Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #262 - For Azeroth!: “Optimally Optional Content”
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- 0:0010 point 1.7 has been announced for September 5th, but before we
- 0:04get there we're going to go back and talk about 10 point 1.5 and
- 0:09everything that we have got and might have missed in this latest
- 0:13patch. For Calendar, for the burning
- 0:18region Organeus has not died. For the Lich King.
- 0:25For the Sindora. For the Alliance.
- 0:31For the Horn for Azeroth, Hello, and welcome back to another
- 0:37episode of For Azeroth. I am back from the dead, and I
- 0:41am not alone. I am joined with Halleonics.
- 0:44Halleonics, thank you for joining me today.
- 0:47Thank you for having me. Can you tell people who may not
- 0:51be aware of you a little bit about yourself?
- 0:53My name is Halle Onyx. I've been playing World of
- 0:55Warcraft since it launched in 2004.
- 0:58I was previously a Restoration Shaman main, now I play a
- 1:01Preservation of Ochre. I am an officer in Nat 20 where
- 1:05we run AOTC KSM. I'm also a guide in the Dungeon
- 1:09Dojo, and honestly, I just love creating spaces in Warcraft
- 1:12where people can have a good gaming experience.
- 1:15Yeah, and outside of the game, like, I've seen some of your
- 1:18stuff with the five oh first and that.
- 1:19So you really love getting into various cultures?
- 1:23Oh yeah, tell me honestly, I know it's a little off top of
- 1:27it. Tell me a little bit about the
- 1:28five. Oh, first, cuz I like, you know,
- 1:29I've heard and I've seen some pictures, but I never really got
- 1:32it. So the five oh First Legion is a
- 1:34Star Wars costuming group that does charity through movie
- 1:39quality costumes. So I have a Stormtrooper and I
- 1:42also have a Tuscan Raider. So we will make costumes at the
- 1:47qualifications of what they look like in the movies, and then
- 1:49we'll go do charity work. So we'll work with Make A Wish
- 1:51Foundation. We'll do 5K runs for Alzheimer's
- 1:55Research, pet adoptions, just pretty much anything that is
- 1:58devoted to charity and community.
- 2:00I've been doing that for about 9 or 10 years now, and that is
- 2:04awesome. And then of course, something
- 2:06that you and I have in common is that we're both part of the
- 2:09Dungeon JoJo, But I haven't really talked about that on the
- 2:11show, so I'm gonna use you as an excuse to talk about that.
- 2:14Can you just tell us a little bit about that?
- 2:15Absolutely. So this is a project that Wo Chi
- 2:18want the Dojo Head came up with. He's like look I'm I want to
- 2:22create a place, a community on the European side and the North
- 2:27American side where people who are afraid to get into keys
- 2:30because maybe they don't know how to run mythic plus dungeons.
- 2:34Maybe they need help a little bit help with their.
- 2:35Respect. Maybe they're just kind of
- 2:36looking for like a place that people will help them with these
- 2:41things. They're nervous, they've had bad
- 2:43experiences, pick up groups. So Wochi approached a group of
- 2:46people a couple of years ago and said, look, I want to create
- 2:49this space, Would you be interested in helping?
- 2:52And it's just grown from there and started with maybe a few
- 2:55people, a couple of guides who are like, yes, we'll go ahead
- 2:57and do this. And now it's just, it grows
- 3:00exponentially every day, every day, every time I look at the
- 3:02Discord, I'm like, wow, there's another group of people that
- 3:05have joined us. So there's we do, we'll do
- 3:09rating, We'll teach people how. Here's the latest rate if you
- 3:12wanna go. Run through it.
- 3:14Here's the mechanics of all the raids, the boss fights, and
- 3:16we'll help people. You know, do you need help
- 3:18learning demonology, spec, warlock, that sort of stuff?
- 3:22It's just a place for people to have, again, a positive gaming
- 3:25experience and not feel like the feedback.
- 3:28The only feedback they're going to be getting is somebody
- 3:30quitting on the group and saying get good.
- 3:33Yeah. And so that's one of the big
- 3:36reasons that I really want to jump in and join with the Duncan
- 3:39Dojo, because I like building up people.
- 3:43I like people learning the game. And like you said, it's there's
- 3:47a lot of negative experience with the Keystone dungeons where
- 3:52you're trying to learn. And before this expansion, if
- 3:55you jumped in anywhere other than season one, people are
- 3:58like, well, why don't you already know this?
- 4:00Exactly right. Exactly.
- 4:02And not everybody has the same amount of time to play or knows
- 4:05where to look for the resources on on researching these
- 4:08dungeons. Or, you know, maybe.
- 4:11Maybe they just haven't gotten to that one yet.
- 4:12I mean, there's stuff that they not everybody can play for 8 to
- 4:1616 hours a day. Sometimes they only get to play
- 4:18for a couple hours a week. Sometimes they don't know all
- 4:21the resources out there that you can look up you know learn about
- 4:24how to run the mechanics or the the boss fights or what is a
- 4:26week aura that sort of stuff. Yeah.
- 4:30And so one of the big things that's been happening with 10
- 4:34point 1.5 has been the mega dungeon.
- 4:37And so last episode, which was a little while ago, I got a chance
- 4:41to sit down with two developers and talk about the mega Dungeon.
- 4:45And we have had some time to like actually dig in and play it
- 4:49for ourselves. And so now we're actually
- 4:53getting to know what the mega dungeon's about and what's your
- 4:56initial impressions. So my initial impressions before
- 5:00it launched, going through the developer's notes and hearing
- 5:04what they were talking about, I knew this was gonna be a
- 5:06challenging dungeon. They wanted it to mirror like a
- 5:09mini a miniature raid. So that means that you're gonna
- 5:12have a little bit more coordination.
- 5:14It's nothing that you can kind of walk in there and just brute
- 5:16force DPS it and be done with it.
- 5:19And I was really excited about that.
- 5:20I love that idea. I like stuff where.
- 5:24You can't just tank and spank. I like, you know, let's do this
- 5:27mechanic or this is different. OK, that's cool over there.
- 5:30So it was knowing that I knew it was gonna be challenging.
- 5:34I've only run the dungeon twice and the second time I ran it, I
- 5:39got more feedback about it. As far as like the design from
- 5:43like a personal experience, I was able the first time I ran
- 5:45it. I ran with a like a seasoned
- 5:48tank who just was like, yeah, we're just gonna do this and
- 5:51Yolo, here we go. Which is fun for some people.
- 5:55I don't mind, you know, doing the hands on being thrown in the
- 5:58water, but that's not really great way for everybody to
- 6:00learn. So the second time we went in,
- 6:03you know, I had to remember, OK, for the strats, for this boss,
- 6:05for this. OK, Strats, for this boss, for
- 6:07that. OK, all right.
- 6:08We do this, we do that, you know, And then going from there.
- 6:10So that really showed me how much coordination and
- 6:14communication you have to do in this dungeon, which?
- 6:19Can be a pro and a con. Mostly it's a pro because you're
- 6:22learning. It's supposed to be a mini raid,
- 6:24so you're supposed to be working with your little raid team to
- 6:27get everything done. And because none of the fights
- 6:29are that brute force DPS, you really had to do all the
- 6:33mechanics. You could not skip over a
- 6:36mechanic because then you would wipe the group.
- 6:39So that added a layer of OK, you have to stay on focus like this
- 6:44is we can't just. Top all your cool downs and blow
- 6:48the boss up. I mean, there's some fights were
- 6:50like you did that, like the last phase of it, but you could not
- 6:53just tunnel, you had to do the mechanics every time or else the
- 6:58group would probably probably wipe from that.
- 7:01Yes, that is very true. The way that they've tuned it is
- 7:06that if somebody, any person in your group ignores a mechanic or
- 7:13fails to execute a mechanic, it is going to cause something that
- 7:17you may not recover from the first boss, just those stomps
- 7:22and then going back in for the small circle.
- 7:24Missing that small circle. Unless people are topped up and
- 7:28at a relatively high item level, it will just one shot people.
- 7:32Absolutely, yeah. And there are examples of that
- 7:35through pretty much all the bosses.
- 7:38I think the second boss is really a pug wiper, because Yep,
- 7:42you can't be saved by somebody, You have to be executing those
- 7:45mechanics yourself. Yep, I that's the feedback that
- 7:49I got from a lot of friends who have attempted it is they they
- 7:54went in, they managed to get past that first boss and then
- 7:56you get to the second one and they couldn't because of
- 7:58whatever mutually because they couldn't.
- 8:01They weren't doing the mechanics.
- 8:02Somebody wasn't doing it properly.
- 8:04And so their group would would break up.
- 8:07Yeah. And so I put out a Twitter poll
- 8:12and we had a pretty decent response.
- 8:15Over 100 different people responded and put in their
- 8:18criteria. And while I was surprised by the
- 8:22results, you were not so surprised.
- 8:24So to give people listening a breakdown, we had the number one
- 8:29response was at 40. A little over 46% people had
- 8:35gone through and completed the dungeon, but the second closest
- 8:38response was 45% of people who have never even attempted the
- 8:43dungeon. Between the remaining 10% ish
- 8:48that was there, there were some people who had completed the
- 8:53dungeon on the Quote UN Quote Hard mode, which is like a
- 8:58deathless run while collecting extra items.
- 9:01That is impressive to me, like just that, going through that
- 9:04dungeon. And yeah, that's impressive, but
- 9:08that was less than 5% of the the remaining, the remaining
- 9:12percentage and then there was roughly about 4%.
- 9:17It was 3 point something percent that had gone in and had only
- 9:22been able to complete a couple of bosses.
- 9:24So it seems like once you actually get into it, so the
- 9:29chances of getting through all of those bosses is relatively
- 9:33high if you make a commitment to it.
- 9:37But truly it seems like it is a experience where you have to
- 9:44read the dungeon journal or have prior knowledge and execute
- 9:47those mechanics. Once you get the mechanics, you
- 9:49should succeed. Right.
- 9:52And that's part of the challenge of it.
- 9:55And so it didn't surprise me that half of the respondents
- 9:59hadn't touched it. I think because a lot of people
- 10:01are hearing how difficult it is and the time commitment of it.
- 10:05I mean, it takes you 2 1/2 hours, 3 hours to do it, usually
- 10:09two hours at a minimum. So you gotta be able to sit down
- 10:13for that. Yes, you can come back and
- 10:15complete it at another time, but also.
- 10:17Do you have, you know, as a person with their play time who
- 10:20may be limited? Do you have that time to come
- 10:22back or not? So I think a lot of people have
- 10:25seen it as a daunting thing to join in.
- 10:28They've heard that it's it takes not, I don't say it takes a
- 10:33certain item level, but the higher item level then the
- 10:36easier it is for you to take a hit if something goes awry.
- 10:41And so they're kind of like, well, maybe I only have like a
- 10:43420 item level. I don't know if I can do that.
- 10:46Versus, you know, some people who are going in there with the
- 10:47437 item level and thinking that this is going to be easier.
- 10:51And then also still getting hit with a mechanic because they
- 10:54didn't do it right and going, oh, that wasn't easy, that was
- 10:56punishing. Yeah, to your point, the number
- 11:00one comment that I got from people who took the time to give
- 11:02extra response that had attempted it or we're waiting
- 11:06for it to come to heroic because it's going to be split into two
- 11:09parts and being heroic as soon as 10 point 1.7.
- 11:14But they had said, yeah, I'm getting bounced because I only
- 11:19have an item level of 424, I don't have a 430 item level,
- 11:24average item level and that's why they were getting bounced.
- 11:27In your in your opinion, what would you say is like a
- 11:33reasonable cutoff? Because, you know, sometimes
- 11:35people ask for a little more than what I would consider
- 11:37reasonable. So I actually ran like I ran
- 11:40this dungeon twice. I ran with one group where my
- 11:44tank was very geared for it, and I ran with one group where my
- 11:48tank was not very geared for it. I also ran with a group where we
- 11:51had a relatively higher item level.
- 11:53We had like four 30s in our group and then I had one run
- 11:58where I ran with someone who was running a 422 I think.
- 12:02And the thing was, is that as long as people did the
- 12:06mechanics. We were able to keep everybody
- 12:09pretty much alive. The only time that I ran into
- 12:11like a bit of a problem, I'm the healer so this is coming from my
- 12:14healer standpoint. The only time I ran into a bit
- 12:16of a little problem is if there was a tank Buster mechanic and
- 12:19my lower geared item level tank didn't have a mitigation up in
- 12:24time. So then for then maybe he took a
- 12:27bit more of a hit or you know my DPS that was a little lower item
- 12:32level, forgot to get out of a circle in time and it clipped.
- 12:37Slipped them as they're running and so therefore okay they, it
- 12:39took a lot more health than would have taken of somebody
- 12:42else. So I think that there's the item
- 12:45level requirement definitely helps with regards to your
- 12:48health pool and you're hopefully your damage which you're able to
- 12:53pump out with that. But I don't feel like, you know
- 12:56you have to take somebody you have to take an entire 440 team
- 12:59out there. You could probably do it with
- 13:02the like the 4:28 to four 30s. If you are just doing your
- 13:07mechanics properly, you have, you know, your flasks and your
- 13:09oils and your, you know, enhancements out there.
- 13:13Yeah, I mean there there's definitely a kind of a a
- 13:20increased separation in item levels, like when you have
- 13:23people who are running 440 item levels, right, like mid four 40s
- 13:28and stuff. Those are the people who are
- 13:29really pushing, and so they've got all their flasks and stuff
- 13:32and they're already bringing that to bear.
- 13:34We have people who are at closer to like let's say 410 and such.
- 13:39Those people may decide that they're going to skip particular
- 13:43enchantments or gems and such and not have the best gear
- 13:46because they're going to replace it with higher gear and it it
- 13:50creates a larger divide than just the strict item level would
- 13:54tell you. And so when I've run this and I
- 13:59believe it was two weeks ago or or last week that I ran and I
- 14:03had a 413 item level tank and we got through it.
- 14:09I think that's more of an exception than the rule.
- 14:12And I think that's kind of why people push towards the higher
- 14:15item levels. But I think it's exactly like
- 14:17you said, if you can do those mechanics, if you're paying
- 14:20attention, you should be able to get through it.
- 14:23Of course, it's going to be obviously a lot easier when you
- 14:27have people with much higher item levels, but it's not the
- 14:31strict cutoff then. Exactly, yeah.
- 14:34I think though there's a community.
- 14:36Misperception is what I'll call it, of you have to bring that
- 14:40higher item levels so that you can just brute force your way
- 14:43through it. And this dungeon is not one of
- 14:45those things like you can't just you can't treat it like a key.
- 14:50Where you're just going to blow your cool downs through all the
- 14:53trash or the boss and then that's gonna be it.
- 14:55Like it's there's a lot more coordination to it.
- 14:58So there's there's stuff where you have to think about, you
- 15:02know, yeah, I can use my, I can use my cool downs during this
- 15:05part, but I can't. I can't tunnel.
- 15:09And that's, I think that's the big thing that the community at
- 15:12a large will. Forget is that they want that
- 15:16higher item level because they think that it means that you can
- 15:19get carried or you can tunnel, but that's not the case in this
- 15:22dungeon at all, and I like that. I like forcing players to do
- 15:26something a little different where they can't just look at
- 15:32the numbers on their DPS meters and say look at that I did that.
- 15:36You have to go through and do your mechanics.
- 15:40So we already said that second boss causes a struggle for a lot
- 15:43of people who managed to get through that first boss.
- 15:46What would you say is one of the toughest bosses in this dungeon?
- 15:51Morchi was the next one, cuz the first two required that
- 15:57coordination and we're kind of like the gatekeeper bosses is if
- 15:59you kind of wanna look at it that way just to kind of set you
- 16:02up of hey, by the way this is what you're gonna be up against
- 16:05for the next 8 bosses so don't don't get you know.
- 16:08Thinking that this is gonna get easier now, it does get a little
- 16:11easier as on some of the mid range bosses like the Blight of
- 16:14Galacon was a easier fight. Some of the other ones get, you
- 16:18know, a bit easier, but we get to Morchi.
- 16:21Morchi was another one that I just.
- 16:22I struggled with and I actually ended up I I found a lot of
- 16:27feedback on that fight from other people saying that this
- 16:31fight was just not a fun, intuitive fight to do with so.
- 16:37By fun and intuitive, we're talking about more of like kind
- 16:41of like the the design of things.
- 16:43When you're designing encounters, you want them to be
- 16:45challenging, but you want them to be fun.
- 16:46You don't want your players to feel as though they're being
- 16:49overwhelmed or it's impossible for them to get through this
- 16:53this encounter. You want them to feel as though
- 16:55they are able to progress to that reward, to that defeat of
- 16:58the boss. The Morchi fight does not give
- 17:01you a lot of the feedback or a lot of that constructive fun.
- 17:06Through the fight and there's a couple of reasons why.
- 17:08So First off is the mechanic where you have to trap your
- 17:13alternate self in the sand traps throughout the arena.
- 17:16There are never enough sand traps to trap all of the all
- 17:21five players alternate selves and you have to do this.
- 17:25You have to trap them thing at least twice.
- 17:27Each time one of them comes up before they go away.
- 17:31So that automatically means that one person in your party is
- 17:34going to be. Fighting their alternate self
- 17:37around for most of let's say 30 seconds, and I don't remember
- 17:41all of the timers very well, but you would have that.
- 17:45You have one person having to kite and chances are it's going
- 17:48to be like your healer or your tank, which is not really a lot
- 17:51of fun for either of those roles to have to do.
- 17:54The second mechanic is when she summons her alternate selves
- 17:58around the edges of the room and you have to find which one is
- 18:01the correct one now. That's a great mechanic and fun,
- 18:06but I feel like the time limit on finding that finding the true
- 18:10morchi is really hard to do. It's a very short time limit and
- 18:14you're looking across an arena and you're trying to find the
- 18:17one morchi that doesn't have a hat.
- 18:19And to make things even worse, there's one another Morchi that
- 18:22has a very tiny hat. On her head, that crown.
- 18:26Yes, So a lot of people will be like it's that one, and they'll
- 18:29dash to the crowned Morchi, only to discover that it was actually
- 18:33the other Morchi across the room and the sand Breath goes off and
- 18:38you're dead. So what I saw from various
- 18:42people who were running this dungeon.
- 18:45What they started doing is they started sacrificing a DPS pretty
- 18:50much at the start of the fight before the alternate use came
- 18:53out. They would let the three DPS go
- 18:57to town and then they would say all right, one of you sacrifice
- 19:01yourself and therefore that gave you enough puddles to handle the
- 19:06sand trap mechanic. But then you still had to handle
- 19:10the other mechanic. And because of its, you know,
- 19:12its RNG nature, because it involves communication, you know
- 19:17it was it helps to be on Discord or some voice client to to yell,
- 19:20oh, it's it's the it's the blue diamond, it's the blue or
- 19:22whatever, you know, get across the room to that one if that
- 19:26helped. But you still like if you didn't
- 19:28have a mobility, if you were on the other side of the room, If
- 19:31you just happen to be at the wrong place, the wrong time,
- 19:33because you were staring at a health bar trying to get a heel
- 19:35off you, chances were you could not get to the correct side of
- 19:39the room. In time.
- 19:41And so you ended up dying. The second time I ran this
- 19:44dungeon, we actually only completed that fight because we
- 19:47had two warriors who basically self healed them the way through
- 19:52the last 20% of the fight, which I was just like, this is not a
- 19:57way to do a fight. I don't like that idea at all.
- 20:00OK, so four people who are dealing with this fight.
- 20:09What would you say are helpful things to help them for?
- 20:13Helpful tips to help them through this.
- 20:15So I think there's setting using the markers to communicate cuz a
- 20:22lot of the add-ons like deadly boss mods and big woods will put
- 20:25the markers on the more cheese as they spawn.
- 20:28So using a voice client to communicate which one it is, is
- 20:33probably gonna be the easiest way of doing it.
- 20:36And then I've discovered that you didn't have to get to
- 20:39exactly the correct morchi. You just had to be mostly on its
- 20:43side of the room. And then the sand breath, you
- 20:46could avoid the conal of the sand breath.
- 20:47So at least you know you didn't have to get straight to that
- 20:50marker. If you were within like 20 to 30
- 20:53yards either way of that marker, then you were safe.
- 20:56You just kind of had to get to that side.
- 20:57So that helped out a lot. Being ready to move is another
- 21:01thing. It's a moving fight.
- 21:03It's it's not a fight where you're gonna be able to sit
- 21:06there and and just fire away or way along, way away on the boss.
- 21:10Get ready to move, watch your feet constantly.
- 21:12So it's again, none of these fights are brute force.
- 21:17You gotta sit there and do all the mechanics for it.
- 21:19But that's also great because none of the fights have enrage
- 21:21timers. So you can take as long as well,
- 21:24not as long as you need, but you can take a long time getting
- 21:27through these fights. And so I think that's.
- 21:30That that. I think that's the the biggest
- 21:32help would be that because I mean, if you wanna go with the
- 21:35Strat of sacrificing a DPS and therefore you know you don't
- 21:38have to have that fifth person kite around their other AD,
- 21:43that's an option. But I don't feel like that's
- 21:46good. I don't think that's good
- 21:48teamwork or good fun for the team, because then you have
- 21:50somebody who's just basically on the floor the entire time and
- 21:53that's no fun for that person, so.
- 21:55It was like my group found found it more fun to give it, put it
- 21:59in perspective. We saved we we saved Morchi and
- 22:01Deos for the last two and we found it more constructively fun
- 22:06wiping on Deos than we did Morchi.
- 22:09Like we got through morchi and we were just like we're done
- 22:12finally. And we were mad like we're just
- 22:14it didn't feel like victory. It just felt like anchor.
- 22:17And then we went to Deos and we ended up, you know, wiping a
- 22:20couple times. But we got that feedback of OK,
- 22:23ohh, we need to move. Clockwise or we need to move
- 22:26this way or we need to call out. You know we need to focus that
- 22:29ad we got that that feedback through failure that let us know
- 22:33do here's how to do better next time.
- 22:35The Morchi fight didn't really give us that.
- 22:37It was just basically up. You failed.
- 22:38Too bad. Yeah, I found that with the
- 22:42morchi. Fight it.
- 22:43I've had a paladin who was super nice and bubbled the healer so
- 22:48that the healer could like hold their ad for a bit and and work
- 22:53on it. But yeah, it it gets
- 22:56progressively worse. And it has felt that if you have
- 22:59one person who just sort of like, you know, lays down so
- 23:03that the traps can go longer, you get through that fight.
- 23:07I know that they have also made a change so that you have a
- 23:10little more time on that breath. Well that's good.
- 23:13It just felt too short like it was.
- 23:16I don't remember the the timing on it, but I want to say it was
- 23:18something like 8 seconds maybe which is.
- 23:22It sounds, you know, on paper a long time, but not really.
- 23:25Not when you're trying to scan through the room real quick and
- 23:29you know, look you oh wait, is this the crowned Morchi or is
- 23:31this the Nope, that's the Bunny Ear Morchi.
- 23:33Never mind. OK, so it's it.
- 23:35Actually, 8 seconds goes by really, really quick.
- 23:38Yeah. And I've also found that voice
- 23:40calms is so important for that fight.
- 23:43Just. But yeah, movement is such a
- 23:45huge part of that fight, like you were saying.
- 23:48I can't imagine how that fight's gonna be on the thick plus.
- 23:52Like if if it gets if when it gets added to the rotation, I'm
- 23:55like, Oh my gosh, I don't know how anybody's gonna do that
- 23:57fight on Mythic Plus. I believe it's going to get
- 24:00further nerfed. I have seen in multiple
- 24:03occasions where something will go from the Mega dungeon version
- 24:07to a Mythic Plus version and they will adjust it to be at a
- 24:13base level weaker than the Mythic version.
- 24:18That would probably because between that, like there's areas
- 24:21of time to dialogue, there's the gauntlet room where you have to
- 24:24have your your team rush through basically all dodgeball.
- 24:29I can't imagine trying to do that on Mythic Plus.
- 24:32OK Dodgeball. That, to me, is the hardest
- 24:35boss, and it's entirely. It is a very hard boss, but even
- 24:38that one's still kind of fun, cuz I mean you just it's just a
- 24:42bullet through a flock of doves. Go, I've.
- 24:45I've gone through it and the first time I was trying and I
- 24:50did this on stream, so it's probably on there, but the first
- 24:53time I did it fairly quickly. In some subsequent attempts,
- 24:57I've just been like, OK, I give up, wait till somebody else gets
- 24:59through and like summoned. Me through cuz yes, you just
- 25:03have some random times where you.
- 25:05I don't know, maybe I was more tired or more awake at certain
- 25:08points or jazzed up on coffee, but.
- 25:10The luck was on your side sometimes and sometimes no
- 25:13exactly. And so that to me is
- 25:16frustrating. It doesn't feel like I figured
- 25:18it out. It just feels like I got lucky
- 25:19this time and I haven't been able to replicate it.
- 25:23That is true. That is, yeah.
- 25:24The I can see how that could be frustrating, especially if you
- 25:28just for whatever reason you have somebody that can't make it
- 25:31through or nobody in your party can make it through but those.
- 25:35Things like that, like the Gauntlet room, the room right
- 25:38where you're opening the portals in the the sand pile with all
- 25:41the little the ads that open up the the sand and that's in your
- 25:45way. Yeah, all that sort of stuff.
- 25:46It's like, OK, that's, you know that that's got to be retuned
- 25:50for Mythic Plus, because, I mean there's there's just a lot of
- 25:53stuff. It's gonna be interesting to see
- 25:54what they're gonna have to retune from Mythic Plus, because
- 25:56there's just a lot to this dungeon being that it was, it
- 25:59was keyed to be a raid, like a raid style, I guess.
- 26:04And raids aren't meant to be run on a timer.
- 26:07Yeah, and I know Ali's yelling at me for not saying mega
- 26:11dungeon properly, but perhaps a better way of describing this is
- 26:15mini Raid. It is a five man raid and so
- 26:18I've been enjoying it a lot. With that said, do you have any
- 26:22closing thoughts on the Mega Dungeon?
- 26:24I am super, super intrigued as to what we're gonna do with the
- 26:27lore, the ending cinematic, with with all.
- 26:31I'm not gonna spoil any of it, but the ending cinematic.
- 26:33Just. I had.
- 26:34I was going, oh, man, where are we going with this?
- 26:37What's next? OK, all right.
- 26:39What's next? It was.
- 26:40It was hooked. I got hooked on it.
- 26:43Very nice. Talking about dungeons.
- 26:46One of the big things that has been on people's minds and in
- 26:51the conversation has actually been that five man tuning.
- 26:55And so we got a post out this week about changes that are
- 27:01going to be coming for tuning this coming week.
- 27:05And they are some big changes specifically geared towards five
- 27:11man content. So what people are being
- 27:14considered, what people have been calling the God comp, The
- 27:19composition that includes like an augmentation of Volker, the
- 27:23Guardian Druid, that Holy Paladin, the Fire Mage, and a a
- 27:30shadow priest to go through the through these dungeons, all
- 27:36parts of that have received some form of nerf.
- 27:40They've also brought up a couple of different classes that
- 27:43they're hoping can challenge these classes for their spot.
- 27:47So we've seen some buffs going for decays specifically on Holy.
- 27:53We have seen some buffs for warriors and Outlaw rogues, and
- 28:00I believe the last one was Hunter Marksman.
- 28:03Hunter also got some buffs. Right.
- 28:06In your, in your mind, have you felt that like that was the only
- 28:11comp or that comp was so much above everything else that
- 28:13everything else kind of paled in comparison?
- 28:17So class balance is one of the things that I'm least
- 28:19knowledgeable about, so I try to keep.
- 28:23I try to keep an eye on what's going on with a lot of this, but
- 28:25since I'm not pushing a lot of meta quote UN quote stuff.
- 28:30I I fall out of out of touch with what's going on.
- 28:33However, I did notice that there was that God Mode comp setup
- 28:38that was going through pretty much all of the the recent MDI
- 28:42and the great push. And that almost made it kind of
- 28:44boring because all you would see is the same.
- 28:47Mostly all the teams were the same setup and it was like, wow,
- 28:50I'd love to see something else, you know, let's see another spec
- 28:53in here. Let's see something else.
- 28:56Shine, you know? So I had a couple of thoughts
- 28:58about this. With class balance and the the
- 29:02nerves that are coming in, I feel like the the nerves were
- 29:05probably needed because you just had everyone settle into the
- 29:10same 5 cookie cutter. This is what we're going to
- 29:12bring to every key. And if you weren't in one of
- 29:15those specs, then you never made it into any of the higher keys
- 29:19because again, the communities. Preconception is that you have
- 29:23to be these things in order to be successful, which is
- 29:26incorrect. But you know, that's a whole
- 29:28nother can of worms to open up, so I'm glad to see that they
- 29:33they nerfed some of that in order to hopefully give other
- 29:37classes a chance to shine. But my only concern with that is
- 29:40that if you nerf the top level of of specs but you don't buff
- 29:48the others that are falling behind.
- 29:51Then basically all you've done is lock people out of doing 20
- 29:54eighths and 20 nines. And that's kind of, that's not
- 29:56really a whole lot of fun. So I'm glad to see that like
- 29:58Warrior got something added, Marksman, Hunter's got something
- 30:02added. The other one that was in there
- 30:04that I'm glad to see that some of them are being tuned, but I
- 30:07think that maybe there's some other tuning that will probably
- 30:10need to happen. And I'm but I'm really curious
- 30:12where we're going to be in a few weeks because the class
- 30:14balancing of Warcraft is always changing as far as like we can,
- 30:18you know. We can trend it and see, yeah,
- 30:21there's usually somebody usually certain specs that tend to rise
- 30:24to the talk. But then we start up, you know
- 30:25when we rebalance and and play around with the numbers a little
- 30:28bit, we see other specs unexpectedly maybe rise to the
- 30:32top. It would be nice to see unholy
- 30:33decay at the top more because I feel like just I don't ever see
- 30:38any any decays in anything. But I again that's just probably
- 30:42is the circles that I run in. So I would like to see others.
- 30:46I like see others shine. I would love seeing, you know,
- 30:48Enhancement Shaman Shine, because I think it would be fun.
- 30:52Yeah. And I think even though they're,
- 30:55you know, buffing and nerfing these damage numbers, I actually
- 30:59think that that's not really where the conversation is.
- 31:03Like, obviously that when they're speaking about Evokers
- 31:06and how much it provides to everybody else's damage, they
- 31:10know that that's not totality of the reason that augmentation is
- 31:14being brought. It's because of all the utility
- 31:18that's being brought. On top of that, it's the fact
- 31:20that, like, they make tanks tankier with their shield.
- 31:25It's the fact that they make the healers more effective because
- 31:27they're providing mainstat buffs there as well.
- 31:31And I think that when you're looking at these classes, some
- 31:35of the ones that are in that composition, they are doing so
- 31:40well, not just because of their damage, but because of like the
- 31:44the extreme utility that they're bringing in passives that
- 31:48they're bringing. And I think that's why you're
- 31:53you're likely to see some additional changes in line with
- 31:57that. A lot of what people have been
- 31:59saying with Season 2, and a lot of the conversations that have
- 32:03happened with Season 2 are actually around the utility.
- 32:07If you remember the first couple of weeks of Season 2, all those
- 32:12Death Knights and all those warriors were complaining about
- 32:15afflicted. And I'm forgetting the other
- 32:19one. Oh, incorporeal.
- 32:21Yeah, right, because they couldn't do anything about it.
- 32:25Warrior damage isn't horrible by any stretch of the imagination.
- 32:30They do amazing Aoe, but not being able to have any kind of
- 32:38counter for that affix was huge for them.
- 32:42Yep. And they ended up getting locked
- 32:43out of a lot of groups on those weeks because they had nothing
- 32:45to help with. Yeah, I think that priests, one
- 32:49of the big reasons that people were looking at priests wasn't
- 32:53just because of their damage, was because they could do a like
- 32:58mass dispel and clear off all that bursting and you could just
- 33:01move right on to the next pack and not have to slow your damage
- 33:04or anything. And those sort of abilities are
- 33:10what's causing these comps to be so strong.
- 33:14The fact that they're so little melee in here, I think it's
- 33:22because Holy Paladin is has an interrupt roughly around the
- 33:27range of melee, right? So they're able to to pull that
- 33:31in. I think that Druids would not be
- 33:36as pervasive if you were relying on them to bring a melee.
- 33:41That would be more of a reason to bring in like so many of the
- 33:45other tanks that have a much shorter sorry that have a short
- 33:49cooldown interrupt if that was the way, way to go about it.
- 33:52So I think the conversation now shifting towards what utility
- 33:59people are bringing, like it's a it's very interesting and it's a
- 34:03different change than it used to be.
- 34:05And once they can start nailing that down, it will be it.
- 34:09It's just such a cool week. Because I know it sucks when you
- 34:15don't have like the perfect counter to an affix, but I would
- 34:20like the comp to sort of change a bit from week to week based on
- 34:26the affix. So that instead of not having
- 34:30any ability to count or something, warriors had a
- 34:34limited ability to count or something.
- 34:35And so it's not like they're useless, but they're not as good
- 34:39as something else. So when we have the incorporeal
- 34:44as a shaman, I can hex, but a pallet has an instant cast and
- 34:48it's it's more effective to bring the pallet.
- 34:51It doesn't mean people will reject me from the groups
- 34:53because I still have something towards it.
- 34:57Right. I think that the conversation
- 35:00around utilities has definitely been with, especially with the
- 35:03the new ethics that's coming in has definitely been something
- 35:06that keeps evolving as Season 2 comes out and we Start learning
- 35:11like Oh yeah, like the like the Warriors being the best example
- 35:14of that. Like, oh, we want to be able to
- 35:16to give them some way. To interrupt so that they're
- 35:20given this way to handle these things so that they're actually
- 35:22included and they don't feel excluded or you know somebody
- 35:24prefer bringing in the priests. And I'm glad that that I'm glad
- 35:28that that conversation is happening.
- 35:30And overall I'm glad that the class balance conversation is so
- 35:35quick. It seems like, you know we're
- 35:37getting a lot of even little tweaks here and there.
- 35:39We're getting them quickly throughout the.
- 35:42Throughout the the season actually through all of
- 35:44Dragonfly, you know, we know that there's some classes that
- 35:46still need entire reworks and that have been, you know put
- 35:49off. I think Rogue is is up for an
- 35:51entirely new rework. But it's still nice to see them
- 35:54working through and tweaking here and there and here and
- 35:56there to see you know, OK, this we can do this one better or you
- 36:00know, we need to adjust this just a little bit more.
- 36:02Yeah, definitely. Things have not been stale,
- 36:05especially since yet we're in 1.15 and rather 10.15 and we got
- 36:12this whole new spec and it's completely shifted the meta.
- 36:15Right, right. Question for you.
- 36:18Do you think that we're going to see more buff roles or buff
- 36:25talents coming in the future? Do you think augmentation has
- 36:29been relatively good for the game and you want to see more of
- 36:32it, or do you think maybe they went a little too far?
- 36:36I think augmentation is a great thing.
- 36:37I love the idea of a support character and I think that the
- 36:40community really loves it too. I think the the hard part right
- 36:43now with support character is how to quantify what it's doing
- 36:50as far as in your your like your meters and logs and things like
- 36:55that How to cuz I may even hear this back from from augmentation
- 36:59evokers themselves going OK how do I know if I'm doing this
- 37:02right. And because they want that
- 37:04feedback, they wanna be able to to know that they're playing
- 37:07this new class correctly. So I think that after a lot of
- 37:11that gets worked out and we Start learning, you know,
- 37:14here's, here's how to to, here's how to quantify it, here's how
- 37:18to give you the data that you need.
- 37:20OK, here's how to make this one better.
- 37:21OK, now we need to to tweak that because Evan might might be a
- 37:23little too too overpowered. Hold on whatever that you get
- 37:27that kind of thing. It's it's an iteration cycle
- 37:29that's gonna have to happen in in live essentially as the
- 37:31community goes through and tests it.
- 37:34I think that after that settles down, I think we're gonna see
- 37:37more support classes. I think that a lot of people are
- 37:39having fun with this because it's different.
- 37:41It's a new style of stuff. And again, going back to, it's
- 37:45not, it's not that immediate. Like when you look at the
- 37:50augmentation of over on the meters, they're gonna be at the
- 37:53very, very bottom because it's not about them.
- 37:56It's about them supporting the rest of their party.
- 37:59So I think that there's a group of people who are really going
- 38:02to love that that play style and I think we'll probably see
- 38:05another support class in the future.
- 38:07Oh yeah, for sure. And we have seen already
- 38:09Warcraft logs has made adjustments so that you can
- 38:12attribute how much the augmentation the augmentation
- 38:16invoker gave to the rest to their own damage.
- 38:19It just hasn't really happened in the, like, live meters right
- 38:23now. And I think you are right.
- 38:25Once you, once the community as a whole, gets a grasp on what
- 38:30the the Evokers are bringing when they're in augmentation,
- 38:33specialization, it's going to completely change the kind of
- 38:38dialogue that we saw right at the beginning where people are
- 38:40like, whoa, why is your meter so low?
- 38:42Right, exactly. Yeah, OK.
- 38:45So beyond just the augmentation invokers, we got a lot of stuff
- 38:50that came in 10 point 1.5. It's so much stuff coming in
- 38:54this patch. It was great when so much of it,
- 38:58pretty much all of it, was optional.
- 39:01Like if you did it, if we already had 45% of people
- 39:05saying, Nah, I'm not going to do the mega dungeon which had the
- 39:09direct power rewards. And so much of the rest of the
- 39:13stuff came that came in don't have direct power rewards.
- 39:18They're about transmog, they're about story.
- 39:21They're about like mounts and such, right?
- 39:24Like non power rewards, a lot of people may have skipped what we
- 39:28got in 10 point 1.5. So let's go through through
- 39:33these. We had the time Ifs, we had the
- 39:35Welp Daycare, we had the Eon's Edge dailies and we had the
- 39:40secrets of Nacks just from those four.
- 39:44And I'm sorry if I missed anything else, but just from
- 39:47those four, have you done them all?
- 39:49I have done all of them except the secrets of Nacks.
- 39:53OK, great. So I'll, I'll talk heavy about
- 39:55the sequence of Max, because that's where I've disappeared to
- 39:58recently. But let's go through it.
- 40:02The big one that I think most people touched on was the Time
- 40:05Riffs. What was your impression of the
- 40:09Time Riffs like? Did you dive into it
- 40:11immediately? Are you still playing it right
- 40:12now? I I both.
- 40:15I dove into it immediately. I still play it right now I'm
- 40:18still working on on finishing up the reputation with Sorry Normie
- 40:22because you know there's an achievement and I leave a title
- 40:24with that and of course I just love achievements and titles and
- 40:27mounts and stuff. So I was very excited to see
- 40:30this content come out. It's great repeatable in the
- 40:34fact of it is randomized. So every Time Rift is just
- 40:38different. So you're not and you're not
- 40:40going to have the same tasks every time Rift.
- 40:43You're not gonna have the same thing going on every time Rift.
- 40:46So that randomization was great. You could always you knew that
- 40:51it wasn't going to be, it's always gonna be Murloc's cuz the
- 40:55Murloc's take over everything. So I liked that.
- 40:59It was also, I liked how it was always on the hour.
- 41:03It was very easy to okay. It's 10:00.
- 41:06Let me go do that time Rift and then I'll go to bed.
- 41:11It was. I'm incredibly appreciative the
- 41:13longer that I've been playing this game of watching how far
- 41:17the tech in Warcraft has come along.
- 41:20So if you think back many, many years ago, something like this
- 41:25probably would not have been really available to do.
- 41:29Sharding would have probably helped with like the server load
- 41:32of people trying to do it. But the idea of multiple people,
- 41:37let's say a 40 Man Group doing different tasks and each person
- 41:41within that group, you know, has to go do, you know, 10 people
- 41:44have to go do task A, 10 people have to go do task B, 10 people
- 41:47have to go task C It's kind of this open scenario that's going
- 41:51on probably would not have happened.
- 41:54And the feast is, you know, this garden feast out there.
- 42:00That's probably the first where the first iteration of the
- 42:03technology used in the the time rifts.
- 42:06So learning and adapting quickly on how that was built enabled.
- 42:11You know, you'd be able to do time rips with groups of, you
- 42:14know, the same group of outdoor people.
- 42:16So they didn't have to be in a raid group.
- 42:18You didn't have to instance them into a scenario or a dungeon or
- 42:21something like that. So that the technology is just
- 42:24rapidly evolving. And I love it.
- 42:26I'm so glad to see that. I know that there were a lot of
- 42:29issues with it early on. You know, I heard that people
- 42:33couldn't get into phasing was was rough.
- 42:35They couldn't get into the final time rift.
- 42:37If you were unfortunate enough to get into the Lich King time
- 42:40rift one, you could very quickly die to the defile because of the
- 42:45lag that was in there. So I know that there's still
- 42:47things that need to be fixed. But as far as the content coming
- 42:53out and what it what it offered, the package itself was like,
- 42:56this is, this is great, this is very, very cool.
- 42:58And you know, the fact that you can get the mounts, the pets,
- 43:00the transmog, My gosh, there are so much trans mod options in
- 43:05this in this game now. It's insane how much trans mod
- 43:11there is and I like we'll be talking a little bit about that.
- 43:15It's a cap off, but like I have enjoyed all the different
- 43:19rewards. And for my part, the riffs was
- 43:22the first thing I dove into because there was a ton of
- 43:24mounts and everybody who listens to show knows that I am a person
- 43:28who hunts down mounts and. Yeah, So I went through and
- 43:35there was a beneficial bug where you could use that item that
- 43:40guaranteed that the next time you would get a reward, and then
- 43:44that buff wouldn't fall off. Yes, I I encountered that in the
- 43:48first week. I was like, oh, I don't think
- 43:49that's supposed to happen, but OK.
- 43:52Yeah, I I didn't know about it until it was reported and then I
- 43:56logged in. I'm like, oh, I still have that.
- 43:58That might be why I've got so much.
- 44:02Right, and I played through the Time Rifts until I got every
- 44:05mount on my main and then I jumped over to my Alliance alt
- 44:09and I just got enough currency both by shifting it over and
- 44:13playing like the initial part to get the last mount there.
- 44:18And I enjoyed it, but I haven't kept up with it for the
- 44:22reputation. I had to go check to see where I
- 44:25was at. I'm currently. 6430 out of the
- 44:3010,000 to get the Rift Mender. I think it's more in there too.
- 44:38OK, so maybe I'm closer to the end, who knows.
- 44:42But it was pretty enjoyable. I like the alternate timelines.
- 44:46I just it it's a palette tease. Like I just, I wanna know more
- 44:53and they have those secrets in there or not even secrets.
- 44:56They're just like little. Things that drop and you get
- 44:59like a little event that will happen, like you'll get the
- 45:04Murloc version of Alex Traza, He'll come in and be like, yeah,
- 45:08let's make peace. So this stuff doesn't happen.
- 45:11Yeah. So the the Temporal Temporal
- 45:14Acquisition specialist, I think is the achievement for all of
- 45:17those things. And it's little quests that'll
- 45:20drop throughout depending on which time rift you're in.
- 45:24Some of them are static based on the phase two boss that you get,
- 45:27but then there's four or five of them that rotate depend on
- 45:31depending on which time task shows up.
- 45:36Yeah, and so I've done a couple of them.
- 45:41I've got like probably most of them, but like even though the
- 45:45ones where I've I've completed them, I still want to know more.
- 45:48I I'm hoping that these show up again later on.
- 45:52Where? If you're doing like the the
- 45:56next thing that we were gonna talk about is the Eon's Edge
- 45:59dailies. And when you're doing those
- 46:02those you'll have like the Murloc version of Anduin show up
- 46:08and he's part of the like unlocking request.
- 46:10And why is Findo in here is is one of the questions you asked
- 46:13the the blacksmith is why is Findo in here?
- 46:16And the blacksmith is like, well the it's supposed to be here.
- 46:19He's you. But you as the player go, no,
- 46:22the Murlocs aren't supposed to be here.
- 46:23Hold on. And you're fixing his sword, the
- 46:27like Murloc version of Charlemagne, which I it was
- 46:31like, see, Shallow. Yes, See Charlemagne.
- 46:35It's very clever. And there's so much in there
- 46:38that's very cool. But like, I think I went about
- 46:44two days before I realized that. Oh.
- 46:47These dailies, the Eon's Edge dailies even existed.
- 46:51I went almost two weeks. I completely forgot because
- 46:55there's there was no breadcrumb for it.
- 46:57Or at least if there was, it just didn't seem like maybe I
- 47:00just forgot it. My quest log.
- 47:01I lost it. But yeah, I almost went two
- 47:03weeks and then did. Oh no, I forgot about those.
- 47:06Yeah, there's like I think 1 little quest that you could, but
- 47:11you could have skipped. It entirely that is the go over
- 47:14here to start these quests. It is not part of the main story
- 47:17storyline. I think there are some of like
- 47:19the coolest little explorations of some of these these events
- 47:25that are in there and some of them are like fairly expansive
- 47:30for like a small little side quest where you like help the
- 47:33artist through like gaining his mojo back.
- 47:36And yeah, the one that to do the music like you know what's the
- 47:39it's all the music based ones. He's a musician, isn't he?
- 47:42Yes. And so, like, that is like a
- 47:46much bigger side quest than I would have thought from any of
- 47:49these. And considering all the
- 47:51controversy that was around these because like when they
- 47:53were originally data mined, you had the quest where you were
- 47:59working with the Bronze to fix Alex Strauss's imprisonment so
- 48:03that she wouldn't get released early.
- 48:05And so people are like, wow, I feel really sick being not even
- 48:10being complacent. But aiding in prolonging
- 48:15somebody's imprisonment, among other things that happened
- 48:19during that imprisonment, I think that I I wish that they
- 48:26would have started on a different point of that quest.
- 48:30Like there's so much that goes on in that that Dragon Moss
- 48:33storyline that I wish that you could have focused on something
- 48:36else in there. Maybe, you know, help the bronze
- 48:38dragon flight stop one of the orcs from doing something bad or
- 48:43something. I feel like I feel like focusing
- 48:46on that. Well I understand that it's it's
- 48:50something that I hate to say has to happen.
- 48:54I feel like, you know the designers could have picked
- 48:56something else and then we wouldn't have had this whole
- 48:58conversation. So I don't know it was it was
- 49:01very weird when I I remember reading about it and and going
- 49:04why did we, why did they pick that to go on?
- 49:07Why not something else. I mean this is a game where
- 49:10we're, you know, we know that we're we're we have quests.
- 49:13We have to go kill somebody. You know we have other quests
- 49:15you know we've helped the bronze Dragonflight kill important
- 49:18figures before in order to maintain the timeline.
- 49:20But maybe, you know, maybe we just forgot that sometimes we
- 49:24have the option to choose a different story to focus on or
- 49:28different aspect of a story to focus on.
- 49:30I don't know, it was it was very weird.
- 49:32I I kind of was wondering why they decided to do that.
- 49:35Yeah, I don't think we'll ever get the full story behind that
- 49:39and especially considering when they made the change to the
- 49:43quest so that instead of fixing it so that.
- 49:50People wouldn't come across her earlier.
- 49:51It was fix it so that people actually discover her correctly,
- 49:55right. Because like the the the
- 50:01infinite Dragons, they they move something so that Ronan wouldn't
- 50:07come across her. So you have to like move it back
- 50:10to the right position so that she does get freed like that's.
- 50:14That's at least making us feel good about like, hey, we fix
- 50:18things. So it wasn't that bad.
- 50:20But now they've kind of opened that can of worms, and it's
- 50:22like, is there some points in the past where we should
- 50:26actually fix things properly? And it's a weird thing because
- 50:33when I thought about it, we've been on this like something bad
- 50:38in history has happened and we're on the wrong side here
- 50:42trying to stop it. Because of, like the blonde say,
- 50:45that it's gonna be part of this greater good, remember?
- 50:49Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
- 50:51Sorry, Remember back to the Burning Crusade where we go to
- 50:57the swamp, the Black Morass, and we have to defend.
- 51:03The opening of the Black Portal, the Black Dragons were like,
- 51:06we're going to stop this, and the hordes never going to show
- 51:08up, and all of the pain and suffering that comes from the
- 51:11initial war and of course the two subsequent wars thereafter,
- 51:16right? So we've been on the causing
- 51:23misery to happen side before we have and and with that it it
- 51:27just opens a lot of this I guess this morality and ethics of of
- 51:32game play and that you know do we do we continue you know can
- 51:36we change other things But I mean there's there's a it's a
- 51:39whole debate about you know the how the past you know past
- 51:44troubles make you stronger but at the same time do you really
- 51:46wanna cause such trials tribulations and trauma to other
- 51:50sentient beings and stuff It's a it's a whole whole I'm sure
- 51:55thesis paper on the ethics and morality of that so and with it
- 52:00coming up that the the imprisonment of Alex Straza it
- 52:03just kind of I think that renewed that conversation around
- 52:07that in a game like whether or not we should be doing that.
- 52:13And I think part of what really made this fail is because it was
- 52:20touched on so lightly, like it's clearly something that has to
- 52:25be. Handled deftly.
- 52:27It has to be like actually explain some nuance or like show
- 52:32that or show the consequences that would be so dire as to like
- 52:39willingly subject somebody to the continuation of that.
- 52:43Like when I think of this kind of stuff being done in like just
- 52:48popular media, the most recent example, I think it's
- 52:52Flashpoint, actually the Flash movie.
- 52:56Which is based off a flashpoint thing where he goes back and he
- 52:59saves his mother because his mother dies.
- 53:00Like The Flash goes back and saves his mother because its
- 53:03mother dies. And it causes a chain of events
- 53:06that basically leads to like instead of the Justice League
- 53:10coming together, they're all fighting and killing each other
- 53:13and taking over the world. And it's just it's it's like
- 53:15absolute dystopian future, right?
- 53:18And it's that butterfly effect of yes, you've tried to do
- 53:21something good, but like, you don't know the full
- 53:23ramifications of it. And maybe that would have been
- 53:27it where it's like, hey, like you you go and you're like,
- 53:32yeah, actually, you know what, Why don't I get her out early?
- 53:35And then because of that, it causes this entire thing.
- 53:37You go into this alternate scenario, you're like, crap.
- 53:40I have to set it back to where it is, right?
- 53:43And that might have at least been better.
- 53:46But in general, maybe World of Warcraft should just stay away
- 53:49from this subject matter because it's just too much for them.
- 53:53I think. I think that I agree with you
- 53:56and the fact that like anytime you're talking about the trauma
- 53:59in that sort of way, you have to handle it with a lot of empathy
- 54:01and gravitas. You cannot just kind of gloss
- 54:03over it and handle it lightly. It it has to just be handled
- 54:07with so much care, and it's not really something that is easily
- 54:12done in video games. It's not something that's easily
- 54:15done in really any narrative. So it's it.
- 54:17It'd be easier to just not go through these things, even
- 54:21though you would like to try to tell the story of, you know,
- 54:23maybe it's the butterfly effect, but I don't know.
- 54:27I just, I feel like we didn't need to go there, so why we went
- 54:30there, I'm not really sure. Hopefully we don't go there
- 54:32again and any of that's because it's just something that I think
- 54:36a lot of the community would prefer not to revisit.
- 54:41Okay. So now I'm gonna lean on you
- 54:43heavy because this is part of 10 point 1.5.
- 54:47That I have not touched at all. Is it Welp daycare?
- 54:49Is the Welp daycare that question mark is still there?
- 54:52Tell me about this, What in the world is this all about?
- 54:55Cuz I didn't even test it on the PTR when it was on the PTR.
- 54:58So this is they were crafted a little bitty highlight about
- 55:02them. So you are their eggs hatching
- 55:06and you have to help take care of the baby welps that are
- 55:10hatching. So it's an adorable little, I
- 55:13say little it's still going for me.
- 55:16I've been doing this for a couple of weeks now.
- 55:18It's a a dailies and a quest line where you open up each of
- 55:22the color, the dragonfly colors. So you start with like the black
- 55:26Dragons I think 1st and then you help them do various things
- 55:32through the wealth daycare system.
- 55:33So you have to go clean up the daycare play with the Dragons.
- 55:37It's also, but it's a really great way to get into the pet
- 55:40battling system because it shows you how to do pet battles and it
- 55:43gives you the rewards for that. It is just, in general, one of
- 55:47the cutest things added to Warcraft in a long time.
- 55:50There are adorable little cinematics every time one of the
- 55:53baby welps hatches that are just so whimsical and cute that like,
- 55:58I giggle at him. There's things that the little
- 56:01babies say that are, you know, one of them is just sassy and
- 56:05she's a red dragon welp. So therefore I'm just like
- 56:07whoop, she's gonna be the next queen of the Dragons.
- 56:08There she is. She's just about, she's bossing
- 56:11everybody around and there's one that he's allergic to everything
- 56:16and so when he sneezes, it is such an adorable sound in the
- 56:19game. So I've been having a lot of fun
- 56:21with this going through and hatching little Dragons.
- 56:25I've watched, you know, a lot of friends also play it and just
- 56:28squeals of delight is generally the the emotion that comes
- 56:32across or the expression that we get.
- 56:34And but it's also neat to see the pet battle system
- 56:38incorporated into that quest line because it teaches you, you
- 56:41know, there's some certain quests where they say go do this
- 56:43pet battle over here and then you get the baby dragon as a pet
- 56:47in your journal. So you can summon them and they
- 56:49can go do more adventures with you.
- 56:52That sounds so great up until you said pet battle.
- 56:55I I went on my pet battle push for some mounts and I'm gonna
- 56:59stay away from pet battles, but I may play this up until pet
- 57:03battles. It's actually like the pet
- 57:04battles are not really that that big of a deal.
- 57:06They're very easy. It's not like you have to go do
- 57:08a whole bunch of them. It's like 1 maybe every, I don't
- 57:11know, 5 or 10 quests. It's very, very, very easy.
- 57:13You'll get it done in just a moment.
- 57:15Alright, alright, that'll that'll be pinned on my To Do
- 57:18List. It's for the cinematics alone
- 57:21and the personalities of the Dragons.
- 57:23I highly recommend doing this event.
- 57:26And I like while I personally am not a pet battle person, I'm
- 57:31really glad that they have something that has incorporated
- 57:34pet battles. At this level and has more than
- 57:37just go out and do pet battles or here's a pet battle dungeon
- 57:39has like a little bit of you know personalities like you're
- 57:41saying these these wealth each have their own personality and
- 57:44stuff. I think that is really endearing
- 57:46and I'm really glad that that's there for people who enjoy pet
- 57:49battles and so I will give this an attempt.
- 57:52I swear I'm not just pinning it off.
- 57:54I will get this attempt and I'm really glad that this for pet
- 57:57battles. I think you'll enjoy it like I
- 57:59really do. OK.
- 58:02So on the flip side something that I've done that you haven't
- 58:04had a chance to do is the secrets of next Ramus that they
- 58:08added. And this isn't just next Ramus,
- 58:11this starts in the Skulllands dungeon that's out there that
- 58:16got revised in I believe it was Mr. Pandaria and you go through
- 58:21that and you get you're looking for this rare to spawn.
- 58:28I've seen comments on on. Wow head.
- 58:31That said that they were working on this for four weeks with like
- 58:36multiple tunes. I think they did like 4 tunes,
- 58:38so like 16 different attempts before they finally got this
- 58:40rear to spawn. Oh, it's the the butcher, isn't
- 58:43it? The Krasnos.
- 58:44OK, yeah OK, I do. I do know a little bit about
- 58:46this. OK, I got incredibly lucky.
- 58:50I was like, oh, OK, this is going to take a long time.
- 58:53I'm really sorry. Stream got it in three, three.
- 58:57So. I was super happy, super feeling
- 59:00like that, like I was on top of the world.
- 59:03I once you get that started it starts like a little storyline
- 59:09which I most I most attribute to.
- 59:14Kind of like a modern day attunement where you have those
- 59:18quests to like unlock a dungeon, except that this time you're
- 59:22unlocking an old version of the dungeon it's got some story it
- 59:26like. Reaches back to like old vanilla
- 59:31Warcraft stuff and it like it really hits those nostalgia
- 59:37vibes. If you know or were playing at
- 59:39that time, even if you don't like it sort of tells you about
- 59:43what happened before and I think that is so cool.
- 59:49So you do that. You get the old version of
- 59:51Skullmans, you. Do some stuff in there that will
- 59:56allow you to then go to Strath Home.
- 59:59You do stuff in Strath Home and there's this challenge run where
- 1:00:04you have like 5 minutes from when you activate the secret.
- 1:00:07To get to the other side, kill Baron Rivendeer.
- 1:00:12That was something that was, that was something that used to
- 1:00:15exist. There was, Oh my gosh, I cannot
- 1:00:18remember it. But they did have something
- 1:00:19where there was an internal timer that the moment you
- 1:00:21stepped through the gate of Strathholm, you had X many
- 1:00:24minutes to get to barren Ribbon Dare.
- 1:00:27Yes, exactly. Yeah.
- 1:00:29It's an homage of this. That's awesome.
- 1:00:32And so when you do that, that unlocks the old version of Nax
- 1:00:38Ramus. And so then once you've done
- 1:00:43this, you're now attuned to the old version of Nax Ramus.
- 1:00:46You can go through there, but it's not.
- 1:00:49It's not exactly the old version, because even though
- 1:00:52everything, all the bosses and everything are set up exactly
- 1:00:55like they were in the past, they've added in a bunch of
- 1:01:00little secrets. You can get this grappling hook
- 1:01:02and get to areas that you never used to be able to get about
- 1:01:05that. How neat.
- 1:01:07Yes, and one of the things that you can do is get up to this
- 1:01:13goblin merchant and he will allow you to.
- 1:01:21Trade in Scourge Stones in order to get tier 3 and a bunch of
- 1:01:28different transmogs and one item that allows you to get a
- 1:01:34different shade of the Horseman mount.
- 1:01:38It's called Valiance. OK.
- 1:01:41So wait, the Scourge Stones, are they something, a currency
- 1:01:44that's dropping new or are we talking about the old Scarch
- 1:01:47stones that are no longer? Scourge stones that were no
- 1:01:49longer available, you could start cracking them again.
- 1:01:53Okay cuz I remember that event when you would get those scarch
- 1:01:56stones that was at the end of Burning Crusade going into Wrath
- 1:01:58of the Lich King. They had the Scarch Stone event.
- 1:02:01Yeah, I think it was also there. Just ahead of Nax Rammus
- 1:02:08debuting in vanilla, there was entire you can kill small
- 1:02:11enemies and get skirt stones and then it would go up and up to
- 1:02:15like the larger skirt stones. So it's like it's being used in
- 1:02:19the past and they're they went back to that and it's the exact
- 1:02:22same skirt stones as before. So it's it's such a pull into
- 1:02:27the past of the game and I thought the quest was was just
- 1:02:33amazing for that alone. But then doing the secrets
- 1:02:37themselves is fun, getting those transmogs.
- 1:02:41And like, I like Transmog, but I'm not the biggest transmog
- 1:02:45guy. So I was putting this up on the
- 1:02:47auction house and some of this stuff is going for 10s, if not
- 1:02:51hundreds of thousands of gold. Oh, wow.
- 1:02:55So if you're looking for some gold, you can you can make it
- 1:02:58there like some. Items that are fairly common to
- 1:03:01drop were selling for. I think they've come down since,
- 1:03:05but they were like 300 gold a pop and I was collecting like
- 1:03:10about 20 on like a clear through.
- 1:03:13Wow, Yeah, I'm definitely have to look into this then.
- 1:03:16Yeah, and so. If you like the Transmog,
- 1:03:19there's transmog there for you. If you're after the gold,
- 1:03:21there's gold there for you. If you're hunting mounts like I
- 1:03:23was, there is a mountain there, and there's still some secrets
- 1:03:26that haven't been discovered yet.
- 1:03:27The Secret Finder group is still on this.
- 1:03:29I love that. Yes that is amazing and the fact
- 1:03:33that just even unlocking the vendor because to you had to
- 1:03:38like solve the the the secret to get the grappling hook which.
- 1:03:43Even that I was like, how the hell did they figure this out?
- 1:03:45Thank goodness for comments on Wow right?
- 1:03:50And then to get to the the vendor, it is this very
- 1:03:54complicated jumping sequence that I don't understand how they
- 1:03:58figured that out. Oh my gosh.
- 1:04:00Wow. With the grappling hook, like,
- 1:04:02you don't see the grappling point unless you're at a
- 1:04:05specific angle on certain ledges.
- 1:04:08So that was a thing. And then when you get to him,
- 1:04:12it's like. He seems unconscious and not
- 1:04:14responsive to life and you you have the option to poke him and
- 1:04:17it doesn't do anything. And then I look at the guide and
- 1:04:21says, you need holy water from Stratholme to wait, Oh my gosh,
- 1:04:26that's. Oh, that's right.
- 1:04:27I didn't see something about that being Data mine.
- 1:04:29I was like, wow, holy water. Oh my gosh, that's bad.
- 1:04:32Yeah, so they they pull so much from the past and they put it in
- 1:04:36use in such interesting ways, it is amazing content.
- 1:04:41And I'm really hoping to do so much more like this.
- 1:04:43I actually hope that when they're doing mainline quests
- 1:04:48that they take some cues from this because this was so
- 1:04:51interesting and engaging to go through in my mind.
- 1:04:54I think it's a great way for them to also bring back next
- 1:04:57Ramus and that Tier 3 kind of area, because a lot of people
- 1:04:59didn't get to experience that at all.
- 1:05:02And even then, like the people that experienced it back then
- 1:05:06probably aren't playing the game anymore.
- 1:05:08There's a like, it's very rare for you to find people who have
- 1:05:11the hand of a doll title. I saw Scarab Lord the other day.
- 1:05:15It was very I was just. I ran around cheering at them
- 1:05:18because it's just again, a rarity.
- 1:05:21And I know that next Ramos in tier 3 was one of those rarities
- 1:05:24that a lot of people didn't get to experience.
- 1:05:27So I'm glad to see this being brought into the game in some
- 1:05:30way that preserves the original original experience of it, but
- 1:05:36also brings back a way for players to get to see it and and
- 1:05:40be a part of it. Yeah, now there is some
- 1:05:43controversy on that. Note, in order to get the Tier
- 1:05:463, you have to use that vendor that I was talking about.
- 1:05:50And the way that you do it is that you have to craft it or get
- 1:05:54somebody to craft it for you. Now there is one reagent needed
- 1:05:59for the Crafting 1 crafting material.
- 1:06:02That is incredibly expensive. I think there are about 2000
- 1:06:07gold a pop and to get and to craft a set you need a lot of
- 1:06:12these things to the point that people were saying it was like
- 1:06:15believe the number off the top of my head, correct me if I'm
- 1:06:18wrong listeners, feel free to reach out was 28 K to craft a
- 1:06:25set. And people like, Oh, my
- 1:06:26goodness, that's so expensive to craft it.
- 1:06:29To craft a trans mock set. Yeah, I I, I, I guess it is.
- 1:06:35I have a lot of gold in the game.
- 1:06:36So I have a different viewpoint on that.
- 1:06:39Yeah, I go 28 K that's nothing. But yeah, I could see how that
- 1:06:42could be for some people. That could be kind of expensive.
- 1:06:45Yeah. Regardless, I think that it is
- 1:06:51going to be here for a long time guys, so you can build up your
- 1:06:55funds as needed and. It becomes a stretch goal to
- 1:07:00like I'm gonna piece together this, this set.
- 1:07:03And for those of you who are really into Transmog, we have
- 1:07:06one last story. We have all of this Transmog
- 1:07:10news that has been coming out this week.
- 1:07:13So much Transmog. So much.
- 1:07:17So the beginning of this of this past week.
- 1:07:21Team two came out with two articles about Transmog and
- 1:07:25stuff came out to the store. So the first thing was the
- 1:07:31traders post is getting new Transmog sets for every class
- 1:07:37throughout the rest of the year. So starting in September we're
- 1:07:40getting 3 October another 3N, another three, and then in
- 1:07:43December we get the last four. These sets are a helm, shoulders
- 1:07:49and belt, so not a full set. You're not getting a chest
- 1:07:51piece, you're not getting pants, there's no gloves and and all of
- 1:07:55that. But the three pieces are going
- 1:07:57to be on the traders post for 450 tenders, which I think is a
- 1:08:04pretty decent price for a Transmog put together
- 1:08:08considering that the shoulders and the helm I think are some of
- 1:08:13the most prominent pieces of any Transmog.
- 1:08:16Yeah, I would agree, Yeah. And then on top of that, we're
- 1:08:21also getting analogous weapon transmogs for each class, and
- 1:08:27then it within these, each class gets one type of 1 weapon type
- 1:08:33for each spec. So most classes are going to get
- 1:08:36three different weapons, except for Demon Hunters which only
- 1:08:39have two specs so they only have two weapons, and jurors that
- 1:08:42have 4 specs, so they have four different weapons.
- 1:08:46So you who plays priests, you're going to be getting your set
- 1:08:53first month in September and that's like the silks of the
- 1:08:56unnamed cult and the weapons which are the secrets of the
- 1:09:00unnamed cult. I think that these are really
- 1:09:05cool, but I also think that the weapons and the the trans log
- 1:09:13set, they don't. Match even though they had the
- 1:09:16same name they did have some the yes, I I, I I looked at some of
- 1:09:22them and finding them at the time when the release was
- 1:09:26difficult because some of the the article had some of them
- 1:09:28like very prominently and then we had to go search for like the
- 1:09:31other ones deeper down in different articles and stuff.
- 1:09:34So I didn't get to see all of them, but some of them looked
- 1:09:39very interesting as far as good. But then like their weapons
- 1:09:41looked, that's not. I wouldn't have gone with that
- 1:09:44aesthetic or that art. I shouldn't say art style,
- 1:09:46sorry, the aesthetic. It didn't fit that same theme
- 1:09:49for some of them. Yeah, well Lidgeon has all the
- 1:09:54sets up there, including what months they're coming out,
- 1:09:57including the weapon sets as well.
- 1:10:00Some of them like specifically the Paladin one, which is one of
- 1:10:04the first ones coming out. Their tier set or not tier set.
- 1:10:08I apologize their Transmog set. Looks like it could mix with a
- 1:10:13couple of different tier sets that they've had in the past,
- 1:10:17but like the weapon, doesn't match that.
- 1:10:19No, the weapon doesn't match that.
- 1:10:20And that that weapon specifically looks like the
- 1:10:23Judgment set. Not the tier set that Judgment
- 1:10:27was actually in, but the recolor that came from Burning Crusade
- 1:10:31that had this same sort of coloration, right?
- 1:10:36Yeah, exactly. And then like the priest that I
- 1:10:40that I mentioned you've got the old God kind of tide sage look
- 1:10:45for their their trans log set but pretty standard priest
- 1:10:52looking stuff for their weapon set.
- 1:10:55Yeah it really do. And like it looks like they they
- 1:10:58started to put some of the iconography of the wave speakers
- 1:11:01on there, but then it didn't. It didn't match with like the
- 1:11:03coloring or something. Yeah, it's it's it's quite
- 1:11:07strange. Be shamans because everybody
- 1:11:09knows that I am stubbornly, stubbornly shaman for all the
- 1:11:12way in December. So I've got a long wait for for
- 1:11:16my stuff, but oh man, I I love them.
- 1:11:22I think the shaman is good. I love them if you're a.
- 1:11:27Orc torrent or troll shaman if you are a janai shaman.
- 1:11:31That doesn't look so terrible on my janai shaman, but I love the
- 1:11:36I love the design. I think that's really neat.
- 1:11:38But yeah, it's it's going to look really weird on my Janai.
- 1:11:41The the transmog itself looks so much like the Dasar lore
- 1:11:49Zandalari sort of set up that I I just I don't see how a Coulter
- 1:11:55in. Shaman could wear that with
- 1:11:57pride. Yep, that's that's gonna be an
- 1:12:00interesting thing at least. Again, we were talking about
- 1:12:03this in in our our Guild the other day about how the the male
- 1:12:07armor pieces tend to just be not great overall, like a hunter and
- 1:12:12Shaman just tend to you, you know.
- 1:12:13Generally it's looking at all the the cool trans mods you can
- 1:12:16see, you know the clothies have good ones for for this time
- 1:12:20period. You know the the plate ones.
- 1:12:22Usually you look at all the the male pieces and you're kind of
- 1:12:24like, it doesn't look as cool. I think that this one looks
- 1:12:28really great for a male piece. But yeah, I kind of agree with
- 1:12:32you. Like for some of the Alliance
- 1:12:33Alliance characters and models, it's probably gonna be a little
- 1:12:38weird to see on them. Yeah, yeah, I do like the
- 1:12:41weapon. Though the weapons look great, I
- 1:12:44can't. I can't say that those weapons
- 1:12:46are bad and. If I could wear it outside of
- 1:12:51the class I would totally steal the Evoker one, cuz that's just
- 1:12:55generally a good look. That one looks really neat.
- 1:12:58I wanna see the animation on the shoulders for that.
- 1:13:03The weapons? Cool.
- 1:13:05I didn't even think to see if these were animated at all.
- 1:13:09I hope that they have some cool animations.
- 1:13:11I would hope so. The mage one, if you're looking
- 1:13:13at the shoulders at the top, has these little these little orbs
- 1:13:16and it looks like they would probably animate a little bit.
- 1:13:19Oh yeah. You're probably right about
- 1:13:21that. Yeah.
- 1:13:22It's got the two orbs on each shoulder.
- 1:13:23There's one orb on each shoulder and then one orb above the head.
- 1:13:26You're right. You're right.
- 1:13:27Those are probably animated, but I'm not sure if all of these are
- 1:13:29animated. You've got my hopes up.
- 1:13:32You've got my hopes. But that's not all of the
- 1:13:37Transmog news that we got because they also put out two
- 1:13:41new packs in the Battle.net shop which are going to be available
- 1:13:46till the end of the month. One pretty standard little
- 1:13:50Transmog set again available to August 31st.
- 1:13:54That is the Solemn Watchman's Garb and they put down a notice
- 1:13:59that it will become available later in the traders post.
- 1:14:02So if you want it now, you can. Pay some money and save yourself
- 1:14:06the traders. Traders post attendees later,
- 1:14:10but the other one followed the exact same rules available to
- 1:14:14the end of the month will be available in the traders post
- 1:14:19later. They even put a finite time on
- 1:14:23this that it will be available within three months after the
- 1:14:28the pack leaves the shop. And this one is for two corsage
- 1:14:34like little wrist transmog. But the thing that's got
- 1:14:39everybody's attention with this one is that along with your
- 1:14:44purchase of this bundle, you get 200 traders, tenders.
- 1:14:51And that caused the absolute shitstorm, which I didn't
- 1:14:57really. I like I I didn't understand why
- 1:15:00we knew this was coming. And lots of other games do that.
- 1:15:04Lots of other games have cosmetics.
- 1:15:07Absolutely. For you.
- 1:15:09You pay in, you know, real currency to get an in game
- 1:15:12cosmetic currency. So I and I, I don't know, like I
- 1:15:16I know people that were in an uproar about it.
- 1:15:19But for me, you know, having played games for a long time, I
- 1:15:23knew that that was like I expected that to happen.
- 1:15:26I expect that to happen. A while ago and we were told
- 1:15:30weren't we like one of the developer interviews said that
- 1:15:32that was it was always gonna be bundled with something in the
- 1:15:35store. Like it wasn't gonna be just a
- 1:15:36straight one to one. You give, you know, $5, you get
- 1:15:40500 tenders. It was, you know, it was gonna
- 1:15:43be here's $5 and a cosmetic item, plus some bonus tenders on
- 1:15:47the side. Yeah this is something one
- 1:15:50reference that I found was in PC Gamer.
- 1:15:53Ian, has Acosis said that Hey, yeah, we're gonna.
- 1:15:56Put these as part of a bundle, I think that a lot of people are
- 1:16:02still trying to fight any kind of sort of a slippery slope is
- 1:16:06what they're worried about. It's not necessarily that this
- 1:16:09bundle in its, in and of itself is like so egregious, but if
- 1:16:14they're looking at it and thinking that it represents this
- 1:16:16continuous slide to like more predatory microtransactions and
- 1:16:22so precedent is what they're looking at.
- 1:16:25Exactly. And so looking at what they're
- 1:16:27putting out here in the US, it's $5 for this bundle, the two
- 1:16:34transmog corsage, little wrist transmogs and the 200 tenders,
- 1:16:40The corsage that was in the traders post before went for
- 1:16:44roughly 100 tenders. I if I recall correctly, I think
- 1:16:50it was something like that, yeah.
- 1:16:51Yeah, which? Isn't that big of a deal now?
- 1:16:59You can't buy this bundle more than once per account.
- 1:17:04It's not like you can be like, yes, let me buy it again and
- 1:17:07again, yeah. Right.
- 1:17:11The 200 tenders does not go towards your cap.
- 1:17:15So this month we can is the last month that we'll be able to get
- 1:17:181400 tenders. Because for July and August, you
- 1:17:22were able to get 1400 instead of 1000.
- 1:17:28So if you buy this bundle and complete your track record, you
- 1:17:32would get 1600 in this month, right?
- 1:17:39And they're being very, very transparent about this bundle.
- 1:17:46It is. That it is gonna all the stuff
- 1:17:49that's in the bundle is gonna show up within three months.
- 1:17:54You have until this time to purchase this this bundle,
- 1:17:58right? And even though they don't say
- 1:18:00that it can't be purchased more than once, they're they're
- 1:18:03stopping people from gaming the system from the get go.
- 1:18:07And I like that. I like the transparency and I
- 1:18:09like the limit because I like, I appreciate the fact that if
- 1:18:14they're gonna start a precedent on something, then they're going
- 1:18:16to like have that here's the boundary, the transparency, the
- 1:18:21communication about all of that. Because like you said, people
- 1:18:24are worried that it's gonna start that predatory
- 1:18:28microtransactions. You see it in a lot of other
- 1:18:30games. It was actually one of the
- 1:18:32reasons why I stopped playing Overwatch too was because there
- 1:18:36were so many of those microtransactions going on.
- 1:18:38Not predatory, but at the same time, like there was just a lot
- 1:18:41of microtransactions and then it just didn't make the game fun
- 1:18:44anymore because it felt like I had to do all those
- 1:18:47microtransactions in order to enjoy the game.
- 1:18:50Cuz there was just such so many cool cosmetic things to get.
- 1:18:52And I wanted it all cuz I like, you know, I like cosmetics.
- 1:18:55I like looking cool you know like so I can see how some
- 1:18:58people are with them being very worried how Warcraft has to
- 1:19:02treat this with a lot of transparency and kind of like
- 1:19:06feeling out the waters on on things like that.
- 1:19:09So you know they don't want it to be they're not gonna start it
- 1:19:11off with you know one that's gonna give you 1000 traders
- 1:19:14attendees because that's just gonna you know start everything
- 1:19:17kind of on a bad note. So they're starting with
- 1:19:19something small and that's smart and they're seeing how does how
- 1:19:22do people react to this and I'm pretty sure that that'll that'll
- 1:19:27pace what they do in the future. You know, whether they do it
- 1:19:29monthly or every six months or or something like that.
- 1:19:33Yeah. And so I completely agree with
- 1:19:36you the way that this is positioned, it's clearly them
- 1:19:40testing the waters, dipping their toe and be like here's a
- 1:19:42very small amount of tenders for a very small price.
- 1:19:46What what's the reaction here? But I think that to I think that
- 1:19:53the best way that they could have put this forward is one
- 1:19:57they should have put some sort of.
- 1:20:00Better conversation around this because he said it in the
- 1:20:03article. Nothing was said and not
- 1:20:06everybody is going to be as in tune to what's being said in
- 1:20:10general like the two of us or other other people.
- 1:20:14They may have missed that it was said or not be, or may have
- 1:20:18missed the conversation around it.
- 1:20:20Come back to the game like whoa wait, what?
- 1:20:22What is this? So there there is no post about
- 1:20:25this on the World of Warcraft site.
- 1:20:28It's just in the store. And then that allowed, of
- 1:20:31course, the fan sites to completely control the
- 1:20:35narrative. Oh, gotcha.
- 1:20:36I see. Yeah, that's that's something
- 1:20:37that's unfortunate cuz I mean if you wanna, if you wanna control
- 1:20:41the narrative on something, then you wanna make sure that you're
- 1:20:43the first ones talking about it and crafting how it's said and
- 1:20:48and what it, what the perspective looks like for it.
- 1:20:52Yeah. And then beyond that, in terms
- 1:20:56of the bundle itself, I would have really liked that if it
- 1:20:59was, hey, you purchased Diablo 4, right and we will give you
- 1:21:06this mount in game because they had that that bundle and here's
- 1:21:12some tenders as well. And I think that would have gone
- 1:21:15down a lot better with the because the tenders would have
- 1:21:20just been a little a little side bonus that what but like because
- 1:21:26there's so much weight on the tenders in this package, I think
- 1:21:32that makes it, it makes it bigger than it should be.
- 1:21:36I agree with you on that. I think that if they would have
- 1:21:38been bundled into a game where you know say like Diablo 4, you
- 1:21:42that is the prize as you are paying for Diablo 4.
- 1:21:46You are not paying for the tenders in this the the tenders
- 1:21:49have a bit more weight. Even though it is, you know,
- 1:21:51only $5, it's still, you know, a bit more weight of that
- 1:21:54transaction overall. I think as long as they don't
- 1:21:58have every package include tenders so that the people who
- 1:22:03are we're worried about the FOMO don't feel compelled to buy a
- 1:22:07bunch of other stuff on top of their subscription, this should
- 1:22:11be OK. But they are really.
- 1:22:14They really are trying to find that line, and I hope that the
- 1:22:17reaction will make them consider it carefully.
- 1:22:20Yeah, I I hope so too. Because we were actually was
- 1:22:22talking with a friend the other night about Battle Pass systems
- 1:22:25and subscription systems and how Battle Pass systems work for
- 1:22:29certain types of games and subscriptions work for other
- 1:22:32types. And how Warcrafts is being on
- 1:22:35the subscription system for so long you you couldn't switch it
- 1:22:38to like a seasonal battle pass like a like Diablo or Overwatch
- 1:22:43has? Because the player base wouldn't
- 1:22:45go for that. They like being on that
- 1:22:47subscription system. That's just kind of how it works
- 1:22:50best. So I think that micro
- 1:22:52transactions are gonna have to be handled with a bit more care
- 1:22:56in the system that we're at. Because you don't want, you just
- 1:22:59don't wanna over. You don't wanna align too
- 1:23:01closely to the other other systems for that like for those
- 1:23:05that audience and that play style that's the world I was
- 1:23:07looking for is that kind of play style.
- 1:23:09But at the same time, you do wanna introduce new things into.
- 1:23:13This the the system in new ways to maybe, you know, get those
- 1:23:17cosmetic items, obviously don't ever tie any of it to player
- 1:23:20power. That's a terrible idea and I'm,
- 1:23:23I doubt that they're gonna do that.
- 1:23:24But as long as it stays to cosmetics, I think that we'll
- 1:23:27see it on and off and and hopefully it's just handled with
- 1:23:32I guess not like reservation, but kind of I just care, you
- 1:23:36know, like an infrequent basis like if we see it every, every
- 1:23:39few months or something like that, I think that'd be OK.
- 1:23:42Yeah, I'm cool with it showing up with like my BlizzCon
- 1:23:46experience that they want to do a BlizzCon package and they give
- 1:23:49extra tenders there, sure. But I I don't want it showing up
- 1:23:52with like, here's a pet and 5000 tenders.
- 1:23:56That, to me, would be like, wait, wait, yeah.
- 1:24:00I I think so, yeah. I agree.
- 1:24:02I agree. Yeah.
- 1:24:03OK. Thank you so much for sitting
- 1:24:05down and having this conversation with me.
- 1:24:07This was amazing. Absolutely.
- 1:24:09Thank you so much for having me. Where can people find you if
- 1:24:12they want to hear more from you? You can find me on pretty much
- 1:24:16any of the social medias. I'm Halionics, spelled HALYONIX.
- 1:24:22I'm also on in the Dungeon Dojo, and there's probably links to
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- 1:24:29on Twitter and Blue Sky as well. And I'm on Twitch and I'm in
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- 1:24:39Nice. Well, until next time, guys.
- 1:24:41May all your hits be crits.