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12 - WWE WrestleMania 42 Special Bonus Episode · Singlets & Suplexes: A Pro Wrestling Podcast

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  Hello, welcome to Singlets and Suplexes, a pro wrestling
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  podcast. I am Pete.
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  And I'm Luke. Afternoon.
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  Afternoon indeed, and this is not your usual programming.
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  This is a very special WrestleMania 42 episode, so to
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  listeners who have been enjoying the show, we are not going to be
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  following our usual segments. That will be on Wednesday as
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  usual, so don't worry, you won't miss out.
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  But this is a bonus episode and it's all about WrestleMania 42.
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  Luke, have you watched WrestleMania 42?
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  I thought we were talking about George and Nella spring
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  breaking. That's the only reason I'm here.
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  But he did. He did get beat by a child.
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  I know, that's what I mean. And the Sandman wrestled an
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  Invisible Man with the help of Mick Foley.
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  That's all. That's why I thought were here.
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  But no, I'm, I'm being silly, I am.
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  I did watch both nights of WrestleMania too.
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  Will be mental if I hadn't enjoyed it.
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  It was good. Next.
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  Yes, WrestleMania 42 was of course this Saturday on Sunday
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  April 18th and April 19th obviously from Las Vegas, NV.
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  I believe it was the 3rd Wrestle Mania come from Las Vegas
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  because obviously last year's did Russell Mania 41 and then
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  our writing thinking sorted Wrestle Mania 9.
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  Yes, I think it did because it was a Caesar's Palace with.
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  Was that when GR was on a camel? No, Yeah.
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  Do you own a camel? I think so, something like that.
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  I remember something like that happening.
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  Yeah, Wasn't that when Hogan had the black guy?
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  Was that not that nice? I think it was.
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  Yeah classic because he had got into a ball fight, didn't he did
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  he get robbed was a bikers doesn't know Torgan we'll find
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  out on Wednesday I've. Heard it was bikers but it could
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  have changed stories maybe? Say that that new documentaries
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  out Wednesday, so we'll get an updated version then I'd imagine
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  because that's gotta be in it's four parts.
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  I'm excited. Yes, no, Very exciting.
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  And of course we did see some sneak peeks at Mania, which I'm
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  sure we will get into. But of course, we usually talk
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  about the past week in professional wrestling before
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  diving into sports entertainment nostalgia.
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  But as I said, this is a special bonus episode where we're just
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  going to be covering WrestleMania 42 and anything
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  else that is appropriate, I suppose.
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  I think before we dive into our thoughts on this, we had some
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  housekeeping questions from previous episodes, Luke, that
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  sort of tie at WrestleMania so that we could handle those
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  first. That's OK.
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  Yeah, definitely, definitely. So Lou commented on the last
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  episode on Spotify. So Lou was thinking ahead, did
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  WrestleMania live up to the hype you had built up for it?
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  And how long do you think until we get WrestleMania here in the
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  UK? So I think for me, the only
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  thing obviously we'll go into in detail but answer the question
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  quickly, I think the only match that fully lived up with the
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  hype for me was Punk Roman. But as a spectacle I think it
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  always lives up to the hype because I'm such a big fan and
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  like I just try and enjoy it for what it is.
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  WrestleMania in the Uki think in the next 5 years you know.
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  You know, I think I think the proved so obviously it was not
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  an earlier start time this year, I believe slightly because it
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  was like 11:00 PM start time here in the UK for both nights.
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  I think it was like a like a three PM start in Vegas and a
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  6:00 PM on the on the East Coast.
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  So the hub proven time frames that aren't really a problem
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  anymore. So, yes, would it be Romney
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  Stadium, you think? Yeah, I think so def.
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  We'll always do stadium shows, don't the and I think they do,
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  they always do well when they bring the pay per views over
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  here. And if like Right Affair London
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  got a WrestleMania, if we're going to assume it's in London,
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  then yeah, absolutely it'd be the stadium.
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  I think it'd be such a big deal for the UK, like all the money
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  it brings in, like you've already had, you know, the Mayor
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  of London Con, not Tony, kind of taught in a Triple H and he
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  seems keen to have it. So like if that got announced it
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  would be absolutely fucking massive.
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  Yeah, I think the the one stumbling block is that the UK
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  government's gonna have to sort of give them a lot of tax breaks
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  and make it really financially viable for WWE to come and bring
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  WrestleMania to the UK. Probably London, but I think
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  that can definitely be done and I think it'd be such, it'd be
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  such a huge thing here in the UK to have WrestleMania here.
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  And then also everything that comes with that, the Wrestle
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  Con, all the independent events, Jordan and our spring break,
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  where you can wrestle London children instead of wrestling
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  American children, I suppose. It was Brodie Lee's son, wasn't
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  it, that you wrestled? No, it's all joking aside, like
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  will reference it. So yeah.
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  So Brodie Lee's so -1 as he's not an AW, obviously loves
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  wrestling, wants to be a wrestler, has been trained to be
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  a wrestler. And Julie Janella puts on his
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  spring break every Mania. It ties in with GCWI believe.
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  And this year it was George Janella versus Brodie Lee
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  Junior. And I believe Brodie Lee got the
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  win. And you know, I just think,
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  like, take you half to George Janella.
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  Like this kid has lost his dad. He loves wrestling.
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  He's still ingrained in wrestling.
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  And yeah, otherwise I'm going to give him.
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  I'm going to give him a chance on the spotlight here and I'm
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  going to put him over and I'm going to work with him.
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  I think it just makes George Janella seem like a nice guy, I
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  think. No, 100% like I went to spring
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  breaking in New Orleans and like it was just fucking loads of
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  fun. And it's one of those ones where
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  if you read the results of spring breaking on paper, you
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  know it'll put Jim Corner in a grave.
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  And like, I think any serious wrestling final, just read it
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  and think, what the fuck is this shit?
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  And I get it. Like on paper it just looks
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  fucking stupid, like Sandman doing and wrestling Invisible
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  Man. But like it's one of those ones
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  where if you actually go to it like it is, it's just fun.
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  Like it's kind of everything that wrestling should be.
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  And it's always kind of tied into WrestleMania weekend.
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  So, you know, you still got your main course coming if you've got
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  a spring break and you're probably going to WrestleMania
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  as well. So yeah, it's one of those ones
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  where it's kind of has to be attended to be fully
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  appreciated. But now you're right, it's a
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  it's a nice thing because obviously the passing of his dad
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  was kind of massively unexpected and he was very, very young.
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  So it is cool that they've kind of given him the opportunity to
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  do that because like I say, it sounds like he did something he
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  wants to do. And I'm sure AW have kind of
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  provisionally offered him a contract having if that's the
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  way he wants to go. So he was off for that a while
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  back. So whether that's still a thing,
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  I don't know. With AWI suppose you're having
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  all these things. But George and all, he had given
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  them a chance. And I think, I think if you're
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  buying tickets and you're going to spring break, you know what
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  it is, You know what fun you're in for.
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  So therefore these things aren't going to get you down because
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  you're probably excited about them, which I think is really
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  good. And yeah, you know, he's still a
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  kid, he's still grown, but these experiences are going to
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  probably help him hopefully be a good wrestler once he does
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  become of age where he can go and be on the circuit properly.
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  So you know, again, hats off to George and I for facilitating
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  that and giving the kid some awesome experiences.
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  Definitely. We've had another question from
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  Leanne. So this was on 1/2 episodes ago,
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  just missed out on our last recordings.
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  We probably should have dealt with this on the last record,
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  but it came in after we recorded Luke.
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  So Leanne was saying I'm keen to see how WrestleMania pans out.
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  I think the build up has been scrappy and pretty poor compared
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  to previous years. I don't feel as hyped as I think
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  I should. Do you think WrestleMania has
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  become more about spectacle and storytelling and is that helping
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  or hurting WWE in the long run? That being said, this is the
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  second part of the question. If you could boot yourself in
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  any WrestleMania match in history, who are you facing and
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  how would you win? So the spectacle question, I
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  think, yeah, I think it does sell itself a lot now and how
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  big of a thing it is and how important the official tendency
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  like attendance is. And I think it is something that
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  some that can sometimes lose in the build up because it's just,
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  well, it's WrestleMania itself. But I thought the storytelling
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  was all right. Like I've said a few times that,
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  you know, I think there was too long between Elimination Chamber
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  and Mania. But overall, I thought the
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  storyline for the main, for the main, all the kind of matches we
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  got or had a good build, whatever.
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  I mean, what do you think? So I was quite hyped for the
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  build up. So I was enjoying it.
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  It's the first time I've already watched weekly every week for a
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  while now. So I was sort of falling along
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  and I was involved thanks to this podcast, obviously.
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  So I was quite hyped. I just realized I didn't really
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  answer Lou's question, but I'll answer it now.
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  So, you know, I feel night one, it was, it was good, but it
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  wasn't like excellent and I was quite hyped.
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  So in terms of hype, I was, I let down a bit by night one
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  because of the hype I built up for it.
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  It was still good, but it wasn't excellent, which is what I was
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  expecting. Then I thought night two really
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  did deliver and I don't have to because it was better or just
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  because I got used to how it was formatted in night 1.
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  So then it wasn't as strange in night 2.
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  Maybe. I don't know, that's something
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  to think about. But yeah, I think I was pretty
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  hyped for me and you. What was lots of cool things
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  going on which we'll get into. But obviously we had Lesnar in
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  Oba Femi, we obviously had Cody Rhodes storyline.
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  We had the same Punk storyline at the Finbar storyline.
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  A lot of match for the IC title was also like in advance.
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  The women's tag had a good build as well.
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  Like I think that's one of the positives I put on the kind of
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  on our Road to WrestleMania. I thought the women's tag match
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  was built really well with the four teams.
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  It was an insult and obviously about two women's world title
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  matches, which both a lot of scream time going to report.
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  You know, I feel that Stephanie Vacua and Liv Morgan had a
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  better build where I thought they were scrambling a bit with
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  the rear and the jade one. Yeah, like a few weeks.
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  So I definitely see why people would see as as scrappy.
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  I think spectacle, more on storytelling, I can sort of see
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  that point of view. WrestleMania, it's not a
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  pay-per-view, is it? WrestleMania is our festival of
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  wrestling, would you say? Yeah.
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  And I think it has to be a bit of a spectacle because it will
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  not be a lot of this, but I think you'll have a lot of
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  people who might have holidays around it where you might get
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  like, you know, one partner dragging the other one along.
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  So I think it's probably the best wrestling show.
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  It takes someone along who's not as big a fan because like I say,
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  they do try and make it like this huge spectacle, whether it
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  be kind of, you know, big fireworks, you know, interesting
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  outfits that the guys and girls are wearing, kind of celebrity
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  appearances. I do think it's out of all of
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  them, if you go and take a non wrestling fan it will be the one
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  that the may enjoy the most. Who would drag somebody long
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  who's not a wrestling fan? Well, we'll talk about my
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  divorce last week. That's why I couldn't resist.
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  You set you set me up there, you set me up.
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  I got you, I got you. You're absolutely right.
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  You know, the spectacle, there's other things going on.
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  It's like a wild ride. You know, I mentioned last week
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  I was not on Star Wars Celebration.
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  What that's like in again, like watching WrestleMania unfold.
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  The way they have these sort of these pre shows and poor saws
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  that are, you know, in and around the arena where fans can
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  get involved in that. But it's very festival esque,
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  which you know, that's what's going into.
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  That's what's evolved into. And does that mean it's not a
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  straightforward as a wrestling pay-per-view?
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  Quite possibly because it's evolved beyond that.
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  As for who would I book myself against and how would I win?
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  I would probably book myself against Shawn Michaels in a
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  WrestleMania match where the loser has to leave Earth and
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  then I will beat him with the Sharpshooter.
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  Well, I would boot myself against Brett Hart and win with
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  the sharpshooter, but Brett doesn't tap the ring the bell.
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  Instead, I do the new screw job. We'll have opposites.
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  That's. Not the new, this is just the
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  screwed up rehashed. No, would be the new one.
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  I don't know. I was I was just saying well,
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  we'll talk about Sean and Brett a bit more.
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  That's Wednesday, I think. But no, being realistic.
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  Oh, I think I would just like to be the Money in the Bank.
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  I don't much me bring that back to WrestleMania, win Money in
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  the Bank and I've got me next year set up.
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  I've said I've always wanted someone to hold it for the
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  years. Well when they used to do it,
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  that's what I would do. I'd win Money in the Bank holder
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  for the year, main event the year after.
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  Do you fail booting something against Hogan where I would
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  destroy Hogan, fight 20 minutes straight, but then he would Hulk
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  up, come back, three right hands, frozes against ropes, big
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  boot gives us three leg drops because I'm not good, and he
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  pins his one 2-3 and then Hulkamania lives forever.
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  But I get beat. Yeah, it's absolutely bad.
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  I think no offense at all except the boot and the leg drop at the
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  end. So he needs 3 right hands, Irish
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  ripping in the ropes, big boot and then three leg drops bun go
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  home. No.
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  Fair enough. That's the end for a mini
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  housekeeping on this WrestleMania 42 special episode.
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  We'll call it a deep dive and let's just dive in tonight.
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  One, I suppose both nights were horsed by John Cena.
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  Obviously we mentioned we wanted to see him in a suit.
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  Probably not the jorts because he has retired recently and if
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  he came out as the John Cena we seen wrestling, would that be a
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  bit of a going back on his word, I suppose.
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  What was your thoughts on John Cena hosting a WrestleMania?
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  Yeah, I thought that the first. Well, yeah, I thought that he
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  didn't necessarily add anything to it.
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  I think it was definitely probably done as a favour to
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  maybe boost those ticket sales. But like you say, it was good to
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  see him. Glad I didn't wear the shorts
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  and the T-shirts. And he had his best moment on
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  Night 2, which we'll dive into in a bit detail.
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  But on the whole, yeah, he was fine.
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  Do you know what I mean, though? Was like, I have someone to
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  announce the attendance and yeah, it was good.
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  Nice to see him. He's looking good.
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  Well. Certainly was.
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  I I think if you're going to have somebody out there doing
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  that, like let's use extra wrestlers and if we can get the
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  bigger name ones, then fantastic.
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  Because laws and attendance are going to pop for them and, you
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  know, they get to see people who they can't see anymore, which
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  makes it extra special. So yeah, I thought you did a
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  good job. Especially because his
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  announcement for it looked like it was like it was on set of a
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  new film where like it had just been agreed that day as if like
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  Triple H attacks. I'm going like, please, mate,
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  will you do this? And he was like, yeah, fine,
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  right, Pass me phone, right? I'm the host or I do what?
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  I mean. It was just it kind of came out
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  of nowhere. And the announcement video was
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  just filmed on his phone. So yeah, I think it was
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  definitely maybe he's a bit of a last minute panic perhaps.
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  But it's John Cena, so it's always great to see him.
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  It is indeed always great to see him.
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  I think that's just dive into the first match.
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  So I was surprised by what the first match was when I was
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  watching live. But the first match was of
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  course the six man tag where we had the Usos and LA Knight
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  versus the Vision and I show speed.
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  Were you surprised that this was the opener?
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  So I was and I wasn't, because did you know that fighting for
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  both nights, the first hour was free on ESPN?
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  I didn't know that now you've so maybe makes sense.
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  I have a superstar like I show speed maybe on there.
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  And Logan Paul, yeah. So I think it's like if you're
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  going to have these kind of select and obviously Logan
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  Paul's, they've more like he's been there most full time for
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  about this past six months. But when you go down, people
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  like Logan Paul, I show speed. The whole point of those is they
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  get extra eyeballs on the product.
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  I think putting them on the free part, the short does make sense.
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  And on paper, I thought it could be a really good opening match.
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  So it did because obviously they announced them all in advance,
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  didn't the kind of the lineups, But yeah, it was.
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  I mean, what were your thoughts on the match itself?
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  So the match was 7 minutes long, obviously a six man tag match.
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  I thought the match was pretty basic, like you know, everybody
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  managed to get their bit in. I thought I show speed did well
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  when you sort of telling the story that you could you'd learn
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  basic wrestling halls with an early night was getting the
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  better of them because it's been like when you need a follow up.
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  But then obviously we had the storytelling where in the build
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  up this match, obviously Eyeshore Speed hasn't really
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  wanted to be involved and it was all accidents because he got
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  cursed. Obviously by done I was now we
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  see inadvertently costs the vision the match and you know, I
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  thought was going to give Eyeshore Speed his big moment.
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  I thought he looked jacked and looked great.
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  He was in great shape. I loved his big Eyeshore Speed
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  dive off the top through the announce table.
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  Built the one moment and that was it if that makes sense.
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  Yeah, and it was kind of after the fact as well.
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  Dude. That's what I thought was
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  strange, right? Because I thought the match like
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  was actually pretty well. It wasn't great, to be honest.
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  I say obviously I like the stuff with actual speed, trying the
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  holes, especially when he has Elliot Knight in the headlight
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  and Elliot Knight just picks up like, what the fuck you doing,
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  mate? Like I thought that was good,
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  but I thought not a lot happened in the match.
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  Like you say, it was all about that finish and the finish being
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  that like, he essentially kind of turns on the vision because
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  Logan Paul beat him down. It was just a bit like this is
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  what you need for your opening match.
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  So it wasn't. Yeah, I just thought it was a
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  bit of a poor opener, to be honest, when all it seemed to
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  build the walls, like you say, it was the I Show speed jump,
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  which obviously wasn't impressive.
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  And it'll get the millions upon millions of viral views from the
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  people who like I Show Speed. But as a WrestleMania opening
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  match, I thought was quite disappointing because I think
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  there's been quite a strong few years of really strong opening
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  matches. I kind of set the tone for the
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  show and this one didn't. Agreed, and I think you know in
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  tag matters all the time we see the Max is only push their
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  opponent into their partner like it happens often.
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  So like the fact that Austin theory look was so butt hurt by
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  that. I just seemed a bit out of
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  character like they were wanting to turn them.
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  That makes sense. And then at the end, obviously
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  we see that you saw was an early night.
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  Just come full certain what's OK shows we will be will be your
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  friend now and help you get revenge.
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  It was all very fast and quick if I made sense.
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  Yeah, and I thought at the very start, the match I show Speed
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  was there cosplaying at Dan Housing.
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  He had the Cape and he had the red and black on.
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  Thought that was a confusing look.
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  He did indeed. The next match was 14 minutes.
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  This is what should have opened. This should have opened.
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  Well this match should have opened but this match was a let
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  down from me. The unsanctioned match between
• 17:19
  Jacob Fatu and Drew McIntyre. I'll see Jacob wins by a pinfall
• 17:23
  14 minutes. What was your thoughts on the
• 17:26
  unsanctioned match? Yeah, I thought it was fine.
• 17:28
  I thought this had one of the the stronger bills.
• 17:30
  I thought like both of them had kind of mesh really well
• 17:32
  together and yet quite a bit of long term storytelling which
• 17:35
  we've kind of covered with obviously Jacob helping Drew in
• 17:38
  the title by accident and cost him in it on purpose and kind of
• 17:41
  alluded to that it was Drew that took Jacob out.
• 17:45
  So I thought the build was one of the stronger of all the
• 17:47
  matches on the card and I thought it was good.
• 17:48
  I thought it could have been the opening match.
• 17:50
  Like I quite liked Jacob getting the toolbox out and Drew having
• 17:53
  a bit of PTSD from his cell match with Punk.
• 17:57
  I thought that was a nice little bit of storytelling.
• 18:00
  Jacob like a star when he come out with his kind of flame
• 18:02
  through with his flame pants on and he'd look good on Smackdown
• 18:06
  standing on top of the police car.
• 18:07
  And I think it kind of did the job where, you know, Drew takes
• 18:10
  the loss and he still looked fairly strong in it because it
• 18:13
  was a bit in the match where Jacob hits the moonsault and
• 18:16
  Drew kicked out and where Barry said apparently he was the first
• 18:19
  person to kick out with that moonsault.
• 18:21
  So, you know, he did get that bit of offense in.
• 18:23
  And you had Drew's little call back to being bored at work,
• 18:26
  didn't you, when he got his brother's phone again?
• 18:28
  So there was it was fun again. Could it have been better?
• 18:30
  Definitely. But I thought there was enough
• 18:32
  in it where I thought was a good match.
• 18:34
  So here's my thoughts. So the match itself, I don't
• 18:37
  have a problem with the fact this was might be unsanctioned
• 18:40
  like two men wanting to destroy each other.
• 18:42
  And I thought they just had like a basic hardcore match rather
• 18:45
  than like an unsanctioned match. You know, I think the build was
• 18:48
  fantastic going in. I was very excited for as much.
• 18:50
  The build was perfect. This was cooking on all
• 18:52
  cylinders. Both not $1,000,000 when they
• 18:55
  come out. You're right.
• 18:56
  There was things that were really cool.
• 18:57
  The 2 box. I absolutely agree with you like
• 18:59
  that P that PDSD in McIntire when it came when it came out,
• 19:03
  but I just thought that they didn't really do much to be like
• 19:07
  this is unsanctioned. The referee is only here to
• 19:11
  literally do the pinfall or the OR the submission.
• 19:14
  I thought it could have had maybe parts where to build in
• 19:16
  the on the unsanctionedness of it maybe have driven a hold or
• 19:20
  Jacob in a hold one them grabs the ropes counts the five
• 19:23
  they're not breaking the hold company could have painted the
• 19:25
  story medical who went or they're not here.
• 19:27
  It doesn't have to release the hold like they could have made
• 19:30
  it seem really vicious. If you go back to unsanctioned,
• 19:32
  we've talked about off air, right, Sure.
• 19:33
  Michael's unsanctioned some Islam that's unsanctioned. 2 men
• 19:38
  destroying each other, right? Yeah.
• 19:40
  And that kind of had a better build for it being unsanctioned
• 19:42
  because Sean wasn't technically medically cleared was the key
• 19:45
  Fable eyes. So that kind of made more sense.
• 19:48
  And I think an unsanctioned Max, a hard one to do in WWE because
• 19:51
  they're never going to push it. As far as AWI know.
• 19:54
  We've said we don't like needles in the cheek, but you know what
• 19:56
  I mean? Like AW when if AW did an
• 19:58
  unsanctioned match, you'd probably get more out of it.
• 20:01
  Whereas obviously WWE still has that kind of family market in
• 20:04
  mind. So yeah, I think they need to
• 20:06
  stop doing them, really don't the because I think we've talked
• 20:09
  about hype and I think an unsanctioned match in WWE is
• 20:12
  always going to struggle to live up with the hype of how violent
• 20:15
  it technically should be if this is what it's coming to.
• 20:18
  Maybe, but what I would say is that like I thought Cody Norton
• 20:21
  was more violent than this and I thought Pumpkin Rains is more
• 20:23
  violent than this. So I was on the same show.
• 20:26
  Like much as that weren't unsanctioned, in my opinion were
• 20:29
  more violent. And this one, yeah, this one had
• 20:31
  more props involved, you know, more chairs, more sticks, more
• 20:34
  tables, all that types of put in the 2 box had more things
• 20:37
  involved. But the actual how they were
• 20:38
  used I thought could have been used better to make it more feel
• 20:41
  like it was unsanctioned where I said there's other matches on
• 20:43
  this car that felt more violent in my opinion but there should
• 20:47
  have been more if that makes sense.
• 20:49
  No, I agree with you. Like I say, that's probably it's
• 20:52
  been more down, hasn't it? Because like I say, I mean
• 20:54
  you've had street fights, you've had matches that were given kind
• 20:56
  of lenience and yeah, there was more brutal matches on the card.
• 20:59
  So it kind of upon reflection, yeah.
• 21:01
  Was it down even more? I do agree with that.
• 21:03
  But yeah, I just think they're a hard match to live up to.
• 21:06
  They certainly are. Yeah, it reminds us of like when
• 21:09
  they had Lesnar and Dean Ambrose and I think Dean Ambrose was
• 21:13
  pitching like using chainsaws and stuff and brought Les.
• 21:15
  I was like fuck off. Now I do what I mean.
• 21:17
  So it's like, you know, how far can you take it?
• 21:21
  No, indeed, but I think it's how you use things that you go out
• 21:24
  the toolbox, like the way Pumpkin Jew used that one
• 21:26
  toolbox was more vicious than anything we've seen in a death
• 21:29
  match in AW Do. I mean, so it's how you use it
• 21:32
  and I just feel that they could have used some things better in
• 21:35
  this match, is what I thought. Like to tell the official side
• 21:37
  of the story without actually draining too crazy.
• 21:41
  Yeah, I think a cage match might have fitted these two better to
• 21:44
  kind of keep it locked in and use the use the kind of
• 21:46
  structure of the cage instead. But yeah, I say it was good.
• 21:49
  That's it. Definitely should be in the
• 21:50
  opener. I would have like the last man
• 21:53
  sound much? Yeah, yeah, just something like
• 21:55
  that because like I say, I think on sanctions too varied.
• 21:58
  I remember because it was Orlando, the Triple H Rollins
• 22:01
  one, and that was quite similar as well.
• 22:03
  It was like maybe this kind of end of a blood feud.
• 22:05
  And again, nothing really happened that wouldn't happen in
• 22:08
  a hardcore match, Street fight, anything like that.
• 22:11
  The next match was the Fatal four Way Tag Team match for the
• 22:14
  WWE Women's Tag Team Championships.
• 22:18
  This was 8 minutes and 33 seconds long.
• 22:20
  We had the team in the Bellas versus the Irresistible Forces
• 22:23
  versus Charlotte and Alexa versus Bailey and Lyra Valkyria.
• 22:28
  But of course, Nikki Bella was not cleared and we did get Paige
• 22:31
  making her return to WWEI had seen this on the net, like being
• 22:38
  not a leak, but I suppose dirt sheets being dirt cheating.
• 22:40
  So I didn't know if I believed it or not.
• 22:41
  But you know, I didn't know Nikki Bell.
• 22:43
  I was hurt. So I was, you know, when she
• 22:46
  came up with the crutch, I was like, OK, it's probably Paige.
• 22:48
  And then it was Paige. I still popped for it.
• 22:50
  But if I hadn't read it online that it was a possibility, I
• 22:53
  would have popped more. What was your thoughts on the
• 22:56
  page storyline? No, I thought it was a good pop
• 22:59
  because that's similar similar you exactly the same as you.
• 23:02
  I'd seen that the more or less definitely we signed up before
• 23:05
  WrestleMania, but I thought that would have been the Raw after
• 23:08
  Mania job. So when she got brought out, I
• 23:12
  kind of was surprised by that and all that kind of there's a
• 23:14
  little bit of a history with her, her and the Bellas.
• 23:16
  So no, it was a bit of a surprise for me because I was up
• 23:19
  with Blake as well. So I was kind of still kind of
• 23:21
  one eye on the baby. So because I kind of she only
• 23:24
  just kind of caught up with the kind of replacement angle when
• 23:26
  her music hit, I was often get in.
• 23:28
  It was good to see her. You know, she's had troubles.
• 23:30
  I wasn't sure, you know, with one thing or another.
• 23:33
  And her and her brother have set up a really cool sobriety page
• 23:36
  actually, because her and her brother got more or less sober
• 23:38
  together. So it's good to see her back
• 23:40
  healthy. And I thought she looked great.
• 23:42
  Yeah, I thought she looked fantastic.
• 23:44
  I thought her in ring work. I hope the teas are getting
• 23:46
  involved. There's one thing I thought Brie
• 23:48
  was actually not targeting her on purpose.
• 23:49
  I don't know if you pick up on that.
• 23:51
  No, I didn't. I didn't.
• 23:54
  So yeah, I just thought it was the first two times where she
• 23:56
  went to go and get out, looked like she went to miss out on
• 23:59
  Like what it didn't seem like I don't just seem to maybe the
• 24:01
  timing was off. That's what it was probably.
• 24:03
  But you know, I thought once Paige got in there as well, she
• 24:05
  didn't miss a beat. All of our moves look crisp.
• 24:07
  Our ring work looked great. So she looked great.
• 24:10
  Our ring work was great. Our moves look crisp.
• 24:12
  And if she has resigned and let's get our wrestling because
• 24:14
  if you can go, let's let's use actually it's going to set this
• 24:17
  division alight. No, definitely this was that for
• 24:21
  the the women's tag team. That match was one of my
• 24:23
  favorite matches of the whole weekend actually.
• 24:25
  You know, I thought was really fast moving.
• 24:27
  Like I say, I thought the the builder being good.
• 24:29
  And then you had the really feel good ending of kind of Paige
• 24:32
  getting that moment and you saw how much it meant to and when
• 24:34
  she 1st come out was obviously a pop.
• 24:36
  But I think when she does finally get tagged in like you
• 24:38
  were kind of talking about there, I thought the pop was
• 24:40
  bigger again. So I thought this match was like
• 24:43
  probably one of the best matches.
• 24:44
  Definitely on night one. I really enjoyed, actually
• 24:47
  enjoyed Naya and Last Legend coming out with the little
• 24:49
  demolition tribute. That was fun.
• 24:51
  So yeah, I thought everyone and it worked really hard and it was
• 24:53
  good, probably a lot better than some people might have been
• 24:56
  expecting it to be. Yeah, I think so.
• 24:59
  With the 8 minutes clocked in, I think they got everything need
• 25:01
  to get in in. And you know, I think again,
• 25:04
  pages back Paige and Bree won. So Bree got a wrestle me a
• 25:07
  moment pages back in Page looked 1,000,000 bucks, which is
• 25:10
  fantastic. And does this lead to when Nikki
• 25:12
  Bella, he'll turn down the lineman?
• 25:14
  She can't cope with the fact that Bree has Paige and that she
• 25:18
  was robbed of our Wrestle Mania moment.
• 25:20
  I think it might. I could see them dropping the
• 25:22
  bells tonight. Me, I think it might have just
• 25:24
  been for that pop because obviously it's been done last
• 25:26
  minute, hasn't it? And I think you get more money
• 25:29
  out of page as a solo act. So I think it might be a one and
• 25:33
  done me. That's one of my little
• 25:34
  predictions for her tonight, that they dropped them both
• 25:36
  straight away somehow. Well, we'll find out on
• 25:39
  Wednesday whether it's true or not from me a re reconvene for
• 25:42
  our usual programming the next match was.
• 25:47
  Again, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait before we go to the
• 25:50
  next match. I can't believe you're moving on
• 25:51
  because after this match he was in the crowd.
• 25:55
  I don't know who was in the crowd.
• 25:57
  Was the Mandalorian and Gorgu. Oh, was indeed.
• 25:59
  Yes, Mango and Krogu were in the crowd.
• 26:01
  Yeah, nice. Did you enjoy that bit of
• 26:03
  promotion there? They're watching the match I.
• 26:05
  Did, because obviously Mandalorian and Grogu, the next
• 26:08
  Star Wars movie, comes out on May 22nd.
• 26:10
  The promotions sort of heat up for that, which is really cool.
• 26:14
  Obviously, Star Wars back in theater for the first time since
• 26:16
  2019. They need bums on seats.
• 26:18
  So it's good to see them going out with their comfort zone that
• 26:20
  haven't really marked things like this before.
• 26:22
  But why not, you know, WrestleMania, all the eyes are
• 26:24
  on it. Mandel, Google look really cool.
• 26:26
  So not only do we get them in the front row doing a bit of
• 26:29
  mingling, but we also got a new trailer I believe.
• 26:32
  Yeah, and it did well for me because obviously, you know,
• 26:34
  you're the, you're the huge Star Wars fan.
• 26:36
  You've got your Star Wars podcast.
• 26:37
  Everyone should check that out. But I didn't even realize it was
• 26:40
  out like in a couple of weeks. So it was good for me as the
• 26:42
  casual fan because I was like, oh, brilliant.
• 26:44
  I'll definitely go more shot in a couple of weeks.
• 26:46
  So now XI thought was a it was quick, wasn't it?
• 26:48
  Saw them in the crowd. He has the trailer.
• 26:50
  Move on. Was indeed.
• 26:51
  So Cinemacom was this weekend as well, so they've had some stuff
• 26:55
  there as well. So mean you want to see Mando
• 26:57
  and go go, correct? Yeah, definitely.
• 26:59
  Yeah, I say. I went and saw Mario Galaxy
• 27:01
  because obviously haven't a young baby.
• 27:03
  I don't go to the cinema as much as I want.
• 27:05
  But yeah, I'll definitely make a point to say in that the cinema,
• 27:07
  that's that's how those films should be viewed.
• 27:09
  Good on me and you, a big bag of blue dolphins, and we'll have a
• 27:12
  great time. Exactly.
• 27:13
  They're sweets, they're not drugs.
• 27:15
  Yes, they're big giant sweets. Don't worry everybody full of E
• 27:17
  numbers, but not E tablets, just E numbers.
• 27:22
  The next match, 8 minutes, 15, it's the women again.
• 27:24
  It's a singles match for the WWE Women's Intercontinental
• 27:27
  Championship. It's Becky Lynch versus AG Lee.
• 27:30
  Becky Lynch pins AJ Lee and becomes the new internal
• 27:33
  champion. The build for this match go back
• 27:36
  what Leon said. I suppose my question there had
• 27:38
  been a bit hit and miss, something in a bit shaky, but I
• 27:40
  thought this match was really good.
• 27:41
  It really delivered in those eight minutes.
• 27:43
  No, it did, yeah. Because this was another one
• 27:45
  where I wasn't that bothered about, except for about at the
• 27:47
  time that I was surprised we got it, Elimination Chamber.
• 27:51
  And then like another 6-7 weeks of build.
• 27:53
  I felt like it. It kind of passed the point
• 27:55
  where I was massively interested in it, but I thought it was a
• 27:57
  lot more kind of, yeah, Smash Mouth wasn't in the first
• 28:01
  encounter. And it was kind of good to see
• 28:03
  AJ Lee kind of being able to do that as well.
• 28:06
  And I think is she going to be around all the time?
• 28:09
  Probably not. So obviously putting it back on
• 28:11
  Bet. You make sense.
• 28:12
  Nice opening, getting our music played live as well by the
• 28:14
  Wonder Years. I do like that theme song.
• 28:16
  And it's nice when people haven't just got like these
• 28:18
  generic ones that you get these days.
• 28:20
  So no, I thought was a good match, better than I was
• 28:22
  expecting it to be. Enjoyed it a lot more than I was
• 28:24
  expecting. Did you think the Wonder Years
• 28:27
  were maiming the lyrics? Oh again, I was watching whilst
• 28:33
  watching a baby at this point so I'll be honest, I wasn't paying
• 28:36
  close attention to lip syncing. Is that?
• 28:38
  Is that the rumor online? Is it?
• 28:39
  I thought when I first started and since then Internet is
• 28:44
  seeing it a little bit, so could be wrong, could be true, don't
• 28:46
  know. I suppose give it a rewatch when
• 28:48
  you get chance and we can shoot lyrical about that.
• 28:51
  Yes, I think AJ, he's obviously beat Becky then just three times
• 28:54
  in a row, including war games, matches and things, which has
• 28:58
  made our top, I think to the is it the Black Widow?
• 29:01
  Yeah. Yeah, the Black Widow, Yeah.
• 29:04
  So I thought it's probably about time back then just gets a win
• 29:06
  back here at least, especially if AJ is obviously going to be
• 29:09
  going off doing other things. So yeah, it made sense.
• 29:11
  I love the storyline with the referee.
• 29:14
  Obviously the way Becky pulls a ref in and then the ref doesn't
• 29:17
  see Becky hit AJ into that well, the the expose terminal, you
• 29:25
  know, it made sorting sense. I've got thoughts.
• 29:28
  I had a feeling in the match that maybe the referee was going
• 29:30
  to turn and I won't know what's going to happen long term.
• 29:33
  Do we see this referee become a wrestler and work for Back
• 29:36
  Lynch? Well, yeah, I was going to say,
• 29:38
  I thought even that was quite nice storytelling because
• 29:40
  obviously kind of, and Becky's like mad rants leading up to it.
• 29:43
  She's kind of said that is Jessica Carr, isn't it?
• 29:45
  That's just corrupt. So I quite liked how the kind of
• 29:48
  had that little bit interaction. I think it was the right amount
• 29:51
  of interaction referee should have.
• 29:53
  So I enjoyed it. I thought it added to it and it
• 29:55
  kind of helped build up to the distraction that allowed AJ to
• 29:58
  finally get kind of hit into the turnbuckle.
• 30:00
  So it was good. But yeah, a corrupt ref angle.
• 30:02
  It's a hard one to do, isn't it, where it works well more than
• 30:05
  once. So potentially, potentially,
• 30:08
  you'll be interesting to see who Becky's next challenger is.
• 30:11
  I think it could be someone from an XT, but it could be home
• 30:14
  page. That's what I'd like to see.
• 30:17
  Obviously as we record this tonight, it is Monday afternoon,
• 30:19
  so Monday Night Raw usually do see some call UPS from an XT so
• 30:23
  we have to see. But yes, Page is now back as
• 30:24
  well, so there could be some delicious matches coming our
• 30:28
  way. The next match we're going to go
• 30:31
  a bit longer, 17 minutes and 52 seconds.
• 30:34
  It is, of course, to the singles match between Gunther and the
• 30:36
  Ring General and Seth Rollins. Obviously a bit of a only a
• 30:40
  couple of weeks build for this one, but it was an exciting
• 30:42
  build, I thought and sort of I was salving at the chance of
• 30:45
  seeing Gunther and Seth in there together.
• 30:48
  Take us through your thoughts. Luke was the best.
• 30:50
  Wrestling match of night one. I thought like as as we probably
• 30:53
  knew it was going to be like that's what I've always said
• 30:55
  that with Rollins, you know, the in work in ring works, never the
• 30:58
  problem. Rollins coming out kind of sums
• 31:00
  up why I've never been fully sold on him.
• 31:02
  Like when he come out with a nose WrestleMania and you dress
• 31:05
  up right, but he comes out and he's got the contact lenses in.
• 31:08
  It makes no sense for him as a character.
• 31:10
  And you've got Michael Cole going.
• 31:11
  He looks like a villain from Game of Thrones, as if he's like
• 31:14
  his dad describing him as a party.
• 31:16
  Like, look, there he is. He's dressed up as a villain
• 31:18
  from Game of Thrones today. Why dinner?
• 31:21
  Like, I don't know. Do you?
• 31:21
  Do you want me? Like, what did you think of his
• 31:23
  look like? I just thought the match was
• 31:25
  quite quickly thrown together. Anyways, he's going to be on
• 31:27
  this vendetta against Paul him. And then he comes out, like,
• 31:30
  with the contacts, and he's like, yeah, like, I just don't
• 31:33
  think he understands fully what his character is.
• 31:35
  Do you mean Game of Thrones has finished Right?
• 31:37
  So was aged contacts might all call the Mick, but also I think
• 31:41
  yes, like the jacket that was smoking for the contacts that
• 31:43
  look cool. I get that, but also it was
• 31:47
  almost brewed esque, but like a modern version of the brood.
• 31:49
  But yes, like you're not here to be.
• 31:52
  I mean the normal Seth Rollins character like likes to look a
• 31:55
  spectacle and dress up and look cool or quirky, but he was here
• 31:59
  to take on gunthat to try and get a poor him.
• 32:01
  And you're absolutely right. And that wasn't really coming
• 32:04
  across in the introductions. I had somebody.
• 32:07
  To tell me that they thought. That because I wasn't.
• 32:09
  What's going on with? These eyes, yeah.
• 32:11
  But then if she took the contacts out or, or was it AI
• 32:13
  over the over the live footage or did you see remove them?
• 32:17
  I did. I didn't see them.
• 32:19
  Remove them and it could have been AI, but yeah, I just I just
• 32:21
  found I just find them confusing sometimes and it hasn't helped
• 32:25
  that this match is just kind of had to be thrown together.
• 32:28
  Like I say, I thought they did the best they could on the go
• 32:30
  home raw. Just saying that essentially,
• 32:32
  like I think you're a coward and he pissed us off.
• 32:35
  Like I said, I'm the best wrestler in the world and like
• 32:36
  the actual match was was great. I thought more than enough done.
• 32:41
  And then the end, obviously Gunther wins after on Breaker
• 32:44
  comes out, takes Rollins out. So I'm just like, why didn't you
• 32:47
  just hold off and do Rollins versus Breaker at WrestleMania?
• 32:52
  Yeah. So when he came out, I was a bit
• 32:54
  like, I was surprised at first when I was like, well of course
• 32:58
  and obviously looked great. The way he nailed them on the
• 33:01
  outside was fantastic. Then I thought that second one,
• 33:04
  he will do it on the rum and nails and where he now he misses
• 33:06
  him. You've got to get that right to
• 33:07
  WrestleMania, right? Yeah, He folks that up, doesn't
• 33:10
  he like. Kind of goes.
• 33:10
  And I felt really bad because I say I was like, fuck, say that's
• 33:13
  a long run of that. But yeah.
• 33:15
  But again, obviously. And then at least, you know,
• 33:17
  it's coming out of me and yeah, you know, you've got them too
• 33:18
  now. So you'll get that much of
• 33:20
  backlash. But yeah, I don't know what
• 33:22
  route you like. Yeah, I just, I just don't get
• 33:24
  what Seth Rollins is meant to be doing.
• 33:28
  I mean, this whole vision thing has come.
• 33:29
  About now she got hurt. So I think I need to wrap this
• 33:32
  up soon, like wrap up whatever he's got going on with the
• 33:35
  vision, right with this Paul Heyman angle, and then move him
• 33:37
  on to whatever that is. Is it Roman Reigns?
• 33:39
  Who is it? Let's let's find out.
• 33:41
  Well, yeah, that's apparently what the main event.
• 33:42
  Was meant to be, wasn't it? I was.
• 33:44
  I can't remember who said it, but there might have been Paul
• 33:46
  Heyman. But I think Paul Heyman had kind
• 33:48
  of done stuff this weekend where I think originally kind of the
• 33:51
  penciled in main events was a Punk breaker and Rollins Reigns
• 33:56
  for the different titles. So yeah, obviously that injury
• 34:00
  has thrown a lot of things in a different direction.
• 34:03
  It certainly. Has and obviously gun that picks
• 34:07
  up the win via technical submission it keeps.
• 34:11
  Going that strong, where does he?
• 34:12
  Go next, Ray Mysterio. Maybes.
• 34:15
  Like he's meant to, I think, Oh God, I could see him in Roman,
• 34:20
  you know, as Romans. Like I know of it, Greg, I I
• 34:23
  think it might be him in Roman, like Romans first challenger,
• 34:26
  because Roman obviously will get to him, but he's kind of said
• 34:29
  he's back full time, hasn't he? So I wouldn't be surprised if we
• 34:32
  got. Gunther versus Reigns A.
• 34:36
  Backlash. Well, certainly again at some.
• 34:39
  Time could it be? Then it could quite possibly be.
• 34:42
  Moving on from that, we have a singles match for the Women's
• 34:44
  World Championship. This came in at 6 minutes 51 and
• 34:47
  it was of course Liv Morgan who defeated Stephanie Vacua via
• 34:51
  pinfall. Luke was a trouble.
• 34:53
  Trouble for you? Yeah, I didn't.
• 34:56
  Enjoy it as much as I want to do because I thought Stephanie
• 34:59
  Mccurry in particular needed like a longer match.
• 35:02
  Like I thought I really wanted these two to be given a bit of
• 35:04
  time. And like you've said, what was a
• 35:06
  six minutes? And within that 6 minutes he had
• 35:08
  kind of judgment day hijinks, which leads to live winning.
• 35:12
  And I wasn't kind of sold on Liv's music video entrance
• 35:16
  either because I get that she's got the single out and that's
• 35:19
  pretty cool, but I just thought it's a woman's title match.
• 35:22
  Like I just are you, are you here to promote a single?
• 35:25
  Are you here to win the title? And I know she did do that, but
• 35:28
  I just, it felt a bit out of place.
• 35:31
  Yeah, well, she was here. I do both basically.
• 35:33
  But yes, and I think Biscay Stephanie for quite lost because
• 35:37
  she's got no friends as how it felt to me.
• 35:39
  Yeah. And you know, does she?
• 35:41
  Then get back up for kind of what comes next.
• 35:44
  And yeah, I think it could be one way.
• 35:46
  If they do a draft soon, she would definitely kind of benefit
• 35:49
  from a move to a different brand or some fresh people to work
• 35:51
  with because like I say, kind of their build was just a bit flat
• 35:55
  as well leading up to I think it started quite strong.
• 35:58
  But then, yeah, I just wanted longer match out of them.
• 36:00
  I didn't get it. I mean, did you enjoy it?
• 36:04
  I feel like I was just starting. To get into it and then it like
• 36:07
  then judge your day come down that was over yeah yeah, fair
• 36:09
  enough yeah I. Thought you're starting?
• 36:12
  Like to take over nicely. And then it was like over, yeah,
• 36:17
  I think. I think that's the, I think
• 36:18
  that's. The thing that stopped us from
• 36:19
  enjoying it more just needed maybe like an extra 510 minutes,
• 36:23
  let's say 6 minutes, a 15 minute match.
• 36:25
  Would it give them both enough more time to build a bit more
• 36:27
  jeopardy? And then it was pretty pinned by
• 36:29
  numbers. Judgment Day got involved.
• 36:31
  Cost of the title. It felt a bit like, yeah, it
• 36:33
  felt a type of like title change you might see on a lesser
• 36:36
  pay-per-view or or Smackdown. Not WrestleMania.
• 36:40
  Definitely and we're getting it. But.
• 36:41
  Like I said, WrestleMania Night 1, I did feel a bit as I thought
• 36:45
  was good, but I was so hyped for it because the builds were quite
• 36:47
  good. I was expecting like excellent,
• 36:49
  but I got good. So it was a let down in that
• 36:50
  respect. And like I said, some of these
• 36:52
  matches we had us think it didn't go the extra mile to like
• 36:56
  to really make it a the pay-per-view spectacle.
• 36:59
  But of course, as I mentioned in the beginning, maybe it's not a
• 37:02
  pay-per-view anymore. Maybe it's just a festival of
• 37:04
  wrestling. Now we have our main event,
• 37:07
  which went for 22 minutes and 44 seconds.
• 37:09
  It was, of course, the singles match for the Undisputed WWE
• 37:13
  Championship, where champion Cory Rhodes defeated Randy Orton
• 37:17
  by pinfall. This was.
• 37:20
  My favorite match of the night I.
• 37:21
  Thought we'll dive in, but. I thought if you.
• 37:24
  Take Pat McAfee out of this match.
• 37:28
  The match is almost exactly the same still.
• 37:31
  Yeah, I think we've kind of. But but themselves at that
• 37:34
  corner hadn't the way I think initially.
• 37:36
  Well, if he got put into this, he might have had more of a role
• 37:39
  to play in this match. But then I think they've
• 37:41
  responded to kind of the fan backlash and I think they did
• 37:45
  the best they could with it by having obviously Jelly roll come
• 37:48
  out, take part out and then kind of see what a lot of wrestling
• 37:51
  fans have been saying now go and have the match with all wanted
• 37:54
  to see. So I think they they did what
• 37:57
  they could with that, but they should never have had to really
• 38:00
  deal with that should because, well, like we've said, I think
• 38:02
  Pat McAfee is good, but he should never have been put in
• 38:04
  this situate like into this storyline.
• 38:06
  You know, you said it best. You know, it's been cooking.
• 38:08
  It was already cooked. If again, you know, it's legacy,
• 38:11
  it's 15 years of storytelling. It didn't need Pat McAfee.
• 38:14
  So, yeah, I mean, I think they did the best thing they could by
• 38:17
  getting them out with it early. What do you what do you think
• 38:19
  about the start in that respect? So about the start I think.
• 38:25
  If Pat's going to be there, we know we've seen Pat not be
• 38:27
  afraid to get involved. So the fact he attacked him
• 38:29
  straight away, I thought was probably on point for this new
• 38:32
  version of Pat's character. So that made sense, I think, for
• 38:34
  him to attack him early on. But then for Cody, he got the
• 38:36
  upper hand and then Joey wrote to come to his aid.
• 38:39
  It makes sense what's been happening on television lately,
• 38:41
  but it did sort of take Pat out of the reckoning for the rest of
• 38:44
  the match. Part of me just thinks, you
• 38:46
  know, I didn't want Pat involved, but if you're going to
• 38:48
  put him involved, stick to your plan.
• 38:50
  Like don't just change the plan because people are angry about
• 38:52
  it. And you if you've had the balls
• 38:53
  to do it, then like follow through.
• 38:55
  But because like I said, I feel part buggers off.
• 38:58
  He comes back later on. That could have been it could
• 39:03
  have been a ref bomb and a ref come in around Yorkie or the
• 39:05
  ref. It didn't have to be Pat Mark.
• 39:07
  If he saw at this point, Pat Mark, he's almost irrelevant, if
• 39:09
  that makes sense. No, 100% and I think.
• 39:12
  Take away Pat, Mark Figure taken out, take away the ending.
• 39:15
  The bit in the middle where Randy and Cody got to go at it I
• 39:18
  thought was very good. But yeah, like the actual finish
• 39:20
  that you've kind of alluded to, they obviously might be coming
• 39:22
  back out or and then turning on McAfee, Cody winning, then Orden
• 39:27
  taking Cody out. I felt like it was just like,
• 39:29
  like Pat Murphy getting put into it.
• 39:31
  I just found it confusing. Like it left a lot more
• 39:34
  questions than answers. And obviously the alluded to it
• 39:38
  in the match where Barrett did a lot and I'd read it before and
• 39:41
  online that there's kind of concerns over Andy's back again
• 39:44
  and the kind of played into that and the match.
• 39:46
  And I just, yeah, I just think it's a shame that this should
• 39:49
  have been the easiest story to tell.
• 39:51
  And it's just become really muddled.
• 39:53
  I think it's took away from the match overall.
• 39:55
  And like I say, when it ended, I'm just a bit like, right, I
• 39:57
  really don't know where this goes next, and not in a good
• 39:59
  way. So obviously.
• 40:03
  They mentioned on comedy that like already might have a bad
• 40:05
  back and I was like, OK, we haven't heard this at all in the
• 40:07
  build up. And then Randy looked fine until
• 40:10
  then he started selling his back and then did a great job of
• 40:12
  selling it because Randy's fantastic, right?
• 40:13
  So has he got a bad back as you're just selling it?
• 40:16
  We don't know. But then I think if he was
• 40:20
  selling it, you've had him destroy Cody after, which I
• 40:22
  don't mind. Then that sets up Cody versus
• 40:24
  Randy 2 at back. That's right.
• 40:28
  Yeah. And maybe he's like.
• 40:29
  Randy just comes out and says like that was a distraction,
• 40:32
  he's gone now, don't worry about it.
• 40:34
  And then we'll get that much. But then there's kind of reports
• 40:36
  coming out that Cody's orbital sockets being fucked, hasn't it?
• 40:40
  So he's yeah, pull out of his WE world appearances on Sunday.
• 40:43
  Could be K Fibe, but yeah, you just hope that he's not like
• 40:46
  injured long term now and that title is getting vacated.
• 40:49
  I think it was. It was a, it was.
• 40:51
  A violent match where like everything looks snug,
• 40:53
  everything really Hit Aussie both and get some colour.
• 40:56
  Both are bleeding. Axel can't spot.
• 40:58
  Wake up. Watch it twice.
• 40:59
  I can't tell where Cody gets busted open, can you?
• 41:02
  No, I can't either. So I don't know if it was the
• 41:03
  hard way or if it was there done that because it did seem a bit
• 41:06
  when he started. It seemed to come out of
• 41:08
  nowhere. We're doing it really done much
• 41:10
  for that kind of warrant the blood.
• 41:11
  So no, definitely I'll tell you what I did notice.
• 41:14
  I will know kind of combat. Our older officers know how it
• 41:16
  did Mr. Anderson, Ken Kennedy for the old cursed by the
• 41:20
  wrestling gods. Yep, or.
• 41:23
  Cody. Hits a backdrop on Orton and
• 41:25
  Orton responds in exactly the same way that he did the 1
• 41:28
  Kennedy did that allegedly gotten fired.
• 41:30
  He dropped some Orton sells it and he swings out Adam.
• 41:33
  It's exactly the same because I'd I'd obviously watched that
• 41:35
  recently and I quickly got it back up.
• 41:37
  So IA little bit weird. I wonder why I thought that was
• 41:40
  worth kind of rehashing. You used to sell that back.
• 41:43
  Like the backs really hurt that I got someone fired last time.
• 41:46
  And obviously, you know, this is a major match called he's trying
• 41:50
  to hurt. So like, obviously.
• 41:51
  But yeah, like it's it's, it's legit.
• 41:53
  Maybe trying to sell that back as being legit, but yeah, I
• 41:55
  thought it was cool because I say I'd.
• 41:56
  Never would have spotted that if we hadn't have done our little
• 41:58
  deep dive on Kennedy. So yeah, I thought, yeah, he's
• 42:00
  definitely done that. When I looked at it, I was like,
• 42:02
  yeah, yes, I fantastic stuff. I want to talk about Cody Rhodes
• 42:07
  entrance, I thought. It was like a bat cave like the
• 42:09
  Cody Rhodes cave when I had like the different suits from Cody's
• 42:13
  past and it told the story of his ring attires before he came
• 42:16
  out. What was your thoughts on Cody
• 42:17
  Rhodes entrance? It's the exact note I've got
• 42:20
  down it. Was at the back.
• 42:20
  It wasn't it especially the IT was a Batman versus Superman
• 42:23
  with Affleck that you got in the trailer where he's walking
• 42:25
  through and you've got there the Robin suit that Joe has
• 42:28
  graffitied over. It was definitely like a bat
• 42:30
  cave and that you say it had all the kind of different looks.
• 42:33
  I saw a lot of people online saying they can't believe like
• 42:35
  the put Stardust in it, but like the reference Stardust fucking
• 42:38
  loads. They do.
• 42:39
  What I mean is that that that wasn't the first time without
• 42:41
  any reference of it. So I don't know why people look
• 42:43
  like kind of confused by that, but that is part of his history
• 42:46
  and I thought I thought was excellent.
• 42:47
  They've also been released a Stardust.
• 42:49
  Figure like in like Mattel, have you done a Starbucks Stardust
• 42:52
  figure since he's been back? So like, yeah, they're not
• 42:54
  hiding from that. So make it makes sense.
• 42:58
  I think and I tell that story, you know, like undesirable to
• 43:01
  undeniable, right? No 100%.
• 43:04
  Left and then he came back and. Now he's the man.
• 43:07
  I think that's what kind of wrestle.
• 43:08
  Mania is good for, isn't it, that kind of, you know, it's the
• 43:11
  end of the wrestling year in a lot of ways and that kind of bit
• 43:13
  of reflection. And like when you've got top
• 43:15
  guys, you know, big, you know, Jericho says it the best, kind
• 43:17
  of, you know, you've got to be a bit like Bowie and change
• 43:19
  yourself up all the time. So I think it's always cool when
• 43:21
  you get those little reminders of like where someone's come
• 43:24
  from. And obviously we did Cody versus
• 43:26
  Ray on our Woman in Time match a little while back.
• 43:29
  So obviously that was the kind of disfigured Cody era, which
• 43:32
  was obviously in the case. There wasn't, It was indeed.
• 43:35
  It's only smoke and mirrors. Isn't it?
• 43:36
  Yeah. And they played the song.
• 43:37
  Didn't. They did indeed.
• 43:41
  Pat McAfee? Has he now left professional
• 43:43
  wrestling forever? Well, that was that.
• 43:46
  Was the terms, wasn't it? So if if, if he is completely
• 43:49
  gone of not half fucking shit themselves on that, which I
• 43:51
  don't think they have like because well, well, well, we'll
• 43:56
  talk about it properly on Wednesday because one of my
• 43:58
  quotes is from Nikon. Did he really say that?
• 44:01
  But yeah, I don't think we have because he was in the Summer
• 44:04
  Slam promotional video. I noticed.
• 44:07
  And you've got. Like he was a great commentator
• 44:09
  and he was a face commentator as well before all this.
• 44:11
  So like have the have the damage actually really good thing the
• 44:14
  hard yeah and I I. Think if anything, they're going
• 44:19
  to double down. So I think you'll be like I'll
• 44:21
  come back because Randy wasn't good enough and you'll have
• 44:23
  someone else with them or we'll get a weird Cody.
• 44:26
  He'll turn like where Cody then aligns with them.
• 44:29
  So now I don't think we're done with Mathy, not by a long shot.
• 44:33
  We will. See.
• 44:35
  Moving on to night 2, April 19th.
• 44:37
  This was the first match I was very excited for Uber Family, of
• 44:42
  course, versus Brock Lesnar. It was a singles match that came
• 44:44
  in at 4 minutes, 46. We knew this was opening the
• 44:47
  show and it did open the show. I thought it was a great match.
• 44:53
  Based. On not what I.
• 44:54
  Was expecting going in. I was probably let down based on
• 44:56
  on what was going in, but with what happened at the end and.
• 45:00
  Seemingly being Brock Lesnar's. Retirement.
• 45:03
  I think maybe Brock can't go anymore.
• 45:05
  Were you expecting to be able to go?
• 45:06
  But maybe he can't go and This is why he was able to give us 4
• 45:09
  minutes. You hit the greatest hits, you
• 45:11
  put over family over so well because he knows he can't go
• 45:14
  anymore and he's going to retire.
• 45:17
  Yeah, well, I mean. It was rumoured this year,
• 45:18
  wasn't it, that a lot of people thought his final match might be
• 45:21
  in Summer Slam Curtain, Minnesota.
• 45:23
  So kind of him doing this at WrestleMania, it was a massive
• 45:26
  shock. I never saw it coming.
• 45:28
  And yeah, I think you're right. Maybe he is.
• 45:29
  You know, he's just can't function at the level that he's
• 45:32
  always been able to. And look, he's never been
• 45:34
  someone, especially since he came back, who's had long
• 45:37
  matches. But yeah, if he feels that he
• 45:39
  can't even kind of give people that anymore.
• 45:42
  Yeah. Why?
• 45:42
  This was the perfect way to go out.
• 45:44
  Like we've said, the build up for this was excellent.
• 45:46
  It's made all about 1,000,000 bucks.
• 45:47
  And now he's a fucking made man. You know, I mean, I'm not a cool
• 45:50
  kind of referred to him as the next big thing.
• 45:52
  It's almost like he's passed that mantle on to him and right
• 45:55
  from the often this one, like it's been the case all the way
• 45:58
  leading up to it. But like that stadium, like
• 46:01
  we're just over or like joy so fucking over for like only been
• 46:05
  up there since wrestle me at Royal Rumble.
• 46:08
  Yep, and I think Brock's been a. Not all of that, but he's been
• 46:10
  a, since he's interacted with Brock like over the last couple
• 46:13
  of months, Brock's been a big part of getting that over as
• 46:15
  well, like with the mainstream audience.
• 46:17
  And I think it's Brock's worked winners and I think I think
• 46:20
  Brock can still go, but I imagine Brock holds himself to a
• 46:23
  higher level where like if Brock feels he can only go half of
• 46:27
  Brock Lesnar level, which is still good for us, he probably
• 46:30
  doesn't want to do anymore. And he's rich now, right?
• 46:32
  And it's almost like Wayne Gretzky, like Wayne Gretzky's
• 46:34
  last season with the with the New York Rangers, he was still
• 46:38
  the highest goal scorer on the team and stuff, but it wasn't
• 46:42
  Gretzky numbers. So Gretzky retired because he
• 46:44
  wasn't the Gretzky self, even though he was still the highest
• 46:46
  scorer on the team, you know, better than a lot of players in
• 46:49
  the league still. But he wasn't he wasn't his
• 46:52
  level. And that's what he judged
• 46:53
  himself on by his level. And I think, and I guess it's
• 46:56
  just absolute opinion. I can see less than I think.
• 46:59
  And look, I'm calling go to what I could do now.
• 47:02
  Everything's harder. Keeping this physique's harder,
• 47:05
  you know, far the time gets us all right.
• 47:08
  And I think he's probably thought I'm rich.
• 47:10
  You know what? It's WrestleMania.
• 47:11
  This place is packed. It looked packed.
• 47:15
  The noise was fantastic. There's this big guy over family
• 47:18
  who's probably like he is the new me like so that's that's
• 47:23
  give him the greatest gift 100%. And like you, but you say about
• 47:26
  Wayne Gretzky, they look at this, this year's Hall of Fame,
• 47:29
  a headline. I thought exactly what AJ Siles
• 47:30
  said, didn't he? Like, yeah, he can still go, but
• 47:33
  he doesn't want to become that character of himself.
• 47:35
  He wants to go out on his terms. So 100%.
• 47:37
  And I think you're right what you're saying, because you know,
• 47:39
  the big thing with Brock is kind of his appearance and like how
• 47:42
  big he is, and as you get older, that's harder to maintain.
• 47:45
  So if he turned up four years down the line, he's dropped all
• 47:48
  of his mass like it's it's harder.
• 47:49
  I kind of sell. That's a noise gone out looking
• 47:52
  like the beast still in the process done the job for like
• 47:54
  the next big thing to quote their all to their own
• 47:57
  terminology. But I look probably had a back
• 47:59
  and forth. Or have you got the upper hand?
• 48:01
  Then Brock recoups on the outside, uses his wrestling IQ,
• 48:05
  manages to do some shanigans on the outside, a couple of ring
• 48:07
  ports, hits, forms in the ring, steps, gets back in the ring,
• 48:10
  does hit him with F5, which or when he gets back up from.
• 48:13
  But then or when he hits Lesnar with a vicious choke slam that
• 48:16
  Lesnar gets back up from. So at this point, I still
• 48:19
  thought they both look like giants, but then he hits them
• 48:21
  with that vicious. I've forgotten the name of it,
• 48:23
  but that, that last ride power bomb, basically what's last
• 48:26
  right? Yeah, last right.
• 48:27
  Yeah, laugh. And then?
• 48:29
  Brock obviously sells it, and Brock stays down until Auba's,
• 48:31
  like, up the ramp and gone. Yeah.
• 48:34
  So he could have his moment, yeah.
• 48:35
  Take the gloves off and like I say, I thought I might have
• 48:37
  called him with Barrett did a good job of kind of selling the
• 48:39
  shock of that as well. And obviously you guys thank you
• 48:42
  Brock kind of chant from the crowd and Heyman was with him.
• 48:45
  So like I said, that was pretty cool.
• 48:46
  How obviously Heyman was there night one and then he was there
• 48:49
  at the very end as well. And it's it makes me feel old.
• 48:51
  Lesnar retiring because he's someone who's like like me and
• 48:55
  you. I remember Lesnar debuting and
• 48:57
  now he's retired as I. Fuck we're getting old.
• 48:59
  No exactly. Lesnar was the.
• 49:00
  Next, the next big thing and then now he's retired and the
• 49:03
  new next big things here doing 20 years later, which is wild.
• 49:07
  Do you think that the commentators knew and did you
• 49:10
  think that Paul him and knew he was going to do what he did?
• 49:13
  I think. Him and will have.
• 49:14
  Definitely commented as no then do you think?
• 49:18
  Backstage, they knew again. I think you know you like C.
• 49:21
  Triple H just probably did, but I think it would have been a
• 49:23
  shock. Let's say it was a massive
• 49:25
  shock. Yeah.
• 49:25
  Like not, you know, you believe the Internet.
• 49:28
  It was looking like this was his last year.
• 49:30
  But no, I don't think anyone would have had it down as last
• 49:32
  night. I think there's a lot of people
• 49:33
  on the fence that the thought Brock would have went over and
• 49:36
  we're kind of worried about that.
• 49:37
  So not only did kind of you get the shock of all about beating
• 49:40
  them, you then get the kind of straight follow up of them Brock
• 49:42
  retirements and I thought was excellent, like a proper open.
• 49:44
  I like when we've talked about kind of the disappointment.
• 49:46
  If you compare the opening of night two against the open in a
• 49:50
  night one, there's just fucking no competition.
• 49:52
  That's how you open a show. 222 fucking heavyweights going at it
• 49:56
  nice and quick, kind of, I suppose you would say a shock
• 49:59
  win and then Brock retires. That's how you start a show,
• 50:02
  certainly as. Obviously the previous show we
• 50:05
  talked about good fat beating Rollins and obviously Gunther
• 50:08
  now has a favor from Paul Heyman.
• 50:10
  Is that favor that he pulls Brock overtime for one last
• 50:13
  match at Summer Slam in Minnesota?
• 50:15
  Who have you come? Up with that, because that.
• 50:17
  That that does kind of work that like have you seen that or is
• 50:21
  that your thinking? Because I like it was a
• 50:23
  conversation I had with somebody.
• 50:25
  Yesterday. Yeah.
• 50:26
  I mean, I'm watching. It.
• 50:27
  Yeah, yeah. Because I mean, what kind of?
• 50:29
  Favour would Gunther need from Paul Heyman.
• 50:32
  So yeah, that's that's not especially if if they were going
• 50:35
  to do that, I wouldn't hate it and especially if they left it
• 50:39
  like the the favour isn't referenced for months type of
• 50:41
  thing and then it gets brought up in the build up.
• 50:43
  I do like that. Yeah, it's it's clever.
• 50:47
  We will see. Moving on to the six pack lot of
• 50:50
  match for the WWE Intercontinental Championship,
• 50:53
  this was 15 minutes and 8 seconds was of course Penta, the
• 50:56
  champion who defended against Javon Evans, Dragon Lee, JD
• 51:00
  McDonough, Rousseff and RE Mysterio.
• 51:05
  Again, exactly what it needed to be.
• 51:07
  Kind of I thought everyone got a little kind of chance to shine
• 51:10
  some nasty looking spots and they're in a good way.
• 51:13
  Penta looks great. Retained the title like yeah,
• 51:16
  what we because obviously it's a it's a fast hitting on.
• 51:17
  What were some of your highlights from it?
• 51:19
  Because there's a few in there where it was a whoa.
• 51:22
  So I thought the. Stars.
• 51:24
  I want to say Panda came out with a tie into more the new
• 51:27
  mortal Komba film. I thought you look kind of cool
• 51:29
  in that mask. I thought the mask the match was
• 51:34
  pretty hard hitting. Everybody getting their bits in,
• 51:36
  everybody moving around the ring well, getting out the ring when
• 51:38
  they need to do some awesome spots, including not when.
• 51:43
  It was pen I delivered the. I forgot the name of the.
• 51:46
  Move now but the. On JD McDonald, on the other,
• 51:50
  the Mexican destroyer. That's the one Mexican destroyer
• 51:52
  and. Then also, I thought really look
• 51:54
  fantastic in this match when you talk about re retiring, does he
• 51:57
  need to retire because he's still going here the way he put
• 51:59
  Rousseff through the ladder on the outside?
• 52:01
  Yeah, but no, that's. All I mean, I think I think
• 52:04
  Ramis, he was kind of sad. He thought when he was getting
• 52:06
  put in the Hall of Fame few years, but they were trying to
• 52:08
  retire him and he was like I'm nowhere close to being done and
• 52:10
  he did excellent. This I really like where there's
• 52:12
  a point where, yeah, I can't remember.
• 52:13
  It was so much in the ladder and he hits the 619 into the ladder
• 52:17
  and now he did he looks he didn't look out of place at all.
• 52:19
  He still looks the absolute stops top style that he is what
• 52:23
  I did think. Was when you've got Dragon Lee
• 52:27
  and G McDonough in this match? I don't think I ever thought
• 52:30
  they were going to win. Would it not make?
• 52:33
  Sense to put. Somebody in who maybe has a, you
• 52:37
  would think has a better chance to win him.
• 52:38
  Maybe Alasta Black, who wasn't involved at all.
• 52:40
  WrestleMania, Yeah. I mean, it's one of those ones.
• 52:43
  Where I think you always have those guys in a lot of match
• 52:44
  where it's multi man and someone like them two are going to add
• 52:47
  do it. And it's probably a bit of a
• 52:48
  thank you really for the last year because obviously JD's been
• 52:51
  in there with a judgment day. Obviously Dragon Lee was kind of
• 52:53
  a big part of the tail end of AJ Styles career.
• 52:56
  So I think it was kind of them just getting their kind of
• 52:58
  flowers really for the year that they've had and getting them on
• 53:01
  the card. I mean, it's the same for Rusev.
• 53:02
  I mean, Rusev done nothing really on TV for months and he
• 53:05
  got put in there, but obviously he was in there as the bigger
• 53:08
  guy, which I thought worked really well because it was a lot
• 53:10
  of kind of high Flyers in that. So I don't mind it as much.
• 53:13
  Yeah. Your point about Alistair Black,
• 53:15
  I mean, yeah, definitely. I mean, all he's done this
• 53:16
  weekend is the Andre the Giant Memorial battle royal book.
• 53:19
  Did you see that? Apparently he was originally
• 53:22
  meant to be the Pat McAfee character in the Orton Wrote
• 53:24
  storyline. I've seen that written in the
• 53:26
  dirt sheet. So don't.
• 53:27
  Know how true that is? But I've seen it written.
• 53:28
  Yes, I can believe that, because they will.
• 53:30
  Have no money to be the new kind of carrying cross in people's in
• 53:34
  people's heads. So yeah I think that would have
• 53:36
  been interesting to see but yeah I think there is some people who
• 53:39
  may be deserved. That's what we talked about it
• 53:41
  because I think we said him and Carmelo his could have
• 53:43
  definitely warranted been in that match, but they were over
• 53:46
  on Smackdown unfortunately. So I guess that's why they
• 53:48
  weren't considered for it. Maybe I think what I.
• 53:51
  Would have done was I would have had enough to be 6, but I would
• 53:55
  have put Alasta block Carmelo his in there and my Cardona
• 53:58
  because he won the last one, right?
• 54:00
  So therefore you've got legit people in there who have been
• 54:03
  champions recently or who are dangerous.
• 54:05
  And then it would have added to the jeopardy of like, who can
• 54:08
  win this? No, definitely.
• 54:11
  Who do you think's been the? Biggest name left off Romania
• 54:13
  this year? Who do you think's kind of been
• 54:14
  the most unlucky with that? Mark Cardona.
• 54:18
  I'm only joking, I mean if you can make an argument.
• 54:20
  For it, I mean, he's been brought back.
• 54:22
  You'd think you might have been in the mix in some way.
• 54:24
  I think I think the way he was used when the.
• 54:25
  In the on storyline made made sense from not to be on the
• 54:28
  card. Maybe so I think yeah, like this
• 54:30
  would have been way would have fit in perfectly in that much,
• 54:32
  especially because you would have put him in and he would in
• 54:35
  his promos in the bill. It would have been like, well, I
• 54:36
  won the last one, so I'm going to win the next one.
• 54:38
  You know, I'm not saying he would win, but you could you
• 54:39
  could be seeing that. So he would have fitted in here
• 54:42
  perfectly if if they wanted to use him that way.
• 54:46
  But no, like I love Michael. I'm not going to see him, but it
• 54:49
  probably is probably is Alice are black and it probably is
• 54:53
  Carmelo Hiss and Come Out Here has held that US championship
• 54:56
  for like a long time, holding down Smackdown with the open
• 55:00
  challenge, which has been fantastic.
• 55:02
  And then he sort of not not involved in Mania at all, which
• 55:06
  is a shame. Yeah.
• 55:09
  And I thought you. Know that I think I said I think
• 55:11
  also blacks the one for me because I think there was a
• 55:13
  there was a slight movies one week where I thought might be
• 55:16
  getting a six man WE title match at mania and I thought with Cody
• 55:20
  drew Fatu and I thought Alistair black was going to get thrown
• 55:22
  into that. So no, definitely I think he
• 55:24
  might be the biggest name, but I did enjoy penta winning because
• 55:27
  I didn't see that coming at all. I really had it down is Javon
• 55:30
  Evans with him being so young, I thought that might think that's
• 55:33
  kind of a cool Wrestle Mania moment.
• 55:34
  Haven't he did look great in this, didn't he?
• 55:36
  That OG cut out of Rousseff from the term, but well to the
• 55:38
  ladder. So again, still got a spots in.
• 55:40
  But yeah, I thought it was a surprise win for me because I
• 55:42
  didn't expect Penta to walk out with the title still, did you?
• 55:47
  In the build up, no bank once. Once the match started and
• 55:50
  started setting itself up, I thought Pentas Premier might win
• 55:52
  here and like I like that and he had some men's Pentas legacy a
• 55:55
  bit more was the IC champion, so it's good.
• 55:58
  I think Javon Evans, you know, he got his spots and he looked
• 56:00
  great. He got beat though.
• 56:01
  I think this will help him because I can see Kofi Kingston
• 56:04
  being in his ear now being like, well, you didn't get it done,
• 56:07
  but if you had my guidance, you would have done.
• 56:08
  So come over the New Day and I'll help you.
• 56:11
  Yeah, I hope. I hope the.
• 56:12
  Flesh that out properly because like when the New Day is used
• 56:14
  right, like they're excellent. Like, you want me like, like
• 56:16
  Cody Coffee's like whole surefire Hall of Fame as well.
• 56:19
  The New Day as a team, to be fair.
• 56:21
  But yeah, it's a shame that after they did turn heel,
• 56:23
  they've just not been able, like, not done anything at all.
• 56:26
  And then they weren't even on the card this year.
• 56:28
  So, yeah, I hope that, like you say, the flesh that out a bit
• 56:31
  more with Javon Evans. And it'll be interesting to see
• 56:34
  where they go. It's interesting the kind of
• 56:36
  parallel paths Penter and his brothers took over there,
• 56:40
  because Ray Phoenix hasn't done much at all as the overall
• 56:42
  smackdown. He has not, but I think this.
• 56:46
  I think this time for obviously came about a different time.
• 56:48
  The Penta saying that hasn't helped and I think I'm not quite
• 56:52
  sure who's been working over there.
• 56:53
  He's not been working. Has he not been there down AAA?
• 56:56
  Yeah, he's some bits. In AAA, he's had kind of mini
• 56:59
  little feuds on Smackdown, but he's done nothing.
• 57:01
  But I suppose kind of if a singles run never works out for
• 57:04
  him, like the second you put them together for A tag team
• 57:07
  run, people are going to be into that on there.
• 57:09
  What I think if you have like say you have a.
• 57:11
  Faction come after the IC town saw beaten Penta down.
• 57:13
  That's who comes and makes the save right, Not dragon lead, but
• 57:16
  you have you have Ray Phoenix. Yeah, definitely.
• 57:19
  That's that's the thing. WrestleMania, we know we talk
• 57:21
  about these people who aren't on the card, but everything gets
• 57:23
  reset kind of tomorrow there tonight.
• 57:27
  I mean like you know what, on that moment of time last week we
• 57:29
  went into JBL very heavily. JBL wasn't on the WrestleMania
• 57:32
  card and he was WE champion 5 weeks later.
• 57:34
  So who knows what kind of who knows what the future holds for
• 57:38
  these people that haven't had a WrestleMania match this year?
• 57:41
  Indeed, the wheel keeps. Spinning, as they say.
• 57:44
  The third match was 7. Minutes and seven seconds long.
• 57:47
  It was, of course, the singles match for the WWE United States
• 57:51
  Championship. Trick Williams, with Lil Yachty,
• 57:54
  defeated the champion Sami Zayn by pinfall to become the new US
• 57:59
  Champion. Tricks done it, and it looks
• 58:01
  like he's a bigger baby face than ever.
• 58:04
  Yeah, I thought it was. The right result wrong, wrong
• 58:06
  way to get to it. So I thought it was really good
• 58:08
  like kind of a ruthlessness from Samy's in at the start kind of
• 58:11
  leaning into that heel turn that a kind of has been alluded to
• 58:15
  that brain Buster a trick on the apron look nasty.
• 58:18
  He was kind of getting in tricks.
• 58:20
  Mom and dads faces took out little yachty.
• 58:22
  I thought it was all kind of leading towards that kind of
• 58:25
  double turn that would maybe he's kind of hyped up in my
• 58:27
  head, which again, maybe he shouldn't do.
• 58:29
  But yeah, I just thought if that's the way you were going to
• 58:32
  go with it and you want a kind of position trick, Williams is
• 58:35
  the babyface that he's getting the reaction for.
• 58:37
  I thought it was a bit disappointing that little yacht
• 58:39
  he got involved from the kind of get that over the line.
• 58:44
  Yeah, I enjoyed him attacking little Yachty.
• 58:46
  And I enjoyed the heel work Sonny was doing.
• 58:48
  I think Trick doesn't necessarily need to be like a
• 58:51
  babyface moment. I think he just is a babyface
• 58:53
  and maybe just torn down some of the things he says.
• 58:56
  But you don't want to torn down too much.
• 58:58
  That's his character. You know, he's a loudmouth,
• 59:00
  looks jacked, self beliefs through the roof.
• 59:03
  But that's why people love him. So he is a babyface, if that
• 59:06
  makes sense. Yeah, definitely.
• 59:08
  And it's. Another one where I think we
• 59:10
  might not be done with this rivalry.
• 59:12
  So maybe he's that double, double Turn happens like a
• 59:15
  Backlash or a Smackdown in a couple of weeks.
• 59:18
  But yeah, I think that's why we like one of the criticism of
• 59:20
  WrestleMania. I think there's a few, I don't
• 59:21
  know if just because like I've got an old school way of looking
• 59:23
  at it from when we used to watch it when we were younger.
• 59:25
  But for me, WrestleMania for a lot of stuff used to be kind of
• 59:27
  the end of rivalries. Whereas I think there's a few
• 59:30
  things coming out of this WrestleMania where it isn't
• 59:32
  done, which I don't know if that's always, I feel like
• 59:35
  WrestleMania should be kind of a fresh start.
• 59:37
  I agree with you, that's what. It has been like in the past and
• 59:40
  that's probably how I would prefer it, but it goes back to
• 59:42
  this. It's a festival of wrestling.
• 59:43
  You'll get people who'll just TuneIn for WrestleMania.
• 59:46
  So if something's like not quite finishing but just starting or
• 59:48
  in the middle and there's a possibility of something big
• 59:51
  happening tonight or like next week that they might hang around
• 59:55
  for a few more weeks. So it might be a way to get more
• 59:56
  eyes on the product, Maybe. Yeah, Definitely, yeah.
• 59:59
  It's just a different things change, don't I think I just
• 1:00:02
  don't like change sometimes. But yeah, I think it would have
• 1:00:04
  been good for them to have just not had little Yachty involved
• 1:00:06
  in this match, but obviously had been in the build up.
• 1:00:09
  So it does make sense from that perspective.
• 1:00:11
  But just the way the match started, I didn't think that's
• 1:00:14
  how it was going to end, but it was the right result.
• 1:00:15
  Like it's he saw over and you know, we've talked about loads
• 1:00:18
  of Times Now he just looks, acts, wrestles like a star.
• 1:00:21
  So it'll be interesting to see how his US title goes.
• 1:00:23
  I could see him versus Carmelo this week on Smackdown and Open
• 1:00:27
  Challenge. I think so.
• 1:00:29
  And Kamal. Kamal needs to get back in the
• 1:00:31
  mix. I'm not saying he needs to be
• 1:00:32
  the champion, but he's got back in the mix.
• 1:00:34
  So he's on television, he's involved, and then let's go from
• 1:00:37
  there with it. Definitely.
• 1:00:40
  Next up we have. The street fight.
• 1:00:41
  This came in a 10 minutes 27 seconds.
• 1:00:44
  It was the demon Finn Bala who defeated Dominique Mysterio by
• 1:00:48
  pinfall, and it was changed. To a street fight wasn't.
• 1:00:51
  It because it wasn't. That wasn't announced leading
• 1:00:53
  into it. Why do you think they made that
• 1:00:55
  change? I'm not sure like I.
• 1:00:58
  Don't know if they're just maybe the tying the demon that all the
• 1:01:01
  demon to sort of be. Evil, but also Doms.
• 1:01:05
  Dirty doms or just given the possibility of like not having
• 1:01:08
  to hide behind the ref, like no, we can get the chairs, you can
• 1:01:10
  get the candlesticks, you can get the Slim Jim tables, you can
• 1:01:12
  do all that. And that's just have a let's
• 1:01:13
  just have a full match, right? And that's what it was.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, it was a fun. Match, like it came and it was
• 1:01:18
  one of those ones where you feel like it's done now, don't you?
• 1:01:20
  Going back to kind of that previous point about
• 1:01:22
  WrestleMania being the end point, like I can't, I can't see
• 1:01:25
  them having any more to do with each other, Dick, can you?
• 1:01:29
  No, I think Dom. Saw the perfectly, you know, I
• 1:01:32
  thought Dom's entrance was fantastic.
• 1:01:33
  You know, really built them up as being this like this big deal
• 1:01:35
  that he is big heel as well. I think the fact that he was, I
• 1:01:40
  don't know if you noticed the demon's entrance, but like
• 1:01:42
  surely Dom a few times there was a coron in the corner and he was
• 1:01:44
  scared to get involved at the beginning, which was good.
• 1:01:47
  And then obviously he's fought Finn Balor, the demon version.
• 1:01:52
  Obviously Finn took all the Dominic's moves and kicked out
• 1:01:54
  of them all and then, you know, a coup de grace through the
• 1:01:57
  table. Plus that vicious I thought look
• 1:02:00
  great when he's through him into the was through him into the
• 1:02:03
  turn. But I was written with the chair
• 1:02:04
  on his Yeah, and then he kicked him.
• 1:02:08
  Yeah, he threw him into the corner and then kicked him into
• 1:02:10
  it. Yeah, I look really vicious.
• 1:02:11
  It was a nice little 619 with some chairs as well, which led
• 1:02:13
  the Dom's frog splash where then demon kicks out and you get that
• 1:02:17
  kind of old undertaker style thing where like someone can't
• 1:02:20
  believe they just hit them with the best moves.
• 1:02:22
  But this kind of supernatural entities car guy is taking like
• 1:02:25
  what? What's it going to take to beat
• 1:02:26
  them? And Dom didn't have it that
• 1:02:27
  night now. So I think Dom won't come back
• 1:02:29
  just. Like I'd give you everything and
• 1:02:32
  I could cheat. I use tables, chairs, Kendall
• 1:02:34
  sticks, everything. But I still couldn't get you
• 1:02:36
  done. So actually I need to stay away
• 1:02:37
  from you. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  And I think I don't know if it. Was done on purpose, but by
• 1:02:40
  having JD in the ladder match, it kind of worked well for why
• 1:02:43
  Dom didn't get the help that Liv did.
• 1:02:46
  So I thought that was quite well done.
• 1:02:47
  Well, like by the time he got around to that match, it was
• 1:02:49
  kind of end of the Sunday. Dom's going into this on his own
• 1:02:52
  against the Demon. Definitely.
• 1:02:56
  Where does Finn Barack go? From here I would have to see
• 1:02:57
  him take a more, not be on telly as much and maybe just try and
• 1:03:01
  be the demon full time. Yeah, I don't think.
• 1:03:04
  You'll get the demon full time. But I could, I could.
• 1:03:07
  I feel like he's close at the end of his career than the
• 1:03:10
  beginning. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:03:11
  I feel like he wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:03:14
  He's someone who wound it down and I could really see him going
• 1:03:16
  behind the scenes. He seems to kind of have a hand
• 1:03:19
  in a few things now. But yeah, because the the
• 1:03:21
  reference to in in the March and I couldn't be was that long ago.
• 1:03:24
  But was that tooth 2016 when he won the universal title?
• 1:03:28
  Now you know, it was 10 years ago and he relinquished it
• 1:03:32
  straight away so. He's not really had a
• 1:03:33
  championship run right, a world title.
• 1:03:34
  Anyway, No he hasn't and I just. I'd love to see him have one,
• 1:03:38
  but I just can't see it happening.
• 1:03:39
  So I think he could be someone if they're going to put the IC
• 1:03:42
  title on him and have him as kind of that workhorse
• 1:03:44
  championship, I think that could still be in his future.
• 1:03:46
  But I think it's interesting because obviously the height,
• 1:03:48
  the hold him in high regard. He's just had a big WrestleMania
• 1:03:51
  moment of let him do his character.
• 1:03:53
  So you know, he's definitely not done.
• 1:03:54
  But I think it's interesting where they go that now the
• 1:03:56
  Judgment is done because obviously he's been tied up
• 1:03:58
  enough for so long, hasn't he? So it's kind of a fresh start
• 1:04:01
  for him. It is indeed.
• 1:04:03
  And it's. Got the same of he revisited the
• 1:04:06
  demon which was great. He also alluded to his past in
• 1:04:08
  Japan. With all the streamers coming
• 1:04:10
  out, I thought was really cool. No, the whole presentation
• 1:04:14
  wasn't. Like I thought about Rollins
• 1:04:16
  with his contact lenses and he's like snarling.
• 1:04:18
  That makes no fucking sense. The demon carrot I does do.
• 1:04:20
  I mean it looked excellent, always has.
• 1:04:22
  And it's one of those ones where they do we can sometimes overuse
• 1:04:26
  things quite quickly. But like they've done a really
• 1:04:28
  good job of kind of protecting that demon character where like
• 1:04:31
  was probably still in single figures the amount of times
• 1:04:33
  we've seen it. So noise.
• 1:04:35
  It's always exciting. Money guys see it and I send a
• 1:04:37
  lot of people didn't want to announce in advance, but I think
• 1:04:39
  you'll know it was coming. So I didn't hear it.
• 1:04:42
  So we last seen it three years. Ago.
• 1:04:44
  Was that right? Yeah.
• 1:04:45
  Was that without? Being against Roman, possibly.
• 1:04:49
  I think so. So yeah, three years is a long
• 1:04:52
  time in. Wrestling, do you know what I
• 1:04:53
  mean? Things move quickly.
• 1:04:54
  So yeah, I think it's something that they've actually protect.
• 1:04:55
  I know, I know he lost to Roman, but I think every other time
• 1:04:58
  it's being used he's won. So yeah, it's it's a bit of
• 1:05:01
  protective character, isn't it? Protective gimmick?
• 1:05:04
  The Demon certainly is. We will see.
• 1:05:06
  Where it goes next Next up, coming in a 10 minutes and 8
• 1:05:10
  seconds. We had a singles match for the
• 1:05:11
  WWE Women's Championship. Rarely defeated Jade Cargill,
• 1:05:16
  who was the champion by pinfall. We had some shenanigans from
• 1:05:20
  Jade Cargill's B Fab and Mission, but then of course,
• 1:05:24
  your Sky made the save for Ria. I thought this match was a good
• 1:05:27
  match. I thought Jade looked good.
• 1:05:29
  I thought Ria and Ria and Jade worked well.
• 1:05:31
  Sort of put together a good, good match, I thought.
• 1:05:35
  Again, I thought maybe could have.
• 1:05:35
  Gone longer because, you know, these two, they prove that they
• 1:05:38
  could go and they were do having a good match.
• 1:05:40
  But again, 10 minutes, some shenanigans involved and we wrap
• 1:05:44
  this thing up and real leaves as the the new women's champion.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah, I think you've kind of covered that.
• 1:05:50
  For that, it was, I think when you had Rhea and Jade actually
• 1:05:54
  go at it, like I think it delivered more than I was
• 1:05:57
  looking forward to. As we've said, this was probably
• 1:05:58
  the one lowest down on our card of things that we're looking
• 1:06:00
  forward to. But then again, you just kind
• 1:06:02
  of, I know they've been doing on telly, but you had all the
• 1:06:04
  shenanigans at the end. I quite liked the Jade going for
• 1:06:07
  the boot on your sky when you avoid into the moonsault to take
• 1:06:10
  them two out, which leads the kind of the distraction in the
• 1:06:13
  end. But yeah, I just think this
• 1:06:14
  match didn't need all the shenanigans from the start, did
• 1:06:17
  it? That's what I mean, you've
• 1:06:18
  talked about quite a lot in the lead up to it.
• 1:06:20
  And you know, you've got Rio as a champion now.
• 1:06:22
  Obviously this was Jade's first run as the championship as a
• 1:06:25
  champion. How do you think that goes as an
• 1:06:27
  experiment? You think she's done enough
• 1:06:29
  where the silk hat holder up there?
• 1:06:31
  Or do you think this is kind of Jade done in that main event
• 1:06:33
  scene? I don't think she's done I.
• 1:06:37
  Think she can take a bit of time now and do some of her things,
• 1:06:40
  like within the company, I mean, and works a lot of people do
• 1:06:42
  some different programs. But I think, you know, she was
• 1:06:46
  hung in there and they delivered a great payoff is what I
• 1:06:48
  thought. So yeah.
• 1:06:51
  Jared, good matter area. So I think, yeah, I think Jade
• 1:06:54
  comes out with this looking good, as does Ria.
• 1:06:57
  And I think maybe down the line you can even use the.
• 1:07:02
  Shenanigans less they can. Probably trust Jade Moore now
• 1:07:04
  where they don't need to put people with her because she's a
• 1:07:06
  she's a jacked beast, right? And I mean that in the nicest
• 1:07:09
  possible way, but she's a dominant woman, you know what I
• 1:07:12
  mean? She's like Wonder Woman, right?
• 1:07:13
  She's like, you know what I mean?
• 1:07:15
  Like she's powerful, she's strong, she's just smart.
• 1:07:19
  Like she can't hurt you. So I don't think she needs the
• 1:07:21
  shenanigans of like, sidekicks anymore.
• 1:07:25
  No, I think you've I. Think you started it right by
• 1:07:27
  saying that like, obviously I think maybe she takes a little
• 1:07:29
  bit of time off and she'll benefit from that and then kind
• 1:07:32
  of come back and restart up. But yeah, I think she's done
• 1:07:35
  more than enough. I think it's been a decent
• 1:07:36
  enough title run and I think the match over delivered really with
• 1:07:40
  what the build was. So yeah, I look forward to
• 1:07:42
  seeing what she does next. And obviously we are on
• 1:07:44
  Smackdown now. Who would you put?
• 1:07:45
  Who would you have as Ria's first opponent?
• 1:07:49
  I wouldn't know if they go because EO sky say well I'm
• 1:07:53
  your. Friend looks like BB faces BB
• 1:07:55
  face and give us a towel shot. Yeah, that's what I thought as
• 1:07:58
  well. Cat, I think I'm sure Ria's
• 1:07:59
  never beat you. Harsha one-on-one because that
• 1:08:02
  was kind of the storyline leading in the last year's
• 1:08:04
  triple threat, which was like one of my favorite matches the
• 1:08:06
  last year's WrestleMania, that women's triple threat.
• 1:08:08
  So yeah, I think that will be cool because it's definitely not
• 1:08:11
  going to be Bianca, is it, when I mentioned that one from Night
• 1:08:13
  1, normal. Time that soon I.
• 1:08:16
  Suppose but. But yes, I think we've hit the
• 1:08:20
  on the head. Excellent.
• 1:08:22
  But yeah, I say considering it was.
• 1:08:23
  Probably the match I was least looking forward to is one of the
• 1:08:25
  better matches of the weekend, I thought.
• 1:08:27
  But which is what we've said, you know, I mean, we weren't
• 1:08:30
  looking forward to because we think both of my shit.
• 1:08:32
  We would like kind of disappointed with the build
• 1:08:34
  because like we're like both of them and we thought the bill
• 1:08:36
  could have been a lot better. Absolutely.
• 1:08:39
  So as you hit it out there night one, in between the second last
• 1:08:42
  match in the main event, John Cena came out and did the
• 1:08:45
  attendance. And then also we had in night 1,
• 1:08:49
  we had the EST come out and announce that she is pregnant
• 1:08:52
  and that's why she's not been on our television sets.
• 1:08:54
  It wasn't just a broken finger that would never heal.
• 1:08:56
  It is something a lot more beautiful than that.
• 1:08:59
  What was your thoughts on there doing this on the grander stage
• 1:09:01
  of them all in the middle of the ring?
• 1:09:04
  Yeah, I think it's a nice. Thing because I don't.
• 1:09:06
  Did you watch any of the Hall of Fame?
• 1:09:09
  No. I didn't, I did not watch all of
• 1:09:12
  him, no. So probably that's obviously.
• 1:09:14
  That kind of alluded to how Stephanie McMahon was kind of
• 1:09:17
  one of the driving forces of like people being able to
• 1:09:19
  properly bring the families on the road and stuff like that.
• 1:09:21
  And I think that was one of the things like in the past, wasn't
• 1:09:24
  it, where I think a lot of the women felt that if you had a
• 1:09:26
  kid, you'd be gone and your career will be over.
• 1:09:29
  And you've seen kind of, you know, obviously with Becky
• 1:09:31
  Lynch, both the Bellas, that isn't the case now.
• 1:09:35
  So I thought it was like a really cool moment of how far
• 1:09:37
  things have come that like not only is she kind of definitely
• 1:09:41
  still going to have a career when she went when she wants to
• 1:09:43
  come back, but they've kind of brought it out and celebrated it
• 1:09:46
  for I thought was just a really nice moment.
• 1:09:47
  And if you're going to have someone come out and just say
• 1:09:49
  what the attendance is, at least give it a bit of a bit of a
• 1:09:52
  different spin on it. So now that was just a nice
• 1:09:54
  thing and kind of a good a good kind of image of where the
• 1:09:58
  industry is now. I thought it was.
• 1:10:00
  A nice thing what? I didn't like was that and it's
• 1:10:03
  like typical with like maternity and paternity where not As for
• 1:10:08
  doesn't come out and get like be with her.
• 1:10:10
  But why is that not happening? Yeah, he was there as well.
• 1:10:13
  Because I've seen for what he was in the need, so wouldn't it
• 1:10:16
  cost them? Anything to send them out with
• 1:10:18
  her? No, Maybe he's the whole.
• 1:10:20
  Maybe they're. Going to re debut this week
• 1:10:21
  because they've been off TV, both of them.
• 1:10:23
  So maybe the maybe they're going to give him his moment this
• 1:10:26
  week. But yeah.
• 1:10:27
  It was strange though, because he was there.
• 1:10:28
  It was indeed. Let me go into our.
• 1:10:31
  Main well not our main event we going to so night to see how it
• 1:10:34
  comes out to tell us the 10s of night 2 and we have the amazing
• 1:10:37
  Kit Wilson intervene wanting our WrestleMania moment.
• 1:10:40
  What we have is Dan Housing emerges and he's not alone.
• 1:10:43
  He is with the Midget houses. Just to clarify things.
• 1:10:48
  I've always referred to small people in the wrestling business
• 1:10:51
  as midgets. It's what they've always been
• 1:10:53
  called, whether you watch Vincent Mann, call them that.
• 1:10:56
  Any documentary about wrestling business, they call midgets.
• 1:10:58
  Michael Cole called the midgets students broadcast and said
• 1:11:00
  that's what I like to be called. So we do not mean any
• 1:11:03
  disrespect. They were absolutely
• 1:11:04
  entertaining and we loved what they did.
• 1:11:06
  But yes, the Midget Hausens and Dan Hausen come out and talk us
• 1:11:09
  through what you enjoyed about this, Luke, because the I
• 1:11:12
  thought was wonderful. Yeah, I just loved like.
• 1:11:14
  All of this because that's I think the Maze kind of is talk
• 1:11:17
  about how you feel that he's having given us flowers.
• 1:11:19
  And I think he's the one who kind of you could put Maze in
• 1:11:21
  the W title picture starting this week and you'd still
• 1:11:24
  believe in it. But then you can do stuff like
• 1:11:26
  this way because he throws himself into it.
• 1:11:28
  Like he's great in it. And it's just crazy.
• 1:11:31
  Like if you look at how people responded, Dan, I wasn't coming
• 1:11:35
  out the box at Elimination Chamber 7 weeks ago to now being
• 1:11:38
  one of the most over people in the company.
• 1:11:40
  He's wrestled one match and he was out there with fucking the
• 1:11:42
  greatest of all time, John Cena. It's it's excellent.
• 1:11:45
  And it was funny and you could see seeing I was into it and I
• 1:11:47
  say the midges played their part and then I wasn't going to stick
• 1:11:50
  in like it's exactly what it couldn't have been better for
• 1:11:53
  what that segment was that kind of bit of a respite before you
• 1:11:57
  get your main event. It was obviously the Midget.
• 1:11:59
  Thousands all and make up and 1000 comes out in the done house
• 1:12:02
  and mobile. They get in the ring and.
• 1:12:07
  Kit Wilson's disrespectful to the midgets.
• 1:12:09
  Or midgets punches them right in the groin.
• 1:12:12
  I don't know if you know what this but Dan Houses pass, but
• 1:12:14
  that's one of these finishing moves.
• 1:12:15
  He like say people in the groin and then they push the midgets
• 1:12:18
  over. Dan Housen tells the midgets to
• 1:12:20
  attack and pile on. And then Miz gets hit in the
• 1:12:24
  groin by Dan Housen and Dan Housen looks to John Cena.
• 1:12:28
  Cena gives him permission and he hits him with A5 knuckle
• 1:12:31
  shuffle. Sends everyone home happy.
• 1:12:33
  And then the Miz gets dragged out the ring and sent up the
• 1:12:35
  ramp by the midgets carrying like he's a fallen warrior.
• 1:12:38
  Almost like he's like the Wicked Witch of the West from Wizard of
• 1:12:40
  Oz. Yeah, and they got that
• 1:12:42
  reference. In for the Globe in Vegas,
• 1:12:43
  didn't accept on there if you've got $120.00 to go and watch it.
• 1:12:47
  So yeah, no, it was. And it's just, it's funny how
• 1:12:49
  much people really were quite quick to shit on that
• 1:12:52
  Elimination Chamber debut, but we didn't did we knew what was
• 1:12:55
  coming. We knew it was going to work.
• 1:12:58
  We didn't need then. Sort of the the small bomb goes
• 1:13:01
  off as if they say that hasn't vanished, but he doesn't, which
• 1:13:04
  I thought was a plum words but now you can't see me and
• 1:13:05
  obviously didn't work. Then down as and rolls out the
• 1:13:07
  ring tells all the matrix to hide and also of run and
• 1:13:10
  scramble the dive into the ring and hide.
• 1:13:11
  I thought it was just hilarious. Yeah, and I say see, you know.
• 1:13:14
  Let's see, I generally seemed like he was into it and that was
• 1:13:16
  kind of all little what our prediction slash want wasn't it
• 1:13:20
  for WrestleMania that we've got a John Cena Dan housing
• 1:13:22
  interaction and it would did and it delivered and I don't know.
• 1:13:26
  If you were following but on Dan housing social media, he was
• 1:13:29
  filming things on night 1 where he was looking for John Cena
• 1:13:32
  backstage whenever I found him. Then he did find him night 2 in
• 1:13:37
  the. Middle of the ring exactly,
• 1:13:39
  yeah. All all all makes sense in the
• 1:13:41
  end and he got his blimp, didn't he?
• 1:13:43
  Did get his blimp a night one as.
• 1:13:44
  Well, Yep, the Goodyear blimp was flying around with done how
• 1:13:46
  a blimp how was and I believe it was called Yeah.
• 1:13:50
  And then we're ready for the main event.
• 1:13:52
  Which was 33 minutes and 56 seconds.
• 1:13:55
  It was, of course, the singles match for the World Heavyweight
• 1:13:58
  Championship, and it was Roman Reigns who defeated CM Punk by
• 1:14:02
  pinfall to become the new World Heavyweight Champion.
• 1:14:07
  What was your thoughts on the introductions of this match on
• 1:14:09
  the entrances? I thought it was the only.
• 1:14:11
  Match of the whole weekend that had a real proper big fight feel
• 1:14:15
  to it. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:14:16
  There was no no managers, no celebrities involved.
• 1:14:20
  It was just two of the top stars of all time in the business.
• 1:14:23
  And and you know, Roman's entrance with the piano there
• 1:14:26
  and then punks with the old school music and the images came
• 1:14:29
  from his past and then his, you know, his ring jacket with the
• 1:14:32
  kind of nods to people who've passed away recently and the
• 1:14:34
  production staff and Larry the dog.
• 1:14:36
  Like I say, it was the only match that as the as the walk to
• 1:14:39
  the ring, it felt like a big match feel.
• 1:14:42
  It felt like a real sport and event.
• 1:14:44
  It felt like a boxing match. Certainly did.
• 1:14:48
  I love how punk. Obviously they used the, I think
• 1:14:50
  it's AFI who did the music was his Ring of Honor music I
• 1:14:53
  believe obviously as like a video package in the build up.
• 1:14:56
  And then punk comes out on the stage to no music until he
• 1:14:59
  checks his watch for colour and time and then Living Colour
• 1:15:01
  kicks in and he's walking down the ring.
• 1:15:03
  He's fully enjoying it. You can tell he's just embraced
• 1:15:06
  in the moment. He's ready to deliver everything
• 1:15:08
  he's got in the tank. Paid homage to those who've.
• 1:15:12
  Left him recently. Larry the Dog, I believe
• 1:15:14
  somebody from the Chicago Punk scene was also on there.
• 1:15:16
  And then three WWE production stuff as well.
• 1:15:19
  Again, just Punk just given trying to give these people
• 1:15:23
  their flowers and they're no longer here, you know, trying to
• 1:15:25
  do the right thing by them. I think it's beautiful.
• 1:15:28
  It's a very beautiful thing to do.
• 1:15:29
  Nothing. It kind of goes into.
• 1:15:30
  Kind of how much Punk seems to be enjoying beating back,
• 1:15:33
  doesn't he? And I know a lot of people
• 1:15:35
  online who kind of will use it against Punk, but he's kind of
• 1:15:38
  become a company guy, hasn't he? But I think he's done it in a
• 1:15:41
  way where it feels genuine and like everyone's just happy that
• 1:15:44
  he's happy. And that was kind of another
• 1:15:46
  little nod to that. I don't even think I think yes.
• 1:15:49
  Yes, a company guy by he's more he's more he's a people guy.
• 1:15:53
  Like I think there's people around him he works with who
• 1:15:55
  work for the company and he wants to do Best Buy them.
• 1:15:57
  Like those individuals, like who he works with, who he mingles
• 1:16:00
  with. I think I think he's become a a
• 1:16:03
  people guy where like, how can I have a positive impact on these
• 1:16:06
  people? And I think that's what.
• 1:16:08
  We're trying to do and I. Think that has always been the
• 1:16:10
  case, right? But but I think as of this punk
• 1:16:12
  right now has grown and this is what he's trying to do.
• 1:16:15
  When you get old and you get. Wiser, don't you and like I know
• 1:16:18
  we had the main event last year on night one, but like this this
• 1:16:21
  is what you would have wanted. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:16:23
  Night 2 last two guys out there he walked in there champion like
• 1:16:27
  this. This was his dream, wasn't it?
• 1:16:28
  This was that you weren't just watching this kind of big fight
• 1:16:30
  feel you're watching a man live his dream, which might sound a
• 1:16:34
  bit corny lame, but I think it's the truth, wasn't it Like I
• 1:16:36
  don't think it can go and said like how much that probably
• 1:16:39
  actually meant to him. Yeah, I think as well you.
• 1:16:42
  Gotta think, you know, he's gone out there, but he's also gone
• 1:16:44
  out there against probably the best wrestler in the modern era.
• 1:16:48
  And then obviously promise got beat, but it's not about the
• 1:16:52
  wins and losses, right. But he's he's told a fantastic
• 1:16:54
  story. He's put over the the the
• 1:16:56
  biggest thing in in the the biggest thing in the modern era.
• 1:16:59
  What's been going on lately over the past five or ten years?
• 1:17:02
  It's it's been the rise of Roman Reigns, right in the last five
• 1:17:04
  years with the borderline. It's huge, right.
• 1:17:06
  So he's gone in there with Roman Reigns and he's, you know, given
• 1:17:10
  a fantastic account for himself, put him over.
• 1:17:13
  He's now give Roman Reigns the keys to sort of take this
• 1:17:15
  forward. And, you know, he's back on
• 1:17:17
  television. He's going to be back throughout
• 1:17:20
  the summer. And yeah, he's really handed off
• 1:17:25
  to Robin out for Roman to really deliver for the company.
• 1:17:27
  No, and it's impressive how far. He's come because I remember I
• 1:17:30
  had double check this, but like when we went to clash in the
• 1:17:32
  Castle at Cardiff, it was when we were driving home hungover
• 1:17:36
  the next day that the kind of AW all in fallout would happened.
• 1:17:39
  We obviously he runs, you know, he goes off in the press
• 1:17:42
  conference and like who would have thought then?
• 1:17:44
  Like what was that like 6-6 years ago now, maybe if not
• 1:17:48
  short. I like, who would have thought
• 1:17:49
  when we were driving home hungover from Clash at the
• 1:17:51
  Castle and punks going off in AW that like you'd be walking in to
• 1:17:55
  a WrestleMania night 2 main event is the champion and just
• 1:17:58
  looking like, you know, $1,000,000.
• 1:18:00
  He's come a long way really since that's like, I don't think
• 1:18:03
  when he re debuted, I would ever have seen it going this well.
• 1:18:06
  And I love him, but like in not even a way where it wouldn't
• 1:18:09
  have gone this well because of like his personality, just
• 1:18:11
  because, you know, anything can happen.
• 1:18:13
  But yeah, like, you know, not last.
• 1:18:15
  The the you know, what many people think is the real main
• 1:18:18
  event, the Sunday night against the biggest guy of the last 10
• 1:18:21
  years. Massive, certainly.
• 1:18:23
  Is and I think. Yeah, obviously, and we've got
• 1:18:28
  to thank the creation of AW and 20 Con They got they got Sam
• 1:18:31
  Punk back into wrestling then obviously ended badly, you know,
• 1:18:34
  and for for both parties right then it has led to Punk being
• 1:18:39
  back here doing meaningful stuff and right here in the biggest
• 1:18:43
  time of them all in this main event.
• 1:18:45
  Yep, definitely What? Was your thought in the match?
• 1:18:49
  I thought it was excellent like you say you.
• 1:18:50
  Said the time that runs over half an hour, but it never felt
• 1:18:53
  like a slog. Once they tell a brilliant story
• 1:18:55
  where kind of, you know, punk reference to the old man thing.
• 1:18:58
  Punk gets a bit cocky, Roman gets a bit cocky.
• 1:19:01
  Like it just, it flowed so well, like from start to finish it was
• 1:19:04
  aggressive, it was bloody. And I think you got the right
• 1:19:08
  result in the end. That kind of leaves the door
• 1:19:10
  open for Round 2. Certainly does.
• 1:19:14
  I don't. Forget that straight away or
• 1:19:15
  not, but it certainly does I think.
• 1:19:17
  I think Punk gave everything and now he got the win.
• 1:19:22
  But obviously he. Tired himself out now I bet
• 1:19:25
  where he hits the GTS, Roman slumps on the ropes and lands on
• 1:19:29
  his shoulders very soon. That what Seth did when it was
• 1:19:31
  Seth versus Punk on the 1st row on Netflix and then Punk it with
• 1:19:35
  the GTS again. Got the win if you remember.
• 1:19:37
  Obviously this time Punk gets him up that he can't hold them
• 1:19:40
  up and that's what his punks down for, is that he's expended
• 1:19:43
  all of his energy both emotionally and physically.
• 1:19:46
  And obviously Roman's able to nail him as some vicious Spears
• 1:19:49
  and get there and get the win. But yeah, I thought, I thought
• 1:19:52
  both of them went hell for another.
• 1:19:53
  Both of them expended everything they had.
• 1:19:56
  Punk. Came so close so it.
• 1:19:58
  Leaves the question mark if things happen a little
• 1:19:59
  differently, could Punk have won?
• 1:20:00
  Possibly. So it does leave it open for a
• 1:20:02
  second match. I think it leaves them
• 1:20:05
  respecting each other. I know that there's been a
• 1:20:07
  hatred in the build up, but I think.
• 1:20:09
  Like both these guys have to respect each other so much right
• 1:20:11
  now. And then again, like Punk
• 1:20:13
  selling, like Aftermath, Punk sold how much it had taken out
• 1:20:16
  of him throughout the the whole match afterwards as well.
• 1:20:20
  Yeah. And there was like.
• 1:20:21
  Like I say, it was just, it flowed so well, like kind of
• 1:20:23
  pointing out some kind of really cool little bits in the match
• 1:20:25
  itself. I thought when Roman had Punk
• 1:20:27
  hung upside down in the turnbuckle on the outside and he
• 1:20:30
  delivered a lot of Superman punches, I thought that was
• 1:20:32
  excellent. I quite like the little bit
• 1:20:33
  where Punk's kind of sitting in the front row, the crowd and he
• 1:20:36
  suck as Roman in that kind of old school veteran take, getting
• 1:20:39
  the young boy in there to kind of get the thing.
• 1:20:41
  And I thought, yeah, it was. I enjoyed the Shield powerbomb
• 1:20:45
  through the table. Obviously they've kind of gone
• 1:20:47
  well, that history there as well.
• 1:20:48
  So yeah, it was one of those ones where it was just a really
• 1:20:49
  well pace match, told an excellent story and there was
• 1:20:52
  some really cool stand out spots as well.
• 1:20:56
  There certainly was, I think. This was how you end
• 1:20:58
  WrestleMania weekend. This is how you ended a perfect
• 1:21:01
  ending. No 100%.
• 1:21:03
  And that's the kind of 1 where I think if you were going to just
• 1:21:06
  give like a very short analysis of this two nights, it was a
• 1:21:09
  mixed bag. But you know, if it's going to
• 1:21:12
  be a mixed bag, make sure you go out as strong as possible.
• 1:21:14
  And I think night 2 was definitely the better of the two
• 1:21:16
  nights in this main event for me.
• 1:21:18
  I think it's up there with some of the best main events of all
• 1:21:21
  time when it comes to WrestleMania.
• 1:21:23
  Great build, really good story and it kind of puts things in a
• 1:21:26
  new perspective is the way we'll go next.
• 1:21:29
  It does indeed. That brings them to our look at
• 1:21:31
  the matches. Something I didn't notice, which
• 1:21:33
  I wasn't expecting was obviously or English commentators were of
• 1:21:37
  course Michael Cole and Wade Barrett.
• 1:21:38
  That was for both nights on all matches, so there wasn't any
• 1:21:41
  brand split. Obviously that was probably
• 1:21:43
  because on the pre show on poor show panel, Joe Testedor on
• 1:21:47
  Corey Graves. What on that?
• 1:21:49
  What your thoughts on just being Michael Cole on Wade Barrett for
• 1:21:51
  every match? I think they're probably.
• 1:21:53
  My 2 favorites out of the current 1 so I didn't mind this.
• 1:21:56
  It gives it that consistency as well, I suppose.
• 1:21:59
  And Jay and I see obviously Joe Tessito and Corey were doing the
• 1:22:02
  the post match stuff, but they also called the Smackdown
• 1:22:05
  leading into WrestleMania. So at least they got their
• 1:22:07
  little kind of moment in the sun there.
• 1:22:09
  But yeah, I like it. It's consistent.
• 1:22:11
  You know, Michael Cole got a lot of kind of praise from people at
• 1:22:14
  the Hall of Fame this year and kind of Wade Barrett said his
• 1:22:17
  piece at the start of WrestleMania.
• 1:22:18
  He is the voice of that company now.
• 1:22:20
  And I think Wade Barrett is the better of the kind of second
• 1:22:24
  option, Do you know what I mean? Out of him and Corey Graves, and
• 1:22:25
  that's not a slight on him. I think Barrett.
• 1:22:27
  I think Barrett's really good. I'll comment.
• 1:22:28
  We actually like. What are your thoughts on him?
• 1:22:30
  Yeah, I thought he's great. It was a great job.
• 1:22:32
  I all think the the pre Sean Porsche, well, who did that?
• 1:22:35
  And then I thought these guys might all call them and we were
• 1:22:38
  fantastic on the on the main show talking about celebrity
• 1:22:42
  involvement. So of course we had the Las
• 1:22:45
  Vegas Mass choir performed called Bless America to Kill
• 1:22:47
  Fight One. And then, of course, we had
• 1:22:49
  singer-songwriter George Jonas. Sang Sauce kick off my.
• 1:22:56
  Two obviously in our build up to this, obviously I said it would
• 1:23:00
  be the Jonas plus maybe sing that anthem.
• 1:23:02
  So I was 1/3 right. We had Rob Lil Yachty, of
• 1:23:06
  course, as we mentioned with Trick Williams.
• 1:23:08
  Of course we know I show speed was in the opening of
• 1:23:10
  WrestleMania 81 in the six man tag.
• 1:23:13
  Of course, the one I years performed back an inch out and.
• 1:23:18
  Of course we know that. In the Night 1 main event, of
• 1:23:21
  course Jadi Jam has done Allison calls him Jadi rule was was
• 1:23:26
  involved. But I want to talk about the
• 1:23:31
  cold Orban for night one. And then obviously it was he did
• 1:23:35
  some other voice work for night 2 was obviously Lin Manuel
• 1:23:38
  Miranda. Of course, Mr. Hamilton himself,
• 1:23:42
  I thought, you know, he is a wrestling fan, he loves
• 1:23:44
  wrestling. And I just think he did a
• 1:23:45
  fantastic job of capturing the emotion of wrestling and of
• 1:23:48
  WrestleMania. And it was, it was a great cold
• 1:23:51
  open, I thought from Lin Manuel Miranda.
• 1:23:54
  No, it was, it was excellent. And it.
• 1:23:55
  Ties back into that, you know, question and general comments
• 1:23:59
  that you know as WrestleMania spectacle now that definitely
• 1:24:02
  leads into that, but that's how they get it's all right.
• 1:24:04
  You know if you want to see a WrestleMania as a spectacle you
• 1:24:06
  can't see it's anything else that they've had a few good ones
• 1:24:08
  having because didn't Mark Wahlberg did quite a good one a
• 1:24:10
  couple of years back as well. So like when it comes to it,
• 1:24:13
  it's like for all the criticism, people get it of this time if
• 1:24:16
  you know, big corporate shiny machine festival of wrestling.
• 1:24:19
  But it's like, yeah, but they do it right.
• 1:24:20
  You can do what? I mean, like that you say it was
• 1:24:22
  absolutely excellent, especially the way because you could have
• 1:24:25
  just got a man and it could have been quite generic.
• 1:24:26
  Like this is the showcase of the Immortals.
• 1:24:28
  But it was like, we'll be telling our kids where we were,
• 1:24:30
  where Cody faced Randy. Like it wasn't just in there's a
• 1:24:34
  quick money grab. There was obviously a lot of
• 1:24:36
  kind of attention put into that kind of script that he delivered
• 1:24:39
  for the monologue, no? There was indeed.
• 1:24:42
  You could tell his. Passion for pressure wrestling
• 1:24:43
  was there as well. No one is right.
• 1:24:45
  Like kind of telling. People where you were and stuff
• 1:24:47
  that mean you remember stuff. I mean, you've watched it
• 1:24:49
  together and like, you know, I hope my daughter gets into it as
• 1:24:52
  well. So like we can kind of have
• 1:24:54
  those moments as well. It's a big thing in
• 1:24:55
  WrestleMania. That's what it's about.
• 1:24:57
  It's about creating those moments and saying you were
• 1:24:59
  there when this happened. You know, I've talked about
• 1:25:01
  being there when the Hardy's came back.
• 1:25:02
  That's exciting. So yeah, it is.
• 1:25:04
  It's a you know, that's what it's all about it.
• 1:25:08
  Certainly is. Something else that aired a lot
• 1:25:10
  during WrestleMania both fights was promotion for the Netflix
• 1:25:14
  documentary Hulk Hogan. Real American, where we got, I
• 1:25:17
  think it was 44 times each night, sort of different clips
• 1:25:20
  of the show telling different stories from Hulk Hogan's
• 1:25:22
  career. I thought it was cool insight
• 1:25:24
  into what we're going to get in the documentary, although it has
• 1:25:26
  gone down online with people saying you could have had more
• 1:25:29
  matches on the card rather than showing advertisements for the
• 1:25:32
  documentary. I suppose is that WWE of Netflix
• 1:25:35
  wanted to put that on in their coverage.
• 1:25:37
  Maybe your thoughts? Well, when you were.
• 1:25:39
  When you were telling like putting the timings in for all
• 1:25:42
  the matches, I don't know if that's what you were kind of
• 1:25:43
  building because that is one of the big criticisms that I've
• 1:25:46
  seen online of like people saying, you know, the words say
• 1:25:50
  an hour and a half of wrestling on a four hour show.
• 1:25:52
  But again, that's kind of all major events now, isn't it?
• 1:25:56
  Like, do I want loads of adverts?
• 1:25:58
  No. But is that kind of what you're
• 1:26:00
  expecting? Yeah, as long as when the
• 1:26:02
  matches are on, you're enjoying them, who cares?
• 1:26:05
  But yeah, would have been both. Do you?
• 1:26:06
  I mean, they've always had adverts for stuff like
• 1:26:08
  WrestleMania. It's not a new thing.
• 1:26:11
  Yeah, I think. You know, I think I saw people
• 1:26:13
  comparing to AW where it's very much a wrestling heavy product.
• 1:26:16
  Definitely their paper views are, but I think it's two
• 1:26:19
  different companies at different parts in their lifespan, right?
• 1:26:22
  So I think to compare them is a bit silly, like yes, they are
• 1:26:26
  both wrestling products, but they're both in different parts
• 1:26:30
  of their company careers and it's a both products have a
• 1:26:35
  distinctive look that is different.
• 1:26:37
  So therefore it should look different, if that makes sense.
• 1:26:40
  But I think also one thing I do agree with is obviously so the
• 1:26:44
  whole Kogan documentary adverts, obviously were they promoting
• 1:26:47
  the Netflix documentary from the Netflix that was obviously
• 1:26:49
  probably paid for by Netflix and it was promoting their own WWE
• 1:26:53
  product. Like Netflix is trying to make
• 1:26:54
  it the home for WWE, certainly in the rest of the world, not
• 1:26:57
  America. One thing I had a gripe with was
• 1:26:59
  that after those whole Corgi documentaries adverts or clips
• 1:27:03
  had ended, then we would get like a like a timeout like we do
• 1:27:07
  during Smackdown when we watch it on in the UK on Netflix where
• 1:27:11
  it's obviously had a hard break in in America.
• 1:27:15
  But because it's on a different channel, we all get in the odd.
• 1:27:19
  So we get like a screen of nothingness.
• 1:27:21
  It sounds like we'll be back basically.
• 1:27:22
  And it's like it's almost like lounge music or like lift, lift
• 1:27:25
  music and like pictures of superstars.
• 1:27:28
  I always think for WrestleMania, you maybe could have had
• 1:27:31
  something a bit more fun in there.
• 1:27:32
  Like, you know, I'm not saying not an advert, but like a fun
• 1:27:35
  advert, if that makes sense. No, definitely.
• 1:27:38
  But like I say, I think it's something where because it runs
• 1:27:40
  for so long, you're always going to have these little bits and
• 1:27:42
  pieces that could be better. But overall, I think it's just
• 1:27:45
  the modern world, isn't it? You know, Netflix have the kind
• 1:27:47
  of exclusive rights to an extent of these things and they're
• 1:27:50
  going to kind of put in there what the 1 And I think you just
• 1:27:53
  it's one of those things where you just kind of kind of grin
• 1:27:54
  and bear it if you don't like it.
• 1:27:55
  Do you know what I mean? It can't be shoving, do you that
• 1:27:57
  you're getting that indeed as of now on the.
• 1:28:00
  Bright side, what was good as when that does come on, so see,
• 1:28:02
  it would play like the whole cold and Cliff like 2 minutes or
• 1:28:04
  whatever, 5 minutes, whatever, how long it was, But then it
• 1:28:07
  would go to like will be back, but then it will have the
• 1:28:09
  countdown in the corner. So you'll be like right, I'll
• 1:28:11
  going to time to go for a piss here or go get a can or I go get
• 1:28:13
  a kebab, whatever it is. Did you watch them both live
• 1:28:16
  then? Did you?
• 1:28:17
  I did, yes. So I.
• 1:28:18
  Didn't so I. Did you didn't get any of that
• 1:28:21
  on the replay? Because when you were, I was
• 1:28:23
  just waiting to kind of chip in with that.
• 1:28:25
  So I didn't watch them live because like, as we've
• 1:28:27
  discussed, I've watched all about Lesnar's Korea.
• 1:28:29
  I'm very tired. So I watched them when I got up
• 1:28:32
  with my daughter. And yeah, you didn't get that on
• 1:28:34
  the replays. Well, there we go.
• 1:28:36
  I didn't. Watch, I rewatched Night 2 this
• 1:28:39
  morning and I didn't notice George Jonas singing he.
• 1:28:43
  Wasn't on, that's what. I was going to ask you there as
• 1:28:45
  well. That didn't show the national
• 1:28:47
  anthems on the on the delays. So that was on the live
• 1:28:50
  broadcast I've. Seen it and I enjoyed it.
• 1:28:53
  Yeah, so I haven't seen. That so I got the more condensed
• 1:28:59
  version indeed. Is there anything about?
• 1:29:01
  WrestleMania 42 that you want to mention that we have not
• 1:29:04
  mentioned, I think the only other thing to pick.
• 1:29:06
  Out wasn't WrestleMania, but it was good to see Royce Keys
• 1:29:09
  winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal on the
• 1:29:11
  Smackdown Go home show. They've done some good video
• 1:29:14
  packages with him over the last week and he's another one who I
• 1:29:16
  think will see some big things out of in the next couple of
• 1:29:19
  months. So I think overall I enjoyed
• 1:29:21
  both nights. As we've said, Night 2
• 1:29:23
  definitely the stronger. I think Punk Rains goes down as
• 1:29:25
  one of the best main events of all time.
• 1:29:28
  And again, I think what comes next I'm excited for.
• 1:29:31
  You've made a star over Fermi. You've got Trick Williams as the
• 1:29:33
  US champion. Who does Roman defend against
• 1:29:35
  first pages back? I think because I think the last
• 1:29:39
  couple of years, the row after Mania has been a bit
• 1:29:41
  disappointing. But I think I think we could see
• 1:29:43
  see some things tonight that we're not expecting.
• 1:29:45
  Do you think over? Fermi goes straight for Roman.
• 1:29:47
  Reigns I, don't I. Just I think that next year's
• 1:29:53
  Mania Summer slam at the earliest.
• 1:29:57
  We will see. We will.
• 1:29:58
  See yes, I think Roman Reigns and pun goes down as an all time
• 1:30:00
  classic, one of the greatest main events in WrestleMania
• 1:30:02
  history along with some of the fantastic ones.
• 1:30:05
  Again, I thought Cody Norton was was great.
• 1:30:07
  You know, I think if you take part out of it, if they had had
• 1:30:08
  a fantastic wrestling match, it told the story and I think
• 1:30:13
  Randy. Getting the other hand on Cody.
• 1:30:15
  I think if that had been the night to end in, you don't want
• 1:30:17
  to end on a downer maybe. So you don't do that because it
• 1:30:19
  was night one. Like, yeah, have Orton hit him
• 1:30:22
  with a belt and punt him because it then keeps that storyline
• 1:30:25
  alive a little bit longer, which we will see where it goes.
• 1:30:27
  And I think it could go to better places.
• 1:30:29
  Fingers crossed providing Randy's back is all right.
• 1:30:35
  But yeah, I think that brings an end to our.
• 1:30:36
  WrestleMania coverage Luke it does a.
• 1:30:39
  Little cheeky Monday show. It was good to do, I say,
• 1:30:41
  because it was just so much and we don't want to take away from
• 1:30:43
  our lovely format we've got going on a Wednesday.
• 1:30:45
  So no, it's been good to recap it all as a full review so that
• 1:30:48
  we don't miss anything. Yeah.
• 1:30:50
  So this is of course an. Extra special bonus episode
• 1:30:52
  where we've just covered WrestleMania 42 or normal
• 1:30:55
  programming will resume on its usual time.
• 1:30:58
  So of course you'll get all your favorite segments including week
• 1:31:01
  in review, including a moment in time including did they really
• 1:31:06
  see that including cursed by the wrestling gods and of course the
• 1:31:09
  feel good wrestling fact of the week and of course a Good
• 1:31:11
  Housekeeping as well. So do get your messages coming
• 1:31:13
  in by interacting with us through Instagram at SES
• 1:31:16
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• 1:31:20
  comments. If we hadn't this episode, I
• 1:31:23
  think Wednesday episode we make for as long.
• 1:31:25
  That's what we wanted to avoid. We want to try and keep them
• 1:31:28
  where the they're not too long, if that makes sense.
• 1:31:30
  So Luke, I'm glad you enjoyed WrestleMania and thank you very
• 1:31:33
  much for chatting wrestling with me.
• 1:31:35
  Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it as.
• 1:31:37
  Well, I'm glad you got to see George Jonas, because I know
• 1:31:39
  you're a big fan of the Jonas Brothers.
• 1:31:41
  Oh yes, I'm burning up. Burning up for them, baby, is
• 1:31:44
  what I say about the Jonas Brothers.
• 1:31:47
  So yes, thank you very much listeners for hope you guys all
• 1:31:50
  enjoyed WrestleMania. Obviously it's subjective, you
• 1:31:53
  know, some bits probably better than us, but I hope you hope you
• 1:31:54
  enjoyed it overall. And of course, it all begins
• 1:31:57
  again starting tonight on Monday Night Raw And Luke, as always,
• 1:32:01
  you know, it's still really worse.
• 1:32:03
  Damn it, damn it.