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Patriots Unfiltered 10/14: Jets Preview, Matchups to Watch, Patriots HOF Talk · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 4: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered, presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 1: But are you settling in?
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  Speaker 5: I'm settling in. I'm getting more used to it, yes.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 1: It's just objectively better for Deuce and I. You sound
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  Speaker 1: like you're getting sick, too. I'm getting sick. I just, like,
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  Speaker 1: I talk too much. I got a little bone to
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  Speaker 1: pick with you, actually, Paul. You have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bones to pick with.
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  Speaker 4: Uh-oh, uh-oh.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of attacked me a little bit on the post-game
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  Speaker 1: show where I pointed out that I thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a little weird to me that on the hook and ladder,
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  Speaker 1: Chisholm threw it overhand. And you were like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you talking about?
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  Speaker 4: They do that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: Have you ever watched hook and ladder before? Blah, blah, blah. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say that. Let me finish.
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  Speaker 5: I snapped at you about not knowing if it was
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  Speaker 5: a design play or not.
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  Speaker 4: He's been just fuming for three days.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 4: They do throw it over. And I know they do.
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  Speaker 4: You know what?
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  Speaker 1: Perillo.
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  Speaker 5: They got to do something about it. The officiating, I think,
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  Speaker 5: is causing some problems in these games.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you watch Patriots Unfiltered this week on TV,
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  Speaker 4: I might have a solution for that.
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  Speaker 5: Why don't you just tell me what the solution is?
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  Speaker 1: Idiots. This is Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 5: Presented by Toyota.com.
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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 4: Alright, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 4: Gillette Stadium, and we're light one person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently Evan was sick.
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  Speaker 4: Evan Lazar, I'm not sick, is sick, or at least
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  Speaker 4: he might be.
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  Speaker 1: He's in the process of getting checked.
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  Speaker 4: He's at urgent care right now, getting checked, because his
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  Speaker 4: buddy Barth came down with a case of strep.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if you can say that. Is
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  Speaker 1: that a HIPAA violation?
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  Speaker 4: Is that a HIPAA?
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  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so good for Evan getting checked out, being precautious
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  Speaker 1: instead of getting us all infected. He's not sick. He
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  Speaker 1: just talks a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you didn't talk at all yesterday. You were
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  Speaker 1: just in your film grind. So hopefully he's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's getting checked out, getting the test. I'm
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  Speaker 4: surprised between the two of them it's not mono.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Swap and spit.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, you like that, Matt?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I used that earlier in the department meeting. People said, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you need to give that joke to a bigger audience.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there it is.
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  Speaker 4: There we go.
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  Speaker 1: And that one just gave it to hundreds of thousands
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  Speaker 1: of people. I do feel bad for Bart, though. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he had to watch an epic Josh Allen performance the
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  Speaker 1: other night, and then he gets sick. I wonder why
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  Speaker 1: he's sick.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that's why he's sick.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder why he's sick. Tough week for Bart.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. You don't want to get strep. That's bad, right?
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  Speaker 1: Is that contagious?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Have you ever had strep?
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  Speaker 1: You're about to. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had strep.
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  Speaker 1: I think I've had it once, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I had an adult form of mono. It was called
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  Speaker 4: bar Epstein.
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  Speaker 5: Epstein's bar virus.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My brother had that.
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  Speaker 4: And like for like a couple weeks every day, like
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  Speaker 4: in the afternoon, I was feeling really tired at work.
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  Speaker 4: And they were doing all these tests, you know, like
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  Speaker 4: for blood tests. They couldn't figure out what was going on.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you always think the worst. And finally, they
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  Speaker 4: got the Eureka. They figured out that's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: Is that walking mono? Is that something? Am I making
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  Speaker 1: that up? I've heard of something called walking mono.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: Once I got on the right medicine, then I was
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  Speaker 4: good to go. But yeah, like it's... it's debilitating it's
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  Speaker 4: like you feel weak.
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  Speaker 1: And i had mono kept mike off of pp1 yeah
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  Speaker 1: kept me well kept me out of the lineup entirely
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  Speaker 1: paul but if.
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  Speaker 5: You were able to play your sophomore year you would
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  Speaker 5: have been on pp1 i would say at some point
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  Speaker 5: junior senior year you know it was bad set you
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  Speaker 5: back like the like the game i was ready to
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  Speaker 5: come back i wasn't sure if i was going to
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  Speaker 5: get the play you know you're kind of you come
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  Speaker 5: back you're in the fifth sixth defenseman and uh During
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  Speaker 5: the day, my girlfriend made me drive to New Hampshire
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  Speaker 5: because I think she wanted me to buy her a car.
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  Speaker 1: It was not happening. But anyway, long story short, she.
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  Speaker 5: Wanted you to buy her a car?
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  Speaker 1: I'm still curious about that. I'm like, why did we
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  Speaker 1: drive to New Hampshire to look at cars? I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not buying you a car. Anyway, so we got back.
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  Speaker 1: And I wasn't expecting really to play. And then I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Deuce, you're in. And I think we played
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  Speaker 1: UMass Boston. And oh, my God, I played so bad. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: I got, like, beat right off the face, like, face
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  Speaker 1: off center ice. Center wins it, kind of dupes around
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  Speaker 1: the little center, and then just right through me, right down,
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  Speaker 1: and scored, and off the ice, so. It was tough.
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  Speaker 1: It was tough. No, not good. I did lose about
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  Speaker 1: 15 pounds, though, so that was positive in college. That
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  Speaker 1: was a positive. Right. Got my beach body back. Thanks, Mono.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you.
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  Speaker 4: All right. It's turn-the-page day.
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  Speaker 7: It is.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to talk about the New Jersey Jets and
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  Speaker 4: what kind of challenge this game creates for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: It's a division game, so you can never take those lightly.
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  Speaker 4: And I would say between the next two games, this
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  Speaker 4: one and Thursday's game against the Bears, I think this
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  Speaker 4: one is more important to win.
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  Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Don't you think?
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  Speaker 5: I would agree. Division game, more important.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Got to hold serve at home against this Jets
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  Speaker 1: team here in year two.
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  Speaker 4: So we need to head out of Sunday with a
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  Speaker 4: win somehow. So let's talk about the current state of
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  Speaker 4: the Jets. You've got Geno Smith as a quarterback, and
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  Speaker 4: he owns the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 8: I know.
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  Speaker 1: So I said on our TV show, like he gives
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  Speaker 1: me that feels like he always comes here with a
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  Speaker 1: new team every fall early in the season and somehow
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  Speaker 1: plays the game of his life. So hopefully that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: happen this week. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even with the Jets, I remember he came in,
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  Speaker 5: I think, on a Thursday night and gave the Jets
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  Speaker 5: a chance to win a game here in Foxborough. So Mike,
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  Speaker 5: Mike's right. He had the last two times that we've
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  Speaker 5: seen Gino Smith. He didn't look like the guy that
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  Speaker 5: everybody else sees.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 5: He looked like a fairly competent passer.
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  Speaker 1: Seattle and the Raiders, right? Yeah. The last two.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Now in terms of, you know, other players, they've got
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  Speaker 4: some talent, you know, Garrett Wilson's a good quarter, a
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  Speaker 4: good wide receiver.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Brees Hall is questionable though, right? He's a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: He's missed the last two games. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And he's, you know, we'll see what happens now.
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  Speaker 5: You get the, the, first practice participation reports come out
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  Speaker 5: on Wednesday. So he and AD Mitchell have both missed
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  Speaker 5: the last few games. I think Mitchell's missed the last three.
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  Speaker 5: I think earlier in the week, Aaron Glenn expressed some
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  Speaker 5: optimism on, on Mitchell. I don't think he's a great player,
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  Speaker 5: but I do think it adds to their sort of
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  Speaker 5: depth of receivers. You know, it's not just Garrett Wilson who,
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  Speaker 5: If Mitchell can play the rookie, Omar Cooper.
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  Speaker 1: Has been on IR.
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  Speaker 5: He's now eligible to return so they could get him
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  Speaker 5: back in the mix. Looks like they're going to probably
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  Speaker 5: be without their, their young talented tight end though. Kenyon Sadiq,
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  Speaker 5: who is in, but he's at least going to start
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  Speaker 5: the week in concussion protocol. So yeah, don't know. Don't
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  Speaker 5: know how that one's looking right now.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Now it looked like the, the Garrett Wilson
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  Speaker 1: show to me last week. I mean, he's really good. Um,
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  Speaker 1: It seems like Gino Smith's ready to throw it to
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  Speaker 1: him anywhere he is. Good week to get Gonzo back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: good week to get Gonzo back. I did have a
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  Speaker 1: chance to read Evan's game plan, which a couple things
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  Speaker 1: he pointed out was defensively, really, they want to play
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  Speaker 1: man defense and they want to blitz. So I think
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  Speaker 1: that's two things. If they stick with that, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of feeds into what Drake likes going into last week,
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  Speaker 1: just getting those outside matchups, being able to take shots
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  Speaker 1: down the field. So we'll see if Aaron Glenn... alters
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  Speaker 1: his approach at all, but David Bailey's been off to
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  Speaker 1: a really good start.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't know why you would play predominantly man
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  Speaker 5: against Drake May as a runner. And I would say
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  Speaker 5: the same thing that Fred talked about yesterday when we
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  Speaker 5: were talking about the Monday night game with the Rams
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  Speaker 5: and the Bills. I just don't know why you would
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  Speaker 5: approach Josh Allen that way either. Let these guys pick
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  Speaker 5: up free yards with their legs.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see with A.J. Brown, too. Is he, you know,
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  Speaker 1: any announcement on him today? Mike Rabel said it's possible.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that means yes or no, but
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  Speaker 1: we'll see today if A.J. Brown is.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think? I mean, we haven't seen any
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  Speaker 5: practice reports yet. What would your feeling be if he's
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  Speaker 5: going to play Sunday?
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  Speaker 4: I say no.
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  Speaker 1: I say no play Sunday.
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  Speaker 4: He'll be at practice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he'll practice this week. I agree with
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  Speaker 5: Fred and Mike.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't think he'll play Sunday. But I wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: mind getting him against Chicago next week and If he
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  Speaker 1: hasn't played a game, then he's a little fresh for
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  Speaker 1: that game.
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  Speaker 5: Then he gets an extended break after that.
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's more important that one of the two
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  Speaker 4: quarterbacks plays, if not both.
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  Speaker 1: I can't help but wonder with Carlton Davis if it
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  Speaker 1: did feel like, you know what?
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  Speaker 5: We can get by this week without. Let's get this.
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  Speaker 1: Neck thing a week off of a game and try
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  Speaker 1: to get him a little boosted in his recovery because
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  Speaker 1: he's been dealing with. What is a neck?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a stinger. I think it's a neck
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  Speaker 5: injury that he kind of aggravated. But yeah, I think
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  Speaker 5: that there's a fair chance that you get both of
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  Speaker 5: those guys back for the game. And I agree with Fred.
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  Speaker 5: With the depth of receivers, I do think if those
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  Speaker 5: guys are all healthy.
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  Speaker 1: And Geno Smith is a competent player, they would have
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  Speaker 1: a chance, I think, to exploit a secondary without those
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  Speaker 1: two guys again.
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  Speaker 5: Their offensive line is pretty good. They have two young
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  Speaker 5: tackles that they're high on with Membu and Fashanu, or Fashanu,
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 4: It is, right?
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  Speaker 1: Fashanu? It's called Fashanu.
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  Speaker 4: I like Fashanu. Olu. Olu.
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  Speaker 1: Fashanu. I don't know. Fashanu.
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  Speaker 4: But going back to their defense, they had eight sacks
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  Speaker 4: last week, but they weren't all, some.
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  Speaker 1: Of them were kind of, No, but they've, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the game. Yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think Bailey's a really good one. Well, those are big.
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  Speaker 1: That's how they closed out the game. They were only
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  Speaker 1: up five. I don't think Geno has an interception. I
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  Speaker 1: think they've got two turnovers last week, but three on
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  Speaker 1: the season. Like, they've been playing pretty clean football. You know, it's.
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  Speaker 5: I'm always leery of those. Like, unless it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: he's got 18 touchdowns and no interceptions.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not leery of that.
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  Speaker 5: But six touchdowns, no interceptions tells me he's not making
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  Speaker 5: a lot of plays.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. He's not making a lot of plays.
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  Speaker 4: Or Mac Jones' first half of his rookie season. They
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  Speaker 4: didn't let him throw the ball to.
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  Speaker 1: The end zone. I don't know where they're at with Geno.
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  Speaker 1: I think with him, what we've seen over the past
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  Speaker 1: few years is he starts good and then starts to
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  Speaker 1: tail off and not be so great. Hopefully they can
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  Speaker 1: you know, encourage that. But it's just generally where the
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  Speaker 1: teams are right now. The Patriots seem like they're a
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  Speaker 1: contender and they are trying to ascend to the playoffs
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  Speaker 1: and the Jets are a step behind in their rebuild
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  Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, find a quarterback. I think
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  Speaker 1: their whole next draft is to find one of those
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  Speaker 1: guys that are coming out. But I think they've added
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  Speaker 1: some talent around them. I mean, really, I think they've
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  Speaker 1: done a nice job with the other stuff. I agree, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like, how do they hold? And it's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing with the Patriots and their free agents on defense.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, can Minka Fitzpatrick and those guys hold on
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  Speaker 1: long enough to get a quarterback so then it all
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  Speaker 1: comes together at once.
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  Speaker 5: But they should be able to hold on long enough
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  Speaker 5: so that the guys that you're drafting can replace them
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  Speaker 5: when they're ready as opposed to when they have to play.
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  Speaker 5: Like David Bailey, number two overall pick, he's going to play.
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  Speaker 5: But in an ideal world, maybe a third round pick
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  Speaker 5: or a fourth round pick that we're not overly familiar
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  Speaker 5: with right now is your starter next year or the
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  Speaker 5: year after, something like that. And you have those kinds
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  Speaker 5: of guys. I know that, and I didn't bring my
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  Speaker 5: depth chart, so I don't have the names in front
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  Speaker 5: of me, but they have some young corners that, have
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  Speaker 5: been up and down, but seem to be on the rise.
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  Speaker 5: I was reading a little of Ben Solak yesterday, you know,
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  Speaker 5: talking about how he's a little bit higher on the
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  Speaker 5: Jets in general, and he thinks there's a chance.
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  Speaker 1: The Jets could be in wildcard contention.
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  Speaker 5: That's the one, I think.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Brandon Stevens.
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  Speaker 5: Brandon Stevens is a former Raven.
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  Speaker 1: I know who that is.
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  Speaker 5: The other one is the one I think Solak was
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  Speaker 5: high on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 5: I do like some of the things that they've done.
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  Speaker 5: It won't matter if they don't figure out the quarterback position.
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  Speaker 5: And the first month and a half here with the
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  Speaker 5: college season has not been good news for teams like
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  Speaker 5: the Jets. You know, there's all these quarterbacks that are
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  Speaker 5: in this draft, and none of them are really separated.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they're all good, but I don't see a
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  Speaker 5: really good one in the mix. A lot of people
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  Speaker 5: are talking about the kid that transferred to Oklahoma State, Mestermaker,
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  Speaker 5: is being– He's thoroughly average. I've seen him play a
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  Speaker 5: handful of times. He's good, but I don't think he's
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  Speaker 5: anything special.
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  Speaker 4: I like what I saw out of the North Carolina kid.
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  Speaker 4: He looks like he could be a good quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, this year? Okay. I thought you were talking about
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  Speaker 1: Drake May.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see the game?
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  Speaker 5: I've seen them play. I've seen North Carolina play. They
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  Speaker 5: look like they have no offense.
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  Speaker 4: This kid looked good. He looked good.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him. Watch a little UCLA, though.
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  Speaker 4: They're streaking.
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  Speaker 1: Bob Chesney's all over the place.
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  Speaker 5: I've been rooting for your boy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Only because he was a fan of us.
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  Speaker 7: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's having a moment on social media. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you saw it. It's like pregame speech before
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  Speaker 1: going into Oregon and, you know, burning the boats and
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  Speaker 1: yelling at the guys. And one of the players from
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  Speaker 1: Holy Cross that went to the pros, shoot, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to forget his name. He's a lineman that plays with
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  Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Hanson, C.J. Hanson. And he was just saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what a motivator he is. I mean, everywhere
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  Speaker 1: he's gone, this guy has won. So it's Really cool
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  Speaker 1: just to see the whole country wake up to him,
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  Speaker 1: and now UCLA fans are terrified that he's going to
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  Speaker 1: leave and be one and done and go to keep
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  Speaker 1: moving up the chain. But it's a pretty good situation,
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: I think, at UCLA. Just lost his quarterback, though. That's
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: a tough one.
• 13:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a cheap shot, too. That was a
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: good win at Oregon for them. See if they can
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: keep it going. But with the Jets, Freddie... They're going
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: to have all those picks. I think they have three
• 13:41
  Speaker 5: more first-round picks, right?
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's never been a talent problem with them, really,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: has it? Because it's not like they miss on the picks,
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: but they can't get the quarterback.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: And this is my whole argument that I push back on.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Fred brought this up.
• 13:54
  Speaker 5: I think you brought it up yesterday when we were
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: talking about the Marvin Harrison thing, how there were a
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: lot of people, well, you've got to build the team first.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: I've seen a million teams do it that way and
• 14:03
  Speaker 5: fail just as often as I've seen the teams that
• 14:05
  Speaker 5: take the quarterback first. And the guy doesn't pan out.
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: And that fails, too. You got to get them both.
• 14:10
  Speaker 4: I've always said if you have the chance to get
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: your quarterback or your head coach, get it.
• 14:15
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: Just go get it. Doesn't matter anything else going on.
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: Those are the two toughest things to get right.
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: And so get them. when you have the chance and
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: then figure out the rest later.
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many, you know, I know Patriots fans
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: love to go back and look at those 20 years and,
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: you know, point out players that got away. And it's
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: not a huge list. I mean, some of that's an
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: indictment of their drafting, you know, Nikhil Harry wasn't going
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: on to, to excel anywhere else. But, you know, you
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: look around the league with like Sam Donald, Leonard Williams,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: both on the Seahawks and, you know, sauce Gardner. I mean,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: he hasn't had the success yet, but a lot of
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: these guys are really good players and they leave there
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: and they are really good players elsewhere. And, It's just
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: got to be tough as a Jets fan because it
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: just feels like looking for the quarterback.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: But they were really, I mean, aside from Darnold, those
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: other guys were really good players with the Jets.
• 15:00
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: Like, it just, Quentin Williams was a stud with the Jets.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter if you don't have it all. Like,
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: you need to have good players and a good quarterback,
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: not just one or the other. And then Fred's right
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: about the coach, too. You know, if you don't have
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: a good coach, sometimes that can hold you back.
• 15:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: I saw, like, Adam Gase took a lot of the
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: blame for Sam Darnold. You know, like, he wasn't great
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: in developing him.
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: We should mention, looking ahead to Thursday, in the category
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: of it always works out for the Patriots, we have
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: a PED.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, Montez Sweat.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: Montez Sweat.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Call for the Bears next week. Two games.
• 15:39
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: So he'll be out for Thursday night?
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, that's a tough break for the Bears.
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think the Patriots are necessarily, you know, and
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: I'm the snarky one. The Patriots won't have to apologize
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: to anybody with the way their season's been going with
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: the personnel that they've been missing from game to game.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Caleb Williams is the big question there.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: That would be the biggest thing for me. If he
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: doesn't play.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: They got it. be pretty bad last week by the Packers.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was surprising.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: I hope Caleb Williams does play.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, me too.
• 16:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I want to see the defense against him.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: But he, he's going to need to play this week
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: and then, because if he just comes back and then
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: he's not ready, you know what I mean? Like, but
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: if he plays this week and he's physically fine, then,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: you know, game on.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: They get him an unguide back to, I mean, it's,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I think that they want that two headed monster running
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: back that there's been really effective, not quite as effective
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: without him, but, No, that'll be a quick turnaround. I mean,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: this is interesting week here, eight days that we have
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: for these Patriots. Two winnable games, I would say, but
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: it's just always a challenge on Thursday Night Football to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: go on the road against an NFC opponent you don't
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: really know all that well.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: I think that's going to be a really hard game.
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: And if Caleb Williams plays, if it's Tyson Bajan or whatever,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: then whatever. But I think that'll be a really tough game.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it'll be interesting to see what
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson shows you about your defense and how he
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: chooses to attack you. I mean, I would expect to
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: They do have their two backs to really, I mean,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: that's the thought that kept coming to me watching Buffalo
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: run James Cook and having so much success. And it
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: was like, if I'm a Bills fan, I'm watching this
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: being like, why didn't you try this against the Patriots?
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Because they're not the most stout team up front. You know,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I would have tested their run defense a lot more.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: I expect Chicago will do the same. Yeah, I just
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: think it's plays.
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: You know, my bigger takeaway from the Buffalo game is
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: why did Josh Allen run the ball 10 times every
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: game but only like four times against the Patriots.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Was it just what the Patriots did?
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: Did they just prevent him from running and, you know,
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: the discipline pass rush?
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Was that all it was?
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: Cause when he's moving the chains with his legs, that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: adding plays. Now I can run James cook more.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: You know, they still should have run James cook more
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: than 12 times. I, I mean, I, I get that, but,
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: you know, there was stretches of that game where they
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: moved the ball and scored. So it's not like they needed,
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: you know, they got some big plays in that game
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: and kind of kept the plays down.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you don't pile up
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: 20 carries. It was only 12.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: I agree with Mike. They still should have run James
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Cook more than that. But I think with Chicago, if
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: they're healthy, now their defense is suspect. Their secondary is
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: flat out bad. So the Patriots should be able to
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: score in Chicago, but If you run the ball, if
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: the Bears run the ball, that's how they possess it.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: And that's when they played the Jets a couple of
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: weeks ago. They held the ball for 44 minutes.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's the formula. I try, you know, but
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: no guarantee. But, you know, and then Caleb Williams comes
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: back in the mix, and then it's a whole other, like,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you know, hard to read. Going to make good plays.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Extend plays.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: You know, extend plays. I mean, he's fun to watch.
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: He's tremendous.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Going back to the Jets.
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: Oh, right.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Aside from turnovers. How do the Jets pull off a
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: win against the Patriots? Because I think the Patriots should
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: go in favor. What's the early spread here?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's like seven.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: Seven, yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a big spread.
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: Might catch the answer.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Brees Hall and Braylon Allen. Or what do they think?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Braylon.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Braylon Allen. Sorry, I was thinking of Braylon Edwards for
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a second there. Who had a big game last week
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: without Brees Hall in, and he's a big back. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: liked him coming out. He's kind of raw and young, but. 6'2, big,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: powerful guy. We talked, too, about last week. He's playing
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: in the rain. It's not as easy to tackle a
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: huge freight train like that, but I'd expect to see
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: both those guys. Brees Hall's ready to go. That's the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: best way, especially if there's some uncertainty about your receiving core.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: You don't have Sadiq. Mason Taylor's okay, but that's the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: route to me. I think this Patriots run defense has
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to prove that they can get to a level that
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Is it going to hinder them? It's a concern of
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: mine right now about the run defense. I'm totally with Mike.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: The formula for the Jets is 100 yards from Brees
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: Hall or Braylon Allen if Hall is not healthy. A
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: solid game from Garrett Wilson. He can't be taken out
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: of the game. And he really hasn't been for the
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: most part. Even though he's kind of the only guy
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: he gets his generally.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: He's used to it, man.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: But more importantly, it's, it's not just like big plays
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: to score. It's ball control.
• 20:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Keep the Patriots on the sideline.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Right. And, and, their pass rush is getting after the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Patriots edge, you know.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Tackles and 17, 13.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: You know, you win that kind of a game. I
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: could see the Jets being competitive in a game like that.
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: I think right now the Patriots offense is on a roll,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: so I'm not anticipating that happening, but that would be
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: the Jets formula.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: Do you have to change up things from the Raiders
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: game to this? If you're the Patriots or it's like, no, what,
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: What work then could work this game, too?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think in a perfect world, you have
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: your cornerbacks back and you can play more man than
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you maybe could have played last week. And you can
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: man up, you know, not just Garrett Wilson, but I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: think the other guys, you know, try to force their
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: twos and threes and fours to get off of man coverage.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So I think that would be different to me, depending
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on the personnel. You know, otherwise, they probably have to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: have a more zone-heavy plan.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you can get away with just blitzing,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: you know, indiscriminately when they have... Because I think there
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: are better receivers in a quarterback that can move a little.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: He's not overly mobile, but he's much more mobile than
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins. So I think if you wanted to have
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: the same plan that you had last week, you might
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: be opening yourself up to a player or two.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Did I hear right that the Jets worked out Matt Judon?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he got released from a practice squad. So he's been,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I think he was on maybe the 49ers or the Rams,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: somewhere in California, I forget where. But yeah, he's still,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: you know, it's funny these guys, Some of these veterans have, like,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: a second life as, like, practice squad guy. And they
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: kind of kick around to different teams. And, you know,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping for a chance or an injury maybe to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: get back in. But it was funny to see Judon
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: still kicking around. Red sleeves.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: We'll have green sleeves.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Green sleeves.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: In this game.
• 21:55
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: So we're liking our chances here.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: I like the Patriots offense right now. I mean, let's
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: see what. let's see what it looks like today. Who's available.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Who isn't.
• 22:07
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: That'll, that'll color it a little bit.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: I'm a little worried about this running back situation.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I just, I don't want to pile
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: it all on Ramond Ray and be like, okay, get
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: through the next, how many games are allowed? You know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: 12 games. I'm fine with it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean like in the short term, I wouldn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: want to play like 12 games with one running back,
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: but for, for, for a month, but he's, he's banged up.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And, uh, So they brought back Hassan Haskins, too, in
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the practice squad.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: They'll probably elevate him.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, him or Lane Larrison. Going back to yesterday's conversation
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: where Lane Larrison more of a third down kind of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: back like Rex Burkhead. Haskins probably more of an early
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: down back. I don't know how they'll balance it all out,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: but maybe see more Corey Kiner.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I think you're going to see a lot of passing. Yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: That's why I'm not overly worried about the running back
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: situation in the short term. I don't, again, I don't
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: want to go a whole year with one running back.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: That's hard.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Like that's really rolling the dice.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Be interested though. This is Paul's kind of game.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: It's going to be, but I think that's what they do.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: They haven't really run the ball overly effectively for most
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: of the season.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You know, and it had some moments, but not nothing consistent.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Just disappointing for Henderson. You know, I just, I don't know.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: He was a little bit under the radar. I feel like,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, some people like to me, he was under there.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of fantasy people were thinking
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: he's RB one and he's got this explosiveness and, um,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: you know, and just, he's got to round out his game.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I just would love to see some more consistency.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: It can't all be, I'm going to give you two
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: big plays and 14, two and a half yard plays,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you know, and, I don't know. I just am a
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: little disappointed how it's all worked out. He had an
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: ankle injury in the summer that, and I'm not his fault.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, how it all kind of came together.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Ankle injury in the summer doesn't really get going. And
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: now he's got another ankle injury and it's going to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: be out for a bit.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: So to me, the corners that Fred talked about off
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: the top of the show, assuming that they get at
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: least one of those guys back, I'm anticipating both of
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: them coming back, but assuming one, I think that sort
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: of stabilizes, you know, stops the bleeding with the health
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: problems on defense if you get those two guys back. Offensively,
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: I'm not as concerned about the Henderson situation. Campbell's a loss. Like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: you're going to plug in Caleb Lomu at left tackle. But,
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: you know, Mike and I were talking before the show.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: There's good tape of him at Utah going against David Bailey,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: the young rookie pass rusher for the Jets. Lomo really
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: did a good job against him when they faced each other,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Utah and Texas Tech, in.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: A Big 12 matchup.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: So I have, at least Lomo has some familiarity with
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: the guy he's going to be seeing a lot. Will
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: McDonald on the other side.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: It's a good sub pass rusher, good situational pass rusher.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: The Jets are not without talent. This is not a
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: Miami situation where they've stripped it to the studs. Like
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: the last time we saw the Jets, Was a Miami situation.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: It was completely 30 guys that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Aren't in the league anymore.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Non-competitive. Non-competitive.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: It was a JV game. This will be more challenging
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: than that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: To Mario Davis, too. Just a good, wily vet in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the middle. Knows what's going on. Smart. Physical. Maybe doesn't
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: run as well as he used to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: The big guy that we both love in the middle
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: that they picked up from Tennessee.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Big defensive tackle. Sweat. Yeah.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Big boy.
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: Good, good, solid player. They've done a nice job of
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: sort of supplementing the roster with NFL veteran players that
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: can contribute and help. Now the hard part comes because
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: now you have to find, you know, you have, you know,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: a good receiver in Garrett Wilson and a good running
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: back in Brees Hall. So he has some good weapons.
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: You have a couple of young tackles that you like.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: Now you have to get a quarterback that can distribute
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: the ball to these guys. I think Geno Smith is
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: a good, like Kirk Cousins last week, good sort of
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: placeholder for somebody. I just don't know where you go.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: I don't know where you go in the draft based
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: on what we've seen. My luck can change, but Dante Moore,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I really like. I don't know when he's going to
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: play again. He's the one that got the ridiculous cheap
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: shot from the USC.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Game, and he hasn't played since.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: You know, Arch Manning has been a real roller coaster,
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: to use Mike's favorite term about the roller coaster.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I love roller coasters.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: There are times that he looks great, and other times
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: he looks like he doesn't process the game very well.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: I don't know where you go with these quarterbacks. Who
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: do you feel great about taking in the top five? Right,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: and being the Jets, you know they'll probably make the
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: wrong choice. I mean, I kind of like Mensah from Miami.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: You know, people worry about his size a little bit.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: I think he's big enough. I mean, I like Chambliss,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: but he is small at Ole Miss. Notre Dame's kid,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: he's one of those guys, too.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't like him at all.
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just running down the comments. Yeah, he's probably
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: going to be a first-round pick. I don't love really
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: anything about his game.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: But if you're the Jets and we're doing Jets unfiltered, J-U,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: what more do you need on offense for a quarterback?
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got Gary Wilson. You probably like Omar Cooper.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a physical guy. They seem... complimentary Kenyan
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Sadiq first tight end a weapon two tackles you know
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I mean the conversation with Drake May was like well
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you don't have the pieces in place yet there's no
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: such complaint for the Jets they've invested in all the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: key spots and it's really just waiting for him you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: know they need.
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: That quarterback that's kind of back to what I was
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: saying at the beginning you know and I agree with
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: Fred like Yeah, you could do it that way, and
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: they have. They've drafted a lot of good players over
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: the years, but they haven't been able to hit on
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: the quarterback. It was Sam Darnold who didn't pan out
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: for them. It was Wilson after that, didn't pan out
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: for them, hasn't panned out for anybody. And now you're
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: just sort of plugging in a retread veteran, which I
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: think was a good move for them. It's better than
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: putting Brady Cook out there that we saw the last
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: time the Patriots played the Jets.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah. But bridge to what?
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Bridge to mediocrity is what it is.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if Gino, if he's a one-and-donner, but
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: does he stick around to be a veteran, to break
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: a rookie in? Or do they, I mean, good quarterbacks
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: don't really hit free agency anymore, right? Like nobody that
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: you would believe in.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: Or that you could.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Well, no, you're looking for a guy. Like Kyler Murray.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: And I think you can win with guys. And I
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: think there are guys that change teams, but they're not
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: a guy that you're going to say, well, we're all
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: set a quarterback because we got this guy in free agency.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: Like it's Kyler Murray who's played better and better every week,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: by the way.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Kirk Cousins. Well, Sam Darnold.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: Cousins is beyond that, but he was once that, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: with Minnesota. He was a free agent guy that sort
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: of made Minnesota a better team. You know, but there
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: are guys that, you know, Baker Mayfield, you know, with
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Tampa is a guy that was a free agent acquisition
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: that lifted Tampa. But you're not going to get to
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: where you want to go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Long-term contender.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Generally with a guy, you know.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: Podcast at Patriots.com is the email address. Sean in South Jersey.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: I was listening to Greg Bedard, and he has been
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: poo-pooing the excitement that many have had of Drake's performance
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: last week, and he said that the Raiders' passing defense
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: was ranked toward the bottom of the league. But since
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: DVOA is based off of opponent strength and the Patriots'
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: offense struggled the first couple of weeks before the Bills,
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: then wouldn't the numbers they put up cause them to
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: now be ranked so low? I just think.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: RAIN.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Like this early in the season don't mean much given
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: the sample size. There's something to that. The sample size
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: gets more easily skewed early in the season.
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: I agree with that, but I also agree that the
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: Raiders are not a good pass defense.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, that's like, you can just, instead of having
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to rely on numbers, you could just watch them. Right.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: You can watch Tyquan Thornton, you know, get deep like
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: five times in a game before he dislocated his ankle.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: I can't tell you what number they are, one to 32,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: but they're closer to 32 than they are one. Right.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: I think they were 25 going into the week in
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: DVOA defense. But I don't care as much about stuff
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: like that. I care more about what I'm watching. And
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: Drake may, like, I could easily snarkily make an argument.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, sure.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: If you played the Raiders in week one, you wouldn't
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: have gotten off to a slow start. But I would say,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: based on what I was looking at with Drake May,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: there's a chance that he might not have played as
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: well as he did Sunday in week one, regardless of opponent.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Because he looked like a different guy.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: So I agree about the small sample size. Mike and
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I were talking about this. It's like you have all
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: these power indexes, Fred. And, you know, this team is
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: favored over that team because of what they've done in
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: the first five games of the season, which may be
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: like the Raiders last week cherry-picked. Well, they beat a
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: winless Chargers team. They beat a winless Dolphins team. And
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: they beat a one-win New Orleans team. Well, that's going
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to make their numbers all look good.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: That was a terrible.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Terrible strong. That was not a very good team. We
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: watched them the other day. Did they look like a
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: good team?
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Well, we made them look bad. I agree. I agree.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: But did you notice anything about that team that you said, well,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: that's really good other than Brock Bowers?
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, other than Brock Bowers, though.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: And, you know, they came in 3-1.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: So the football power index has them ranked as such.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And you struggled in the first few games because you
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: played Seattle and Jacksonville. And you're down here, and you're
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: only favored by three and a half points.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: Like Bill said.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: I said that I thought it would be closer to
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: a touchdown.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: The season starts after Thanksgiving. That's when it starts.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Well, when you guys look back.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, you can be out of it at Thanksgiving if
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: you don't play well enough.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: You guys are skewed because you watched a great team
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: for 20 years play, but do you feel watching September
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: games that those were indicative of who those specific Patriots
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: teams were? I remember a lot of weird September games
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of like, Some of them. They're in a life and
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: death battle with the Bills, you know, and then end
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: of the season. I mean, I know. Oh, sick.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't want to just say Patriots. But
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: when you had guys like Brady or Peyton Manning, you
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: knew like it was just so consistent most of the time.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: I mean, the Patriots opened a lot of seasons like eight.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: No, nine.
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: You know, like so they didn't always struggle in September.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, I know. But but there were some times that,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: you know, there were games that you're like, oh, sure.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: This is weird.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, yeah. Sometimes it is true. I mean,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: the Wildcat game, you know, like, it was like, okay,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: this team's got some issues that, you know, maybe.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: We weren't quite around. That was later in the season, right?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: No, that was early. Was it? Week two, I think.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Week three, I think.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Oh, was it that early?
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Three, yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: It was after the Jets. That might have been one
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: of my more frustrating games.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Because they just kept doing it. I was like, can't
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: you just figure this out?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Make an adjustment. Oh, I was just, Tony, what was it, Soprano? Sperano.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Sperano.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: With his glasses. I know. That was... It was part of, like, too,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: where it was like, how can this happen to Bill Belichick?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: He's a defensive genius, and they're running this random play
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: over and over, and they have no answer for it.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: Well, what really, you know, was really stood out that one.
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: So the whole game goes by, and they couldn't stop it.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: It was all sequenced off each other, too. And then
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: they figured out, you know, whatever, moving forward.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Four or five years later, they're playing Denver in Denver,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and it's Tim Tebow.
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: And the game started in a very similar way, where
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: Denver's just moving the ball all over the place with
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: these designed zone read runs, and Tebow is running all
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: over the place.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: He can't throw it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: But I want to say that we're losing 16-7 early
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: in the game. And then all of a sudden... They
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: do one of those things where, you know, Bill's got
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: his back to the game and he's talking to the
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: defense and it's just do your.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Job, blah, blah, blah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: And they never move the ball an inch again in
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: the rest of the game. And you were like, why
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: couldn't they do that against Miami in that Wildcat game?
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Why couldn't he see, oh, if we do this, this,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and this? Because he's a defensive genius. Right, right, right.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that sarcastically. Right, right, right.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: Like, why couldn't he do it that day against Miami?
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: But he had the answer so quickly in that Denver game.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I remember that game. That's why I was so frustrated.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Like, what is going on here?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Anyway.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Barton Poland says Elijah Ponder is having one of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: best starts to a career of an undrafted player in
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: NFL history. Per Nate Tice, only six undrafted players since
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: the NFL draft went to seven rounds. So 1994 have
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: had more than eight sacks in their first two seasons.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: Cameron Wake has the most with 14. Ponder already has
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: eight and a half with 12 games to go. This
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: is truly remarkable.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: If we're just going to eliminate all the other undrafted,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: like John Randall doesn't count, I guess.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: It's been a really good year. It's been a really
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: good start here for him.
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: He's been their best edge guy.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: As everybody who watches this show knows, I was crazy
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: concerned about all that. I still am. They've been really good.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: They've been really solid. The way I frame it is
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I don't see them as dominant edge presences. I just
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: see them as fundamentally solid players within the defense who...
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: don't get out of position. And, you know, but ponder,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, ponder on the strip stack one that, you know, he,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: he can still win off the edge. So they're just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: young players though, too. So I don't, you know, these
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: aren't finished products. So where they're at right now to
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: me is really encouraging. And I'm excited to, I mean,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: gay back is, is so fun to watch. Like I,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you know, just as somebody who has to watch the
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Patriots every week, getting to watch a guy who plays
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: with that kind of style, it's, it's fun to see. He's,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: he's an absolute beast. And, you know, teams trying to
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: block him with a tight end. It's like, Oh, my God.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: They're overwhelmed by this guy. So I just– I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the sky's the limit for him as he continues to develop.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: And just that trio they have, it's developed. I didn't
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: think we'd get to a point where you're like, how
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: do you get Harold Landry back in this lineup and why?
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want to– I didn't stop their depth.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: I'm not anywhere near as high in this group as
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: everybody else.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Well, no, you're definitely not.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: We need more sample size.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: But I think, Paul, your problem is that you hear
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: people getting excited about them, and you get like, well,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: they're not that good. And I'm not trying to tell
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: you that they're amazing in that you just find Miles, Garrett,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Ware. Oh, no.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I'm not being unfair in comparing them to those guys.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: But do you think it's unreasonable to say that the
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: guys have been really good? Wow. What's missing for you?
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: I don't see them doing the beating guys one-on-one like
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: you guys do. I see the linebackers being heavily involved
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: with the pressure that kind of forces the quarterback into
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: a sack. That's what I see a lot.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And I think Ponder's been the best of the group,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but I think he's also known as a pass rusher.
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: Akis, to me, is known as a physical... kind of
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: run guy who gets to the quarterback on effort. And
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: I've seen that. Draymond Jones, to me, is a little
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: bit more of a combination. And I've been really impressed
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: with his professionalism. I think he's been vitally important with
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: his toughness. And again, I know I keep talking about
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: this one play. I am so impressed with that play
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: that he made last week. Like, if Trey Tucker gets
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: around the corner on that play, we might be looking
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: at a different Game. I'm not talking about a different
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: outcome of the game. The Patriots were probably going to
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: win that game a hundred times out of a hundred,
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: but if it's 14, 14, and now instead of taking
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: over at the 40 yard line for your two minute drive,
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: maybe you take over at your 25, maybe it's 17,
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: 14 at the half instead of 21, seven at the half.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: That's a big difference.
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: And I, and I do, I kind of attribute it
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: to one play that Draymond Jones made. I think those
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: guys have been good. I don't want to make it
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: sound like I'm saying that they, they stink. I think
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: you can run at ponder. I think he's weak against
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: the run. Um, and I think at this makes incredible,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: like physical plays two or three times every game that
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: make the real, like bulldozing Dion Dawkins.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Um, And I think.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: People sort of, it might be a me thing. I
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: just think people are getting a little ahead of themselves.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I just get excited when I see a rookie play
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and play with that kind of emotion and energy and
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: you know it's just that i think is what the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: defense needs it.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Need i guess i just was expecting that of a
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: guy you know like you you're the one that you
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: put me on this guy yeah yeah like mike mike
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: mike invented gay back and i'm not lying mike mike
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: came to me during the draft process and asked me
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: to watch two or three guys and one of them
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: was gay back is I watched him for like 10
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: minutes and I went in and I was like, I
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: really like this guy.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I like the most.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: He's going to like, he's like a second round guy.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: And when they drafted him, I think we all thought
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: he's going to play immediately. And now he plays immediately.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: And everybody's like, this is unbelievable. I didn't see this coming.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's, I was expecting him to be
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: a contributor right away. Yeah.
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: So maybe I'm not as blown away by it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: As other people are. I think probably too, I had
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: a scare in camp where it was like, Oh, is
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: this guy?
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: I think sometimes his eyes get in the wrong place
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: and he's running, chasing cars a little bit at times.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: We saw them like, his first time on a football field,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: you know, like that. But I just, I think for me,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I went from, you know, your edge. Well, when I
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: went from a place of being like, I mean, it
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: was just, I think anybody who watched him knew. Hey,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to apologize.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: After I yelled at you about a hook and ladder,
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to get on your good side again. I'm
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: giving you the.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Flowers, except the flowers. We'll talk about that off air, Paul.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: No, Mike, Mike invented Accus for me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: But to go from, complete uncertainty and, you know, dream
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: on Jones. He's kind of kicked around a little bit.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Like he's not going to be able to produce the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: kind of, you know, sack numbers that, that Caleb on
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: chase on produce last year. And what are you going
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to get off the edge? And they're just going to
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: blow by, you know? So I think just having two
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: young players that you first and a second year player,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: along with a veteran, who's kind of assimilated really well
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: into the system. And you know, that that's, that's, that's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: just where I want to be. It's like, I think
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: these guys are playing really well within the defense right now.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: And as they continue to develop, I'd like to see
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: your thing. Like, they start to make plays on their own.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: But right now with those interior guys and, you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams, I think it's just they're playing complementary football
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and they're playing together. And that complement goes to the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: coaching staff for getting them ready to go.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: All right. Christian in L.A. on the phone. What's up, Christian?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Christian.
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: I always have the dour demeanor when you say that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Can you blame me? Geez. Fred doesn't like you. Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: Oh, well, thank you, Paul. That's news to me. Anyway,
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: you guys, I have heard about this guy on the Jets,
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: their edge guy. He's maybe a rookie or someone new,
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: and he's been really killing it. I know we have
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: Caleb Lomo, who's going to step in for Will Campbell, right?
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: So is Lomo going to play left tackle, or am
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: I wrong?
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: He'll probably play left tackle.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I would assume he would play left tackle.
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: So the question here today for me is if Lomo
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: plays exceptional, like let's say Will's out for three weeks
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: and Lomo plays exceptional, do we bring Will back and
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: kick him into guard or do we kick Lomo to
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: the right tackle? What happens if Lomo plays outstanding?
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: Thank you, guys.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Listen, it's a decent question.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I guess as Lomo goes back to the bench, everybody's healthy. But, yeah,
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: that would be a great development. If you now have
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: a guy that you feel really good about for the
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: rest of the season.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: For sure. I mean, that's, you know, everything goes back
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to what I just said about the edge class. They
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: feel confident in young players. And, you know, if Caleb
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Lovu can get to a point where you feel good
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: about three offensive linemen that you drafted in the last
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: two years, that's, I mean, that's goes back to the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: jets thing. Protect Drake. I mean, that that's key one.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I think at this point, if that guy has time,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: he's going to tear up defenses. So don't let, the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: well run dry up front. I mean, I look to
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the decision at right guard. I think AVT's been pretty
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: solid for them. They gave them a three-year deal. But
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: what do you do at right guard next year? That's
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a Michael Wenyu position.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Do you look at him?
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: And that's what I.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Would say to Christian's point.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Is that where you make your move?
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: That's when you start thinking, okay, so I have two
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: guys that I feel really good about left tackle. Can
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: one of those guys play guard?
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: Or can one of those guys be a right tackle,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: you know, if Morgan Moses, you know, is no longer
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: here next year? Those are some of the things that,
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: you know, smarter guys than me have to figure out.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you flop it eventually and put
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: AVT on the right side and Campbell? Because Campbell's been
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: a left tackle, you know, maybe more a left guard.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think that's a possibility, too.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: But I just think, you know, and then you throw,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you know, Marcus Bryant crown over. I don't know what
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: they're going to do, but like... you just have like,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it's not like a few years.
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: Ago where you're like, Oh my God, I don't like
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: the idea of those guys playing, just so you know. No,
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: but I just, I like having.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Guys you drafted and developed. And you know, I just,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: I come from a place a couple of years ago where,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you know, no offense to Vidarian Lowe, but it was like,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we had Vidarian Lowe and then it was like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I'm not even, you know, at
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: least you feel like, I don't know if those guys
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: would be good, but you got young players that you're
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: working with and that you're developing. And so if the
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: time comes that they have to go in, yep. you
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: know that they've been in your system a little bit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: I don't guarantee a success. When's Van Roten coming back?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: He's on IR. And I mean, he's probably one of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: the ones that you're going to have to consider. Do we,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you know, and I mean, but I don't think so.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, Ben Brown, if Ben Brown's back, I think
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: he was your top swing back up. Yeah, I agree
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: with Mike. I don't think you need Van Roten.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: But I'm just saying the depth is good.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: It's better. It's better at the tackle. I mean, of course,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see how good it is when they have to play.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: You drafted a first round guy. I mean, that's why
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: your depth is better at tackle. There's no doubt. Yeah.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: MJ writes in, I don't know if you caught, speaking
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: of Akis, I don't know if you caught the comments
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: from Brian Hoyer and David Andrews who were discussing Akis.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: using wrestling leverage concepts.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got power. I can understand why Andrews and
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: Hoyer would talk like that. I see exactly what they're
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: talking about.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: He's strong. So I wrote Akis' profile, of course, because
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: I discovered him. You invented him.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: I was the first one of anyone on the beat
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: on him. You may have been.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: But that was his head coach from high school just
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: saying he started off as an offensive lineman and kind
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: of didn't know what he was going to do, where
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: he wanted to play, and then got really into wrestling,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: and just that all kind of brought everything together, the
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: use of leverage. And I think you see it a
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: little bit, even on that play a couple weeks ago
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: where he's driving Deion Dawkins back. I think that's the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: things he understands. He understands how to get into guys
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: and get them off balance and then put them on
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: the ground. Let's see.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Power.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Kanaka from Tokyo, right? Professor? I guess Christian's prescription for
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: May's problems after the first few games was spot on.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: Threatened to bench him if he screws up again. We
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: know Vrabel is an avid listener to P.U., so we
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: must have taken his advice, and it worked. Good job.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: How else can you explain May's recent performances? There is
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: no other explanation. The truth is, Christian is an insufferable idiot. Oh,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: come on. He's a self-absorbed so-called fan who expresses confidence
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: in his opinions as a blind man does in his
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: ability to judge a painting. My question is for P.U.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: to use Christian's own wisdom on him. Since his tastes
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: are frequently wrong or unsupported, I suggest he be benched
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: for four weeks until he demonstrates a modicum of sound judgment.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: If his next call is as inane as the previous ones,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: he should ride the pine for another four weeks. That
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: would definitely be enjoyed by the rest of P.U.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Nation.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Tanaka from Tokyo. Bring in the heat.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Off the top rope.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: He's coming hard.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Bring in the heat. Let's see. Bill from Albuquerque, who's
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: stuck in Pittsburgh, wants to know, whatever happened to Antonio Gibson?
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Is he available? He was pretty good last year. I
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: think he single-handedly won the first Miami game. Was his
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: injury so bad that he's not an option? They let
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: him go.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: They released him. They released him.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: Early in the offseason.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Did he get picked up? I don't know.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Mike's looking.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: It up.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: This is wrong. This is all wrong. No, I don't
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: think so. This is, no. Okay. Let's see.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Trent and Sylvan Lake. Everyone keeps saying Dobbs is playing
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: a different role than he's equipped to play. Thought his
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: role as receiver was to catch the ball. Not sure
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: who's more of a letdown, Dobbs or Sanu. Hopefully Dobbs
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: can get his issues solved and become a reliable option
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: for the team. I'm not down on that. Everyone's down
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: on Dobbs. He had a good game two games ago.
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: Last game he had a catch and, you know, didn't
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: come up with a couple balls that maybe he should have.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: But he was, I don't know, was he playing the A.J.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Brown role? And I don't know. We need Evan to
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: tell us that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I thought a little bit in the last game he
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: was more on the outside running vertical. I mean, it
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: sent him deep on a couple of occasions. Drew passed
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: interference calls twice on deep balls.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so in the Bills game when, you know, when–
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Hollins went down. Chisholm came in for Hollins and Dobbs
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: was still running those inside, you know, medium routes. So
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: in last game, did they flip the Chisholm? So, but
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: I take the.
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: But I would also say in the Buffalo game, he
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: spent most of the game inside and then Hollins went
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: out and they put them on the outside. And that
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: was one that he didn't come up with down the
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: sideline late in the game. The next play was the
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: one to Chisholm.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: It might not have been the next play. It might
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: have been a couple of plays later, but they tried
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: a deep ball to Dobbs in that game on that drive,
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: and it was a similar kind of route that Chisholm
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: had just run that eventually ran for the game-winning touchdown,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: only it was a little bit closer to the end zone.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to wait and see how he fits back
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in with A.J. Brown. Those are complementary players to me,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and I think that it could work. My concern is
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: that he's going to be a rollercoaster player, and you're
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: never going to quite know what you're going to get
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: week to week and pass to pass. And I was
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: just thinking about like, how would Tom Brady deal with
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that kind of player? You know, like he got, I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: think he gets sick of the inconsistency and then he
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: would stop throwing.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: That all depends on his assignments.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he, is he where he's supposed to be? No.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: And he's just not.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: Consistently making the catch or physical things. He's not, but
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: mentally he's in the right place.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: He's executing. He's just not catching them. Right. And I,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and I listen, I agree.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: I think Dobbs has been disappointing, you know, over the
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: balance of the five games. I think it's been a
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: little bit of a disappointment. I think it's a little
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: bit overblown because the very first thing that everybody saw
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: was a hellacious drop.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: And I think everybody is, is remembering that. yep I
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: don't think you win the Buffalo game without Dobbs I
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: think the fourth down conversions and the touchdowns I don't
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: think you win that game without yeah without him um
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: he needs to be better I think he had opportunities
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: to make plays in this game and he didn't He
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: needs to more consistently catch the ball.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: I agree with the emailer.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Colby from Galveston, Texas. My wife, my buddy, a Packers fan,
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: and I are going to the Packers game in a
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: few weeks. I got a cousin that's going to BC,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: so we're going to visit her and check out a
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: hockey game. Nice. Can you give us some hole-in-the-wall recommendations
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: for bars and restaurants around Boston?
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, jeez.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: That's some past my prime on that one. Marianne's? You
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: don't want to be going there. It's still open. I
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: don't even know.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Well, Pino's Pizza in Cleveland Circle used to have the
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: best steak and cheese in the area.
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Back in the day.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: I don't know if Pino's is still there.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I don't live in Boston anymore, so it's hard for
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: me to give you any recommendations.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: We got the old guys today. You know, with Nevin
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: and Alex are the ones with the recs.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: But even in that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: In BC. Yeah, that part of town is not like. Like,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: everyone could tell you downtown. Legal seafood in Chestnut Hill.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah. It's great. There you go.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Hole in the wall.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: He's looking for a hole in the wall.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: Just respectful to our sponsors.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: One of the best chowder in New England. Come on.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: You know, back in the day, BC, BU area, I
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: could tell you every place, but not anymore. That was
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: a long time ago.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of those places are, they're going away.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: And it's, I don't know if it's the schools are
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: trying to sort of push those guys out. The underage
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: drinking bars?
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: Is that what you mean? Well, no, not necessarily underage, but.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: cheap drinking places, college bars where you could go in
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: and get, you know, $ 6 pitcher.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: I think those places are going. And I think a
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: lot of college kids now, they, they just, they party
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: on campus, you know, frat parties and whatnot. And they're
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: not necessarily doing the tease pub thing that, that I
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: did or the dugout, you know, those are college hole
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: in the wall places that were awesome.
• 51:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, we had one.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: It's too expensive now?
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I think. Less drinking, too. I saw something. But that's why.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: The young kids don't drink the way we drink.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's less drinking. I think there's less
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: spending money on drinking. They do the keg stands at
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: the frat party as opposed to going out to T's
• 51:39
  Speaker 5: Pub and having 27 Miller Lights, which may or may
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: not have happened in, say, 1989. No, I had a
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: $ 6 pitcher.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I remember a place that I used to go to.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: $ 6 pitchers. I mean, that'll get you there.
• 51:47
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Francisco chiming in. She probably has some. Oh, OK.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Alex Francisco to the rescue.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: But I definitely have heard all the stuff about the
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: younger generation doesn't spend the money on alcohol the way
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: we did.
• 52:03
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: And they find different ways. They find different ways to spend.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: But I also know it's so much more expensive.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: They don't drink like we drank.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: But I think that's why. Because it's so expensive.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: Alex says Fiorella's in Newton near B.C. And she says
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: there's also a good cash only dive near Cleveland Circle
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: near the CBS. She forgets the name.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Sorry we couldn't help you out more.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Use Yelp.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: Now my patron's question is, it seems like Drake and
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Josh have adapted after the first three weeks and are
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: hitting their stride. But do you think the other teams
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: will have a counterpunch later in the season, causing the
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: offense to look like it did in the playoffs last year?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Some teams will be better equipped to defend them than
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: the Raiders were and the Bills were. I mean, the equation,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's going to be this play this game,
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: but right.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I mean that, that, but then to the Patriots changed
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the equation again with AJ Brown. Like, I mean, I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: think from my perspective, I mean, it's just hard with
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Drake because you can say their receivers aren't all that
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: dynamic right now. And you'd love to just be able
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to man them up and not let them get off
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: of coverage. And, but Drake can run and Drake's really accurate.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: So it, conventional plans are hard. I think you have
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: to fool him. I think you have to, and it's
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: kind of getting back to the break. You got to
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: hit him early. You got to get him off his game.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Listen, if Drake's the quarterback we think he's going to be, then,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: you know, adjustments will be made. But if you're a
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: good quarterback, you, yeah. And then you have an answer
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: for it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: I think Mike touched on something I feel strongly on.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: If you're defending the Patriots, you need to hit Drake
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: May early in the game.
• 53:37
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Get him thinking.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: Can't get him comfortable.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Uncertain about the pocket.
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Sooner he gets comfortable, tougher it's going to be.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Darius and Louisville, I'm a little confused why you guys
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: think our run defense is so bad. I thought we
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: looked pretty good all year beside the Jags game. All
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: I keep hearing is they should have run more. They
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: should have ran more. Well, maybe they couldn't. Maybe just
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: maybe our defense is pretty good. Just my opinion. I
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: think we are good and could be great.
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: James Cook averaged six yards a carry, and Mike says
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: that they probably, in retrospect, should have run him more
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: than 12 times.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, I think they're a
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: good defense, but I also, I mean, just, you know.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: They've been susceptible against the run.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting into stats, but run DVOA, they're 25th.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've been susceptible against the run. They shut down
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: the Raiders run game. They can't run against anybody. They're
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: 31st in the run.
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Then DVOA, you know, run stop win rate, they're 25th.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like, you look for little
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: flaws in your team and what's going to, what are
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: teams going to try to exploit?
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Exploit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Jeepers, creepers. But that's the key to me. And go
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: back to how do you beat Drake? Keep him off
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: the field. Run the ball. Control the ball. I mean,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: that's the Jets thing.
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: I thought Seattle ran the ball reasonably well and just
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: weren't able to continue to do it because they lost
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: their quarterback and then you can't sustain drives. The only
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: game that I thought they were really good against the
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: run was the Pittsburgh game. They stopped Jalen Warren, who
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: has been good against other teams, but they shut down
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: Warren and Dowdle in that game and put it all
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: on Aaron Rogers. That was a stout performance by the defense.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: They've been kind of leaky in the other games, the
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: three other games. So it was the two home games.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: Their run defense has been solid. The three road games, it's,
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: I think, been kind of questionable.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: So let's see if Brees Hall comes back this week,
• 55:23
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  Speaker 5: Chicago especially. They want to run the ball. Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So you shut that running game down, and that's different.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: But Kyle Williams, just admitting I was not in a
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  Speaker 4: good place and this brought the joy back.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's only four games. I would have think
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  Speaker 1: you could hold the joy a little bit longer than that,
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  Speaker 1: but hopefully this gets them back on track and See
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  Speaker 1: what happens if A.J. Brown comes back this week. But
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  Speaker 1: I would assume he's going to get maybe a couple
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  Speaker 1: more opportunities unless A.J. Brown's 100 percent back.
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  Speaker 4: And then it just look, he's got a very specific
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  Speaker 4: skill and you've got to use it. At least you
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  Speaker 4: have the other team has to think that you're going
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: to use it because he can beat you.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Troy, just, you know, we're talking with Kyle Williams just quickly.
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  Speaker 10: Mm hmm.
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: I feel comfortable saying this in front of you because
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: you're not one of those guys that felt like a
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: wide receiver answer. You know, you struggled for a couple
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: of weeks and all of a sudden, you know, you
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: got to get the joy back.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: What is it like managing a wide receiver room?
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: Well, you have to manage a lot of different personalities.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: And a lot of them are a lot of times
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: a lot of times at that position. A lot of
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: those personalities are diverse, you know, and and sometimes it's difficult. Sometimes,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: you know, it's not that you get a guy. You
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: get a guy like Chisholm. You get a guy like
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers. You get a guy that's just just easy.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: Love football.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Easy to coach. Do whatever you ask him to do.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: No backtalk. No sassiness.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: None of that stuff.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: But you get a lot of different personalities in that room,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: and you have to be able to manage them. You
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: have to know how to talk to them. You have
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: to know how to coach them, how they want to be,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: how do they learn, all that stuff. And And when
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: you're getting on them, you've got to know exactly what
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: to say and how to get it through to them
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  Speaker 3: without destroying their confidence any more than what it already is,
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: which can be difficult sometimes. Because a lot of times
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: you get some coaches, they want to go after everybody
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: the same way. And a lot of times you can't
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: get through to some people that way.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: You're screaming and yelling at them. So you've got to
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: just use a different tactic sometimes. If you're comfortable off sharing,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: give us an example of that. Dealing with Nakio Harry.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: a guy who didn't really love football, you know, and
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: trying to get through to him about being here, how
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: important it was to be here in the offseason and
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: those kinds of things, and then being a part of
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: the team and developing as a teammate and bonding with
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: your team. He just never really got it, and I
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: could never really get through to him, you know, no
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: matter how I communicated with him. Like, he just didn't
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: have that love of football in him, you know, and
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: he and Jacoby Myers came in the same year, and
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: they couldn't be any more different.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Than what they are.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, I would have the players like Jacoby
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: talk to your guy, you know, like, you know, whatever,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: because I knew I could trust him to go have
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: that conversation with Nikhil, and he would try to have it, and, like,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: he just wasn't listening. But I got that same conversation
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: with Jacoby. I mean, I can do whatever.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: I can cuss.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I can whatever. I can yell, scream, and he just
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: responds the same way all the time. So, yeah.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Well, listen, even Randy Moss, we all love Randy Moss,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: but he was a Pied Piper, and guys would follow him.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: And I know... Tom Brady spent a lot of time
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: with Randy Moss, like, making sure that everything was doing
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: the way that Belichick wanted it done. And, you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: that could have gone the other way. And eventually it did.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: You know, he wanted out.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 10: But.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: These guys, they can be a handful. Terrell Owens and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Chad Ochocinco back in his day. Antonio Brown.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Another guy, another diva receiver. Extremely talented guy, Antonio Brown.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Had him for two weeks. Difficult at first, but then
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: he got to respect me because I was truthful with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: him and honest with him. And I'm like, look, you're
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: like everybody else in this room. You're not going to
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: bring your cell phone in this meeting. You're not going
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, coach.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a grown man. Come on, I'm a grown man.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: I said, well, all the rest of these men in
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: here are grown, and their phones are outside. So just
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: put your phone outside the door, and you can get
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: it when we're done with the meeting. And then from
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: that point on, he had a different respect for me.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Even when he came back here with Tampa, he came
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: and found me and gave me some daps.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's up, coach?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: How you doing, man? But he always had a different
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: respect for me. And you remember Bethel Johnson?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: I remember him famously saying, the more someone tells me
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: what to do, the more I don't want to do it.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: And that was him.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: He literally said that. And I saw him in Dallas
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: three years ago, I think, we played down there. some
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: three or four years ago and he came by the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: hotel and he and I had in the hotel like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: a little brunch or whatever dinner or whatever and he
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: like apologized for everything that he had did and he
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: said I should have listened I should have listened to
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: you guys like David Patton myself Dion was on the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: team at the time so he just didn't know he
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: had all the tools to be a 10, 15-year player
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: in this league. He just didn't appreciate them and didn't
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: appreciate the guys that he had around him, how good
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: of a group we had around him, and he just
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: didn't listen.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: So he apologized for all that stuff.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: Too late smart, they say.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: I remember that, what you're talking about with Petal Johnson.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: The more someone tells me what to do, the less
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: I want to do it.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: The less he wants to do it. Wide receivers are
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: some interesting characters. They're some interesting characters. I mean, they
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: got a lot of personalities. You know, you can see Mac.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Mac got all the bling, whatever, the gear and no
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: shoes and, you know, and.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: But Mac is odd, but he is a total team player.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: That's why McDaniels loves him. He'd do whatever he asked
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: him to do. He's been one of my favorite players
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: before he even got to New England. I just thought
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: he did everything that his football team asked him to do.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Special teams. He'd come in and make a big play
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: for you on offense. I mean, is he Randy Moss? No,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: but he's a good, solid football player for your team,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: and he can play a lot of different things, a
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: lot of different positions for you. Just let him wear
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: his bare feet.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Just let him do that.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I think he gets a long-term deal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great. Open up some space.
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  Speaker 5: I don't get to yell at him every day like
• 1:04:56
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• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: I will have to admit, after seeing Brady and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those photoshopped buck things i'm kind of like
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  Speaker 4: we're talking about the jets kind of like Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's been good talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: Team building.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: So we could stay on the Jets.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And I agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not criticizing or anything, but I think a lot
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: of the luster of Jets week is gone.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: It's not like it used to be.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: Well, I haven't really had any luster for Jets week
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: since Rex Ryan left. Because that's the last time they
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: were any good.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I know. I mean, it's more a feeling of like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: don't mess this one up and don't get hurt. Just
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: get a win and move on.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: You always sort of tease me and you... You go
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: the Andy Hart ridiculous route. I like games like the
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Bills in Seattle as opposed to games like the Raiders
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: in Jacksonville. I learned nothing in those games. I learned
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: something in a Bills game where... both teams are sort
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: of trading punches and you gotta go, you gotta execute
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: game management's important clock. Um, who comes up with big
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: plays when the game's on the line and who wins,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: you know, and I, and I intentionally picked a win
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: in a loss for both situations. The Seattle game was similar.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: Like the clock and the execution was important in that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: game because both teams were going back and forth.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: I don't learn much losing 35 to six or winning
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: 45 to 17. Um, I obviously would rather win 45-17
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 5: than lose 35-6, but with the Jets, they haven't really
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: had the ability to punch back in at least a decade.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: What have they beaten them, like three times? Right, since
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the Belichick loss. Did they lose to them... It was
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: the last loss to Belichick in 24. And then the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Thursday night game at the Mayo year, they lost.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: Is that the last time they lost to them?
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: So they just really haven't been able to punch you back.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: But I'll be fair, though, to the Jets. I don't
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: want to make it look like we're just being all
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: Homer Central here. I had a big thing last week
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: saying the Patriots beat the Raiders. Bills go out to L.A.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: and lose to the Rams. The Patriots could be in
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: first place. Well, you lose to the Jets and you're
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: in third.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: So I've got to be fair about it and create
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: all different scenarios.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: All the more reason why we're going to win.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's how I feel.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go to the hotline, 855-PATS-500. Dave's in Florida. What's up, Dave?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys. How's it going?
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  Speaker 10: Good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I....
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 13: I kind of agree with Paul a little bit with
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 13: the notion that maybe Jets haven't had a luster in
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 13: a long time, mostly because we've beaten them so many times.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 13: But at the same time, Paul, do you really not
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 13: enjoy games like the Raiders, like 45-17, like blowouts like that?
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 13: Some people like me and Fred love to watch our
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 13: team blow out another team, you know?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and like I said, I would much rather win,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: Then win a blowout, then lose a blowout. But no,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: I didn't find a whole lot to watch in the
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville game or the Raiders game. Whereas the Buffalo game,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: and Mike will tell you, I was riveted. I'm riveted
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: the whole game because every play matters.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: We're fans.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: He's not. But I lost interest.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: He wants us to be miserable.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: No, like I said, the Buffalo game to me was riveting.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 4: Riveting, but not from a fan standpoint.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: From a fan standpoint, that game was riveting. It was
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: back and forth.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Who were you rooting for?
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: The Patriots. Like, how could you not? Like, they won
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: the game. See, I said this is why I prefaced
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: the whole thing. He's going to take it to an
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: Andy absurd level and not understand the difference between a
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: game that was painfully over one drive into the game
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: on Sunday. I lost interest in that game one series
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: into the game.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 4: But if your team is the one that's running away
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: with it.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: That's better than the other way where the Jacksonville game
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: was over like a quarter and a half into the game.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: That was no fun either.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: You're enjoying every moment of it. That's my point. You're
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: enjoying every moment of it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: I enjoy a lot more when the other team has
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: the ability to make it a game.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: Well, define enjoy.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Enjoy.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Like, it's fun to watch. That's fun to watch to me.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: Yes, but I also think blowing out the other team
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: is fun to watch, too, for me.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: I guess I just don't learn much in those games.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not there to learn. I just want to watch
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: my team win.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They beat Buffalo. They won.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Like, why does one of them matter more to you?
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't say it mattered more. Didn't we, though? What?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: What do you got, Dave?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 13: The question I have is about A.J.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 9: Brown.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 13: And I missed the first part of the show, so
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 13: I'm not sure if you.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: Covered this part.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 13: But if you were Mike Braybill and A.J. Brown came
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 13: up to you and said, I'm ready to play this week,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 13: are you resting him maybe this week and maybe give
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 13: him another week of rest? Or are you putting him
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 13: in there? And if you do put him in there,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 13: are you giving him some volume? Or are you maybe
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 13: just putting him out there sort of not quite like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 13: a decoy, but sort of Someone that can be out
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 13: there to open up some opportunities for Romeo, Dada, and Chisholm,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 13: that kind of thing.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: If my training staff says he is good to go.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: Then he's going. If they say he could go, but
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: he could use another week, then he's going to get
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: another week.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: There are medical decisions and football decisions.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Dave.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: And they're not necessarily the same.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: But like I said, if he's 100% and my medical
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: people say he's 100%, the quicker he gets in and gets,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: you know, because he's still got to work with Drake here.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, we haven't figured that out yet.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: And you haven't figured out what your offense looks like
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: with all your pieces in it.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: So I want him in as soon as he can,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: as long as there's no risk of re-injuring or setbacks
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. Anything else that would happen would
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: be brand new.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: I don't want to rush him back, but I agree
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: with you.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a little bit of, I don't
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: know if it's unique, but this is a specific injury
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: that can linger and is a weird one. It's not
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: like as simple as his bone broke, it is healed,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: he is ready. You know, this is like, is there
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: another injury that's as bizarre as a high ankle sprain?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: Like they're always... There's a surgery for it. You don't
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: need surgery.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: You never hear people say, oh, it was a low
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: ankle spray.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think those are, I know, but these, yeah,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: you've had the Gronkowski one. I mean, it's just, I
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't rush him back on this. I would be a
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: little bit more precautious with this injury just because I
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: do think the risk of kind of screwing it up
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: again and setting him back. Don't try to win this
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: battle to lose the war.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Like I said, if he is 100% clear, then get
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: him out there.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: Because we need to work on this offense.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. No.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, back on the road.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 9: How y'all doing?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 8: Hey, you had a caller yesterday.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, bro.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 12: I'm going to take my lumps.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: I did want to have some first.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: And then what you call? Because, like I said, I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: saw me in North Carolina.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: And I probably.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't change it back.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: But what I'm.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 9: Worried about is he got that coverage for two games.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: I hope he do the rest of the game and just.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: Get that dog in the fight. That's all I want.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: You know, but he's a laid back dude. You know,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: he's just laid back.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he does.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: I just want to see that.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 13: And my question is, ain't y'all scared of Geno being
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 13: the Patriot killer?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: He killed him with Seattle and he.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: Killed him with the Raiders. Right.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: That's Mike's big fear.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: We talked about that at the beginning of the show.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't get to hear that.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: He's thrown for like 350 in the last two times.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: We start at 11 now, Eldred, not at noon.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: Come on, Eldred.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 8: Had a delivery at 11, bro.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: Good job.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Good job, E. Thank you. Appreciate it.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 13: Thank you.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Alienating the regulars. Yep.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Ben in Manhattan writes in, Thank you for all the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: great shows. Fred, your gambling references kill me, but they're
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: also dangerous because as a non-gambler, they're genuinely all that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: I know, and I'm.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: Not sure that's a good thing.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: I get to see Ben the first time, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: he's working with someone to place a bet. Hey, I
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: want to do an unprotected sex bet. And the guy
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: looks at him, are you talking about? And Fred told
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: me about it.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: You know what's great?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: You know what's great about that? The game that you
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: said was an unprotected sex game was the Philadelphia Jacksonville game.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: And if there was a definition of an unprotected sex game,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: that was a risky bet.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: That was a risky bet.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: And then if you made the wrong one, you came away,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: you know, regretting it for a long time. My question
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 4: is on the run defense. I think it's a bit
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: under-discussed as a weak point of this team that can
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: hurt them in close games. In particular, it seems like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: we're consistently vulnerable to rushes between the tackles, especially in
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: the A-gaps. I think Vrabel's defense is supposed to work
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: differently from the old Patriots philosophy with more penetration than
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: two gapping nose tackles. But I don't really get it.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Call the ball knowers, talk... Can the ball knowers talk
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: about how the defense is supposed to stop the run?
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: Is there a personnel hole at nose tackle or other
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: spots currently that make this weaker than it should be?
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: It's run fits. It's called run fits. Go ahead, Mike.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: You're the defense guy. No, I mean, they still have
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a nose tackle and Corey Durden's playing that position, but
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's a little bit small than maybe the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: ideal position, but it's definitely a different defensive philosophy i
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: don't i wouldn't say that they are a penetrating defense
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: every single snap there's still elements of two gapping that
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: that happen on various plays um but it's not that
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: you know and i think part of it too is
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that the old defensive systems were so simple it was
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you know you go back to the mid-2000s it's all
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: three four and nickel that's it like you know your
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: strong side linebacker comes out and you bring in your
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: your slot cornerback and that was as simple as it
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: gets and now it's All nickel, mostly that's nickels, the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: new base, which, I mean, you're saying that in, like, 2010. Right.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: So it's definitely different. I do just enjoy the overall
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: aggressiveness of the blitzing. And, you know, I think the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: kind of Matt Patricia years, they were a little bit more.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: It is different, though, because if you do it wrong,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: you're going to get, you know, scorched up the middle.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're good at disguising. I think Zach
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: Kor is good at spinning the dial and, you know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: maybe sending a lot of pressure early in the game
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: and then using that, for the rest of the game
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: as a threat to get a quarterback off his game.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: And they lost Tonga. They don't really have that true
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: nose tackle anymore. I always said that if Vince Wilfork
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: was more in a traditional... penetrating 4-3 or whatever. He
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: would be a Canton.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: He was like a rolling ball. He'd be a Canton
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: But he was playing that zero technique type of thing.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: And that limits a guy. You don't get the numbers.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, and Wilfork was special as, you know,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: 2011 and famously, like, towards the end, they're moving him
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: all over the place. It wasn't just as simple as...
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: But again, going back to when they were just running
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: 3-4 and nickel, like, he's the nose tackle. And Seymour
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and Ty Warren were with him. But I'm really impressed
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: with just the overall... defensive coordination and the level they've
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: started off with this year where they're throwing a lot
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: of different stuff. Again, going back to everybody seems to
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: be on the same page, whether it's Chucky Trees and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Kendall Vildor out there or whatever. So I give the
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: defensive staff a lot of credit because I don't think
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: that they are the most talented, naturally talented defense, but
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I think they play really well together. And I think
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: Robert Spillane is the guy in the middle keeping everybody
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Connected and knowing what they're doing. They're a good defense.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: I like Mike's point about the personnel changes and the stylistic.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: Because you are in nickel all the time now. And
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 5: that's not just like a personnel group. It's the people
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: that you have on the field. So instead of monsters
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: like Ted Johnson and Bruschi and Pfeiffer and Vrabel. You
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: now have Robert Spillane and Christian Ellis who are much
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: smaller than those guys. Now, the difference is nowadays you
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: have to be smaller and faster to be able to
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 5: compete with these offenses that are stretching you. And that
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: might make you a little susceptible to a power running game.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 5: You're not anywhere near as big up front in the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: front seven as you were 25 years ago. Now, I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: would say that most teams look at it and say... okay,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 5: you want to run the ball against us?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Sure, go ahead.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: You can run for 125 yards. If you can't throw
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: and score, it's not going to matter. Now, Chicago is
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: a rare team. Detroit is a rare team. Those two games,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: I'll be curious to see how it looks because those
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: are two teams that want to run the ball and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: they score a lot of points. When their offenses are clicking,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: those teams run the ball and put up a lot
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: of points. So you can't. I think the Jets want
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: to run the ball and try to win this game
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: 17-13 or something like that.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I would say good luck. Yeah, good luck.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: Good luck trying to win the game that way. I
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: don't think you're going to be able to keep the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 5: Patriots to 13 points.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Part of it, too, is like, you know, Juwan Bentley.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, they released him last year.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: Remember that?
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Jelani Tavai played a year. Yeah. Those were the off-the-ball
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: linebackers under the Belichick system, and they're smaller. I think
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: this fits better for the modern game in my eye,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if that was part of the trend
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: that hurt them near the end, where they were a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: little bit behind the times. They were a little bit
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: too big and didn't run quite as well, you know? Right.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: And, and I don't want to just say like, I
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: agree with everything Mike is saying. I like this style better.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: I like being aggressive defensively. I don't want to sit
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: back and just hope the other team makes a mistake.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: And all that.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: And I'm not telling you that it's infallible. We all
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: watched the Super Bowl and we all saw why Seattle
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: was able to win the game. They dominated the line
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: of scrimmage and Kenneth Walker was unstoppable. So I'm not
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: telling you you can't win games doing it that way.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: But I would argue your old argument with me when
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: we bickered about how lopsided the Super Bowl was. Even
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: though the game was non-competitive... It was a play away
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: from getting competitive because when you run the ball, you
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: don't generally score as many points as it looks like
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: you should. Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: Because if you can't complete the passes and Darnold was
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: terrible in that game, they couldn't complete the passes. They
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: weren't scoring as many points as they should have based
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: on how much success they were having offensively. That's why
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: I think the way that Vrabel and Zach core go
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: about defense.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: We might give up some yards in between the tackles
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: here and there. Jacksonville game, why did they score 35 points?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: Why did they score, I'll.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Say, 28?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: Because they had a pick that set it up inside
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: the five. Because Trevor Lawrence threw the ball into the
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: end zone.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: And I agree.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: They ran the ball really well that day, Jacksonville. But
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: the difference to me was in the red zone, they
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: were five for five because Trevor Lawrence was completing passes
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 5: in the end zone.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: Todd and Garner, kind of on the same subject here.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Does Rabel approach the D like Belichick and try to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: take away the opponent's best weapons?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: I would say no.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: It didn't look like it last week.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: No, they singled him a lot.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Because they knew that that wasn't going to be enough
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: to beat him.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: Also, doesn't Paul say run on your own time, passing
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: wins games? So having teams run on you is better
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: than letting them pass.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: I agree, Todd.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: That's the whole point.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Todd. He just made it right off
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: the bat when they signed Milton Williams to that big deal.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: I think that was kind of a signal. And then
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: bringing in Spillane to really run. Those two moves to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: me right out of the gate indicated success. What direction
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: they were headed.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 5: And, again, because I don't want this thrown back in
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: my face, like, well, blah. Like, there can definitely be
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: a possibility of an individual week here or there. And
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: it could happen Sunday.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: Brees Hall runs for, you know, 24 carries for 135
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: yards and two touchdowns, and the Patriots get upset.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: I'll take my chances that that's not going to happen
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: week after week.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: But I'm just saying like, I'm going to take my chances.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: That's not going to happen week after week after week.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: I think, I think that that absolutely could happen, you know, on,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: in a game or two, but I don't think you're
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: going to, especially when you have.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: The quarterback that you have. And I think, you know
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that colors everything where it's like, well,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: he's got to put up points, you know, as long
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: as we protect him, we're probably going to score some points.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: Whereas like when you had Mac, Like, God, if they
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: get a lead on us, it's going to be a struggle.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to run the ball.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: And if the Jets are going to win, sorry, Freddie,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: they're going to have to have a good game from
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: Geno Smith, too. Because they can run the ball, but
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: you need to score the points. And that, to me,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: is what would worry me about Chicago and Detroit. Those
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: two teams can run the ball, but they can also score.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: The Jets can't score.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: Tell you what Jameer gives, man.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: Nick in Ohio says, I'm on Paul's side. I enjoy
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 4: the blowouts, but I enjoy watching our young team develop
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: and learn from the tight games more. The more games
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: that are tough become a quicker learning experience for Drake
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: and our young team. I may be too analytical, but
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: that's how I look at the comeback wins. The more
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: they have to deal with adversity, the better they will develop.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: Just blow out the Bills, Jets, and Finns every year.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Let's just say you have two seasons. Each one of them,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: you end up 14-3. One season, you're blowing teams out
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: left and right. The other season, it was a struggle
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: to get to 14-3. Which would you rather have as
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: a fan?
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: The struggle. Why?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't you want to be the team that blows out everybody?
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: No, that just tells me you played teams that weren't
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: very good.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: You're saying that.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: If they go 14-3 this year, I think it would
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: be a hell of a lot more impressive than going
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: 14-3 was last year. I didn't say that.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: You just interjected that. Let's say that it's.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, so you're saying that they play these death struggles
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: with terrible teams?
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: No, let's just say it's an average NFL season. Neither good,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: really hard, or really easy.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: That's much more entertaining. Especially if I'm winning the same.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: I want to blow everybody. I want to be dominant.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: I want to take no prisoners.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you you're wrong. I'm not telling you how.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: You should feel.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying that I'm a fan. You're not.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: I am a fan. I'm a fan of the game.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 4: You're in it for the nuance.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: No, I want my team to win. But I don't
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: want it to be easy. I want it to be competitive.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: Because that's more fun to watch. Would you rather watch
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: 2003 again or 2007, just regular season?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: Well, do I know the outcome?
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, is that an okay call?
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: If I know that I'm going to win a Super
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: Bowl in 03 and have the ultimate heartbreak in 07.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Well, right. We'll take that out of it, though. I mean,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong, but... I feel like 0-3, they were
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: close games. And I know they were dominant and there
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: were nods going on at 7-0. But, like, that felt
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of close games that year in 0-7. But
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: they weren't really close. Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Only because the offense wasn't, you know, putting up with it.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: What year are we talking about?
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: I said 0-3. Once they got to two scores, it
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: was over.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Regardless of when that happened.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I like your theory. I'll tell you.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: But, no, here's this. I'm going to be a little
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: hypocritical about 0-7.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: Because they did have a lot of blowout wins. But
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 5: I think they blew out a lot of really good teams.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: They didn't blow out the Titans, the Saints, and the Browns.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Like last year's Patriots did.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: But you're changing the argument here. No, but Mike is asking,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: which one would you rather... There was a thorough entertainment
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: value in 07, even though they weren't overly competitive games.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 5: I did like it better at the end when the
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: games were more competitive and the other team pushed back.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: I wanted blowouts throughout.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: You don't want it to be hard. You want it
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: to be easy. You want it to be given to you.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 5: I like to earn it.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: You don't do anything. You just sit in your ass
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: and watch. I want my team to win.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: Blow doors on the rest of the league and be dominant.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: I want every, every other fan base to be miserable before, during,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: and after we play them.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: That's, but that's okay.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Like that.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: I don't think you're wrong. That's how you feel. I,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: I like to earn it. Like I, I like my team.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: To be tested.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: I think I'm with Paul Fred.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: I think it's more entertaining to watch a game where
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: both teams are playing well. Last week I was like,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: this is taking forever.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Like, Like, which Super Bowl was better to watch? Okay,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: but we're working.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: Like, which Super Bowl was better to watch? When the
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: Rams didn't sniff a point and you beat them 13-3?
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 5: Or the Seattle Super Bowl that is haymakers back and
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: forth the whole game? Give me the Seattle game. It
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: was one of the greatest football games I ever watched.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Like the Kansas City AFC Championship game. Or, you know,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: Ty Law picking off 17 Peyton Manning passes in a blowout.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: Give me the Kansas City game every day of the week.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: That's fun to me. The other team has a chance too.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: I'm not playing my homecoming opponent this week. I get
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: nothing out of that. It's great that we won, but
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: I would much rather beat Buffalo the way they beat
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 5: Buffalo than the way the Raiders came in here and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: just rolled over for them.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: I need some heart palpitations.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: I like some competition.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: When I'm watching other teams, I'm with Paul. I want
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 4: to have a good game back and forth. But when
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: my team's playing... I want to kick your ass up
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: and down the field.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: If I was playing, that's how I would feel. But
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: if I'm watching, I want to be entertained. I kind
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: of feel like I'm out there with it. I don't
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: know why you feel like that.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: But I do. I live and die.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: I've never said we.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: I live and die. I mean, you know, like I want.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: We're not on the team.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: I want dominance.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: We're not part of the team in any way.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: I'm like Conan the Barbarian. I want to, you know.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Do all bad things. Oh, yeah, that's a good one, Fred.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: That's a deep dive.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Remember that one?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: The lamentations of their women.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: Exactly. That's what I want. I want that whole other.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I don't like when you go 80s that I don't know.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, you never saw Conan the Barbarian? No, you wouldn't
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: like that one.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: Never saw any of the Arnold movies?
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too violent.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: Terminator?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: Look at how mad Matt is at me.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: Pumping iron? I'm not mad.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: I'm just shocked.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: It's a hole in my resume. What do you want
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: me to tell you? Not even pumping iron? I didn't
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: see pumping iron. I didn't like that.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: That was overblown.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: It's just funny. He's just walking around doing steroids and drugs.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Really bad camera work. It was just awful.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Venice Beach in the 70s.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: Sean in Ottawa.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Sean.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: Why are Patriots fans hoping Campbell ends up at guard?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: He's never played guard in the NFL or college, so
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: I don't get why everyone assumes he'll be an all
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: pro or even competent at it. Campbell has looked good
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: this season. Lomo's arms are like a quarter inch longer
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: than Campbell's, so not sure the arm length debate is
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: an argument there. Are fans hoping we spend another first-round
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: pick for a right tackle next draft instead of an
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: edge or a wide receiver? I get everyone liked the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: Campbell pick, but as a Patriots fan myself, once that
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: pick is made, I cheer for them to succeed, especially
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: at the premium positions. I don't think people are hoping
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: that he goes to guard.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, Fred.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: I think people are just saying, what if?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: That could happen. I don't think people are hoping it happens.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: I hope not.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: As a back to like what you want from your team,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: what I would want is those two guys to be
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: my two tackles.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: The pillars.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: Now I've seen no evidence that either one of them
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 5: could play on the right side. So I would be
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: worried about that, but that's what I would want is
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 5: one of them to play left tackle and one of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: them to play right tackle.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Right.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: I think that's what most Patriots fans want to see.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Okay. Um, Let's see.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: Where I would differ from a lot of people is
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: I don't care which one of them is the left tackle.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are really, really emotionally
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: pulling for Will Campbell to prove everybody wrong. And all
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: the people that talk about the arm length, they want
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: it because it's not enough to just have a good player.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: You need to stick it to the media.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: You have to blow them out. Right.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 11: Good, Mike.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: I caught it.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: Bryden is a first-time emailer.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: And still too nervous to call.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: Come on, guy. We're super nice.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: Mike doesn't yell at everybody.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: The only one he yells at is Paul.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: I would like to thank you guys for the work
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: you do. I've been listening for 16 years now, going
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: back to the PFW days. You all make the time
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: between games that much more enjoyable. On the team, I'm
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: worried about the line and the injuries. Which line? I
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: also think Buffalo is going to be the struggle this year.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: is going to struggle this year. I anticipate three games
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: against those honkies. Anyway, best wishes to you.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: Are they going to struggle or are you going to
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: make the play? You have to play them in the playoffs.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so they struggle, but they're going to make the
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: playoffs if we're going to play three games against them.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 10: Oh, man. Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I just watched that game the other night. It's just, again,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: it's like if Josh Allen can hold together through the playoffs,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: they got a shot at it.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: I really thought they were going to lose that game
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: going in, and that would kind of be an indicator of,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: the way the rest of their season was going to go,
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: but they're pulling things out. You know, they're figuring it out.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: And the thing that, that would concern me about Buffalo
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: would be if Jim Leonard knows what he's doing. And
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I think he does. Yeah.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 5: What does that defense look like? Say in November and December,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 5: because right now it's a mess. Their secondary is a mess.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: They have one guy who competently can cover anybody. They
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: can't play in the secondary. And if, If he figures out, okay,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: we can do this, this, and this. The rookie cornerback
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: that I can't pronounce his name, Benassin, something like that.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: If he's any good, and then all of a sudden
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: you make Maxwell Hairston sort of your third or fourth corner.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: He didn't start the other night. I watched the very
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: beginning of that game. That would worry me. All of
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: a sudden, he figures out the person, because it's a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 5: totally different system than what They have the personnel for.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: And if he sort of figures that out. Because offensively.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: The worst game they played. This year was against the Patriots.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: And they scored 26 points. And missed an extra point.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: You're not beating them.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: Like.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: In a low scoring game, you've got to score against them.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: And if they can figure out how to slow you
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: down a little bit, that would scare me.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: It'd be a great game here.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 4: Uh, Anthony writes in, uh, going to the Patriots Packers
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: game in November, wondering if there's anything specific to know
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 4: about Gronk's, uh, hall of fame induction that Saturday should
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 4: be arriving with the wife early Saturday. So, um, Yeah,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: it'll be out. I don't have the details yet in
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 4: terms of where the stage is going to be.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you that off air.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but it'll be in the plaza probably.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: It will?
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: I would think.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: What about the weather?
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: What are they going to do?
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: Put it in the Cross Pavilion?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 5: Or in the hall somewhere?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. And the SI Pavilion, I should say.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: The hall's too small.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: I know you couldn't have as many people that would
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: be in the plaza if you moved it inside, but
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: if you get a nor'easter, you're not going to have
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 5: a choice. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: It will be in November.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: It'll be on Saturday.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: It'll probably be later in the afternoon.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 5: I just like to bring up possibilities that evidently people
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: don't really consider.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: And then, much like we did last Sunday with Vinatieri
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 4: at halftime of the game, There'll be another ceremony for Gronk,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: and that'll be streamed live on Patriots.com.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: Hey, Andy Hart, that wasn't cool.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: He goes, well, there could be a fire, too, and
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 5: we're not prepared for that. That's not the same thing.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: I was doing Breakfast Club.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: It's not the same thing.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: It's great, Paul, but what if there's a fire, I think,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: endangering the lives of hundreds of Patriots fans. But you
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: were making fun of me a little bit.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 4: Oh, I got a couple people. Okay, a lot of
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: people are in on this now.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: My guess is there's going to be a lot of
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 5: people that are on your side.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 4: No, no.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: In all seriousness.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: Anthony, while I agree the entertainment value is better when
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: the games are closed, I can't possibly agree with Fred Moore.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: Blow doors, kill spirit, send teams to the gulag, win
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: by 50, make the fans miserable, have opposing teams' players
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: complain post-game, and this week I want this the most.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: F the Jersey losers.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: So I have a question for you.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 11: Yes.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: Mike, you too.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: I'll participate.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 5: What game were you more disappointed in after? Seattle or Jacksonville?
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville. More disappointed?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to overthink it. I'm going to say Jacksonville.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: For me, it was Seattle.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 4: I might say that, too, because you had that game.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: So, like, the whole, like, make the fans upset? Yeah.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: I lose 50 to nothing. I just flush that game
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: and move on to the next one.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville was a slow death.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: Jacksonville, they got outclassed, so they didn't show up. The Seahawks,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: I look at that game as a blown opportunity to
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: beat a really good team on the road. And they've
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: only themselves to blame. That game resonated with me as
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: a fan. To me, that was, we missed an opportunity
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: to beat a backup quarterback. And the Jacksonville game was,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: oh no, we might really suck. Those were my two differences.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't ever think like that as a fan.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: That one you came out fearful. Seattle, I came out,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: like Paul said, disappointed.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 5: I never once thought the Patriots could suck.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Like, never.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: Jay and Indy, I love watching.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't think that everything I saw before that was like,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 5: wrong because of one bad game. Like I didn't think
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 5: Drake may possibly could. So this is why I kind
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: of pushed back at the whole, Oh, the Drake, wait,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: Jake may bandwagon is back. Like, no, we had a
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: couple of bad games and people were talking about his games.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: Like even Fred was.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: Saying to Christian, it's been more than that.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. Well, he, I'm talking about this year.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: Christian's right. He played four bad games in the playoffs
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: last year, but this year he was not playing well.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: And I was just looking at it as he's not
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: playing well.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Not like, oh my God, is he not?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: I believe on the post-game show, after one of the games,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: I asked you if you would sign him to a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 5: contract today, and you said no.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: And I said, I would.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: I would give him the money right now. If the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: deadline was now, I would do it. I'm convinced he's
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: good enough to be my quarterback of the future.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: Now, my confidence wasn't really shaken with Drake, but I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: just think the team was a little bit shook after
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: that game of, You know, I haven't seen this team
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: get blown out a ton when they've ended up being
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: a good team. Like, you know, I don't remember, like,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: good Patriot teams getting smacked and then they turn it
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: around and they're great. Like, I just think you get smacked.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: It's happened.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 11: 14.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: 31-0 in 2003. That's one.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 11: 14.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: They lost 41-14 in a Monday night game in Kansas City.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We're on to Cincinnati. Yeah. I wasn't... I wasn't
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: overly moved by that one, though. That one didn't bug
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: me that much. I remember everyone was like crazy. I
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: agree with you.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 5: Those games don't bug me. For whatever reason, it didn't
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 5: happen that night. The games that bug me are when
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: you don't execute when the game's on the line and
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: you lose.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: No, I just felt like I was like, sometimes you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: have games where you're not on. You guys are just
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: out to lunch and everybody's not here today. And it happens.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe it's not matching up with how
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I felt about Jacksonville.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: What was the year they got blown out in Jacksonville?
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 17, I think. 18?
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 5: It was the 17 AFC championship game they played, right?
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: 18.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: They got blown out in Jacksonville. They got blown out
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: by Detroit. And then they won the Super Bowl.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Jay and Indy, I love watching the Patriots blow out
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: their opponents. Close games raise my blood pressure.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: Rick and Louisville on the subject of would you want
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: blowouts or close games? I have always agreed with Fred,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: but this year my son's high school team is 8-0.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: and has outscored their opponents 434 to 49.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Ooch.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: Does he play for Sharon? Every game has had a
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: running clock, and it's become quite boring, so I now
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: lean Paul's way. Give me a little surprise.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 5: Rick, so I can relate to this because, you know,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: I had six years of high school football with my
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: two kids. They overlapped for two of those years, and
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: the league that they play in is not overly strong.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: There's only, like, three teams that can compete, and... Again,
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: you can keep the Arlington Catholic game when the clock
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: is running the whole second half. I'll be at the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 5: Bishop Feehan game. I'll be at the St. Mary's game
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: because those are the games where the other team has
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 5: the ability to punch back. And sometimes you lose. Like,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: that's why you compete. Like, if you were guaranteed to win,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: what fun is that?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: Thomas says, I'm somewhere in between Paul and Fred. It
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: was fun to watch the Patriots kick the crap out
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 4: of the Raiders, but by the end I found myself
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: checking out a little bit. The game against the Bills
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: was exciting because it was two good teams playing each other.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think I do need a blowout or
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: two every season. Like, if you could just say, like...
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: we blow out the Jets every year. Like, you know,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: but I don't want it every single game to just be,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, and then you're in the midst
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: of a special season. And that's why, like, I would say, like. Oh,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: God forbid.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: I know. God forbid you're in the midst of a
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: special season. It's like, we're winning by 40 game points
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: every single week. And I'm just tired of flirting with greatness.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: But that's why I would say the 07 team kind
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: of makes a hypocrite out of me.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: But I do feel like... That was fun.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: But it was fun because you were doing that to
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: good teams.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: When you beat the Chargers in week two, 38-14, and
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: then you end up playing the Chargers in the AFC
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: Championship game.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: You didn't beat the Raiders 45-17. You beat a team
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: that was as good as anybody else in the AFC
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 5: that year.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: But that's a different argument.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: No, but what I'm saying is I don't learn anything
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: in blowouts against these terrible teams. Generally, blowouts happen against
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: bad teams. That's generally what happens. You don't blow out
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: good teams. That's what made 07 different.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: So when you go to the movies, you just go
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: to documentaries because you want to learn something?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: He's so close to being Andy Hart, he can't even
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: see it.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: With the theater of the absurd that he takes it to.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: That's not absurd.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Of course it is.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: You want to be entertained. You go to a movie.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: You want to be entertained.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, I want to be entertained. I'm not entertained in blowouts.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much more clear I can be.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: You want to learn something.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: About my team. I want to be a good team
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: against good teams.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 4: How about you learn your team? Your team is dominant.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: Your team is special.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: They're freaking great.
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 5: And again, in 07, again, this is why I think
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: that's a little bit different. Yes, the 07 team was
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: dominant against everyone.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: Not just the Lambs.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: And would you rather have that or them?
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was games.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: Also, that was that was as enjoyable a season as
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: you could have.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: So you're with me.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: All right. And that season, because they played good.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: OK, so you really.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: Splitting hairs here. But I said up front that that's
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: why I'm being a little hypocritical with 07. I feel
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 5: a little different about that particular team because it was different.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: But they weren't beating up on the little sisters of
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 5: the poor.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: I remember even the Bengals game with Carson Palmer and
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: them being like... Before the game, I thought, this will
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: be a good test. It was another. I remember being like,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: these are good teams. And then Pittsburgh, the Dallas game,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: back and forth. I mean, that scratches both your edges.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: That game was 31-28 at one point. And the Patriots
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: put it away.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: They had to fight because the other team fought back.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: That was a great game. And I saw Kate Hudson
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: after that game.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: Anthony's in Seattle on the hotline. What's up, Anthony?
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 8: Hey, Fred, Paul, Deuce.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's up, Anthony?
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 9: Is Evan out there?
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: We don't know yet. We're waiting for the report from
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: the CDC.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: Fred's getting ready to send the priest.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 8: Hey, I was sorry for calling in late today. I
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 8: was just listening to you guys finishing up yesterday's show
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: and just hearing you guys, you know, glowing, speaking glowingly
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 8: about Accus and then Raritan's making plays. And I even thought, oh, hey,
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: by the way, Lobo got in. And then, you know what?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 9: The light bulb went off, and I.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 8: Said, you know what, let me call in because I'm
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 8: not big on caller on caller, but our buddy down
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: in L.A., he called in. He said, give him his lumps.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 8: He's down to take his lumps.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm going to hold him to that.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 8: So I want to make sure all lumps are accounted for,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 8: not just the Drake May take, but your unfocused, undisciplined
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 8: coach who didn't get you a guy in the first
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 8: round that could help.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 9: Well, he helped.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 8: If nothing else happens for the rest of the year,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: he helped you out. And then not to mention your
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 8: second-round pick, stud, third-round pick on the fast track to
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 8: possibly becoming a stud. So I just want to make
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 8: sure all lumps are accounted for.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: That's all I got, guys.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: All right, thanks. Studs?
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Studs.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: These guys are studs?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: They could be someday.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: It's good what they're getting out of them. Could be
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: out of the league, too. I mean, who knows? All
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: along the summer, Lomo's going to have to play, and
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: he's going to have to start. So here we go. And,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: you know, hopefully he holds up like he did in–
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: Limited opportunities last week, but good tests for some good
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: edge rushers from the Jets. I see this year, too,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: as just trying to acquire as much experience as possible.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Last year was a flash in the pan a little bit,
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: and you got to go to the Super Bowl. This
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: year is about solidifying your place and making sure you
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: have that depth next year. Then we'll get some experience,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: and we'll see where it all ends up next year.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: Tucker writes in, the Josh McDaniels curve. We've recently been
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: reminded that it takes a few weeks for Josh to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: begin to unlock the full potential of the offense. Can
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: we expect that to occur faster as Drake May gets
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: more experience, or will we always be limited by how
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: fast the newest player on the offense can pick it up?
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: And then when does it stop? It seems like the
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: offense got stale towards the end of last season. As
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: Drake May gains more experience, can we keep pushing that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: drop-off out further and further?
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: I can't help but bring this up because we were
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: just talking about 07. Do you think Josh sat on
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: stuff for 07? Or did he come out guns blazing
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: when he was like 38 points?
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: It was Randy Moss and Wes Welker.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Is that all it is? You don't even have to
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: worry about anything when you've got that much talent?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: You just move the ball.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: You were just better. Oh, my God. That first touchdown
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: pass against the Jets, I remember that like crystal clear
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, my God.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: Because maybe that's a cautionary tale. They came out flying
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: and they couldn't do anything down the stretch.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: And they did sputter down the end, right? They did
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: a little. Lawrence Maroney had to get them through that
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: Jets and Miami game. I mean, he got them through
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: the second half of that Chargers-AFC championship game.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: They scored like 38 points every week for like. the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: first eight weeks of the season, and then all of
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: a sudden it's 20-10. They're struggling. Even in the playoffs,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: they were 21 points against the Chargers. They scored 38
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 5: against that same team earlier in the year.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: And Phillip Rivers had both his ACLs.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, that game could have been... In fairness,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: that game could have had a different outcome if the
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 5: Chargers had any players healthy. It was such a remarkable, like,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 5: what a difference a year makes when I went from,
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 5: you know, going to that 0-6 Chargers game where they
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: were 14-2 and had the MVP and were favored.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: And then you cut to one year later, and it's
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: like completely opposite, like how quickly that all turned.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: Martin in Quebec, I'm currently listening to yesterday's show, and
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: I feel the same way about the referees calling way
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: too many penalties. With technology evolving quickly, especially with AI,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: do you ever see the games being officiated by computer
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: using all the camera angles at their disposition, perhaps even
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: have the option to adjust the sensitivity level of the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: penalties called? Would you like that?
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: AI refs.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think so because I think you need that
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: physical presence on the field.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, guys are going to get in fights. Yeah, it's
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: going to break stuff up. Have a presence.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want the computers to be calling the penalties.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: I just want technology to be used in looking at it.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: Just get it right. Just get it right. They got
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: it right.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: Either that or eliminate the technology. I can go either
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: way on that. You can convince me either way.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: John's in Dallas. What's up, John?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: What's up, fellas?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: How you guys doing? Hey, Jeff.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 7: I had the pleasure of going to the game on Sunday.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: It's probably my 15th Patriots game, but my first one
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 7: I ever brought my fiancee to. So I guess she's
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 7: the good luck charm because I've never seen him win
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: that big in 15 games. I had the pleasure of
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 7: having some legal seafood clam chowder, thanks to your recommendation.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Love that.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: And a Diet Pepsi. So all we were missing was
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: a little Brunt Workwear, and we'd have all the- Nice.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: There you go. There you go. And you don't have
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: snow down there, so you don't have an errands, but
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 4: that's okay.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: That's a good day.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 9: Exactly, exactly.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: Random question for you guys, totally off topic, but what's
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 7: it going to take for Ramondre Stevenson and or Hunter
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: Henry to get a red jacket? You know, obviously we
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 7: drafted Ramondre, so I think, you know, if he has
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 7: another contractor, there's a good chance. But, you know, is
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 7: Hunter Henry a player who didn't start his career with
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: New England? somebody that could be in contention for a
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 7: red jacket, depending on how the rest of the time
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: it all pans out. So, what are your thoughts? Thank God.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: Don't go yet. Have you ever been to Monarch in Dallas?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah. One of my buddies actually had a wedding
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: reception there.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: That's a great restaurant, huh?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: Very good.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: It's a little touristy.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, look, you guys, if you're ever in town,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 7: please let me know. I got some good recommendations.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 4: Okay. Thanks, John.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry? What do you think on those guys?
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: You're small hall guys.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would be a no.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 5: And I know where Hunter Henry is going to end
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: up on the tight end lists, you know, in team history.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: But I would I would be a no on both
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: of those guys.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: They're good players. They're good players and they have been
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: good Patriots.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: I don't really look at them as. Like, so we
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: have Rob Gronkowski, and I'm not saying that that should
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: be the only standard.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Like, you have to be that good.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: But I look at Rob Gronkowski and Ben Coates. I
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: don't look at Hunter Henry like that.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Do you?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 10: No.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: I thought he was going to button hook me there.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I was thinking of, what's.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: His name from the 80s? Marv Cook?
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: Not Marv Cook. Russ Francis.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, Russ Francis is better than those guys.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, though, when you get past the dynasty
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: guys or the obvious dynasty guys, and then you get
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to some of the more down-the-list dynasty guys versus some
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: of the guys who, like, bridge the gap to Drake May.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: And I would assume probably, you know, maybe I'd bet
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: Drake May probably going to be a red jacket guy someday.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: But how do you get there?
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 4: Forget about Gerard Mayo as a head coach.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: Do you think he should be in from a linebacker?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Gerard Mayo?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 10: Yeah. No.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: That was very dismissive.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: I agree with Mike, but I'm just glad that someone
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: else did it.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: He was a good player.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: He was a good player.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: He was a good player.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: Smart.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: They shouldn't be in the Hall because they were good
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 4: guys and I like them.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 5: There are already too many guys in the Hall that
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think were Hall of Fame worthy.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: Well, you can't get Wes Welker. I mean, Wes Welker
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: is like.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: Can't even get him on the ballot.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: Wes Welker should be in.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he should.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: Anyway. All right.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: For the fifth year in a row, I'm going to
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 5: resign if I can't get him on the ballot.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Paul's going to slam down his D'Angelo sub.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: So it's him and Mankins. And who else will be
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: up this year? DMACC. Maybe in the mix.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: Slater. Slater. Yep.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Adam Vinatieri. Adam Vinatieri.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 4: Will he get in?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking about?
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 5: No, no, no. Adam Vinatieri is not in the Hall
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: of Fame. Well, Fred said that was the real Hall
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 5: of Fame that we had a ceremony for the other day.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: I just don't think this will ever happen again. I
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: just think Adam Vinatieri is in such a unique position
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: because he was great in New England and then he
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: went on to more greatness with another team. And that's
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: why there's some question of whether or not he's in
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall of Fame. But I just don't see
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: another player at this point who is.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 5: There's no question.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: The reason why he's not in because he's up against
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: New England. But the reason why he's not in the
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: Patriots Hall of Fame has nothing to do with his
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: time in Indianapolis. It has to do with the fact
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: that he was up against Julian Edelman and Rob Gronkowski
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: in the fans' vote. I understand that. The fans are
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: going to vote for their favorites, and they should. That's
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: what being a fan is all about. I just don't
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: think this situation will happen again. I just don't think
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: there'll be another guy like that. Vrabel.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: It happened to Vrabel.
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying I don't think there'll be another guy
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: that happened after this.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 5: I think it could happen a lot. I think it's
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 5: going to continue to happen.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: Devin McCourty's coming up soon. Like, there's going to be guys.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 5: Matthew Slater's going to be on that ballot soon. There's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: going to be guys that are going to be fan
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 5: favorites over other guys. And there's only one guy that
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 5: can go in at a time, and the fans vote.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 5: So it's going to happen for a while.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: Now, maybe you're talking like 20 years from now when
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: all of the dynasty guys are in. But that's the thing. Like, well, hey,
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: he was a part of two Super Bowls. What did
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: he do? Not much. You know, like, trade flowers. Oh, no.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? At a certain point, you're
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: not going to have Super Bowl after Super Bowl after
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: But don't you think, like, Wes Welker, Logan Mankins, and
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 5: Adam Vinatieri are no doubt, no questions asked, Patriots Hall
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: of Famers.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: There's three years, at least, into the future that you got.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, they're not going to get in the next
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: three years. I'm just going to tell you that right now.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: All three of those guys will not go in the
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 5: next three years. There's going to be other guys on
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: the ballot.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I feel this.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: That are more fan favorites.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: Is Devin McCourty in that group? Like, no questions asked? Like,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: Patriots Hall of Famer?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: I have reservations.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: I would say he's in that group with Logan Mankins.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: What about Matthew Slater?
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: I would have reservations there. Yeah. A lot of reservations.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: But there's no reservation. I'm going to tell you right now,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: he's going to get on the ballot. And if he's
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: on the ballot and the fans vote, he's going in. Like,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: that's just what's going to happen.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Who are the true locks, though, left that haven't been
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: on the ballot or been considered?
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: The only one that hasn't been on the ballot that's
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 5: a lock, in my opinion, is Welker.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 5: The rest of them have been on the ballot.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. I don't know. It's hard. It was just such
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: a unique run where you have so many players. And,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: you know, like in the 90s, you don't have a
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: problem coming out. You know, I mean, the problem is
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: that you don't have anybody.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: I'm teasing you a little bit, but I know exactly
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: what you're talking about. It's going to work itself out.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: You're going to get to a point where it's all
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: going to be like, yes, it's obvious. And I think
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: you were at that point maybe early in the going
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: where it was obvious every year because you didn't have
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: a log jam.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: Well, it was to me, but not to my colleagues.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: There were guys that were put on a ballot that
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: I didn't even think were Patriots Hall of Famers.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: And let alone be finalists.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: At least two.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: And I don't even want to be disrespectful and bring
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 5: up the names. But when you go beyond that, like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 5: with the whole way, like I don't think it's a travesty,
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: which I've heard people call it. I don't think it
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: was a quote unquote mistake that Julian Edelman's in the
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 5: Hall of Fame and Adam Vinatieri is not. And I
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 5: certainly don't think it's a mistake that Rob Gronkowski got
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: in before Adam Vinatieri.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: That's like.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: This is a Patriots Hall of Fame. Are you telling
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: me that there's anybody that would say that Edelman and
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: Gronkowski are not Patriots Hall of Fame worthy?
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: So if you have one guy that's Hall of Fame
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: worthy against another guy that's 100% Hall of Fame worthy,
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: you can only pick one. So I don't think anybody's
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: done anything wrong.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: I was really getting.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: I was getting pushback last week from, you know, on
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: my show when I went into Felger and Mads. You know, like, well,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: you know, you guys, I go, I don't know exactly
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 5: what you want us to do. He's on the ballot.
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 5: He's a finalist. And the fans vote.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: And they went.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: And I don't think it's ridiculous that Gronk got the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: vote over Vinatieri. I don't think that that's silly. I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: don't think it's embarrassing.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: To us in any way. Who would you vote for?
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: But my point, like, he thinks, you know, Mike Felger.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: thinks that we doctored the vote. We put our thumb
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: on the scale. And I just.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 5: Keep telling them that only one can get in and
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: the fans voted. And I don't think, by the way,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: it's the wrong choice to go with Gronk. If I
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: were voting as a fan, I would have voted Gronk. Now,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: I would have voted Vinatieri over Edelman. But Edelman is
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: a no-questions-asked, 100% Patriots Hall of Famer. I just think
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 5: Vinatieri had a better career, and I would have picked
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 5: Vinatieri first. But Gronk had a better career than both
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 5: of them. So that's why I would have taken Gronk.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: I think maybe a better way to state my point
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: was that I don't think someone will get into the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame and then become a Patriots
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. I don't think that that conflict is
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: going to happen again.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 5: That's a different category, but it could happen.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 5: No, Mike's thing could happen. I don't think it will either.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: I think this is kind of a unique situation with
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 5: so many no-brainer candidates at the same time.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: That's just the hardest part to me, is that you
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: have a Pro Football Hall of Famer that's not on
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: your team. That, to me, was the gist of it.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Robert writes in.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: On the topic of close games versus blowout, I like
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 4: the close win like the Bills game. I agree with
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 4: Paul that a close win tells me more about the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: state of the team than a blowout. However, if it's
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: a night game on Thursday, Sunday, or Monday, give me
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: a blowout by halftime one way or the other so
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: I can go to bed. Not as easy to stay
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: up late after turning 50.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: I agree with that as a fan.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Mike. I think the hard part, though, is
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes you blow a team out. How do you know
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: they're a good team or a bad team? That's where
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: you get stuck like, Were they good? Were they not?
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, to the Jaguars, do they feel like they
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: blew out a good Patriots team, or do they feel
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: like they blew out a crappy Patriots team?
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 5: Professionally, I would much rather have it be the opposite
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: of what that was. I would be like that as
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 5: a fan, too. I'd just go to bed because this
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: game is over. If I have to stay up until
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: 2 o'clock in the morning to talk about a game,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 5: I would much rather have it be a close game
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: that I can talk about, like, the things that interest me,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 5: like clock management.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: And game management and stuff like that. You know, why
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: they do this.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, you could have had a field day with
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 5: the Bills and Rams the other night with some of
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: the decisions that were made down the stretch of that game.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: Gerald and Burlington, give me the blowout. That way I
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: can walk the dog when there's four minutes left in
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: the game and be back in time for the postgame show.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: There you go. There you go. yeah different reasons yeah
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: yeah i like it i i do need to blow
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: up blow out one or two a year though i
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: do i i don't want them all close games but
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: i generally like the close games i like competition.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah and again like the bottom line as a fan
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 5: i don't care how i win as long as i
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: get the w at the end of the game like
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: i'm just telling you what i find more enjoyable to
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: experience yeah yeah.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 1: I mean i think there's a There's a part of
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: it professionally. We have to do our show. So having
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: the game kind of wrapped up, that's nice to get
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: into the show and kind of not worry about the
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: back and forth down to the end. But it's also
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: probably more fun to do one of our post-game shows
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: when it was a great game and it was.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: Back and forth.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 5: There's a reason why the Buffalo post-game show was as
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 5: fun as it was.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about purely as a fan.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 5: Fred wasn't on it.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: I want my team to just lay waste to people.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: And then I want them to just... Murder them and.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Then take their girlfriend.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: I love it. That'll be it.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: Like a 45-minute debate over, would you rather win a
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: blowout or a close game?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: You never know.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: All right. That'll be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: But have no fear. We'll be back tomorrow at 11 o'clock.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: We've got picks tomorrow.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Any preview?
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: Real quick, I'm just going to tell you, I am
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: predicting that the Patriots win this game 33-16. I may
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: not be here to do my picks live on the
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: air tomorrow. I know you guys all look for me
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: as that beacon of hope.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: Who's going to keep the book?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Well atop of the picks.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 5: And once again, I separated myself even further from the
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: pack again after week four.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Week five.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: So would you rather have a close picks season or
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: one that you blow us away?
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 5: I just want to win as many games as I can.
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: You don't want to blow us away?
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: I don't care what you guys do.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: I just want to win the games. I can't control
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: what you guys do.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: Do you like to compete?
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: I love to compete. All right.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: If there's one thing you've learned about me in 28 years,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 5: I'm stubbornly competitive.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: All right. So 11 o'clock and then catch 22 at
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: 10 tomorrow, right?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: But what's going on?
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: We don't know. Both of them are questionable.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: Where's Evan?
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: We'll see.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Might have to do that on another. Maybe Mike and
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: I will just come in and catch 22.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: They might have to both do it from their deathbeds.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: What's going on over there?
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: It's the same deathbed.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: Get that mono.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 4: We'll see you tomorrow.
• 1:58:22
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• 1:58:34
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