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Pole Vault Is Harder Than A Marathon?!?! Blind Ranking Athletics Events · Total Barnage

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  SPEAKER_01: Hello guys and welcome back to Tacital Vonage with me, Charlotte, and my co-host.
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  SPEAKER_01: Charlie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Gosh, it's winning.
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  SPEAKER_01: And today we are going to be blind ranking running events, track events, athletics events, um from one to ten on the scale of difficulty.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: I I said that in a very strange way.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, my mind's L Tower at the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: So just to just to clear outline.
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  SPEAKER_03: I am blind ranking them, right?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I don't know what they are.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: I have a list.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know what they are, that would be cheating.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: By difficulty.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's running events, but also maybe like outside of athletics events as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we have ten events written down in my Google Docs right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Charlie is going to blind rank them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're going to start off with number one, Charles.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: How to kick off.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have the pole vault.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, by difficulty.
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  SPEAKER_03: Difficulty.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean that's r uh.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's really up there.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's weird because there's difficulty like in track in track and field events and running events and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's this, this is what we find with this list, there's gonna be different kinds of difficulty.
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  SPEAKER_03: Technical difficulty, pole vault is like up there, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: In terms of then like, you know, training for it, it's very skillful, but I don't know, like I know that Armand Deplantis, best pole vaulter in the world, trains like a sprinter.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he trains, you know, pretty, pretty hard for it.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I'm thinking like the sessions and the training that they do, is it really hard or is it just you know technically difficult?
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  SPEAKER_03: So but I think all in all, in terms of replicating it, if you were to go from if I were to pick it as a career, like a discipline.
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  SPEAKER_01: We could do a technical difficulty and then a fatigue difficulty and then make an average.
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  SPEAKER_03: We could do.
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  SPEAKER_01: Very complex.
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  SPEAKER_03: I w I'll factor it in.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: I would say pole vault for me, I would put as um three.
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  SPEAKER_03: I would say.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'd say quite high, but there are there are a couple in my mind that would be a lot more difficult than pole vault in terms of like overall toughness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've put that down.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Three.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number two, we have uh 1,500 metres, 1500.
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  SPEAKER_03: 1500 metres.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um 1500 metres is a tough event.
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  SPEAKER_03: 1500 metres is a tough event.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think the I mean it's kind of one of the most elite events at the moment in Brits.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: The milers, the milers are kind of going crazy because they've realized with strength and conditioning, and then also that they can run a hell of a lot of mileage and then be a really good miler, is they end up being super strong.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um but I there's not really much about it, it's gonna sound a bit weird, like there's there's not much about it that's insanely difficult.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like, especially like the distance events, so probably if there are other distance events on here, it's like you don't need to have too much as much ability.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like the longer the distance events are, the less like ability that you need, and it's more about like can your body withstand the training?
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  SPEAKER_03: Are you disciplined?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that sort of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: How do you pace yourself within that race with other competitors using different plans?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that but that's but that's it as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like when you get to racing, like going back to pole vault, pole vault is a um the mental challenge of pole vault is really tough because you keep going up and it's a failure discipline.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you're always gonna go out on either a world record or a failure.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's there's no in between.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, or you or you've won outright.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, you either win outright or everything else you've you've failed for the last one.
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  SPEAKER_03: So mentally, you can get really in your head with those like high jump pole vault, those kind of events.
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  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um the 1500 is different because you don't really know what's gonna happen because you've got so many people in the race.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unpredictable variables, lots of tactics.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's also pretty, it's it's really tough.
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  SPEAKER_03: You've got to stay on it, but you don't want to overcook it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like in a 1500, the the time when it the like time of the race that it really drops off is 800 metres to the bell lap.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that 300 metres from two laps to two laps done to one lap to go, and you can easily switch off.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I say tactically it's pretty, it's pretty up there.
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  SPEAKER_03: But I would say a 1500 metres, I would put at five.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: I think there's a few disciplines that are you know more difficult than it, but there aren't there aren't too many.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: There are there were there are a few are a few that are easier.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about that?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about that?
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: Are you gonna give me any clues?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like as in like, you know, there's a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there could be some on here that might be harder.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's it.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: What you gonna do?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's uh blind ranking.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you hit me with last time.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, true.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Number three, we have Steeplechase.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sam Crick Special.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sam Crick Special.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was actually watching a race with him the other night of his uh under 17's Kent Champs final, Steeplechase, when he's got the fastest time in the UK.
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  SPEAKER_03: Legend.
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  SPEAKER_03: He broke the national standard for English schools by nine seconds.
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  SPEAKER_03: What a legend.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he ran the whole race on his own.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: There was no one at the Julie Rose Stadium.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: See, he was literally just pace, just literally just imagining that there was an army of orcs running after him, I guess.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'll have to ask him.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you've got to fuel it, yeah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: But he's yeah, he's there.
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  SPEAKER_03: To be fair, he had a clean sight of every single barrier.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, I didn't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: He'll be either that or uh he's back listening to the episodes.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Is he?
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, he is.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: What were you gonna say?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: Either that or he got a text saying her parents went home.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Old young 16.
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  SPEAKER_01: Run by run.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's what he did in four four minutes and twenty three seconds.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just drawing as he's running.
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  SPEAKER_03: Go on, Sam, go on, Sam.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it was when Mark Hookway was surprised.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's great.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's like, oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_03: It heavens.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Steeplechase.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: Ah, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_03: People say the steeplechase is the poor man's like distance event.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you're not, it's it's a thing like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's a bit of a rogue event.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's like one of those where it's like, if you're not good enough for a flat track event, a 1500 or a 5k, you do the 3,000 steeplechase.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, chuck a chuck a couple of big obstacles in the way and uh.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it doesn't mean it's it doesn't mean it's not difficult.
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  SPEAKER_03: No.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's like you then have that factor in it.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty gutten, actually.
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  SPEAKER_03: One of my one of my mates, Lewis Mills, he was competing at the Loughborough International um athletics event at the weekend.
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  SPEAKER_03: And he was on, he was the guy out in front, he was chasing him down with a lap to go, he was like gonna catch him within that last lap.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But he was on for like a big personal best, and he just took the first hurdle after the bell so badly, tripped, fell over it, fell over completely, and just kind of uh that is so peak.
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  SPEAKER_03: He said to me he was, yeah, he was gonna he was absolutely fuming.
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  SPEAKER_03: That is so peak.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because those those for those that don't know about the steeplechase, like you've got about five hurdles a lap, but these hurdles are like big, chunky, you know, they don't move at all.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, they're massive.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like a gymnastics beam.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_03: Jump over.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, massive wooden gymnastics beam they have to wouldn't advise to do that during the races, but no, hey, could be great show.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then, yeah, then you've got to do the water jump.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um steeple chase, difficulty, tough, but then compare it to like what other training are you doing compared to like a 1500 or a 5k runner?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_03: Guess I'd do a bit of plyo.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: You have to do plyo anyway as a runner, so yeah, it's nothing special, really.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's like if you're a distance runner and you're good at hurdling, it's a really easy in.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because not many people actually do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I would say eight.
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  SPEAKER_03: Steeple chase, give it an eight.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_03: Next we have I'm populating the board.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_03: I've kind of gone like I've spread out this is good.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is I I've I've actually got a put a quite a broad variety in here, you know.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: We've got a marathon.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: And this is the marathon's just like we had obviously you had the you know, you had your Iron Man that you trained for.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had my Iron Man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um last episode.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, if you haven't listened to that, then listen to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: You silly buggers.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but marathon, I mean marathon's tough, right?
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: I've never run a marathon.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know which is surprising to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a little bit.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_03: What why?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: As an 800 I'm an 800 metre runner.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but you know, you love a little run.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: The furthest I've run is like 18, 19 miles.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that was just out in COVID.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: And to confirm for listeners who don't know, a marathon is 26.2 miles.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_03: There we go.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I've done like three quarters of a marathon.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's nice.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, because you were just bored, weren't you, on that run.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember you spoke about that.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Not bored on the run.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: You just kind of no, no, but you were like entertaining.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was listening to a really cool podcast.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: COVID was boring, so you just went on a long run.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was COVID.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kept going.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Just kept helping them out.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: Marathon, marathon's super tough.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's so many things about the marathon that's difficult.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_03: I think the most difficult thing about the marathon nowadays is that people give themselves so little time to train for it.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you need to dedicate yourself to that.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because that is not, I think people don't clock how difficult and how far that is to run.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, if if we were saying, like, oh, you know, train, this is like absolute difficulty, right?
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: But if we said, Oh yeah, train, you've got one year to train for it, like you had a year to you know, train for your own.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a year to train for an Iron Man.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: A year to train for a marathon is probably like depending on your running background, is still a push.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: At any point at that, you're kind of squeezed into and you need to be build a big aerobic base.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I would say for long-term runners, it's a lot easier to transition because you've got the mileage in your legs, but it's super hard for people that are picked up, and so much harder, and probably the most underrated thing at the moment, how hard it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because it seems like everyone's doing it, but they're really not.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because running's just like hashtag hype right now.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_01: And people don't even like running clubs and they go and do like a K.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Well m yeah, yeah, you do and and then you'll go from I reckon you've got more people doing marathons than you do 1500 metres, which is a very bizarre thing.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Crazy.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um so I would say Ben.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi Ben for a marathon in the year, is that to be in the top?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_03: So Ben Ben's asked from the outskirts.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_00: To be in the top.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: We're saying I'm saying You need to train I would say to do a good quality marathon.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: So Ben wants to know if um if the you know if this is to like top twenty in the in the world.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: To get a sub two hour marathon.
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  unknown: How many people are in a marathon?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, thousands.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: But that'll be about, yeah, maybe fifty.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_01: Depends what marathon it is as well.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: It's about a thousand.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Fifty thousand.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: No, fifty.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Hella.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Fifty thousand.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying relative to finish with the standard time.
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  SPEAKER_03: Relative to your own best level, if you want to get the most out of you in a year, that's a really hard ask.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: You'll have to have a good few years of training for your own personal best.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I don't think it gives you much time to do it.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like do the training properly.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you really want to go for it.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you'd feel like I even wanted to complete it.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: If you just want to complete it then.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: And entered the London Marathon draw, hasn't he?
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: If you if yeah, if you want to complete it, I think it's it's and not feel like complete dog after as well.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like not be written off for like weeks.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're gonna be written off, yeah, you're gonna be written off for a little while.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: You've only got to look at the state of people's toenails after they run marathons to know how hard they are.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: Bloody, bloody toenails, yeah.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: It look it's quite it's very romanticised the marathon, but it's it's probably a bit of a grueler.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Running bug is your toes.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if you do if you run a lot like mine.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_01: When I was in my little running era, I I my toes were yuck yuck.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yuck yuck.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_03: To be fair, I would go on like long runs and it'll my feet be especially after cross-country.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Feet get so wet and wrinkled and like prune feet.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: Fair bad cross-country man.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: But I'd say marathon, marathon's up there, it's definitely up there with one of the most difficult.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: The thing is, I put pole vault at three.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: The thing about the marathon that's so difficult is you need to, if you want to do it properly, in terms of like you want to get everything right, you gotta be fueling correctly, you need to have a good build-up of like of mileage, you need to do proper sessions.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like, if someone's working as well, then they're gonna have to fit everything outside of work.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: You need to be doing some resistance training as well, prevent injuries.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like you've got to do a hell of a lot for it.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then also it's like the mental game.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: For those that don't have that that mental, like the grip, the resilience, all of that, then it's it's really tough.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: But if you do, I reckon you can be in a really good spot and really enjoy like the long sessions.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um I would say marathon, uh it's gonna be weird putting it different to pole vault, but I think I'm gonna put it at four.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: Because I think there's other events that are that are more difficult.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: In different ways.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: You ready?
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: Number five?
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: We have the shot put.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: The shot put?
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Love it with shot put.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said love doing shot put, man.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_03: Immediate thoughts, shot put ten.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's easy.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_03: I d I don't know too much about the shot put.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be interested to ask my dick athlete friends about, you know, they don't seem to spend a lot of time doing shot put specifically.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just need strong shoulders, mate.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_03: Push the push the heavy ball.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: Heavy weights.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Gonk.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how much like you to be fair, like shot putters are seriously this is the thing, even if I put it down at like nine or ten, it's obviously no discredit to professional athletes.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: That are shot putters like they're so ugly.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: They're also pretty good sprinters.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: And they're just insanely powerful.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um because it is a it's just a short, sharp power movement.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_03: Bosh.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: I saw there was one there's a female athlete, Dutch athlete, that um broke the Diamond League record at the weekend.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: She put put it.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: She shot that put.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: She shot that put over she put that shot over 21 metres, 21 metres and nine centimetres.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: Which is far.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: And those shot puts, I don't know, on the women's side it might be around six kilos.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how yeah, how heavy are they?
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: The men's is seven point two.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Six kegs is pretty, pretty hefty.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's a big shot.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Crikey.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, seriously, it's it's you lift it up.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like I remember being a trap with slambles.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Condensed into one, you know.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: The kids wanted like three, three K or maybe.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, kids would be, yeah, and the little like rubber ones as well.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeeting them.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, shot put, I don't know, technique-wise, I don't think it's like really, really tough to do.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: The sessions compared to other events, it's you've not got anything outstanding.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I'm talking like this will make hopefully if you brought up some events I'm thinking, otherwise none of this will make any sense, is like lactic sessions.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, shot putters, I don't think, do a lot of sprint training and lactic sessions.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna put shot put at ten and I lock it in at ten.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Locked in.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: I put the lock emoji by it.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: Otherwise, I'll just be dancing around it and like dancing and prancing.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: Be putting it at nine and then waiting for something to come up and be like, oh yeah.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: Next one.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Now this is kind of a little bit more vague.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now I think about it.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_01: Cross country.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it's a little more vague.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because like some are probably there's never really.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is there really a standard distance now?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like for certain ages?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because I never knew what distance I was running when I did them.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, that felt a bit longer.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was long.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that was a short one.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: And the taste of blood.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the taste of blood.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's when you know you're unfit.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's instantly needed shite in the first hundred metres and everyone's sprinting.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, guys, please stop it.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's alright.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's funny.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: You have to tell yourself you don't need it though.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's just adrenaline.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's that past that first like K, you're fine.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: You just gotta keep it in.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't it?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's tense.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Start feeling weak.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't feel good.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Don't do that.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um cross country.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: So cross country is interesting because it depends where you are in the world.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: Very much so.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because cross country in America is not cross-country.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: So in the NCAA system, they have 8K cross country or 10k cross country.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing is, these are run around like golf courses.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, they might be a little bit hilly, but they're none of them are muddy.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: They're not, they're not.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_03: They're like sanded, like you could probably wear trains.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: They're not the nationals in Bolton.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the Nationals in Bolton, it's not the Nationals in Sunderland, it's not Parliament Hill, it's not uh Woolerton Park in Bolton.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Where they put straw down on the muddy hills and it just doesn't do anything.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then they decide to just put like tree trunks so you jump over them.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: So upsetting.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_03: Cross country, and even at World Cross World Cross Country, at the World Cross Country champs, it's nothing like national cross country in England.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I would say, oh goodness, to be fair, like on the whole, if you're talking a national cross country, like I did one in my first ever one was in Sunderland, and that was snowing.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: I remember my uncle did my spikes so tight.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: I was like 11 years old.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Taping the spikes on sometimes as well.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_03: You literally take people, you take the spikes around with literal gaffer tape so that you they don't fall off.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Poor little kids.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: So every time there was always every time I finished cross country, like probably about three-quarters of the competitors were just crying after the race.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I never cried.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Kids crying hard as nails.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Did you ever cry?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't think so.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, not really.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was just excited for the donuts after.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Why is that just the best thing?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's school cross country, isn't it?
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, school cross country, that was that was a leak.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: But some no, some of the TAC ones I did.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: They had donuts.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Donuts as well.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: One of the last um cross country relays I did with Tac, they were donuts.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Eating donuts and cheering everyone on.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_03: Those those cross-country relays are some of these so fun.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Did you ever go up to Mansfield?
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I think I did the one in Mansfield.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: Amazing.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So fun.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Literally so I loved it because also for me I loved I liked cross-country and I was pretty good at it, but I didn't like the pressure that came with it, especially if it was like when I was like competing at Twigs as well, or even with Rose Hill, right?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because I was the best person at cross-country in my year, especially at Rose Hill, Twigs was slightly different.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: But there were a couple of us, it was me and Ellie Cohen and Georgie Madison Brown.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: That was the little we were the little trio, but the pressure when you are kind of the consistent.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I used to hate it.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: So then when I started to do the relays of tech, I was like oh, this is so fun.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because it just took the pressure off, which is really nice.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_03: I think the nerves were for cross-country race.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you walk the course.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's it's fun.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_03: Like you walk the I mean, I love I love cross-country.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's for me, it is it's great.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's just you get muddy, yeah, you push yourself to the limit.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Money.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: You get muddy.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, is that money like Mr.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Krabs?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Where money where?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'd say national, like England cross country is really quite tough, yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: But not necessarily more gruel, like it's on the same level as a marathon in terms of like grueling, not really as hard, but then American cross-country is not tough.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's a joke.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: Like they'll be running, they have this is the thing in the States, so they'll have rankings for times over cross-country courses, so they'll actually have a leaderboard of like who's run the fastest 8k cross-country because they're all pretty much measurable.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_03: They'll also have times at the kilometre point, they'll have like a um whatchamacallit, like a digital clock.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so you can see oh, that's weird.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: People are looking at splits and they'll be looking at splits.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: And the thing is, the whole thing about cross country is that every course should be different.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it shouldn't be to do a time at all to get disposition.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: And so it kind of ruins it in the US for me.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: When I went out there, I was like, this is ridiculous.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_03: So boring.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you're two fifth two fifty five through the first kilometre.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm looking round and I'm like, absolutely nothing.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, literally.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Where's where's the mud?
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Where the where the club gazebos, you know?
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, literally.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not right.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_03: Where's the yeah, where's the oh my goodness, at the gazebos were lit.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: My my first ever cross country that I was too young to do because I was still ten.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: Illegal cross country runner! Well, 'cause I couldn't run it.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_03: No, it wasn't funny.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: No, it isn't.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Legal.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Legally not doing it.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Sure there?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you did just run it alongside.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: Fort and Towers.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_03: Did you run my cells?
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Fortin Towers?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_03: 2012?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I remember I was wearing my jeans.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: I was wearing I only had one pair of clothes.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_03: It was the clothes that I was going to wear for the club dinner.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: To run and it was so muddy.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: They actually a few people broke, like broke their ankles going down the hills.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_03: So they actually changed some of the course as the course was going on.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because as the injuries were accumulating.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: People just falling down hills.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: And it was horrible.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: The conditions were horrible.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_03: Literally like the cheese race that you're going to do.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_03: And they oh, I was I was supporting, I remember walking around the the tack tent and I slipped on one of the guide ropes and I just face planted.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: And my jeans had these kind of like grey black jeans, and they were just caked in mud.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I ended up having to wear Ben Brooks's running tights, black running tights to the national cross country dinner.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: It was so embarrassing.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: Did Tom Kendrick win that cross country?
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Tom Kendrick.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: No, he but he won the Sunderland one.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_03: He won the next year.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: Next year, then we got the first team.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: But he won that.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, I was like, surely there's another way around.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: I was going around, I was like, you've got a spare pair of jeans.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: Not for you, Charlie.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_03: You little 10-year-old twig.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: See, yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to wear leggings and they like they like flares on you.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's why cross country makes me cry.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only time that I'll be crying.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Primary school, did you do the Seven Oaks and the Schools at Summerhill cross countries?
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well I went to school at Summerhill.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: You went near Church, didn't you?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: I forgot that.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: What did you which one did you find harder?
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Seven Oaks one or the Schools at Summerhill?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Summerhill, but then I got to know the course.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: Seven Oaks is only hard because you have to run on the road.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was also a bit longer.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: Seven Oaks was quite a long one.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_03: What did you find harder?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Summerhill, I think.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's 'cause it's very hilly.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's that big hill that you run up.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god, that's gruelling.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_03: They've cut around cut down all the trees around there now.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_03: It looks completely different.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um I do have a story about Summerhill.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I went to Summerhill Nursery.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know that.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: Did you?
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's a fun fact.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no way.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they have the monkey puzzle trees, and I used to think there were actually monkeys in them.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Mum told me they were called monkey puzzle trees.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: So in the dining hall, I remember I used to look out, such a core memory, I used to look out the window and look for monkeys.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: Now whenever I see them, I think of schools at Summerhill.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: That is so special.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: How crazy.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, back onto the topic.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Cross country, what did you rate it?
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_03: Cross country, I'm gonna put it at six.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: Six, it's pretty tough.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_03: I think it is probably one of the toughest, toughest events.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um anything like serious mud, we're talking.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: Not as not as tough as a marathon.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take out number seven, I'm gonna add in something different because I feel like I need to have a bit more.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_03: Is it too similar?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've given you quite a lot of long distance.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna whack this one in.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'm anticipating the shorter one soon, I hope.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: I've still got one and two.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_03: I've locked in three, four, five, and six, haven't I?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_03: I've locked in eight and ten.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: So I've got one, two, seven, and nine.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm trying to decipher.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna take that one out.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just chopping and changing as we go, guys, live and direct.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like Alright, okay.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Take it all back.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: Take it all back.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_01: What anything for content?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Anything for content.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Take it all back, take it all back.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right, we're going back to the original plan.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: 5,000 metres.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: On the track or on the road?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: On the trick.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_03: 5,000 or 5k?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: 5,000 metres on the track.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: 5,000 metres on the track, 12 and a half laps on the track.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Mofarra?
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh Mo Farah.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: He did some amazing, amazing races, that man.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's he Are you talking about him like he's in the past?
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Mo Farah is still very much alive.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but he's not racing anymore.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: That man, he's rest in peace, Mo Farah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_03: Little Mo.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mo bot.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, he's still doing cornments.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: He probably did he do the London Marathon this year.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_03: He did not, no.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: He does some most shit, doesn't he?
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just to chill.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: He did it the other.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, he had the British record before he got.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Did he get beaten?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: I have a feeling it got beaten.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: By Sam Crick.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: By Sam Crick next year.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: Sam Crick said.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because she texted him to take her parents on.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_03: Sam said he could do two hours fifty in a year.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Sam was feeling a little queasy, so he had to go and run a long half marathon.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Long marathon.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Stop.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: Marathon uh 5,000 metres.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: Queasy?
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um Mofarrow.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: These to these 5,000 metres is very different to like park runs and like 5K's on the road.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god, yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: The tactics of a 5,000 metre race, if it's a championship race, first of all, they're pretty quick.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if it's a fast race, they're doing like 1240.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: They're sprinting faster than I can sprint in a hundred metres.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: The whole time.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: To be fair.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Way faster.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they're doing 15 seconds per 100 meters.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you know what?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: 15 seconds per four.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: I have done a faster 100 metres than that.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd hope you would.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Slightly.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: Awkward.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: But faster than some people.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_03: Faster than most of the population.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_01: 15 seconds is fast.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's fast.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to be moving.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: And that is a consistent.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: For 12 and a half laps.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_03: So the and the 5,000 is a pretty horrible event.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: The thing is now you said there's some longer distance stuff.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's up there.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: I think the 5k is tough.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's tougher than the 1500.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: I would say it's my it's my second.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's probably a second most difficult thing for me.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: There's a couple of events that were put in there, but I just wouldn't put it at seven.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm going to put it at two.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: But I would say like just watching the burn-up in a 5,000 metre race, especially watching Mo Farah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: And taking control.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: They're in pain, but then he drops a 52-second last lap.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: 52 seconds for a 400.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: After running like 11.5 laps at like four-minute mile.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_03: That is so fast.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's mental.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually sickening.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's absurd.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, okay.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna say, yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_03: Number two spot.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_03: I'm leaving the number one open because there's a couple of events that are tougher than that.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: There's probably a little scared, aren't you?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: I would say three events that are harder than that.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm hoping one of them will come up.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: Are we ready?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are they?
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Are they?
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: Number eight.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: We have the four by one hundred relay.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_03: Oh right, okay.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: Nah, nine.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Nine.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Four by one.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's probably, I don't know, if you're a Brit, you probably put it as the most difficult event ever because none of our brits can get the baton round.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: We always drop it.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: It is the thing that the dropping that's not It's kind of like Just grab the bloody baton for God's sake.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not that hard.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's the nerves, isn't it?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's the nerves.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sweaty palms.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: But it's also like they I don't know.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't do a four by one hundred.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: I quite I used to quite like them.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: What leg did you used to be?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Four.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Your last leg.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was number four.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_03: I was always like three.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: Serious pace.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Alexander Stadium.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh four by one hundred.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: So good.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Get out of my way, little girl.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_02: You're in your own lanes.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Still, get out my way, little girl.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Someone over the head with the battery.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_01: Fit out of the way.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've seen someone.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: There was someone in a race that did smack someone with the batter.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: WWE smackdown.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_02: Christ.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: Someone actually, what they did was they smacked it out of someone's head as they were running.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was a four by four hundred.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: And they just smacked it.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you can't do that.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's upsetting.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you can't do that.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Outrageous.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you're here for number nine.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: So that's number nine.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_03: Which leaves me seven and one.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:26
  unknown: Yeah.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Are you ready?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Give it to me.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: Give it to me.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: Give it to me, Rachel.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Please.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: We've got the marathon de saab.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: The what?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: The marathon de saab.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: The marathon de Saab.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: How do you not know what marathon saab is?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's an ultra marathon in the Sahara Desert.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: In the Moroccan Sahara.
• 30:49
  unknown: Oh.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: Covers roughly 250 kilometers.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's the one that Tom Oh, what is his head?
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_01: That runner.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know that runner.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's really well known because he was in the army and he wasn't a runner prior.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: He was sponsored by Hawker for a long time.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have to find his name.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he said he'd do it on a drunk night out in the army.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: And he did it.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he did it and he won.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: He won.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was mental.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: Who is this man?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what is his name, man?
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's nuts.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I thought the thing is, this is making me think you've done really long distance events.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: There's also, I mean, you could chuck in like Russ Cook running the length of Africa.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, oh, that's thrown a spatter in the works.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Hang on.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let me find his name.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I see, I've got one and seven.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_03: I've got to keep one because it's close they're close to my heart.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Evans.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Evans.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Ultramarathon runner.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's now sponsored by Red Bull.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_01: Thing is, that's more that's more difficult than the matchup.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, he came third.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse my excuse my silliness.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: But he came third.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's worth it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he'd never done an ultramarathon before.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's worth it as well.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna have to put it seven.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Seven.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing is, that's so hard.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: Like that endurance event.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: And and it's the same with like people doing marathons on consecutive days.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's disgusting.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_03: They just keep going.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Who was it who did it?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um Spencer Matthews.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, also great.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: Jamie Lang also did a similar thing.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um where did they run?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't the guy who who's Keith Lemon.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't the guy who's is that is not his actual name.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's not his actual name.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Can't remember what's name.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: God knows, can't remember.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: She spoke about this other day with my parents.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know Ben?
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Keith Lemon's actual name.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: There's another guy here.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's quite people are gonna be watching this going, ah Is his name Keith?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: Keith.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: We're looking at up.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of these celebrities are doing these amazing events, and it does.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: He's called They're orders of magnitude though, because when I was talking about like difficult and putting pole vault at three, like no one off the street is gonna be doing any Keith Francis.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: Lee Francis, buddy.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: Lee Francis.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's not called Keith Orito, Keith.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Right, we're looking at seven.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: Lemon Francis.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_01: Keith Mellon.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Keith Mellon.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, different types of difficult, like these are just orders of magnitude difficult, more difficult than the marathon.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um but I'm gonna have to try it's a different, it's a different kind of pain.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: It is tougher, most likely.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: Probably be a bit thirsty.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: The intensity is where I think most people find things the most difficult.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_03: The endurance is once you can tap into the endurance, you're probably okay.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: But to be able to do intense stuff mentally where you don't have much decision making and you don't have a support crew, not saying that this really should be at seven, but I'm gonna put the the marathon de Sahara.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Did you say Sahara?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: Marathon de Sab.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: De Sab, yeah.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: S-A-B-L-E-S.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: Sableise.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sable.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, go on then, give it to me.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: What's the last one?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: So you have ranked number ten 400 metre hurdles at one.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Good.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Quite tight.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: That was one of my three.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: No, it wasn't.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_03: That was one of my three.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: Was it actually?
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hurdles are hard.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: And they're high as well.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: Now.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: That was that was actually what my do you want to know what my three were?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: 800.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_03: Why have you not put it on the card?
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I was going to change it.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh, I feel like I should ask him.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: 800, 400, and 400 minute hurdles, I think, are the toughest three track events.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Gosh.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: Because because the sessions.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: Harder than an ultramarathon.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: I'd say so.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Full stop.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think I stand by that.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I think because fair mate.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's a different kind of difficulty.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: You're not there is there is a different kind of pain with like hard lactic sessions.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but also all of those three events are on the cusp of like energy systems, which makes them the most difficult.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like if you train for a marathon, it's again it's all all of this is relative to like other difficult things, but you've got to build your aerobic base and then you've got to do a bit of lactate threshold work.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: You're not gonna be doing any sprints, maybe for running mechanics, but nothing like proper sprint hard sprint sessions.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there's you've got more variety in your training for 800.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_03: 800 four hurdles and 400.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to be super strong in the gym, you've got to be able to hack a decent amount of mileage for the 800.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: You're kind of sprinting it.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: You've you also for the intensity, like it's over so quickly if you get it wrong.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like striding, you'll work out your stride pattern for the 400.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Different to the steeple chase, like it's so different hurdling, you know, it's completely different hurdling.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and also you look at some of the best 400 hurdlers, like Carsten Varholm has the world record at 4591 or something.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's quicker than most of our bricks.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's so mad.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um I wouldn't mind putting 400 hurdles there.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: In my mind, it's like it's an incomplete list.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_03: But otherwise we'd be talking for half an hour about the 800 meter.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, and then one of the reasons I didn't put 800 in is because I thought, oh, it's kind of a bias though.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's what you do.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: I halfway through I went, maybe I should put the N and maybe put the 200 in as well.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I and that's for the two I was gonna swap for the 500 in the four by one.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: 5k.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's gonna swap.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: 5000, sorry.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: 600, very bad.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: 600's a great event.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: That is fun.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_03: Unsung era event.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: That is fun, yeah.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um anyway.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: Is that where we wrap up?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's where we wrap up.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: So what did I have in the end?
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you had four hundred metres at one, five thousand at two, pole vault three, marathon four, yeah, fifteen hundred five, cross country a six, marathon de Sab seven.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_02: Cross country is harder than the the ultra marathon through the you don't know the difficulty of these British cross-country and Willington Parks.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Never had your spikes taped to your feet.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: You've never been to Pali Hill at the end of uh February.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you never had your parents showering at you when you're really tired.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Bloodfast!
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh we had our club chairman poor Alan Alan Bennett, he uh the late Alan Bennett, he was Rest.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_03: Rest in peace, Alan Bennett.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: He was he was an absolute hero on the cross country courses.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Alan.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: He would you could hear him from behind a tree, he'd be in the middle of nowhere, and you just hear him go, go on, Charlie! I'm just like, oh my goodness, I've got he'd be in like the back end of the rotten where you're resting.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's like for goodness sake, Alan.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and he did it to Ben Brooks, but Ben Brooks got too many.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: Alan Bennett with his binoculars on.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's just literally come out from behind a tree.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: And uh one time he said to Ben Brooks, who's he was an under 13, 11 or 12 years old, and he's just gone, speed up, Ben Brooks, you're slow.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Ben just cried, burst into tears.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_02: He was hoping that at the back end of the course he gets some respite.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, Ben.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Speed up, Ben break just you're slow.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know if it worked.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: He's still running them.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty fast for a pretty fast for a man with curly hair.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: You blush.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: That was it.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: Any honourable mentions to put in there but didn't?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: Or is that all wrapped up?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did we even re we didn't even put I didn't even I said seven, CPS eight, one four by nine, four by four by nine hundred meters uh four by one nine and the short but ten.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think that backwards.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's fair.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you can chuck in I personally loved long jump.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: We could do field events next.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we could do we should do more.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I should have I should have just kept it to running with a bit of like the hurdles included in that, and then field events with like their own discus, all that, all that, all that javelin.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, javelin, true.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: Ten.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Ten.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: Shop put, unless you're at Chad School.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: 100 meters, I guess.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: 100 metres.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's just that is pressure as well.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because the nerves that come with that.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_01: There's so many we could have done.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: What we should have done.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's more, yeah.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_03: There are more than 10 running events in the world.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a fun.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Lots of bits.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we'll conclude for today.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for coming onto our podcast, Charlie.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks so much, Charlotte.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: I hope you can have me again very soon.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: But I I hope so also.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: Great.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: Bye.