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RRR W/ Rob - Re-Assessing JFK Lancer · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Hey there, pull up a chair.
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: Rob's got a question to share.
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: Started with a light red rod and an old note
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: in the margin thinning.
• 0:38
  Speaker 4: Then a side road turned to three more roads and
• 0:40
  Speaker 4: here we go again.
• 0:42
  Speaker 5: A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't quite align.
• 0:47
  Speaker 6: One small fact becomes a winding track by a.
• 0:49
  Speaker 4: Quarter after nine. Random research, ramblings with a rock.
• 0:56
  Speaker 5: Take the long way, let the rabbit hole bow.
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: From odd little facts to the big what ifs. We'll
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: follow every tangent till.
• 1:06
  Speaker 4: The evidence slips.
• 1:08
  Speaker 5: Random research, ramblings with Rob.
• 1:12
  Speaker 4: Bring your questions, bring your curious thoughts.
• 1:17
  Speaker 5: Was it the grassy note or a file misfiled?
• 1:22
  Speaker 4: Rob's got a theory, but he's checking them out. No
• 1:26
  Speaker 4: final answers, just a notebook.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: And a grin.
• 1:30
  Speaker 3: Tooling for the question.
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  Speaker 6: And the rabbit hole within. Random research, ramblings with Rob.
• 1:42
  Speaker 6: Where the side note is where we begin.
• 2:10
  Speaker 7: What's up everybody? I love that intro video, sorry. Oh,
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  Speaker 7: I kill me sometimes. Anyway, welcome in to Random Research
• 2:21
  Speaker 7: Ramblings with Rob. Today we're going to be talking a
• 2:26
  Speaker 7: little bit about cancel culture, getting canceled, canceling things. Mainly,
• 2:39
  Speaker 7: I want to talk about Lancer. As most of you
• 2:45
  Speaker 7: know who followed along with the show, I have not
• 2:50
  Speaker 7: been a big proponent of conferences for the last, hmm,
• 2:58
  Speaker 7: almost 10 years now. And I've cited along the way
• 3:05
  Speaker 7: the many, many problems that I think these conferences will encounter.
• 3:14
  Speaker 7: And it does start with distance. And what I mean
• 3:24
  Speaker 7: by that is the further you get away from the
• 3:29
  Speaker 7: Kennedy assassination itself this year marks the 63rd year okay
• 3:38
  Speaker 7: and interest in the case dwindles every year serious interest
• 3:46
  Speaker 7: I don't mean the jackasses on Facebook who like to
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  Speaker 7: talk shit this and that or you know quote idiots
• 3:53
  Speaker 7: and repeat unsubstantiated bullshit I'm not talking about those people
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  Speaker 7: Seems like there are more of them than ever. But
• 4:00
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about serious researchers in this case are dwindling
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  Speaker 7: by the year. You know, the further we get away
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  Speaker 7: from the event. I mean, look at all the people
• 4:17
  Speaker 7: who have passed away trying to figure this thing out.
• 4:22
  Speaker 7: All the people that have passed away asking questions, never
• 4:26
  Speaker 7: really knowing the truth, or maybe they thought they figured
• 4:30
  Speaker 7: it out. And then after they passed over, you know,
• 4:35
  Speaker 7: God was like, you got it wrong. You got it.
• 4:38
  Speaker 7: How did, how did you miss it? Um, you know, these, these,
• 4:45
  Speaker 7: these folks that are super Uber interested in the case
• 4:48
  Speaker 7: are getting to an advanced elderly age where they cannot travel. Um,
• 4:57
  Speaker 7: And it's just really, really hard for them to stay...
• 5:02
  Speaker 7: You know, you get up in your 70s and 80s, man.
• 5:04
  Speaker 7: It's really hard to, like, cognitively still be with the case.
• 5:11
  Speaker 7: You know? And I don't know how some folks do it.
• 5:17
  Speaker 7: I mean, I know nowadays, you know, sometimes life just
• 5:22
  Speaker 7: gets in the way. I mean... You could look at it,
• 5:26
  Speaker 7: you know, okay, well, when you're 70 or 80, what
• 5:28
  Speaker 7: more do you have to do rather than sit around
• 5:31
  Speaker 7: and read a lot? And write. And I get it. And,
• 5:35
  Speaker 7: you know, and I'm not taking anything away from the
• 5:39
  Speaker 7: old guys. I'd rather listen to what they have to
• 5:42
  Speaker 7: say than some 20-year-old who thinks that they, you know,
• 5:47
  Speaker 7: or some Johnny-come-lately who done figured it out, right? The
• 5:53
  Speaker 7: older I get... the more I realize that I didn't
• 5:58
  Speaker 7: know shit when I was younger. I thought I did.
• 6:02
  Speaker 7: I really thought I did. But age will humble you.
• 6:09
  Speaker 7: And you must allow it to humble you. Or else
• 6:14
  Speaker 7: you're just going to be a bitter old man or
• 6:18
  Speaker 7: old woman. So recently... JFK Lancer announced that they were
• 6:28
  Speaker 7: canceling this year's conference. A month and a half before
• 6:36
  Speaker 7: it's actually going off. This could be a problem. And
• 6:48
  Speaker 7: here's why, on several levels. It's not a good look
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  Speaker 7: to cancel preeminent conference that's been around for gosh 35
• 7:07
  Speaker 7: 36 years due to poor ticket sales and the increased
• 7:14
  Speaker 7: cost of traveling now I've recently bought airplane tickets not
• 7:27
  Speaker 7: to Texas although I will be stopping in Texas But
• 7:31
  Speaker 7: to Costa Rica. All right. And I thought, you know,
• 7:37
  Speaker 7: the tickets were pretty reasonable. You know, a round trip
• 7:43
  Speaker 7: ticket for 500 bucks. It's not bad. If I was
• 7:48
  Speaker 7: just going to Dallas, I'm sure it would be cheaper.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, let's check how much a plane ticket to
• 7:59
  Speaker 7: Texas costs. All right, here we go. So I'm on
• 8:05
  Speaker 7: the East Coast. I'm in Virginia. I would be flying
• 8:11
  Speaker 7: if I were going out of Dulles, Allen Dulles Airport,
• 8:14
  Speaker 7: Allen Dulles International Airport. So this is just me looking
• 8:20
  Speaker 7: up a round trip flight, round trip, you know, just
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  Speaker 7: basic economy. I'm not trying to fly first class or anything. But,
• 8:35
  Speaker 7: and this is from Thursday, November 19th, and then coming
• 8:40
  Speaker 7: home Sunday the 22nd. So, this flight here on Frontier Airlines, non-stop,
• 8:53
  Speaker 7: round trip. You see the price. The cheapest you can
• 8:56
  Speaker 7: go is United Airlines. $ 209. $ 209 for a round-trip ticket
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  Speaker 7: from Dallas and then back again is not bad. So,
• 9:14
  Speaker 7: I don't see how they could blame high ticket prices
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  Speaker 7: as a reason to cancel Lancer. Now, let's be bougie.
• 9:29
  Speaker 7: Let's upgrade to business class because, you know, big bad
• 9:34
  Speaker 7: Bob doesn't fly economy, right? Even still, business class on
• 9:42
  Speaker 7: Frontier Airlines would be 572 bucks round trip. Under 300
• 9:46
  Speaker 7: bucks each way. That's not bad. That's not bad. Now,
• 9:59
  Speaker 7: if I wanted to. whip out my swinging dick status card.
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 10:05
  Speaker 7: And get on first class. Well by golly. You're looking
• 10:14
  Speaker 7: at a thousand bucks roughly. That's a little crazy. To
• 10:18
  Speaker 7: fly first class. And that's, well, yeah, that's with one stop.
• 10:29
  Speaker 7: A 50-minute layover in somewhere, IAH, wherever that is. Non-stop,
• 10:40
  Speaker 7: you're looking at $ 1, 100, $ 1, 200. So that's first class. That's
• 10:45
  Speaker 7: swinging dick status. That's crazy. But I would easily, if
• 10:54
  Speaker 7: it was me, I would easily do business class for
• 10:58
  Speaker 7: 500 bucks. Yeah. So I don't really know how Gabby
• 11:09
  Speaker 7: can justify that as a reason to cancel Lancer. Now,
• 11:16
  Speaker 7: I did notice this year. that they didn't announce Lancer
• 11:21
  Speaker 7: until very late. After the other conference had already announced
• 11:30
  Speaker 7: that they were, A, having a conference, and B, a
• 11:32
  Speaker 7: lot of their speakers who were going to be there,
• 11:36
  Speaker 7: where it was going to be held and all of that.
• 11:39
  Speaker 7: I did notice that Lancer was a little behind in
• 11:43
  Speaker 7: kind of putting this thing together. And A lot of
• 11:48
  Speaker 7: folks had reservations because it was not being held in
• 11:52
  Speaker 7: a hotel. Let's see. It was being held in Crimson Park,
• 12:03
  Speaker 7: which is an event center. Now, this is it right here, 208.
• 12:10
  Speaker 7: So I'm guessing you go in here and it's likely
• 12:15
  Speaker 7: on one of the upper floors. Above this bar here.
• 12:23
  Speaker 7: It's called... It's called Chet's. Chet's Bar. You stupid buttwad. Sorry,
• 12:33
  Speaker 7: that's my Chet impression from Weird Science. How would you
• 12:41
  Speaker 7: like a ham sandwich served in a dirty ashtray? All right.
• 12:52
  Speaker 7: So again, this, oh, hello. How you doing? Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 7: Got distracted by some hot chocolate. Again, this is, there
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  Speaker 7: are hotels close by within walking distance, but when you're,
• 13:17
  Speaker 7: you have to understand that, you know, 90%, I'll be
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  Speaker 7: nice and say 80% of your target conference audience are
• 13:31
  Speaker 7: elderly people.
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that's just mostly what's there. No offense to anybody,
• 13:39
  Speaker 7: but 80% of the attendees of conferences are old AF. Okay? And,
• 13:47
  Speaker 7: you know, unless these people are locals, they're either going
• 13:51
  Speaker 7: to have to drive a long distance... Or fly and
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  Speaker 7: then stay at a hotel and then walk to a
• 14:01
  Speaker 7: conference center? I don't know. That doesn't really make it easy.
• 14:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, at least in a hotel, it's all encapsulating, right?
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  Speaker 7: It's an elevator ride from your room to the conference.
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  Speaker 7: You can hang out, go to the bar, whatever, shoot
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  Speaker 7: back up on your elevator. not too terribly taxing on
• 14:25
  Speaker 7: an old person, but when you do something like this,
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  Speaker 7: where you have it at a venue that's likely upstairs,
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  Speaker 7: and I'm guessing there's an elevator, all right, I'm not
• 14:38
  Speaker 7: saying there isn't, I'm guessing there would be, but, you know, still,
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  Speaker 7: you have to expect that person to walk to and
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  Speaker 7: from this conference multiple times a day, uh, for three days.
• 15:01
  Speaker 7: No bueno, as they say.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 7: So let's take a look at this. This was the
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  Speaker 7: original poster. And again, this was just posted October 3rd. Okay. Uh,
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: They just posted their speakers October 3rd. Now, a lot
• 15:32
  Speaker 7: of these folks that are listed as being speakers are
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: double dipping. That means they were going to speak at
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  Speaker 7: both conferences this year. I know that is true of
• 15:42
  Speaker 7: Robert Grodin. I know that is true of Gary Fannin.
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  Speaker 7: I know that is true of Dick Russell, Casey Quinlan,
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  Speaker 7: Brian Edwards. Uh, Maybe Simpich, I don't know. Maybe Matt,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. But not a lot of exclusivity here.
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  Speaker 7: Not a lot of exclusivity here. You know, and when
• 16:10
  Speaker 7: you're trying to plan out three days of research, discussion,
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  Speaker 7: and community, you're going to need more than what we're
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: looking at here, which is basically a one and a
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  Speaker 7: half day lineup. And that's giving everybody like an hour, okay?
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: You figure eight hours a day, you take eight names
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  Speaker 7: off the top and give them each an hour or
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  Speaker 7: each 55 minutes plus, you know, there'll be breaks here
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  Speaker 7: and there, an hour for lunch, whatever. And then you
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: come down on the next day and you got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. Yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: I don't know about that. I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 7: And look, I don't know how Gabby chose her speakers
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  Speaker 7: at this. I know some people probably offer to do it.
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  Speaker 7: Some people are probably asked to do it. It's debatable.
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  Speaker 7: I know Fred Litwin asked to do it. And he
• 17:25
  Speaker 7: was told no. Which is odd because they had also
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: announced in a different thread, not sure if I can
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  Speaker 7: find it or not, that a different lone nutter, Robert Vitt,
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  Speaker 7: Was going to speak. But they didn't want to have Fred.
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  Speaker 7: The low nutter speak. Which I find interesting. But back
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  Speaker 7: to this little announcement here. Alright. So October 3rd. Three
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  Speaker 7: days doesn't have to mean. A three day size price tag. Allegedly.
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  Speaker 7: So in person. If you're there in person. You're going
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: to pay $ 155. 00. Plus tax for three days worth of
• 18:30
  Speaker 7: conference fun. So, you know, you're looking at roughly, you know,
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: roughly 50 bucks a day. 50, 60 bucks a day.
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: which I think is a little high personally. You can
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  Speaker 7: buy the whole damn conference virtually, which is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: recorded stuff of the entire three days for 80 bucks.
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  Speaker 7: And if you're a student, meaning if you're in a
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  Speaker 7: high school or college, you only have to pay $ 44
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  Speaker 7: for all three days. So 15 bucks a day, which, uh,
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  Speaker 7: is crazy. The, The difference in pricing here. I mean,
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: you want to entice young people to come and make
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: it as cheap as possible. But you also don't want
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: to rape the old people who have enough money to
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: pay for this. And the banquet is extra. There's upgraded
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: ticket options for those too. So I don't know what
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: it would be with the dinner, which, of course, if
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: you're going there in person, you want to do that.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm guessing that would kick your thing up to
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: over 200 and some dollars, be my guess. I don't know.
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: but I'm not just here to kick a horse when
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: they're down. No, no. I would like to be of
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: some assistance, not in the literal sense, but in, in,
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: in the sense that I would like to give you
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  Speaker 7: some advice, Gabby. Now I met Gabby back in 2019.
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: She probably doesn't remember at Lancer. Um, I think Deborah
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Conway was still there then, but Gabby was around, and
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: we met briefly at the book tables. Very nice. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: have nothing bad to say about Gabby personally. However, we
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  Speaker 7: are talking about running a very long-standing, respected JFK Research Conference.
• 21:11
  Speaker 7: Part of those duties are keeping up with the website,
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: social media, getting a good facility with either good audio
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: and video capabilities or finding somebody in your orbit who
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: can make sure that they know how to hook up
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: shit the right way, audio and visually. as in you
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: need a tech person, right, to make sure everything's running smooth.
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: You also need to, ahead of time, scour for interesting speakers.
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: And what I mean by that is, look, love Robert
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: Grodin to death. But is he going to come out
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: here at age 80, whatever, and give us anything new?
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: I don't know. Who is Andy Keel? I don't know.
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: Who is Damon Ice? I don't know. I know who
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Matt is. Matt Douthat. Dr. Gary Aguilar. He's been around forever.
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  Speaker 7: He speaks every year. Anything new? Craig Bozarth. Couldn't tell
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: you who he is. Gary Fannin. Mark Young. Couldn't tell
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: you who he is. Ryan Jones. No clue. Dick Russell.
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  Speaker 7: Have heard of him before. Casey Quinlan and Brian Edwards.
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  Speaker 7: They're there every year. They talk about something every year.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: And again, if you just listen to Brian Edwards over
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: on Cyphered Pass when I tore that shit apart, if
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: you really want to go hear what those guys have
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: to say, I don't know what to tell you. Jeff Meek,
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: Bill Simpich, Tom O'Neill. Tom O'Neill would be interesting. He's
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: the guy that wrote the book Chaos. About MKUltra and
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Charles Manson. What's his name? It's right on the tip
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: of my tongue. I'll think of it here in a second.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: Jolly West. Louis Jollyon West. So would that be an
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: interesting presentation?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Unless you've read his book already and seen the documentary,
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: unless he's got something new to say, I don't know.
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: And again, in this day and age, do we really
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: need conferences? And here's my point. And this is where
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  Speaker 7: I'm getting to the meat of my advice for Gabby. Again,
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: I'm not here just to kick a horse when it's down.
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: I'd like to have a solution of some kind for you.
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  Speaker 7: Because I understand that it is a lot of work
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: to put something like this together. Especially when you are
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: a single mother of two. And you work hard. And
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: this is your side gig. You also do a podcast
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: with your mom. You get it. You're busy. But this
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: is like... It's kind of a big deal. Because JFK
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: Lancer was the last respectable... JFK Research Conference out there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: There are others... There have been others, and there will
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: be others. Those folks are on the fringes of conspiracy theories.
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: People that tell you Oswald was in the doorway due
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: to these 200 points of match right here. See all
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: these little red arrows? Well, this means that, and this
• 26:07
  Speaker 7: means that, and this means that, and they were photoshopping
• 26:09
  Speaker 7: stuff back in 1963. And everybody was involved. Ike Alton
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: was involved. The Associated Press was involved. The Dallas Morning
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  Speaker 7: News knew about it. Yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. All
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: the JFK horsemen, the motorcycle riders, they all stopped and
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: did a circle and so-and-so got off his motorcycle and
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: went and picked up a piece of skull and then
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: got back on it and he crossed in front of
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: the Secret Service car despite nobody seeing... It's not in any.
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: There's no eyewitness testimony. It's some horse shit that comes
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: from an unpublished manuscript from 1972. You think you found
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: something great? Not to mention Judith Baker looking in the corner.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: Miss old, I banged Lee Harvey Oswald. Sure you did.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Sure you did. Sure, you participated in these top secret
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: scientific experiments with David Ferry and his cancer research on
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: the mice. Sure you did. Sure you did. Mm-hmm.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: Horse shit. Horse shit. But I digress. Back to my
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: advice on how to handle this moving forward.
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  Speaker 5: So.
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: Looking at their website here now, it's not jfklancer.com, it's jfkpublications.com. Now,
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: I can't tell you what the last book that JFK
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: Lancer Publications has published. I have no idea. There is
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: no store on this website To buy any JFK Lancer publications.
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: There's just not. You see what I'm seeing. I see
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: their social media handles up here. I see the about page.
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: Which is what we're looking at. Right? There's a schedule.
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: And then there's a login page. And that's it. There
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: is nothing else here. It tells you down here there's
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: 31 days left until the conference. Five hours, 21 minutes,
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: 48 seconds as it's counting down. But then up here,
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: where it says where, it says physical conference canceled. So
• 29:03
  Speaker 7: are they still having some kind of virtual thing? I
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: don't know. I haven't heard from any of the speakers.
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: I haven't heard confirmation or denial from Gabby. I'm guessing
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: they just shit-canned everything. Would be my guess. And my point, too,
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: is that most of the people who were excited about this,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: when it was announced, booked their tickets.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Booked.
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: A hotel, and then a month and a half out,
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: you're going to cancel. I mean, I hope those folks
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: had some good insurance. And if they didn't, if they're
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: just losing out on this airfare and, uh, you know, uh,
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: All of this stuff. I mean, sure, they could just
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: go take a vacation to Dallas that weekend. And either
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: just go see the sights, which is what I would recommend.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Or if they really want to go to a conference,
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: they can go to the Cuckoo Conference. But I wouldn't
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: recommend that. My point is, you're going to piss a
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: lot of people off that have already purchased plane tickets.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: And reserved hotels. For this weekend. To cancel the conference.
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: This late in the game. Because this wasn't announced. Until recently.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Like within the last week. That Lancer would be canceled. So.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: I think what is needed.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: Here's the schedule. Here's the schedule. That's where I saw
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Robert Vitt's name. He's a lone nutter. Schnapp. What happened?
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's pretty sad. This was the 30th annual
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: JFK Lancer Conference. And to have to cancel it is
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: a gigantic... To Lancer. And I mean gigantic. It's not good. And.
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: The reason. It's not good. Is because. Of exactly what
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: I'm doing. Right this second. I am living proof. That
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: any asshole. with access to a computer who can talk
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: a little bit, can have their own show or podcast. Now,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: I didn't just walk in off the street like this.
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: I've been researching the case for 35 years. I've been
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: podcasting for 12 years. I'm not new at this. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: know what it takes to get here without cheating, Seifert passed.
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: I know what it means to get here without buying subscribers.
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: Ciphered past. I know what it means to put a
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: show together and not have to rely on some skafooza
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: guests to come along to make my show interesting. Ciphered past.
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: But I digress. I digress.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: I digress.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: You know, contrary to popular belief, there is a lot
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: of work that goes into the shows that we do
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: here on a bi, you know, well, every week we
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: do two shows. And every week, those shows are at
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: least two hours long. So that's four hours. And we
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: always have a topic, right? So you got to understand,
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: if somebody's speaking at Lancer, They're getting 50 to 55 minutes,
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: 45 minutes, maybe 55 if they're lucky, once a year.
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: I'm doing a Lancer presentation, in quotes, twice a week,
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: two times. So basically the equivalent of four Lancer presentations
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: a week. Averagely, what I'm doing, this is not even
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: including the book reviews or this show. I'm talking about
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: Just Alone Gummin' podcast. So every week I'm doing four
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: Lancer presentations. Or the equivalent of four Lancer presentations. Are
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: they all bangers?
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: Do you learn something new every show? Try to give
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: you something new every show, but not always. Little known facts,
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: little tidbits. You know, it's hard when your audience is
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: smarter than the average bear, but I'm proud of my
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: audience being smarter than the average bear because that's where
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: I like to be is in the weeds with some
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: of this stuff. Like, you know, you want to talk about,
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: you know, Beverly Oliver's shadow for two hours. We can
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: do that. We certainly can do that. Um, but that's
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: where the fun lies. You know, I try to think
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: outside the box, bring you something new or a new, uh,
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: way of looking at things. But here is my thoughts
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: on moving forward. The best thing for Lancer to do.
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: All right. And I don't know to the extent, because
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: I've never actually talked to her about it, but I'm
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: not 100% certain about Gabby. And again, this is nothing personal.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: I just have, I'm not certain about her extent of
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: commitment and dedication to the subject. I mean, it's one
• 35:53
  Speaker 7: thing to help out once a year. It's another thing
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: to plan and be behind the scenes and figuring everything
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: out during the course of a year for the next year.
• 36:07
  Speaker 7: I'm not sure of her dedication to the subject matter.
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: Kind of got... I wouldn't say inherited. And I know that... Well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: that doesn't even matter. But my suggestion would be this.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: You have to ask yourself one question, Gabby. Moving forward,
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: what do you want JFK Lancer to be? It used
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: to be a place where authors who couldn't get published
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: at the big publishing houses could go to get published.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: It used to be a repository of research. Articles, newsletters, magazines, books, documents, files.
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: All that went away. It doesn't exist anymore. except in
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: the Wayback Machine. And good luck with that. I just
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: showed you the website. If you're not going to be
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: publishing anything, drop the publications off of it. Totally. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: just call it JFK Lancer or JFK Lancer Conference. That's it.
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: The title is misleading. because you're not really publishing anything.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: I would also ask of you to go look in
• 38:03
  Speaker 7: the mirror and really, really ask yourself, you know, based
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: on the last years of the Lancer Conference and the
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: dwindling attendance, the dwindling quality and quantity of respectable researchers
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: willing to come speak at your conference, what you want
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: to do moving forward. Because obviously, if you can't sell
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: tickets on the 30th anniversary of your own organization, that's
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: a problem. That's a problem. Also, I didn't see anything
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: on the website about any kind of sponsors. To me,
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: that is something that you need to do all year
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: long is try to get some sponsors to lessen the
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: burden of ticket costs for the average person that you
• 39:34
  Speaker 7: want to come to the conference. I mean, in this
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: day and age, you know, I mean, look, I hate
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: going to the movies nowadays because, I can't get out
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: of that movie theater. If I'm taking, if I go
• 39:55
  Speaker 7: on a date to a movie theater, between tickets and
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: popcorn and drink and whatever else, you are not getting
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: out of that theater for probably less than 60, 70
• 40:08
  Speaker 7: bucks if you're lucky. If you're lucky to go see
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: one movie with one person. Yet people continue to do it.
• 40:29
  Speaker 7: But you want to charge the equivalent of $ 50 a
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: day to come sit in some uncomfortable plastic chair and
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: listen to non-interesting people drone on for eight hours a day?
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: That's like paying to attend your own executions. You know
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: what I mean? Like at some point, it's just like,
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: I just can't sit here anymore. And you just pay
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: people to do this for three days? You better have
• 41:05
  Speaker 7: some very interesting speakers and promote the shit out of
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: it as them being interesting, as this being something new. Again,
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: my point being, And I'm living proof. Anybody can have
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: a show on the internet. Right? And you are more
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: than welcome to watch this show for free. Okay? You
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: don't have to get me a super chat. You don't
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: have to tip me $ 3. You don't have to ask
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: me what my email address is so you can send
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: me $ 10. It's free for everybody. Right? I have a sponsor.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Their name is YouTube. Okay. I'm not getting rich from YouTube. Okay.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: But they do pay a little bit here and there.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: When folks watch my stuff. Because of ad revenue. They
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: share it with me. Which I understand. They're giving me
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: a platform to reach millions of people. They're the ones
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: doing the heavy lifting. Locking down sponsors. or advertisers and
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: they're rewarding me for people watching my show a certain
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: percentage of people watching the show i get a certain
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: percentage of the ad revenue and again it's not that
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: big when you look at it from a per video
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: perspective right like this one my average random research ramblings
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: make anywhere between three and six dollars after a couple
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: weeks Just from ad revenue. That's not shit. Okay. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: then after that, YouTube takes a third of that.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: So do the math. Now, does it help that I
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: have 417 episodes at this point out? You know, so
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: for every video that people watch, you know, it piles
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: up a little bit over the course of a month.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: But again, I'm not getting rich here. I can't quit
• 43:26
  Speaker 7: my nine to five, my job that I hate going
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: to every week. I can't quit that job to do this,
• 43:36
  Speaker 7: although it would be nice. But I got a long
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: way to go before we get there. So back to
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: point being, is that anytime I can have any one
• 43:50
  Speaker 7: of these people, right? I could call up Gary Aguilar.
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: I say, Hey man, uh, Hey, her, her answer got canceled. Um,
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: you know, would you like to come on the show
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: and talk about, you know, your research, what you got
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: something new, you know, yada, yada, yada. If he says, well,
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: I'm not, I don't really have anything new, but I
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: did have a book come out last year. And, um,
• 44:19
  Speaker 7: You know, well, you know, Gary, sorry, but no offense. But,
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: you know, if you don't have anything new, then there's
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: really no point to come on the show. You know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: but hey, the offer still stands. Any new research you
• 44:32
  Speaker 7: got going on, you're more than welcome. Reach out and
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: we'll get you on the show.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: Big time is asked. You know. You can have guests
• 44:48
  Speaker 7: on that are doing research. In fact, we're going to
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: have a good one on this week. And most people
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: aren't going to like him. But you have to respect
• 45:00
  Speaker 7: what he's doing. And what he does. We've got to
• 45:07
  Speaker 7: stop this mindset of, well, because he thinks Oswald did it, dude.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: That disqualifies everything that comes out of his mouth. No,
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: it doesn't. It doesn't. I mean, would you like it
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: if somebody put that label on you? Well, you're a
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: conspiracy theorist, so therefore everything you have to say is horseshit,
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: and I'm not listening. You're not worthy of hearing out. Sorry.
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: You're a crazy person. I'm the sane one. No, I
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: think you have to be capable of having a conversation
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: about things. And if you can't do that, then what's
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: the point? Honestly, what's the point? You don't need to
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: have a knock-down, drag-out fight with anybody. I was just
• 46:01
  Speaker 7: on Fred Litwin's podcast. We had a very nice conversation.
• 46:05
  Speaker 7: Things didn't get heated or testy or anything like that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: We had a conversation. You can disagree with someone. You
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: can disagree... about perspective. We can agree on the same
• 46:21
  Speaker 7: event happening. We can agree on certain facts of the case,
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: but we look at it from two different perspectives. You know,
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Fred may be convinced of one thing because of this,
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: and I may be convinced of one thing because of that.
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: That's what you have the conversation about. But again, what
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: is JFK Lancer going to be Moving forward, should they
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: get back in the conference game? Do you have what
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: it takes to get back in the conference game? I
• 47:00
  Speaker 7: saw Chris Gallup canceled his little thing he does every
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: year this year because, again, low ticket sales, no interest
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: in the case anymore. Again, we're so far out. People
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: have heard everything. We're in the age of the internet,
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: of instant communication. The TikTok age. Where you don't have
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: to wait for information. We don't have to wait a
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: year to hear from Robert Grodin. We can go over
• 47:38
  Speaker 7: to Jess Connell's channel right now. and actually hear a
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: conversation between two human beings about the case that is
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: way more interesting than anything that Robert Groden would stand
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: up in front of Lancer and say. We can do
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: that right now. You can go do it for free.
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: You don't have to pay money to attend a conference.
• 47:59
  Speaker 7: You don't have to buy plane tickets. You don't have
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: to reserve a hotel. You don't have to eat out
• 48:04
  Speaker 7: every night. You don't have to go buy you some
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: new Dove's. Or like Joe, go buy you some $ 170 pants.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: But I digress. So what do we do moving forward, Lancer?
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: Here's what I would do. If I had taken over Lancer,
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: here's what I'd do. Look. it was very hard for
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: a long time to sustain two to three conferences. Because remember,
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: Copa met the same fate not too long ago. Kappa
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: met the same fate not too long ago. Now Lancer.
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: And look, while the other one might seem like it's
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: thriving or whatever. It's not. I'm sure ticket sales aren't
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: great there either. And what has happened to all the
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: rest will happen to that one eventually. You have to
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: bring the heat when you're talking about conference presentations. It
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: can't be something out of a book you wrote. It
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: can't be something that you've been on six podcasts pimping
• 49:35
  Speaker 7: all year long. By the time Lancer rolls around, it's
• 49:39
  Speaker 7: old news. So what is the solution? Here's my recommendation.
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: Starting in December, immediately after the anniversary, you should really
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: do a little research, Gabby, and do some digging and
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: see what folks are still working on this, researching the
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: case avidly and putting together good information. And once that
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: has been established, you know, take a while to do it. So,
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: you know, after the first of the year in January,
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: you should be, you should have a big long list
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: in front of you and you should be getting in
• 50:41
  Speaker 7: touch with these folks and say, look, We are not
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: doing an in-person conference this year. That is outdated. That
• 50:49
  Speaker 7: is so 1995. Okay? But I'll tell you what we
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: are doing. Here's what we're doing. We will be... Everything
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: will be digital. So here's what I want you to do.
• 51:12
  Speaker 7: You have.
• 51:14
  Speaker 7: A half an hour. And I wouldn't even put that
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: much of a strain on it. I would say you
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: have 30 minutes. 30 to 60 minutes.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Alright.
• 51:27
  Speaker 7: To come up with something. Record it. On your computer.
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: As a video file. Send it to me. Alright. And
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: I'm going to compile all of these submissions. For release.
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: Next November. So what you do. Is you just go
• 51:56
  Speaker 7: digital Gabby. You can sell physical media. You can sell DVDs.
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Because old people love those. And you can sell digital downloads.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: You can sell it on a little memory stick.
• 52:12
  Speaker 5: Whatever.
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: Whatever. You keep the price low. Somewhere around, I don't know,
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: 30 bucks. For the entire conference. Virtual conference. Right? You
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: get sponsors throughout the year to advertise. You run commercials.
• 52:43
  Speaker 7: All doubly.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Or....
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: Physically where you can see them and that's the way
• 52:54
  Speaker 7: you do it moving forward I mean I don't know
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: of any other way to do this other than changing
• 53:05
  Speaker 7: the game start a JFK Lancer podcast and look just
• 53:14
  Speaker 7: do it once a month Where you have somebody on
• 53:18
  Speaker 7: once a month. Or, you know, twice a month. Whatever
• 53:24
  Speaker 7: the case may be. Get it sponsored. And do it
• 53:29
  Speaker 7: that way. And don't charge anything for it. You just
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: establish yourself as a podcast. Not the most horrible idea
• 53:45
  Speaker 7: in the world. And if you're not comfortable doing it,
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: you know, find a good talker, a good interview, somebody
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: very knowledgeable on the subject to step in and be
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: the host. And then you, in your capacity as head
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: of JFK Lancer, you acquire and schedule the guests, right?
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: you structure each episode in such a way that folks
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: know what they're getting. And it may be very successful.
• 54:32
  Speaker 7: I mean, if you're doing this to make money, then
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: I would say good luck. You know, if you're doing
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: this for the love of the game, I mean, you
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: could even pay the speakers at that point. You don't
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: have to pay them a lot. Say, hey, look, I'll
• 55:06
  Speaker 7: give you 50 bucks. You come on, talk a little bit, whatever.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: Sign over your rates for us to sell this. DVD,
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: sell this digital download, blah, blah, blah. Here's 50 bucks.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: Or you could offer them a cut of the sales
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: of that year's digital download or DVD. Like, hey, we'll
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: give you 1% of all the revenue from that. I
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: don't know. I'm just spitballing here. I don't know. Because
• 55:49
  Speaker 7: what I really want to say is you don't need
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: conferences anymore. JFK Lancer was good while it was good.
• 55:57
  Speaker 7: But things change. Times change. Technology changes. We don't have
• 56:06
  Speaker 7: to travel to see Jim Fetzer speaking in person anymore.
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: I can sit right here in this chair, and I
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: can look him up on YouTube, and I can go
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: watch him for free if I want, whenever I want.
• 56:29
  Speaker 7: That's where we're at. I guarantee you, this other conference
• 56:34
  Speaker 7: going on down there is not going to be the
• 56:37
  Speaker 7: bee's knees. It is not going to be heavily attended,
• 56:43
  Speaker 7: and it's not going to last forever. Meaning it's not
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: going to be around forever. It's going to meet the
• 56:49
  Speaker 7: same fate as all the other ones I've told you about.
• 56:52
  Speaker 7: Do you know how many organizations and things like this
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: have came and went in the case? I mean, my God.
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: Tons and tons and tons of them. And again, the
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: further away we get from the event.
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: The more interest in the case drops off, the more
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: OG researchers drop off. You know, I see Gary Shaw
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: being propped up and pulled around. All right, dude, you
• 57:31
  Speaker 7: wrote a book back in the 70s, 50 years ago.
• 57:34
  Speaker 7: What have you done for me lately other than defend
• 57:38
  Speaker 7: Beverly Oliver's honor? We'll talk about that on another show.
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: But I digress. You know, a lot of these guys
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: sit around this old stuff and, you know, they've been
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: around forever. They're respected by certain individuals for whatever reason.
• 58:09
  Speaker 7: But in this day and age, we just... The conference model...
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: Is outdated... And unnecessary... Is my point... So take the name...
• 58:26
  Speaker 7: Of the organization that you paid for... And do something
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: else with it... Either start publishing shit... Start getting your
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: repository back in order... If it's even possible... Of all
• 58:42
  Speaker 7: the old publications... The old research, the old files, the
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: old documents, the old books, the old magazines, all that
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: stuff is an invaluable resource. And how you do that
• 58:58
  Speaker 7: is you sell ad space on your website to make
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: money from the people that visit it. That's how that works. Again,
• 59:09
  Speaker 7: you're not going to get rich, but... Every little bit helps. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: If you want to keep this JFK Lancer thing in...
• 59:19
  Speaker 7: The people's hearts and minds and mouths... You want to
• 59:23
  Speaker 7: give them something positive to talk about. Not something negative
• 59:26
  Speaker 7: to talk about.
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: Like, ah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: Boy, they canceled. A month and a half before, not
• 59:36
  Speaker 7: a good look. Poor ticket sales on your organization's 30th anniversary.
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: That is not good. That is not good. And you
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: know what's even not gooder about that? Is that I
• 59:56
  Speaker 7: find it so hard to believe that more people Not
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: just in Dallas, but in the surrounding areas of Dallas
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: like Fort Worth, Irving, Garland, Rockwall, Arlington. All of these
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: communities and Dallas and you can't fill up a fucking room.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: for a conference about a president, a United States president
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: who was gunned down in the street in your own city.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: I find that fascinating that you cannot fill up a
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 7: room for three days just from locals. Not to mention
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: people who you would expect to fly in from across
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: the country and the world. To Dallas on the anniversary
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  Speaker 7: is almost a mecca trip, if you will. But you
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  Speaker 7: can't even fill up a room of locals? That's bad, man.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Dallas, this ugly blemish is part of the
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  Speaker 7: history of your city. And no matter how hard you
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  Speaker 7: try to bury it, that six-floor museum was hopping when
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  Speaker 7: I was there. There was all kinds of people in
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  Speaker 7: there going through doing the tour. Obviously, they're interested in
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  Speaker 7: the case. So if you have 200 people going through
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  Speaker 7: that museum every day, you can't fill up a room
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  Speaker 7: of 50 people to have a conference in Dallas? That
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  Speaker 7: is just sad to me. It's time to flip the script,
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  Speaker 7: change the model, throw out the old shit, bring in
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  Speaker 7: the new. And just cut ties. Cut bait. Get out
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  Speaker 7: while the getting's good. You know, doing this thing as
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  Speaker 7: a passion project and losing money, your own money, is
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  Speaker 7: not a good business model. But you can't keep convincing
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  Speaker 7: yourself that maybe this should be different. It won't. It won't.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 7: I have rambled enough. I have rambled enough. So on
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  Speaker 7: a lighter note, as we skedaddle out the door here,
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  Speaker 7: on the way out the door, I came across something
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  Speaker 7: in the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum that
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  Speaker 7: made me giggle. So hopefully it'll make you giggle and
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  Speaker 7: we'll giggle our way on out of this episode before
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  Speaker 7: we get canceled by everybody who hates me. I'm joking.
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  Speaker 7: Everybody loves Big Bad Bob. Codenames in the Kennedy White House.
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  Speaker 7: These are codenames that the Secret Service had for folks
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  Speaker 7: and things and places in the Kennedy White House. This
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  Speaker 7: is just Secret Service lingo. So everybody knows Lancer. Hi,
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  Speaker 7: JFK Lancer. Lancer was the president. Okay, that was his codename, Lancer.
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  Speaker 7: Lace was Jackie Kennedy's nickname, or codename. Lancer and Lace.
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  Speaker 7: Caroline was Lyric, and JFK Jr. was Lark. So you
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  Speaker 7: have Lancer, Lace, Lyric, and Lark. Say that four times fast.
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  Speaker 7: Random research rambles with Rob. Lancer, Lace, Lyric, and Lark. Lancer, Lace, Lyric,
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  Speaker 7: and Lark. Now some of these don't make any sense,
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  Speaker 7: like Acrobat being Andrews Air Force Base. Angel, the presidential aircraft.
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  Speaker 7: Fitting name for that. Leaving Dallas. Camp David was nicknamed
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  Speaker 7: the Cactus. Again, some of these are interesting. Some of
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  Speaker 7: them are not. So the White House was called Crown.
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  Speaker 7: Dapper was Mr. O'Leary. Mugsy O'Leary. Clint Hill's nickname was Dazzle.
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  Speaker 7: Roy Kellerman's nickname was Digest. I guess maybe because he
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  Speaker 7: farted all the time, you know, he just couldn't digest
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  Speaker 7: his food very well. We had Agent Floyd Boring, who
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  Speaker 7: was the Deacon. Domino was James Rowley, Chief of the U.S.
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  Speaker 7: Secret Service. Dragon, now that's a cool nickname, was Agent Campion.
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  Speaker 7: Gerald Bain was Duplex. Dean Rusk's nickname was Freedom. Let's see. Dr.
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  Speaker 7: Berkeley was Market. Crash Boat PT-109 was Novice. The Vice
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  Speaker 7: Presidential Speedboat was nicknamed Rockfish. That's LBJ's boat. Some of
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  Speaker 7: these are pretty... self-explanatory like Satchel was the presidential courier
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  Speaker 7: or the bag man. Codename Satchel. Uh, Smokey was Sergeant
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  Speaker 7: Major Duffy. Spectator was General Samson of the DEFCON agency.
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  Speaker 7: Spud was Mr. Nash Messenger. Subway was, I guess, Communication
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  Speaker 7: Center on the east end of the White House. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: Tiger Colonel James Swindle. He's the presidential pilot. Uh, Tulip
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  Speaker 7: was Corky Magan, the presidential pilot of official matters. The
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  Speaker 7: Johnson LBJ ranch was known as volcano. Like, ah, God,
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  Speaker 7: we got to go into the volcano again this weekend.
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  Speaker 7: Vice president Johnson's code name was volunteer because I don't
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  Speaker 7: know why. Uh, Maybe he volunteered for a lot of things.
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  Speaker 7: Kenny O'Donnell's nickname was Wand. Malcolm Kilduff was Warrior. General
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  Speaker 7: Clifton was Watchman. Pierre Salinger, Wayside. Mrs. Evelyn Lincoln, the
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  Speaker 7: President's Secretary, was codenamed Willow. The Air Force aide, again,
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  Speaker 7: this is one of those apropos names, General Godfrey McHugh
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  Speaker 7: was nicknamed Wing. and witness Captain Tazewell Shepard, another naval aide.
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  Speaker 7: So these were the Secret Service lingo in the Kennedy
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  Speaker 7: White House. I just thought it was funny. Just a
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  Speaker 7: way to end the show on a light note of
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  Speaker 7: such a horrible, miserable topic of canceling things. I hate
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  Speaker 7: when things get canceled. It's a real bummer. A real bummer. But,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I think it's time to reevaluate things. Revamp
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  Speaker 7: and reevaluate. Reassess. And either cut bait, cut ties and
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  Speaker 7: move on. Or come up with something really new. And
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  Speaker 7: you know what? If it doesn't work, hey, fuck it.
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  Speaker 7: You tried. You know? At least you tried. But anyway,
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  Speaker 7: that's it for me. Random Research Rambles with Rob. I
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  Speaker 7: will see you very soon for a book review. And
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  Speaker 7: flying this week solo, allegedly, possibly, on the Lungomen. Wednesday night,
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  Speaker 7: we'll see. Me and Joe did pre-record for a Friday
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  Speaker 7: show with a very fantastic guest. So be on the
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  Speaker 7: lookout for that. Until then, this is Big Bad Bob
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  Speaker 7: fighting off snakes. Got to watch out for them. Peace out.
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  Speaker 3: Started with a last red card and a note and
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  Speaker 3: a note and a margin thin.
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  Speaker 4: Then a side road turned to three more roads and
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  Speaker 4: here we go.
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  Speaker 5: Again A photograph, a witness, a date that doesn't.
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  Speaker 3: Quite align One small fact becomes a winding track by.
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  Speaker 4: A quarter after nine Random.
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  Speaker 5: Research, ramblings with a rock Take the long way, let
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  Speaker 5: the rabbit hole bow.
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  Speaker 7: From odd little.
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  Speaker 3: Facts to the big what ifs. We'll follow every tangent.
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  Speaker 4: Till the evidence slips.
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  Speaker 5: Random research, ramblings with Rob.
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  Speaker 4: Bring your questions, bring your curious thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Was it the grassy note or a file misfiled?
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  Speaker 2: Rob's got a.
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  Speaker 4: Theory, but he's checking them out.
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  Speaker 6: No final answers, just a notebook.
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  Speaker 4: And a grin.
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  Speaker 6: Tuning for the question and the rabbit hole within. Random research,
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  Speaker 6: ramblings with Rob. Where the side note is where we begin.
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  Speaker 2: Random Research Ramblings Random Research Ramblings Jeff K. questions one
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  Speaker 2: by one.
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  Speaker 4: Talk it out, the day ain't done
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  Speaker 2: Random Research Ramblings Random Research Ramblings