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Societal Chaos · I Think Less of You Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: You are,
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  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: wearing clothes,
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  SPEAKER_00: so it is almost 11 o'clock and I've misstirred you and forced you
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  SPEAKER_00: to actually get dressed for the day.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I was.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wasn't not.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just.
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  SPEAKER_00: You were wearing pajamas.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, my regular clothes look basically the same as pajamas,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I
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  SPEAKER_01: don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a delineation.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I fly, I always grab the headphones that United passes out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like when you get on the plane and they ask if you want headphones, I always take them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And right now I'm really glad that I do because I needed wired headphones.
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  SPEAKER_01: High quality stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have no idea where my husband moved my headphones.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thankful to United for their cheap, free headsets.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got my lavalier mic working this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: The last week I couldn't get it working.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you plugged in?
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  SPEAKER_01: I am.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because your sound is not good when you're not plugged in for some reason.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do I sound good right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, you sound fine now,
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  SPEAKER_01: but we have a couple episodes that we didn't publish because I couldn't do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm in back, on my back patio, and I actually do have an outdoor plug that I plugged into.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's what I plug my smoker into, but, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, you are your smoker.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're sitting there smoking.
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  SPEAKER_01: I hate you.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's great.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sitting here drinking espresso.
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  SPEAKER_00: I already had my coffee for the day, so I'm now onto my soda.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, also annoyed at my husband because he introduced my son to my joy,
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  SPEAKER_01: the only joy I have in life.
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  SPEAKER_01: I look so forward to my nice Coke, Cherry Coke Zeros, like that's the one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love Cherry Coke Zeros.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're like my favorite thing on earth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Luke discovered them and is super into them and he started drinking mine and
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  SPEAKER_01: then my son got into them.
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  SPEAKER_01: I bought a brand new box and I've had two out of the entire box
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  SPEAKER_01: and they're gone today and I know it was my son who took the last one
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  SPEAKER_01: because he left the box.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm all excited to go over to have my wonderful Coke Zero and it's gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to say he shouldn't be doing artificial sweeteners.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really, he shouldn't do artificial sweeteners before your brain is finished developing.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a thing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, debatably, you shouldn't anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: They say.
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  SPEAKER_00: He shouldn't anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's all sorts of things that when your brain hasn't finished developing,
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  SPEAKER_00: you should probably steer clear of.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's worried about gains.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_01: you're not going to have to worry about gains when your mother kills you
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  SPEAKER_01: with her bare hands because you drank all of her Coke cereal.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean he's worried about gains, as in like gaining weight, like gaining muscle mass?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's a gym bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: You met my son, so you've seen he's very tall.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's kind of a string bean, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe that's why he's worried about gains.
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  SPEAKER_01: He used to be chunky.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now he's not even slightly.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, he'll send me gym reports like from the gym.
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  SPEAKER_01: He logs his workouts and it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: congrats, today you lifted a yacht, today you lifted a helicopter, like.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I've told you before,
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  SPEAKER_00: my daughters are way more active and into sports and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_00: My wife was much more,
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  SPEAKER_00: she played basketball and stuff in high school,
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  SPEAKER_00: but she was much more sporty than I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: But even beyond her,
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  SPEAKER_00: my daughters,
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  SPEAKER_00: they're always wanting to be out doing things and doing exercise-y things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be in my room with a book.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was all I wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted a nice rainy day and I could sit in my room with a book
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  SPEAKER_00: and make myself a pot of tea and sit and read my book.
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  SPEAKER_01: He sends us these.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you lifted a total of 21,628 pounds.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's like lifting a yacht.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they've gamified it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of...
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  SPEAKER_00: Gaming psychology actually has been used for a lot of good overall things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The way video games work is there's a set reward mechanism cycle.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of these fitness apps and whatnot,
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  SPEAKER_00: even like quitting smoking apps, quitting drinking apps, all these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: They gamify it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So there's like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you get that nice uptick in serotonin from,
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  SPEAKER_00: oh, I accomplished something on a regular basis.
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  SPEAKER_01: You need to look into the anti-smoking game.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just do.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're just mad because you can't have one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can have one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could go outside.
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  SPEAKER_01: I could sit outside on my patio and smoke.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love it for various reasons, including I love
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  SPEAKER_01: my family and want to torture them forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love to annoy them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And how could I smother them if I died of lung cancer and I wasn't here?
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  SPEAKER_00: The stats on that aren't as clear-cut as people say they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, in my family, they are.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have an uncle that died of lung cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: My grandma died of lung cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have an uncle who is still smoking, who actively has lung cancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of these things are much more genetic than people really will.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the many areas where we developed the idea
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  SPEAKER_00: that we could somehow universalize medicine and treatment and cures for things when
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  SPEAKER_00: so much is stuff is genetic.
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  SPEAKER_00: The amount we don't know about how
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  SPEAKER_00: the human body works is mind-boggling once you start noticing it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I almost took us down a line of commentary I don't want to engage in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for not doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I can't even picture what that would be, but feel free to not enlighten me.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I was just going to say, you can even survive
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  SPEAKER_01: capital punishment attempts.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that isn't genetic.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, when you're saying the body is capable of a lot of things,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just...
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, that has to do with the absurd way that the... That whole story is a mess.
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  SPEAKER_00: That has to do with the absurd way that we do the lethal injection.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can't get the cocktail they used to use for lethal injection.
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  SPEAKER_00: The drug companies will not sell them anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, like,
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  SPEAKER_00: they all got pressured,
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  SPEAKER_00: but they all got pressured by anti,
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  SPEAKER_00: um, anti-death penalty people to stop selling them the original cocktails.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and now,
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  SPEAKER_00: so now they just try to look- They just
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  SPEAKER_01: try to load them up a pedobarbital,
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  SPEAKER_01: apparently.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if, like, it's the stat, you can't get actual doctors to do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you have people who don't have the necessary training,
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  SPEAKER_00: trying to find a vein, trying to administer the doses properly.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's just an absolute, it's an absolute myth.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I mean, the Canadians seem to do it fine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you can't, you can't.
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  SPEAKER_00: From a leftward perspective,
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  SPEAKER_00: you certainly can't make the, oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's cruel and unusual argument because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, if it's cruel and unusual, what are we doing?
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of these same people are advocating for Canadian-style euthanasia in America.
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  SPEAKER_01: They should just be like me and be against both.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't think so.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is an area that we disagree.
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  SPEAKER_00: My wife's, I disagree on capital punishment as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I totally understand, like, look,
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  SPEAKER_01: if someone was to kill my child, I will dismember them, like, with my bare hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is my sin alone.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just, for religious reasons, I don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a fan.
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  SPEAKER_00: This may not, although I would bet it does to a degree.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's that?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to call him Good Tweetman because his current name is Otto von Pissmark.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is quite devoutly Roman Catholic and he posted,
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  SPEAKER_00: he quote tweeted earlier that I thought was an interesting thread.
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  SPEAKER_00: From a Catholic theologian fellow who was saying that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, look,
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  SPEAKER_00: the Catholic Church's relationship with,
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  SPEAKER_00: you The death penalty is very confusing and difficult to get your hands around
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  SPEAKER_00: because for much of history,
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  SPEAKER_00: and like I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure this is true for the Orthodox Church as well,
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  SPEAKER_00: for much of history, the Catholic Church was generally okay with capital punishment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a relatively recent thing that they have started taking an absolutist stance
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  SPEAKER_00: on no capital punishment.
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  SPEAKER_00: And
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  SPEAKER_00: There hasn't been enough work to square that circle.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Catholic Church,
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  SPEAKER_00: and like I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure the Orthodox Church as well,
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  SPEAKER_00: tries their best to not be like, oh yeah, those guys were just wrong in the past.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that's a door that's difficult to open of being like,
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  SPEAKER_00: okay, well, if they were wrong about that, what else were they wrong about?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you can make those arguments without stepping in it fully.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would also say I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, we we have things like we're able to keep prisoners forever now.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you get life, I don't think you should be given any appeals.
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  SPEAKER_01: That is your capital punishment.
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  SPEAKER_01: You are just locked away forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also don't think we should have insanity, please.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you are so insane that you are a danger to people, then you shouldn't be in society.
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  SPEAKER_01: You should be locked up forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm anti-death penalty, but it's not...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not that I don't want people punished forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want them serving.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just don't think that the government should kill people in my name.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that is different than, say, like waging war.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's entirely different.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I don't see it as that.
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  SPEAKER_01: When you're going in and protecting your people...
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  SPEAKER_01: But there's no parallel with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: With jail,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you're removing someone from society and keeping them in jail forever,
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  SPEAKER_01: you are protecting your population.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't have to go the extra step to kill people.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're not protecting the other prisoners or the guards, and that is in fact an issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I'm in isolation,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is actually kind of torture.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm actually okay with that, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, preferable to just putting someone like you have people like El Chapo
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  SPEAKER_00: or Ted Kaczynski who are just there and they see one day or one hour
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  SPEAKER_00: of sunlight per day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where they're allowed out into the yard alone and then they go back to their solitary style.
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  SPEAKER_00: I find that significantly more barbaric than just being like,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, you violated fundamental rules of society and this is what we have to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's so funny because I'm totally okay with that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, you shouldn't have gone about all the murdering.
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  SPEAKER_00: Innocent
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  SPEAKER_01: executions do happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: I bang on this drum a lot because I have a family story about an innocent execution.
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  SPEAKER_00: I saw you post that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wasn't this the person who was innocent but didn't actually want to give up all
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  SPEAKER_00: the details on his alibi to avoid incriminating Whitey Bulger?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, Whitey Bulger was not involved in this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Same family, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Irish side, unsurprisingly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, this is my Irish family.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Irish did not have a particularly good life in the teens in New York,
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  SPEAKER_01: and they were not viewed very, very well.
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  SPEAKER_01: My great-great-uncle had airtight alibis.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was a large family gathering that he was at.
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  SPEAKER_01: Numerous people said he was there.
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  SPEAKER_01: His wife said he was there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he...
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  SPEAKER_01: Didn't give up some other people,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that doesn't mean you should be executed for not giving someone up.
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  SPEAKER_00: In fairness, family members being like, oh, yeah, he was with me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that airtight an alibi?
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  SPEAKER_01: He was, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: And people and people knew it and people knew it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a bunch of very well-known businessmen took up his cause and were like,
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  SPEAKER_01: no, this guy's innocent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the governor said, like, I know he's innocent.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he was granted clemency after he was dead.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like same day.
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  SPEAKER_01: It just came in too late.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he he also had a failed execution.
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  SPEAKER_01: The leads on the electric chair slipped and the electrical power wasn't strong enough.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he was alive for like 15 minutes, which is abject like.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's awful torture.
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  SPEAKER_01: Much like what happened with this woman,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is not as clear an argument because she is a monster.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a horrible,
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  SPEAKER_00: horrible human
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  SPEAKER_01: being.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm in no way standing up for her.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if anything, it's maybe a little eye for an eye.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it okay that she got a little No, I'm not.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, though.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like we as a society, we don't torture.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think we are beyond executions because there is a way to take them out of society forever.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also I don't think they should be spending appeals time and money in that process.
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  SPEAKER_01: If we're taking away capital punishment, then get rid of some of the appeals.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I just I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think capital punishment is a good societal corrective.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it needs to happen much faster.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I do think it needs to be public.
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  SPEAKER_00: I actually think that we should go back to many forms of public punishment.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm okay.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: I am kind of okay with that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bring back town stocks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bring back a gibbet people have to hang out in for a week.
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  SPEAKER_00: But as far as execution goes, I do think that it is a good societal corrective.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it is necessary.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't necessarily have a moral problem with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I do think that it should be something that we as a society agree that we should watch.
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  SPEAKER_00: And not for pleasure, but just as, look, we are doing this.
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  SPEAKER_00: We have agreed that this is a thing that is necessary,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it is our duty to watch it happen,
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  SPEAKER_00: to understand the gravity of what we are doing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think, ironically, if that happened, we wouldn't have capital punishment anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, we'd have more.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Real Housewives people would be taking bets on Polly Market
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  SPEAKER_00: for how long they kept kicking after the trap door fell out.
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  SPEAKER_01: How disgusting.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know I'm right.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't think the true crime obsessives
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  SPEAKER_00: who are all running around defending what's-her-face would...
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  SPEAKER_00: Lindsay Clancy, you don't think they would be tuning in with popcorn?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, only if it
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  SPEAKER_01: was a man.
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  SPEAKER_01: They wouldn't be if it was a woman.
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  SPEAKER_01: They'd be protesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: But if it was a man, they'd be with popcorn.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's the counter argument to my,
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  SPEAKER_00: because it would just be,
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  SPEAKER_00: it would become a,
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  SPEAKER_00: you would do it with high ideals of everyone should have to watch the horror and
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  SPEAKER_00: then it would turn into like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, a big event and everyone would be excited about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just think it's,
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  SPEAKER_01: for so many of these horrendous cases,
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  SPEAKER_01: like in Tennessee, um, I feel like there's not any justice for the victims in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no justice in this world.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: There's no justice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't like that we put that in place.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that that is justice.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like God alone gives and takes away life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I don't like it done in my name from my government.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is an element of justice to it, but also it's just a societal corrective.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not a real justice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, one person alone gives justice, and it's not us.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and that's—I would say it is—
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's not necessarily justice so much as, okay, what word am I looking for?
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's retribution.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: Sort of, but catharsis.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know that that's healing for a human.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know that it's necessarily a question of healing.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a question of...
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: There has to be an ultimate consequence for some things.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: There has to be some things at which we say,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: and like I said,
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: through most of history, that was the stance of the Catholic Church.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't looked into it.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: I should look into it, but I'm sure that was the stance of the Orthodox Church as well.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_00: I can't imagine that they were a lot more liberal on that idea.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: We could have our church historian dig into it for us.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that's part of his dogmatics class.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that's a question that comes up during your priestly duties.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: You have to discuss that sort of thing.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_00: We, I think, agree and disagree on it.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I understand where you're coming from, and I don't see... And I understand where
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: you are.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't see it negatively.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: My wife is fiercely anti-abortion,
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: fiercely anti-death penalty for the same reason, the sanctity of human life.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it makes the pro-life argument so much stronger.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: And personally,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: that is something I do have a family like I know that my family still has scars
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: from all of that.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's I mean,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: frankly,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: this is a good thing,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: but I wouldn't even exist if that had not happened because my grandfather was
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: so ashamed and so hurt.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: He moved the entire family, never spoke of his brother.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't even know about this until the 90s when Andrew Cuomo,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: actually, the older... Mario Cuomo.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Mario Cuomo, sorry.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: The elder Cuomo did an entire...
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like posthumous pardoning of a bunch of wrongly executed prisoners to try to abolish
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: the death penalty nationally.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: And My Great Great Uncle is one of the cases that is always referred to.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can find in a ton of legal source books when they're arguing this,
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: like Thomas Bamberg is always talked about in that conversation.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, but people like Sacco and Vanzetti are also talked about in that conversation.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Sacco and Vanzetti did it.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of apologetics who are like, well, that was just anti-Italian, anti-socialist.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Zachary Manzetti 100% did it.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: So a lot of people who legitimately were perhaps
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: misexecuted get rolled in with
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: a lot of people who are just like call celebs of their time period who blatantly,
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: like Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Which is why they always put my great-great-uncle in because he was
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: an obviously innocent person and numerous people came to say it.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they did eventually find the person who did kill the police officer.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: But an Irish's word was not very good in the teens in New York City.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Some things are still true, though.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Hey.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Never trust anyone from my family.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, again, that family was hanging out with Wadey Bulger.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: And, like, you know, I could see why they were like, that guy probably did it.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Look at who he's hanging out with.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hanging out with, like, second cousins too, you know.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, you know.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: Genetics again.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: We come back to genetics.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, thankfully,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: my mom married a partially German and Polish guy,
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: so I've diluted down the Irishness with Polish, you know, just a potato at heart.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're a big old mutt.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: Literally a purebred potato-eating alcoholic.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Either way, you slice it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: So how's Boston?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Now that I just added that to our fun conversation.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Very deep stuff.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: How's Boston treating you?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Still fine?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's fine.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoying continuing to enjoy Wegmans?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: Look, I enjoy Boston.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think Boston is a great city.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think if you have to move to a big city, Boston is great because it has a very suburban feel.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: We are in the city, but we are in the suburbs all at the same time, which is great.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of history.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's really pretty.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's actually green.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have to worry about dying in a wildfire today.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: So all of that is positive, but it's not home.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: East Coast cities are very different like that because I feel like in most of
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: the Western United States, they didn't grow up organically.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like if you go to downtown Denver, people always say like, what do I do in Denver?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, don't, like what?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing to do in Denver.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's where you go to offices and things.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple restaurants downtown,
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: but like you can go to the zoo, you can go to a Rockies game.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: You could go to the art museum and then you're leaving Denver to go to Boulder,
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: to go to Fort Collins, to go to Colorado Springs, to go to the mountains.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Western cities aren't a thing.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: You don't live in them like East Coast cities do, but specifically Boston.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: Even Chicago is like that.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Famously,
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: at least when I lived there 20 years ago,
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: 15 years ago, whenever I lived there, my wife would know.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Even Chicago, the downtown area, it was all businesses.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: The downtown shut down at five.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you wanted to do something,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: you went out to one of the outer ring suburbs where everything was happening.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, no,
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: the East Coast cities operate like,
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: it's very much, but also you do have the close suburbs that are organically grew up.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not like,
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: just a lot of sub, like,
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: once you leave the city limits,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: you're just sub developments where as far as the eye can see,
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: it's, there are things that aren't technically the city.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: But are part of the larger demographic unit and have a lot of things to do in them.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's all of that is great.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's just hard, like living in a new place.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: Living in an apartment after, I haven't lived in an apartment for 20 years.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I would hate going back to an apartment.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: God bless you.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's rough.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it gets dirty so fast.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, there's four of us.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: I also have instituted a shoe-off rule because we live in the city.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: You have to.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's so gross.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's disgusting.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I understand.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: But how are my floors this dirty?
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: How do my daughter and I still have hair?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Because the amount of hair in the shower...
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Gross things like this that being in a newer house,
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: you don't have to think about because it was designed for these things.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I just, oh, it's, I don't know, I'm really over it.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: I miss my stuff.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I find it entertaining that you keep,
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: so you've moved to Boston,
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: which is one of the most liberal cities I'm aware of in the East Coast.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't care about that.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel more at home in liberal cities.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: You keep popping up with...
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: Less liberal it is than where you're from.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like, you're in Boston.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're in Boston talking about how this is like a conservative paradise.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Denver has gone, like, extraordinarily socialist.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't say that lightly.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there's actually a socialist who will be elected into Congress
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: because they defeated Diana DeGette.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's similar to Seattle in this way.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Where I live in Colorado is a,
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: it's, I live in a really small town on the Front Range in between really big towns.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we are in a more like red area.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: And my little town is very red.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I'm 15 minutes from downtown Boulder.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's me and my like four farm neighbors that are holding down our town.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so close to Boulder and yet Boston,
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, ah, they're really liberal, but they're not as commie.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_01: And mind you, I'm a block from Ayanna Pressley's district.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that bad.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: The thing is that, again,
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think this just has to do because the East Coast is just older
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: and has more history.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Union Democrats.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like the crazy socialists like the West has.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: The cultural institutions are...
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: Small C conservative.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: And the Democrats have tried to or the modern Democrats and DSA have tried
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: to break this but have had limited success because they will vote
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: for Democrats exclusively.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: But they also,
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: you can't go to, like,
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: they are, like,
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: just culturally,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: they are small-c conservative and don't like a lot of— They want
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: to preserve their culture.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: They're not progressive when it comes to—I mean,
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: I live right down the street from an Irish social club,
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: and I'm granted in a very Albanian neighborhood now,
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: but you better believe I'm going to become a member.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Speaking of people who want to preserve their culture,
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: have you been following events in France at all?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's so much mass rioting going on.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because we did actually bad about the idea.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: We are going on a winter, like...
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Fact-finding mission, we'll call it.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Jaunt, excursion.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: But you had suggested France, and I said that that sounded really fun for you.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: I really, really love going to France.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_01: France has been a place where we've had a lot of beloved family vacations.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: I love going there.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really feel comfortable going there without my husband.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: And while you are a large man, I just,
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel comfortable going anymore without,
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: like, my husband, who I know will take a swing if he has to for me.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: It does feel very different than it used to feel.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: Going to France used to feel I love French culture.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: The last few days you've had...
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: A massive amount of rioting by,
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: what's it, Visegrad, somewhat scub and scuzzy news aggregator from around the world.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're out of Ukraine and Warsaw.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're better than some, worse than...
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: There's pros and cons to their coverage.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: They do tend to be a little, like...
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: What they describe as second and third generation migrants rioting,
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: burning church properties,
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: burning schools, ripping the heads off of statues of Mary, that sort of thing.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, England just says, welcome, please do all of this.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I was thinking about this because I was seeing these videos.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: There seems to be a lot of unrest going on with these groups right now.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's a coincidence that this is happening so soon after
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: the Pope showed up in France.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: And you had the massive outpouring of excitement for him.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: There were videos of him processing down the Champs-Élysées with massive crowds
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: of people on either side cheering and waving Vatican flags.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's a coincidence that you're having this massive upheaval
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: within relatively recent migrant communities,
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: non-Christian migrant communities, so soon after that.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: France is going to become the flashpoint, I really feel.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that Spain will be a lot because— I
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: don't know if Spain has the energy anymore.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they do, which is really sad.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: Look at Spanish history.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: The Portuguese might,
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: but honestly,
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's going to be the French, and it's going to have to be the French.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: England, I feel like, is the...
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: The polite British society is easily foiled by things like Islam and militant Islam.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that they are kind of going to lose that battle at this point, just demographically.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I think in France,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: they are at a point where The more politicians just ignore all of their problems and
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: the more politicians just shove globalism at their population,
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: bad things are going to happen.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't necessarily want those bad things to happen,
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: but I feel like it's kind of inevitable when the population has been ignored for
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: so long.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't just the whole thing is just not great.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I just want nothing to do.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's not—nothing good is going to come of this.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: I have said before, when it comes to America, I'm not at all an ethno-nationalist.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that the American— You still want the Irish here.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yes.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Italians, I'm on the bubble on.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I think—I don't remember if I said here before.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: I said it on the timeline before
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: that I read somewhere once that— There are Americans born every day
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: in other countries, and our job is to find them and bring them here.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: We're a philosophical idea nation,
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: and if you are willing to align yourself with the philosophical ideals upon which
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: the nation is built,
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: then you are welcome to be embraced in the bounty of the American land.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: However, when it comes to Europe, if you look at these...
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: France is the land of the Franques.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: England is the land of the Angles.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Their entire identity, they are traditionally ethnostates.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, they've been muddled over the years.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's been interplay and whatnot, but it was always very slow.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, the Normans in both France and England, obviously.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: And you have the border regions between France and Germany,
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: which flip back and forth because they are a bit of both.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: But for the most part, Europe is defined by its peoples.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they,
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: for some reason,
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: tried to transpose an American ideal onto themselves by Without being,
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: but when they are not philosophically derived countries like America is,
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: and it has not worked at all.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: And we were talking about how right now,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: like specifically in the Orthodox Church,
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of talk about maintaining a Greek identity within the Greek Orthodox,
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: which is abbreviated as Go Arch if you ever see that.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: We go to Greek churches.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: My husband is at a Greek seminary.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's at Hellenic College.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: He has to learn Greek.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: He knew a little Greek, but he has to be like proficient.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we're talking about as Orthodoxy expands in the U.S.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: and we have like record number of catechumens and inquirers,
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: do we make it less Greek to bring in more Very,
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: very white Protestant, you know, People who have no ties to Greece at all.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I have always been, and this is a little bit of a different opinion than my husband has.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: I actually like that they keep a lot of Greek in it.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: I like that half the service is in Greek.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: I like that they keep a lot of like Greek cultural events because for me,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I grew up Roman Catholic.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was a signifier to me that things are different in And
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: that it follows different flows and different paces.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I like that they are the ones that kept this alive and kept it going
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: and It helped me from the beginning, like set the tone.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is going to change me.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to go into this.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even though this isn't my identity, like I'm going to assimilate into it.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: It just set a delineation of like, this is a different space.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And now we have so many people coming in and kind of overly Protestantizing a lot of things.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, wait, no, we don't do this.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can have your traditions without being explicitly Greek.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I mean,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: they call it that,
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: but that's who,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: like, we also are a church that is very big on
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: patriarchal obedience.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Which is fine.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: And we're under someone in Constantinople.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sure, but the Roman Catholic Church is under someone in Rome,
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Italy, but they don't expect everyone to know Italian.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, and they don't have to.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: And there are a lot of churches that do it all in English.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a big move to make it English only.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't do any.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: So for us, we do a response in English.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: As a outsider,
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: I will say,
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: I think that it is,
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: given that the Orthodox and the Catholic Church share the same root,
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: so the Roman Catholic Church share the same root,
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: I assume the Orthodox Church believes itself to be and aspires to be
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: the universal church.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: I cannot,
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: you can't say I'm the universal church and be like,
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: oh, but by the way, I'm universal church, but only Greek-centric.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not because they actually, I mean, we don't have a pope.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: We have equal bishops.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: We have Romanian archbishop who's on the equal footing.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: We have Georgian.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: We have Russian.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: All Orthodox.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: All Orthodox bishops are equal.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Some are just more equal than others, right, Bartholomew?
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: He's more equal because the CIA installed him.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love how you don't actually have a good response to that.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm okay with that.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm okay with America having some power in all of this because,
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: let's face it, Europeans left to their own devices.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's true.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: I realize this is all really hypocritical,
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_01: but I do see a lot in European cultures that we need to preserve.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I live that out in my everyday life to a culture that I'm not even a part of.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's, I think...
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: What a lot of Europeans don't necessarily understand about American outlook
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: on Europe is that I think that it isn't that we don't like Europe.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's that we tend to be horrified when we're horrified by what's happened to Europe.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: I think we actually love Europe more because we want Europe to remain.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: The Europeans would counter, I will, to be fair, that it's not that they don't like America.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: They don't like what America has become.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: But...
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think that your average American has a better understanding
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: of European cultural history than your average European has
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: of American cultural history.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that we have the better half of the argument.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: With the glaring exception, of course, for all of this being Eastern Europe.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, no one cares about Eastern Europe.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: And yet they should, because Eastern Europe is the best
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Europe.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Eastern Europe was the forefront of the battle against both the Saracen hordes of
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: the Ottoman Empire and against the Soviet hordes.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: Greece is not Eastern Europe, obviously, but they do have a very Balkan mindset.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: There has been a big push lately,
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I think it's because of the prime minister of Greece,
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: who I'm not necessarily going to,
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: like, sing his praise one way or another, but I do know that—
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: They say that,
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: but I think that means he appreciates Greek culture and wants it to survive into
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: the future.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I remember when his party was running and they won,
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_00: everyone was like, oh, this is the end, they've gone Nazi.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of course.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, a lot of what he's talking about is protecting Crete.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: He is very invested in protecting Crete and protecting Egypt.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: Just the most depraved,
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: awful things happened to Armenians and Greeks and not all that long ago,
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: just a few generations ago.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it's interesting and watching some of those moves in light of everything happening in France.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: You won't ever hear me defending the Turks.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: Turkey should not be in NATO,
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: should be considered to be an adversarial nation to America and the West in general.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: No argument here,
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: but also no comment, because I do occasionally have to travel through Istanbul.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: I travel through Istanbul.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: The airport was nice.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Just don't fly out of Dubai to Tel Aviv anytime soon.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, don't do that.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: That was quite the story.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm a really skittish flyer for someone who flies quite a lot,
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: and that story did not assuage any of my fears of flying.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was thinking yesterday, I feel like, was a very good day for conservative aligned things.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: Because that was the attempt at hijacking.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: That was the big dominant story of the day.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was a really big neocon throwback day.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: All of us college Republican neocons were like, ah, we're back at it.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was a bad day for the Groypers.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: You have an Indian subcontinent.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_00: Continent native was the pilot who did a lot of work himself.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: He hit the button to open the door.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: He fought off as far as he could.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: The Omani co-pilot.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: Then you have a whole bunch of presumably IDF-trained Israeli.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: Why you would think this is a plane filled with people who you know were most likely in the IDF?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: At some point have military training.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you think they're the ones you want to do this on?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: But so you have this story, which turned out so much better than anyone would expect it to.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the whole story is insane.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: I. Yeah.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yesterday you had this drumbeat of stories coming out of.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Bad day for Iran.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was a bad day for Iran.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_00: You had the White House Twitter account posted.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was funny.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you saw this.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: They posted a chart that the Cato Institute had put out showing just
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_00: the absolute crash in how many refugees we've experienced.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: A huge amount of immigration.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: We are net negative in immigration currently,
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: which is,
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_00: if you go back, what we were told five, ten years ago is that was an insane thing.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was similar to Obama's,
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: these jobs aren't coming back,
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: which is another thing that is not being talked about enough,
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: that the American economy is in fact...
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not knocking that.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of people feel it.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: With corporate overuse and possibly abuse of some H-1B visa programs.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I, like you,
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: also want to find the Americans that are spread all over the world,
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: that believe in the American dream, that love America with all of their hearts.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: I have sister-in-laws who are both from other countries and love America for different reasons.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Immigrants make some of the best Americans.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_01: And also,
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: when we're bringing people in because we can pay them a sub-American wage for
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_01: a relatively unskilled job, that is an issue.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: That is an abuse.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: We should be paying Americans.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Americans should be able to get work.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: The H-1B issue folds into a larger issue, which is the lack of significant regulatory reform.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: And we definitely need massive sweeping regulatory reform that hasn't happened.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there have been other things on the table.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: Trump, in fact, still has two years.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if regulatory reform can happen with
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: the Democrats holding either chamber of the House.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: The Republicans who are currently in the Senate holding the Senate.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_01: It won't happen with Republicans, like, full stop.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: For this to happen, we need a Clinton Democrat to push it through.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't think those exist anymore because the Dems are—I mean,
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: frankly, Trump is the last Clinton Democrat we're going to have for a long time.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm joking, but also I'm not.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean that.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: He was a Clinton Democrat.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_01: He is.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: No, he is.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he always has been.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_01: The left has moved so much further left.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a shame because I think that's the only way we'd get it because
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: so many Republicans, frankly, don't have a spine.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: So many Republicans are addicted to calling out the idiot things that Trump does.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he does plenty of them.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: There's ample resource for that.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: Also, we're not calling out things like actually getting things done that we advocate for.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: We're not calling out anyone else.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: We're only focused on Trump and what a dumbass he is.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: OK, great.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: What about Senate?
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: What about the House?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: What about people that are doing absolutely nothing?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: You have so many things that can't get through the Senate
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: because enough Republican senators just personally don't like Trump.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_00: This has been a heinously bad legislative session.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: Because the House is actually being very productive.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: The Senate is stonewalling basically everything because there are enough senators
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: who just personally don't like Trump.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: Because Mitch McConnell is pissed that Trump diverted funding to some of his pet races.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, literally, that's what it is.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you have never Trumpers up there shouting from the rooftops like, oh, Trump, Trump, Trump.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, where's any of this ire for anyone else?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: Trump sucks.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: We all know it.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: You may feel a moral obligation to call him out, but it's been done.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: How about put some actual skin in the game
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: and call out someone else who's not living up to their elected promises,
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: who's not actually governing or doing anything else?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: The executive is not supposed to be the be-all end-all.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: If you're all no kings on this, call out the frickin' Senate that's doing nothing.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, that's a random soapbox, but.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: No, I agree.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: You have people like John Cornyn,
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: who I certainly supported him over...
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, Ken Paxton's an idiot
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: and belongs to me in jail, so I hope he
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_00: wins.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Every time Cornyn has spoken since the election, I've been like, well, now I understand.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because he's just like, you know, full-on just straight Democrat now.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's just like, you know...
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: He always has been, though.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I remember...
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the House when I worked in the Senate.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, he always has been.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: If your political stances change because you're ticked off,
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_00: then they weren't your political stances.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: They were just things you were saying because you thought they'd be good at the ballot box.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I don't.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: I can, like, 100%,
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: if Trump does something that goes against your long-held beliefs and you speak up
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: against it, 100%, you should do that.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, that is.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're just suddenly flipping on a huge number of things
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_00: that were your policy platform for an extended period of time just
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: because you don't like the guy who's suggesting it,
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_00: then you were never a conservative.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: That isn't a conservative way to think.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or there's so many people who scream all day about how
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: if you're not calling out Trump 24-7,
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: you have no principles and you have no backbone and all these things.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, OK, but again, like you're only focusing it one way.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_01: Our country is going to have its own reckoning at some point.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't actually want,
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people kind of call for that and they're like,
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: oh, Civil War, blah, blah.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_01: I actually don't want that.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: That actually sounds awful.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want my kids to have to go through any of that.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want any of this unraveling to happen.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds terrible.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: I just wish we could have a national lobotomy before we get there.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_00: I found a YouTube channel that I thought was quite interesting.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_00: He did the other day, which was a, he was an English professor, young guy, fairly young.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he's a full professor anywhere,
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: but he was discussing,
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_00: he has this whole thing where he is saying that,
• 53:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm thinking of this in response to your Civil War thing,
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_00: he was saying that people keep talking about how we're Either going into a period
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: of civil war or a dark age.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: And his thing was that he said that if you look,
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_00: in many ways we are just as likely going into another renaissance.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: That you have...
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_00: There is an you need not a lot of people who are interested in traditional ways
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_00: and traditional ways of understanding to kickstart these kind of movements.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I was thinking about it.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think that is also because there is just so much more drive.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: I like that positive twist.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's a lot more powerful to frame it that way and see hope for the future from this.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: I hope it's a lot more motivating to me at least than despair.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_00: But like, you know, there is a huge.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_00: So his thing, the video is actually very interesting.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you haven't read Edmund Spencer's Fairy Queen.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: You are so dismissive.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Have you read it?
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: You are so dismissive
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_00: of me.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: Just say you've read it and then I'll apologize.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_00: So dismissive of me.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: Rodney Dangerfield of this.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_00: No, but the video was just,
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_00: he was just,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: in fairness,
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: he is doing a,
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: which I actually thought was fairly clever,
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: he's doing an online in-depth discussion class about Edmund Edmund Spencer's
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: the Fairy Queen.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: But he was discussing that the reason he's doing this is that they don't teach
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_00: the Fairy Queen anymore, even in English departments.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, if you're getting a degree in English,
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_00: they don't teach Edmund Spencer's the Fairy Queen anymore,
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_00: which was considered one of the most foundational books of the English language
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_00: for most of modern history.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: And he said the reasoning for this is that high school students...
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_00: are not learning enough English to be able to understand these things.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: Collegiate-level
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: English departments have basically cut most of the canon out,
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_00: partially to slot in 20th century writers,
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: but partially because they've made the calculation that kids aren't learning enough
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_00: in high school to actually be able to handle collegiate-level English.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: So they're spending the first several years
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_00: of college English basically doing remedial high school training.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_00: And then they get to Shakespeare because they decided that Shakespeare is the one you can't cut.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we just need to get these people up to able to understand Shakespeare.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they've cut Philip Sidney.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: They've cut Edmund Spencer.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_00: They've cut Ben Johnson.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: They've cut all these people who were contemporaries or in the same canon
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: as Shakespeare and just saved Shakespeare.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_01: We have definitely dumbed things down,
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_01: but I will say some of that has been going on since I was in school.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_01: I will also say, like, I took Shakespeare 1 and 2 college-level courses in high school.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: I was always a huge reader, and I was in theater, and I loved Shakespeare.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_01: But it's high school level.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's not college level.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Also,
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: when I went to a Jesuit school my first year and transferred back to Colorado State
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: because I decided I didn't want a degree in marketing and I wanted to be in politics
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_01: and they didn't have a political science degree.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: Department at the Jesuit College I went to.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: But I specifically remember sitting.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: There's one teacher I remember more than any other teacher.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: He sat me down.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're in this English class and he asked me to stay after class.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, what the hell?
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm the only person who knows anything that's going on.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, you actually understand grammar and know how to write.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, please, please.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_01: Change schools.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, you need to go somewhere else because it's all going to be wasted here.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, you're the only smart kid I have in my class.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm doing remedial grammar for all of them.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: And you're the only one.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, please don't answer any more questions because you are setting the curve.
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  SPEAKER_01: They never will have a chance.
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  SPEAKER_01: And also, I Please leave here and go somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was really sweet.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was nice encouragement.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I'll say that dumbing down has been happening since I was in my freshman year of college.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_00: But, but, and I brought this whole thing up to wrap into my
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_00: ensuing renaissance argument.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the same time,
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  SPEAKER_00: Because of this,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think,
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  SPEAKER_00: you have a uptick in people who are interested in schools that focus on
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  SPEAKER_00: the great works.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_00: You have the rise in homeschooling.
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  SPEAKER_00: A lot of these homeschooling programs are very They're all classics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Are these things that are focused on the classics and
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  SPEAKER_00: on traditional teaching methods and topics?
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  SPEAKER_00: And even on college,
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  SPEAKER_00: not the big colleges,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you have an uptick in people who are interested in going to places like,
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  SPEAKER_00: was it St.
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  SPEAKER_00: John's in Annapolis,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is focused,
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  SPEAKER_00: their entire curriculum is based around the great course,
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  SPEAKER_00: or Hillsdale College, which is a Christian school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hillsdale, which is Socratic, or Pepperdine, which is also...
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  SPEAKER_00: It's more classics-based curriculum.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was discussing this with my wife,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I said,
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_00: of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: the problem is that, like,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: You have parents who care are really focusing or trying to focus their kids
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  SPEAKER_00: on these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to focus our kids on these things.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, that's because we were discussing the books they read in school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like my wife was talking about when she was in school,
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_00: they were reading much more complex books by the time they were our kids age.
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I was like, so we are doing the work we can to help our kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I feel bad for them because they're going to be surrounded in a world
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: where other people Other people's parents weren't.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, this has always been the case.
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  SPEAKER_00: The vast majority of people don't need much education,
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: don't have use for much education,
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  SPEAKER_00: perhaps aren't really mentally equipped to acquire much education.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_00: But you don't need a lot of people.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: You need a few people, but enough that you can kickstart something.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I really like that outlook.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that it's a nice white pill that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we may not necessarily,
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: like, you know, 20, 30 years down the road, we may not be in a civil war.
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  SPEAKER_00: We may, in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: be in a world where enough people have grown into a worldview that is aspirational,
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  SPEAKER_00: that they are able to successfully push back and you do have something of
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: a modern renaissance.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: We are seeing that with things like people going around and talking about road signs
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  SPEAKER_01: and plaques, which is something we're going to have to get to next week.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_01: We've been talking for an hour and you've probably had enough of me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nope, I haven't.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: Can't wait for this winter when you're going to have to deal with me for like over 10 days.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to be horrible.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go crazy.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: You need earplugs.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: Get some good earplugs now.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll reconvene next week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
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  SPEAKER_01: Bye.
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