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The Bolt Report | 29 May · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: He's the good report. Tonight is free at last.
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Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce cuts loose after being dump from the Shadow Ministry.
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Speaker 2: Anthony alb Easy threatens a think tank that's criticized China and.
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Speaker 1: Now warns that we're not ready for war with China.
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Speaker 2: Plus Donald Trump's tariff for in Australia and the world
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Speaker 2: declared unlawful. It seems that Trump cannot play king after all.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, a transgender netbauler complains about being banned after
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Speaker 2: this collision, does see if she actually have a point.
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Speaker 2: Plus Russia sends Trump another chilling warning that it could
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Speaker 2: destroy the world if pushed too far. But first, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's no wonder that wearing decline. Australia's now overrun by
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Speaker 2: his Exeric's alamists, populace and outright liars, a horde of
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Speaker 2: irrational people determined to make this country poorer. Make you
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Speaker 2: sit in the dark wondering if the lights will ever
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Speaker 2: come on again. Yesterday the aveneze. The government said it's
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Speaker 2: going to let woodsized Giant Northwest Shelf Gas Project keep
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Speaker 2: pumping gas for another forty years if it agrees to
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Speaker 2: even stricter environmental restrictions. Well, the government really had no choice.
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Speaker 2: It's planned to shift us from coal and gas to
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Speaker 2: wind and solar power. Here's now in deep trouble, prices soaring,
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Speaker 2: supplies of gas.
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Speaker 1: And electricity running out.
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Speaker 2: You know it's a disaster, but saying yes to more gas,
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Speaker 2: it's like labour actually bared its backside in church. I
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Speaker 2: mean the mindless, stupid outrage from people treating global warming
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Speaker 2: as a religion. Here's New Green's leader lifts of Waters today.
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Speaker 3: I think people will be horrified that the government, who
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Speaker 3: said that they were going to take the climate crisis
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Speaker 3: seriously have ticked off on yet another mega fossil fuel project.
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Speaker 3: Wrong way, go back, minister, what you need to do
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Speaker 3: better and you need to listen to the science.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Frankly, no Greens politicians should dare speak the word science
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Speaker 2: because none of them can be trusted to tell the
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Speaker 2: truth about what the science really does say about global warming.
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Speaker 2: I mean you remember this from this same Larissa Waters.
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Speaker 2: When a tropical low hit Queensland back in March.
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Speaker 3: We know that Cyclone Alfred was made worse by the
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Speaker 3: amount of coal and gas that we're still burning.
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Speaker 2: Well, that was a pile of nonsense. The science actually
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Speaker 2: said that Alfred was in fact so weak it wasn't
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Speaker 2: even a cyclone when it did hit. What's more, Australia's
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Speaker 2: too small to make a difference to the climate. And thirdly,
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Speaker 2: we've actually had fewer cyclones, including fewer severe cyclones, for
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Speaker 2: fifty years now. So if that's global warming, it's good.
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Speaker 1: But the Greens cannot.
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Speaker 2: Be trusted to tell the truth about global warming, nor
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Speaker 2: can the ABC be trusted to call out there untruths.
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Speaker 2: Take Green Senator Steph Hodgkins May on Melbourne ABC Radio
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Speaker 2: this morning, also hysterical about the government allowing Woodside to
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Speaker 2: keep getting gas.
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Speaker 4: This is an absolute climate bomb that this government is unleashing,
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Speaker 4: absolutely devastating for our planet, for our children, for their futures.
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Speaker 4: Victoria will see none of this gas and the royalties
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Speaker 4: will not be coming back to Australia. I think you'd
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Speaker 4: probably find that these massive corporations are paying more in
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Speaker 4: donations to the major parties than they actually are paying
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Speaker 4: royalties to our country where they're exporting.
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Speaker 5: That gas company tax Woodside plays company tax.
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Speaker 4: Oh, it's pretty negligent and compared to the profits that
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Speaker 4: they rake in and that Meg O'Neil overseas, it is minuscule.
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Speaker 2: Excuse me, Senator Hodgkins, make it up if I give
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Speaker 2: you some facts.
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Speaker 1: No, this gas will be not be.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely devastating for our future, but running out of gas,
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Speaker 2: that sure would be. And the royalties that Woodside pays
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Speaker 2: do not go overseas. Of course they are paid here.
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Speaker 2: And know the taxes and the royalties and the levees
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Speaker 2: paid by Woodside are not minuscule and negligible. In fact,
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Speaker 2: Woodside last year was Australia's fifth biggest taxpayer, more than
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Speaker 2: five billion dollars paid. And the one the only one
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Speaker 2: thing that the Green Cenator got right there is that
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Speaker 2: none of that gas will go to Victoria. You're right,
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Speaker 2: but fourteen percent of Woodside gas does go to West Australian.
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Speaker 2: That should count. It might actually help explain why Western
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Speaker 2: Australia's gas bills are half what Victorians pay half but
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Speaker 2: a Victoria, of course, the unfortunately got a government that's
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Speaker 2: actually banned new gas projects for nearly a decade and
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Speaker 2: even now still has lots of restrictions. It's so bad
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Speaker 2: that the boss of another gas giants Santos like him
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Speaker 2: doing business in Victoria to doing business in North Korea.
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Speaker 2: Kevin Galla has said this week that other states were great,
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Speaker 2: like Western Australia, but he said Victoria, North Korea they
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Speaker 2: are in a different category altogether. If I had a
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Speaker 2: dollar to spend the PAP New Guinea, Alaska or Australia
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Speaker 2: today for the same project, it would be p and
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Speaker 2: G or Alaska. Well, at least locals near the Northwest
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Speaker 2: Shelf development seem to get it, although not.
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Speaker 6: All anybody with any intelligence would know that Australia needs
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Speaker 6: energy and that this is the best thing that's happened
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Speaker 6: full long time.
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Speaker 7: I'm surprised.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought it would be.
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Speaker 2: We can't possibly survive with well, no energy is security
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Speaker 2: at all. So it's all about money, complains the woman
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Speaker 2: that we interviewed in the Woolworth's car, how she was
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Speaker 2: going to pay for her groceries. Then with moonbeams, the
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Speaker 2: coalitions now got to choose. You can go along with
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Speaker 2: this madness until Australia hits the wall, or it can
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Speaker 2: spend the next three years making the case that this
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Speaker 2: mad rush to slash our emissions through zero net by
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Speaker 2: twenty fifty is a impossible b horrendously expensive and c
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Speaker 2: pretty useless since the world's bigg as the miter is,
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Speaker 2: they aren't doing the same and we're too small to
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Speaker 2: make any difference to the climate.
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Speaker 1: The good thing is that new.
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Speaker 2: Opposition is to lead Susan Lee and nearly, said Peter Dunn,
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Speaker 2: that's a nasty shock for some people. Maybe Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: has left the door open to dropping the net zero
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Speaker 2: target that's causing so much pain. Instead, she's going to
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Speaker 2: follow the signs. Since which is good good and the
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Speaker 2: technology and the.
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Speaker 9: Economics Australia does have to play its part in the
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Speaker 9: global response to climate change, but not at any cost.
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Speaker 1: Less good is.
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Speaker 2: That Susan Lee yesterday promoted a lot of people from
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Speaker 2: the liberal left who, for all their other merits, do
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Speaker 2: include some who argue for sticking to net zero. But
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Speaker 2: here's the thing. I don't hear them say, well, net
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Speaker 2: zero is actually easy. They don't say I've checked their economics,
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Speaker 2: it won't cost much. They don't say, well this will
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Speaker 2: actually cut our power prices or give us more reliable power.
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Speaker 2: They don't say anything that nothing about the evidence take
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Speaker 2: They newly promoted Zoe McKenzie today. She said that sticking
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Speaker 2: to this terrible net zero target would actually help her
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Speaker 2: save her seat and was popular at city seats, by
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Speaker 2: which she means she has no confidence the Coalition could
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Speaker 2: actually win an argument with all the facts.
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Speaker 9: We need to have a vigorous debate about all the
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Speaker 9: positions that we took to the last election. I am
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Speaker 9: personally optimistic that we will continue to observe the net
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Speaker 9: zero goal. It is important for an electorate like mine,
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Speaker 9: where environment is very highly valued. But more importantly, it's
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Speaker 9: very important in the minds of the people in Australia's
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Speaker 9: metropolitan seats. There are eighty eight of them, and my
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Speaker 9: side of politics only now holds eight.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, let's keep this crazy, ruinous target because my voters
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Speaker 2: love it and I want to follow them over the cliff.
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Speaker 2: I mean, aren't the Liberals tarred of being polled chases
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Speaker 2: and not agender setters If they want to save Australia.
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Speaker 2: That has to change. But there's one other thing I
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Speaker 2: should say to coalition politicians. Shut up, shut up that
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Speaker 2: public bitching and moaning and backstabbing. Look, I've got it,
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Speaker 2: some of you really upset that Susan Lee didn't pick
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Speaker 2: you yesterday In a shadow ministry, didn't recognize your genius,
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Speaker 2: pick people you.
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Speaker 1: Think are less worthy.
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Speaker 2: In fact, in some cases it's even true Michael McCormick,
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Speaker 2: the former Nationals leader taking all so badly that is
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Speaker 2: today taking a whack at Nationals leader David Little Proud
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Speaker 2: and talking today about replacing him.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, you never say never.
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Speaker 10: If it comes to pass at the party decides that
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Speaker 10: I'm the one to lead them again in the future,
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Speaker 10: will say, do.
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Speaker 2: You really, who's that's helping only labor And some of
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Speaker 2: the other criticisms Sarah Henderson, Oh, Susan Lee dumped three
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Speaker 2: women from the ministry, including me, Others saying, oh, that
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Speaker 2: bill that's sending voters a signal the Liberals are anti
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Speaker 2: we women.
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Speaker 1: I mean, really, hello.
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Speaker 2: The Liberal leader is a self a woman. Isn't that
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Speaker 2: a great signal? And other criticisms. Susan Lee appointed inexperienced people.
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Speaker 2: I'd call them fresh faces. Oh, she promoted some of
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Speaker 2: her backers, which leader doesn't. Besides, she also promoted people
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Speaker 2: like James Patterson who didn't back her. Well, this is
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Speaker 2: complaining yesterday from just sinter Nampa jimper Price on the
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Speaker 2: very day that Lee actually appointed her the Shadow Minister
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Speaker 2: for Defense Industries.
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Speaker 1: Still ungrateful, I'll be.
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Speaker 11: Honest to say that there are probably some appointments.
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Speaker 1: That have not been predicated on.
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Speaker 11: Experience or merit. But this is what this is the
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Speaker 11: team we have to work with, that we're working.
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Speaker 1: With going forward.
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Speaker 9: And you know, I mean, I'm not going to lie
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Speaker 9: and say that I'm not disappointed that I'm not within
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Speaker 9: cabinet itself.
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Speaker 2: Look, I've been a huge fan of Jasina for years.
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Speaker 2: I mean I have defended and promoted her long before
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Speaker 2: other commentators. But she is seriously now getting ahead of herself.
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Speaker 2: She deserted the Nationals this month, leaving them in the
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Speaker 2: hole to become a Liberal leader, a Liberal and said
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Speaker 2: to run for the Liberal deputy leadership when she'd been
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Speaker 2: in the party for almost literally five minutes and in
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Speaker 2: Parliament for just three years. Now, I know that Jacina's
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Speaker 2: absolutely magnificent campaign against the Voice single handedly got Australians
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Speaker 2: to vote know and she's a star in the party branches.
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Speaker 2: Rightly so, she is a huge future But it is
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Speaker 2: also true she's got much to learn. She still must
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Speaker 2: prove she's much more than a brave and articulate woman
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Speaker 2: who can speak hard truths about Aboriginal issues protected. Let's
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Speaker 2: be honest by being Aboriginal herself. Now, Peter Dutton did
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Speaker 2: give her that chance. He put her in charge of
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Speaker 2: monitoring government efficiency. She didn't come up with a single
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Speaker 2: saving of note, not one, and when she did speak
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Speaker 2: in the election campaign, she put a foot in it.
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Speaker 3: We can make Australia great again.
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Speaker 5: Is that an ode to Donald Trump?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 1: If I said that, I don't even realize I said that.
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Speaker 2: But no, So really take a chill pill. Jacina now
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Speaker 2: has a portfolio involving defense that will be perfect for
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Speaker 2: giving her experience in talking beyond Aboriginal issues and by
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Speaker 2: the way, surrounding herself with weapons of war. That's going
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Speaker 2: to make her look even more like a future leader.
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Speaker 2: Tough woman. So just suck it up and say thank you. Now,
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Speaker 2: I know I've burned bridges here with from coalition people,
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Speaker 2: including Justina unfortunately, but guys, your coalition is in such
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Speaker 2: terrible strife that you need to be told. Your new
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Speaker 2: leader deserves a chance. She's picked a new team. So
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Speaker 2: for now, up and go for labor. Not your leader
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Speaker 2: joining me is my regular Thursday commentator National ZMP Barnaby Joyce,
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Speaker 2: the former Deputy Prime Minister himself left out of the ministry. Barnaby,
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Speaker 2: great to see you again. At least you're now free
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Speaker 2: to say exactly.
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Speaker 11: Say I don't know, but I shouldn't say any after that.
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Speaker 1: Say it now, you go right ahead?
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Speaker 7: So what you like?
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Speaker 11: I've got nothing to say. I'm very sanguine. What's that sanguine?
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Speaker 11: Digni or.
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Speaker 1: Quama or ms? Is that right? Or that's the nominative,
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Speaker 1: isn't it? I think you were going to say something you
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Speaker 1: won't dignio or s is the ablative?
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Speaker 7: Off?
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Speaker 1: Go now?
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Speaker 2: Well, if only more people, more in the audience spoke Latin,
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Speaker 2: I certainly don't. But at least, Barnaby, one benefit of
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Speaker 2: you not being on the Shadow Ministry or the ministry
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Speaker 2: before that, is that you're finally freed to exactly what
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Speaker 2: to say what you never could a must show, you'd hint,
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Speaker 2: you'd wink, you'd nod. NET zero, cutting Australia's emissions zero,
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Speaker 2: You don't have to speak.
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Speaker 1: Well, tell us what you really think, folks. It is mad.
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Speaker 1: Look we have I'll give you four reasons.
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Speaker 11: First of all, we have the Chinese, the communist Chinese.
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Speaker 11: Chinese people, a great communist government, not so great, stooging
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Speaker 11: around our nation off Sydney, off your coast. They did
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Speaker 11: LIFEI exercise. That's practicing, practicing to attack. That's why you
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Speaker 11: do life our exercises off your coast. We have to
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Speaker 11: make this nation as powerful as possible, as quickly as possible.
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Speaker 1: We need to throw the rule book out the window.
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Speaker 11: And we can't do that if we're hamstrung with this
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Speaker 11: crazy idea that we're going to be net zero, which
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Speaker 11: of course we'll never make. I'll give you another reason.
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Speaker 11: It's absolutely decimating our economy.
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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 11: Talk to any pie shop, talk to any company and
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Speaker 11: what their energy bill is. It's through the roof. They
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Speaker 11: can't afford it. Even in New South Wales. Now we
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Speaker 11: are going to have a nine point seven percent increase
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Speaker 11: on the first of July. I repeat that, nine point
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Speaker 11: seven percent approved by the government on the first of.
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Speaker 2: July, as if you're powable.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't enough.
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Speaker 11: We've also got the desecration of our landscape, an environmental
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Speaker 11: I really mean this environmental desecration of our landscape with
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Speaker 11: wind howls, sol panels, swindle factories, capacity investment scheme, secret
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Speaker 11: little agreements that will never know the details of for
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Speaker 11: overseas companies and multi internal billionaires, so they become multi billionaires,
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Speaker 11: powersehold and five minutes stacks where people get paid the
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Speaker 11: highest price of the bid, not the lowest price, not
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Speaker 11: the price they bid it in in the highest price.
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Speaker 11: And most importantly, we have pensioners taken into destitution because
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Speaker 11: they're the ultimate payer of this massive swindle. It is
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Speaker 11: a swindle, and it works under the guys, under the guile.
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Speaker 11: The of what you're going to say is, if you
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Speaker 11: ever are questioned them, you're you know, you're abhorrent. You
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Speaker 11: know you want the kiddies senstantaneously combust. It's guarded in guilt,
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Speaker 11: and we suck this rubbish up and we should be
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Speaker 11: turning around saying no, no, do net zero?
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Speaker 2: Just say no?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But what do you say then?
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Speaker 2: I mean, just played Zoe McKenzie saying the opposition I
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Speaker 2: think that zero. Well no, but she just said she'd
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Speaker 2: stick by NET zero because locals in her seat and seats.
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Speaker 1: Like it like that target.
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Speaker 2: Well, I might of her voters are in her electorate.
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Speaker 2: I think is a disaster. What's your response to that
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Speaker 2: argument that stick to this terrible policy because it's popular
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Speaker 2: and voters will turn against you if you if you drop.
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Speaker 1: It, well, we're in New England.
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Speaker 11: Have become the the garbage can of your virtue. I mean,
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Speaker 11: I like that Zoe is a mate, is a really
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Speaker 11: good mate. But let's so let's take Zoe out of us.
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Speaker 1: Took about other areas.
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Speaker 11: The New England is not the garbage can of your virtue.
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Speaker 11: We are not there to deal with the detritus of
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Speaker 11: your wishes that you never wish to be in your
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Speaker 11: electric If you wish for wind hous with the microplastics
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Speaker 11: and the advice from LA, then put them up off
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Speaker 11: your beaches. You certainly can do that. You actually can
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Speaker 11: do that. Put the transmission lines across your suburbs, you
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Speaker 11: certainly can do that.
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Speaker 1: Leave your virtue. Do not be a hypocrite. Live your virtue.
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Speaker 11: Have these iaminent power precincts, these swindle factories that are
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Speaker 11: guarded by government caveats, given a return even if they
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Speaker 11: don't produce electricity. What a great scam who thought of this?
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Speaker 11: I wish I'd thought of this. I'd have cattle properties.
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Speaker 11: When you get to turn even if you don't produce cattle.
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Speaker 11: I mean it's marvelous. I'd buy every cattle place in Australia.
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Speaker 11: But they don't want it in their electric. They want
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Speaker 11: it in our electric. And in the meantime, who pays
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Speaker 11: the price? Oh no, I'll give you another little little
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Speaker 11: piece of Latin there. So the point is it's the pensioner.
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Speaker 11: It's a poor person. It's a poor In politics are
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Speaker 11: supposed to take.
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Speaker 1: Powerful figures.
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Speaker 2: But you look at the figures of people who have
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Speaker 2: actually died of hypothermia in this country in cold houses,
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Speaker 2: and it seems in some cases because they couldn't afford
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Speaker 2: to heat them. And I mean this is literally true.
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Speaker 2: I've seen the studies on this. You've been at the top,
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Speaker 2: going to be Nationals leader, you've been deputy prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Now your leader has told you that you're now just
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Speaker 2: the backbencher. How are you coping with that? Does that
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Speaker 2: make you think? Look my days in politics behind me? Now?
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Speaker 1: Maybe I should quit.
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Speaker 11: I've been there a few times before, as you probably
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Speaker 11: are well aware, you do the best job you can
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Speaker 11: wherever God gives you the fortune to place you.
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Speaker 1: I have a big I've got two big tasks. Number
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Speaker 1: one I.
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Speaker 11: Will look after the people of the New England and
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Speaker 11: the Upper Handa with all my heart, with all my soul,
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Speaker 11: and with all my courage. I will continue to do
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Speaker 11: that because I love that my number one job, number
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Speaker 11: two on a macro sense. I'm telling you right now,
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Speaker 11: on half our nation, having had that great honor of
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Speaker 11: highest offers, I'm going to fight against a zero because
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Speaker 11: I'm saved your viewers. Don't rely on this building here
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Speaker 11: to fix it up if you don't get motivated. Remember
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Speaker 11: we have a bit of a if you want to
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Speaker 11: get the other side of the equation. Unfortunately, you've got
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Speaker 11: the Labor Party, of the Liberal Party, of the Greens,
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Speaker 11: and my own society. At the moment, the nationals all
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Speaker 11: believe in that zero. So where are you going to
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Speaker 11: get the no argument from?
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Speaker 1: How do you? How do you deal with this?
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Speaker 11: How does an intelligent person hear the contrarian view and
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Speaker 11: make an assessment on the facts presented to them? And
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Speaker 11: I believe I with others have a role in doing
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Speaker 11: that because I fervently don't agree with this.
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Speaker 1: I think it's a hard Certainly it makes our national weekend.
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Speaker 2: We've got to fight against it. Barnaby, I certainly think
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Speaker 2: you have a role in that and I really look
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Speaker 2: forward to you continuing your role on the show to
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Speaker 2: prosecute that argument. I think it's so important, Baby Joyce,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. And I think
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Speaker 2: the liberals also have to focus on this fact. Yes,
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Speaker 2: labor One, but all its disasters remain. I'll give an
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Speaker 2: example today and a disturbing reaction from the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: that China would be applauding our defense force has been
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Speaker 2: stripped to the bone under this government at the very
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Speaker 2: time that the same government says the world has never
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Speaker 2: been this dangerous since World War Two. Well, the Australian
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Speaker 2: Institute of Strategic Policy announces today as an institute rather
20:47
Speaker 2: today issued a report pointing out exactly that spending on
20:51
Speaker 2: our military was too low. We lack the right weapons,
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Speaker 2: we aren't recruiting enough soldiers. So for the next few
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Speaker 2: years we're left with a paper Australian defense force that
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Speaker 2: lacks the readiness society to the meeting the near term threats.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that is scary, but the Prime Minister reacted
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Speaker 2: with insults and a vague threat.
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Speaker 10: Well that's what they do, isn't it. ASBI I mean seriously.
21:15
Speaker 10: They need to, I think have a look at themselves
21:20
Speaker 10: as well and the way that they conduct themselves and debates.
21:24
Speaker 10: We've had a defense strategic review, We've got considerable additional
21:28
Speaker 10: investment going into defense ten billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a threat because the government has actually endorsed
21:36
Speaker 2: the report recommending that this institute, this very institute be
21:41
Speaker 2: stripped of the government money it gets for offering its
21:44
Speaker 2: independent strategic advice. And the Chinese dictatorship loves that because
21:49
Speaker 2: it's been furious that ASPI, this identifies China as a threat.
21:54
Speaker 2: China's government controlled media is called ASPY. Anti Chinese says
21:58
Speaker 2: it's just a tool of hawks and that it's taking
22:02
Speaker 2: money to defee China and should go bankrupt. So when
22:07
Speaker 2: the albany is a government indeed signaled that support that
22:11
Speaker 2: it supported stripping ASPY of funds, it was accused by
22:16
Speaker 2: the coalition of targeting asked me for criticizing China, and
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Speaker 2: now asby alban Easy is attacking it again for saying
22:24
Speaker 2: we're week if China does go to war, joining me
22:26
Speaker 2: from SPB is. Malcolm Davis is an expert on China's militarization.
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Speaker 2: Malcolm thank you so much for your time. Good to
22:34
Speaker 2: have you on the show again. You heard the Prime
22:35
Speaker 2: Minister's attack on your institute. What's your response.
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Speaker 6: Look, my response is that the whole reason for aspe's
22:43
Speaker 6: existence is to provide contestability and alternative defense advice to government.
22:49
Speaker 6: That was why we were set up in two thousand
22:51
Speaker 6: and one. That is what we have done ever since.
22:54
Speaker 6: We have provided that contestability and that frank and fearless
22:57
Speaker 6: alternative defense a vice to government and shape the public
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Speaker 6: debate on defense and strategic policy as well. And that's
23:04
Speaker 6: what we're going to do. Our job is not to
23:07
Speaker 6: essentially provide the advice or the analysis that the government
23:11
Speaker 6: necessarily wants to hear, is to provide the advice that
23:15
Speaker 6: is based on the facts. And when you look at
23:17
Speaker 6: the Cost of Defense Report which was released by my
23:20
Speaker 6: colleagues today, that report was based on facts provided by
23:25
Speaker 6: the Labor Party government in terms of the Portfolio Budget
23:29
Speaker 6: Statement that came out with the federal budget and in
23:32
Speaker 6: terms of our analysis of government defense policy. So I
23:36
Speaker 6: respectfully disagree with the Prime Minister. ASPY is going to
23:40
Speaker 6: continue to do its job to provide that contestability, which
23:43
Speaker 6: is an essential function of policy analysis and policy development.
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Speaker 2: What do you think he meant when he said that
23:52
Speaker 2: this criticism is just what you do at the State
23:56
Speaker 2: Strategic Policy Institute and you should have a look at
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Speaker 2: it sounded to me like a threat in the context
24:04
Speaker 2: it's an endorsement of a cut to your funding.
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Speaker 6: We're very aware of the implication of the Bargeasy review,
24:12
Speaker 6: but we have no intention of closing down our activities.
24:18
Speaker 6: Our role provides an essential service to the Australian government
24:22
Speaker 6: and to the Australian people in terms of shaping Australian
24:26
Speaker 6: defense policy.
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Speaker 1: We provide that alternative advice.
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Speaker 6: We shape the public debate, We get people thinking about
24:33
Speaker 6: critical issues in defense and defense policy, and that's what
24:38
Speaker 6: we do as an organization, and when you look at
24:41
Speaker 6: other think tanks around the world, that's exactly what they
24:44
Speaker 6: do as well. So, yes, the Prime Minister was disagreed
24:48
Speaker 6: with our assessment today, but that assessment was based on
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Speaker 6: data provided by his government in the form of budgetary
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Speaker 6: statements and in terms of other defense policy documents. And
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Speaker 6: I have the greatest respect and regard for my colleagues
25:04
Speaker 6: at a speed and I think that we are going
25:07
Speaker 6: to continue on doing what we've done over the last
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Speaker 6: twenty four years. We're not about to shut up shop.
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Speaker 1: Well that is.
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Speaker 2: Really good because as you know, well I for one,
25:18
Speaker 2: have quoted Strange Policy Institute many many times. I know
25:23
Speaker 2: you've really offended the Chinese government, but that is precisely
25:26
Speaker 2: because you have identified a threat that the whole world
25:29
Speaker 2: has been waking up to. And if that your voice
25:31
Speaker 2: is silent, I think there'll be a tragedy. And I
25:34
Speaker 2: find it despicable that the premise that responded to your
25:38
Speaker 2: report today in that threatening way. Dr Malcolm Davis, thank
25:41
Speaker 2: you for your time. After the break, Elon Musk now
25:46
Speaker 2: attacks Donald Trump and the court says Trump's tariffs against
25:50
Speaker 2: Australia and the rest of the world are illegal. He
25:53
Speaker 2: cannot play the king. Two big hits that are in
26:01
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. One that's very good for Australia. But first
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Speaker 2: the Albaneza governmor today also got a hit for its
26:08
Speaker 2: radical plan to double the tax on superannuation accounts over
26:11
Speaker 2: three million dollars and even tax agains that haven't been realized,
26:15
Speaker 2: you know, on paper profits from shares or other investments
26:19
Speaker 2: that haven't yet been sold. Now, some of the Australia's
26:22
Speaker 2: richest people. Gina Reinhart, Jack Cow and Nick Wakem and
26:25
Speaker 2: others say the changes are abhorrent. They're frightened off investment
26:29
Speaker 2: and already there are reports of panic selling of property.
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Speaker 2: On the other hand, others like former senior Treasury official
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Speaker 2: Pautilly say, well, too bad the existing treatment of superannuation
26:41
Speaker 2: that isn't fair. So how bad is labors super grab really?
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Speaker 2: To discuss this and Donald Trump's news strife is Stephen Hamilton,
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Speaker 2: Assistant Professor of economics of the George Washington University and
26:52
Speaker 2: a visiting fellow at Australian National University. Stephen Hamilton, thanks
26:57
Speaker 2: again for your time. Look, we are hearing apocalyptic claims
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Speaker 2: about Labour's playing new tax on super accounts with balances
27:05
Speaker 2: above three million dollars you've got plus of course you
27:08
Speaker 2: know it's a tax even on unrealized gains, which sounds.
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Speaker 1: A bit weird.
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Speaker 2: This talk that this will destroy faith in the supersystem,
27:15
Speaker 2: will destroy investment, will force investors the go overseas.
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Speaker 1: What is the real danger here? Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Look, if you ask me would I do this policy,
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Speaker 7: the answer would be no. You know, I think there
27:31
Speaker 7: are better ways to reform our tax system.
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Speaker 1: Than this.
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Speaker 7: I think it's kind of a frankly, a bit of
27:37
Speaker 7: a money grab.
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Speaker 1: I don't love.
27:39
Speaker 7: It, but I do think that the claims of the
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Speaker 7: sort of apocalyptic claims as you as you said are overstated.
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Speaker 7: You know, yes, at the margin, this will reduce investment,
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Speaker 7: but I suspect what will happen is that people will
27:53
Speaker 7: switch from having their money and super to putting it
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Speaker 7: in some other mechanism. But maybe they pay a little
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Speaker 7: bit more tax on, but nevertheless will remain invested right
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Speaker 7: so on net. I can't see it as being sort
28:08
Speaker 7: of devastating to Australia's economy or anything like that.
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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, but that also implies in your answer that
28:15
Speaker 2: the government will not get the revenue at once because
28:18
Speaker 2: it'll switch behaviors and money mon't be there waiting for it. Meanwhile,
28:24
Speaker 2: in the US, there's been a couple of developments I
28:26
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about just today our time.
28:30
Speaker 2: A huge blow to Donald Trump's tariff war. A federal
28:33
Speaker 2: court has just said Trump has no power to impose
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Speaker 2: tariffs on the whole world minimum ten percent. We're getting
28:39
Speaker 2: hit ten percent, Russia thirty percent, other countries even more.
28:43
Speaker 2: I think tariff said, this court says are actually a
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Speaker 2: power that rests in the Congress, not the president, and
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Speaker 2: the court didn't buy Trump's excuse that bar this is
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Speaker 2: an international emergency, which does give him the power. So
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Speaker 2: there's no international emergency.
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Speaker 1: Where is this going?
29:03
Speaker 2: This seems to be a big punch in Trump's agender.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is the other shoe dropping Andrew.
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Speaker 7: You know, we've been sort of I think this has
29:14
Speaker 7: been missed outside of America, where people don't really think
29:17
Speaker 7: too deeply about how the US system of government works.
29:21
Speaker 7: In the US, we've all been waiting for this right,
29:23
Speaker 7: which is the president doesn't I mean, by any conventional
29:27
Speaker 7: understanding have the uniladder a right to impose tariffs.
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Speaker 1: He does not.
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Speaker 7: It's not a power vested in him. Eventually, it will
29:35
Speaker 7: make its way to the US Supreme Court and they
29:38
Speaker 7: will decide whether the president indeed has the right to
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Speaker 7: impose these tariffs. I'm not a lawyer. I can't tell
29:44
Speaker 7: you you know, what the outcome of that process will be,
29:48
Speaker 7: but I would say two things. One, you know, it
29:52
Speaker 7: would be good news if this tariffs were turned down,
29:55
Speaker 7: because you know, they have the potential, frankly, to devastate
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Speaker 7: the US economy and by extension, the global economy.
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Speaker 5: But two, you know, this is yet another ripple in
30:06
Speaker 5: the pond. You know, this is just another bit of
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Speaker 5: uncertainty shocking the US system.
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Speaker 7: Whether it's good news or bad news, this constant up
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Speaker 7: and down, up and down, up and down is only
30:19
Speaker 7: going to serve to kind of chill investment in the
30:23
Speaker 7: US further to lead investors to sit on their hands
30:26
Speaker 7: and consumers to sit on their hands while they wait
30:28
Speaker 7: to see this uncertainty resolved. And again, who knows how
30:33
Speaker 7: long it will be until the Supreme Court here's this
30:35
Speaker 7: case and comes to a final decision.
30:39
Speaker 2: Well, there's more Trump trouble. In fact, the Elon Musk
30:43
Speaker 2: has attacked Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Now. Now, Musk was Trump's biggest.
30:47
Speaker 2: Donor of a campaign for him, headed his Department of
30:51
Speaker 2: Government Efficiency until a few a couple of weeks ago,
30:55
Speaker 2: looking for massive savings to cut America's huge government debts.
30:59
Speaker 2: Some of the savings he proposed very controversial. But now
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Speaker 2: it says that Trump's new bill to cut some taxes
31:06
Speaker 2: but spend a bomb, a bill that Trump calls the
31:10
Speaker 2: one Big Beautiful Bill, is going to undo all the
31:13
Speaker 2: work that Musk has done to cut spending.
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Speaker 1: Here he is.
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Speaker 12: You know, I was like disappointed to see the massive
31:21
Speaker 12: spending bill, frankly, which increases the budge deeps if not
31:26
Speaker 12: doesn't decrease it, and that reminds the work that the
31:29
Speaker 12: Noche team is doing. I think a bill can be
31:32
Speaker 12: big or it can be beautiful, but I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know if it could be both.
31:36
Speaker 2: Donald Trump refused to respond directly to that. Who is
31:39
Speaker 2: right and what does it matter?
31:43
Speaker 7: Well, of course Elon Musk is right, Andrew. I mean,
31:46
Speaker 7: I kind of loved this little quote at the end there,
31:48
Speaker 7: and I'm glad you included it. A bill can be
31:50
Speaker 7: big or a bill can be beautiful, but it can't
31:52
Speaker 7: be both. So you know that the US has a
31:55
Speaker 7: passed the US Senate, right, so it's past the House
31:58
Speaker 7: this big, beautiful bill, and the seven majority leader has indicated,
32:03
Speaker 7: you know, some resistance. But as we know, Trump is
32:07
Speaker 7: incredibly influential and it's hard to imagine the Senate won't
32:11
Speaker 7: simply roll over and wave it through. The bill is terrible,
32:14
Speaker 7: I mean terrible. A we have a genuine looming US
32:19
Speaker 7: fiscal crisis. US debt to GDP is more than one
32:23
Speaker 7: hundred percent you know, that is like enormous, and interest
32:29
Speaker 7: rates are going up and up and up, and all
32:32
Speaker 7: of this trade uncertainty and the and the behavior of
32:35
Speaker 7: the Trump administration is only pushing those rates up further.
32:38
Speaker 7: Tariffs will slow the US economy.
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Speaker 1: All of this put.
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Speaker 7: Together really creates a genuine problem, I think for US debt,
32:46
Speaker 7: and it creates a real I mean, I don't want
32:48
Speaker 7: to again, I don't want to catastrophize, but it does
32:51
Speaker 7: raise the risks of a genuine fiscal crisis.
32:54
Speaker 5: That's if they don't add another dollar to the debt.
32:58
Speaker 7: But what we're seeing is they're adding to trillion a year,
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Speaker 7: three trillion a year for trillion a year, so that
33:04
Speaker 7: in ten years will be well beyond the point of
33:08
Speaker 7: sort of unsustainability. So no, I agree entirely with Elon Musk,
33:13
Speaker 7: and I don't know what it will take both for
33:15
Speaker 7: the US government finally to reckon with this problem.
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Speaker 2: But something's got to give, Yes, indeed, Steve Hamilton, thank
33:24
Speaker 2: you very much for your time.
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Speaker 1: Cheers Edric.
33:29
Speaker 2: After the break, Russia sends Donald Trump a warning to
33:32
Speaker 2: back off on Ukraine. Russia can destroy the world. Russia
33:42
Speaker 2: has just warned Donald Trump to back off over Ukraine
33:45
Speaker 2: with more threats of World War three. The US president
33:48
Speaker 2: seems to now realize, at least the Russian president, Vladimir
33:51
Speaker 2: Putin has been playing him, talking peace to Trump but
33:55
Speaker 2: instead beefing up at tacks on the Ukrainian civilians, and
33:58
Speaker 2: Trump this week warned Putin.
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Speaker 1: He was playing with fire.
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Speaker 2: But as I said last night, one of Putin's crony's
34:04
Speaker 2: former president, dmitriy Medvedev, told Trump he was playing with
34:07
Speaker 2: World War three himself. And now Putin's top propaganda man,
34:11
Speaker 2: Vladimir Slovyev, has just repeated exactly that in his top
34:15
Speaker 2: rating TV.
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Speaker 13: Show Niko Trump Nipinion Man, Come on show, azetchimkum.
34:38
Speaker 2: That's the hate messages that Putin sends his people. He's
34:41
Speaker 2: now offered Trump another carrot more direct talks with Ukraine
34:45
Speaker 2: and Turkey next week, but that is just Putin stalling
34:48
Speaker 2: it again for time, but once again Trump just lets
34:52
Speaker 2: him string this out.
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Speaker 14: I'm very disappointed at what happened a couple of nights
34:58
Speaker 14: now where people were killed in the middle of what
35:01
Speaker 14: you would call a negotiation. I'm very disappointed by that.
35:04
Speaker 14: To find out whether or not he's tapping us along
35:07
Speaker 14: or not, and if he is, we'll respond a little
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Speaker 14: bit differently.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is General Jack Keane.
35:14
Speaker 2: General Keen was Vice Chief Staff of the United States
35:16
Speaker 2: Army and a four star general and it's now chairman
35:19
Speaker 2: of the Institute for the Study of War. General Keen,
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Donald Trump, he
35:25
Speaker 2: started by saying you could end this war in Ukraine
35:28
Speaker 2: in a day. He blamed Ukraine for being invaded. But
35:32
Speaker 2: now he's calling Putin absolutely crazy. So what will he
35:36
Speaker 2: actually now do. He says he could walk away from
35:39
Speaker 2: the war, but he can't do that because that would
35:41
Speaker 2: just leave Russia freer to destroy Ukraine.
35:45
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating to watch this onfold. I
35:49
Speaker 8: do believe the President should have taken some action, you know,
35:53
Speaker 8: some weeks ago when it was obvious that Putin was
35:56
Speaker 8: stalling and had no interest in going to any kind
35:59
Speaker 8: of cease fire a peace agreement, and that should have
36:02
Speaker 8: been crippling sanctions ourselves be in the United States and
36:06
Speaker 8: also the Europeans who would participate and robust military assistance
36:10
Speaker 8: and make certain the Ukraine knows the United States is
36:12
Speaker 8: going to be there along with the Europeans. Once Putin
36:16
Speaker 8: understands that he knows he can't win. That's fact, and
36:21
Speaker 8: that would get him, I think to the negotiating table.
36:24
Speaker 8: Don't know that for sure, he may still try to
36:26
Speaker 8: avoid that at all costs. I do believe that Putin
36:30
Speaker 8: is absolutely a driven man, Andrew because he did honestly
36:34
Speaker 8: believe that back in February twenty two that they could
36:39
Speaker 8: show Russian might to the Ukrainians in Kiev and the
36:43
Speaker 8: country would just collapse to include its government. That did
36:46
Speaker 8: not happen. I believe his presidency is a stake he
36:49
Speaker 8: has to succeed in Ukraine. I believe he knows that
36:52
Speaker 8: if he doesn't, he would likely not continue to be president,
36:57
Speaker 8: and he'd likely be killed once he came out of power.
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Speaker 8: He is a driven man, in my judgment, and that
37:03
Speaker 8: is why he's pulling out all stops here not to
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Speaker 8: go to any negotiated settlement unless major concessions would that
37:12
Speaker 8: were being made to him. That would make Ukraine vulnerable
37:16
Speaker 8: Number one or number two. Keep stalling and stalling and
37:22
Speaker 8: increase President Trump's frustrations and anxiety so that he backs away.
37:27
Speaker 8: And if he backed away from supporting Ukraine, obviously that
37:31
Speaker 8: would be a major victory for Putin in achieving what
37:36
Speaker 8: his end is, and that is the top of the
37:38
Speaker 8: government in Ukraine. If the European has continued supporting, which
37:42
Speaker 8: I think they would very steadfastly, it would protract the
37:45
Speaker 8: war for a number of years still, but Putin would
37:49
Speaker 8: likely at the end have some success in taking down
37:53
Speaker 8: the country.
37:55
Speaker 2: General, Australia has banked everything for decades now on America
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Speaker 2: protecting US should there be a war in our region.
38:04
Speaker 2: As a consequence, and as a report today has underlined,
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Speaker 2: here we have a very small, undermanned, under equipped military.
38:14
Speaker 2: Really it's just a disgrace. But if there is a
38:17
Speaker 2: war with China in our region, how does the US
38:20
Speaker 2: match up to China?
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Speaker 1: Can it win?
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Speaker 2: Can we actually expect them to be able to defend
38:27
Speaker 2: us in the time of war.
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Speaker 8: Well, I spent almost two years on a Congressional commission
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Speaker 8: dealing with just that reality, the National Defense Strategy.
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Speaker 1: We concluded a couple of things.
38:39
Speaker 8: In the last four years, China, Russia are on North
38:42
Speaker 8: Korea coming together presented a most significant and serious threat
38:48
Speaker 8: to the United States interest and our allies since World
38:51
Speaker 8: War Two. We also concluded that based on current military capability,
38:56
Speaker 8: US military capability and allies in the region, that we
39:00
Speaker 8: would be challenged to win a war against China in
39:04
Speaker 8: the near term because of the erosion of US military
39:07
Speaker 8: capability over a period of well over a decade, we
39:11
Speaker 8: would be challenged to win, and indeed we could lose.
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Speaker 1: Those are the.
39:16
Speaker 8: Facts that we put on the table. The Trump administration
39:20
Speaker 8: is committing significant amount of funding one hundred and fifty
39:23
Speaker 8: billion dollars. If the reconciliation bill gets passed in a
39:27
Speaker 8: one time supplemental it'll be the largest increase in military
39:31
Speaker 8: spending since World War Two if that is done in
39:34
Speaker 8: a one year, and that would be very significant to
39:37
Speaker 8: solve the fact that we don't have all the missiles
39:40
Speaker 8: we should have. We don't have all the long range
39:42
Speaker 8: weapon systems, all the air defense systems and others, and
39:46
Speaker 8: we have to move with a sense of urgency to
39:49
Speaker 8: create the kind of deterrence that we need. We're trying
39:53
Speaker 8: to prevent a war from happening. President she has told
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Speaker 8: his military leaders be prepared by twenty twenty SI and
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Speaker 8: he has been threatening more every single year as well.
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Speaker 8: We do know that China does have some reservations in
40:10
Speaker 8: fighting the United States in a their term despite the
40:13
Speaker 8: realities I just gave you, and those are legitimate concerns
40:18
Speaker 8: because it would be catastrophic to them as well in
40:21
Speaker 8: terms of personnel losses, material losses, and certainly the world
40:25
Speaker 8: economy and the US and Chinese economy would be affected
40:29
Speaker 8: and it would take many years to recover from that.
40:33
Speaker 8: So they understand that there are issues here for them
40:36
Speaker 8: as well. What we have to do is convince them,
40:39
Speaker 8: along with our allies, work closer with our allies see
40:42
Speaker 8: if we can actually move from most bilateral relationships with
40:48
Speaker 8: US and allies to more of a collective defense in
40:52
Speaker 8: the region. Obviously we're never going to have a specific
40:55
Speaker 8: NATO so to speak, but we can get something closer
40:58
Speaker 8: to that actually working together militarily on how we would
41:05
Speaker 8: defend against a China's attack in the region.
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Speaker 2: And the way to prevent that, of course, is to
41:12
Speaker 2: make the cost of war for China so immeasurable that
41:16
Speaker 2: they blink they don't do it, and that requires us,
41:20
Speaker 2: of course to match the US as well into triggering
41:24
Speaker 2: this with that sense of urgency. General Kean, thank you
41:27
Speaker 2: so much indeed for your time.
41:30
Speaker 8: Yeah, great talking Andrew as Alwars, thank you.
41:35
Speaker 2: After the break of transgender netballer complains about being banned
41:39
Speaker 2: after this look. It is a problem when men calling
41:48
Speaker 2: themselves women play other women in sport, especially when the
41:51
Speaker 2: male body gives an advantage. What I don't like is
41:55
Speaker 2: some of the nastiness or exaggerations that turn them up
41:58
Speaker 2: against These trans athletes do, in my opinion, may well have.
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Speaker 1: Serious issues in their lives.
42:05
Speaker 2: Last week, Nebel Victoria banned two transgender players after a
42:08
Speaker 2: club threatened to boycott matches, saying these players threatened the
42:12
Speaker 2: safety of their women players.
42:14
Speaker 1: And that's fair enough.
42:16
Speaker 2: But I now read that the player I showed is
42:19
Speaker 2: being accused of having flattened an opponent and this video
42:23
Speaker 2: to prove it. Other reports that they knocked their opponent
42:27
Speaker 2: to the ground, knocked them to the ground in this video.
42:29
Speaker 2: But when I actually watched the video, I see something
42:32
Speaker 2: a lot less violent.
42:34
Speaker 1: I see a.
42:35
Speaker 2: Female player in fact, bouncing off the transgender athlete and
42:39
Speaker 2: falling over. And now that transgender player, Mana Aranui has
42:45
Speaker 2: posted an emotional response to the critics, saying I haven't
42:49
Speaker 2: been cautioned once, not in this league or any other
42:52
Speaker 2: have played in. You're not out here protecting women's sport.
42:55
Speaker 2: You're being malicious, using false narratives to master your bigotry
42:59
Speaker 2: and personal agenda behind the guys of safeguarding women's spaces.
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Speaker 2: You spread stories targeted me and enabled me to become
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Speaker 2: the sole focus of online abuse and sideline harassment. John
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Speaker 2: Ms the panel, evelnd ray Farm, a former policewoman and
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Speaker 2: Skyeys regular, and James and Ferson from the late debate
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Speaker 2: here on scar News. James, does Mademir Aarnui have a point?
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Speaker 15: Look, Andrew, if you're a biological man competing in women's sports,
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Speaker 15: it's a bit rich to complain that you are the
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Speaker 15: one being bullied.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you.
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Speaker 15: The video doesn't show the transgendered player throwing the woman
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Speaker 15: to the ground, but it does demonstrate the superior physique
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Speaker 15: of the transgendered player, which is exactly the point that
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Speaker 15: people are trying to make. It's an unfair advantage that
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Speaker 15: the transgendered player has, and I would note quickly the
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Speaker 15: transgendered player had been banned from the Ballarat League and
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Speaker 15: then went and sought a second league, which the transgender
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Speaker 15: player has now been banned from. So this is a
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Speaker 15: person who continues to push the boundaries complaining of being bullied,
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Speaker 15: I'm not buying it.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of what you say about
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Speaker 2: advantage and all that can be true, But Evelyn, I
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Speaker 2: do agree with that, But the exaggeration, I think, and
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Speaker 2: the bullying of this player that is also true.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Look, I'm sorry, Andrew, I might have to side with
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Speaker 16: James here. You might be a little bit outnumbered. You know,
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Speaker 16: my sympathy is quite limited. You know, of course, you
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Speaker 16: are one hundred percent correct though when you say you
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Speaker 16: know that we should always represent the truth. But the
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Speaker 16: other side of the truth here is the irony of it,
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Speaker 16: which is that for such a long time people have
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Speaker 16: been trying to raise concerns about this exact issue, and
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Speaker 16: this particular person is complaining of unfair treatment. Well, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 16: but that's kind of the point that a lot of
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Speaker 16: us are trying to make and have been making for
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Speaker 16: a long time. And I've said this and I'll say
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Speaker 16: it again. I really do you think women's sports will
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Speaker 16: be the tipping point and perhaps the straw that breaks
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Speaker 16: the camel's back of this transgender movement? And I think
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Speaker 16: the response to this video, whether it's malicious or not,
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Speaker 16: only kind of proves that point.
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Speaker 2: Like I say, have sympathy with the cause of women
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Speaker 2: in here that I don't believe in the noble lie,
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Speaker 2: and I don't believe in telling the exaggerations and own
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Speaker 2: truths in a point and victimizing someone who may well
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Speaker 2: have other concerns in their life as well to get
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Speaker 2: them to this point.
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Speaker 1: I think this is wrong.
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Speaker 2: This is what we criticize in the left, and I
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Speaker 2: don't think people on the right should do it either.
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Speaker 2: But I hear your points. Here's something that's odd, James.
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Speaker 2: Childcare workers. They've been asked by the Strand Children's Education
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Speaker 2: and Care Quality Authority to ask permission from babies and
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Speaker 2: preschoolers before changing their NAPPI is or toileting them to
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Speaker 2: create a culture of concers.
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Speaker 15: Fair enough, Andrew, my mother's parenting could be summed up
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Speaker 15: as while you live under this roof, you do as
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Speaker 15: I say. And I think most of us were raised
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Speaker 15: that way. These experts are extremists. I mean, can you
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Speaker 15: imagine saying to a toddler who's choking, would you like
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Speaker 15: me to remove the lego from your airways? Sorry, I
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Speaker 15: can't hear you, and this doesn't work anyway. If you
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Speaker 15: ask a baby, if would you like me to change
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Speaker 15: your nappy? Imagine the baby gives you a dirty look?
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Speaker 15: Do you let the baby sit in its poop? Of
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Speaker 15: course you don't. You change the nappy anyway. So now
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Speaker 15: you're communicating that no doesn't mean no.
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Speaker 1: This is a ridiculous.
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Speaker 15: Idea from people obsessed with ideology who know nothing about
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Speaker 15: raising children.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a very good point, Evelyn. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: was all set.
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Speaker 2: I do believe in a culture of consent, you know,
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Speaker 2: but that's a very good point. What message does it
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Speaker 2: send when the baby says or the puddler says, no,
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Speaker 2: I don't want my NAPPI changed?
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Speaker 1: You do it anyway exactly?
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Speaker 16: And that's the whole point. It's not just absurd, it's
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Speaker 16: incredibly dangerous. To blur the line between, you know, the
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Speaker 16: different concepts and context of consent is just honestly, it's
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Speaker 16: just a disaster waiting to happen. I honestly don't know
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Speaker 16: how this could be enforced. And to sort of not
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Speaker 16: acknowledge the fact that children don't have the cognitive abilities
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Speaker 16: to understand all of this, and that they can somehow
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Speaker 16: have consent like it's right for exploitation it's right. I mean,
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Speaker 16: like we really want to take this to the extreme.
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Speaker 16: I mean, how is a child going to know the
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Speaker 16: difference between asking consent of a childcare worker versus a pedophile.
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Speaker 16: I mean, we don't want any of that to happen,
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Speaker 16: but children that age are incapable of understanding that, and
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Speaker 16: to suggest that they can have that responsibility is absolutely
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Speaker 16: outrageous and we need to just flat out reject this
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Speaker 16: ideology before it really damages our children.
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Speaker 1: James, I've only got forty seconds. This is for ours.
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Speaker 2: President has invited and in the Albanzi to visit Israel
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Speaker 2: after years of Albanzi attacking this country for the way
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Speaker 2: he defends itself.
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Speaker 1: Should he go?
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Speaker 15: He should absolutely go. Andrew I was in Israel in
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Speaker 15: twenty seventeen. Changed my perspective. When you see the geography,
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Speaker 15: how small it is, they're surrounded by enemies, You understand
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Speaker 15: why Israel do the things they do. You see the
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Speaker 15: culture we're told about Israel being in apartheid state. It's
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Speaker 15: incredibly diverse, both ethnically and in terms of religion. Anthony
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Speaker 15: Albanesi should go. Of course, Penny Wong went, and she
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Speaker 15: declined to go to the scenes of the October seven massacre,
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Speaker 15: didn't she. So I don't hold any hope that Anthony
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Speaker 15: Albanesi will.
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Speaker 2: Go spot on Evelyn Ray, James Ferson, thank you very
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Speaker 2: much to you both. That's it from me, Sherry Markson
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Speaker 2: next good night,