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Jonathan Kanarek | Father of Lauren Kanarek, Subject of Netflix Documentary "Untold: The Shooting at Hawthorne Hill" | 04-30-26 · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: I'm not happy with Netflix now. I don't know Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know her Lauren counteract or her father Jonathan,
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  Speaker 1: but reading the piece that she wrote, the systems failed me,
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  Speaker 1: but I will not let them silence me. Her piece
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  Speaker 1: is great, very courageous, and knowing the story, it does
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  Speaker 1: seem like Netflix fumbled the ball here in a big way.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why, because the story pretty easy to
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  Speaker 1: figure out. You got a guy, this guy, Michael barrisone
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  Speaker 1: who's an equestrian trainer I guess, a coach whatever, and
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  Speaker 1: you got an attractive young lady and he's sending her
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  Speaker 1: all these lude and gross text messages like men do
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  Speaker 1: all the time, especially in sports, and eventually he tries
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  Speaker 1: to kill her. He shoots her. It doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to confuse here, but from what I'm
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  Speaker 1: reading from Lauren and the dad is about to tell us,
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  Speaker 1: I guess Netflix found a way. So with that said,
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  Speaker 1: here is Jonathan Jonathan. Good morning, pal, How are you.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning? How are you doing? Thank you for having
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  Speaker 2: me on?
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  Speaker 1: Of course? Where are you today? Where are you in
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  Speaker 1: this country?
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  Speaker 2: Livingston, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, beautiful place, Livingston, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Very nice and of course by way of Brooklyn long ago.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, me too. Where did you live in Brooklyn?
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  Speaker 2: I just lived there for a short time. I went
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  Speaker 2: out to Long Island the time the Levittowns were going
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  Speaker 2: out there in the late fifties.
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  Speaker 1: Funny you say that. My last guest was Bill O'Reilly,
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  Speaker 1: who grew up in Lovettown. He's a love of town guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yup? I heard Bill O'Reilly on the show on Monday
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  Speaker 2: anyway when I was driving.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, so you listen to the show. That's good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that.
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  Speaker 2: That as much as when I was working driving But whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I can.
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  Speaker 1: Oh were you did you drive a truck or something?
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  Speaker 1: What did you do?
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  Speaker 2: No? I worked on a Wall Street and had to
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  Speaker 2: drive into the city every day. And that was the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: So I'd listened to you know, I Miss and Bernie,
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  Speaker 2: which doesn't belong in Why.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, very good. So you've been with us for many,
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  Speaker 1: many years. So you trader? What'd you do down on
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I was a trade I was on the International equity desk,
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  Speaker 2: which at the time, you know, international was Oh if
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  Speaker 2: you owned Sony, that was a foreign sock. You're a
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  Speaker 2: trading international talko Glato a UK drug company. So I
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  Speaker 2: worked on Wall Street, which is a great, great career.
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  Speaker 2: I had gone to law school and you know, got
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  Speaker 2: a law degree in an MBA. But Wall Street was
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  Speaker 2: a great place to be fun and exciting at nine
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  Speaker 2: thirty every morning when the hate started running.
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  Speaker 1: No doubt about it. We did a lot of shows
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  Speaker 1: from there. Lewis and I what was his name again,
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  Speaker 1: Lue were buddy the Boulders. Yeah, Dick, that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was a great guy. Dick Cress, Wasn't he great?
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  Speaker 1: He was great? All right? So kim me, Lauren is
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  Speaker 1: your daughter? How many children do you have?
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  Speaker 2: I've got three daughters.
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  Speaker 1: Three daughters. Is Lauren the youngest, the oldest?
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  Speaker 2: What is she for? Lauren is the oldest I have
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  Speaker 2: three daughters. Lauren is now forty five years old. The
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  Speaker 2: mayor of the daughter's forty one and thirty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So we are coming up on the seven year commemoration.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an anniversary. I'm sorry of that horrendous day
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  Speaker 1: for her and for you and everybody who loves Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: August seventh will be seven years. So she's thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: years old. She is an equestrian. She's been doing that,
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  Speaker 1: I guess for a long time. He'll give me the details.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, Michael Barrisone was her trainer, her coach, whatever
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  Speaker 1: you call it. He had been texting her very lude
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  Speaker 1: and grotesque things for a while, and on this specific day,
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  Speaker 1: August seventh, will be seven years ago, he nearly kills her.
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  Speaker 1: The bullets destroyed her left breast, her left lung, exited
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  Speaker 1: her back. She said she flatlined twice in the thirty
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  Speaker 1: minute ambulance drive to the hospital. Thank god she's alive.
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  Speaker 1: I really want to meet her. Thank god she's alive.
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  Speaker 1: But tell me what happened here and why Netflix wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: tell the real story.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very interesting question since since the shooting there's
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  Speaker 2: been so much disinformation, a lot of it intentionally. It
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  Speaker 2: was twenty nineteen, just before COVID, so after the shooting,
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  Speaker 2: Michael Barrisone spent two and a half years in jail
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  Speaker 2: awaiting trial, which didn't happen until April twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: And while in jail, realizing he had no defense, they
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  Speaker 2: somehow decided their only hope was the insanity defense, which
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  Speaker 2: never works, you know, John Hinckley maybe the last guy
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  Speaker 2: who was able to show that. The Netflix show pointed
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  Speaker 2: out even Jeffrey Dama, who ate his victims and John
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  Speaker 2: Wayne gaves you, you know, killed thirty three men, they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't show him insanity defense. And insanity defense is when you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, take a machete to people on the subway platform,
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  Speaker 2: will kill your family, not when you say I think
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  Speaker 2: I'm mad at this person, saw a killer.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, he's mad at her because she didn't accept
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  Speaker 1: his advances. How long? Oh, let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 1: How old was your daughter when she first started training
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  Speaker 1: with this guy? And how long did all this go on,
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  Speaker 1: these text messages and all that before that awful day.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's interesting the sexual harassment and all
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  Speaker 2: sort of came out after the trial. I mean, Lauren,
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  Speaker 2: you know it comes from a tough family. Both her grandfathers,
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  Speaker 2: my dad and my wife's dad were you know, World
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  Speaker 2: War two veterans. Both her father shot down over Germany
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  Speaker 2: or prisoner war. My father spent six months in a
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  Speaker 2: hospital in England. So she's from tough stock. And know
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  Speaker 2: she was thirty eight at the time. And barri Zone
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  Speaker 2: is sending in these messages. But you know, it's like
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  Speaker 2: with every woman in business over sports. If you complain,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you go to HR. Or there's no HR
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  Speaker 2: on this, but you go to HR, you give up
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  Speaker 2: your dreams, you get thrown out. They may listen to you,
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  Speaker 2: but you know you're not going any place. You have
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  Speaker 2: to give up your hopes and dreams. Which I'll get
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  Speaker 2: to the story about the other young girls who went
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  Speaker 2: through this and had to give up their hopes and dreams,
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  Speaker 2: but it was more about Lauren lived on the barn.
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  Speaker 2: The fellow Michael Barrisone had his much younger new girlfriend
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  Speaker 2: living there. Not is there any wrong with that? And
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  Speaker 2: this girlfriend didn't want Lauren there, didn't want a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of younger girls who are there, and do whatever she
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  Speaker 2: could to get rid of them. And you know, tell
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  Speaker 2: Michael Barrison over and over again that Lauren was horrible,
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  Speaker 2: but Michael never wanted Lauren to leave because she was
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  Speaker 2: his most attendable source of income and continued to bring
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  Speaker 2: new horses all the time. Michael was saying, to bring
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  Speaker 2: another horse, bring another horse, you know. And in the
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  Speaker 2: in the story and which Netflix did they try and
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  Speaker 2: say that Lauren harassed them by posting things offensively on
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  Speaker 2: Facebook forgetting a fit. Michael Barrisone never had a Facebook
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  Speaker 2: Accountma's life. But his girlfriend's saying, look what she's posting.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I had nothing to do with Barrisone.
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean to join on. But just to give
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  Speaker 2: you an example, Lauren might write a Facebook post, not
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  Speaker 2: that Michael Barrisone just talk philosophy saying such insult will
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  Speaker 2: destroy your life. It could have been cigarette smoking will
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  Speaker 2: destroy your life. Netflix puts in bold destroy your life
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  Speaker 2: free words from a like five hundred word essay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And another example, she's talking to her cousin on line
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  Speaker 2: but Broadway Theater talking about you, Jackman singing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: look out because here I come in the greatest showmans.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they just show the words. Lookout here I come.
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  Speaker 2: Michael barastone pounds. Oh, she was threatening you by saying
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  Speaker 2: these things on post that you know, weren't weren't Facebook posts,
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  Speaker 2: weren't for Michael Barrison, not the sort of thing members
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  Speaker 2: of Congress get every day, you know, just a regular post.
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  Speaker 2: And they went through them and you know, found the line.
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  Speaker 2: And they can do that with anybody. They could do
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  Speaker 2: it with my Facebook post. Not that I'm on it
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  Speaker 2: for anybody's right right.
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  Speaker 1: So was the girlfriend ever in trouble in this case?
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  Speaker 2: No, the girlfriend was never in trouble. Unfortunately. You know
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  Speaker 2: Safe Sport. I don't know if you've heard of them.
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  Speaker 2: They're an organization created by Congress in twenty seventeen as
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  Speaker 2: a watchdog sort of after the trouble with a female
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  Speaker 2: Jim Nass and doctor Larry Nasser and all. This is
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  Speaker 2: a lot of sexual harassment going on in sports that
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  Speaker 2: no no one hears about unless some news organization breaks it,
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  Speaker 2: and having a lot to tell you, and I know
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  Speaker 2: of my history with you, You're the guy with the
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  Speaker 2: gravit to get.
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  Speaker 1: Attention, There's no question about that. So they came out
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five and your daughter actually said that
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  Speaker 1: her spirits were lifted because a permanently banned Barrisone from
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  Speaker 1: the grounds of the United States Equestrian Federation licensed, endorsed,
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  Speaker 1: or sponsored competition for reasons of sexual harassment, emotional misconduct,
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  Speaker 1: which violates its coverning bodies. According to the Safe Sport website,
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  Speaker 1: his violations are subject to appeal. It's not final yet,
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  Speaker 1: but like you said, at least Save Sport took some action.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think John, if you had to theorize
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  Speaker 1: you or your daughter, Lauren, I'm sure he's had these conversations.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think Netflix made him look better and
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  Speaker 1: your daughter look worse?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea other than I guess for ratings.
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  Speaker 2: I mean they approached us. They had been a previous
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  Speaker 2: episode on the CBS crime show forty eight Hours, which
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  Speaker 2: is an outrageous lie in battery. Wife wasn't there at
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  Speaker 2: the time, but I'd like to get ahold of her
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  Speaker 2: and have to watch the show and apologize to my
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  Speaker 2: daughter and fire everyone associated with that show because I
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  Speaker 2: was a pocket lies. And Netflix got in touch with
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  Speaker 2: the showly after this, got in touch with me and
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  Speaker 2: Lauren said, we saw the show was outrageous lies. We
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  Speaker 2: want to do a show, give you a chance to
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  Speaker 2: write the record. We'll even do a flit screen showing
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  Speaker 2: forty eight hours lies along with the truth. And they
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  Speaker 2: came after when we had other people wanted to talk
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  Speaker 2: to us, and they said, this is propagate base and
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  Speaker 2: we're on Netflix. Whipt you know, hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 2: you was with the place to go, and we eventually
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  Speaker 2: signed up shortly after signing up. We came to realize
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  Speaker 2: they were lying to us from the start. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: want to tell Lawrence out of the story and Lauren
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  Speaker 2: and said, the one thing we don't want is that
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  Speaker 2: he said. She said, we want to tell our story.
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  Speaker 2: They said fine, and right away it became a parent
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to do a CBS part two telling embarrassone
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  Speaker 2: story that he was driven crazy by Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. I mean, Lauren is from an
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  Speaker 1: outside standpoint, she's the victim here. She's the one that
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  Speaker 1: you fall in love with. Barrisone's a bad guy. Do
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  Speaker 1: they do you have a political history and being serious here?
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  Speaker 1: Because Netflix, you know, there are a bunch of liberals
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  Speaker 1: over there. They love They love Letterman and Obama and
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  Speaker 1: CBS as well before Barry Weiss. Are you guys known
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  Speaker 1: Trump supporters or anything like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, the only bad thing about me is that I've
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  Speaker 2: met them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that can hurt you, all right. So there
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  Speaker 1: was no there was nothing out there politically that would
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  Speaker 1: make Netflix or CBS say I don't like Lauren because
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  Speaker 1: she went to a Trump Probably nothing like that.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all. And they're sure when it came
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  Speaker 2: to me he's in I'm a new Jersey you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's a Jersey guy, can't go to good Bagel out
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  Speaker 2: there and trying to be my best friend, and obviously,
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  Speaker 2: you know, almost say whatever you had to say to
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  Speaker 2: get to get And then as soon as we signed on,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was in bed with Barrisone, and they came
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  Speaker 2: to talk to us in Florida and heard our story
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  Speaker 2: and I said, his the lies their lawyers told, you know,
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  Speaker 2: don't even want to get to the criminal justice system,
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  Speaker 2: which we were talking about Monday was Jonathan Dillar and
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  Speaker 2: all how horrible it is, right right, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: lies and lies of the jury. And I expect every
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  Speaker 2: defendant to get a vigorous defense, to coddled to it.
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  Speaker 2: But their attorney lied and lied and lied, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: sort of day they'd seen the show and wanted to know.
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea where they lied to us. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the best reason we have This show was initially called
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  Speaker 2: the Dark Horse Project. That was their original name for it.
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  Speaker 2: The name they were going with barrisone after he shot
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  Speaker 2: Lauren and we were going to sue him civilly. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's a lot better to get shot by Bill Gates.
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  Speaker 2: So somebody has a lot of money by Barrison, but
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  Speaker 2: he got shot by Barristart. He was getting rid of
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  Speaker 2: his access and he sent his horses to this farm
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  Speaker 2: someone who knew who not coincidentally, is called the dark
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  Speaker 2: Horse Farm. And I'm told the side of this show
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  Speaker 2: should be the dark Horse Project. I mean, that's too
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  Speaker 2: big of a coincidence. You know. Untold Propagate was getting
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  Speaker 2: the information from a close friend to Barriss Zones and
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  Speaker 2: urged to do the show, and we called them out.
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  Speaker 2: They changed the name to the Shooting at Hawthorn Hill
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  Speaker 2: rather dark Horse Project.
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  Speaker 1: Now where exactly Hawthorn Hill? I'm just curious.
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  Speaker 2: It's a long valley, New Jersey, about forty five to
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  Speaker 2: fifty five minutes west of Levy got it?
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  Speaker 1: And how was Lauren today?
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  Speaker 2: Lauren is okay, and I keep urging she's so upset
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  Speaker 2: and she gets death threats all the time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: first because of the forty eight Hours show, and now
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  Speaker 2: because of the Netflix show, you know, calling horrible names
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  Speaker 2: because they believe I believe she's, you know, some titled
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  Speaker 2: woman who got what she deserved because of what you
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  Speaker 2: posted on Facebook. But she's okay physically, she's riding her
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  Speaker 2: horses again, trying to get through this, and we hope to,
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  Speaker 2: you know, shine a bright lot on this, particularly about
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  Speaker 2: the sexual harassment which had listed with Lauren Barrisone as
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  Speaker 2: you read this, banned for sexual harassment that has to
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  Speaker 2: do with sixteen year old girls who came forward during
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  Speaker 2: this Do you know.
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  Speaker 1: What do you know how many girls? Exactly? Jonathan complained, well,
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  Speaker 1: there were a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of young girls living there when Lauren got there. They
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  Speaker 2: were co working students, you know, and they wanted they
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  Speaker 2: had a question in dreams, and there were three of
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  Speaker 2: one one who actually became a complaintant. I mean, there
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  Speaker 2: are other girls and women who were so afraid of
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  Speaker 2: Barrisone that he's back out of jail, out of a
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  Speaker 2: mental institution living in Florida. They carry Mason. They meant
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  Speaker 2: have taught the SATs, but some of them said, don't
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  Speaker 2: use my name. But this one woman and her sister
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  Speaker 2: and others were brave enough to come forward and say
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  Speaker 2: they were good Christian girls from North Carolina back when
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  Speaker 2: they came there, and Barrisones stole their childhoods with his
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  Speaker 2: NonStop sexual harassment, giving them Booker names. Your name is
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  Speaker 2: sparkles telling what the back of a minivan was for
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  Speaker 2: talking about their panties and that's what they bought banned
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  Speaker 2: them for. And my concerns and one of the reasons
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to you. You mentioned he's appealing this.
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  Speaker 2: He's appealing this. He thinks, no big deal. His lawyers said,
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  Speaker 2: the punishment doesn't hit the crime. So what have you
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  Speaker 2: run some sixth child and ruin their question?
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  Speaker 1: And Graham you know, yeah, yea, all right, Well I'm
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  Speaker 1: with this. Your daughter wrote at the very end of
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  Speaker 1: her fine piece, I was the victim. I am the survivor.
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  Speaker 1: Lies will not erase the truth. You guys are welcome
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  Speaker 1: to come in together anytime you want, John, you and Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: But at the very least I hope I can help
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  Speaker 1: you a little bit here Today CBS and Netflix should
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  Speaker 1: both be ashamed of themselves. And Michael Barrison, your worst
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  Speaker 1: thing has still come and trust me. Wow, all right, listen, John,
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  Speaker 1: great job today, Thank you so much, and God bless you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much to talk to you further.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you we will. John. Right there, that is a
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  Speaker 1: Lauren's dad, John.
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