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Corporate Life to Parenting Through Divorce and Fertility Coaching with Sonia Ribas - S7 E91 · Becoming Parents Podcast

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  Welcome to Becoming Parents podcast.
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  I'm your host Jennifer Campbell, mom of 18 and executive director
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  of the Doula Co-op of Nevada. With more than 15 years in birth
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  work, I've had the privilege of walking beside families through
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  life's transitions. My work centers on connection,
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  community, and amplifying voices that too often go unheard of.
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  These episodes is an honest conversation about the messy,
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  beautiful, and transformative experiences that shape us as
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  parents and as people. I'd like to extend a heartfelt
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  thank you to the incredible guests who show up with and
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  authenticity to share their stories with us.
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  Let's dive right in. Welcome to becoming parents
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  podcast. Today I have Sonia Rebus.
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  How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic, thanks for
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  having me. I love your accent, but that
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  means I have an accent too. So we're equally as sexy with
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  our accents to each other I guess.
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  Absolutely yes. Bring it on accents.
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  I want you to jump in and share your parenting journey with us.
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  OK, so I am a single mom of three kids right now, but my
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  parenting journey started 14 years ago.
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  Yeah, so I have a full teenager now 14 years ago.
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  I have 3 kids who are 1310 and seven.
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  But actually, I like to say my parenting journey actually
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  started before I had kids because I became a fertility
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  coach before having my own kids. So I started parenting and
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  mothering a lot of babies way before my own biological babies.
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  And this happened 16 years ago. So in my previous life, I owned
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  a yoga company and one of my yoga clients called me and said
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  she was from India. So she went back to India and
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  she said I'm back home, I'm back in India.
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  And I went to my OBGYN and she told me I'm never going to be
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  able to have kids and I'm devastated.
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  Can you help me? And I was like, well, no.
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  Pressure. I, you know, like I have an MB
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  AI taught yoga at that time I had a yoga company, but I knew
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  nothing, nothing about fertility.
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  And I said that, and she said, Sonia, you're the only person I
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  trust. So I rolled up my sleeves and I
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  teamed up with my mom, who is a traditional Chinese medicine
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  practitioner in Spain. And we teamed up and we created
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  a holistic program by researching a lot and by putting
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  everything we knew together. So that included nutrition, it
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  included supplements, it included yoga videos,
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  meditations, everything that we could find and that we could
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  find research and, you know, papers backing that it was good
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  for fertility. So she not only did she get
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  pregnant, but her labs improved dramatically.
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  One of the key hormones, AMH, improved a lot, which is very
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  difficult to improve. AMH and her doctor in India.
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  I was so impressed that she started referring people my way.
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  So. Here I am uncertified.
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  You know, like going from helping a friend to helping
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  Indian women get pregnant to the point that obviously I said I
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  need to get certified like this needs to be if this is something
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  I'm going to be doing, which was incredibly beautiful and
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  rewarding to get certified. So I got certified as a health
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  coach and then I got a lot of certificates after through my
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  career in hormones medicine, pregnancy and so on.
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  And then a few, a few years later, then I was myself.
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  I was ready to have kids at that time.
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  I was married and I applied everything that I was preaching.
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  I applied it into myself, which allowed me to be a better
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  fertility coach and also to perfect program.
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  How, how crazy? I mean, just your mom, your
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  mom's background. So as a yoga coach with your
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  mom's background, because let me preface this like I was not
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  raised in a healthy and home and environment.
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  I didn't know how to cook when I left the house.
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  Like I, I just, we didn't, I didn't know any of that.
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  I was not healthy. My mom was obese.
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  And I, when I graduated high school, I was like, think this
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  should look different, but I didn't know what that meant.
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  And I had to kind of struggle through like healthy living and
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  healthy. I knew I didn't want to become
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  like my parents and I knew not to do what they were doing, but
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  I didn't necessarily know what to do.
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  Where was your background in growing up with your mom's
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  Chinese? That's like my dream.
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  That, that was my, that's my dream childhood.
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  Well, my house is funny because my mom is a Chinese medicine
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  practitioner. One of my sisters is an
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  anesthesiologist, which is kind of like the opposite, like
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  Western medicine. She's the kind of person who
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  thinks, oh, maybe I'll get a headache later.
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  So let me get a Tylen, let me take a Tylenol.
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  Now she is that I love her daily, but she is Western
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  medicine all the way, medication all the way.
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  My mom's in the opposite. I and now I'm kind of like in
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  the middle and I have another sister who's a happiness coach.
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  So we are all kind of like different versions and commented
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  from different angles. But growing up, the one thing we
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  all had in common is, you know, I grew up in Barcelona, Spain.
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  That's where my accent is from. And Mediterranean food obviously
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  is what we grew up with. So we knew how to eat, you know,
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  Mediterranean diet, which happens to be the diet that is
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  more researched and supported for fertility, Yes.
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  I mean, for everything, actually, the Mediterranean
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  diet, I think like insert issue here and it's gonna tell you to
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  be on the Mediterranean diet. I remember learning about it and
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  thinking I just need to move to Spain.
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  That's really the the answer is you live in the wrong location
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  because it's amazing. So well, that's fantastic and
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  it's great that it's was kind of all over the place.
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  So in your yoga coaching, though you're already practicing, how
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  much from yoga did you bring into fertility?
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  A lot. A lot, yeah.
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  I brought in the physical layer of yoga, which by the way, in my
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  program there are a lot of yoga videos, 'cause I can't help it.
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  But also, you know, with yoga comes hormonal regulation, with
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  yoga comes energy, you know, clearing energy channels,
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  regulating nervous system, clearing trauma.
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  So there's, you know, like yoga is this all in
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  I mean, they advocate for a vegan diet a lot of the times,
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  which I don't necessarily agree for everyone, but they do teach
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  you, you know, to not eat process like they do teach you
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  some of the framework. So that's also beneficial.
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  I agree with that and I think like as a doula myself, working
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  with women through some fertility, but then
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  predominantly when they're pregnant and I like the high
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  risk. You know, there's a lot going
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  on. And I think I don't think we
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  recognize diet as important. And one of the things that's an
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  issue, if people want to be vegan, that's fine.
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  But there isn't there are issues with that in pregnancy too, that
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  you, if you're going to continue on that path, and I'm not
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  discouraging that, but you, you definitely have to be very on
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  top of certain things within your diet to have the healthiest
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  pregnancy. It's not the easiest, it's not
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  the easiest diet to navigate through pregnancy and and
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  postpartum for sure. So that's fascinating.
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  That is for sure. Yeah, we're actually doing now
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  in my program, we always do challenges with my clients.
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  Now in at this moment, we are doing a protein challenge, which
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  is 120 grams of protein per day. It's not easy.
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  It's not easy that's the problem.
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  It's the lack of in which for us to eat fish and eggs and meat.
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  It's easy. Well, easy.
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  Yeah. So I adapt to the diet that my
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  clients want to have. Some of them are religious
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  reasons, some of them are environmental reasons, whatever
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  reasons. And I'm very respectful of all
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  that. But it is true that when people
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  insist on being vegan, we do need to get very creative in
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  terms of getting protein, B12 and and some nutrients.
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  Yeah, that's amazing. OK, so you're helping people and
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  then you get pregnant. What?
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  It was easy for you to get pregnant.
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  It was easy. Thank God it was easy.
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  'Cause you'd already seen all these people struggling with it.
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  I had already understood that getting pregnant, for your body
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  to say yes to a pregnancy, it's much more than that and that you
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  need to prepare your environment way before you want to have kids
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  so that your body will be receptive to a pregnancy.
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  So that part I had understood very well.
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  So I was very proactive way before being ready in terms of
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  starting to prepare my body. It's so interesting because I
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  got married really young. I was 19.
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  We wanted to have kids. I mean, it sounds so stupid now.
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  Like why didn't somebody slap me and wake me up?
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  But that's fine. I went to infertility because I
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  had a year of no periods or I would hemorrhage or like no
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  miscarriages. So I instantly went into
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  infertility, which was fine 'cause we wanted to have kids.
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  But I did like 7 surgeries and maxed out on Clomid and Provera
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  and I'd have to say having being post menopause now, same thing
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  like we have not caught up. Women's Health is not caught up
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  that back then when I look at it, not that what that doctor
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  was doing was unnecessary. Trying to rule out is there are
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  there things wrong that we can fix what's going on?
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  Why can you not get pregnant? But nothing was ever addressed
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  with diet or exercise or mental health And I didn't have a
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  mental health issue but still. Like I think every woman in in
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  fertility should have a therapist because holy cow is it
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  horrible. And the same thing on the side
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  with menopause. Same thing when I had a
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  hysterectomy, I lost twins at 16 weeks, had a hysterectomy at 33.
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  There was no nothing about supporting yourself through
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  diet, exercise, even just getting a certain amount of sun,
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  like just daylight, like sunshine.
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  So how hard is it for you challenging?
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  What are the challenges with working with medical
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  professionals in the field who are doing the same thing now
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  that they did for me 35 years ago?
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  And how much of A disconnect 'cause I know as a doula,
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  there's a disconnect? Yeah, there is a disconnect.
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  So when couples come to me, typically they've already been
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  heavily traumatized by the fertility industry, namely
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  Western medicine. So the part that's truly
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  heartbreaking is that they've been disempowered to the point
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  that they think they're broken and they think they'll never be
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  able to get pregnant without treatments or at all.
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  And then I take them in and I take them under my wing, and
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  then I help them optimize their fertility from every possible
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  angle. But one of the things that's
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  difficult is to reprogram your brain once you've been so
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  heavily traumatized, right? Because the subconscious part of
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  your brain has stored the idea that getting pregnant is
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  dangerous, that trying to get pregnant is dangerous, and that
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  it's not worth it, and therefore it blocks a pregnancy because it
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  doesn't think you're safe. Yeah.
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  And most women are told that something is wrong with their
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  body when they're not getting pregnant.
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  But what I see over and over again is that the body is
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  actually doing its job. It just doesn't feel safe enough
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  to prioritize pregnancy because of a number of things.
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  And one of those things being the trauma that has, you know,
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  that these people have gone through.
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  So my job is, my program includes therapy actually.
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  To you. My job is to not just get them
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  ready at a physical layer or a hormonal layer, but also
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  mentally and emotionally so that their body can feel safe enough
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  to get pregnant naturally. I remember feeling like less
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  than a woman, you know? Like I, I've broken.
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  Broken is definitely the word because the things that are
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  supposed to be working a certain way just weren't doing what you
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  thought they were going to do. And after the hysterectomy too,
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  that was really hard. So I, I think mental health and
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  our emotions tied to fertility, even not being able to get like
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  even my hysterectomy and I didn't really want to have kids
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  anymore, but that wasn't the point, you know?
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  And so it's, it feels devastating.
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  I, I know that someone recently told me that she's worried that
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  her husband will leave her if she can't get pregnant because
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  he wants kids so badly. And I was like that should not
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  be the basis of a relationship. That's so bad, but I see that.
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  I I do see that. Do you see those threats and
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  those ultimatums? I even have women in my program
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  that do the program in secret, like private, completely
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  privately without their partners knowing so that they can deliver
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  a baby to their their partners and keep them satisfied.
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  But with without without help. Fertility is still very taboo
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  unfortunately. I I call myself a fertility
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  activist because I give voice to a lot of women that can never
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  talk about it with anyone. Actually, 63% of women never
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  talk about this with anyone. Wow.
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  Yeah, which is one of the reasons why one of the big
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  pillars in my program is community.
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  And we do beautiful women's circles twice a week to get
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  together with women who get you where you are, in a very, very
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  safe space where you come as you are.
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  Everything's virtual, so you can be in your PJS and you feel
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  seen. You feel validated, nourished
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  and inspired by women who totally get it because they are
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  in the same season of life. Wow, I love that you had your
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  first baby. Take me through.
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  There's three. There's three babies, Yes, yes.
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  So you want to know my first pregnancy?
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  Yeah, tell them, I mean, take me because you're now your business
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  is also changing along the way too.
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  So that was probably pretty parallel.
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  Yes. So definitely having my babies
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  help me completely optimize my program since I had three babies
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  and I was like, oh, this needs to change.
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  That need to change. We also have a pregnancy program
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  that I perfected along the way. Every pregnancy is so unique.
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  That's something that is very important to remember for people
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  who for women who've lost babies.
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  I was not. I was lucky not to lose a baby.
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  But I want to say this because there's a lot of women that lose
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  babies and I want you to treat every pregnancy as completely
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  unique. Yeah.
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  And to remind yourself, like after a loss, if you get
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  pregnant again, to remind yourself that this is a
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  completely unique pregnancy, completely different baby, and
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  that you are a completely different person.
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  So in my case, every pregnancy was very different.
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  I always say to people, pregnancy feels like if somebody
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  steals your body. And.
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  Other body as a rental for and you don't.
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  Like it as much you don't like. It and you don't know anything
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  about it. Yeah.
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  Yeah. All of a sudden, like the smell
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  of your house disgusts you or like, you know, like there's
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  things that you used to like a lot of a sudden you cannot spend
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  it like smells or, or like certain flavors and things like
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  that, or you look completely different or things that you
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  like to do now you don't like to do them anymore.
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  I remember I used, I mean, I love swimming.
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  I'm a water person. I love swimming.
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  For whatever reason, during my pregnancies, I didn't like
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  swimming at all. And everyone tells you you're
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  supposed to be swimming and I'm like, I don't feel it.
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  So, so it was really different. But I, I really felt very
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  privileged to be pregnant given my job and given how aware I am
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  of what a miracle this is. So even though I was nauseous
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  and even though obviously it was not easy, I always, I never took
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  it for granted. So I was very, very grateful
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  every single minute of my life being pregnant.
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  I loved it once I hit about 20 weeks, but I was violently sick.
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  But I still was grateful because I was one of the people that was
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  told you you might not ever be able to carry a pregnancy to
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  term if you even get pregnant. And I, I did.
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  And so it's hard when like, it feels like somebody gave you
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  this foreign body. They just dropped you into a new
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  body that is terrible and nothing's the same and you're
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  trying to figure it out. One of my pregnancies, I don't
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  really love orange juice and I wanted orange juice, but when I
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  was not pregnant anymore, I don't like it again.
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  And another one, it was spaghetti sauce.
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  It was marinara sauce, but I loved ever since, like I that
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  one I kept with me. So I never liked spaghetti
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  sauce, but in that pregnancy I wanted it and I've loved it ever
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  since. It's so weird.
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  It's so weird. It's really weird.
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  Hormones are so mysterious to me.
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  I find them fascinating and, and creating a life inside you And,
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  and you know, like you could be making a kidney now, you could
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  be making a heart and you're not thinking about it, but it's
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  still happening inside you. I know.
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  It's so great, it's so amazing and I still avoid like the
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  candle aisle in every store. And I haven't been pregnant for
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  22 years and I I still, I'm there's certain things that
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  you're like, Nope, can't ever do that again.
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  You know, it's so it's really and menopause, it flared up
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  again differently in menopause, but it's the same sort of
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  situation and it's hormone based, you know, so you, you had
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  three kids total. How far apart are they in age?
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  They are exactly 2 years and eight months far.
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  Natural child spacing. I don't know how, but they are
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  exactly the same difference. I don't know that's how how it
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  ended up having it. So it's boy, girl, boy.
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  Oh well, you just had it all set up on a chart.
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  And how much has the business changed throughout having like
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  the first one, I imagine it changed a lot, which you've
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  said. And then how much has it
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  continue to change 'cause you meant made a point that every
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  pregnancy is different and every pregnancy is very different.
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  Yes. So before my third baby was born
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  I sold my yoga company so I could focus only on fertility.
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  So up until that point I was doing both and it was
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  exhausting. So at some people was like I
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  need to choose. I have two businesses, 2
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  beautiful projects, I need to let one go.
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  So I sold my yoga company to my competitors and I became a full
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  time fertility and pregnancy coach that allowed me to give a
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  lot more time to my clients. And the business initially was
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  only one on ones, the my my practice.
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  And now it's a hybrid program. As I told you earlier, community
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  is a big part of our program. So we combine one-on-one
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  conversations and meetings with community circles, women's
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  circles. And that's beautiful.
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  That has given me so much joy to not just help them on a
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  one-on-one basis, but also to see them helping each other and
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  to be a facilitator for synergies to happen and
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  friendships to grow. And I know like so many people
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  in my program have stayed friends and they meet up and
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  they go on holidays together and, and they have been Mamas
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  together. So that's been so beautiful to
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  see. And we do meet ups in my house
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  once a year, which is beautiful. So we hug.
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  That's so great. And then I would imagine that
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  that is hard and great for the people that are newer in your
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  program seeing people that have their babies like it would give
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  them a lot of hope and also be a little sad.
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  And I know I want to talk about your program a little segue into
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  that because you have a free fertility solution, three-step
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  process, free online master class.
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  Tell me about that, because I know that's a way.
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  And you also mentioned that some people do this in secret without
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  their husbands knowing, which I, I understand why some of them
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  would want to do that. So I this feels like you can dip
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  your toe. Yes.
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  So the master class that we offer for free is an explanation
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  of my method. OK, so you don't need to work
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  with me in order to follow my method.
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  I'm super happy to share it for everyone who can benefit.
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  So I have the signature three-step program that is
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  called the fertility solution. And the three steps are detox,
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  nourish and flow. So what is this?
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  So in detox we remove what's getting in the way.
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  OK? So that can be inflammation,
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  toxins, hormone disruption, disruptors, chronic stress that
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  the body has adapted to, trauma, things like that.
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  So, and the reason why we do that is because you cannot build
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  a healthy pregnancy on top of chronic stress and inflammation,
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  your body will block it. So we need to remove that.
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  The second step is nourish. So here we rebuild the body.
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  So we we focus on nutrient density, hormone support and
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  regulating the nervous system so that the body actually feels
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  safe again. I am.
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  I have. I'm known for some mantras and
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  safety is one of the mantras. As I said earlier, if the
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  subconscious part of your brain thinks that you are in danger,
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  it will block a pregnancy and it always will.
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  Prioritize your survival before letting you get pregnant.
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  And fertility is not something that you force, is something
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  that you support. And the third step is flow.
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  And that's my favorite. And that's where we personalize
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  everything. Why?
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  Because of the principle of bio individuality, which means
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  everyone's very different. And what works for you might not
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  be what works for your neighbor or what works for your cousin,
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  or what worked for your mom. Every woman's very different,
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  her cycle, her patterns, her history.
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  And fertility only works when you work with your body and your
• 23:31
  system and not against it. So there's no one-size-fits-all
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  in fertility. And your body has its own
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  blueprint and it's really beautiful to find it and for
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  your body to open up and blossom.
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  And that's when we see miracles happen.
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  So these three-step process with all the details and a lot of
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  case studies are explained in our free master class.
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  You go to thefertilitysolution.com.
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  It's 1/2 an hour video, but totally worth your time.
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  And you don't need to work with me in order to follow this
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  process. So you'll understand the three
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  steps. You can do them on your own.
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  Obviously, if you want help, we're here as well.
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  Wow, that's awesome. And then but working with you
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  has benefits. I just feel like I'm all about
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  the when people want to DIY it right, get that or at least
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  figure it out or feel more comfortable or understand things
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  better. I'm kind of that brain where I
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  things need to make sense to me to do that.
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  But it you lack the support and the individuality because
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  somebody from the outside can see things in a way a through a
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  lens that you don't see them. Yes, yeah, that's absolutely
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  right. I mean, DIY ING your way through
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  fertility, it's OK for some people, but it's, it's not
• 24:52
  enough for most people. So, you know, like I've welcomed
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  more than 700 babies in my practice.
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  And I would say maybe 20% of these people would maybe could
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  have done that on their own because they were already on the
• 25:08
  right direction and I just pushed it and maybe accelerated
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  it. But 80% of them did need support
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  and we did great job at supporting them.
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  So you know, life is not made to be done alone.
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  You know, it takes a village for most things in life and
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  fertility is one of them. It's wonderful to accept people
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  and accept help from people who have the expertise and want to
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  support you and will nourish you and hold you every step of the
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  way. I think it's beautiful.
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  I do too. I mean, I totally believe in the
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  same philosophy. And I did foster care and we
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  have a lot of kids. And when one of my kids had a
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  baby, she said how did you do it?
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  And I'm like, I created a village.
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  So whether it's through fertility or your pregnancy or
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  even just as a mom navigating that.
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  And then you and I were both single moms for a while and
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  that's a different thing. And working versus staying home.
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  I I'm sure I would have muddled through, but I did it as well as
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  I did because I created a community and that would it's so
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  important. Community is important in terms
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  of help, but also in terms of your experience.
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  I always say to people I'm here for two things.
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  Obviously I'm here to get you as close as possible to your baby
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  and if these were a lottery, to get you all the lottery tickets
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  so that you can succeed at what you want to succeed, which is
• 26:37
  becoming apparent. That's one of the reasons why
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  I'm here. The other reason why I'm here is
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  to make this experience human enjoyable, to make it an
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  experience of growth for you and not just a torture and a
• 26:49
  sacrifice. And at the beginning they don't
• 26:52
  quite get it, but you know, like within two weeks they're like,
• 26:55
  Oh my God, I feel so not having to do the thinking and just
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  relaxing into the execution and having someone else do the
• 27:03
  thinking for me, who's done it so many times, who's, you know,
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  had so many babies and just relax into the execution.
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  You have on your website it says you have a 70% success rate.
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  So can you talk a little bit about that?
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  Because not everyone is going to end up getting pregnant,
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  unfortunately. Yeah, we have a 70 success rate
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  because of a number of things. Number one is we are selective,
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  OK, So to work with us, this is not, you know, everybody comes
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  in and everybody gets served. You know, my attention is
• 27:39
  limited, My time is limited. I am a single mom of three kids
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  and I give my all to my clients. I roll up my sleeves and I go in
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  the trenches with them, which means that I have a limited
• 27:49
  number of of clients. And once we get to that number,
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  there's a wait list. That's one thing.
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  And the second thing, sorry about this noise.
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  The second thing is we we are after a very specific profile of
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  couples and of women. Sometimes we work with women
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  alone. I like working with couples as
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  well because men are 50% of the equation and so many times we
• 28:17
  just ignore the fact that they are 50% of the equation.
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  So my programs inclusive for male as well.
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  And we are after a very specific profile and after a very
• 28:27
  specific attitude. So to work with me, you don't
• 28:29
  need to have certain labs or you don't need to pass certain tests
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  or you know, like certain age. But I will test your attitude,
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  your belief. Like do you believe that you are
• 28:41
  capable of getting pregnant? Mostly natural in some cases IVF
• 28:44
  where you are needed, but most of the times they're not.
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  Are you coachable? Not everybody's coachable.
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  Some people push back all the time.
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  I cannot work with you if you're pushing back on me all the time,
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  not because of my ego, but because always I cannot help
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  you. And once we see people here for
• 29:03
  the right reasons, they have the right attitude and and we're
• 29:07
  going to be a good match to work together.
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  And then we invite them to join our program.
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  Now, once they're in our program, I have heard from other
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  people two things about us 1 is that it's a very comprehensive
• 29:21
  program. So I leave no stone unturned.
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  That's why success rate is very high because we elevate
• 29:28
  fertility from every angle. And the second thing that
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  happens is that I am with them all the time.
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  So it's a high, high touch point program.
• 29:39
  So they have two group meetings a week with me.
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  They have private meetings with me and they have unlimited
• 29:45
  texting with me. And I will say I am the queen of
• 29:49
  a voice notes. I love them.
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  You learn Spanish, Yes. So we are in daily communication
• 29:55
  first. First thing in the morning they
• 29:56
  send me their hormones and through the day we we talk, we
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  have dialogues, we have back and forth so they feel held and
• 30:05
  nourished every step of the way. I was the same with my doula
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  clients when I was in private practice.
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  I mean, the interview isn't for you to hire me.
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  It's also for me to hire you. And not everybody's a good fit.
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  And I'd rather have you go to someone that's a good fit then
• 30:20
  square peg in a round hole 'cause I'm not it for everyone.
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  And I think that that's important for people to
• 30:25
  remember. And then, yeah, you're limited,
• 30:27
  Your bandwidth is limited into how much you can do.
• 30:30
  So my doula clients were the same same way we had childbirth
• 30:35
  education classes they could come to and you know, one on
• 30:38
  ones and then unlimited texts. And there is a limit to how much
• 30:42
  you can take on. Tell me I want to end with like
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  something really happy because that's my thing, not the people
• 30:52
  who do not get in the program or not the success rate.
• 30:55
  But I know you have testimonials on your page and that's great.
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  But for you personally, what have been, maybe it's even a
• 31:05
  common thread in what makes you really 'cause you've been doing
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  this for 17 years now. So what's a common thread in
• 31:14
  what you see bringing joy? I know the pregnancy.
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  I get that because that's the goal and community is there.
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  Is there anything else or a situation that you just think
• 31:24
  about when things are tough or why your why that you keep doing
• 31:28
  this? I myself have enjoyed and I
• 31:34
  still enjoy being a mom so much. It gives me so much purpose.
• 31:38
  So it is my passion to help couples and women who have that
• 31:42
  same vocation to be parents. It is my passion to help them
• 31:47
  and it is my passion to educate on the fact that fertility is
• 31:51
  not something you force, it's something that you create
• 31:55
  conditions for. You create the right conditions
• 31:57
  for fertility and when those conditions are right, the body
• 32:00
  knows exactly what to do. So I want to end with an
• 32:04
  empowering message of you are not broken.
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  You still have like I want to give you hope.
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  And it's about creating the right conditions for you
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  specifically so that your body opens up and says yes to a
• 32:16
  pregnancy. And it's very possible.
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  Sonya, thank you so much for being on and for what you do.
• 32:24
  Thank you so much for having me, it's been an absolute pleasure.