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Ep. 254 ~ The Gooch · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Remember like Bob Clark and Doug Campbell, they actually devoted the show, what
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what it is, so sucks, but we'll get through it and hopefully on
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the other end come out okay. So today on the show, it's episode
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number two hundred and fifty four, and I saw my buddy Robbie on Out
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of the Blank had Jim Gokanauer on his show, and I'd known that he
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was speaking at at Lancer this year as as I am. I and my
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buddy Joe, and you know, I know I had heard some things about
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his allegations, you know, throughout the years, but that's you know,
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you forget a lot of things. So luckily my uncle Dave, you know,
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one of my biggest supporters of the show, Uncle Dave out there,
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and I think he moved, but he might be in New Mexico areas somewhere
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out in the southwest where it's hot as hell, but it's a dry heat,
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so it's good for his arthritis. Uncle Dave sent me a couple of
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links to go through, and we're gonna be looking at some of Jim Cocinaur's
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allegations from the HSCA era of things. So we're gonna hop in our time
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machine and go on back to nineteen and seventy seven may to be exact where
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Jim Cocinaur is interviewed by who is this guy? Howard the hell's his name?
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Cold? Please? Howard Gilbert? Whoever the hell that is? So,
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basically, Jim Goggenauer comes forth with some allegations that were told to him
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by a man by the name of Carver Gayton, Carver Cayton, and Jim
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Groganer tells the story of meeting Carver Gayton in Seattle, Washington. He believes
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it was nineteen seventy one, December of seventy one, and then he says,
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oh, no, in nineteen seventy December of nineteen seventy and at the
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time he was going to the University of Washington at Seattle. And he says
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that Gayton, Carver Gayton came over to their place, and he said he
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was in the area and he didn't live too far from where we were,
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and he came over and we talked for a while, and he mentioned that
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he'd happened to have been an ex FBI agent, and he's asked, did
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he initiate that subject? And Jim says yes. And they said, now,
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prior to your conversation with Gayton, had you had any connection at all
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with Kennedy assassination investigation. Cocinauer says, not directly. What had happened prior
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to that is that I'd been talking with two people. One was a fellow
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who was involved in the Seattle Secret Service, and I had met him in
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a sort of an oblique way. And what had happened was that I was
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trying to get some photographs that had been taken in daily plans at that time,
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and I was going to make some photo silkscreen decals of them for an
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art project. And when I tried to locate how I could get hold of
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the photographs, the UPI said that I'd have to call the Secret Service.
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And when I called the Secret Service, I got this guy on the line
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named Elmer Moore, and he started talking with me and he says, well,
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let's take take mister Moore at the after we finished with the caton and
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Goanner says, yeah, okay, well I'm saying what he write, Yeah,
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I just want to know what information you had, so we know that
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you had something. And Gokanaer says, very very skinty, very little.
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He knew very little about the assassination at this time. Okay. Now,
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Gayton mentioned in now did you bring that uhlicit that that he had been a
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former FBI agent or did he volunteer it? Goganarus says, no, he
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uh He asked me what I was doing and what my goals and plans were.
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And after I told him, I said, by the way, what
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do you do? He said, well, I used to be an FBI
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agent since he's a black guy, you know. I said, oh,
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yeah, because I didn't really believe that there were black FBI agents, Okay,
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and he says, oh, sure I was. And we started talking
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and we talked about, you know, all the whole situation at that time.
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Spirou agnew was into this thing, you know, when we were going
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on about various different subjects, and it finally came around to the fact that
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he said he was very disturbed by the assassination of Martin Luther King, very
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very disturbed, he said. By the way, in a curious coincidence,
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he said, I happen to have been in assigned to the Kansas City Field
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office. He said he was assigned to that office right after he got out
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of the FBI academy. Apparently they asked him what year. Of course he
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doesn't remember. Anyway, he did say that he was talking with a guy
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by the name of Hosty, right, host the hos t Y right,
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Jim Hosty, who had been intimately involved with the Oswalds. And he said,
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well, he let me interrupt you for a second. Gayton was volunteering
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this information to you, Jim says, right, while I was asking him
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some questions as it was rolling along. It was a very long conversation,
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you know, offered some refreshment there, you know, and everything, and
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we were just sitting there talking about it. Do you recall the address where
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you were when he had this conversation with you, Yes, one thirty five
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East Harvard Avenue in Seattle. And your wife is president also, yes,
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he says, Okay, I understand. Now let me see if my notes
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are correct. I was told by Dick Sprague that perhaps other researchers had also
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been president at this time of your conversation with Gayton, and Cocinat says,
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no, no, no, just my wife and myself, and her sister
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was there for a little bit. What was her sister's name. You can't
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make this stuff up, folks. Her name was Tina Tingle. Tina Tingle.
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How old was she at the time? Seventeen? No, no,
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I take that back. She would have been sixteen, So sixteen, Tina
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Tangle. All right, So they asked about her da da da uh So
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all right? Would you go back in the conversation to the point where Gayton
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started talking about Oswald's and a Hosty Right, okay, he brought up he
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says, by the way, he says, I said to him, I
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said, you know, there's some speculation or words to this effect, and
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I mean, there's some speculation that Oswald was connected with the government at some
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point. And he says, oh he was. I says, oh,
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you know that for a fact. He say, oh, yeah, Hosty
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told me that he was. What he was was a security a potential security
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informant. Of course they're talking about Oswald here. Now did he say that
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Hosty used the term potential security informant? Go Canaler says, yeah, that
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was the first thing he said, okay, And he said that the problem
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with Oswald was that he wasn't doing any informing. You mean, he wasn't
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turning in sufficient information. He wasn't doing anything apparently, all right. He
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said that Hosty was irritated and he was getting pressure to find out why Oswald
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wasn't giving information, and that he was running around trying to pressure Oswald into
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talking with him about it at some length, but of course he gets interrupted.
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Did he Gayton indicate what type of information Oswald was supposed to be giving
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the FBI? No, did he indicate at the time whether or not Oswald
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was to be paid for the information or was he receiving money at the time
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from the FBI. Jim says, I'm trying to get it straight. I
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think that he told me that Oswald was being paid, he was being given
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a certain amount of money, but that Oswald wasn't. I can't remember distinctly.
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Oswald wasn't showing up at his drops, he wasn't leaving the kind of
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information at these drops that he was supposed to, and that he just simply
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was not communicating at all with a bureau. Was there anything in this conversation
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relating to whether or not Oswald was reporting information about potential assassination of the president.
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No, Okay, what else was said about Oswald Hosty? Jim says,
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well, apparently the reason that Hosty had talked with Gayton was the fact
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that Gayton had bailed him out of a ticklish situation in Kansas City. Apparently
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Hosty had blown some sort of a cover for some sort of surveillance. And
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I guess Hosty was being in a punishment situation in Kansas City to begin with,
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and I guess more black marks against him had been a problem. And
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apparently Gayton had covered up some indiscretion at a stake at a stakeout of some
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sort. I really don't remember the details on it. They asked him about
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the year this was taking place, He doesn't know. But Gaiton was ecstatic
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about the fact that something was wrong with Oswald and that he was an informer
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at some level some sort. But he wasn't talking, he wasn't giving information,
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he wasn't cooperating, And apparently Hosty's mission or one of the things that
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he had to do was to try to pressure Oswald into giving the information or
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talking, but he wouldn't do it. Who's a going I felt that it
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was kind of interesting that he would be talking to me about it. It
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seemed to me as the conversation was going along, he was getting more and
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more vented up that Hosty had been wronged somehow by the bureau. In the
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whole episode. He did say that Hosty had opened his mouth somewhere along the
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line, and Hoover, I guess they have some sort of an inspection bureau
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or something within the FBI said, you know that he did a transgression there
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in handling the whole situation around the assassination situation, so they sent him to
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Kansas City as part of a punitive punishment. So, yeah, we all
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know that. Nothing further other than the fact that he closed up the conversation
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by saying that he was perfectly willing to rent the apartment or actually it was
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a flat to me on twenty third Street, and then he'd liked to talk
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about it further and he had had an interesting conversation with us. So about
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three weeks later they moved in Okay. So apparently, as Carver Gayton had
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rented Jim Gokanaur an apartment, um they should he should even showed the House
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Selection Comittee a copy of the lease that he'd hung on too to prove it,
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and he says. My next contact was probably about three or four weeks
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later, when he had witted my appetite enough to start him some point blank
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questions, you know about the fact a while Okay, here you've told me
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something that's pretty startling. You know, you're saying that, Okay, Oswald
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was indeed some sort of informant and being paid for it. So talking about
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school again, I just want to hit the juicy spots, Okay. Basically
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I went up there to tell him, you know, that I was in
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and that I really liked the place and everything, and we started talking again.
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I guess at that point he showed me a picture of Bobby Kennedy with
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Kennedy's signature on it, and he gave me a description of how people were
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being prepared to go into shake hands with Hoover and he was among the first
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group of black agents. I think he graduated in sixty four or something like
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that out of the academy, and he would give me a description of that,
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and then I think I had broken in with you know, you were
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telling me that Oswald was in fact some level of informer for the FBI,
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And I think at that point I did ask him what he was supposed to
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have been informing about, and Gayton said, I don't know. He says,
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I don't really know. All I know is that Jim host he had
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been trying to pressure or find the guy and pin him down to why he
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wasn't cooperating. So apparently Oswald had some sort of apartment in some suburb of
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Dallas. And he says, yeah, okay, And apparently Hosty just went
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right over there one evening and tried to locate him, and he banged on
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the door a couple of times and nobody answered. So what he did was
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he took a note out. Now, Hosty told Gayton this, and Gayton
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was relating his back to me. Okay, and he said that he wrote
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a telephone number in Hosty's name on this paper and put the paper under the
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door. Who did this, Hosty? Yes, Hosty, And he slipped
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that under Oswald's wife's door. No, the apartment I believe, the one
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in Irving. Yeah, okay, And I guess the Oswald's never responded to
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it, all right, And I guess at this point Hosty got pretty angry
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and was going to what what was Hosty going to do? Folks. He
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said, Carver Gaton kind of not away from talking about things, and he
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said he used the word in embarrassing about this whole episode, that it was
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just a big embarrassment. And he kept saying the word to tell you that
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Hosty had discussed with him a particular note or threat that Oswald was supposed to
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have left for the FBI for Hosty. And he says no, And they
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asked him than anything else come up in conversation, you know, and they
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just go on and on and on about a lot of other things other than
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just the assassination. And I think that when it was brought up about Hosty,
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Gayton sort of tailed away from it some what so to speak. Okay
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after that, but he did emphasize the point that Hosty was mistreated by the
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whole episode, and he did emphasize the point that Hosty was very very very
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very more and clear of the fact that Oswald was some sort of security informant.
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Did he ever say to you that Hosty had stated or represented that Oswald
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had been giving information about a proposed assassination. No, No, I never
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heard any words like that, he says one day, towards the end of
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the time that we were at Gayton's place, which was about a year later,
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I went over to his office and I wrote him a letter. He
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says, I think you should give this information to the congressman, and you
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know, talking about the HSCA investigation. So apparently he wrote a letter to
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Gates and hand delivered it to him in the office. I intimated to him
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that my wife's relatives our friends with Senator Proxmire, and that by some means,
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you know, that we should really do is tell what he knows,
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you know, to an official person, you know, some sort. And
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in it I went over the fact that he had told me things that had
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to do with Hosty. Okay, the things you referred to me. Yes,
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So basically this goes on and on. So basically just a nutshow.
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All that he became tangentially involved with. A former FBI is named Carver Gayton,
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a black, former black FBI man, one of the first in the
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nineteen sixties, and he told him he had been stationed with Hosty in Kansas
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City, and Hosty had told him that Oswald had been in a potential security
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informant paid by the FBI for information but not giving up any information. So
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that's interesting. Now, let's take a look at some of the things that
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Jim Goggenharer said about Secret Service agent Elmer Moore from the same interview. So
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he turned over all his notes and everything else to the Schweiker Committee, and
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they were more interested in and elm were more than they were in Gayton Carver
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Gayton. Now, the interesting thing about the Elmer Moore allegations. All right,
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can you give me a very brief indication of why what areas that Moore
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had anything to do with? Jim says, Okay, Moore was a Secret
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Service agent assigned to the Dallas area on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
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He's the only agent that wasn't there, He said. He was in
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San Francisco at the time. He was in charge of the interrogation of the
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doctors. He was in charge of the Secret Service interrogation of Ruby, and
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he was liaison between the staff of the Warrant Commission and the Secret Service.
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I think he directly reported to a man by the name of Kelly in the
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Secret Service, and Moore gave me he said two things that I think are
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important to me and caused a little bit of a stir when I mentioned them
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when I was at the thing with Schweiker. When I was I went to
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Moore's office one time to talk with him, okay, And while I was
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in there, he got so tape ended. They had to flip the tape
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and go again. Okay, here we go. Yeah, Well, Moore
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said something he said to me in effect, he said, well, he
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said, I still think the little son of a bitch for a friend to
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Oswald did some shooting that day. And I said, hey, wait a
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minute, you're telling me that you know he did the shooting. He said,
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well, he said, all I know is this. He said.
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You know, he said, we know he met with a subversive the day
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before the assassination. Did he say that exactly subversive? Jim says no.
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But when I mentioned it to Schweiker, that Swiker when I was talking with
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him, he interrupted me and he said, are you sure he didn't say
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that three days before? And I said no. Moore said that he thought
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that he saw that he met with this guy a day before the assassination.
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And as far as I know, I've never heard of any references to Oswald
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meeting its observed subversive anywhere. So back to more. He's a guy that
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I had called, okay, when I wanted to get some pictures for an
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art project and a guy held me on the phone for some time. He
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kept saying, well, hey, you know I was intimately involved. He
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took the assumption, okay, that I was some sort of a critic.
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All right, now he was still with the Secret Service when you called.
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He still is? Oh, okay, he still is. His name is
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first name is Elmer Moore. So Elmer Elmer Moore, Okay. Yeah.
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And when I first talked to him, he was, you know, just
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completely and totally into the thing that I was trying to write him about the
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whole Kennedy think. And all I really wanted to do is get information where
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I can get ahold of a photo. And I called him now and he
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said, call me, you know, if you have any questions. And
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so I did over a couple of times, and he says, hey,
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why don't you come on over to my office one day and we'll sit down
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and talk about it. And I said fine, So I went over there
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and I talked to him for about five hours. Where was his office located
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in Seattle, Washington? Okay, so Elm, We're Moore in sixty three
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was stationed in Dallas. Now he is at stationed in Seattle. So he
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goes and talks to him, and they asked him, what did your conversations
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with him pertain to? Well, basically him venting his anger Kennedy and saying
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he was a trader. And they said, this is what Elmer Moore said,
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And they said, yeah, Elman Moore called Kennedy a trader. He
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prefaced it by saying that no matter how some strange things get here, we've
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got it better than they do. But he was giving everything away to them,
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that's what he was saying. Yeah, to the Russians, all right.
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He says, it's a shame that people have to die, but you
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know, maybe it was a good thing. A lot of people thought he
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was a trader, and sometimes I think that too, Jim Gokanaar says,
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And then he went on to say that I, Well, one of the
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things that was pretty impressive to me was the fact that while I was talking
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to him, he said, we had to do what we were told in
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regards to, you know, the way they were investigating the assassination, or
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we get our heads cut off. Did he say who told him? Who
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gave the orders. No, did he explain what he meant by getting his
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head cut off? No, but he certainly was shaking at the time he
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was. He went to and fro. He said, Okay, let me
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explain that. When I talked to him. It was on May seventh,
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nineteen seventy. I had come over there roughly four thirty or so to stay
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until about eight o'clock with him, and as the evening wore along, this
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guy got more and more. In fact, he was scaring me. He
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was giving you know, his speech, man was getting pretty violent. Okay,
32:02
what did you think was odd that he was being this candid with you
32:05
as a complete stranger. Ah, completely, to tell you the truth,
32:09
if I were to all put it into words, I'm very amazed by the
32:14
whole series of events. This was at the Secret Service office that you met
32:20
him in, right, Yes, was anyone else there? No? What
32:24
else did he have to say about Kennedy? He told me this. He
32:28
said that he badgered doctor Perry into changing his testimony. He did not feel
32:32
good about that, him being more, Yes, more talk to Perry,
32:38
and I guess really related on the poor guy and what respect did he badger
32:43
Perry? Well, what Perry had seen as he was doing his emergency operation.
32:49
Apparently, Well, in what way did he indicate to you that he
32:53
had Perry distort the truth? Well, I think he was trying to get
33:00
was I think he was trying to say it was him to making a flate
33:04
flat statement if there was no entry wound in the neck or that where the
33:08
position of the wound in the back. But Moore was telling me after we
33:13
talked about that was the fact that his study and his study went into talking
33:17
with the doctors, is that there was no conclusive evidence where any of the
33:22
shots had come from at that point. Okay, as the report that he
33:25
had written up, now this was on the day of the assassination, you
33:30
mean, Jim says, I don't know when it was. I don't I
33:34
don't know the date that it was. He showed me a couple of papers
33:38
and he says he had to come back from San Francisco the day after the
33:42
assassination, and he went to Washington first. From Washington, he got some
33:46
marching orders to go down and talk with the doctors at Parkland Hospital, so
33:52
he didn't get there until the twenty third. Then something like that. I
33:54
really wish I could remember clearly what he had said on that, but I
33:58
do know that he went to Washington and then he went to Dallas. He
34:02
immediately went to talk with the doctors, and he talked to Perry, and
34:07
apparently he told me that there was one thing that he did during the whole
34:09
thing that he didn't have a very good feeling about, which was the way
34:14
he put it, badgering Parry. So I'm trying to think of any more
34:22
of the good stuff. When everything started to get heated was when I asked
34:30
him, were you really in San Francisco that day? And he really blew
34:35
up. He started screaming. He came out of that phrase, I told
34:38
you we were I did everything. How he put it, I did everything
34:43
I was told all we all did everything we were told, or we get
34:47
our heads cut off. You better believe that is the way he put it.
34:52
Then he went in launched into this whole thing about Kennedy dealing with the
34:59
wrong way with the Russians, and he felt that, you know, he
35:02
had been a trader to was there anything else in your conversation with More that
35:09
related to the assassination or anything that More did? Well, he drove me
35:15
home. He drove, or he offered to drive me home, which was
35:19
at that point I was not in such a good shape. I said,
35:21
okay, drive me home. And as we were driving along, you know,
35:24
he says, I don't know, maybe Oswald didn't act alone. He
35:29
says, I guess we'll never know because he's dead. But he says,
35:32
where was the money? We were trying to find the money, and we
35:36
couldn't find where the money came from. Now what money is he speaking of.
35:42
Jim says, well, good question. I didn't follow up on it.
35:49
And I was, you know, twenty one, twenty two years old.
35:52
How old was was I? I was about twenty three years old.
35:55
I wasn't too My mind wasn't working as quick as should have been back then.
36:01
I should have followed up everything that I talked about. I've gone over
36:06
this with my head a number of times. But I do remember him saying
36:08
something to the effect that, well, we couldn't find the money, so
36:13
we had to leave it alone, or something to that effect. Talk about
36:20
the money. There was something about a Marina Oswald trust fund. I don't
36:25
know how that came up, but I remember him saying, well, we
36:30
knew there was a Marina Oswald trust fund, and then he said something to
36:36
the effect about, well, we couldn't trace the money. Now Oswald and
36:40
may have accepted with others or acted with others, and maybe there was a
36:45
good possibility he did, but he's dead now was the way he put it.
36:50
I see, So he didn't have any other substantive information. No,
36:57
then he goes on to ask him about the Schweiker Committee, YadA, YadA,
37:00
YadA. So yeah, that's basically the extent of their telephone interview with
37:14
Jim Gokenauer. So after the dust began to settle after the assassination, the
37:21
FBI knew that the ship was about to hit the fan folks. So at
37:30
the request of Assistant Director James Gail, a number of questions were set forth
37:36
from a memo of Special Agent in Charge Gordon Shanklin to the file. And
37:44
they instructed James P. Hosty Jr. To answer these questions and put them
37:52
in the file because they knew that they were coming. Okay, now I
38:02
don't have the questions, but I do have host these answers to these questions.
38:09
So Number one, the Dallas office did not recommend Oswald for the Security
38:15
Index during the period that he was in Dallas, because the subject's activities while
38:20
in Dallas did not appear to fit the criteria for the security index that set
38:24
forth in the Manual of Instructions. So the question was, it probably was,
38:30
why wasn't Oswald on the security index? That's the answer Number two.
38:37
The case on Marina Oswald. That's right. Marina Oswald was opened on a
38:44
specific recommendation of this writer on July nineteenth, nineteen sixty two, at which
38:49
time it was noted that she fell within the criteria of the SOBE Program Manual
38:55
of Instructions one five. By letter to the Bureau dated July twenty five,
39:00
sixty two, Bureau was advised on a UACB basis that in view of the
39:07
pending investigation on Lee Harvey Oswald, this case would be put in a pending
39:12
inactive status to be reopened at a later date for consideration or advisable action.
39:19
This case was reactivated, and in March of nineteen sixty three, it was
39:22
determined that the Oswalds had just moved from their apartment on Illsbeth. It was
39:29
determined that Lee Oswald had been drinking to excess and had been beating his wife
39:32
on numerous occasions. There have been many complaints from other tenants concerning this.
39:39
The Oswald's were located at another location on West Neely Street, and a letter
39:44
was sent to the Bureau advising the status of the case. Upon careful review
39:50
of the Manual of instructions, it was noted that it would be necessary to
39:53
utilize a friend or sponsor of Marina Oswald for interpreter, and that the hemisphere
40:00
of the interview would have to be conducted in such a manner as to not
40:04
cause any undue emotional stress or strain on the person being interviewed. In other
40:08
words, they didn't want to piss Marina off while they asked her questions.
40:14
In view of the reported marital difficulties between the Oswalls, it was decided to
40:19
wait a suitable period to determine whether the domestic situation had been sufficiently clarified so
40:24
as to permit a proper interview as desired in section one oh five E of
40:29
the manual. Upon recontact of the subject in May, it was determined that
40:34
the subject had moved, leaving no forwarding addresses. Later, when the subject
40:42
was determined to be in New Orleans, this case was transferred to the New
40:49
Orleans office. Dallas Office obtained the fording address of Marina Oswald on October twenty
40:55
eight, sixty three, and on October twenty ninth fight her residence at the
41:00
two five one five West fifth Street, Irving, Texas address. One of
41:07
the primary purposes of the interview of Missus Ruth Payne on November first, sixty
41:10
three was for the purpose of laying the necessary groundwork for an interview of Marina
41:15
Oswald. However, in view of the allegations concerning Lee Oswald's contact with the
41:21
Soviet Embassy in Mexico City, it was decided not to conduct this interview until
41:25
Dallas had been made origin in both cases on Marina Oswald and Lee Harvey Oswald,
41:32
so that the Dallas Office could be certain that we were in possession of
41:36
all the facts concerning Marina Oswald and Lee Oswald. Change of origin was not
41:42
received by the Dallas Office until eleven twenty one sixty three, and not received
41:46
by this writer until eleven twenty two sixty three. So basically, what hosties
41:52
saying there is that the Oswalds were seemingly always staying one step ahead of him,
42:01
that they would catch up to him and realized that they had just moved.
42:05
They were moving back and forth between Dallas and New Orleans. They were
42:07
separated. There's allegations of him drinking heavily to excess and beating beating Marina,
42:15
which we know didn't happen. Oswald didn't drink. So I'm not sure where
42:22
all this is coming from. And answers to questions three, four and five
42:30
is the same answer, And that answer is this phase of the investigation was
42:34
handled solely by former Special Agent John Fame number six. In accordance with SAC
42:40
Letter six' two four eighty, results of investigations in espionage and nationalistic tendency
42:47
cases may be recorded in memorandums to the SAC. It should be noted,
42:52
following the submission of the Dallas letter to Bureau March twenty fifth, sixty three,
42:57
such a memorandum was placed in the file covering the investigation conducted in Dallas
43:01
in May of sixty two. Also, setting forth leads to contact relatives and
43:07
neighbors within the Dallas Fort Worth area. It should be noted that subsequent investigation
43:14
has determined the subjects left the Dallas area in May of sixty three. In
43:19
July of sixty three, the New Orleans Office determined that the subjects were residing
43:22
in the New Orleans division and had and the origin was changed back to New
43:28
Orleans. After it had been determined that the subjects that left Dallas. The
43:31
lead to determine Lee Oswald's employment appeared unnecessary as time. It should be noted
43:38
that the subjects were not active in any subversive organizations at this time and had
43:45
nothing to arouse any undue interest. The sole purpose of the investigation at this
43:50
time was to locate an interview Arena Oswald in accordance with the one to five
43:54
E Manual of Instructions. So Yain, I've been telling you this for many
44:00
years. The FBI were much more interested in Marina Oswald and what she was
44:07
doing than Lee Oswald and what he was doing. Number seven. After Marina
44:14
Oswald moved to the New Orleans office area and cereals furnished to that office,
44:19
it was left to the discretion of the New Orleans Office how and when Marina
44:22
should be interviewed. Number eight. On November first, following the interview of
44:28
Missus Ruthpainne, a teletype was sent requesting a change of office of origin from
44:32
New Orleans to Dallas. The Dallas Police had previously received information that Oswald had
44:38
been in contact with the Soviet embassy in Mexico City. For this reason,
44:45
the Dallas Office was awaiting a change of origin so that the Dallas Office would
44:50
be in possession of all information before attempting an interview of the subject. It
44:54
should be noted until such a time as our origin was chased or was changed,
45:00
the Dallas Office could not be sure that we were in possession of information,
45:05
and it was felt until such a time this was certain, any interview
45:08
would be decidedly premature. Number nine. The information that Oswald subscribed to the
45:15
worker on nine twenty eight, sixty two was received prior to the time this
45:20
case was assigned to the writer, and it was initial for file when the
45:24
case was closed. This case was not reopened to the writer until March twenty
45:30
fifth, nineteen sixty three, at which time this information was reported. Ten.
45:37
The info concerning the whereabouts of Lee Oswald was obtained in the late afternoon
45:40
of November one, sixty three, a Friday. This writer did not return
45:45
to Dallas until after five pm. All security information must go registered mail.
45:52
There is no registered mail cent out of Dallas after four o'clock on a Friday
45:58
and before the following Monday. So this airtel was rough drafted on eleven one,
46:01
sixty three, but could not be mailed until eleven four, sixty three
46:08
eleven. The Dallas office received the WFL communication ari contact with the Soviet Embassy
46:14
in DC on eleven twenty two, sixty three twelve. The Dallas office determined
46:22
on May twenty seventh, sixty three that the subjects had moved. Subsequent investigation
46:27
reflects that they had actually moved on May eleventh, sixty three to New Orleans
46:35
thirteen. The information concerning Oswald's contact on four to twenty one sixty three with
46:40
the Fair Play for Cuba Committee was not received by the Dallas office until July
46:44
first, nineteen sixty three. The New Orleans office was in receipt of the
46:50
interrogation sorry. The information concerning Oswald's contact with the Fair Play for Cuban Committee
47:05
was not received by the Dallas office until July first, sixty three. The
47:08
New Orleans office was in receipt of information on July fifth, showing contact with
47:13
the FPCC in New York by letter dated July fifth, nineteen sixty three at
47:20
the time and the receipt of the information that Oswald had been in contact with
47:23
the FPCC on four twenty one sixty three, and it was known that Oswald
47:30
was no longer in Dallas and the primary concern was his location, so a
47:35
report could be submitted Number fourteen. The information required by the Dallas office concerning
47:42
the subject's contact with the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City was quite limited. Ins
47:46
Dallas merely advised that they were in possession of a communicating indicating CIA Mexico City
47:53
identified an individual possibly identical with Lee Oswald was in contact with the Soviet Embassy
48:00
in Mexico City. Because of this third agency, this writer was not permitted
48:06
to actually see the communication. A copy of the CIA communication was forwarded to
48:12
the Dallas office by Airtel dated ten twenty four sixty three and received ten twenty
48:16
five sixty three. By Airtel dated ten twenty five sixty three and received ten
48:23
twenty eight sixty three. The Dallas office was advised with the address on West
48:29
Fifth Street in Irving, Texas on ten twenty nine. It was determined that
48:35
this was the residence of Reef Pain and then Marina Oswald was staying there.
48:39
On October thirtieth and thirty first background investigation was conducted on Reef Pain to determine
48:45
whether or not it would be feasible to approach her. On November the first,
48:52
sixty three, Reef Pain was approached and subject Lee Oswald's whereabouts was determined
48:55
and the New Orleans office had all printed in information. It should be noted
49:00
that the subject had previously advised agents of the FBI that he would periodically be
49:06
in contact with the Soviet Embassy in Washington regarding his wife's status. Fifteen.
49:14
This office furnished USC cont service in Dallas, Texas, no information concerning Lee
49:19
Harvey Oswald prior to his arrest on eleven, twenty two, sixty three,
49:25
Number sixteen, and the last one is the Dallas office has been furnishing with
49:34
the Dallas Police information concerning racial matters and individuals belonging to hate and clan type
49:40
groups in accordance with Bureau instructions. No information has ever been serviced to the
49:47
Dallas PDE concerning individuals with subversive backgrounds. So that is what you call an
49:55
FBI cover your ass scenario. Folks. They know the ship storm is coming,
50:05
and shit rolls downhill, and it's coming from Washington, and it's headed
50:09
it's good towards Dallas, and poor James host is at the bottom of the
50:15
hill, squatted down with the catcher's mitt holding it out, getting ready to
50:20
try to catch this gigantic ball of shit that has aimed directly at him.
50:25
Now, if you remember, a couple of months ago, I found and
50:29
read to you the complete list of FBI punishments and censures and emotions and all
50:45
that jazz that jaeg Or Hoover doled out to his agents concerning the clusterfuck known
50:53
as Dallas preassassination. And we know what happened to Hosty. You know,
51:04
he got I believe he got suspended for a little while and then he was
51:10
moved. So, after the dust settled, the Warner Report comes out,
51:16
and on October the fifth, nineteen sixty four, the United States Department of
51:22
Justice the Federal Bureau of Investigations. On October the fifth, nineteen sixty four,
51:28
this personal memorandum is sent to mister James Hosty, Junior, Federal Bureau
51:34
of Investigation, Dallas, Texas. Dear mister Hosty, further consideration has been
51:37
given to the facts relating to your handling of your duties in connection with an
51:44
internal security case which was assigned to you in the Dallas Division, and it
51:47
has been determined that your shortcomings in this matter were most reprehensible. An unwarranted
51:54
delight, an unwarranted delay occurred on your part in reporting certain important information,
52:02
and the investigation you conducted in this case was completely inadequate. Like your penis,
52:08
I added that last part, your failure to conduct an interview of the
52:14
subject's wife was inexcusable and your judgment with respect to this phase of the investigation
52:20
was very bad. In addition, it should have been apparent to you,
52:23
when view of certain information developed, that the subject required a status which would
52:30
have ensured further investigative attention. Furthermore, during subsequent testimony regarding the case in
52:36
question, you have made certain statements which were entirely unprofessional and inappropriate. In
52:45
view of the above, you are being suspended without pay from the close of
52:47
business October sixth, nineteen sixty four to the close of business November fifth,
52:54
nineteen sixty four, and placed on probation. Afterwards. It will be necessary
53:00
for you to carry out your future assignments with greater efficiency and more consideration for
53:06
the Bureau's interests if you are continue. If you are to continue with the
53:12
service, the Federal Salary Reformact in nineteen sixty two provides that before a within
53:20
grade increase can be granted, a determination must be made that the performance of
53:24
the employee is at an acceptable level of competence. Although you have completed the
53:30
required waiting period for such a salary increase, it is not possible to make
53:37
a favorable determination regarding your competence at this time in view of the circumstances set
53:44
out above. Very truly yours, j Edgar Hoover, PS have fun in
53:51
Kansas City, ASSHOLEH no I headed the PS. That's quite clearly a ruler
54:05
smacking finger memorandum there to James Coasty who was suspended for a month without pay
54:14
and then promptly shipped off to the shithold known as Kansas City, Missouri.
54:21
And it was there, apparently with Harvard Gayton, that he supposedly learned this
54:25
information from Pasty, which later got relayed to Jim Cokinauur who is later relating
54:32
it to the Househole that Committee on Investigations. So it's a lot of he
54:37
says, she said bullshit. But what can it all be trusted? So
54:52
apparently, in nineteen seventy five, the Senate Subcommittee on Civil and Constitutional Rights
55:09
interviewed James Hosty Jr. Okay, this is not the Schweiker Committee, This
55:16
is not the house of that committee on assassinations. This is the Subcommittee on
55:22
Civil and Constitutional Rights. Okay. The interview was not conducted under oath,
55:31
which might be a problem. Both mister Hosty and his attorneys were given an
55:37
opportunity to read the testimony of James Adams Direct, the Deputy Director Deputy Associate
55:45
Director of the FBI, before the subcommittee on October twenty first, nineteen seventy
55:50
five. The interview consisted of a review of mister Hosty's career as an FBI
55:54
agent, with particular attention to his handling of the Lee Harvey Oswald case and
56:00
the note delivered to the Dallas Field Office in November of sixty three, wherever
56:05
relevant questions were asked regarding FBI rules, regulations, and procedures. Mister Hosty
56:10
has been an FBI agent since nineteen fifty two. He was assigned to the
56:15
Dallas Field Office in December of fifty three. In nineteen sixty two, he
56:21
was promoted to the GS thirteen level. In November of nineteen sixty four,
56:28
he was transferred to the Kansas City office, where he is currently a special
56:32
agent, still in nineteen seventy five as a GS thirteen level step nine.
56:43
So this poor bastard, twelve years after the assassination, is still in Kansas
56:51
City and still is at the same level of promotion. That means no rais
56:57
of folks, and he's still with the FBI, and they are still bitter
57:04
about his performance because apparently there's different levels to this shit. Okay, and
57:10
he's only on step nine. It's taken him twelve years to get to step
57:14
nine. So either he's a really shitty, horrible FBI agent or you know,
57:22
they're just screwing this guy because of him fumbling the ball in Dallas,
57:28
yet keeping him on as an employee, and whether host he's just too stupid
57:32
to move on get a better job or whatever his deal is, I don't
57:38
know. He's still staying there, so whatever, I don't quite get it.
57:50
But okay, so this is a summary of the interview with special agents.
57:57
So there's no he said, she said thing so they determined his primary
58:00
duty in Dallas was investigating right wing extremist groups and individuals. He was also
58:07
responsible for investigating general subversives and counter espionage activities. It was pursuant to this
58:13
letter functioned that Hosty was assigned in July sixty two to help investigate Lee Harvey
58:17
Oswald and Marina Oswald, a defector who had recently returned to Dallas Fort Worth
58:24
with his Russian wife after three years in Russia. The assignment was given to
58:30
Hosty by his immediate supervisor at the time, special Agent Kenneth Howe. Inquiries
58:35
had come to the Dallas Field office from Special Agent John Faine of fort Worth
58:39
regarding Oswald's I INS records. Host To obtained the information from the Ions Service
58:46
office in Dallas and pastor along Defame. Following routing checks on Oswald, Fame
58:52
closed his file on late sixty two. Oswald's wife's case was still pending because
58:58
she had not been personally interviewed. Oswald himself was interviewed by Faye in June
59:04
nineteen sixty two in the fort Worth office. So Fane did his job,
59:10
then passed the football to Hosty, who fumbled time after time after time.
59:20
In late sixty two, Hosty went to interview Oswald's wife, Marina, but
59:23
decided against it because of apparent domestic troubles. Okay. Finally, in November
59:31
sixty three, Hosty relocated Oswald in Dallas following a leave from the New Orleans
59:36
office. Hosty himself had had no personal contact with Oswald prior to November twenty
59:43
second, nineteen sixty three. He did talk to Missus Oswald on one occasion,
59:50
and that was on November the first, sixty three, when he went
59:52
to the house of missus Ruth Payne. He saw Missus Oswald again on November
59:59
fifth when he went back to the pain home, but did not speak to
1:00:01
her. Most of his questions on November first, and all of them on
1:00:06
November fifth were directed to miss Payne, primarily because Missus Oswald cannot speak English
1:00:12
well, in communicating with her was difficult. Hosty found out that Oswald was
1:00:17
employed at the School Bok Depository and that he was living in a rooming house
1:00:21
in the oak Cliffe area of Dallas. Apparently Ruth Payne told him this,
1:00:30
Missus Paine did not have an exact address. She also told Hosty that Oswald
1:00:34
had told her that he was a Trotskyite Marxist. Okay, it just goes
1:00:44
on between trying to go back and forth, back and forth between New Orleans
1:00:51
and Dallas, and then they go into the note a little bit. What
1:00:58
exactly did the note say? It was basically not a threatening note, not
1:01:05
a bomb threat, according to Hosty, who only recalls reading the note once.
1:01:13
The note was a one page handwritten letter criticizing him for trying to talk
1:01:17
to Marina and threatening to take action against the FBI if Posty did not stop
1:01:22
bothering her. Hosty placed a note in his workbox, where it remained as
1:01:27
far as he knows, until November twenty second, nineteen sixty three. Hosty
1:01:32
considered it a routine nutletter of the sort that generally would not be retained or
1:01:37
entered into his file. So, you know, it wasn't anything crazy.
1:01:42
It was just a hey, you know, leave my wife alone type letter.
1:01:51
Now, he was called into the office on November twenty third, which
1:01:58
is the morning after the assassination, and his supervisor how told him that Special
1:02:06
Agent in charge Shanklin wanted to see them in his office on the twelfth floor,
1:02:09
So they both went up there. And in substance, Shanklin stated that
1:02:14
Oswald was dead and there would be no trial. He directed Hosty to quote
1:02:19
get rid of these, handing him the note and the original and a copy
1:02:22
of the memo Hosty had prepared at Shanklin's direction two days earlier. Hosty started
1:02:30
to tear up the documents that Shanklin told him to quote get them out of
1:02:32
here permanently. Hosty left the earth, left the office, tore up the
1:02:37
documents and flushed them down the toilet, which is what he calls get them
1:02:45
out of here permanently, referred to the subject of the note never came up
1:02:51
again to Hosty's knowledge until July seventy five, when its existence was reported in
1:02:57
the Dallas Times Harold so interesting stuff there, So Yeah. In November of
1:03:15
nineteen sixty four, Hosty was given a disciplinary transfer to Kansas City following a
1:03:20
thirty day suspension without pay, because of his handling of the Oswald investigation prior
1:03:24
to the assassination. He had previously received a letter of censure for the same
1:03:30
thing in December of nineteen sixty three. The specific reason for the disciplinary action
1:03:35
was his failure to interview Marina in his delayed reporting of the fact that the
1:03:39
Oswalds had moved in the late spring of sixty three. Hosty believes that the
1:03:45
actions taken against him were not justified by his performance of duty. Moreover,
1:03:50
mister Hosty believes that he will not be permitted to rise to any supervisory levels
1:03:57
within the agency because his personnel file indicates that he is not to receive any
1:04:01
favorable personnel action. The only appeal of this or any other disciplinary action is
1:04:09
within the agency to explicitly only to the director. If an agent is a
1:04:15
veteran, and a pew outside the agency may be taken to the Civil Service
1:04:18
Commission under some circumstances. A number of other agents were censured with varying degrees
1:04:25
of severity, as a result of their roles in the Oswald investigation. Some
1:04:29
of those disciplined include Kenneth Howe in the Dallas office, Alan Belmont, then
1:04:33
in charge of all investigations, and William Sullivan, then in charge of domestic
1:04:38
intelligence at headquarters. Mister Hostis does not believe that Jay Gordon Shanklin was censured
1:04:44
for his conduct during this period. Well, actually, James Hosty, he
1:04:47
was. Everybody was. Everybody in the line of fire was and apparently Hosties
1:04:59
file was marked for do do and only the director can get him out of
1:05:04
it. But to bring this all back for full circle with mister Gokinauer and
1:05:13
his allegations, the House Select Committee on Assassinations managed to track down Carver Gayton
1:05:24
and in June of nineteen seventy seven I'm sorry, May twenty first, seventy
1:05:30
seven, they interviewed Carver Gayton at his apartment in Seattle, Washington. He
1:05:41
is presently terminating his employment with the University of Washington at Seattle, and he
1:05:45
plans to teach at Florida State in the fall. Gayton was polite but guarded.
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He impressed as a very intelligent man, but one who was not about
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to admit that he heard or said anything derogatory about the FBI. Gayton was
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to be interviewed about alleged conversations that he had with James Hosty in Kansas City
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when they were agents together. An informant, James Gokinauer c. Sipart memo
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and transcript, had stated that while at the University of Washington, he rented
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an apartment from Gayton and they discussed JFK and James Hosty golkan Air stated that
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Gayton had said that Hosty told him that Lee Harvey Oswell was a paid FBI
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informant and that he had failed to make a drop or get information, and
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thereafter Hosty went looking for him. Gayton admitted talking with Gokinauer, but says
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he is somewhat of a flake and was an assassination buff when they met in
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Seattle. Gayton denies telling Gokanauer anything other than that he knew Hosty in Kansas
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City. Gayton denies that Hosty ever told him anything at all about LHO,
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and certainly not that LHO was an FBI and four mormant or agent. Gayton
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gave an AFFI David to the Church Committee. The only thing Hosty told Gayton
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about Lee Harvey Oswall was that the file had been closed and that Hosty had
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reopened it trying to develop some information but had been unsuccessful. So, according
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to Carver Gayton, to how Select Committee investigators Howard Gilbert and Jack Moriarty,
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he did not tell Jim Cokinaur any of this stuff when it comes to Hosty,
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which leads us to believe if Cocanaur wasn't being honest about what Carver Gayton
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told him about hosting and Lee Harvey Oswald should we believe him about the elmer
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More allegations, and that there was something something fishy about Marina Oswald trust fund
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that was set up. You know, we watched Robbie's interview with Jim Cocanou
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and he said the old Moore told him that if you want to get to
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the truth of the case, follow the money. Somebody needs to really do
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some investigating on James Herbert Martin, Marina's agent after the assassination, and into
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Marina and then maybe it would lead them somewhere. Well, we have done,
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in fact just that. So folks, if you haven't yet, but
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you're thinking about going to Dallas and you were thinking about going to Lancer,
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even if you can't go, you can still watch virtually. Let's go to
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JFK Lancer Publications dot com and figure it out, make your plans, buy
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your tickets, and you will see first before anybody else does. Your boy
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the trip will be Rob Clark and his buddy, faithful listener and sidekick Joe
1:09:23
Borelli's presentation on the Martins's You're not gonna want to miss it. It's going
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to be a banger and you can only hear it at Lancer first, So
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head over there and make your plans now. And like I said, sorry
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for the time being, nothing's going up on YouTube, so check other social
1:09:47
for more information. Moving forward anyway, That's about it for this week,
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folks. You boys had enough good news is in bad news for one week,
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So moving on looking not backwards, but forwards. That's where we're headed.
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That way, folks, We're headed that way. That over there,
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forwards. Don't look back. No rearview mirrors here, only side view and
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windshields. That's it for your boy until next time, folks left its two
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ball. See you see the baby the wad fell and he was bla on
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the chill that everyone who was stalk on ground. She's a many don't believe
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what they tell you, do you? Benny eyes? See the big I
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have to sell you the bibby bet that tier chap came. Yeah, they
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going them all waiting long sover the dumper roup at the gun. The coup
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of the thing I do with all it ma gossip song, tell big a
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lot to tell you, your ban be lies have to tell you the biggest
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thing that your champa take me go a long way. Uh wait till wait
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tided h a U situation through by rain uh from man and he caught him,
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uh kenned him that we got him head and he fell, paint down
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him back, made him his car. One was on him. Heaven that
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candy cat Oh no, w down't was the challenge you. I don't know
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the the biggie that chicha ca. Yeah, We're all away. I'm where
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oh way. So I'm gonna up that I size that I have to drop