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Stop Building on Chaos: The Systems Your Business Actually Needs with Butch Santucci

Are you scaling your business… or just stacking more chaos on top of shaky foundations?

In this powerful Catalyst Conversations guest episode, Desi sits down with Butch Santucci, founder of Better Biz Performance, to talk about the one thing most entrepreneurs avoid until burnout hits: operational structure.

Because here’s the truth — businesses rarely fail from lack of talent or ambition. They struggle when growth outpaces the systems designed to support it.

This conversation blends practical business insight with grounded leadership wisdom, helping you understand how to build structure…

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