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A Thousand Words — Abi Roberts (Part 1 of 3) · UK Column Radio

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We're going to be chastised by the by the truther slash freedom
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slash cult. Oh.
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Well, that's already happened anyway.
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It has yes. This is like a therapy session.
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People that have survived the truther movement on the phone.
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I said Terry's dead is. And then I laughed that, you
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know, rabbit holes are underground.
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You know, they're, they're, they're, they're the opposite
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way to spirituality, which is that way.
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This I find despicable. I and that woman behind me was
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crying so I just without sounding like I'm, I'm not
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Mother Teresa. Thank God, because she's right.
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thoughts that are evoked not just by 1000 words, but also The
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Righteous Brothers works as well.
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They're so provocative and evocative.
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I'm sure you can pick up the buzz on the on the sound here
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this evening. It's a really electric
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atmosphere. It's absolutely fantastic.
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Our theme tune. Red, white and blue, The worst
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of the fortunate son. It ain't me, it ain't me.
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I ain't no sound of the sun. It ain't me.
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It ain't me. I I'm not fortunate one, yeah,
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et cetera. To cut to some to Vietnam, some
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helicopter noises. God, I just realized how
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talented Phil Collins is singing and playing drums.
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I tried to join in and I completely lost.
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You were like. Lost.
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Gee, it is wizard, isn't it? When you're.
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Yeah, when you're trying to when you're keeping with the.
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Lost the ball. I know right as well as I know
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you've got an amazing voice that's.
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How do you sing? I Do you play an instrument?
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As well. No, not really.
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It's as much for my father's chagrah because of your guitar.
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It's weird. Well those things were just that
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just became the the instrument. That's wanky, doesn't it?
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But it did it did. It's just like AI feel like I'm
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I am kind of playing it weirdly. Yeah, yeah, of course.
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It is an instrument. Are we running, by the way?
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Yes. So you don't play an instrument,
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but you sing wonderfully. Have we start?
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That's the intro. I could feel the shift.
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It was like, so you don't play you, you don't play an
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instrument, but you do sing in a in a, in a wonderfully resonant
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way. Oh, are we filming by chance?
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Yes, I my father was a guitarist and played plays piano quite
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well and. And new Paul McCartney.
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And new Paul McCartney. Doesn't think he's dead.
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Doesn't think he's dead no, it's very much alive, even though he
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does have a face that looks like wax just kind of melting off,
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you know, he. Looks better since he he went
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grey, let himself. Go yeah, exactly.
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It's very strange when people do that.
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It makes men look when they dye their hair like yeah.
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Or what was it? Is it Halloween?
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Who's the Who's the character in Halloween?
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I don't watch horror movies. No, no, I've never watched a
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horror movie. I.
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Like he lost on you. Basically he's just got a white
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face the the body. This kind of monster put white
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face but very dark hair and that's what I always think.
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There's a Dracula kind of Dracula look.
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No, it's completely not like that at all.
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Horror. I'm just thinking horror movie.
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Such a Dracula in it. He wears we we've gone down a
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quite a normie route, although I don't like the word normie.
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What we have already well in this conversation.
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About Hollywood movies. Or is it Hollywood?
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We're going to be chastised by the by the truther slash freedom
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slash cult. Oh well, that's already
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happened. Anyway, it has, yes.
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Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. No, it's your brush strokes.
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They're going to get more feverish, That's where.
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Oh God, Yep. So my dad knew The Beatles
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because he was a session guitarist.
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Oh, he actually knew The Beatles, not just Paul
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McCartney. So he was working in the 60s?
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He was just stalk Paul McCartney and like, oh, Chris, it's you
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again outside my. But he knew more than one, so
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that's impressive. Yeah, knew the knew all of them,
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and all of them worked for the Melody Maker.
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He knew all The Beatles, including the the the the fake
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one. Isn't it the guy from the Bonsai
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Dog Doo Dah band that's he's meant to be?
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He's meant to be the. McCartney, isn't he?
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He's meant to be McCartney. Yeah.
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But you know, great songs always say it's kind of like weird,
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isn't it? It's when people go, it's like
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sort of saying Mozart probably wasn't the real Mozart wasn't
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real. And then so I'm never going to
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listen to any Mozart again, really.
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That's that's very enlightened of you.
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Yeah, I I don't know if people don't listen to The Beatles
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because of the although some. People have cut it out of their
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lives. That's true.
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They do, don't they? Yeah, yeah.
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And that, that bit I don't that bit I I'm afraid I do not pass
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the purity test. No.
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The truth of purity test well. This is one of the reasons why I
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thought we'd have a good conversation, because I don't
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think I do either. No, because people sort of
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accuse me of in the comments, people say, oh, he's always
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subtly putting down the truth. They're sort of like, so I'm
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like, I'm not at all. I'm just trying.
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To be deep, not even subtle. I'm not.
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Subtle. I'm not subtle.
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I'm not subtle about it. No, I just think discernment is,
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is something to cherish. You know, it's like, and
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everything's up for debate, so. That's that's my it.
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Seems like you're you're you're sort of coming.
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From a similar place, 100%. Everything's up for debate.
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Everything's open as soon as people stop in forming groups.
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I was thinking about this the other day and we'll, we'll get
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back to The Beatles in a minute. You'll find those with me.
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I'm my brain goes Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding to, you know, pinball
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kind of machine. The other day.
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The, the, the, the formation of sort of cults and purity is just
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what the Bolsheviks did. It's what many, you know,
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revolutionary groups, zealot zealotry, zealous groups do
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political groups and they form their they, they start to behave
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like the people that they're opposing.
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So they accuse people of, you know, oh, you're stopping us
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saying things and you're silencing us and you're
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censoring us. And then they do exactly the
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same thing. And thus and I speak about this
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a lot on my podcast Happy Daily, available on South Dak and and
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other good podcast places they've got.
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You've got T-shirts. I'm I'm going to have some merch
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held off for three years and then someone said we really want
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AT shirt with sweet home Abby Bama.
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That's my theme tune. That's my yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I started recording on my on an iPhone 6IN I think it was March
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2022 into my iPhone and literally just went, Oh, what
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would what would a good intro be?
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Sweet home. I went down, down, down, down,
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down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down, down sweet
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home every hour where the skies are so blue.
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Good evening and welcome to. And The thing is, it was like,
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so it's like 1/2. It's not even a full verse, is
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it? It's just chorus.
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It's just like a weird bit of a copper and I should have done, I
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should have done the whole the whole thing.
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You'll have to. You'll have to do it with us.
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We'll learn it. Yes, I banned to learn it.
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I will. Next time we do a festival.
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You can. Love that we'll talk about.
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Yeah, we'll arrange that just. Discussing my gig anyway.
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Could you get my manager? Yeah, get the manager, call him.
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Yeah. So, yeah.
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So that was that was the. I mean, I love, I love that
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song. Sweet Home Alabama.
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Yeah, one of the classics, but I don't that's back to the purity
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thing with this, the truth, whatever the movements are, I, I
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I'm seeing, I'm seeing stuff that I don't really like.
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I'm seeing censorship. I'm seeing sort of, I don't
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know, can't you take the piss out of people without being
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accused of censoring them? I mean, I take the piss.
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I think we should be able to go, that's mad, what are you talking
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about? And then not be accused of
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censoring. Or gatekeeping.
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Or gatekeeping. Fucking hell, if I hear that
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fucking phrase once. And or gatekeeping.
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And it's, you know, I've done that and I've got people, as you
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know, we've got, we've got people in common who we know.
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I don't know if I can name names.
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Yeah. I mean, James Delingpole, who,
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you know, got, I got to know him pretty well back in sort of 20.
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I didn't know him at all. I knew him because of
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Watermelons, his great book about the environmentalist scam.
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And yeah, I, I, I just, I, I did.
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His broadcast must have been end of last year and it just got
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very, I wasn't going to talk about this, but I just think
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it's important that that I, I sort of I, I, well, you're
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talking about it now. Tough shit, but I just don't
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like that kind of thing. Well, you know, so I just think
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just say it. Just be, you know, be frank.
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About it if if this isn't the time to be everything cards on
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the table. I don't know what it is.
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Especially, especially especially anyone who's involved
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in the movement. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, with no excuse. Yeah, exactly.
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I think no, exactly. I think it's important and as
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you rightly said to do with the 2 main prongs are sovereignty
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and God. Those two prongs, I think of
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what attaches us to everything True, that's true.
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True, good and beautiful. And if we start veering off, not
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that you can't veer off, I say to people, fill your boots.
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I don't give a shit if you think the Earth's a rectangle or that,
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you know, The Rolling Stones. I don't know, didn't ever exist.
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Or that's just, I mean, any number of things.
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I don't care, but I'm not, I don't don't make me agree with
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you because that's the behaviour of of the, the the zealot.
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Yeah, and don't, don't, don't dump your emotional shit on me,
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you know? This is like a therapy session,
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people that have survived the truth of the movement.
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Yeah, I, I, so I was, I was on the, so I was on the pod dying
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pod. And it was actually to promote
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We the People. It was to my book, which I, I
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gave you and your wife a copy of just now.
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We the People. That's very lovely.
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Letters from Dystopia with Bob's excellent cartoons in them.
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Letters from people who wrote to me about the lockdowns, about
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vaccines, about the shit show 2020 and just awful.
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We've had to put warnings throughout the book, the
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Samaritans and throughout it just so in case people because
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it's such heavy reading. So I went on the pod, the Dodd
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Downing pod to do this and I think it's really interesting.
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I sent him a copy. I'm not even sure if he's read
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it the the book, which is fair enough.
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You know, people are busy. But then halfway through we got
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talking about because I dared, I dared to question him about the,
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about Manchester Arena bombing and the idea that the little
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girl wasn't real, that she'd been made-up.
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Safie, Safie Roussos had been. Is this the Richard D Hall
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Connor? Yeah, Richard D Hall stuff about
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the let's look at body language and let's look at how people
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react when they've had terrible, you know, appalling things have
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happened to them. And actually on a sidebar, I was
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writing because I'm I've actually just finished a book
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which is going to be released in October.
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It's sort of a memoir in essays. It's kind of like defined
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description. It's kind of like a weird
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hotchpotch of my life. Quotes, philosophy, politics,
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but all it's about. It's only about 80 pages long,
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but in it I was writing it needs.
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To be longer than that doesn't need to be longer.
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Than that I mean exactly. I was like, oh, I'm bored I'm
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I'm bored already. I'm bored myself of it.
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But but I was writing in that now where was I going with this?
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Yeah, I do this on my broadcast. Yeah, I I'm just terrible.
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What? I'm talking about Manchester
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Arena. Oh, I know how people react in
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in tragic circumstances when so I was, it's quite a difficult
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thing I was writing because it was about my own husband's
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death. So when I came home, I found my
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darling husband who was my manager in stand up.
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He was my stand up comedy agent, manager, Booker, everything.
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Most brilliant man Terence Gibbons, Geordie, who I met in
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2009. We were married.
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So he passed away end of 2018. And I, he'd been treated for
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long, I say treated by the cancer business.
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And it is a business as we know. So he'd been treated in inverted
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commas. And then I came home one day and
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he died on our bedroom floor. And the world, as people know,
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watching it stops you, you, you think it hasn't happened.
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What am I seeing? I'm, you know, your brain kind
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of takes it, protects you in some weird way.
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I remember this is just in relation to this ridiculous
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thing about conspiracy theorists, you know, being
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behavioural experts, body language and stuff.
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I rang a friend, must have been a mutual friend, about 10
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minutes later and on the phone I said Terry's dead is.
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And then I laughed. And if anyone had been watching
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that, listen to that, they would have gone or subsequently they
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would have gone. Duper's delight.
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Duper's delight. I'm happy I'm telling you now.
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People that say that have no insight into human behaviour.
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In fact, in a weird way, they're removing themselves from what it
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is to be human. When you laugh, when you know
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the phrase laugh, cry. I tried laughing, I laughed,
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crying, cried, laughing. Both things interchangeable.
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All it is is a release. Oh.
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Yeah, it's a release. Yeah.
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And you can't sometimes you can't control whether it's the
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the sad face or the tea. It's not an emoji.
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You're not sort of being, it's not an automaton.
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And that's what angers me because to me, the truth of this
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whole analysing people's body language, it's going further
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away from God, not closer. It's sort of what making people
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sort of automatons or mistrusting your fellow.
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You can by all means mistrust politicians and, you know,
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doctors who push vaccines and and the media have some
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skepticism and but even they're human.
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Oh, God, have I just said. I've just said a big mouthful
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there. Don't say that.
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You know, don't say that That's shut down.
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Yeah. Yeah, no, I I agree with that.
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Although having said that, I think there, I mean, that's not,
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and you're probably probably not dismissing all body language,
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but it's this kind of pseudo oh, I'm the clever conspiracy
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theorist. No, I'm not.
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Yeah. And I'm not pointing that at
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Richard D Hall because I there's a lot of stuff that he's done I
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like and I haven't, I don't know this there.
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I haven't looked at the Manchester stuff, so.
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And I don't know about the muddle in what you're talking
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about. That stuff is useful.
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No, I think he's probably genuine.
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I don't know. But there is an element, isn't
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there, where people like to be the clever conspiracy theorist
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and they hear one thing and it's what I call and what others have
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called the kind of second matrix kind of mindset where you you,
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you just like to you kind of jump on on the next belief
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system and it kind of bolsters you in the same way that the
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first matrix bolstered you and made made you that didn't
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comfortable. I think didn't I comment on
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that. You know, when you I was on sub
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stack or you said, and I've actually used I did.
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I did quote you. I think I did credit you for
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this thought because you know how sometimes people, you people
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go anyway, I said that like 10 minutes ago.
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I don't know. Yeah, it was a brilliant thing,
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which I did put on say on my podcast about there being you
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leave one matrix and you join a second one.
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So you build your own. It seems to be you build another
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one like that, yeah, don't you think?
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Yeah, I do. I do.
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And maybe that's a natural process, you know, and slowly
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the matrixes or matrices, yeah, get get weaker as you, as you as
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you get. Further along and you go hang
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in. There, I'm on Matrix 42 at the
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moment. I'm almost.
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There like the boosters? I'm on.
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Matrix 47, hang in a minute. I didn't take any other
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vaccines, but I seem to have also found myself similarly
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trapped in a way of thinking. Yeah.
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So that's no, it's a really, really, really excellent point
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that you made. And I just I, I and I think
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about things a lot. I sort of saw that and went, oh,
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let's have a little think about that and what that and what that
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means for people. I mean, I think I've said, I
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said this again, this is a while back, much to the slight
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disappointment of various parts of the the movement that, you
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know, rabbit holes are underground.
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You know, they're they're they're they're the opposite way
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to spirituality, which is that way.
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And also what, you know, standing firm on the ground and
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you're grounding and, you know, all that sort of stuff and
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everything is happening here, isn't it?
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And transcendently, you know, transcendently up up there.
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So when you're down a rabbit hole, you're in the dark, you're
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covered in rabbit shit. You're probably going to meet a
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few moles. And you might get stuck down
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there and never come back. Out get stuck down there and say
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help you're covered in soil. And yeah.
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And it's, I think it's just that thing of being a little bit
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aware of your own sanity, you know, sort of where you're
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where's this going. And also, by all means, duck
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down there and have a little Scrabble around, but maybe don't
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maybe don't live down there. That isn't that I that's just,
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that's my take on things. Yeah, maybe I'm just not as
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robust as some people. No, I think it's, I think it's,
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it's, it's knowing your priorities and people are at
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different places on the journey, aren't they?
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And there's a time where you probably do spend a lot of time
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down rabbit holes, you know, maybe at the start of your
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journey. That's a great, I just read a
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really good CS Lewis quote and I wish I could read it.
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I saved it. But it is basically saying, I
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think it's like a fictional character who's telling people.
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People to how to how easy it is just to, to get absorbed.
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You think you're doing the work and you're, you're criticising
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the, the powers that be and you're, you're, you're
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critiquing society. But a lot of the time it's just
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another way of avoiding looking at your own shit.
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He says it more eloquently than that, obviously.
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It's your own shit. But it's, it's yeah, he's he's
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got, he's got a point. And we're back to the we're back
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to the gourd thing again, say God thing.
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That's that's not a very good way of describing either, but
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it's it's. Like an American bestseller.
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Yeah, the God, the God thing. Hey, man, come to my church and
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I'll charge you. Just give me lots of money and
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you'll suddenly find you're in paradise.
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I, I, I say more probably now because like you, like you
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rightly say, we're all on a different part of our journey
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path, understanding of sort of what's happened.
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Because don't forget, the last five years has been at the shit
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show. I was thinking on the way on the
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train. Holy shit.
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I'm surprised that a lot of us haven't all had nervous
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breakdowns. Yeah, I think if you hadn't had
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one beforehand, you. Certainly, you know, if it's
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coming up. You're praying to have one.
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Yeah, you know, and there's, there's, there's that real 1.
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I think people, you know, yeah, need to understand this whole
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sort of sort of psychotic mass psychosis, what whatever you
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think is behind. I've got my theories about
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what's behind it all. You know, this kind of
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collectivist, if we're thinking in terms of politics, you know,
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there's this idea that we need to control the greatest number
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of people using technology and for the greater good mechanisms,
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which I think CS Lewis might even have referred to either the
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greater good. Was it the greatest tyranny or
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something is for people that that tell you they're going to
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do it for your, they're going to do it for your own good, the
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greater good. So that's kind of what we're
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seeing in political terms. Fabian's were, you know, society
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in the 1840s, they influenced Mao, who in turn then used their
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Long March stuff with the cult, you know, the Cultural
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Revolution. And then you get to so it's
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quite interesting to look at the, the, the, the way the
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elites kind of, you know, want to want to control us.
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And it all comes down to the falls down to one thing.
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They're trying to take get us further away from God and closer
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to. Shit.
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To shit, yeah. To the to the to the to the
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diabolical and the stuff that is not transcendent, so not human
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understanding and holding people's hands and saying good
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morning as somebody passes and good afternoon helping people
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across. The road If you say good morning
23:22
then you're obviously satanic. Exactly you.
23:25
Have to say grand risings, otherwise you're.
23:29
Grand risings, everybody. See, that's another Mick.
23:32
Mick pointed this out, his latest one of his little rants.
23:38
Was it Grand Rising, you fucking thick cunt?
23:41
Or something like that. It's like that sounds like
23:46
Victoria. It does sound like Vic.
23:48
Doesn't. It, but, you know, I, I, I
23:51
think, I think there's a good point he made a really good
23:53
point that if, if we get so obsessed, if we, if we, if we
24:03
hand over our power to the point where we, we think someone can
24:06
literally put a spell on us by saying good morning.
24:09
Yes. You know, then we're we're
24:11
screwed, aren't we really? We're screwed.
24:13
And that's not just the the powers that be.
24:16
No, that's that's us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:19
I good morning. Literally good morning.
24:23
As in, I mean, do we even need to analyse it?
24:26
No. And and even if it did come from
24:27
morning MO MO, you are even if it did, it doesn't mean that
24:32
anymore when you when you say, when you see someone you love
24:34
and or you're sending out happy feelings to someone walking by
24:38
and you go, good morning. Well, we've won because we've
24:40
we've exactly, you know, we've we've reversed it.
24:43
Yeah, we've reversed 1st the spell, so just chill out.
24:47
Chill the fuck out and stop looking.
24:51
It's this crazy paranoia that everything is and actually
24:56
you're right. It's taking away what's behind
25:00
Good morning behind it by essentially using it's weak
25:06
because I've just thought, yeah, you're it's using the same
25:08
tactics that the Marxists use to change language with the woke
25:13
stuff. That's what's happening in the
25:15
in the, in the truth of the movement or whatever, whatever
25:18
you want to call it true. I'm not even sure what.
25:21
Movement. I don't even know.
25:21
What is it I? Don't know I quite like freedom
25:24
movement but. I like freedom, I like freedom
25:26
movement. I like meeting.
25:27
I like, I like the the folk I've met.
25:29
And if I don't feel relaxed with somebody or I can, you know that
25:34
I can't say what I want to say for fear of, and I'm talking
25:38
about any group of people. I know there's something wrong.
25:41
If I feel yeah. Shall I, I don't know.
25:44
Shall I say that you know? Yeah, we we shouldn't be.
25:48
Second guess. Shouldn't be self sensitive in
25:50
that position, should we not? Not especially not within groups
25:53
where people are professing to be searching for truth.
25:57
Searching for, yeah, exactly. Truth Yeah, and it would be
26:01
good, you know to if these these people where they are talk about
26:06
God more sovereignty, more basic principles, the principles of I
26:12
think as well, there's a lot of I was I tweeted something
26:15
earlier on. I'm not a big Twitter.
26:17
If I was knocked off, I was thrown off Twitter twice in the
26:21
in the last five years because in the previous, you know,
26:25
before Musk. Oh, OK.
26:27
Yeah, so I had a big, very big following and then said I just
26:31
kept, I just put tweeted every day, stop the jabs, stop and
26:35
then the next day stop the jabs, the next day stop the jabs and
26:38
it's and then and. Then he had such a big
26:40
following, really gripping. Really gripping stuff.
26:43
Funny stuff. Hilarious.
26:45
Stuff. What the Hell's going on?
26:47
But it was like this kind of like obsession, like Tourette's.
26:51
There was a few. Fucking Stop the fucking jab.
26:53
Oh yeah, it was definitely a few.
26:55
And then and then I varied it with stop the jab, you cunts.
26:58
You know all that I'm. With you now I can understand
27:01
why the following was. It was very, it was great
27:03
writing. It was, it was literary genius
27:06
every day. And then I just got, and I just
27:08
got a note one day. And if I just disappeared, you
27:11
get a little note saying we've we've suspended your account,
27:16
you know, you've been, you know, basically that's it.
27:19
So that was an interesting experience.
27:23
It's it affects you a little bit, doesn't it?
27:25
It's hard to sort of get your head round to because you feel,
27:28
I don't know about you, but when things like that happened to me
27:31
as a time arrived as well with Twitter and it sort of took me
27:36
back to being a kid and just like, oh, that's not fair.
27:39
No, I don't. Think he's?
27:42
The same name. Yeah.
27:43
Just really, yeah. Oh, no, I'm going to have to sit
27:45
next to Sarah Trayfoot. Sarah Trayfoot was the name of
27:49
one of the and I'd just remember that name.
27:51
It was very nice, actually. Sarah Trayfoot?
27:54
Yeah, listening to her if. She's listening.
27:57
If you're listening, sometimes wonder whether people at school
28:01
think like, you know, how many people are are sort of aligned
28:04
in the in the basics. You know, I anyway, but people
28:08
have messaged me. I've had that the the wife or
28:12
ex-wife of a quite a big comedy promoter messaged me and said,
28:17
Oh, Abby, thank God you're saying this stuff because this
28:21
is a while back. But it's difficult though.
28:24
It's really difficult because you sort of, you've got your own
28:27
some of feel, I don't know if you feel this, Jake, but I think
28:30
also being on my own as I do, some of feel a little bit like
28:33
I'm this, you know, the, the, the waters are rising a bit, you
28:39
know, with what to cope with. So then I have to just sort of
28:43
go right. I'm off social with me.
28:45
I'm just shutting everything out for my own sanity.
28:49
Well, yeah, I can imagine that you've got a profile.
28:54
You're a bit more in the public eye.
28:55
I can imagine that you would need to do that.
28:57
I don't need to do that. I just like just ignore it all.
29:01
It's just like ignore it all. But I know what you mean.
29:05
I don't really, it doesn't. I don't get too drawn into
29:09
stuff. But I can imagine if you, you
29:11
know, you've got a, it's your career.
29:13
You know it's your life, your career isn't.
29:14
It so it's yeah, it's weird because I was thinking on the
29:17
way on the train, which is oh that bloody awful dystopian
29:20
train met you know the thing that goes see it say it's sorted
29:23
fuck off see it fucking says so I had to calm down a bit didn't
29:27
know when I arrived as. Well, you did, yeah.
29:28
You needed to detox the. Detox and you gave me some
29:31
ashwanga. I think you imagine that ash
29:38
wanker and something was it called again Ash wander?
29:42
That's it. Sounds too much like Ash Wanker.
29:44
Ash Wanker. It's not it.
29:46
Wasn't it's delicious? Whatever it was, it was great
29:49
Ash Wander. What was it?
29:51
Oh, Ashwagander. I love that the the comedy voice
29:55
off. That's my team manager.
29:57
Off stage Ashwagander, for heaven's sake.
30:00
Abbey yes, it was very, it was very common because you know,
30:04
you come, I come from London. I was like this.
30:06
Although I had a very nice chat with a cab driver who said he
30:11
was, we chatted about God and he said, he said, well, I am a
30:13
Muslim, but I don't, I don't ever go to the mosque.
30:15
So I thought that's fair enough. Just to what's the word When
30:22
people have preconceptions about things?
30:25
That's very important, isn't it, too?
30:27
When you speak to people, listen to what they're telling you as
30:30
well. Don't assume.
30:31
Very important. Things.
30:33
Yeah, now, yeah, because I've I've found I find that with say
30:37
when I've researched some stuff and I'm I'm I'm I'm comparing
30:43
information and one guy might be I might have so little in common
30:48
with. He might be jabbed up.
30:50
He might believe in, in, in everything that I had a
30:53
question, but he might be speaking sense.
30:57
He might be talking sense about this issue, about this issue.
31:00
And I have to listen to that and go, right, I'm going to put that
31:04
aside. I'm not going to go, oh, you're
31:05
a. Yeah, you're.
31:06
A complete twat, you're right. So I'm going to, I'm going to
31:09
discount. You discount.
31:11
You, even though you're a fellow human being and what the other
31:14
thing you're saying is going to be helpful in the, in the long
31:19
term, the bigger picture. And I'm guilty of it.
31:23
Honestly, Jake, I've been terrible in my previous Twitter
31:26
incarnation saying, oh, you fucking wankers.
31:29
Oh, you took the jab, you know, And then at one point, I think
31:35
it was 2022, I just, I went to some event and I think it was
31:39
with the vaccine injured and people were laughing at of the
31:45
people who'd been injured from people from our.
31:49
And. I and that woman behind me was
31:53
crying so I just without sounding like I'm, I'm not
31:55
Mother Teresa, thank God, because she isn't right, But I
31:59
sorry everyone to to, to to yeah, anyone who thought she was
32:03
nice, but I, I sort of turned around and and, you know, sort
32:06
of held her hat. It was just the, the humane
32:09
thing to do, but it was then I thought, oh, this is
32:12
interesting. We're we're we're we're not
32:15
remembering there but for the grace of God go us who saw it
32:21
thought that doesn't sound that doesn't sound right.
32:25
Not everyone did, not everyone had the, maybe the luxury or the
32:30
maybe they had 95 jobs working in hospitals, driving cabs,
32:35
parents abroad, all this stuff, you know, and, and the, the
32:38
propaganda got seeped in, which was it was designed to do.
32:42
But I certainly don't. That was a bit of a that was a
32:46
turning point for me. Yeah, right.
32:48
So there was a turning point. So that probably in a way is
32:51
quite a big turning point just philosophically for your whole
32:54
life, really, isn't it? It's quite a step to go from
32:56
that. So they're the problem.
32:58
Anger. Externalisation.
33:00
Externalisation. Detachment, dehumanisation.
33:03
Exactly. And, and especially about
33:05
because, yeah, it was anger. It was the anger that was doing.
33:08
It was sort of making me go, oh, you've so and, and and I suppose
33:12
also that thing, that human, very human thing of going Nah,
33:15
Nah, Nah, Nah, Nah. I didn't have them.
33:18
So therefore I must have pure blood.
33:21
I must be actually, I'm going to rise myself up on a cloud and
33:25
just be surrounded by and it's absolute horseshit.
33:28
But the amount of people who've got high on their own supply is
33:33
fucking unreal. And that he'd do as my husband
33:37
Terry to say, check yourself before you wreck yourself.
33:42
Still say that to hear him. So that's to this to this day.
33:44
And he's right. You know, at some point you're
33:47
gonna, it's gonna be you looking in the mirror going, what's
33:50
that? Yeah.
33:52
What's that? Wasn't that decent thing decent?
33:57
And like I said, I do, I do, you know, reserve much of my anger
34:03
for medics, you know, for, for the people that just went here,
34:07
you know, have them and, and politicians and much of and, and
34:12
the media, because they were sort of part of the propaganda
34:15
exercise. The other other people, you
34:19
know, the, the, the decent, the decent folk, I just think could
34:25
have been any, could have been any of us, you know.
34:28
But that line that you've just drawn is a hard one to
34:31
determine, isn't it? That line, where does it become?
34:34
So what point do people become complicit in a kind of conscious
34:39
way? And I have to say for me in a
34:43
way, I'm not sure that ever gets to that point, because I, I
34:47
think I used to listen to a guy called Patrick Tinpone.
34:50
And his sort of thing that he used to say was everyone's doing
34:53
the best they can. And it's a strange 1 to get your
34:55
head round. And it's hard when you when you
34:57
feel like, you know, there's people out there doing bad
35:01
stuff. Doing, yeah, doing terrible
35:03
things. But in a way, he's kind of
35:06
right. Everyone is doing the best they
35:07
can and it goes right to, I think you could argue it almost
35:11
goes to even the psychopath who's doing whatever.
35:14
They're doing the worst crime. They're doing the best they can,
35:18
otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.
35:19
I mean, I'm not trying to excuse, you know, this is where
35:23
I get accused of. Are you making excuses?
35:25
No, this is what this is. What good in the old days would
35:29
be called good rational thinking.
35:31
I mean, difficult ideas, grappling with them, with these
35:36
moral, ethical ideas. It wasn't as I mean, I think,
35:39
yeah, the most interesting people look at these things.
35:42
I mean, Solzhenitsyn said. You know that the the human
35:45
heart, good and bad, run through the human heart in sort of it's,
35:50
you know, through each. Human heart.
35:52
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's, it's for us to it.
35:56
It's, I suppose everyone you know, we all have choices we
35:59
make. We do.
36:00
Yeah, we do have. Choices.
36:01
Yeah, and on every and any given day.
36:03
Have consequences. And exactly, choices have
36:05
consequences. And obviously there's going to
36:09
be people on the psychopathic spectrum who's who, who, who,
36:15
who don't have a conscience the way we think of it.
36:19
So I mean, something like Ted Bundy, I think would, would,
36:23
would, would, would go for into that category where I think he
36:26
almost sort of didn't even really understand because like,
36:31
you've murdered all these people, these all these women,
36:33
raped and mutilated them. So, you know, and I'm now going
36:37
to represent myself in court because he was such a, you know,
36:41
so a narcissistic, psychopathic and obviously, but that's very,
36:46
very, we're all on the spectrum. He was right on the other end.
36:50
And I find this stuff fascinating how we're all, we're
36:52
all kind of not, we're all a mixture of everything, you know,
36:57
So nobody knows, you know, however far you dig for the
37:02
truth, you know, about various things that have happened in the
37:06
world. Guess what?
37:07
You you're never, you're never going to find it because that
37:12
it's been designed that way, you know, for, for.
37:14
So that's. You're not going to find it
37:16
intellectually. No, it's like you're not going
37:17
to find it intellectually and go, oh, there you go.
37:19
You see, I can lay, I can lay it all out in, in a, in a sort of
37:23
like an equation. So looking outwards the the
37:26
transcendent Christ, sitting in a church, being quiet like I did
37:31
on the way here in Victoria in Westminster Cathedral, will that
37:36
gives you the sustenance you need.
37:39
That's it. That's, that's, that's.
37:42
I think that's where it's at. Yeah.
37:44
Well, we'll, we'll talk about, we'll talk about that in a
37:46
second. Yeah.
37:47
I mean the just quickly going back to judgement.
37:51
Yeah, yeah. We're drawn to this idea of of
37:54
trying to understand the world and make judgement.
37:56
And I don't think making judgements is a bad thing, but
37:58
when we I've been listening to a lot of Ndes near death
38:05
experience, or rather Vicky's been listening and I listen to
38:07
snippets. But one thing that one thing
38:09
that is is reoccurring is this idea that in the in the life
38:18
review, you're not whatever you've done, there isn't a, a
38:25
sword of Damocles. You know, there isn't a, a
38:28
you're not punished. You're you're suffering is the
38:33
punishment You're reliving the experience from the other
38:38
person's perspective with an open heart.
38:40
Yes, is the punishment. It's not punishment, but it's.
38:44
Yes, yes. It's the consequence, yeah, And
38:47
it's a natural consequence where we have to.
38:50
And I can't help but try, you know, I feel I have to, that
38:55
makes so much sense to me that I have to try and put that into
38:59
practice in my normal life. So, you know, in a sense someone
39:05
might do something really bad, but not not to excuse the action
39:10
and not to try and somehow. Just heard this.
39:18
When you're very profound. Bloody hell, what's going on in
39:22
there? Yeah, you know, we have to,
39:28
there has to be some form of societal judgement.
39:34
So if someone commits a crime, there has to be a consequence,
39:37
whether that's they go to prison and they're ostracised from
39:40
society. I mean, that's the difference,
39:42
isn't it with modern society because we haven't really got a
39:46
close knit cultures that we, you know, or, or villages.
39:49
We're not in villages. Someone can just waltz in,
39:51
commit a crime and then waltz out again.
39:54
Whereas you couldn't do that. We had a natural inbuilt
39:57
consequence. You do something wrong to the to
40:01
the village. You'd be in the you're.
40:02
Stuffed. You're stuffed, don't you?
40:04
Because you've got nowhere else to go.
40:05
It's very instant karma. And didn't they put the people
40:08
in stocks and they just throw like wooden stocks in the yeah,
40:13
yeah, in the centre of the village?
40:15
Yeah, yeah. But then they wouldn't be
40:17
trusted, so they couldn't. Their agency in life would be
40:20
limited until they proved otherwise.
40:23
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas we're in a bit of a
40:24
strange situation at the moment, are we?
40:26
Where? Where?
40:27
Nobody. Consequences are all external.
40:29
Government's huge yeah, everything that follows from
40:33
that. Yeah, there's no sort of
40:34
localisation of, of anything. It's all kind of it's, it's,
40:39
it's gone from tiny, tiny God family, community, you know,
40:45
community. Oh, you know, there's a list of
40:47
things and it's switched, doesn't it?
40:49
So the government was right at the bottom, the state was at the
40:52
bottom, and now the state at the tops of.
40:54
This is weird. Yeah, The the.
40:56
And, and generally people don't and it's gone so far down that
41:00
road that most people don't aren't even capable of stepping
41:02
back and going, oh, that's a little bit topsy turn.
41:04
Yes. That's just the way it is now.
41:07
So therefore we have to have all these crazy legislation and
41:10
these crazy rules and. Laws, yes, and I was, I was just
41:15
thinking then I think some of my it's going to be interesting
41:19
actually when people watch this back.
41:21
No, no, no one's watching it. Exactly.
41:24
The cameras aren't running. They're running, you can say
41:26
what the fuck you want. Oh my God, how?
41:34
Yeah, people might be a bit surprised to hear this centres
41:36
or or possibly disappointed which is that I think.
41:40
Possibly disapproving. Disapproving.
41:42
Disappointed. All the.
41:44
Dare you say it? Which is fine.
41:46
I'm OK. The, the, that a lot of my anger
41:51
towards including I was very angry with Andrew Bridgen
41:58
because not, not because he, he, he, you know, eventually went,
42:04
Oh my God, what's that, You know, with the vaccines and the,
42:08
but because, because he voted for the three lockdowns.
42:14
So it's on record. He voted for them and voted for
42:18
compulsory injections for care home workers.
42:21
And then, yeah. And then also by the way, I'm
42:23
saying this. No, but there's, there's,
42:24
there's kind of a I'm saying this.
42:26
Oh, I know, I know. There's AI.
42:28
Know not to not to get him in the stock.
42:30
I know that. I just didn't realise that to
42:33
explain to people. Because his journey has been a
42:36
huge one. It's been, it's been a big one.
42:39
And there were people before him who were raising the alarm about
42:44
the vaccines. But but sort of, but they
42:46
weren't as good at sort of putting themselves forward.
42:52
And this is where I come to the interesting part, which is that
42:56
this So I've, I've said to Andrew, I've said not face to
43:00
face, but I've said in messages, if you face the music, sort of
43:07
face the, the, you know, the, the public or whoever had been
43:10
affected in lockdowns. And some people whose letters
43:13
are in we the people, a lady whose son took his own life
43:19
during one of the lockdowns. So feels very, very angry about
43:22
it. If people like Andrew Bridgen
43:26
and there are others said sorry, said sorry, but also sort of
43:32
almost more than that. May God forgive me in front of
43:37
people my that that would that in a way that would make that
43:44
would make my my sort of my anger sort of subside more
43:50
because it's like with it's like with the truth and
43:53
reconciliation thing in South Africa.
43:55
You know, when Desmond Tutu, because I was there earlier this
44:00
year in South Africa, fascinating looking at some of
44:04
the parallels, when the whole apartheid thing fell apart and
44:10
these awful truths came out about how Winnie Mandela, Nelson
44:15
Mandela's wife, had essentially murdered people who weren't.
44:21
This is an interesting we're back to the truth that we're
44:23
back to the Puritan disciple again.
44:26
She had people murdered who hadn't been quite on message
44:32
enough with with the new regime. You know, with the there was
44:38
there was there was sort of the rebellion Cos apartheid.
44:42
And there's a moving, honestly, I was in tears because Desmond
44:47
Tutu sits in facing Winnie Mandela and says please.
44:55
And he's got this very he's got a slight list.
44:58
Please, Winnie. We've been friends for how many
45:04
years? In this very calm voice, unlike
45:08
me, who's like Winnie. It's a good impression.
45:11
Do you like it? He's very, but he's very.
45:14
He says, please, Winnie, for your own sake, say sorry and,
45:24
and accept the part you played in what happened.
45:30
And she you could see her pride. She's there kind of going, you
45:33
know, and then dressed in this finery that no normal black
45:37
South African could afford, by the way, it's one of them.
45:40
And she said, OK, I, I admit, you know, I was there.
45:45
It was a bit about a particular murder of this young kid who'd
45:48
just been bundled into a car in one of the townships.
45:51
She said, I, I confess, I I admit I'm and she's virtually
45:58
I'm sorry. I was kind of under her, but you
46:00
could, it was so difficult for, and he just went and it was.
46:09
And I think that's, I can't make people do that.
46:15
I can't, Nobody can. It's with, it's, it's on, it's
46:18
with people's consciences. But I'm not going to stay angry
46:21
at individuals forever. And to be honest, I, I kind of
46:25
bought this up because in a way I want to forgive Andrew
46:29
Bridgen. I want to, I, you know, if I was
46:35
a politician, maybe, who knows, maybe I'd have done the same
46:38
thing. I don't know because I'm it's a
46:40
hypothetical question. I know Doctor Malik expressed
46:46
similar sentiment to about. Is it Malhotra?
46:50
Yes, Malhotra, he was another one that I've had.
46:54
Yes, I've had a similar journey with and I put in wrote in my
47:00
book. It's interesting because this
47:02
book that's like memoir, sort of essays and memoirs I've put
47:05
there's quite a few things I've put where I'm starting to
47:09
realise a little little path that I'm on, but other people
47:13
may not join me on, but I have to be on which is the the, the
47:18
path to forgiveness, wanting redemption for people and
47:24
because I'm a Christian and to do otherwise would be.
47:28
A bit. Hypocritical, very hypocritical
47:30
and and terrible. Imagine if I was just like he
47:32
was. Quite big on that, wasn't he?
47:34
Yeah. But he was quite big on that,
47:36
you know, Christ. So, so, so I, so there's,
47:39
there's, it's a, you know, that's, I think that's, that's
47:44
part of who I am is that there's thankfully I do at various
47:48
stages and I recognise it have to sit down with my own anger
47:54
and my own prejudices and disappointments.
48:01
And which is only natural because as I say on my podcast,
48:05
there's nothing new under the sun.
48:07
All, all regimes, you know, Stalinism, you know, the
48:10
Bolsheviks, the after revolution, you know, all these
48:12
things, Cambodia, South Africa, there would have been groups of
48:17
people exactly like we are who are going through the same
48:20
thing. You can think this.
48:22
No, you can't think this. So you can't do this.
48:25
But I think I'm right in saying that if at the heart, the heart
48:29
of them, the Sozhenitsins and, and, and various other thinkers,
48:39
if, if you have God in the, you know, the forefront of your
48:44
mind, it, that will ease your journey.
48:50
That's, that's the best I can describe it, you know, But it
48:52
is, it's, it's really hard because sometimes people just
48:54
want me to go if I can, all this, which is normal, because
49:02
isn't that what people want? People want justice.
49:05
They want justice. They do.
49:06
Yeah, they do. Yeah, they want it now.
49:09
And The thing is, will it ever come?
49:14
Probably not. Not in the way that we think it
49:19
will. Yeah, I agree.
49:22
Probably not, no. So do we spend our time railing
49:29
against it, or do we build? I was going to say build back
49:32
Better. Can you imagine?
49:34
That's catchy. You should.
49:35
Catchy isn't. It anyway look testing, testing
49:38
into my little WEWEF microphone here, my little badge Yeah.
49:44
Or do we do we create again, something I was speaking about
49:50
on my pod in Czechoslovakia during the communist, you know,
49:54
during the, they were aligned with the Soviets, you know, from
49:58
the 70s and through 89 when it's when it communism fell and
50:06
Vaslav Havel, you know, all these group of these group of
50:08
thinkers, writers, poets, artists basically got together
50:15
and said, and this was by the way, against a terrible regime
50:19
that's worse than ours is at the moment.
50:21
Well, only just, you know, starboard and arresting people
50:23
and all that. And they, they got together and
50:25
they said, we, we're going to form a charter called Charter 77
50:31
and which is named after the year it was created.
50:35
And it was basically, these are the principles, the first
50:39
principles. We, we are, we want to, to show
50:44
the government, this is how we want to live.
50:47
These are our sovereign rights. This is how we want to live our
50:54
lives to do, you know, freedom of, you know, religion, et
50:58
cetera, et cetera, education. And they, they just handed out
51:03
the pamphlets everywhere. And those people were when the
51:07
government got wind of it, when the state, there were arrests,
51:12
brutal, you know, sort of beatings, I mean, horrible
51:15
stuff. But but it's funny because when
51:18
people say who put ABS, you know, the ABS, the people in the
51:21
UK, you know, the, the various arrests that have happened.
51:24
Well, it's probably just all made-up and nobody, nobody's
51:28
really, I'm like, are you, are you joking?
51:31
This is how it starts. Starmer isn't necessarily like
51:36
the Soviets. You know, he's not like the
51:38
maybe the Czech regime in the world, but it doesn't mean that
51:43
given more opportunity, he couldn't be like that because
51:48
that's a whole. Are you, are you talking about
51:49
the the theories that a lot of these things are staged to to
51:53
make people afraid? Yeah, yeah.
51:56
And I would say, well, it didn't work with Vashlar in Vashlarov's
52:00
case in Czechoslovakia or Solzhenitsyn's case.
52:03
In fact, if anything, the Gulag Archipelago, archipelago,
52:06
archipelago archipelago love that was him going essentially
52:15
to the Soviet to the to the regime.
52:17
So free speech to me, as has has grown, it hasn't been diminished
52:26
by arrests or by certainly not in in my case, I, I speak as you
52:33
know, I speak as I, as I find. So this idea that people have
52:36
been frightened have been cowed in a strange way, saying
52:41
everything's staged and not real is doing the job of the enemy.
52:46
Right, OK. Actually.
52:47
I see what you mean. Yeah, Yeah.
52:51
So, so you you think that the actual premise of that kind of
52:54
the logic of that isn't isn't even valid really, No.
52:58
Not really. Not saying that there aren't,
52:59
obviously there are. There are all sorts of false
53:01
flags as we know, all sorts of things which aren't necessarily
53:05
as their, as their portrait, which is kind of we all, we, we
53:08
all, we can all agree on. But it's these, we'll put it
53:12
this way. I mean, when I, I was arrested,
53:15
we'll talk about my bloody crikey.
53:16
I was arrested in June 2023. June the what was it 27th?
53:24
Yeah, 2020. So it was outside the COVID
53:26
inquiry in London, in, in Paddington and I'd gone down to
53:30
meet. It was early.
53:33
It was, I think it was the first day or second day, and Matt
53:36
Hancock was inside giving his evidence, his version of events
53:42
as if they're believable. And then so there was some
53:45
yellow boards down there. So Francis O'Neill and various,
53:48
you know, various people. Only a few of us.
53:50
It wasn't many, but I was like, I'm going to go down and show my
53:54
support for the guys because they were down there.
53:57
These wonderful yellow boards have been doing so much over the
54:00
years and went down there and there were pressed there and
54:04
everything and the mist, I've got to be honest, did descend
54:06
Jake. I did.
54:07
There were a few fucks and. Yeah, when you faced, that's the
54:12
test. Isn't it when you're exactly?
54:14
It's all right. You can sit and just objectively
54:17
look at a situation and go, oh, I'm, I'm calm.
54:20
I forgive you. I forgive you, but when you're
54:23
when you see a line of press who've all from their various
54:27
papers pushed the harmful vaccines into children's arms
54:31
and pregnant women, you're just like.
54:34
So I, I, I yeah, I the rib mist descended and a man came out and
54:39
said can you stop swearing? Because I almost, I said, oh,
54:43
fucking hell. Nuremberg trial.
54:45
You know, we need a Nuremberg. It's violated the Nuremberg code
54:49
that you understand. And all these guys just
54:51
clicking, clicking away because Matt Hancock was inside.
54:53
She wasn't for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:57
So then the police turn up or, or they're lurking and and and
55:01
this, this copper goes. If you swear again, if you swear
55:05
again, we'll go have to do my police voice if you.
55:08
Swear, I thought you'd just like a little bit strange you're
55:13
having a go. At me, I'm I'm just going to
55:18
throw the canvas through the window.
55:20
If you swear again, we're going to we're going to arrest you
55:29
because so I said to the desk Sergeant and the the throng of
55:33
the few copies up there. I said I'm really, really
55:37
pleased that Hope and police station knows what a woman is.
55:41
OK, we've got that in there. I've got that in.
55:45
I know I was flirting slightly, maybe with a double arrest.
55:49
So I choose the books and it's literally this nice copper.
55:52
This copper's going with the cell door like that.
55:58
He doesn't want to close it. It's.
56:00
Like when you say goodnight to your child.
56:02
So I'll leave the light on. Still leave the light on.
56:06
Have you got one of those windows that you bring down like
56:08
that? The funniest bit was and I was
56:10
so tired I had to stop myself from laughing out loud in the
56:15
interview. I can imagine, Yeah, you get, Oh
56:17
my God, slightly giddy. Don't you punch drunk?
56:20
I really was. I mean, I'd been I hadn't slept,
56:23
I'd been singing, I'd been competing with Nigerians in the
56:27
in the the smell of shit. It was just everything was just
56:30
like swirling, fearing that there may be a fire.
56:34
The thing that made me laugh, well, nearly laugh and I had to
56:37
just go close. You know when you do see this
56:39
close it like that to look away was when they read out what I'd
56:44
my swearing in a really serious way.
56:49
So you've said this, You king, help.
56:55
It won't be long before people say, really?
56:59
Oh, you're listening to Pink Floyd And I thought they were
57:02
satanic. Oh, OK.