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History of the WWF Winged Eagle World Championship · ABJ

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  What's going on everybody? ABJBP Burke not Live Today.
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  So don't go in the chats and be like why are they ignoring us?
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  This is pre recorded because BP wants to watch his birds play
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  the Cowboys. So for your entertainment, we're
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  going to bring to you the WWF Eagle Winged Eagle Championship.
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  For the entire decade, the WWF Winged Eagle World Heavyweight
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  Championship set at the very top of the wrestling mountain.
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  From Hulk Hogan's larger than life reigns to Bret Hart's
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  precision from Shawn Michaels boyhood dream, the birth of the
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  Attitude Era, this belt was not just surprised, it was a symbol
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  of excellence. Today we deep dive into the
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  history of the Winged Eagle Championship, how it came to be,
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  the legends who wore it, the controversies that shaped it,
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  and why even after decades after it's retired, fans still call it
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  the most beautiful title belt ever made.
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  Let's get on with the show. BP Burke, what's going on?
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  It didn't even dawn on me until you said that, that we are doing
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  a pre taped show about a belt with an eagle on it because I
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  want to watch the eagles so. Yes, yeah, today is very.
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  Good synergy, very good synergy and hopefully at this point it's
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  a kickoff is what like it. This is about eight O 6.
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  Kickoff is about 15 minutes away.
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  The banner's probably been unfurled.
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  It's going to be a fun time. Jerry Jones has to eat once
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  again. Look at a a a banner that's not
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  his. He does.
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  Somebody else in the No, he doesn't.
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  He doesn't actually want to the football team to be good.
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  He just wants to make money off it.
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  Yeah, pretty much. But anyway, we're not here to
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  talk about that. We're going to talk about
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  wrestling. Yeah, well, real quick before we
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  start, BP got got me some Oktoberfest, Yingling, I got
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  some tropes and, and Yingling Oktoberfest.
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  So I'm gonna, I'm gonna crack one of those as we get started
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  here. BP, the Winged Eagle
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  Championship. Where does this rank for you as
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  favored belts when it when it comes to the rains, the history
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  of the whole 9. Without going into all of that,
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  probably #2I. I, I, I'm kind of back and forth
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  on if number 2 is that for me or the WCW United States title?
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  But I can't get, I think it's as CM Punk, we call it the eagle
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  because CM Punk very astutely put it, well, all eagles have
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  wings. Agreed, agreed, I told.
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  I'm with CM Punk. I mean, I'm normally with always
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  with CM Punk, but even more so on this one.
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  Yeah, no. And but yeah, it, it, it's a,
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  it's a title that has really firmly, firmly, firmly establish
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  itself in the in the zeitgeist to professional wrestling,
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  especially now because maybe not so much for like people who are
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  coming in now. Like it, it, it, it, it really
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  makes you think about how old you are when like people like,
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  oh, I grew up watching John Cena.
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  Now he's retiring. And I'm like, when John Cena
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  started, I was like in my mid 20s.
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  So I'm old. Well, not my early 20s, I'm,
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  I'm, I'm not that old, but yeah, so this is like the belt of my
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  childhood. This is my my formative time
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  watching wrestling from like 1988 to 1998 is probably, well,
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  it is the 1st 10 years I can consciously remember.
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  I mean, I was watching wrestling since I was a baby, but like I
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  can consciously remember watching wrestling.
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  It's it's this title. Yeah, this this title is the
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  same with me. This is this is my this is my
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  favorite title. This is the title I grew up
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  watching this from. Like you said in the intro, I
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  mean it went from Hogan to to Brett to Sean and a few people
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  in between. But this is this is
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  quintessential the the belt like who like that run of titles and
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  champions was to me my favorite time of pro wrestling.
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  So it, it is my favorite title and it's the first title for me
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  that or that era where like Sean, I never really had like, I
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  mean, I grew up as a Washington fan and, and stuff like that.
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  I mean, it's hard to say. I, I mean, I'm kind of acting
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  like a, a fan who hasn't really experienced much.
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  But like growing up, I was a Chicago Bulls fan.
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  So I had a pretty good stretch start for a bit at Washington.
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  I mean, you were you were pretty young, but Washington one of
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  them What, 1992 like? Yeah, but here's the thing.
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  My dad only, like, I didn't know my dad was a Washington fan
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  until much, much. I'm only 86, so 92.
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  I'm like, I don't give a shit about professional football.
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  Like I just don't care. It was pro wrestling Ninja
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  Turtles. Like that's all, yeah, that's
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  all I cared about. But yeah.
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  So when when that when that came about, it was just, I don't
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  know, I I didn't really care. But like, Shawn Michaels is the
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  first guy that I, I got to watch win the title.
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  And it it it's it really sealed for me.
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  What like what made the championship, you know what I
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  mean? And just like it, it made it
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  feel special. And I was like, I I got to watch
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  that guy hold it up. And I was like, oh, this is this
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  is cool, you know? But yeah, so, so I as the show
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  goes, I will present and show off my new title, which is based
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  off of the Winged Eagle. It's it's sitting up over there.
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  I have two versions of it. I got the the one I did unboxing
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  for on the channel, the one I got from Amazon, the Shawn
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  Michaels one that's supposed to be the WE Shop replica.
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  It's not. And then I got my new custom
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  belt made by Cody. I don't know what his business
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  name is yet, so I can't really put that over, but I will as
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  soon as he gets it set up. Now there's two versions of his
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  belt BP, There's a secondary version which I think it's a lot
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  more love than the first, but some people really like the
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  first one too. So the first one that Hogan wore
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  when it was kind of introduced was this dual plated version
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  where it's the silver backdrop with the gold, the heavyweights
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  blended in with the gold, and then there's the all gold
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  version with the solid black heavyweight across the front.
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  Which one do you prefer? Oh, that one, the one that's on
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  the screen now with the solid gold is.
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  The solid gold, so that that was more of the I believe Brett
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  ushered in that belt, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Yeah, that that I don't know about.
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  I know Hogan, at least for his first reign, like people really
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  do associate that title with Hogan.
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  And he did have it like especially in the 90s, but in
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  the 80s really, or that first run that Hogan's really known
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  for from 84 to 88. He only wore that design
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  literally one time, but it happened to be the the debut for
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  this title belt is the first or probably it's definitely the
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  most watched professional wrestling match in the United
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  States ever. It may be the most watched
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  professional wrestling match, although they do say it's
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  consider a Nokia and Ali's fight a professional wrestling match.
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  It was a work that kind of turned into a shoot that was
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  more than likely more watched. But Hogan, Andre on the main
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  event on NBC in 1988 before a few, a few weeks before
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  WrestleMania 4 or a few months before WrestleMania 4.
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  That is the, the pinnacle of professional wrestling ratings.
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  Like we talk about ratings now. And if a show gets like 2 or
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  3,000,000 viewers, it's doing amazing things on TV.
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  Hogan and Andre in a in a very different TV universe where
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  cable TV is kind of in its infancy.
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  It's starting to become a little more popular, but there's no
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  YouTube, there's no streaming services, there's no Internet
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  besides like the the Department of Defense and stuff.
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  At this point, 33 million people watch Andre the Giant with a
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  referee who had plastic surgery to look like Dave Hebner giving
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  him a big assist. It totally was an Earl.
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  They they're all joining in to see Andre the Giant and the four
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  plus year reign of Hulk Hogan. And then he gives the as he said
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  he is going to give the WWF Tag Team Championship to Ted
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  Dibiase. And he he sold the belt to
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  Dibiase, who actually does defend it once or twice on house
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  shows before Jack, Tony, the president steps in and says you
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  can't buy a championship. And we could the WrestleMania 4
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  tournament. But I may be getting ahead of
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  myself. So who created this title?
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  Reggie Parks. Reggie Parks The sometimes
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  wrestlers. Sometimes I, I think he did have
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  a, a bit of a run in wrestling. Reggie Parks was a very famous
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  wrestling bell creator. He unfortunately did pass away
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  due to COVID-19 a few years ago during the pandemic.
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  I believe he was in his 80s. But Reggie Parks is the, the,
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  the brains behind the, the, the legendary Winged Eagle title.
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  He, he made a lot of major championships in that era.
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  And I think on the last show we did, I promised a Reggie Parks
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  story and it's more of an Owen Hart story than a Reggie Parks
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  story. But, and and Brett says this was
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  WrestleMania 4. My suspicion is it may have been
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  WrestleMania 5 because Owen was working for the WWF at that
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  point. It's a Blue Blazer in in 84 or
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  88 when WrestleMania 4 was happening, which was one of the
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  big early moments for this title.
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  At that point, Owen was wrestling in for New Japan.
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  But Brett has a hotel room in Atlantic City.
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  Wrestlemania's in Atlantic City again or for the first time if
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  it's WrestleMania 4. And Stu was staying with him.
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  He brought his parents to to come to to WrestleMania with
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  him. And Brett gets a call in his
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  hotel room and the guy says, hey, this is Reggie Parks.
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  And Brett's like, OK, Sounds like Reggie.
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  The Reggie had come through Stampede.
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  He was one of the victims of the Dungeon.
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  He wrestled for Stampede for a little bit.
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  He would come back and visit the Hearts.
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  He was very close with with the Heart family.
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  And he Reggie says, can I talk to your dad?
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  And so Brett hands the phone over to Stu.
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  Hey, hey, Reggie, how you doing Reggie?
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  And Brett says as this conversation goes on, Stu is
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  getting more and more agitated. He's getting more and more
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  angry. He's getting more and more
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  animated. And from what he understands, at
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  some point, Reggie Parks, I'm going to use quotes here.
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  Reggie Parks says, Hey, you know, Stu, I, I, I respect that
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  you never really wanted me to try it because you knew I could
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  beat you. And like that.
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  That's not something you say to Stu Hart.
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  You're like, Reggie, if if you wanted to try me, you should
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  have tried me or why didn't you try me?
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  He's just getting angry and angrier.
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  And eventually you find out it's just Owen Heart messing with his
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  dad, which was such a typical Owen Heart thing.
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  He also didn't he also make the UFC title I believe.
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  He may have I I'm not sure everything that Reggie Parks
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  made, but he was one of the early prolific makers before
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  like Dave Milliken and a lot of the other guys would make make
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  belts a little bit later. Reggie Parks is one of the first
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  guys to to make them pretty widespread.
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  Yeah, yeah. So the this belt does kick off
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  with with Hogan wearing it. I just want to get you.
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  Back on track one time, one time it kicks off with Hogan wearing
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  it and then it it. Then Andre gets it.
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  He sells it. You can't sell it.
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  There are, I don't know if there's video, but there are
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  pictures of Dibiase wearing it and I think it was at the Boston
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  Garden because it was on Nessen, which is like the MSG Network
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  for Boston or Prism back in the day for Boston they had Nessen
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  and it says Ted Dibiase, WWF, World WWF Heavyweight Champion
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  or World Wrestling Federation Champion.
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  I think it was the verbiage they used.
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  He had it, but he's never credited as being a.
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  No, no, it's one of those unofficial reigns because it
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  was. It got Dusty finished where they
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  said you can't. Because in modern time, if you
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  look at people who've held, like me, just doing research on this
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  and the people who held this title and people who grew credit
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  for holding this title, Dibiase does not get credit, but Kevin
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  Owens does. Well, he, well, he didn't really
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  hold the title. But they credit him as being a
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  title holder because he's he like he 'cause he walks around.
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  I don't think it's official. I'm saying the the Internet lure
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  Credit credits him for being a person who.
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  Yeah, well, that being said, the Internet lure can credit
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  Dibiase, too. The Internet lure can credit me.
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  I was never the champion. So there's been official lineage
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  in neither. Well, no.
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  Kevin Owens was never the WWE Champion.
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  No, he was not. He was.
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  He was even the champion. It was universal champion, but.
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  And it was actually vacated. Do you know where the?
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  WWF title after Dibiase a few times.
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  You know what location it was vacated.
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  No. It was vacated on Superstars of
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  Wrestling in February 13th, 1988 in Hershey.
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  Pennsylvania, Oh yeah. They they would do a lot of
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  tapings in Hershey, Hershey, Indianapolis.
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  I think Indianapolis is where the Hogan Andre match happened.
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  Yeah, I just get excited when stuff happens in Pennsylvania.
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  Yeah, Hershey would, Hershey would.
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  Well, I mean, obviously if you go back farther, Hamburg and
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  Allentown have pretty much all the TV tapings, but that that
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  got kind of cut out around 8586. So, yeah, at this point, I yeah,
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  I wasn't, I didn't know it was been Hershey, but Jack honey, it
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  was probably in a video. Jack honey, I declare the the
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  championship vacant so Jack Tony would.
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  Be very, very upset with you. He shouldn't be.
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  Jack Tony should be or Randy Savage should be very happy with
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  Jack Tony for that. Was the one promo where he says
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  he goes. I'm very, very upset with you,
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  Jack. Tony.
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  Hill as or as Bobby Heenan would call him, Jack on the take.
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  Tony. Yeah, so.
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  And and to me still, even though he was very wooden, he didn't
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  really get involved a lot. But he was the gold standard of
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  authority figures for to me because he didn't.
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  You saw Jack Tunney 3 * a year and it was important every time
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  you did it was to make some kind of proclaim.
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  It was like the King coming down to make his proclamation.
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  They should have somebody should have came from Jack Tunney's
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  office with stone tablets. It was like when it was like
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  when Moses came down from the mountain when Jack Tunney
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  talked. But he, he in fact, he has a
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  rare and back then you only really saw him at events like in
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  person and not on the pre tape because he probably didn't want
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  to leave Canada, probably don't want to leave his cushy job
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  where he got a percentage of the gate for all the events in
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  Toronto for doing nothing and that and the whatever he got
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  paid for being the figurehead president of the WWF.
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  He was at WrestleMania 4. Because what happens is Jack,
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  Tony rules. Hulk Hogan is not the champion.
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  He lost the match. Andre the Giant is not the
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  champion. He he surrendered the title.
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  Ted Dibiase is not the champion. You cannot buy the title.
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  You can only win it by Penn Faller's submission.
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  So we are going to have a tournament at WrestleMania 4A14
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  man tournament to determine the new WWF champion.
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  Hogan and Andre get a buy in the second round because they were
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  the last two official champions. And there's always been a lot of
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  lore behind this that there was always stories.
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  I don't know how true they are or how untrue they are that
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  Dibiase was originally supposed to win that tournament at
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  WrestleMania 4. Macho Man was the the thing.
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  The urban legend you always hear is Macho Man was supposed to be
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  Honky Tonk man for the Intercontinental title at
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  WrestleMania and or at some point prior to that or just
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  after that. And that Dibiase was supposed to
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  win the title and either lose it to Savage at SummerSlam or lose
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  it back to Hogan at SummerSlam. But then it depends on the story
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  you believe. Either the Honky Tonk Man
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  threatened to leave and go to the N.W.A and not drop the title
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  unless he was able to keep it for a little bit longer.
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  There's also a story about they were, that was around the time
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  they were thinking we, they were going to get Ric Flair.
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  If you wonder, one of our what ifs we did way back when was Ric
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  Flair coming to the WWF. That was, this was around one of
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  those times where there was talk that Ric Flair is going to come
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  to the WWF and at SummerSlam night, the first SummerSlam,
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  it's going to be Randy Savage against, against Ric Flair.
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  Obviously that didn't happen and well, we got it.
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  We got it a few years later and it was very, very good.
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  It was very, very good. So whatever the machinations
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  are, Randy Savage wins the title at WrestleMania 4, and this is
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  back when they would book so far out ahead that we already know
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  when he's going to lose it. Yeah.
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  Is is Hogan? Is Hogan still?
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  Is he doing movies at this time? Is this why they're they put the
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  ball? Yeah.
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  So yeah, So Savage is one of the title because in 1988, Hogan's
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  going to take a few months off to go film the whole spark, and
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  he's going to make a few appearances.
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  He's going to wrestle with some of the big shows.
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  He wrestled at SummerSlam, He wrestled here and there.
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  They did an injury angle in the around like September or October
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  with the big boss man and he was out for a while there.
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  But yeah, this really was to to kind of write Hogan off a little
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  bit because he's going to make no holds part WWS making a
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  movie. And so Savage gets the ball here
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  and and and you know, box office did go down and Hogan was a draw
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  at this point. Hogan was synonymous with
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  professional wrestling. He was the guy.
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  And so Savage did a few house show runs with Dibiase.
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  In fact, the first wrestling show I ever saw I think was in
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  like August or September of 1988, five years old.
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  The main event of it was Savage defending that winged eagle
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  against Dibiase in a cage. And then he, I think he had a
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  house show program with Bad News Brown after a few loops with DB
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  Aussie. And then at that point, it's
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  time to start turning Savage heel because the plan all along
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  was about the holster heaven. Lust in his eyes for Elizabeth.
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  Yeah. And real, just that kind of
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  recap. So before Hogan wins this title
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  and he and he's crowned as that champion, he's on a 1474 day run
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  with the with the World Heavyweight champ with the WWF
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  World Heavyweight Championship after beating the Iron Sheik and
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  it getting converted from the National Wrestling Alliance,
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  World Wrestling Federation. Championship, it was never
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  called that. Yeah, but the I mean the when
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  the title kind of changed. Yeah, it was technically WWF.
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  Yeah, it was WWF at that point 'cause I think WWWF went away in
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  like 798081, but they withdrew from the N.W.A in 1983.
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  So I believe when they officially withdrew from the
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  N.W.A, Bob Backlund was still the champion.
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  And it was, it definitely was a different title.
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  It was the big. It's the one you'll see a lot in
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  older things, as the one Hogan originally won was the big green
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  one. The green.
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  And the green? Title.
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  It almost looked like the 24/7 title that they had for a little
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  bit, except the strap was a lot wider because it plates on it
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  with the names of former champions.
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  But Backlund loses out to Chic and then Chic as a transition
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  champion loses at the Hogan in early 84.
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  But at that point, WWF is already they they had a seat on
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  the board, but they never really acknowledged the N.W.A champion.
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  And they weren't called like N.W.A Worldwide Wrestling
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  Federation or anything like that.
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  But there was enough respect for Vince and J McMahon, Vince's
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  Vince McMahon's father that he he maintained a seat on the
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  N.W.A board. He had a vote on the champion
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  there. There were, you know, a lot of
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  things that that they come into play.
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  So Andre holds it for less than a day because he wins it.
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  About two minutes. Yeah.
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  And then immediately hands it over to W Dibiase, who on paper
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  has it for 8 days. Then it gets vacated.
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  And then Savage, when he we just talked about it, goes on a 371
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  day reign and then Hulk Hogan takes it back for 364 days.
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  At WrestleMania 5, Hogan, Hogan wins that back.
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  A lot of people will maintain like they could have gotten some
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  more mileage out of that. They could have had Savage win
• 19:20
  that by some kind of cheating or Hogan wins by DQ and run it back
• 19:25
  at SummerSlam. And it would have done better
• 19:27
  than Hogan and beefcake against Savage and Zeus.
• 19:29
  But I guess at that point they got a movie to run.
• 19:31
  They got a movie to promote, and so they want to really use Zeus
• 19:34
  for it. But yeah, that Hogan reign at
• 19:36
  that point. Hogan does a run with Savage.
• 19:39
  In fact, they were going to have a match because Savage becomes
• 19:42
  the Macho King. They were going to have a match
• 19:45
  for another one of those, the main event specials where it was
• 19:48
  going to be Hogan against Macho Man with Mike Tyson as the
• 19:52
  referee. But a few weeks or a few months
• 19:56
  before that happens, Mike Tyson is knocked out by James Buster
• 20:00
  Douglas in Tokyo. So they quick make a deal to
• 20:03
  have Buster Douglas be the referee and strike while the
• 20:07
  iron's hot there. And yeah, but there was talk
• 20:11
  about like, oh, they might want to do Hulk Hogan and Zeus at
• 20:13
  WrestleMania. I don't think that was going to
• 20:15
  happen. The whole bar was a flop.
• 20:16
  And Zeus was kind of written off in the end of 1989.
• 20:20
  So at some point it becomes pretty clear that the match
• 20:22
  they're going to do in 1990, the rare babyface versus babyface,
• 20:26
  the ultimate challenge, it's going to be Hulk Hogan and The
• 20:29
  Ultimate Warrior. Yeah, go looking at that now.
• 20:34
  Are you a fan of that match? Yes, I haven't seen them in a
• 20:36
  long time, but it's one of it's it's the probably second best
• 20:39
  match The Ultimate Warrior ever had.
• 20:41
  It's very, it's very produced, it's very choreographed, but it
• 20:46
  was the best they could have done.
• 20:47
  And Hulk Hogan, for all the slings and arrows he takes, was
• 20:50
  a is a better worker than he ever got credit for, especially.
• 20:53
  I would agree with that. He's he's not, he's not like,
• 20:56
  like here's the problem. I think people have in their
• 20:58
  head what a good professional wrestler is.
• 21:01
  And and that's kind of vague because everyone has their own
• 21:04
  style. Everyone has their own take.
• 21:06
  Some people lean into four or five moves.
• 21:08
  Some people can chain wrestle. Some people are good at high
• 21:10
  flying. And Hogan did a lot of that in
• 21:12
  Japan. Yeah, You could be a luchador
• 21:14
  style. You could be strong style.
• 21:15
  Like there's a so many different ice cream flavors of a wrestler
• 21:18
  you can be. And and Hogan was good at being
• 21:21
  Hogan. Like it was kind of a hard
• 21:24
  person to have a bad match with if unless he didn't want to give
• 21:28
  you a good match. Or, or I mean, I, I think what a
• 21:32
  lot of people really disliked, especially at that time was how
• 21:36
  formulaic Hogan's matches are. But then so are Ric Flair's.
• 21:38
  Ric Flair's matches were not that.
• 21:40
  I mean, not that's a completely different topic for completely
• 21:43
  different show. But that was Bret Hart's big,
• 21:45
  big criticism of Ric Flair was he had the same match every
• 21:48
  night. Hogan kind of did too at this
• 21:50
  point because they had a formula and it worked.
• 21:52
  Hogan, it's a lot of heat. Hogan gets beat to death for
• 21:58
  most of the match. Does his Superman comeback at
• 22:01
  the end, Hulks up, couple of punches, blocks a punch, couple
• 22:04
  of punches, big boot, body slam. If you're fat, leg drop 123,
• 22:09
  it's over. And if you didn't like that
• 22:12
  formula, you probably didn't like Hulk Hogan matches at the
• 22:15
  time. And that's understandable.
• 22:17
  And what I but I thought that the Hogan Warrior match was
• 22:21
  really well laid out. I haven't watched it in years,
• 22:24
  but it was one, it was the first Wrestleman I ever saw live.
• 22:26
  It was like the second pay-per-view I ever saw live and
• 22:29
  I was rooting for the Lawyer, so I was very happy that night.
• 22:31
  First time we're going to have world champion too, where the
• 22:34
  World championship and the Intercontinental champion are
• 22:36
  held by the same guy. Not for long because they made
• 22:38
  him vacate the IC title. Yeah, but then like immediately,
• 22:41
  well, we're seeing that the the devil champ, like the visual of
• 22:44
  him holding both. Titles, I want to say the only
• 22:46
  time I don't think anybody ever had both of those titles I at
• 22:50
  the same time after that. You might be right.
• 22:53
  You might be right. The closest I think is when they
• 22:56
  started, when Triple H was handed the World Heavyweight
• 22:58
  title. When they initially did, the
• 22:59
  roster split. They absorbed all the other
• 23:01
  titles into that. They had a match.
• 23:03
  It was for the Intercontinental title.
• 23:05
  What was the Inter? It was Kane and Triple H, and
• 23:06
  Kane was Intercontinental champion.
• 23:08
  It was like we're getting rid of the Intercontinental title,
• 23:10
  whoever wins this match as the world champion.
• 23:12
  I I will say that without using the IC, I mean, so a bunch of
• 23:17
  people have held the world championship and the tag team.
• 23:19
  Championship. Oh yeah, even before that Bruno,
• 23:21
  I believe Bruno did. I think Sean.
• 23:23
  Had Sean had the European and the world heavyweight?
• 23:26
  Championship. Yeah, that was the infamous when
• 23:29
  he changed the finish on Davey Boy after he dedicated the match
• 23:32
  to his dying sister. Fuck him, right?
• 23:34
  No. Yeah, just a visual of the
• 23:38
  Warrior match too. That I that I always get excited
• 23:40
  and even today when I watch wrestling, that I always say
• 23:43
  like, oh, when someone has face paint and they go through war
• 23:45
  and the the paint's worn off and like the Warriors pretty much
• 23:48
  completely unmasked or unpainted and he's just holding up two
• 23:52
  titles is a good visual. And this was like a a change in
• 23:56
  the guard passing the torch moment.
• 23:58
  It's like Hogan's not really leaving, but he's going to make
• 24:01
  Suburban Commando now, like shortly after this they do
• 24:03
  another injury angle or earthquake puts him on the shelf
• 24:06
  because he's going to film Suburban Commando.
• 24:07
  It's like, all right, well, Hogan's it was kind of like when
• 24:10
  Roman Reigns was becoming the man and John Cena would come in
• 24:13
  every now and then or like Roman Reigns now when Cody Rhodes is
• 24:16
  the man, but Roman Reigns is going to come in and make some
• 24:19
  appearances too. So he was, you have your number
• 24:23
  one babyface and then your number one babyface emeritus.
• 24:26
  And and this was Hogan kind of sliding to that role that Bruno
• 24:30
  kind of had during Hogan's run where and Backlund's run even
• 24:34
  where. OK, yeah, we have this new guy
• 24:36
  we're we're building the company around, but we have our elder
• 24:39
  statesman babyface, who you calling an elder brother that is
• 24:42
  going to she was like 40 at the time.
• 24:47
  We have this elder babyface who was going to, you know, be there
• 24:50
  too and have and be an attraction.
• 24:52
  Except the Warrior didn't do too well box office wise.
• 24:55
  He had a run with Rick Rude. But even it's SummerSlam,
• 24:58
  SummerSlam 90. It's a double main event.
• 25:01
  It's Hogan and Earthquake and Rude and Warrior and Ruden.
• 25:03
  Warrior goes on last, but there's noticeably more crowd
• 25:06
  reaction for Hogan and Earthquake.
• 25:07
  So it's like I like Ruden. I like Ruden Warriors story, I
• 25:11
  thought. Yeah, well, mostly because I
• 25:13
  love how Rude sold it as the bad guy.
• 25:16
  Right, but I would have loved Rick a Rick Rude World
• 25:18
  Heavyweight Championship. Run Yeah.
• 25:19
  Well, back back in the day, like you didn't, the belt wasn't
• 25:24
  passed around like candy like it is now.
• 25:26
  Well, now it's not so much. But for a while it was like, you
• 25:28
  get to the Attitude Era, forget it.
• 25:30
  But for a while it was like past.
• 25:31
  And even now, like there's so many titles, there's like two
• 25:33
  different world champions and, you know, AW, half the roster's
• 25:37
  a champion. So it's back then it was like,
• 25:40
  OK, if you're world champion, you're Intercontinental champion
• 25:42
  and your tag champions and that world title was very protected.
• 25:47
  Guys like Roddy Piper never won it.
• 25:48
  Guys like Dibiase, Mr. Perfect, Rick Rude, never.
• 25:52
  Especially if you were a heel. If you were a heel, you're
• 25:55
  probably going to be a transitional champion literally
• 25:58
  until a guy we're going to talk about in a second here there was
• 26:01
  before a guy we're going to talk about in a minute or two here.
• 26:05
  The only long term heel champion was superstar Billy Graham and
• 26:07
  he got a baby face reaction from a lot of people so.
• 26:11
  So Warriors gonna hold her for 293 days and then our next guy
• 26:14
  is gonna hold her for 64 days? Speaking of transitional
• 26:18
  champions, yeah, and here it is the.
• 26:20
  Sarge. I I get why Sarge wins storyline
• 26:25
  wise. Well, do you?
• 26:26
  Know according to Bruce Prichard, what the original plan
• 26:28
  was. And I don't know if this is true
• 26:29
  or I I guess it's true. We had no reason to lie about
• 26:31
  this. But he said because, and like
• 26:35
  you would always have Hulk Hogan's buddy who would turn on
• 26:37
  him, Randy Savage, Paul Lorndorf, They were a bunch of
• 26:40
  them. So at this point, Hogan's new
• 26:42
  buddy was Tugboat, whose gimmick was he was a Tugboat.
• 26:47
  He wore a sailor hat and a sailor outfit.
• 26:49
  And you go. But there's a lot of what Bruce
• 26:54
  Prichard has said is WrestleMania 7 the original
• 26:56
  idea? Because they knew there was this
• 26:58
  conflict in the Middle East. They knew when they wanted to to
• 27:00
  bank on that. But it was going to be Hulk
• 27:02
  Hogan against the evil chic Tugboat, which I don't know if
• 27:08
  that would have worked. That guy, that guy is probably
• 27:12
  second in the running for gimmicks.
• 27:14
  Would you say he's up there? He has a lot.
• 27:18
  Tugboat had a lot of games. Mainstream not really he had I
• 27:22
  mean if you if you want to count like big steel man in Florida,
• 27:26
  maybe we. Had tugboat typhoon shock shock
• 27:29
  master? Didn't he have another one in
• 27:31
  there too? Well, it was super shock Master,
• 27:33
  but it was still Shock Master, Yeah.
• 27:36
  Tugboat and Typhoon were kind of the same guy, just a different.
• 27:39
  Yeah, yeah, it was mean. It was evil.
• 27:41
  Tugboat. He was Tugboat.
• 27:42
  But I'm a bad guy now. I loved earthquake and typhoon.
• 27:45
  Lots of disasters were great. They were awesome, but I don't
• 27:49
  think Chic Tugboat would have worked.
• 27:50
  No, I don't know. No, like, but yeah, he's had a
• 27:53
  few gimmicks, but he's not like Brutus, Beef Hicker or Repo Man.
• 27:57
  He might be the one of the guys too that I've met in person that
• 28:01
  like generally was I was taken back by his demeanor and the way
• 28:05
  he carries himself and the way he talks like he was kind of a
• 28:09
  nerd, like he's a nice. Smoking Man Yeah, he's a very
• 28:12
  sweet. He's a big sweetheart.
• 28:14
  Like he's I got meeting him, I was like, yo, you were the
• 28:16
  natural disasters. And he's just like, yeah, I had
• 28:19
  a lot of like, he kind of had like a real soft yeah.
• 28:22
  They say earthquake was like that too.
• 28:23
  He was very reserved, very humble, very soft spoken as
• 28:26
  well. Yeah.
• 28:27
  So CSO Slaughter, Sergeant Slaughter comes back, does the
• 28:32
  Iraqi sympathizer gimmick, turns his back on the United States.
• 28:36
  He has his curly boots and he says we're a personal gift from
• 28:39
  Saddam Hussein. They act like he's going to burn
• 28:42
  an American flag, but he burns Hulk Hogan shirt instead.
• 28:45
  And this didn't really get over it.
• 28:49
  It it, it did to a degree, but and, and wrestling was cooling
• 28:52
  off as a whole and and the steroid scandal was starting to
• 28:55
  peek through and, and that golden era is really going to a
• 28:58
  close. I was trying to think of this
• 28:59
  when I came in because this title really bridges the the
• 29:02
  golden era to the attitude era and everything in between, which
• 29:05
  is the new generation. So I'm thinking like, when did
• 29:07
  the golden era end? Is it WrestleMania 5 or
• 29:09
  WrestleMania 6? Hogan Warrior, Because that's
• 29:11
  when it peaked. Like the attitude era peaks at
• 29:13
  WrestleMania 17. I think the goal there are peaks
• 29:16
  at WrestleMania 6 with Hogan and Warrior.
• 29:18
  You could argue peaks at WrestleMania 3 but it still goes
• 29:20
  on for a while after that. But it's definitely over.
• 29:23
  I think when when Slaughter beats Warrior.
• 29:25
  Yeah, I would. For me, what I would consider
• 29:30
  new generation, this is all like very vague for me is I would say
• 29:37
  maybe going from flair to Savage to flair to Hart.
• 29:43
  I think it's, I think the new generation kicks off when you go
• 29:45
  from Flair to Brett. Actually, I take, I'm gonna, I'm
• 29:49
  gonna, I'm gonna walk that back. I think it officially begins
• 29:52
  when Hulk Hogan leaves for good. Well, at least until 2000.
• 29:55
  Brett brought in a different era of professional wrestling that I
• 29:58
  just thought changed the landscape of WWE.
• 30:01
  Oh yeah, yeah. I, I honestly think that this
• 30:03
  title in, in my opinion, I'm, I don't want to be the guy to be
• 30:06
  like my generation was the best generation, but like I, I truly
• 30:11
  feel, I feel like Brett, Brett was the guy who killed the
• 30:14
  giants, the Titans, all the old school guys and Brett brought in
• 30:17
  this new era. And then and kind of killed the
• 30:20
  box office tool for being honest.
• 30:21
  Yeah. Sure it it it did.
• 30:23
  That wasn't that was. That wasn't Brett's fault.
• 30:26
  It changed the landscape of what wrestling was going to become
• 30:29
  going forward. Who is drag racing near your
• 30:32
  house? I have no idea.
• 30:34
  For real quick, Brian's streets are as big as his beer can so I
• 30:37
  don't know how that guy got that much engine on that stretch of
• 30:40
  Rd. That's wild.
• 30:42
  But then and then Sean, Sean changed.
• 30:46
  He brought in the era of sports entertainment like he, you know
• 30:49
  what I mean? Like the the winged eagle
• 30:51
  between just those two guys in general.
• 30:53
  Hogan. Hogan, I think Hogan brought in
• 30:55
  the air of sports entertainment. Yeah, Hogan, I mean, but Sean
• 30:58
  with that new era where like that's where people be like, oh,
• 31:00
  you're a Sean or a Brett guy because like the styles were so
• 31:03
  close, but yeah, it. Became the new Hogan.
• 31:05
  Hogan or Savage, it became that. Yeah, but yeah, so savage.
• 31:10
  Sorry, Savage wins the title. We're on Sergeant Slaughter now.
• 31:14
  For, for. Oh, sorry, I I jumped ahead too
• 31:16
  much. Yeah, Sergeant Slaughter's gonna
• 31:17
  hold her for 64 days, and then he's going to drop it back to
• 31:22
  the Golden Boy here. Hulk Hogan Hulkamania rides
• 31:26
  again and must pose. Hogan must pose, especially when
• 31:30
  business is starting to dip because Warrior did not have the
• 31:33
  box office power. Nearly the box office power of
• 31:35
  Hulk Hogan scandal is starting to trickle in.
• 31:38
  They're starting to be like little things.
• 31:40
  I am not sure of the dates. I'm like the Tom the Tom Cole
• 31:43
  thing or the the George Slahorian thing.
• 31:45
  But there's knocks at the door. There's there's start.
• 31:48
  There's cracks in the foundation of the the mighty WWF at this
• 31:52
  point and to the point where WrestleMania 7 was originally
• 31:56
  supposed to be at the LA Memorial Coliseum, which is
• 31:58
  where they did the Olympics in 1984.
• 32:01
  It's where the Raiders played when they moved to Los Angeles.
• 32:04
  Huge open air stadium and they said due to security threats
• 32:07
  they were moving it to the LA Sports Arena, which is much
• 32:09
  smaller from going from like 100,000 seats to about, you
• 32:13
  know, 20,000. But it was poor ticket sales.
• 32:16
  There was poor advance ticket sales.
• 32:17
  That said, you know, people are threatening Sergeant Slaughter,
• 32:20
  so we have to move it and have tighter security.
• 32:23
  Now, I I think this could be answered by simply saying it's
• 32:27
  just pro wrestling and pro wrestling I think is treated
• 32:30
  differently than any other sports, any other sport and any
• 32:34
  other means of entertainment. If if I'm BP, if you're an actor
• 32:38
  and you go and you play just as I say, John Cena, Batista, name
• 32:43
  a a a wrestler who became an actor and also a wrestler goes
• 32:47
  out and plays an inherently racist character like a Leonardo
• 32:51
  DiCaprio, Samuel Jackson, Django style character.
• 32:54
  If they do it on the big screen, nobody cares with everyone
• 32:58
  understands it's part of the show, it's an act, it's an
• 33:01
  acting job. They're praised for playing this
• 33:04
  great racist role, but everyone kind of knows, I mean now that
• 33:09
  wrestling is theater. But if you go out there and
• 33:11
  present that character, you are done.
• 33:14
  Like you will get cancelled. You'll be.
• 33:16
  But it's a part of me like I'm torn on it.
• 33:19
  Like, do you want to platform that?
• 33:21
  No, but at the end of the day, the art, the thrill, the the bad
• 33:25
  guy getting his comeuppance. I, I, I don't, I don't always
• 33:29
  think it's a terrible idea to like, I just don't understand
• 33:32
  why wrestling, it kind of doesn't get that pass where they
• 33:34
  can just use character. Work like that because it's not
• 33:37
  theater. It's not theater.
• 33:38
  It's not a movie. It's not.
• 33:40
  It's not a play. It is, though.
• 33:42
  It's wrestling. It's different.
• 33:44
  All right. So you're so you're telling me
• 33:46
  you call every wrestler you know by their real name or do you
• 33:49
  call them by their gimmick name? Gimmick name.
• 33:51
  For the most part. All right, all right.
• 33:53
  So if you went up to John Travolta, would you say hi,
• 33:56
  Vincent Vega? No.
• 33:59
  So there's a difference, right? Sure, Exactly.
• 34:03
  But I just, I just think in the, the art form of it, I just, I, I
• 34:06
  think certain. I think it's just it's held to a
• 34:08
  different standard. It is because it's its own
• 34:10
  unique thing. It's not quite sports, it's not
• 34:13
  quite entertainment. It's wrestling.
• 34:14
  It's it's, it's something completely different and, and,
• 34:17
  and especially in 1991, the kayfabe in 1991 isn't like
• 34:21
  kayfabe in 1971. But it's still it's still
• 34:26
  something where if you're a heel and you work for the WWF in 1991
• 34:31
  and you see a fan at the airport, you're supposed to be
• 34:33
  mean to that. Yeah, that's not, that's really
• 34:37
  not the thing now unless you're MJF and you've you're kind of
• 34:39
  method acting and you are trying to be like that old.
• 34:41
  School. I respect that.
• 34:42
  I like it. Right.
• 34:44
  So again, it's not the same. Yeah, I don't know.
• 34:49
  I just think, do you think the day will overcome where they'll
• 34:52
  they'll loosen their reins on character, what people can do?
• 34:56
  I mean, it depends on the presentation.
• 34:58
  Like Lucha Underground got away with a lot of things that you
• 35:01
  would never see in WWE or AW because they set the parameter
• 35:05
  like this is our universe. Like, you know, people are going
• 35:07
  to be killed here. See, we have witches and, and
• 35:10
  things like that. And, and, and I and that's fine.
• 35:13
  Like I always talk about like goofy stuff, but have a
• 35:16
  consistency to your story. If you're going to be silly, be
• 35:19
  silly. If you're going to be realistic,
• 35:21
  be realistic. Don't be silly one second and
• 35:23
  realistic the other second and expect me to take you seriously.
• 35:26
  If you're a joke, see, I don't. Mind if you're a joke 20% of the
• 35:29
  time, you're a joke 100% of the time.
• 35:30
  Yeah, I I kind of like the variety show aspect of
• 35:33
  wrestling. Whether you have your spooky
• 35:34
  segment, your realistics like your comedy say, I like having
• 35:37
  that flavor of. Wrestling, but it but it would
• 35:40
  be like if you had a very serious movie and then all of a
• 35:43
  sudden it ghost shows up. It's like what the hell?
• 35:45
  What's this? It has nothing to do with
• 35:46
  anything else in the plot. Yeah.
• 35:48
  But I think each person that goes out and performs in the
• 35:51
  ring for their segment is a segment.
• 35:53
  That's how I look at it. I don't like it as an overall.
• 35:56
  Show. It's a show.
• 35:57
  Yeah, I I, I, I I do disagree on that one.
• 36:00
  I think it's. Like, like I said, The Muppets
• 36:01
  to me, it's like Fozzie goes out, cracks a joke and then
• 36:05
  Kermit goes out and sings a a beautiful ballad.
• 36:07
  You know what I mean? Like it's.
• 36:09
  Each each. Person that goes out and
• 36:10
  performs has their own little flavor they bring to the the
• 36:12
  table. Yeah, but I think it needs some
• 36:14
  kind of logical consistency, and if you don't, that's when you
• 36:17
  get like Vince Russo stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's a great debate.
• 36:22
  I love that We could go on for hours with that, but let's keep
• 36:24
  for the title. So Hogan's going to win this at
• 36:27
  at at Mania, and he's going to hold it for 248 days.
• 36:32
  And then here's what we talk about.
• 36:33
  Normally the title does not get hot potato BP.
• 36:37
  Well, yeah. Well, this was this was them
• 36:39
  trying to to to experiment with something.
• 36:42
  So at this point, their business is dipping and they're trying to
• 36:45
  think, OK, what can we do? To They brought in a new scoop
• 36:49
  of ice cream. Well, yeah, but it's worse.
• 36:53
  I'm not talking about the guy he loses it to.
• 36:55
  I'm talking about why he lost it and why it was flipped so
• 36:58
  quickly so well, he lost. It to the almost broke his neck.
• 37:03
  No, he didn't. He got me, brother.
• 37:06
  So Hulk Hogan loses it to The Undertaker, who is fairly new at
• 37:09
  this point. The Undertaker's been around for
• 37:12
  about a year. Yeah, he debuted, debuted
• 37:14
  Survivor Series in 1990. He he wins the title, that's
• 37:18
  Survivor Series in 1991. But WWE is struggling in 1991.
• 37:22
  Businesses is dipping. They're not as bulletproof of as
• 37:26
  they've been for the last 8-7 years as Hulkamania and Rock and
• 37:31
  wrestling and all those waves have been ridden.
• 37:34
  So one of the things that we're debating to kind of reinvent
• 37:37
  themselves and kind of reinvent the revenue streams is we we're
• 37:40
  really being successful on pay-per-view.
• 37:43
  What if we tried weekly pay per views at a discounted price?
• 37:46
  What if instead of every four months you buy a pay-per-view
• 37:50
  for, you know, whatever it was back then, you know, $30 or no,
• 37:54
  I don't think it was that much like that.
• 37:55
  It was like $25. What if we got people to spend
• 37:59
  799 on the pay-per-view every week?
• 38:02
  So the Survivor Series in 1991 is a very unique show because
• 38:05
  the entire show is basically a commercial for this Tuesday in
• 38:11
  Texas where they have a pay-per-view Survivor Series
• 38:16
  either, I think it was on Thanksgiving Eve at this point.
• 38:19
  So that's on a Wednesday. And then six days later they're
• 38:22
  going to have another pay-per-view this Tuesday in
• 38:24
  Texas. And Macho Man had lost a loser.
• 38:27
  A loser must retire match to the Warrior.
• 38:29
  He's been reinstated by Jack Tunney, so he gets to wrestle it
• 38:32
  this Tuesday in Texas. And then you have the Undertaker
• 38:38
  beat Hulk Hogan, but Ric Flair interfered.
• 38:39
  So we're going to have a rematch and it's going to be Hulk Hogan
• 38:42
  and the Undertaker again at this Tuesday in Texas.
• 38:45
  So they're building really up to Tuesday in Texas.
• 38:49
  And it it flopped and they never tried it again.
• 38:51
  And weekly pay per views weren't everything again until the very
• 38:53
  beginning of TNA because that was how TNA started.
• 38:56
  Should make a Tuesday in Texas spoof shirt.
• 38:59
  I'll look at the logo for right now.
• 39:02
  Yikes. It it was it, it was a it was an
• 39:06
  idea that didn't work, and it was baseball.
• 39:10
  Court, though, according to. Yeah, I but how many people, how
• 39:14
  many people bought on pay-per-view is the question.
• 39:16
  Probably not enough. And I wonder how much.
• 39:20
  I don't think they were really working with Jerry Jarrett at
• 39:22
  this point, but Jerry Jarrett was the driving force for NWATNA
• 39:25
  and Jeff Jarrett for doing weekly pay per views as their
• 39:28
  magical thing. And it was all based on.
• 39:30
  Well, Memphis was a weekly, not on pay-per-view.
• 39:35
  Yeah, a lot of those. 9 dark matches.
• 39:37
  If I'm remembering and this yes, 'cause I'm thinking the actual
• 39:41
  pay-per-view was like Bret Hart and Skinner, it was DB or it was
• 39:46
  Savage and Jake Hogan and Undertaker, I think Virgil and
• 39:51
  like Texas Tornado against Dibiase and Repo Man or
• 39:54
  something like that. Repo Man.
• 39:56
  Dibiase with sensational Sherry. Beat it.
• 39:58
  El Matador and Virgil. Oh, El Matador.
• 40:01
  OK, Yeah. Yeah, 'cause that's that's the
• 40:03
  dibiase got. The warlord heartbeat.
• 40:08
  And Skinner, Yeah. Blair beats Piper in a dark
• 40:11
  match which they went 14 minute a 14 1/2 minutes.
• 40:16
  Flair and Piper. I actually would like to watch
• 40:18
  that match. Legion of Doom, Hawk and Animal
• 40:21
  are going to beat the The Natural Disasters.
• 40:24
  Legion of Doom wrestle twice that night I guess.
• 40:29
  So according to this Legion of Doom, Hawk and Animal defeat the
• 40:33
  Rockers in 12 minutes and 58 seconds.
• 40:37
  Oh, immediately next match to take on the National Disasters
• 40:41
  for another 10 minutes and 26 seconds.
• 40:43
  That's a lot of the road Warriors that that's a lot of I,
• 40:46
  I'm, they're my favorite tag team of all time, but that's a
• 40:47
  lot of Rd. Warriors.
• 40:49
  I believe three. They go 3 tag team matches in a
• 40:52
  row. They go Nasty Boys versus the
• 40:55
  Bushwhackers. Then they do the Legion of Doom
• 40:57
  two matches in a row I believe. Sorry, go ahead.
• 41:01
  I believe I I want to say that Rockers OOD match was a
• 41:04
  Colosseum video match. I think they taped that for
• 41:06
  Colosseum video, 'cause I think I remember seeing that match.
• 41:09
  Yeah, and you gotta. Remember, we'll start from the
• 41:11
  beginning. The Harris brothers are gonna
• 41:12
  take which is Ron Don are gonna take on Brad Castillo and Brian
• 41:19
  Don Donchet or Don Donahue. Donahue.
• 41:22
  I'm terrible at names. Sir Charles, which we all would
• 41:28
  know. Come up, go become somebody
• 41:29
  else. Dale Wolf, Sir Charles becomes
• 41:33
  Charles Wright and then The Godfather, and oh is that?
• 41:37
  Big Papashongo. Yeah, yeah, I just.
• 41:39
  Yeah, but he he wrestled us. Sure, Charles on this show,
• 41:42
  Chris Walker takes on Brian Lee, which which these these names
• 41:47
  are wild. Chris.
• 41:49
  Chris Chavez. Well, no, you're not.
• 41:51
  Brian Lee is, I'm assuming, Tatonka.
• 41:54
  Brian Lee, I'm going to assume is primetime Brian Lee.
• 41:57
  Who was the fake undertaker in chains?
• 41:59
  Yeah, Chains and Chris Walker was the guy who was around.
• 42:02
  He was like a guy got a little bit of a push at this time.
• 42:05
  Yeah, but and then JJW Storm, well, I'm just saying back in
• 42:10
  the day for WWE, the guys to come out and have a match where
• 42:12
  Sir Charles versus Dale Wolf, Chris Walker versus Brian Lee,
• 42:15
  Chris Chavis versus JW Storm, like it just not WWE at that
• 42:19
  time. Like you're the trash, man, are
• 42:20
  you? Like you know what I mean?
• 42:22
  Well, they would do these. They would do these before a lot
• 42:25
  of tapings and a lot of shows like this, especially if it was
• 42:28
  the shorter show where this was like a mini pay-per-view was
• 42:30
  like 2 hours. It was to get looks of guys that
• 42:33
  were interested in. They would do it.
• 42:34
  They would, they would do a lot of dark matches like this like
• 42:37
  Dwayne Gill and Barry Hardy were the toxic turtles around this
• 42:40
  time and did a Ninja Turtles gimmick.
• 42:41
  They would, they would test people out and they did that
• 42:43
  forever, right. One of the even all the way up
• 42:46
  to in the like 1998. I, I remember going to a, a
• 42:50
  Sunday night heat taping because it was the only way to get a
• 42:53
  voucher to send away for WrestleMania 15 tickets.
• 42:56
  And before the Sunday night heat taping, it was Andrew Martin in
• 43:00
  a squash match for like weeks before he became test.
• 43:04
  They just did that. The test guys out make sure
• 43:05
  they're ready for prime time. They, they would do a lot of
• 43:08
  like house show matches and then they would do TV tapings just to
• 43:12
  kind of see what they look like under the lights and everything.
• 43:14
  So that's what they were. They were getting a look at the
• 43:15
  Tonka. They were getting a look at the
• 43:17
  the Harris brothers. They were getting a look at
• 43:19
  Brian Lee. They were getting a look at at
• 43:22
  at. Sir Charles.
• 43:24
  Sir Charles, Yeah. Papa Shongo.
• 43:25
  Yeah. And that LOD Rockers match, that
• 43:29
  LOD Rockers match, they are also right there.
• 43:33
  They are still planting the seeds for Shawn Michaels turning
• 43:35
  heel. Every match the Rockers would
• 43:37
  lose, and then they would argue. That was like the formula of
• 43:39
  every match. Yeah, so Undertaker is going to
• 43:43
  lose the title after six days to Hogan, who's going to hold it on
• 43:46
  paper for one day because. Here comes Jack Tunney again.
• 43:50
  Yeah, Jack, Tony's going to strip the title and it's going
• 43:53
  to air on December 7th and the, the the the show happened the
• 43:56
  December 3rd and then we're going to have the greatest Royal
• 44:02
  Rumble of all time. Yeah, not, not the not the one
• 44:05
  in Saudi Arabia, the first one, I guess in Saudi Arabia, the
• 44:08
  actual greatest Royal Rumble. And yeah, so it's it's similar
• 44:11
  to WrestleMania 4, where the title is vacated because Flair
• 44:13
  gets involved again and Hogan takes ashes from the urn and
• 44:17
  throws them in Undertaker's face.
• 44:18
  And it's all a screwy finish. So the title is held up.
• 44:22
  And the the rub here, where Hogan and Andre got buys in that
• 44:25
  tournament, the rub here is that Undertaker and Hogan are
• 44:29
  guaranteed that their Royal Rumble draw is going to be 20 or
• 44:33
  later. So that's their advantage in the
• 44:35
  Royal Rumble because they were the two previous champions.
• 44:38
  But how many rumbles are we in at this point in in 90?
• 44:41
  There was the one that was on USA Network which was 88.
• 44:45
  I mean it's what far as televised ones?
• 44:47
  And that was the 5th rumble. Well, 5th or 4th?
• 44:51
  4th you had 8889. You had, you had the one stud
• 44:54
  one. No, no, this is the fifth.
• 44:56
  You had the stud, the one Duggan one on TV.
• 45:00
  Stud wins in eight in 89. Hogan wins in 919091.
• 45:04
  So this is the fifth and Hogan is coming and having won two in
• 45:07
  a row, but not tonight because coming in at #3 is the nature
• 45:14
  boy. Ric Flair is going to pretty
• 45:15
  much run the table, Bobby Heenan is going to give the performance
• 45:19
  of a lifetime on commentary going through the five stages of
• 45:22
  grief, and Ric Flair is going to be your your WWF Champion.
• 45:28
  He holds it for 77 days. And it's wild because at this
• 45:31
  point in time, I'm not watching Flair matches.
• 45:34
  I'm just seeing Flair in the magazines.
• 45:37
  I'm seeing every now and then maybe a clip of Ric Flair
• 45:39
  cutting a promo of that old backdrop where he's standing
• 45:42
  there and he's holding the title, you know, doing the whole
• 45:45
  and now is. His manager?
• 45:47
  Yep. And now he's holding the WWF
• 45:50
  Championship. That's the holy shit.
• 45:52
  He is the real world champion now, isn't he?
• 45:55
  Yeah. And and initially they say that
• 45:58
  he's going to wrestle Hulk Hogan to WrestleMania, WrestleMania 8.
• 46:01
  But then Sid Justice turns on Hogan and Hogan once said he
• 46:05
  doesn't want the title he wants to get even with Sid Justice.
• 46:08
  So then Macho Man Randy Savage gets his title shot and and
• 46:13
  Flair and Savage were made for each other.
• 46:16
  They are such a natural pairing. They whenever those two got
• 46:19
  together they made Magic and and WrestleMania.
• 46:22
  WrestleMania 8 was no different, where Miss Elizabeth comes out
• 46:26
  because Flair had alleged that he had pictures of Elizabeth and
• 46:30
  he was going to put her up on the Jumbotron wearing nothing
• 46:32
  but a staple. And they said they had taken
• 46:35
  some like, pictures of her and like, swim like very revealing
• 46:38
  swimwear and staff. Just like, we're not going to do
• 46:40
  it, OK? Not going to happen.
• 46:44
  Well, this was redone on the indie circuit.
• 46:46
  GCW plays into this story maybe a couple years ago with Cardona,
• 46:52
  Janella and Chelsea Green, where Janella had photos of Chelsea
• 46:56
  well. No, that, that's after Savage
• 46:58
  wins the title. Savage wins the title at
• 47:00
  WrestleMania 8. And then and then afterwards,
• 47:04
  Flair's going to push Savage's buttons.
• 47:06
  And he says Elizabeth was mine before she was yours.
• 47:10
  And yeah, she has these pictures of, of her and Ric Flair and
• 47:14
  Elizabeth, like sitting at the poolside or sitting on their
• 47:17
  table watching, you know, wrestling on TV.
• 47:20
  And yeah, they, they, they, they, they, what they said was,
• 47:22
  and they actually did it because then they show the real
• 47:24
  pictures. They said that it was something
• 47:27
  called SI texting. It was this.
• 47:29
  It was basically Photoshopped before there was Photoshop.
• 47:31
  And then basically Ric Flair put his head over Randy Savage's
• 47:35
  body and they show the real pictures that are the exact
• 47:38
  same, but it's Randy Savage and Elizabeth.
• 47:40
  And then yeah, GCW doesn't where they just had Joey Janelle and
• 47:43
  Chelsea Green actually take the pictures.
• 47:45
  Yeah, so Ric Flair's gonna hold her for 77 days, then go to
• 47:49
  Savage for 149, and then we go back to Ric Flair in Primetime
• 47:55
  Wrestling in Hershey, PA. A match that a match that Vince
• 48:00
  McMahon made go back out because he hated the original 1.
• 48:04
  Really. Yeah, he had him go back out.
• 48:07
  So yeah, I'm not sure what they what they what the plan was with
• 48:10
  the Savage thing here. I know that the rumor has it
• 48:12
  because part of Savage is run as WrestleMania, SummerSlam 92 in
• 48:16
  England. And it's it's Savage and the
• 48:18
  Warrior. They're both baby faces.
• 48:20
  But Ric Flair and Mr. Perfect are saying that we've made a
• 48:23
  deal with one of these guys and one of them is going to be
• 48:25
  joining the dark side. Basically, one of them is going
• 48:27
  to come in a bag guy. And there's a rumor, and I don't
• 48:30
  know if this is urban legend or not, that that they had
• 48:31
  convinced Warrior to turn heel and that Warrior was going to
• 48:36
  turn heel and be a heel champion with Mr. Perfect as his manager.
• 48:39
  But Warrior got cold feet at the last second and they didn't pull
• 48:41
  a trigger. And it was like, oh, Ric Flair
• 48:43
  and Perfect just say that to mess with them.
• 48:45
  The match winds up a double DQ and like 3 or 4 weeks later,
• 48:50
  Flair beat Savage for the title again.
• 48:53
  And so this is at the point where the steroid scandal is
• 48:58
  really on fire. 1992 is when I, I believe when Vista Bank gets
• 49:04
  indicted. If not, it was very shortly
• 49:06
  after this. He's rocking the next race at
• 49:07
  this point. In time, yes, well, that was
• 49:10
  more 93 I think. But yeah, so he is, he is
• 49:16
  basically giving everybody drug tests and you got to get off of
• 49:19
  the stuff. And so they're going smaller
• 49:22
  now. And I mean, Savage had thinned
• 49:24
  out considerably at this point. He was off of whatever he was
• 49:26
  on. He he was wearing like the top,
• 49:28
  the sleeveless top and the ring. Now.
• 49:29
  He wasn't really wrestling without a shirt anymore.
• 49:32
  And, and Flair, Flair and Vince had this deal where like it was,
• 49:39
  you know, I'm coming on a handshake and if I'm ever not
• 49:41
  happy with my spot, I can just tell you Vince and I can go.
• 49:45
  And they wanted to put Flair down the card because Vince has
• 49:47
  it in his head. We're going with smaller guys,
• 49:49
  We're going with the younger guys.
• 49:51
  And that there there was always the rumor that Bob Backlund was
• 49:56
  going to be earmarked for the world title when he came in.
• 49:59
  But what they say is that they looked at all the fan mail,
• 50:02
  especially internationally, that Bret Hart was getting and they
• 50:05
  were like, well, Bret Hart is so popular, we should put the title
• 50:07
  on him. That's exactly what they do on
• 50:10
  Canadian Thanksgiving I believe October 13th 1992 in Saskatoon.
• 50:17
  It's in Saskatoon SK Saskatchewan.
• 50:21
  This one I believe was also taped for Coliseum Video.
• 50:24
  I think the only place you could actually see the match was on
• 50:26
  Coliseum Video. Bret Hart wins the WWF title.
• 50:29
  And I don't think I've ever seen this match.
• 50:31
  I I have it's it's not amazing. Bret and Flair were like oil and
• 50:36
  water, but they they personally and professionally.
• 50:40
  But the better match is from Survivor Series for that year
• 50:46
  because it's supposed to be Shawn like Michaels defending
• 50:48
  the Intercontinental Title against Bret Hart, but instead
• 50:51
  it's going to be Bret Hart defending the WWEF Championship
• 50:54
  against Shawn Michaels. Even though Shawn's
• 50:55
  Intercontinental Champion, that title's not on the line.
• 50:57
  Shawn's belt is not on the line, but Brett beats Shawn at
• 51:00
  Survivor Series and that match is very good.
• 51:03
  Yeah, well, this, this is for me, BP is going to lead into, in
• 51:09
  my opinion, one of the coolest at I still, it still has a spot
• 51:15
  in my heart. I know it's not a great show,
• 51:17
  but it's the course of the WrestleMania.
• 51:19
  It's I love the way it looked. I love the arena.
• 51:22
  I love the the the the pillars, the filigree.
• 51:25
  The parking lot. The parking lot in Vegas.
• 51:27
  I loved it. I loved the look, I thought.
• 51:29
  The world. It's the world.
• 51:31
  It's the world's largest Taco party, pal.
• 51:34
  Yeah, I loved it. I loved the way it looked.
• 51:36
  I loved the being outdoors. I thought it was cool seeing it
• 51:39
  outdoors like that. I meant I So I just recently got
• 51:42
  2K25. It was on sale for a week the
• 51:44
  The Dead Man edition for $35.00. So wow.
• 51:48
  So I picked it up and in that you get the replay, the head
• 51:53
  shrinkers versus Steiners, the Steiner brothers, and you
• 51:57
  reclaim the win for the head shrinkers over the Steiner
• 52:00
  brothers and that and then you unlock everybody.
• 52:02
  But I just playing that arena and looking at the thing, I was
• 52:05
  like, oh man, this, this is this is cool.
• 52:08
  Side note, the video game. Have you played the new 1 yet?
• 52:11
  No, I have not. So they added this new feature
• 52:13
  BP during the entrances, you can take the camera with your thumb
• 52:17
  stick and move it. So you can like take it and move
• 52:20
  it behind them and watch them walk from like a third person
• 52:23
  view. You can hit like four or five
• 52:25
  different buttons and change different camera views as like
• 52:28
  as the entrance. I'm like, this is kind of dope.
• 52:30
  Like you kind of can create your own entrance.
• 52:32
  You're not really stuck. But so far it's been a lot of
• 52:35
  fun to play. I'm playing the storyline right
• 52:37
  now, but it is really cool to play as Samu, you know what I
• 52:41
  mean? Just cause the guy's local to us
• 52:42
  and I think it's the first time him to being in the video game.
• 52:45
  I believe the head shrinkers. Yeah, there, and I actually had
• 52:49
  this game there. There was a game called Rage in
• 52:51
  the cage for the Sega CD and I believe the head shrinkers were
• 52:55
  in that game. Oh wow.
• 52:58
  Yeah, but not a great show. But for me, the look I loved, I
• 53:02
  love this. Although now I'm wondering if
• 53:04
  that was Faltu and Samu or if that was Faltu and Sione.
• 53:07
  Or was was it Sam? No, it was Faltu and Sione I
• 53:09
  believe. I believe that that barbarian
• 53:11
  replaced Samu. I don't know.
• 53:13
  I think it was Faltu and Samu. But anyway, Speaking of Samoans,
• 53:18
  yeah. And WrestleMania is going to get
• 53:21
  his first. He's.
• 53:22
  Going to be the first Samoan to get his well.
• 53:25
  Sing Championship. He's Japanese, thank you very
• 53:27
  much. I didn't see Mr. Fuji waving a
• 53:29
  Samoan flag behind him. Yeah, he's the first bloodline
• 53:33
  member to get to a single goal. He is, he is, and he is very
• 53:37
  much Samoan as well. Yokozuna is going to thanks to a
• 53:42
  well timed throw of salt by Mr. Fuji while Yokozuna is caught in
• 53:46
  a sharpshooter. Yokozuna is going to defeat Bret
• 53:48
  Hart for that title and how long is he going to hold it for
• 53:50
  about? Like 3 minutes about that, yeah.
• 53:55
  Because Hogan must pose. I remember watching this and I'm
• 53:59
  just like, as a kid, this is where like my, my, my hatred for
• 54:04
  Hogan cemented. It was this show because I
• 54:06
  remember being like, you know, Brett and Yokozuna put on a fun
• 54:10
  match. Like I liked it as a kid.
• 54:13
  Going back and watching it now wasn't the greatest I was.
• 54:15
  So bummed that Brett Law. I preferred Brett the Hogan, but
• 54:17
  I was so bummed that Brett Law. So I'm like, just get him, Hulk.
• 54:20
  Get him. Yeah, and then Hogan came out.
• 54:21
  I'm like this fucking guy. Well, let's, let's just talk.
• 54:25
  Not really Winged Eagle history here, but let's talk a little,
• 54:28
  just briefly. And if we want to do a full
• 54:30
  episode this on another time, there's tons of topics here.
• 54:33
  Anything we literally talk about, we could break into a
• 54:35
  full episode, which is why I love pro wrestling.
• 54:38
  Hogan's got a black eye on this show.
• 54:41
  Yeah, this was very much covered during the that making of
• 54:46
  WrestleMania thing or making us creating a spectacle.
• 54:49
  It was on Peacock. I think it's funny.
• 54:51
  You see, Nick Kahn, who now runs WWE, is one of the security guys
• 54:55
  at ringside. But yeah, Hogan comes with a
• 54:58
  black eye. And the story was that he said
• 55:01
  he had like some kind of accident on the beach.
• 55:03
  I don't not a parasoling accent because it was beefcake, but
• 55:06
  like something happened where he got hit in the eye with
• 55:08
  something and then the other people say Randy Savage got mad
• 55:10
  at them and punched them in the face.
• 55:12
  Yeah, a fun fact about this one too, with that documentary airs
• 55:16
  on that, that same documentary, they show Bret Hart coming to
• 55:20
  the arena and following him is Davey Boy Smith.
• 55:23
  And they're like, that footage isn't from that.
• 55:24
  Day. No, it's because Davey Boy was
• 55:26
  in Japan. Yeah, no, it was probably from
• 55:28
  like SummerSlam 94. But pro wrestler fans are nuts.
• 55:33
  Like, I would have watched that and just never thought anything
• 55:35
  of it. And they're like, no, no, no,
• 55:37
  that's debut. Boy.
• 55:38
  He's in Japan at this time. I would have never, never known.
• 55:42
  But Hogan is going to win after Yokozuna pins Bret Hart.
• 55:48
  And Bret Hart is told that. Bret Hart?
• 55:50
  What's that? How do they even swing this?
• 55:52
  Like there's not a cash in the moment.
• 55:54
  He just comes out and says I'm gonna.
• 55:55
  Hustle you. So Mr. Fuji is in the ring, Tom,
• 55:58
  Hulk Hogan saying my Yokozuna will take you on anytime,
• 56:00
  anytime. And Bret is still blinded by the
• 56:03
  salt. He's like, go get him, go get
• 56:04
  him, go get him. So they make an impromptu match
• 56:07
  and Hogan wins. And rightfully Mr. Fuji's like,
• 56:11
  well, that's not official. There was no contract.
• 56:14
  But Jack Tony says it counts. But Yokozuna gets a total shot
• 56:17
  at King of the Ring. The the line Brett was fed,
• 56:20
  whether it was supposed to be true or not, was that he was
• 56:23
  supposed to beat Hogan at Summer Slam that year.
• 56:26
  And instead Yokozuna is going to beat Hulk Hogan, the King of the
• 56:30
  Ring. And that is the last time Hulk
• 56:32
  Hogan wrestles for the WWF for about 8 years.
• 56:37
  Yeah, Do you do you think he you think he's seen that Brett was
• 56:40
  the guy and Yoko look larger than life and you'd rather lose
• 56:43
  the Yoko than Brett? I think it was more of I, I I'm
• 56:46
  not gonna I'm not gonna put over Brett.
• 56:47
  I'm gonna Yoko's fine. I'll put over the big guy.
• 56:50
  I just probably don't wanna put over Brett.
• 56:52
  Probably thought he was too small.
• 56:54
  It's he was, you know, he's a body guy.
• 56:57
  So was Vince. Do I go Brett's too small?
• 56:58
  I'm not gonna do it because what what does?
• 57:01
  What does? And I'm sure Vince was right
• 57:02
  there along with him. I'm not gonna throw Hogan under
• 57:04
  the bus with bathroom and Vince under there too, because what
• 57:08
  does Vince immediately do after Hulk Hogan leaves?
• 57:11
  Like literally 3 weeks later? He tries to make a new Hulk
• 57:14
  Hogan in the form of Lex Luger. He comes in on the helicopter,
• 57:18
  he slams Yokozuna on the the USS Intrepid on the 4th of July,
• 57:21
  where Mr. Fuji plays a rib on Yokozuna.
• 57:24
  Do you know that story? Yeah.
• 57:26
  So yeah, 'cause it was very hot, yeah.
• 57:29
  So we had the hot foot all over the ring.
• 57:31
  So it it was. And then we have the Lex Express
• 57:35
  and Lex wins by count on at SummerSlam because they're going
• 57:38
  to extend it to WrestleMania and we go to WrestleMania.
• 57:40
  We'll never got the title. We'll never got the title.
• 57:43
  Well, and and. This was another thing where
• 57:46
  like, they were still an undercurrent of no Brett.
• 57:48
  We, we really like Brett, like Luger's fine, whatever, but we
• 57:50
  really like Brett. And so they did a thing at a
• 57:55
  house show before WrestleMania 10.
• 57:57
  They're like, hey, wouldn't it be because Brett Luger and Brett
• 58:00
  Co win the Rumble and they do a thing where like Luger steals
• 58:03
  the title from Yokozuna? They were like, hey, wouldn't it
• 58:05
  be funny if we just visit? Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we
• 58:09
  just pretended Lex Luger was the champion and do a thing like
• 58:12
  introducing the new WWF champion, Lex Luger?
• 58:14
  And he comes out and they say the response was a little off
• 58:17
  and people are getting a little cool on Luger in the office so.
• 58:22
  It was it was such a different like I I love this version like
• 58:26
  this 9394 roster is amazing to me.
• 58:30
  This is this is my peak of wrestling.
• 58:32
  I love this point. Like you got Bam Bam in there,
• 58:35
  you got Yoko, you got Brett, you got Sean, you got like let you
• 58:38
  got Razor Diesel like I loved this era like.
• 58:41
  There's not, there's not a lot of defenders for the post
• 58:44
  steroid free attitude era. Like I like it.
• 58:47
  I like it. I liked it like there's.
• 58:49
  Something for everybody. I I I to me, watching this
• 58:53
  version of of WWE is kind of like watching Rainbow 2.0 NXT
• 59:00
  where it's not the greatest, but you can see if everyone sticks
• 59:04
  with it, it's something's going to come out of it.
• 59:06
  Though. Like I I everyone who was on a 2
• 59:09
  point O who sucked is now killing it in this new version
• 59:13
  of any like last legend was garbage.
• 59:14
  She's amazing now, like that women's division struggle, but
• 59:17
  now they're all finding themselves like.
• 59:20
  I'll give you a tip and I'll give you a brown breaker and
• 59:22
  that's all I'll give you. And Grace and Muller.
• 59:24
  I love grace and Muller. Go birds.
• 59:26
  I, I think, I think a lot of people really turned it around.
• 59:28
  Like I, this is the era where they kind of had to find
• 59:31
  themselves because all of those legends walked out the door and
• 59:34
  this new generation had to find themselves.
• 59:36
  And I liked it. I liked it a lot.
• 59:38
  And they're they're ace in the hole was Bret Hart because Bret
• 59:41
  Hart becomes what Ric Flair became the WCW where whenever
• 59:45
  they mess something up, whenever they put them, they back the
• 59:48
  wrong horse. Whenever you know, they they
• 59:50
  thought a guy was going to be the guy and he wasn't.
• 59:52
  Whenever the champion loses his smile up in case of emergency
• 59:56
  break the glass, here comes Brett.
• 59:58
  We didn't. No one lost any smiles yet.
• 1:00:00
  He's he's in the mid card. He's doing his thing.
• 1:00:03
  At this point, no. He's threatened to leave for WCW
• 1:00:05
  at this point, so that's what happens.
• 1:00:11
  Like the Lugar thing didn't work, here comes Brett.
• 1:00:13
  Brett's going to come in and beat Yokozuna for the title at
• 1:00:16
  WrestleMania 10. Hold it through the summer, have
• 1:00:19
  a great match with Owen Hart at SummerSlam.
• 1:00:21
  SummerSlam 94. Real quick too, this time, this
• 1:00:25
  time too is when you're getting you're in Brett Owen feud.
• 1:00:30
  I like that feud. You're getting Taker and
• 1:00:33
  Yokozuna in those in those casket matches.
• 1:00:36
  Well, you're also, you're also getting, you're also getting
• 1:00:38
  Undertaker and undertaker, which wasn't quite as.
• 1:00:40
  Good. As a kid though, I fucking loved
• 1:00:42
  it. I I get to, I do too.
• 1:00:44
  I can't. I was like, what?
• 1:00:45
  They're fucking doing them. Yeah, it's.
• 1:00:48
  Losing my mind. And there's that Brian Lee
• 1:00:51
  again. Yep, a lot more Brian Lee on the
• 1:00:53
  show than I thought. Yeah, so Yokozuna, we'll just
• 1:00:57
  kind of recap WrestleMania has it for three minutes, goes back
• 1:01:00
  to Hogan for the fifth time, 70 days.
• 1:01:02
  Back to Yokozuna for 280. Did not realize he had it that
• 1:01:05
  long. Then drops it back to Brett for
• 1:01:08
  his second run for 248 days. And then we get a little taste
• 1:01:13
  of the old school coming back for a three day title run.
• 1:01:16
  BP. Mr. Bob back well this is
• 1:01:19
  actually very interesting because they had a when Brett
• 1:01:23
  was champion in the summer. Over the summer he had a
• 1:01:26
  friendly match with Bob back when where he beat him, beat him
• 1:01:29
  clean as a sheep babyface match. And then Bob Backlin went nuts
• 1:01:31
  and attacked him and they pulled him off and he seemed confused.
• 1:01:35
  And again, urban legend was originally this was going to be
• 1:01:39
  a way to bring back Papa Shongo that he had put a curse on Bob
• 1:01:43
  Backlin. But for whatever reason that
• 1:01:45
  didn't happen or for whatever reason either because.
• 1:01:48
  He still hasn't found his mind. For whatever reason, well, now I
• 1:01:51
  think he's legitimately having some issues.
• 1:01:53
  Cognitively, No, I mean like serious ones.
• 1:01:56
  He's. Old.
• 1:01:57
  He's fucking up there. So whether that was ever planned
• 1:02:03
  or not, it wound up not happening.
• 1:02:05
  But Bob Backlund gets so over as this crazy old man that puts
• 1:02:09
  everybody in the crossface chicken wing.
• 1:02:10
  His old manager, Arnold Scullin, the guy from WWF magazine,
• 1:02:14
  Psycho old man Backlund was so entertaining.
• 1:02:18
  You have to. There's this one promo where
• 1:02:20
  he's talking about how he's never eaten marijuana.
• 1:02:26
  He's like, do you know when we work?
• 1:02:27
  When we work next to him at any point in time where you would
• 1:02:30
  legit like nervous. No, it's Bob back when No, it
• 1:02:33
  was dude, he. He was yoking people up all day
• 1:02:36
  long and he just kept looking over at us and I was like, he's
• 1:02:38
  going to fuck. He would like joke with us like
• 1:02:40
  he would like, like he's going to shoot on us every now and
• 1:02:42
  then. No, Bob, that.
• 1:02:43
  Was great, Bob. That was great.
• 1:02:45
  I loved him, but he's still kind of like, yo, this guy might put
• 1:02:48
  me in a chokehold and I'm not painted.
• 1:02:51
  So that's what that that was this whole shtick.
• 1:02:54
  And so, and so, yeah, they, they do have him beat Bret Hart, One
• 1:02:58
  of the great Owen Hart moments where it was a a you, you can
• 1:03:03
  only lose by having your corner throw in the towel.
• 1:03:06
  And Owen Hart's in Backlands corner and, and Bulldog is in
• 1:03:12
  Brett's corner. And they do a thing where Owen
• 1:03:13
  and Bulldog are chasing each other, Bulldogs chasing Owen
• 1:03:15
  around the ring. And and Owen trips Bulldog and
• 1:03:18
  he hits head first into the steps and they act like Bulldogs
• 1:03:21
  dead. He's acting like he's
• 1:03:22
  unconscious for like 20 minutes. Bulldog is brain dead at this
• 1:03:25
  point. So then then Stu Hart grabs the
• 1:03:27
  towel. He's in the Stu and Hellinger in
• 1:03:29
  the crowd and and Owen is pleading like back when has
• 1:03:33
  Brett in the crosshairs chicken wing for like 12 minutes.
• 1:03:37
  And and Owen is pleading like, I'm sorry, it's my brother, You,
• 1:03:40
  you got to save him. And she was like, yeah, I'm not
• 1:03:43
  going to, I'm not going to throw in this towel.
• 1:03:46
  You son of a bitch. You pretended to be Reggie
• 1:03:49
  Parks. I don't trust you.
• 1:03:52
  So finally Helen takes the towel and throws it in.
• 1:03:55
  And then Owen just celebrates like he won the Stanley Cup,
• 1:03:58
  like because it was all a ruse. He was just trying to talk his
• 1:04:01
  parents in the throne of the towel.
• 1:04:02
  So Brett was the title. God, I love Owen, I love Owen,
• 1:04:05
  and I love Psycho Backlin, but I wish Owen would have gotten this
• 1:04:07
  title run. It was only three days.
• 1:04:10
  I, I wish we would have just had Owen Hart WWF champion for a few
• 1:04:13
  days. It would have been amazing.
• 1:04:14
  Would would you have replaced Owen with the next champion?
• 1:04:16
  No. No, you would.
• 1:04:19
  Have kept diesel. I've no what I thought you
• 1:04:22
  meant. Would I?
• 1:04:23
  I would had. I would had.
• 1:04:24
  I would had Owen be Bucklin, and then I would have I would have
• 1:04:27
  had Owen hold it. I don't know if I would have
• 1:04:29
  had. Well, no, I.
• 1:04:30
  I wouldn't have worked as a top. I wouldn't have worked as a top
• 1:04:32
  babyface. So Diesel is the next attempt to
• 1:04:36
  recreate Hulk Hogan. Vince saw this big guy, Kevin
• 1:04:40
  Nash, who was very charismatic and very charismatic.
• 1:04:44
  So charismatic, however the character they want them to be,
• 1:04:48
  that shaking hands, kissing babies, white meat babyface is
• 1:04:52
  not Kevin Nash. If they would have had him be a
• 1:04:55
  little more true to himself, a little more cool, a little more
• 1:04:58
  of a not, I'm not saying he has to be Stone Cold Steve Austin,
• 1:05:00
  but a little more an edge to him.
• 1:05:03
  It would have worked. And also they would have given
• 1:05:04
  him any challengers besides Shawn Michaels that were any
• 1:05:06
  good that were heels. They had no heels for him to go
• 1:05:09
  up against. But yeah, so.
• 1:05:10
  So this is the next guy. They're gonna strap the rocket
• 1:05:13
  too. They're gonna change the title
• 1:05:14
  of the house show at Madison Square Garden.
• 1:05:16
  Literally. This match has a kick to the
• 1:05:17
  stomach on Bob Backlund, Jackknife 123.
• 1:05:19
  It's like 8 seconds long. Goes over hard, Yeah, but
• 1:05:23
  Backlund holds on the title once against Davy Boy.
• 1:05:25
  Yeah, he holds it for Diesel's gonna hold it for 358 days,
• 1:05:28
  which is I think one of the longest reigns with this title
• 1:05:32
  at up until this point. The last first time held that
• 1:05:36
  long was was probably Savage for 371.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah, it was becoming rare for a guy to be champion for a year
• 1:05:44
  and and Nash was champion for about a year.
• 1:05:48
  But then Brett's going to win it back at Survivor Series.
• 1:05:51
  Transition champion. Yeah, Brett, case of emergency
• 1:05:55
  break that glass. That glass is going to break
• 1:05:57
  soon from the left and that's going to be the end of the melt.
• 1:06:00
  Yeah, 133 days, Brett gets his third run as a champion and this
• 1:06:04
  is this is peak rustling for me because we're going to get.
• 1:06:08
  He defended the title in Hershey.
• 1:06:10
  Brett defended the title in Hershey during this run because
• 1:06:13
  that in your house 5 with the infamous Hark Arkansas hog pen
• 1:06:16
  match that was in Hershey, Brett defeated.
• 1:06:20
  I want to say, Brett. Wrestled bulldog of that show
• 1:06:24
  Yeah. Shawn Michaels is going to take
• 1:06:27
  the title at Mania in the 60 minute Iron Man match which I I
• 1:06:31
  think when you think of this title this is one of the moments
• 1:06:34
  I think that stand out. I think you have the you have
• 1:06:37
  the you have the Hogan warrior, you have savage Savage yeah
• 1:06:46
  Savage Muncho man and and Flair. And then I think, you know, I, I
• 1:06:51
  would say Brett's first run, but it's, I mean, it's so stupid
• 1:06:54
  with that. Yeah, but he he didn't even win
• 1:06:56
  it on as far as my my visual of Brett with that title is
• 1:07:00
  WrestleMania 10. The second time he wins it and
• 1:07:02
  it's Brett with all the baby faces putting Brett on their
• 1:07:05
  shoulders. And then Owen watches having
• 1:07:07
  beaten Brett earlier that night before he was champion.
• 1:07:09
  Owen just watching angry in the in the aisle.
• 1:07:12
  Yep, but Brett's going to Sean's going to win the boyhood dream
• 1:07:16
  here. This to me, this is what
• 1:07:18
  solidified that. I love this title.
• 1:07:20
  I love wrestling. I am a Sean guy.
• 1:07:22
  I remember being in a house full of Brett fans and he wins and
• 1:07:25
  I'm just like, I'm losing my mind, everyone.
• 1:07:28
  Because. Yeah.
• 1:07:30
  Because the the president of the WWF gorilla on the take Monsoon
• 1:07:35
  somehow came up with this rule. That said, for some reason now
• 1:07:40
  we have overtime in Iron Man matches.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, this match must continue. Which was the IT was the right
• 1:07:45
  call BP. Well, I don't know about that.
• 1:07:50
  We're getting back to the debate, but no Sean's going to
• 1:07:52
  win here. He's going to hold it for 231
• 1:07:56
  days and he's gonna drop it to Psycho Sid and Survivor Series
• 1:08:02
  and then reclaim it after 63 days, for 25 days.
• 1:08:06
  It Royal Rumble, that was just a set up that's working with the
• 1:08:10
  belt in San Antonio. Yep.
• 1:08:12
  And then I don't remember what happened.
• 1:08:14
  I think, I think it was a really bad knee injury that that Sean
• 1:08:18
  went through almost career ending BP and then he
• 1:08:22
  unfortunately had to vacate the title.
• 1:08:24
  What happened was what happened was they said you're going to
• 1:08:26
  lose the title to Brett at WrestleMania and he slapped his
• 1:08:29
  knee so hard laughing that he dislocated something and he had
• 1:08:33
  to drop the title. Laughed so it slapped his knee.
• 1:08:37
  Laughing, so put. Somebody over Oh, my knee.
• 1:08:44
  Come on now. Well, Brett's going to hold it
• 1:08:47
  for probably as much time as Yokozuna did again.
• 1:08:50
  He actually held it for a day. Yeah, he has it for a day.
• 1:08:55
  Psycho Sid, this is big. This is the first time the title
• 1:08:58
  change its hands on Raw. Yeah, Yeah, he's going to win on
• 1:09:03
  Raw. Raw's now that starts in 93.
• 1:09:06
  So this is it's up 97. This happened.
• 1:09:08
  So it's a few years later after Raw, where it gets his first
• 1:09:11
  title, because it did change hands on Prime Time Wrestling,
• 1:09:14
  which is a predecessor. Then Taker's going to take it
• 1:09:18
  off of Sid. He's going to hold it for 133
• 1:09:21
  days. This is another good era of
• 1:09:24
  wrestling. I I love this era is when
• 1:09:26
  they're doing the Stone Cold Undertaker, Sean Stone Cold mix
• 1:09:30
  right here. When I was like this is this is
• 1:09:32
  good? Time.
• 1:09:32
  This is the germination of the Attitude Era.
• 1:09:35
  It's. Let's see, if you ask WWE, this
• 1:09:37
  next title changes the official beginning of the Attitude Era.
• 1:09:39
  They'll say this is when it started.
• 1:09:41
  Yeah. Or SummerSlam 97.
• 1:09:45
  Oop, my, my computer just froze here.
• 1:09:47
  So SummerSlam. Yeah, SummerSlam.
• 1:09:48
  Brett's going to win it back off of Undertaker thanks to the help
• 1:09:53
  of Shawn Michaels as the guest referee.
• 1:09:55
  Accidentally. So Shawn did something good for
• 1:10:00
  Brett there. You think he's Roma Bone later.
• 1:10:03
  Well, he will kind of interact. He wasn't going to, so Shawn
• 1:10:06
  took it. But Brett, Brett at this point.
• 1:10:09
  Shawn. OK, yeah.
• 1:10:10
  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Shawn wouldn't be able to take
• 1:10:12
  shit from Brett. You're right, not a real sense.
• 1:10:17
  Brett is now holding the title for five times, which is the
• 1:10:20
  same amount of times as Hulk Hogan as he left the company at
• 1:10:24
  this point in time. So Sean gets his fifth
• 1:10:26
  championship and then unfortunately, another moment of
• 1:10:30
  this history of this title. When people think of this title
• 1:10:33
  and think of crazy moments and things that go for the test of
• 1:10:37
  time. We've talked about it before in
• 1:10:38
  this podcast and then nauseam, so we're not going to go too
• 1:10:41
  much into it, but the Montreal, Quebec, Canada match happens in
• 1:10:45
  Survivor Series. We all know what happens.
• 1:10:47
  The Montreal screw job Brett retain Brett gets loses the
• 1:10:50
  title to Shawn Michaels due to the screw job and then it
• 1:10:54
  actually. Happened knockout a few minutes
• 1:10:56
  later. Yeah, beats beats up McMahon and
• 1:10:58
  the. Very first ever Brawl for all
• 1:11:00
  match. Yeah, and then Shawn's going to
• 1:11:03
  hold it for 140 days. Almost would have been longer.
• 1:11:08
  Almost. It would have been longer than
• 1:11:09
  that. But then Undertaker had to start
• 1:11:11
  taping up a Swiss in the back. But also about this time, Sean
• 1:11:15
  legit fucks his back up bad. Yeah, Sean, she's back.
• 1:11:18
  Against the Undertaker. Yeah, against the Undertaker.
• 1:11:21
  He's in a rough, rough, rough. I remember still watching that
• 1:11:24
  and seeing but not rough enough to want to.
• 1:11:26
  Say, yeah, I'll lose to Austin. That's fine.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, not that rough. He still wants to win that match
• 1:11:30
  even though his back is messed up, Undertaker says.
• 1:11:33
  That doesn't work for us, brother.
• 1:11:34
  He starts taping up his fists. Well, that's still kind of up in
• 1:11:37
  the air, Sean. They they kind of had that up.
• 1:11:39
  They talked about that where Sean's like, yeah, Sean, a lot
• 1:11:41
  of that time Sean is. So he's, he's a drug addict.
• 1:11:45
  He's a full blown drug addict. His pill addiction is through
• 1:11:48
  the roof. His alcohol abuse and everything
• 1:11:49
  else is through the roof. Sean's not in a good headspace.
• 1:11:52
  And it's probably the greatest thing for Sean to lose this
• 1:11:55
  match to Stone Cold Steve Austin and kind of get out of Dodge.
• 1:11:58
  He he, he was still in a bad way for a few years after that.
• 1:12:01
  Yeah, he's in. He's in rough shape.
• 1:12:03
  Like he he comes, he comes into the locker room, gets kicked
• 1:12:05
  out. Triple H actually kicks him out
• 1:12:07
  of the locker. Room that, that was the day he
• 1:12:08
  passed out on Vince's couch. Yeah, I, I, I got reminded of
• 1:12:12
  something in, in one of Jericho's books where Jericho is
• 1:12:16
  feuding with Regal. And so, so this is probably like
• 1:12:21
  2001 ish, maybe 2000. Yeah, 'cause he didn't come over
• 1:12:25
  till I think it was 2001 and Sean's still in a bad way.
• 1:12:29
  And, and, and he, he did ride the ship, thankfully, because he
• 1:12:32
  probably wouldn't still be with us if he didn't.
• 1:12:34
  So and he's actually he's made wrestling a better place.
• 1:12:37
  He's doing great stuff as a coach and as a mentor and and
• 1:12:40
  doing good stuff on XT right now.
• 1:12:42
  And so Jericho is doing a thing where he dresses up as doink to.
• 1:12:48
  Sneak up on William Regal and beat up Regal and Sean sees him
• 1:12:53
  backstage and he he knows Jericho and he's like, oh man,
• 1:12:57
  Chris, you're Doink now. And he's like no, no, no, no.
• 1:13:01
  And Shawn's like out of it. He's slurring and everything.
• 1:13:03
  And, and, and Chris and jerk was like, no, no, no, no, this is an
• 1:13:06
  angle. It's like they're they're making
• 1:13:08
  you Doink though. And like, yeah, it's and
• 1:13:10
  dressing up like Doink so I can beat up Regal and then take the
• 1:13:12
  mask off. And I I got close to him because
• 1:13:14
  he thought I was doing. He's like, but why do you have
• 1:13:17
  to be Doink? Like he just couldn't get off of
• 1:13:20
  the fact in his mind. Chris Jericho is now Doink and
• 1:13:23
  will be Doink forever. That's amazing.
• 1:13:27
  But you're doing now. But yeah, Sean is going to drop
• 1:13:31
  the title at Mania to Stone Cold, Steve Austin, Mike Tyson
• 1:13:37
  with a knockout punch. So Tyson does get his
• 1:13:39
  opportunity during the Wing Championship to reclaim his
• 1:13:43
  opportunity and then get some knock somebody out and Stone
• 1:13:47
  Cold is going to be the last man to hold the Winged Eagle
• 1:13:51
  championship for quite some time.
• 1:13:54
  Yeah, because like a giant pie plate.
• 1:13:58
  Yeah, it was. It was the the the the what do
• 1:14:00
  they call the one the the the circle eagle or whatever.
• 1:14:02
  The the big circle, yeah, I call it circle pie plate his.
• 1:14:06
  Version had a blue version that did not keep very long.
• 1:14:09
  I call it the manhole cover. Yeah, the only reason I do like
• 1:14:13
  that next Gen. belt is because mankind does hold it.
• 1:14:16
  It's probably the only time I like that.
• 1:14:17
  Belt. I wasn't a fan of that belt.
• 1:14:19
  Yeah. And then they had the they would
• 1:14:21
  do the variance like Austin had the smoke and skull belt and the
• 1:14:26
  Rock had a brahmable belt. They did a lot of variance at
• 1:14:28
  that point too. And they did reintroduce the the
• 1:14:31
  old the eagle as the hardcore title.
• 1:14:34
  The urban legend was always they did an angle that when Hogan was
• 1:14:37
  chanting right before he lost at the Warrior where Mr. Perfect,
• 1:14:40
  not that where Mr. Perfect broke up the belt with a sledgehammer.
• 1:14:44
  And they say that was the one that was a hardcore title.
• 1:14:46
  And I don't think that's true though.
• 1:14:48
  Yeah, but then most recently on WB programming during a the
• 1:14:53
  return of Saturday Night Night night main event, they decide
• 1:14:56
  they're going to bring back the Winged Eagle championship to
• 1:14:58
  give it that retro look, that retro feel.
• 1:15:01
  Cody Rhodes has the title, he's going to wrestle Kevin Owens for
• 1:15:04
  it. And then they do this whole
• 1:15:05
  angle where Kevin steals the title.
• 1:15:07
  He he felt he justified and he won the title and he got screwed
• 1:15:10
  out. So the Winged Eagle did recently
• 1:15:12
  make an appearance on TV which I thought it was fun and.
• 1:15:16
  I I feel appearances. Yeah, I kind of hope it gets
• 1:15:19
  there's a like they we kind of have the new big gold with the
• 1:15:22
  with the the title that now Seth has.
• 1:15:24
  I kind of hope that Big W turns into a a version of the Eagle or
• 1:15:27
  something, or find a way to bring a variant of that title
• 1:15:31
  back and I. Don't think they have any plans
• 1:15:33
  on changing that title because it's their logo.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah, it's it's. And they get so much publicity
• 1:15:39
  by giving it to sports teams and everything like that.
• 1:15:41
  Anytime they have a big event, they have a giant version of it.
• 1:15:44
  There's a giant version of them in front of their corporate
• 1:15:46
  headquarters. I don't think that current
• 1:15:49
  version, as much as I prefer the winged eagle, I don't think that
• 1:15:52
  current version's going anywhere.
• 1:15:53
  So I I was thinking very hard to on this episode BP 'cause I was
• 1:15:56
  prepping so hard before the show started I was taking a nap and I
• 1:15:59
  decided I did not wear any WWE champions for this episode.
• 1:16:03
  Where my Dan house and shirt? There you go.
• 1:16:06
  But this is the new ABJ title made by my buddy Cody.
• 1:16:12
  This is made made in bread in Pennsylvania.
• 1:16:15
  This was not sent overseas. This was made right here in the
• 1:16:19
  US of A. But this is my version of the
• 1:16:21
  Winged Eagle. Essentially everywhere you would
• 1:16:23
  see the markings of the WWFWBI replaced it with ABJ and
• 1:16:28
  everything is pretty much original.
• 1:16:30
  The only thing that's changed is the ABJ in the front and then on
• 1:16:33
  the side plate, which I loved that the old belts have this,
• 1:16:36
  the old tag team, the old Intercontinental and the old
• 1:16:39
  world have this little plate that say champion or
• 1:16:42
  intercontinental or tag tag champion.
• 1:16:44
  And then they had the WB logo. I put the ABJ, the tip on there.
• 1:16:49
  It's gorgeous. I love it.
• 1:16:52
  Going forward though, BPI think the move is is less that has a
• 1:16:56
  logo I can spoof on the front. So like which I probably still
• 1:17:00
  won't do this boost, but like the AW logo will just have a BJ
• 1:17:04
  where the A/B AW would be or anything like that, the AW.
• 1:17:07
  But if it's a belt like the Intercontinental, the original
• 1:17:11
  IC or the tag or the modern US, So the modern, I see I'm going
• 1:17:18
  to keep the front plate original, but then put a piece
• 1:17:21
  almost like it's screwed onto the top of it and it's raised of
• 1:17:24
  the A/B GABJ over the top of the belt.
• 1:17:27
  So that's going to be the look of my now, now the WWE.
• 1:17:30
  Have the custom side plates though, that's that's perfect.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah, but I want it on the front.
• 1:17:33
  I kind of want this on the front of the belt to be like the
• 1:17:36
  trademark of my because I want to collect belts, but I want to
• 1:17:39
  have them in my own way and not have the actual belt.
• 1:17:44
  So if that makes sense, that's how I'm going to collect them
• 1:17:46
  going forward. But.
• 1:17:49
  Came out great. I loved it.
• 1:17:50
  Like I said, this is this is probably my favorite title.
• 1:17:54
  I will I, I I probably will get some hate for this, but my
• 1:17:58
  current day favorite title that I love I think is a gorgeous
• 1:18:01
  belt. I love the AEW world
• 1:18:03
  championship. I think it's a good looking tell
• 1:18:05
  the title. I think it the, the, the main
• 1:18:07
  play is a little smushed in for me.
• 1:18:08
  If it was a little wider, I would like it more because it
• 1:18:11
  does remind me of the the old IWGP title, which I love.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah, the the like the Tanahashi Okada era.
• 1:18:18
  That is such a beautiful belt. Yeah, and that, that, that AEW
• 1:18:21
  title is the triple stacked belt.
• 1:18:23
  That's three, three layers of belt on top of it.
• 1:18:25
  So when I get mine made, the guy pretty much said it, it's it's
• 1:18:28
  going to be a heavy boy. It's going to be really, really
• 1:18:30
  heavy. But yeah, so this is this is the
• 1:18:33
  new backdrop, just kind of going here.
• 1:18:34
  The new backdrop. I got the shelves.
• 1:18:36
  I put two more on top. I do have a new WWE Superstar
• 1:18:39
  figure coming in that I had to find on eBay 'cause it was
• 1:18:42
  impossible to find. And it does have a old title
• 1:18:45
  with it. So I'll do an unboxing with that
• 1:18:46
  very soon. But to wrap this up, the Winged
• 1:18:49
  Eagle wasn't the biggest belt. It wasn't the flashiest, but for
• 1:18:52
  a decade, if it was a symbol of being the very best in WWF, it
• 1:18:56
  stood for an era where the Champions didn't just represent
• 1:18:58
  a company, they represented wrestling itself.
• 1:19:01
  Even at the age of the giant titles, the digital screens, the
• 1:19:04
  wing eagle soars in the hearts of fans.
• 1:19:05
  It's more of a relic and a reminder that the gold meant
• 1:19:08
  everything. Until next time ABJBP reminded
• 1:19:11
  you. Champions come and go, but
• 1:19:12
  legends wear wings. That's.
• 1:19:14
  Right Champions wear wings and I'm watching them right now.
• 1:19:17
  That's why we recorded this on Tuesday.
• 1:19:20
  Well, before we close out BPBPPW on the 13th, Slatington, PA come
• 1:19:28
  on out for super show. Be a good time.
• 1:19:31
  I cannot wait for the match we've announced since the last
• 1:19:33
  time we've talked. Well, we announced it at the
• 1:19:34
  show but had to make sure some things were OK first.
• 1:19:37
  If they are. But VSK and Tony Deppen are
• 1:19:40
  going to go one-on-one for the PPWTV title, and I cannot wait
• 1:19:45
  for that one. Yeah, so we do have one more
• 1:19:48
  live episode on the 11th before PPW and we'll we'll kind of give
• 1:19:52
  you a full card rundown before PPW happens.
• 1:19:55
  So we'll talk about that on the 11th.
• 1:19:57
  And maybe I don't, I don't. Are you getting a ride up with?
• 1:20:01
  More than likely, yeah, I believe I am, yeah.
• 1:20:04
  I may need to hit you up in October, though.
• 1:20:06
  I may need to hit you up in October.
• 1:20:07
  Yeah, I was. I was at the sanctuary the other
• 1:20:09
  day. Yeah, wild.
• 1:20:11
  Then they haven't been there in a minute.
• 1:20:13
  It was neither. It was at this.
• 1:20:15
  Point. It was nice.
• 1:20:16
  It was nice to to soak it in again that listen, regardless of
• 1:20:20
  how things may have ended. That is home like I I, I don't I
• 1:20:24
  am not who I am in the wrestling business right now.
• 1:20:27
  If it's not for the sanctuary, very good place to.
• 1:20:30
  Learn your trade Very good place to learn your trade I.
• 1:20:32
  Snuck upstairs. I went into the our our little
• 1:20:34
  spot. I took a picture.
• 1:20:36
  I was like, we call some shit up here.
• 1:20:39
  You know what? I mean.
• 1:20:40
  Yeah, we got to call a guy who's now in a WAWAS Austin up in
• 1:20:44
  that, that little crow's nest, but got to see the cowboy,
• 1:20:48
  Cowboy Billy Walker. Happy birthday, 60th birthday.
• 1:20:51
  Guy shouldn't even be here. Diagnosed with cancer.
• 1:20:54
  It was a rough, rough go for him.
• 1:20:55
  He survived it. Cancer never had a chance.
• 1:20:58
  They never, never had a chance. Got to see face for the first
• 1:21:01
  time in a while. That was really nice.
• 1:21:03
  Andre Pelino for the first time in a while, that was nice seeing
• 1:21:06
  him. It was it was a good time so we
• 1:21:08
  got to see some love and got got to see some sanctuary love
• 1:21:11
  again. That was really nice.
• 1:21:12
  Anything else you want to plug before you get out of here?
• 1:21:14
  No, I think we covered pretty much all of it.
• 1:21:16
  But hopefully at this point in in real time, the Eagles are up
• 1:21:19
  by two or three touchdowns and. And then the Cowboys are
• 1:21:23
  statistically removed from playoff pitcher, Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Well, I think that happened when they traded Michael Parsons, but
• 1:21:28
  OK. Actually does not look like it
• 1:21:29
  was a terrible move. We'll.
• 1:21:32
  See. Did you hear about he's already
• 1:21:33
  has a back injury he might not even play for?
• 1:21:36
  He'll be fine. He'll be fine and good.
• 1:21:39
  I hope. No, I don't want to say that
• 1:21:41
  because I don't. I don't wish a career ending
• 1:21:42
  injury on anybody. He's.
• 1:21:44
  Really good when he's. Playing he's very good, but I'm
• 1:21:46
  not a big fan of the Packers even try to ban they they they
• 1:21:49
  got all whiny about a certain play that is now sponsored is
• 1:21:53
  now sponsored the first it might be the first ever sponsored
• 1:21:56
  football play. It is now the dude wipes.
• 1:22:00
  It is now the the Tush push brought to you by Dude Wipes.
• 1:22:03
  Oh my God, you might as well just put Slim Jim on his ass.
• 1:22:06
  It's. The official, they're the
• 1:22:09
  official. The official wipes of the touch
• 1:22:12
  push. That is wild.
• 1:22:15
  That's crazy. We're sponsoring football plays.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah. Well, make a play good enough,
• 1:22:21
  maybe. Maybe a commander's play a good
• 1:22:22
  sponsor too, hey? It's very possible Jaden Daniels
• 1:22:25
  is making magic, so who who knows what he pulls out of his
• 1:22:27
  bag this year. We will have some wrestle from
• 1:22:30
  from football content there. You may see some stuff on the
• 1:22:32
  ABJ podcast. I don't think I'm going to make
• 1:22:34
  it its own individual series. We might just talk about it as a
• 1:22:37
  ABJ podcast. Episode of people from the
• 1:22:38
  commanders don't play until like September that.
• 1:22:40
  That's I know, but I I think. It's like 16 a week, 18.
• 1:22:44
  I think it'd be fun to maybe once a week or every other week,
• 1:22:47
  we talk just a little football if we can, and just just ABJ
• 1:22:50
  podcast episodes where we're just like, hey, this is the 2025
• 1:22:54
  season. BPABJ.
• 1:22:55
  We could just call. I mean we won't make a full show
• 1:22:57
  out of it, but I think we should keep the name that we are
• 1:23:00
  talking about as like the ABJ. Podcast I don't, I don't know
• 1:23:04
  cuz I don't really. They're irrelevant now.
• 1:23:05
  Who who cares? They're they're they're nothing.
• 1:23:07
  But that's our common hatred, and I think I can make a cool
• 1:23:10
  logo out of it with the we the we hate Dallas.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah. But I I can't wait for the
• 1:23:17
  season to be fun. You kick off tonight when you as
• 1:23:20
  you guys are watching this, the NFL season kicks off.
• 1:23:23
  I did have one more Oh, if you guys want please check out iwtv
• 1:23:27
  subscribe and go check out the last fighter tainment.
• 1:23:31
  I got to do some ring announcing, some great
• 1:23:33
  fortunately. I had to miss that one, I was so
• 1:23:36
  bummed. Don't leave the the studio when
• 1:23:39
  we when we finish right away. I have to tell you something,
• 1:23:41
  but it was a great show raised I think, I think close to 1000 or
• 1:23:45
  maybe. 2000 I think they said it was in the four figures, which
• 1:23:48
  is great cuz it's all going to Jeff Cannonball and.
• 1:23:51
  Yeah, and that's what it's saying now.
• 1:23:53
  And there's another one coming up in September you can support,
• 1:23:56
  but on the IWTV stream, they put up Tony Dippin's PayPal.
• 1:24:01
  You can still go and watch the shows and donate money to Tony
• 1:24:03
  Dippin. I don't think Tony Deppen's
• 1:24:05
  putting a restriction of when this is going to be a thing
• 1:24:08
  because Tony Deppen did announce at the show that regardless of
• 1:24:11
  how this turns out, good, bad or indifferent is going to be a
• 1:24:14
  yearly thing. We're going to do a yearly
• 1:24:16
  cannonball show at Pilgru and and and help raise money to help
• 1:24:19
  they're. Also doing a big one in on the
• 1:24:21
  14th of September if you're in the New York area.
• 1:24:24
  I forget the exact location, but it's a high school in North
• 1:24:27
  Jersey, not too far from New York City where they are doing
• 1:24:31
  Cannonball Fest. Tony Deppen's taking on Willow
• 1:24:33
  Nightingale and JF will be there.
• 1:24:35
  They're gonna have a big show on on September 14th.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah, I think there's gonna be a car full of us going up for that
• 1:24:41
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• 1:24:52
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  We'll talk about that next week. I'm gonna be it.
• 1:24:58
  Wasn't very good. You didn't miss anything.
• 1:24:59
  I haven't watched the full pay-per-view yet.
• 1:25:01
  I got about halfway through and. Fellas, you didn't miss a whole
• 1:25:03
  lot. Yeah, I don't think I did
• 1:25:04
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• 1:25:06
  Here go birds.