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The intra-national cognitive war against me, you, and our United States of America · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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Good day.
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Welcome to the Midday Report on the America Out Loud News Talk Radio Network, the countermomentum of spin.
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I am your host, Dr.
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Franco Musio.
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To our friends listening in the United States and around the world, we're gonna jump back into the frying pan, so to speak.
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A hot and heavy topic.
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So we were talking about exercise.
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We were talking about judgment and uh envy and so forth.
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Um this particular time.
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The the title of this is the intra, not inter, intra national cognitive war against me, you, and our United States of America.
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I'm privileged to present to you a very well-known radio and podcast host on America Out Loud, who was in the trenches, uh incredible, um incredible experience.
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Uh I will venture to call him a statesman at this point, uh, but uh in our intelligence community.
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So Edward Huglin is really uh he's a retired federal senior executive and U.S.
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Air Force veteran.
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He's had over four decades of service uh as a senior founder leader in the intelligence community, department of defense, department of homeland security, department of energy and state, he did it all.
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I don't know about the Department of Agriculture.
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I I don't think so, and all those other things.
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But anyway, he did a lot.
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So he served as a senior advisor to several many uh intelligence community agency heads, the assistant inspector general for inspections for the intelligence community, the chairman of CIA's uh strategic planning, deputy team leader for the this is what gets me, the INF, the intermediate range nuclear forces, uh arms inspection team, the former Soviet Union, and an award-winning CIA intelligence analyst.
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We'll go on and on.
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So his book, the cognitive war, why are we losing and how can we win?
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I think, and I've mentioned this a number of times, should be required reading for everyone, but everyone in the country.
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But even grade school, maybe, but particularly as opposed to what they're giving them now.
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But particularly by those interested, uh, and and working in the intelligence community.
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Uh, it's available on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles.
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There's still time for Christmas or New Year's gift.
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How about that?
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So, Mr.
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Hogland, Ed, you're my mentor.
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You've been in my mentor in this domain.
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Welcome to the countermomentum of spin.
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Oh, great, great, uh, Franco.
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Thanks for having me.
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Look forward to the discussions.
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Absolutely.
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Uh, it's always always uh my pleasure to have uh into intellectual debate and discussions with you.
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And so let's uh let's light the world on fire.
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Okay, so this is not going to be a Hillary Clinton um type of interview.
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Okay, I'm not going to give you softballs, even though I was mentioning before, even though I may agree with you the vast majority of times.
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I'm going to give you some hardballs too.
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So he mentored me, I said that already, and I him on medical issues, uh, previous show, the National Security Hour, uh, on America Out Loud.
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Um, so what I'd like to do is start with definitions.
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Let's say the theory.
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Um so I think it's critical, absolutely critical to spend a little bit of time on definitions.
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Then we'll go into the mechanisms, the operations, if you will, of cognitive warfare, and then the actual outcomes, the impacts, the hardcore results.
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So, Ed, bear with me here and audience bear with me.
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I'm going to use a medical analogy, a chemical reaction.
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So we have reactants.
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These are the initial substances that go into a chemical reaction.
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So that's kind of the theory, I would say.
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We're going to talk about this in a minute.
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Then we have the actual reaction.
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What's a reaction?
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It's a process where chemical bonds break of the reactants, new bonds form, resulting in products.
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Products can be good.
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In this case, maybe not so good.
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We'll talk about all these.
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So I'm going to use Mr.
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Hogland's definition in his book of cognitive war.
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Cognitive war, quote, primarily an ideological war between tyranny and freedom, control and independence, subjugation and democracy.
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It's a war fought primarily in the cognitive domain, you using strategies that apply various ways, ideology, religion, issues, blah, blah, blah, etc.
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Institutions and means.
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I gather these are the institutions, academic, economic, agricultural, social, etc., to influence.
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And its most basic form, it's a war between good and evil.
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Cognitive war can and does include irregular warfare and kinetics.
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So I give it to you.
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You still there?
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Yo, I'm still here, yes.
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Okay, I'm giving you the definition.
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This is what you said.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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All right.
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Well, well, let me let me segue the NATO.
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The NATO Strategic Warfare Development Command, 2024, cognitive warfare is fought by, quote, activities conducted in synchronization with other institutions or instruments of power to affect attitudes and behaviors by influencing, protecting or disrupting individual, group, or population level cognition to gain an advantage over an uh adversary.
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So that kind of dovetails in what you said.
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Yes.
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It does in a way.
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So go on, please.
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Uh well, I'm going to give you my definition.
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This is after learning from you and others.
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So uh this is what I wrote in mine, and then I'll leave it all to you.
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The the mass media machine control via cognitive warfare in America Out Loud uh News Network or on it.
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This is what I wrote.
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So, as citizens of this great country, it is critically important for all of us to be aware and vigilant of the ongoing subtle campaigns from both outside and within our borders, um, designated to shape our collective consciousness as a society.
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On the other hand, this subtly uh subtlety belies the actual power of their import.
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In essence, cognitive warfare is a very complex form of quote unquote battle or hostility with the aim of gaining superiority by fracturing the cognition and ultimate actions of small or very large groups of people, such as a country.
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As such, its goal is to influence principles, perceptions, and decision-making processes in order to weaken an opponent's will and foundations.
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So there you go.
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Three definitions, including yours.
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Well, those those are good.
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So the NATO's definition speaks to activities.
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It's a limited definition, but it's an okay definition.
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Same with your definitions.
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It's a little bit more rush robust, I think, than even the NATO definition.
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The key, though, for this discussion is this is not about technology only.
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This is not about just influencing only.
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It's not about uh one set of means, you know, one pathway only.
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It's about multiple integrated parallel ongoing efforts that are occurring uh both domestically and globally in efforts to then undermine and subvert our national way of life is the sole objective be gaining absolute power.
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The key word maybe here is subtle, subtle, doesn't hit you over the head most of the time.
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Yes.
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Well, so for example, look at look at the uh Chinese police stations that were deployed and are probably some still deployed throughout the United States.
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You know, very subtle in terms of uh it's it's uh application, right?
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But very unbehind look at the Confucius Institute.
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Uh look at the radical left indoctrinate, yeah.
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And look at the radical left here domestically indoctrinization of our students over the last five decades, how they usurped the K through twelve universities and academic realms, okay, and have turned them into indoctrination centers, okay?
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All done very subtly.
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Why?
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Because in many cases, uh, what I call in my book, this is the boring but critical stuff.
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But because it's somewhat boring policy making or education school boards and stuff, people don't think about that.
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But that's where the real rubber meets the road here in America in terms of being able to subvert us because they realize our attention span is very small, it's myopic.
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So they use that.
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And with the human beings, but critical source, yes.
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Human beings.
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They then take advantage of those gaps.
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Well, guess what?
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If there's no money, there's no indoctrination.
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So, in other words, uh the if you want to talk about the communist party uh and other means, we'll talk about this, you know, uh in the future here a little bit later, George Soros, and there's many, many people with a lot of money who are underwriting in a sense.
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Uh um cognitive warfare.
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What do you think?
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No, absolutely.
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Or am I wrong?
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No, no, you're absolutely right.
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Look at, for example, Venezuela.
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Okay, Venezuela has been uh doing certain things to uh subvert our elections here in the United States.
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2020 election may play some some role in that for sure.
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And the confusion, but the Chinese thousand light program when they they uh pay university professors and others to come there, like Tim Governor Tim Waltz, okay, and then they compromise them and they get them to then uh do their bidding in terms of pushing their propaganda.
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And look at uh
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Look at the city.
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Don't even get me started.
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Don't even get me started.
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And the whole Somali fraud thing.
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It's it's very subtle, but it's very effective.
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They still now probably nine billion dollars.
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Oh my god.
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Oh, guess what?
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More.
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More, more.
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Um it's probably more than that.
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All right.
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Well, Ed, the mechanisms.
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I'm going to talk about the mechanisms, and then you what you just mentioned results.
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But so internationally.
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So internationally, we're going to talk about intranationally, but internationally, there's technology, there's size cyberspace, cyber war, multi-level, multinational campaigns using, as I mentioned to you, subtle, very subtle, but very powerful.
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Um media, social media, um, and other media, AI, media in general.
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Now, nationally, here, nationally.
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Again, this is the reaction part of the chemical reaction.
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You know, this is when you see the the reaction fizzling and the catalysts in there and so forth.
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So also cyberspace and cyber warfare.
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Um, the prosternization of concepts taken from socialism, communism, Marxism, fascism.
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So we don't live in a communist state, but but there are tendencies from the far left.
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So these are the foundations, I think, for spreading left-wing, progressive, non-conservative ideology.
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We don't we don't live, you know, in Russia.
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We don't live in China, thank God.
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But there are I'll I'll use an analogy, bipolar disorder.
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So bipolar disorder in the psychiatric world.
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I'm not a psychiatrist, hardly.
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Um sometimes maybe I need one, but hardly.
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But there aren't there are maybe all of us.
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There are not uh not everyone has bipolar disorder, but there are bipolar tendencies.
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Uh all of us to some degree, maybe some maybe more uh more than others.
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We have tendencies, but we're not overtly bipolar.
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So but but maybe the far left is using tendencies, if you will, uh uh in various degrees.
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There's a continuum here, socialism, communism, Marx, and fascism.
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That's the reaction part of the equation of the chemical equation, I think.
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And then still the reactions are the institutions.
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So you mentioned institutions in your article, the impact of cognitive war on America, um on America out loud.
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This is what you said.
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You said education, law enforcement, military, health care, homeland security, economics, national security, national, national debt, as kind of an institution in and of itself, energy, weapon stockpiles, good science, rare earth supplies, another institution, international trade.
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Then I go on and I say, well, psychology, sociology, technology, science, like you say, religion, theology.
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It goes on and on, philosophy, art, ethics, music, sports, sports for sure, metaphysics.
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You you go into all the, you know, like a college campus, uh, you know, history, education, mathematics, physics.
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How can you how can you dovetail mathematics and physics uh with this?
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Well, you can because they're teaching, they're teaching these kids mathematics through the prism of far left progressivism.
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Have you seen that?
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Um give it to you.
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Yeah, so so you're right.
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So the what you're pointing out here is the mechanisms are the means.
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And uh, you know, Chinese call this unrestricted warfare.
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Uh this is cognitive warfare, what they use, though, is unrestricted warfare tactics, meaning they use any and all means.
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So whether you said whether it's medical, whether it's healthcare, academic, economic, okay.
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Every one of those different arenas has an underlying effort to subvert it, overtake it, and then rule it.
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Okay.
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We've seen, and we just talked about the academic aspect in terms of the indoctrinization over there.
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That became readily apparent during COVID.
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The economic aspects.
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Take a look at what they did with the Green New Deal in the last administration have been pushing this uh green crap uh for years and for decades now, okay?
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Yeah, the polar beer still live, the ice caps are still there.
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Now, Gore and uh John Kerry still around on carbon emitting jets that and getting paid millions of dollars or earning million dollars, spewing the gases of uh greenhouse gas.
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Isn't that a little hip hypocritical, Ed?
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Just a little.
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Oh, it's it's not only hypocritical, but it's purposeful.
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Okay, and so uh in the Biden administration, the whole Green New Deal was basically a sellout to China, which he was compromised by because remember his son and him took payoffs from China.
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So I remember in Ukraine.
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Of course.
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Yeah, and so the whole solar deals, the solar panels, the rare earth materials, all these things, okay, which China had.
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Where was the money going from these trillion dollars in the green investment?
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They're going to China.
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They weren't going to develop the infrastructure and capabilities here in the US, which we have all the energy we need, as Trump is proving.
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Right.
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But they were outsourcing this and subverting America's NASA security.
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What to then provide the Chinese greater strength, greater economic power, all at our expense.
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Well, what it why why does it do that?
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Because it allows them to then usurp power domestically, control things domestically, down to your gas stove, down sheer gas lawnmower, and leaf blowers.
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Yep, yep.
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So ulterior motives, ulterior motives, not going A, B, C, D, but going like A, B, F G, and so all over the place, but ultimately have having a purpose in mind, ultimately having a brand, maybe to fool and trick uh others, you know.
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Um, yeah.
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Well, yes, but a key aspect of this for people to understand, though, is the ideologies he talked about, communism, fascism, Marxism, et cetera.
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Okay.
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These are the ways I talked about with ideology and religion as well.
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But in all these instances, people must remember these are just cloaks, the owning the wolves for sheep's clothing, because none of these folks actually believe in these ideologies.
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These are utopian ideologies which have been proven bankrupt for years.
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But this is a part of the way they use this of subsovert America because Americans have a very myopic short-term focus.
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So many of the young today don't remember the Cold War.
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No, don't remember the communism, right?
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Are you insinuating?
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Are you insinuating they're lying to us?
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Oh, yeah, yeah.
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But it's been very effective.
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And it's a very good thing.
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I'm kidding.
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I'm kidding.
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I'm kidding.
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Of course they are.
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But I know.
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But yeah, but it's just like Lenin.
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Lenin and Marx, they weren't true uh Marxist Leninists that what they were doing is use it as a means to usurp power and goods from other people.
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I mean, look at Marx.
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He lived off the money of uh well-funded donors.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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And he was a he was a shill, and he would he was uh he didn't care for his own children, okay?
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And they use this stuff to then cover for themselves and live off of other people's expenses.
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By the way, side note, Putin doesn't either.
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You know, they developed their own COVID vaccine.
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Um, and he had his daughter try it way before he even took it uh as the guinea pig.
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So I mean that's in their DNA kind of.
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Alrighty, welcome back.
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Welcome back with our guest, Mr.
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Uh Ed Huglin.
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So uh I'm gonna talk about some of the outcomes, the hardcore results.
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This is the end result of the chemical equation of uh, I don't know if you like that analogy or not, but uh uh of cognitive warfare.
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So the products of cognitive warfare.
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And Ed, you've mentioned a bunch of these, and we we've touched on these already, but there's 20 well, there's a hundreds, but these are the impacts, and I'm gonna some of these I'm gonna go through pretty quickly, but the educational system.
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Well, our public educational system, preschool to postgraduate level.
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Goes into the private system and private private schools as well, not only, not only um publicly funded schools, but privately funded schools.
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Um this is disgusting.
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But uh uh at least at this point, and by the way, the counter-momentum of spin, the the the title of this uh show, um the Trump administration I I think is taking the bull by the horns, and what they're trying to do is to prevent or to to perform counter-momentum maneuvers on what I'm gonna be saying here, but law enforcement, um uh uh enabling felons to prey on the innocent.
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Absolutely.
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Well, why?
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Because they're given stand downs, that's why.
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Um, in many cases, many case, or they were at least.
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Um the judicial system, you mentioned a blank judicial system as an insurrectionist and unconstitutional movement.
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I I gotta say I have to agree with you by radical judiciary.
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Well, it's not the majority, but but thank God, but certainly a sizable minority to to take away power, usurp power, and uh and let these people go, let these criminals go by you know, the safe spaces for boys and girls, um, you know, to uh that that's another one.
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The they're being altered, they're being altered.
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Um, you know, uh uh to allow pedophiles.
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Well, pedophiles thrive in in this kind of society in in which you know a far left society, they do.
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Why?
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My opinion, they're they're let out of jail, uh, but and they pervert everything.
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Um you wrote the United States Senate as our deliberative body, but I I would I would disagree with you there.
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I would say you have to not disagree, I agree, but I would add, of course, more so the House.
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Uh why are there so many radicals in there?
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Or or at least they the media that they make media um oh headlines, and well, they're voted in.
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Why are they voted in?
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How are I should say how are they voted in?
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Well, you know, um, this speaks to everything you're saying.
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Military.
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Um, you know, the the role of civilian leadership, um and and everyone took an oath to present prevent our constitution.
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But but look at this what is it, six people who who say no, uh, disavow or or well, yeah.
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If the president gives an unlawful order, such as the president, um I remember once, uh, if he listens to this, he won't like this, but Bill Clinton was with uh Greg Norman, the the golfer, and he he was drunk and he fell downstairs, and that's how he actually broke his uh hip or his lower extremity, and he was taken care of by someone I know at Walter, uh not Walter Eat at Bethesda Naval Medical Center, and they're all to you and she traveled with him.
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But during the time that he was drunk, I think he called the vice president and said, Look, just like if I'm having a colonoscopy, just you know, take over here.
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But but if the vice president is drunk, it says, go ahead and nuke everything.
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Well, that's an unlawful order, okay.
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And the Secretary of Defense is responsible for not obeying that order, which he would not.
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He would not obey that order.
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So hence stop.
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That's unlawful.
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But to help uh curtail the drugs coming into our country, and I'm gonna I have a comment about that a little bit later, that are now flowing through Venezuela and other countries.
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Well, they're flowing from everywhere.
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Um and then that's an unlawful order.
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No, it's not.
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Um, and you also mentioned here, number seven, uh the nation that regularly condemns socialism, communism, and tyranny was globalized to accommodate those broken ideologies so as to advance them here in America.
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Okay, let me stop a little bit.
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I need to take a breath of air here.
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Well, you mentioned the six senators, the Democratic senators who made that video.
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Yep.
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Okay, that was a purposeful psychological operation, because they told the troops they they should never follow an unlawful order.
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But of course, none of them could give an example of Trump providing an unlawful order.
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Well, there's a reason for that.
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He didn't.
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He hadn't.
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Well, that exactly.
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But at the same time, at the same time, they they mentioned nothing about the uh unconstitutional orders that Obama gave to um assassinate U.S.
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citizens on foreign soils because they were associating with ISIS terrorists.
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Uh they also mentioned nothing about Millie, uh chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, former Mill uh chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Millie, who talked about uh his efforts with the Chinese and and what he said to the Chinese when when Trump was uh in in office, okay, subverting the president in my mind at that time.
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And so what they're doing here is they're saying something, but not giving an example.
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And for the five years that I I did teach uh and lecture at the Army War College on cognitive warfare every year, I would ask the uh rising uh junior officers and some uh mid-level officers.
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I'd ask them, consider is what do you know what an unlawful order is?
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And what would you do if you were given an unlawful order?
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Uh but none of them could ever explain what that is.
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And so it the the point in a broader sense, it would be valid, but the way they used it was to basically subvert the president's efforts and his control of the military.
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Okay, and you've seen what they did to the military with the transgender issue issue is they used and misappropriated that transgender issue, where you have 85% plus the people with gender for dysphoria attempting suicide at some point, and then they tried to normalize that uh spectrum of people as being good for national security.
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Well, making an analogy, that's like saying, okay, because serial killers are really good at killing people, and we ought to bring them into NASA security because then we can deploy them because they're good killers, okay?
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That's a good idea.
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Yeah, the mental psychology of these people know no bounds, in other words.
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True.
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They call us off and the impacts as you're talking about of cognitive warfare is on every fascist society.
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And that's why uh Trump recently went back out on the campaign trail to highlight what they did economically, because people have already forgotten who left us in this crap hole, who left us in this crap hole economically with 30 million illegal aliens spending literally billions, hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars on their health care and other things.
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The crime committee.
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Here's another one.
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Uh we see innocent people murdered daily on our highways by illegals who cannot read, but were given a driver's license for 10-ton semi-trucks.
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Um of these were Indians, by the way.
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I mean it it does, it's not only Central Americans, it's not only Central Americans.
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Uh we see other innocents stabbed in the neck, pushed onto railways, assaulted, assassinated.
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You didn't put here burned, um, others murdered in the hundreds of crosswoke progressive cities each week, which is clearly clearly disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
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But what's the purpose here, Frank?
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If I can interrupt you, it's the purpose here is to create anarchy care and destabilize society.
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Okay, because this is how the radicalist is operated for centuries.
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Well, well, well, let me interrupt you, but by letting them out, by letting them out of prison.
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So in other words, there's always going to be a segment of society that is uh, you know, psychiatrically uh sick and uh and you know will will murder people, whoever, for whatever cause, not even not even a cause, for that matter.
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But but if you get at the root of this, um I these individuals, I don't think are saying, oh, I I believe in progressive leftism, and I I believe that I should be killing people because I like it.
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Um, no, they're in jail, but not for very long.
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That's where that's where the problem is.
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They're let out.
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They're let out.
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I don't think they all have agendas.
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They have yeah, they have agendas to kill, but but I don't know necessarily for a purpose, meaning to propagate far leftism.
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The far leftism or the progressivism is you don't keep them in jail forever.
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You don't, you know, uh capital punishment, which I think is too light, by the way, but anyway, uh people will disagree with me.
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But you're you're hitting on a theme here in the last my several articles and what I'll be having coming out here shortly on America Outlaw and other places as well, is you mentioned it up front about the bipolar for example.
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What the left understands is through their vehement rhetoric, their nasty rhetoric of calling people fascist dictators, etc.
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Okay, it paints them as evil, and they know there are a number of these fringe elements out there, whether they just got released from prison or others, there's a number of fringe elements out there.
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And these fringe elements, they know what they will be following them, and they will incite them to specifically do specific acts of violence.
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Yeah.
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Or they're shooting the ice officers, or they're stabbing a young lady in the neck on a subway, where it's setting someone on fire, okay, or they're running someone over because they're trying to enforce the law.
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Okay.
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Like all these things they know will take place.
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Okay, the two assassinations against Trump where there is very muted responses from across the board, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, okay.
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All these continued attacks are only getting worse and worse.
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They are.
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But you see the progressive left double down on the rhetoric.
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And why is that?
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Because they understand this rhetoric is purposely enabling that small percentage of the psychotics to act.
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And then they'll feign the feigned disbelief and that they had no part in it.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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But they're directly causing these types of things to happen.
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And this is where you get that group thinking mentality, and then it builds.
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And that's where you saw, for example, the the free Palestine demonstrations, the anti-Semitic widespread anti-Semitism that swept throughout the United States, okay?
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Yes.
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These are the results of well thought of strategies the progressive left is using in this cognitive warfare.
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And it creates the anarchy, the instability, and some subversion by which they can take advantage of.
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I agree with you to some extent, but uh maybe to a large extent, because yeah, just just the culture, if you will, of um of violence, the culture, right?
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Do you remember Maxine Waters?
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She was in Washington, D.C., she was in a street corner, and she says, you go up to, you know, those people, meaning the Trump people, you go up to them face to face.
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Remember that?
31:26
So uh I mean that's part of part of it.
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But I think, for example, the individual who killed with a knife, that poor young, beautiful girl in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Uh I I don't know that he has left-wing ideology behind it, but but in a culture of violence, he it certainly would uh uh bet or enable if that's what you're saying.
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Yes, but remember also the narrative of the left was that all white people are bad.
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Okay.
31:59
So the narrative Yeah, but they're white themselves.
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The majority are more many of them are themselves.
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But yeah, but the individual that doesn't matter, the individual that murdered the lady in the subway on the subway with the knife.
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Yes, he was black, okay.
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She was white.
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So as I noted my article, their narratives are intent on dehumanizing any opposition.
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If policies promote the rights of felons, murderers, rapists, those over law abiding citizens.
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Yeah.
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Yes, unfortunately.
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Yes.
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Are for the disruption of society and societal norms, okay, by misappropriating fringe elements.
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And their actions abuse the trust of the American people, because these are elected officials.
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Okay.
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So but these are all not separate events.
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These are all interrelated, different facets, different means to cause the chaos and alarm in America.
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And why?
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Because then they can subvert Trump.
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So they create the crisis under Biden.
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Now they're claiming the victimhood and blaming it on Trump.
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And they're very effective at that because of the short-term memory people have.
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So they blame what they just created on Trump, so then they can come back and rescue us from the hell they just created.
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It's like uh uh Byron McDonald's uh the candidate for Republican governor said this morning asking the arsonist to put out the fire.
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Yes, yes.
33:20
Yeah, that's that's a good uh analogy, but I would differ with you about just Biden.
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I mean, go back even more, go back to Obama uh uh and prior to that.
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Where were the seeds placed?
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Well, if you really study this, I I think the seeds are likely many years ago, uh, you know, even maybe prior to Obama.
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I agree with you.
33:41
It's been decades.
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It's been decades, it's been the last six decades.
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Yeah.
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The last six plus decades, this has been underwork.
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No, this isn't just starting off.
33:50
That's that's like so that's a great point, Frank.
33:52
I mean, you raise is people need to understand this is the subtle aspect you highlighted.
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This has subtly been going on in this norm, the psychological warfare.
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This cognitive warfare has been subtly going on for the last several decades.
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Well, so it's so much so that most Americans think the Civil Rights Act was passed because of uh Democrats, not because of Republicans.
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A lot of people still think today that that the Republicans were the slave owners, not the black uh not the Democrats, okay.
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And a lot of people think that the control laws were Republican policies.
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No, those are Democrat slave owner policies.
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But this is how effective that narrative has become.
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Right.
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In fact, there were there were a number of slave owners who were black themselves, right?
34:35
Um, okay.
34:36
I I'm gonna jump to something, and and this is where the hardball comes in, maybe.
34:41
So, in terms of the intra national cognitive war, listen to this.
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This is based on Gallup polling, 2024, early this year, 2025.
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If you look at the Democratic Party itself, or Democrat Party, of that whole party, 49 and 50 percent consider themselves liberal slash progressive.
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Now, if you look at Pew Research, 16% of the Democrat Party consider themselves very liberal, which I would interpret as progressive left.
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34 to 43 percent consider themselves moderate, and six to twelve percent consider themselves conservative.
35:25
So you have, let's see here, you have 53 half, maybe a little more than half of the Democrat Party consider themselves moderate to conservative.
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Uh, and then you have below 20 percent, 16 percent, at least per Pew research, and this is not scientific because I'm mixing up different polls.
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16 percent.
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So I'm not a purist here, uh, consider themselves very liberal.
35:51
So I want to talk about separate articles you wrote.
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What one of them is understanding terror and tyranny, or renamed the radical left's quest for absolute power is deafening in America allowed us.
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So I'm gonna read a paragraph to you.
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This is what you wrote, and I'm gonna have you comment the other end.
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So the terror, violence, anarchy, assault, indoctrination, radical influence we see today in America are not new.
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We must understand how to stop it.
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Uh the narratives fuel this evil.
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Uh we see policies, issues, and actions of radical left ideologues.
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That there's no moral equivalency in history or today to what the radical left is unleashing.
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Then uh the narratives are intent on dehumanizing any opposition.
36:35
You mentioned that leftist policies promote the rights of felon murderers, rapists, and the like over those of law-abiding citizens.
36:43
Their issues advance the disruption of societal scientific and legal norms by misappropriating fringe elements, uh, transgenders, pedophiles, drag queens, antifa, to use their victims.
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I would say, I would argue that they use these fringe elements as vehicles of their ideology as much as representing their ideology.
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So let me stop there and have you comment.
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Yeah, well, um I I agree is that but that's where they create these people as victims.
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So transgender pedophile, great queens and antifa, okay.
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People just don't understand them.
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So they create them as victims, and then they use them as their weapons in this in this fight.
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And when you talk about the percentages of Democrats who think that they're moderate or conservative stuff, well, you have to dig deeper as to what does that actually mean.
37:32
Because today's Democratic Party doesn't resemble the party 60 years ago.
37:38
Oh no.
37:39
It's extremely far left and extremely far left.
37:44
Kennedy would have been a Kennedy would have been a Republican, or at least a left-leaning Republican.
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Maybe Kennedy would have been thrown out of the Democratic Party, and just as they're trying to throw out John Fetterman, Senator John Fetterman.
37:58
Yeah, he's evolving.
37:58
He's evolving.
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Hold that thought.
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Hold that thought.
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Welcome back, everybody, with uh we're privileged to have, I'm privileged for sure, to have uh Mr.
39:24
Ed Huglin.
39:26
So Ed, I'm gonna read a couple other things here that uh I think resonate with a lot of people.
39:31
So this is the same article you wrote, uh understanding terror and tyranny.
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You wrote here, for example, the leg uh level of cognitive dissonance is astounding, given the recent recorded history of tyrants like Stalin or Mao, current tyrant tyrants like Zee and Putin, and the rapid advancement of radical left progressives like Mr.
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Zoran Mundhabi and Miss uh Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.
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Why in the hell does anyone applaud fund or advance them?
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Or for that matter.
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Matter.
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Listen to the like-minded radical zealots like Senator Sanders, oh my goodness, or Warren, even better, or governors like Holka or Waltz.
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Doesn't the fact that these so-called socialists are all millionaires?
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I uh send signs of massive hypocrisy.
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Yes.
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We see so many unwilling to call out the evil emanating from these individuals.
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And so many more coward from speaking the truth for fear of reprisal.
40:25
I gather the conservatives and Republicans.
40:28
So I hand that to you.
40:31
Well, not just conservative and Republicans.
40:33
Okay.
40:34
So look at how many lawmakers have told law enforcement officers in ICE and other places, and in people in the military.
40:43
You best beware, because if you do this to like Senator John Kelly, who uh was part of that video talking about not following illegal orders, okay.
40:53
Yes.
40:54
If they are threatening our military members, they're threatening our law enforcement members with retribution should they get back in office.
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And given the last several decades, okay, and especially the last 10 years of reprisals, law affairs, cancel culture, and other things, and deplatforming and other things.
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This is a chilling effect on people overall because people are stupid enough to vote these people back into office and hand them more power.
41:25
And when they do that, I'm laughing, but I'm crying.
41:28
I'm crying at the same time.
41:29
I'm not laughing at you.
41:31
I'm agreeing with you.
41:32
Well, they're gonna take, but they're taking they're taking this power and they've shown what they're gonna do with it.
41:36
Okay, that the storm they were gonna destroy individuals who oppose them.
41:40
No free speech for you.
41:42
No free lunch for you, only for our legals, the friends who we want to become our new uh members of our 21st century plantation dependency.
41:51
Okay, so they're doing this purposeful.
41:53
So what's that tell you?
41:54
Is that eventually, just as it said in World War II, I forgot who the quote came from.
41:59
If if they don't come for you today, they will come for you tomorrow.
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Okay, you'll be next on the list.
42:04
So you have to speak out.
42:06
You have to take action.
42:07
You have to take a look at their policies and what they're voting on.
42:10
The Democrats right now are not running on any positive policies.
42:14
The shutdown of the government was so they could fund illegal health care for millions of illegals.
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Why?
42:21
Because they want to get their votes and give them free passage to vote when they get back in office.
42:26
I mean, I have a counter counter-argument of that, not an argument, but observation.
42:30
You know what?
42:31
It doesn't matter because just myself, they would just go to the emergency room.
42:35
It doesn't matter to have funding or not have funding.
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They they implicitly do.
42:39
That they get sick, they go to the emergency rooms.
42:42
Every emergency room in the United States, 99.99%, is bound by the Hippocratic Oath, etc., to take uh patients no matter where they come from or their status, legal or not legal, in.
42:56
Okay, so you know so on that point, Franco.
42:59
Take a look at the change since Trump's been in office.
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Before Trump came in office, I would go to the emergency room for something, okay, and it would be packed as you said.
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Yes, mostly with illegals.
43:11
Now today I can walk in the emergency room, I can get what I need.
43:15
It's a little it's okay, it's a little better.
43:18
It's actually more than a little better.
43:21
Yes, you're you're in Fairfracts County, though, okay.
43:24
Oh, yes.
43:24
I I've traveled different places, uh Delaware, Tennessee, and others, okay?
43:28
Dramatic shift, dramatic shift.
43:31
Yeah, yeah.
43:32
There is, and I I see patients in the Midwest as well.
43:35
So yeah, to that point that uh you're right about that.
43:38
Okay, here's another pair.
43:39
Yeah, yes, I'll give you that.
43:41
Uh the radical left leverages years of tried and true revolutionary tactics and techniques, hiding behind various veils to cloak their efforts, as you've been saying.
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The use of ideology, religion, or issues, blah, blah, blah.
43:54
You mentioned that as ways to advance their quest for absolute power.
43:57
The magnetism, magnetism, magnetism, and seduction of evil are great.
44:03
So that's a powerful sentence you just wrote there.
44:06
Um we have seen so many souls seduced by the seven deadly sins of pride, envy, gluttony, greed, lust, sloth, and wrath.
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Rather than fight for what is right, they succumbed.
44:18
So you're talking about Democrats themselves, too.
44:21
But we must ask, why not do uh why now do we see the level of dehumanization, false narratives, and calls for violence ramping up?
44:30
Well, here we go again.
44:31
I was mentioning money.
44:32
So it's not only George Soros, I mean he's the most the well-known, but there are a lot of billionaires that are giving money.
44:40
Because without money, without funding, if there were no money going to Iran or from Iran or funneled into Iran to go to ISIS, uh uh, well, ISIS, but more Hamas and uh Hezbollah and the Houthis, they wouldn't be in existence.
44:58
I would argue.
45:00
You're actually right.
45:01
But that you point out a very important point here.
45:04
So this is where if you take a look at the fraud the Trump administration is exposed.
45:09
Uh first, look at the non-governmental organizations which received hundreds of billions in dollars to spew anti-American stuff and promote anti-American stuff, including Hamas supporting Hamas, okay, in Gaza.
45:22
True.
45:22
Okay.
45:23
Then take a look at the Somalia situation, not only in Minnesota, but across the nation, okay, the fraud, the rampant fraud that's occurred.
45:31
Oh, it's and look at the shovel ready jobs under Obama.
45:35
Look at the uh inflation reduction act under O'Biden, where they spent two trillion dollars on their friends.
45:42
The money is powerful here, and and part of this whole thing has had cut does come back to money because these people want their free train rides back.
45:52
Yes.
45:52
How about funding funding campaigns?
45:55
Funding funding campaigns, right?
45:58
No, not just funding campaigns, but funding their friends who, yeah, then who will fund their campaigns, but funding their friends who will make hundreds of millions of dollars off this stuff.
46:06
Yeah.
46:07
I mean, how many solar panel companies started under Obama and Biden that it then folded because they didn't do crap?
46:13
Well, Ed, how about the about this?
46:16
Sorry, sorry, we're interrupting each other, but this the whole Somali issue.
46:20
Do you know there's there's many Americans, American citizens in in high places who are making a lot of money off of this too?
46:28
To your point, to your point.
46:31
The the Somali fraud, and and by the way, there's there's the fraud where we did a show on fraud, what a couple years a few years ago.
46:39
It's overwhelming.
46:40
But there are true blooded Americans who are involved in this, who who kind of go on the uh the shoulders of these fraudsters, the Somalis, they're just as bad, or they're enabling it for their own purpose.
46:57
But but these are Americans, and and some of them could be Republicans too.
47:02
I I I don't know that it matters, but they're uh yeah, a lot of them are not, many uh maybe the majority are not, but you have Republicans, you have all kinds of people who are evil.
47:13
Yes, but this is this is part of the aspect of cognitive warfare here.
47:18
It's not about the ideology, the religion, or the specific issues like transgenderism.
47:22
The end goal is power, absolute power.
47:25
Why?
47:25
It's the money.
47:26
Look at Venezuela.
47:27
Venezuela is a very profitable, uh, robust economic country.
47:32
Was right?
47:34
Okay, and then they get the likes of AOC, Mandami, and other stuff in the in the in the form of Duro, okay, and he shut all that down.
47:42
Why?
47:42
Because they now control the money, they control the benefits, just like China, communist China, just like the former Soviet Union, okay.
47:50
This is where they're going, people.
47:51
It's not about utopia for all, okay?
47:54
It's utopia for them and controlling the rest of you all.
47:58
By the way, where this war is got is so dangerous.
48:02
And these are not necessarily all intelligent people.
48:04
Some of them are very intelligent, but I I would say these um leftist heart, you know, progressive leftists in the house, like you say, Ocasio Cortez.
48:13
Well, she's a media figure.
48:14
She was given why she's good looking, she's pretty, um, she speaks well, but she's pretty stupid as far as I'm concerned.
48:22
Um stupid, meaning not very intelligent, not very thoughtful, put it that way.
48:27
Jasmine Crockett is another one.
48:29
And and Elon Omar is another one.
48:31
They're not very intelligent, I don't think.
48:34
Now, look at Henry Kissinger, look at uh the Secretary of State under Bush, uh Condoleezza Rice.
48:40
I mean, these are really states people, very, very, very intelligent.
48:45
But but they would not want to run for president.
48:49
They just wouldn't.
48:50
Maybe they're too smart for it.
48:51
They don't want to have that degree of powder.
48:53
I I'm on a tangent.
48:54
I'm on a tangent, I know that.
48:57
Well, what you're highlighting, though, is is they is the cloak, the cover they're using, okay.
49:02
So they use a young person like AOC or Mamdami who doesn't know crap, who's complete idiot.
49:07
Okay, or they use a more educated person who has as Joe Biden said, uh, you know, uh has an ability to Obama, okay?
49:17
So use those people to draw magnetism, but it cloaks like for Obama, they covered up all his insane radical left stuff.
49:25
They covered up his church and his radical left church, which is which is completely racist in terms of the ribbon right, what they were doing.
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Okay, they covered up the fact that he was dealing with these uh Bill Ayers, the former uh terrorists, okay, and other stuff.
49:40
And so they quote these things and make people feel good about it.
49:44
Remember uh the whole Obama thing was about uh hope, uh hope and and and stuff like that.
49:51
Yes, yes, yeah.
49:52
That that was their slogan.
49:53
Yes.
49:54
Yeah, and it resonated.
49:56
It it resonates, but it resonates with people because people want to feel good.
50:00
But people don't look at the reality.
50:02
And when that happens, that's why you lose it all.
50:04
Yeah.
50:05
Well, well, and this is another point that you wrote here in your book.
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You wrote Americans voted in the 2024 to end anarchy violence, murderous assaults, abuse of power, and rampant illegal invasion of our country.
50:19
The elected officials who lost that election were on the cusp of obtaining their ultimate goal, absolute power.
50:25
Meaning, well, God forbid Biden again, but uh Kamala Harris.
50:29
The loss was uh an unexpected shock.
50:31
So I I'm gonna say this that my thought is that a very high percentage of voters vote um both Democrat and Republican, but I think mainly Democrat vote for personality and are not very thoughtful of who they vote for.
50:49
So if you look at all the potential voters or people who did vote for Kamala Harris, and you talk to them, and they did.
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They said she makes me feel good.
50:59
She makes me feel well.
51:00
I I feel more relaxed when I when I hear her voice.
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Um not thinking at all.
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This is the psychology of the voters.
51:09
Uh not thinking at all what a complete and utter economic disaster, international disaster, you name it, would have would have happened.
51:20
And thank God, a whole string of events occurred, such as that bullet did not penetrate the skull of Donald Trump.
51:28
That's number one.
51:30
Number two, just enough people.
51:32
I I don't know if I would call it a landslide, but enough people voted for him and utterly and realized that Kamala Harris is a fake.
51:40
But she got many, many, many votes, as often happens in these elections, because individuals uh the they uh they felt good, right?
51:52
They were Nixon, Nixon Kennedy, there you go.
51:55
The first debate that they had in what was it, 1959 or 1960?
52:00
Kennedy presented himself as a very, very handsome man.
52:03
Um Nixon, on the other hand, didn't come across that well on television.
52:10
And so they voted for Kennedy.
52:12
Well, I think at that point in time it was a good vote, but nonetheless, that's what that's what people see.
52:19
They state they vote with their eyes.
52:23
Well, so what you're yeah, what you're highlighting though is something that's very tried and true throughout the decades for liberals versus conservatives.
52:31
Liberals then tend to be emotional and vote emotionally.
52:35
Conservatives tend to be logical and vote more logically, and it's shown throughout these different elections.
52:40
In the last election, people forget not only there's there's still massive fraud occurring, but the Biden administration had already enabled two plus million illegals to vote illegally.
52:53
Here I go again.
52:54
I'm laughing, but I'm crying.
52:56
Yes.
52:56
Yes, but remember now Trump only won by two million votes, okay.
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That election, that's why they were so shocked when he won.
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Because the get out the vote thing for the Republicans actually worked.
53:07
But just think if he had not won.
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Think of where we'd be right now.
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I don't want to.
53:12
Okay, not only no gas stoves, no gas lawnmower, but your energy prices would be worse than New Jersey and California's, okay?
53:20
The country should be going down a tank hole.
53:22
I think China be advancing extremely Russia would walk across Europe, okay.
53:29
And and and walk through the EU because they're completely in up.
53:33
And so, and our national debt would be skyrocketing off the sheets right now.
53:39
Inflation would be going Venezuelan way.
53:41
And so people forget you have to take a look at what was going to be sort of like the ghosts of Christmas past, future, and present, right?
53:51
Yeah, I mean, you're pretty history.
53:52
You're pretty his where the hardball comes in.
53:54
You're you're pretty historianic.
53:56
I mean, to some degree, I agree on it.
53:58
I agree, of course.
54:00
But I I don't know.
54:01
I mean, you would have a mass exodus to to Ireland, I guess.
54:05
I I would probably want to bring myself and my wife.
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No, Rosie O'Donnell went there.
54:09
No one's gonna want to go there.
54:10
She's not gonna stay there, by the way.
54:12
I I don't know.
54:13
So my insight, my insiders tell me that.
54:15
Okay, here you go.
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The support for Mondami, AOC, Waltz Warren, etc.
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is exemplary of the success of the radical left.
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The radical left is demonic, and we must not be afraid to state that this is a fact.
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And I hope you're also alluding to moderate democrats and conservative democrats as well.
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Their success is because the radical left does have a strategy, a plan is and is successful waging this war on multiple fronts, domestically and globally.
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Well, let me bring something in here, the youth, the youth vote.
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So Charles Krautheimer, bless his soul.
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I I I just really, really you remember him, Charles Krautheimer.
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Yeah, oh yeah.
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Oh, a wonderful person.
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He was a psychiatrist, and by the way, he did a lot of leading research on bipolar disorder.
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And but but then he went into uh studying I gathered the human mind and became a political commentator and writer.
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And I think was just on on target just most of the time there.
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So the youth vote, uh, they're very young people are very impressionable, very impressive.
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But if you look at these, uh some of them were hired, but Hamas uh demonstrations at Columbia and every many, many universities, and you had older people there too.
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Those were the people who were paid, but younger people, but students, um, they know not what they're doing or not what they're saying.
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And this is what he said.
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He says, look, give them some years, have them get married, have children, have a mortgage, see the realities of life, and and many of them will move to the right and move towards conservativism.
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And they're not gonna vote anymore.
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So they're immature, they're impressionable.
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And and that's that's a large voting block.
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I remember at my graduation, uh, undergraduate graduation, and she remembered Jean Kirkpatrick, she came, she was a professor in Georgetown, and and even and and there were a bunch of people around me, they were my friends, they had these black armband bands.
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And he said, I said, What what are you doing?
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And they said, I don't know, we're protesting.
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And I said, What are you protesting?
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Do you know what they said to me?
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They said, I don't know, we're just protesting.
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Here, you put one on.
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Yeah, I said, Well, I'm not gonna protest something, I don't know what I'm protesting about.
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So CBS News came up to them, and we're asking them, you know, what are you protesting?
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What are you protesting?
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They couldn't answer.
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And and then the the guy, I'll never forget the reporter came back.
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He said, you know, you did a shitty job of representing yourself.
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I'll never forget that.
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Yeah.
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Just so just the romanticism of protesting, the romanticism of belonging to the far left, without thinking about the implications.
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Well, well, so two quick points there.
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One is Question Churchill said, uh, if before you're 30, you don't vote liberal, you don't have a heart.
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After 30, if you don't vote conservative, you don't have a brain.
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Ed, thank you so much for sharing your valuable insights.
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Now, not only from an academic perspective, but your extensive uh on the ground uh with boots yourself, extensive experience.
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Well, Dr.
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