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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 292 - KILLAM & CARTER · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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  Hey there, this is Mark Gruber along with my girlfriend Derek Kuntley from America's
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  Really Old Stories. You are about to hear the most listened to exclusively jfk
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  Assassination Podcast and one of my favorites, the Lone Gunman Podcast. Now,
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  here's Rob and Joe Fletcher Proudy, who is a complete maniac. By the
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  way, he ends up being a scientologist ufo ologist. He gets him in
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  bed with a liberty lobbedy John d d Angide was it George D. Gino?
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  We here at Loose Moose Productions reserve that right now. On with the
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  show. Here's Joe B and the Triple B. Hey, Andrew Dean,
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  how's the Texas? Everything is going to hail down here in Barton Panzn Joey
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  Hen Joey Joey and then trumble Bee Man and Jumboy and Joby Rock Jogg joe
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  Ram trumble Be and Joby Joby Hen Jimmy Baby Joby and Joey Rock Doggy Shoe
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  a rag Showy I want to stay in the ship a f chef chef in
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  the Long Chang and here we go and here we go. That's right,
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  Joe, here we go. This is episode number two hundred and ninety two.
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  Kill em me Carter and uh yes, for the very perceptive folks out
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  there, I did spell it wrong the first time. For some reason,
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  I had my mind, Joe that this guy's name was Hank. Kill him,
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  kill him like William. But no, no, I have been properly
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  reprimanded and uh Mandela affected. It apparently is kill him. My name's Hank,
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  kill him. Get it right, boy? Anyway, what's up,
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  Joe? How you doing, buddy? Hey? All time? No see
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  a long time? Yes. How was your Memorial Day weekend? Sir?
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  My Memorial Day weekend was very lazy. I didn't do much. The weather
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  was kind of dodo here hey, look at it, but it was nice
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  and relaxing. How ill was yours? Sir? I was pretty good play
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  golf. One day? I watched the Rangers, so they lost the last
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  two games, so don't tease me. They are on the brink of elimination
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  tomorrow. But the same thing happened in nineteen ninety four, so the sim
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  is on the loop, I think, and we got they won game six
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  and seven last in ninety four. Well, hopefully they don't as they proverbally
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  proverbally say, crap the bid uh. And we'll see Joe in a in
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  a Rangers sweater next week. I had to go long gunman tonight. But
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  you know, if the Dallas Stars and the Rangers make it to the finals,
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  it would be good for the pop. True that true? That well,
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  Joe, we got a freaking full house in here, already, love
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  it. The line is started. They are filing in currently as we speak.
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  Yeah, John appreciated, buddy, you're the man. Well even get
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  a word out, bam, here we go. Love it. So,
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  yeah, Joe, we got Claude kicked back. He's probably about four beers
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  in by now trying to reach over and grab old U Deane on her kneecap
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  or something. We got Trey in the house. That's right, bungled in
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  I bungled try yep, Tray Scott, Scott. I saw Colleen the Rocket
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  Queen in here. There she is. Miley's right behind her. Big MIC's
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  in the house. Alpha sixty six southwest. Boom, all right, I'm
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  sorry, Claude is five beers in not four? I respect that, Claude.
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  I respect. Yes, if you're not drinking and potting on a Friday
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  night, what are you doing. Yeah, we're gonna give you a reason
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  straight off the bat to pour a little out on the ground as we pay
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  homage and remembrance to a yet another person that's been important to this case who
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  recently passed away. So Joe bring the heat for this one, because this
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  guy lived a pretty crazy long life. Yes, sir, what was he
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  ninety six? Yes? Yes, mister Elmer Boyd. You'll see two photographs
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  here on the little slide I brought up, And on the left part of
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  the slide you'll see well Fritz leaving the TSBD and in the closest image you'll
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  see mister Elmer Boyd. And is that a shotguner rifle on his right hand?
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  It looks like a rifle? Could it looks like a rifle, But
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  that's what I'm saying. They were carrying rifles in and out of this building
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  all day, so who knows, man, But that's really parallel to his
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  foot. It almost looks like his foot. I don't know if that's the
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  photo And I just noticed this, so, yeah, well you can see
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  the hilt up near his uh, whereas hip hip would be near his elbow
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  there. So that's either a really really really long shotgun or it's a rifle
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  or a thirty six or the British Enfield. It looks like it has a
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  pretty doo dooo scope on it though. Yeah, also did Lee's Yeah,
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  and on the right, so I actually you know when I was So this
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  is from a friend of the show's pictures on his website, that is mister
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  bart Camp from Prayerman prayer Hyphenman dot com. And if you guys haven't checked
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  out that site, suggest you go to it. I have the book.
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  I'm a couple of chapters in. I got distracted, as I usually do.
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  But so if you look on the right side to Lee, the officer
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  in the white homicide hat, which was kind of white Hat Boys by Jim
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  Levell, right, he kind of made that famous in a sense. I
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  don't know if it was famous in Texas for but it definitely was famous after
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  the assassination. They were the homicide guys. They kind of were really arrogant
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  to other, like DPD officers, and that is him beautiful man right to
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  the right of Lee and that is the midnight press conference on Saturday. I
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  believe Rob. Yes, thank you, Colleen in the house, Rocket Queen
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  comes through. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you,
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  Colleen. I have my slide up and see you. But uh yeah,
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  those are two of probably the most recognizable pictures of mister Elmer Boyd and Rob.
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  I think he's the last DPD officer or officer that was really involved.
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  There could be like it it was Lavelle and him, and then Lavelle dropped
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  and then it was him and then that's it. No more DPD left alive
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  from that time. Wow, it actually handled Oswald and that's that's That's really
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  kind of sad in a sense, I feel, because you know, Lavelle,
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  for all his flaws, never ah rejected an interview right. He always
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  would talk to people no matter what their stance was. Of course he would
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  have the same kind of party line. But mister Boyd, from what I
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  read this afternoon, had not. And I'm gonna give a little shout out
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  to a message that Michael McDougald sent to me today and he had the pleasure
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  of meeting him during his sixth floor interview, and I don't know where it
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  was, but hold on, let me bring this up. I had a
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  good friend of mine and I went to a living history program the Elmer boy
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  did at the sixth Floor Museum, and I believe this in the oral Histories
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  video section if you could find it. It's really hard to find that section
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  on that website. But that's not surprising. After the program, he wouldn't
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  sign any autographs for anyone, including me and my buddy. A month or
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  two later, my buddy somehow found his address, wow and somehow and sent
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  him three blank index cards and wrote him a nice letter asking for his autograph.
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  My buddy also included addressed stamped envelope like a return envelope, and mister
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  Boyd signed all three and sent them back to his friend. So that is
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  very interesting, and why wouldn't he want to sign something like But I don't
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  know. I thought I was and I haven't watched people, Joe. I
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  think your audio is in the toilet, not that it's not existent. It
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  just sounds like you're broadcasting live from the bottom of the toilet bowl. Can
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  you hear me now? Much better? Okay, where did you lose me?
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  Sir? Just a couple of seconds before that, So I just was
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  commenting, it's interesting that he might have not wanted to science something at a
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  sixth floor museum with maybe people that were very aware of the assassination and did
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  and self addressed art. Yeah, this guy really he didn't want a lot
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  of fame from this. He kind of stayed out of the spotlight for a
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  very long time. He didn't ever try to profit off of anything. So
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  you know, guys like that, you know, no matter what his opinion
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  of the facts of the case may have been, and I don't even know
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  what they were, to be honest with you, I'm guessing that they would
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  have been in line with the Warren commissioned conclusion. That's just a guess,
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  though I could be totally off base. I've not had a chance to listen
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  to his sixth floor testimony though, but yeah, yeah, rest in peace,
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  sir. Yes, It's very sad when witnesses and the last of a
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  certain area, all right, a certain group pass away, because you almost
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  feel like, will I ever get the truth from that group aka the DPD
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  and obviously working again from Lavelle uh and get it from void but stad nonetheless,
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  and yeah, for sure. And thank you Paul who is trucking on
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  down the road listening to his Joe. We appreciate it. We appreciate it.
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  Moot show, and I see they're talking about, uh, they're talking
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  about something in the chat, some Silk City Hot Sauce. Sally needs some
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  for her lamb kebabs or whatever the hell she's eating over there. I think
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  that would pair nicely with some kebabs. Yeah, I had. I'm sure
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  they do, Sally. In fact, I was talking to Jeff and I
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  think he was shipping a whole bunch of stuff over to Ireland at some point,
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  so I'm pretty sure they do. Pretty pretty sure. You can always
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  ask him on Twitter at Silk City Hot Sauce. I believe that's the handle.
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  He'll be more than happy to answer and send him. And hopefully my
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  audio is better now. I apologize, guys, and everything is going to
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  hell with Joe's audio. Yeah, and then we got it, okay.
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  Mike's confirming boy's view was LHO was a lone gum in case clothes. We're
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  done, okay, Well, yeah, you know, I mean, when
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  you're in the middle of it like that, and that's your company line and
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  like I said, you know, this guy never really tried to profit off
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  of it. He went on to work a long time with the DPD.
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  I know he turned over all his paraphernalia to the sixth floor. Be interesting
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  to know if he had any you know, personal files and documents and stuff
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  like that that he may have held on too. It's always interesting. You
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  never know when somebody passes away with somebody will find hiding in the closet,
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  you know. But heat or rop even the DPD archives website, right because
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  as is well noted, you and I found a document on them which detailed
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  that a direct line in the White House was installed in a certain babysitters home.
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  Yeah, inventious and babysitting. And that was on the GPD website I
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  believe we found out there. Yeah. I think that's a very under utilized
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  the repository of documents for DPD stuff that really needs to be paying a little
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  bit more attention to and gone through with a little more find twos of a
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  comb for sure. Yeah. And I haven't searched Boyd on there yet,
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  so if there's any interesting tidbits, I might find him later. But there
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  you go. We'll let you know yes, all right, So to get
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  to what we're going to talk about this evening, and that would be Thomas
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  Henry kill Him. Thomas Henry kill Him, otherwise known as Hank or Red,
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  and his story is interesting. His story is interesting, and you'll know
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  from the cover art that I kind of married this topic with a fellow by
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  the name of John Carter because they were friends. But we'll get there,
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  I promise. So we're gonna go through this kind of chronologically for you guys,
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  so that things hopefully make a little bit more sense, because you know,
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  while there's not a lot out there on this guy, there's one major
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  thing that everybody points to is like, you know, oh, this is
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  definitely a conspiracy because of this. But we'll get there. But the first
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  FBI document I found Joe is from nineteen forty nine. WHOA, yeah,
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  so, and I don't have any biographical information on old Hank, but you
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  can see from his picture of Joe will pop that up that he was quite
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  a bit older than his wife Wanda, who I believe danced at the Carousel
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  Club under a different name. Did you mean the cartoon picture? No,
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  I just wish do you not have one? Just Hank I don't, okay,
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  I have one handy hold on all right, this handsome dude, it's
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  Hank. Otherwise there was read he kind of looks like the dad from that
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  seventies show, right, you know, if he took steroids and was into
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  mafia. This is another one with his wife Wanda. Okay, So I'm
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  guessing he was a little on the older side as opposed to the younger side.
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  If I have an FBI document here from forty nine and he was doing
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  these these things back then that I'm gonna tell you about. So this,
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  like I said, this is interesting because it says on August the third,
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  nineteen forty nine, the Mobile Division whatever that is, maybe Mobile Alabama,
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  I don't know Mobile, Yeah, advised that the subject, Thomas Henry kill
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  Him, was in custody and charged with transporting victims victims from Pensacola, Florida,
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  to Montgomery, Alabama. On about June twelfth, nineteen forty nine.
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  Kill Him reported transported a redacted to various cities in the South the coast.
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  Subject in this case was redacted. No further information available. So it sounds
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  to me like old Hank kill Him was trafficking girls, young women throughout the
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  South and kind of pimping him out to the strip clubs and moving them around
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  from here to there, which is not surprising again when you see who he
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  ended up with in Dallas, right, So I thought that was interesting.
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  So that's from like I said, from forty nine, and he was nabbed
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  by the FBI doing it, so he probably wasn't doing a very good job,
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  but interesting. Nonetheless. Now in order of the documentation that I have
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  is this comes next. This is a document from the FBI from December twenty
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  third, nineteen sixty three, and it's about John Carter. John Carter of
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  ten twenty six North Beckley advised that he was living at the above rooming house
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  at the time same time Lee Harvey Oswald lived there about three or four weeks
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  ago. He said that Oswald was very quiet, that he only talked to
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  him one or two occasions, but not for any length of time. He
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  said he heard Oswald speak to someone on the telephone on one occasion, but
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  he spoke in what he thought was the Russian language, and he assumed that
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  Oswald was talking to his wife. He said that Oswald did not associate with
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  anybody at the rooming house to his knowledge and had no visitors. He said
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  he had never heard Oswald mention Jack Ruby or mention the Carousel Club. He
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  advised that although he was acquainted with Wanda Joyce kill Him and her husband Hank
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  and knew that Wanda worked for Jack Ruby, he had never met Ruby,
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  and he had never heard of Ruby until the shooting of Oswald. He stated
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  that he had never been in the Carousel Club and would not even know the
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  address. All right, So this is before which is important, Joe.
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  This is before Hank Killum met his untimely demise. So this is John Carter
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  voluntarily giving up information that, Hey, I know this guy and his wife
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  works at Jack Ruby's club, the Carousel Club, and I lived there at
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  Beckley with Lee Harvey Oswald. And just as a throwback, Joe to the
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  whole Mary and Me Hogg story, I saw him and I was pers So
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  this is another document, same time, same date. I mean, oh
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  no, I'm sorry. This is a little while after. I believe this
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  is sometime mid January sixty four. Mister A. C. Johnson, who
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  was the owner of the house at ten twenty sixth North, Beckley, furnished
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  the following information On January ninth, he attended a man's meeting at his church
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  in the company of John Carter, a rumor at his residence. He said
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  that after the meeting, he and Carter went to the Clifton Hotel coffee shop
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  on West Colorado Street, which is in the immediate neighborhood of his residence,
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  Oak Cliff insomuch as Carter had not had dinner yet, He said, while
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  in the coffee shop, he asked the owner of the shop if he knew
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  anyone by the name of Donald or David Miller who frequented the coffee shop or
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  who resided in the area, he said. The owner responded that he did
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  not know anyone by that name. Now, this is the guy David or
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  Donald Miller. I believe it was David who was calling the rooming house incessantly
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  right bugging the hell out of Arlene Roberts and who he says he was trying
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  to put his ex wife and her new husband. It's Mary and Mehr guy
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  as a suspect in the case, which is this is all very weird.
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  Mister Johnson advised that he definitely did not ask the owner of the coffee shop
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  if anyone had been in the coffee shop inquiring to a Donald or David Miller.
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  So it looks like these guys were out hunting. You know what I'm
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  saying. That dog can't hunt, that's right now. Next up we get
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  an FBI document from January ninth, sixty four Garth Ball. Garth Ball any
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  relations to Joseph Ball. I doubt it. I doubt it of one ten
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  Barnett, Dallas, Barnett Street, Dallas, Texas and employee of the Oak
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  Cliff Cab Company, Dallas, Texas Advice during the early morning of approximately January
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  tewod or March of sixty or or March of sixty four. I mean,
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  wait a minute, hold on, let me reread that, because that's not
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  making sense that during the early morning of approximately one to two or three to
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  sixty four. I don't know, it's just I mean, the document is
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  January nineteen sixty four, so we can't be talking about March sixty four because
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  it hadn't happened yet. Anyway, he went to the address of thirteen fifty
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  one Galloway in Dallas, Texas to pick up a customer. This customer was
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  described as a white male thirty five to forty tall, very thin occupation painter
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  entered the cab and immediately stated, let's get this cab moving. Her husband
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  may come home in any minute. He said, boy, those drinks are
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  sure expensive at the Carousel Club. Later during conversation, customer stated that the
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  girl had just left was one of Ruby's girls. Quotes you know. The
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  customer asked Ball to deliver him to ten twenty six North Beckley. Ball stated
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  he asked the customer if that wasn't the address where Oswald had resided, and
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  he stated, yes, it was. The customer also advised that he had
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  known Oswald when Oswald resided at the Beckley address. Extent of acquaintance not known
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  to Ball. A review of Dallas File four to four Dash one sixty three
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  nine in a report dated December thirteenth, sixty three reflects the female referred to
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  above to be guess who Joe who Wanda Joyce kill him? Of thirteen fifty
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  one Galloway Avenue, Dallas, Texas. Customer referred to the above has been
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  identified in the Dallas report as John Carter interview located Blah blah blah insomuch as
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  customer and female referred to by Bob been identified and previously interviewed. No further
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  action recommended. Now what's interesting here is that John Carter, according to this
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  cab driver, was creeping and having sex with Hank Killim's wife, his buddy's
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  wife, Wanda, and he said, let's get up, Let's get this
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  cab moving. Her husband may come home in any minute. But yeah,
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  no further action recommended though, you know, of course bid God forbid the
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  story. As they say, Joe gets thicker spice there, yeah, and
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  thicker. Yes, that's what she said. Now this is the one h
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  FBI document looks like I'm sorry. January twenty first urgent to Tampa. Jack
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  Ruby aka Lee Harvey Oswald aka deceased Dash Victim cro Dallas. Wanda Joyce kill
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  Him was employed by Jack Ruby as a waitress and or cigarette girl and or
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  dancer from July last to November last. Wanda was asked to leave the Carousel
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  Club by Ruby because her husband, Henry Thomas Killim of eight one one four
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  Newport Avenue, Tampa, Florida, continued to come to the club while Wanda
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  was on duty, violation of Ruby's rules. Wanda then returned to work at
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  the Carousel club in January of sixty four, after her husband had left Dallas
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  to go to Florida, Tampa. Please locate and interview Henry Thomas Killim,
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  r e his association with Ruby. Ask him specifically if he knows of any
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  association between Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald and that comes straight from Jay. I
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  believe it's Jay Gordon Shanklin. He want to know, He wants to know.
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  Fast forward to February twenty second, nineteen sixty seven. Well, Subject
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  Hank Killim died in March of nineteen sixty four, and the circumstances surrounding his
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  death are very as the kids say, Joe, Sus Sus, Yes,
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  Yes, got that one yes on this date, February twenty second, nineteen
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  and sixty seven. On this date, Peggy Simpson of the Associated Press,
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  Dallas, Texas telephonically advised as follows, AP received news from Florida that Pensacola
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  County, Florida officers have in order to exhume the body of subject. Subject
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  died in March of sixty four when he walked through a glass window. Joe
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  half after one that I'm just kidding and live to tell about it. The
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  subject was supposedly married to a stripper that worked for Jack Ruby, and supposedly
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  worked as a painter with John Carter, a former roommate of Lee Harvey Ossa
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  who was also banging Hank William's wife. Simpson had no further information and had
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  contacted this office to inquire about the above matter. Blah blah blah blah blah
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  blah blah blah blah blah blah right right, right right, Okay, So
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  I guess in sixty seven, this stuff's starting to heat up a little bit.
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  Once people found out about his death and the circumstances surrounding his death,
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  People like Penn Jones, Mark Lane, they jumped on this story because once
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  they found out and what his wife was saying, and what his brother was
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  saying and what his mother was saying is crazy. So there was an article
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  in the New York Post. So this is national news in nineteen sixty seven.
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  Okay, February nineteen sixty seven in the New York Post, and it
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  says dateline Pensacola, Florida, February twenty. Authorities are investigating the death of
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  a Florida man two years ago at the request of his brother, who said
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  he wanted a fresh probe because of the current investigation in New Orleans. Thank
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  you, Jim Garrison of the Kennedy assassination. The brother Earl Killhim, said
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  the dead man, Thomas Henry Killim, told him he fled Dallas in December
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  of sixty three because he was being harassed by quote unquote agents agents. Killim
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  said his brother didn't specify whether the agents were federal, state or something else.
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  Maybe it was the men in black. Joe, Yes, those little
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  men in black in ordered Texas Rangers. Not canna be confused with the New
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  York Rangers or the Grays. I'm a dead man, Killim quoted his brother
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  as saying, I've run as far as I'm going to run. Wanda Killim,
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  the dead man's wife, reached yesterday in Dallas by the Pensacola News Journal,
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  said her husband had been questioned several times about the assassination by federal agents.
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  Killim died beside a broken shop window on a Pensacola street March nineteenth and
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  sixty four. His throat had been slashed slashed So just so y'all can get
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  a little uh visual here, all right, this is the building that mister
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  Killim died in front of it looks like the TSPD. I gotta say,
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  you think without the I mean it's missing a couple floors, but goddamn,
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  I mean it's even got the rounded upper windows. Oh yeah, I mean
• 32:53
  this is crazy. This is Pensacola. So this is a close up of
• 32:59
  the crowd I'm seeing here, folks. So on the left here Killim's body
• 33:02
  went through the store front of the Thesan building on Palafox Street, shattering the
• 33:09
  glass. Now, mind you, Joe, there's no witnesses to this whatsoever.
• 33:15
  Okay, they just find the poor man's dead body on the sidewalk.
• 33:21
  So this is the Ramona Street sidewalk, Romana Street sidewalk where KILLI mysteriously fell
• 33:29
  to his death. And that's circle marks the spot. I guess, circle
• 33:35
  and arrow. And I'm guessing it was a pretty bloody scene because you can
• 33:39
  see even down the street a little bit, there's there's more white circle.
• 33:45
  You can see what looks like, you know, blood splatter on the sidewalk
• 33:49
  looks like it'd be a pool dent way down, you know. And you
• 33:54
  figure if this guy had a jugular cut with some plate glass, he would
• 34:00
  have bleeding like a stuck pig until he just ran out of gas and ran
• 34:05
  out of blood and crumpled in a heap. But that is the official story.
• 34:10
  Now, the official story is they said that he died, that this
• 34:20
  was a suicide. Joe. I mean, I can think of a hundred
• 34:25
  other ways to commit suicide rather than putting your head through a plate glass window
• 34:31
  and slicing your neck, you know what I'm saying. I mean, hell,
• 34:37
  he could have went up to the roof of his building and swan dived
• 34:42
  off of it and it been better. You know. Yeah, there are
• 34:46
  better ways to do it, for sure. But uh, yeah, I
• 34:51
  digress. I mean, who am I to say? You know? Good
• 34:55
  lord? Yeah, police said the death was an apparent suicide. The coroner
• 35:05
  officially ruled it as accidental. What do they call it? Death by adventure
• 35:12
  or misadventure? I think that's what the coroner calls it. But I never
• 35:20
  heard that saying. I've never heard that same. Yeah, death by misadventure?
• 35:27
  Earl kill him thirty eight? A car salesman has asked Escambria County Solicitor
• 35:32
  Carl Harper, Oh, Carl Harper to exume the body to determine the exact
• 35:37
  cause of death. Harper said he took a statement from kill Him yesterday morning
• 35:43
  and would investigate immediately. He would not discuss his investigation except to say that
• 35:46
  he was seeking concrete evidence, not suspicions. Harper said he planned to talk
• 35:52
  to the New Orleans DA Jim Garrison, who was conducting an assassination probe.
• 35:59
  Wanda kill Him said her husband returned to Florida in early December sixty three,
• 36:02
  saying he was going to go there to look for a job. She stayed
• 36:07
  in Dallas, where she had been employed for several years as a hostess in
• 36:13
  a nightclub owned by Jack Ruby. Ruby, who died of cancer while in
• 36:16
  custody, was charged with the sling of Lee Harvey Oswald blah blah blah.
• 36:22
  Miss Killum said she too favored an investigation of her husband's death instead of the
• 36:25
  suicide, ruling that no, Hank would not do that. She said her
• 36:32
  husband was employed briefly in Dallas as a house painter by a man named John
• 36:37
  Carter. Earl Killm said Carter once roomed in the same Dallas boarding roomy house
• 36:43
  as Oswald. So I mean I don't know about you. Joe. But
• 36:47
  I think if you're a painter, right, it's pretty easy to find a
• 36:53
  job. I think so, and I think even today as a painter or
• 37:00
  final job. Yes, I mean, okay, you have to move to
• 37:07
  Tampa to find a job. I mean, good lord, Okay. But
• 37:13
  the reason he moved back there is because that's where he grew up in Pensacola,
• 37:15
  and that's where his mother was living. And that's where he was living.
• 37:19
  He was living with his mother. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah.
• 37:25
  So here was another article same Yeah, This is from the New York
• 37:30
  Daily News. Harassed man's kin asked for his exhumation Pensacola, Florida. The
• 37:39
  county solicitor was asked today to assume the body of a man who, according
• 37:44
  to his brother, believed he was being harassed by agents following the assassination of
• 37:49
  President Kennedy. The man, Thomas Henry Killum, died March seventeenth. So
• 37:53
  that narrows it down. We have to day March seventeenth, sixty four,
• 37:58
  amid shattered glass on a downtown Pensacola street. The Pensacola News Journal said killing
• 38:06
  was married to a stripper who worked for Jack Ruby in Dallas. The paper
• 38:10
  said that Killing worked as a painter with a man named John Carter, who
• 38:14
  had roomed in Dallas. I mean, they keep hammering these details. Home
• 38:19
  police listed to to death as a probable suicide, but the corner ruled that
• 38:23
  kill him fell accidentally through a plate glass window. It happens. It happens,
• 38:34
  Yeah, it happens. All right. I might have fallen through our
• 38:37
  downstairs and put my hand through a glass window, so you can't rule it
• 38:44
  out. But I'm sure you were intoxicated. No comment, M. We're
• 38:53
  on the record here, all right. Now. End of February sixty seven.
• 39:00
  Another FBI document from J. Gordon Shanklin, who's the sac Special Agent
• 39:06
  in charge Dallas. Now he's hearing Earl and Wanda talking in the press,
• 39:13
  right, so he's the date again. This is the end of February twenty
• 39:21
  eight, sixty seven, Okay, because he was very involved in some of
• 39:24
  the after Marina things, and his name comes up a lot if you look
• 39:29
  into the FBI reports in the aftermath. I'm sorry, sure, yeah,
• 39:32
  I mean this is like five or six days after what there's there's a newspaper
• 39:38
  clippings, he says, Inspector Rex Schroeder of the Bureau called me this afternoon
• 39:45
  and stated he'd received an Airtel from Jacksonville, Florida, dated February twenty third.
• 39:50
  This airteiler Airtel set forth date appearing in the Pensacola Journal on two,
• 39:57
  twenty two sixty seven. In this art, cool it was stated to kill
• 40:00
  him had claimed that the men he described as federal agents visited him repeatedly after
• 40:06
  the assassination, and he lost one job after another, and he attributed this
• 40:12
  to the interrogations. He said that the men never showed identification. Now,
• 40:16
  who's that sound like? Sounds like secret service agent on the NOLL. I
• 40:25
  don't know, no sounds that's the same thing that Lee Oswald said. That's
• 40:30
  why you pissed at the FBI, because they visited him repeatedly after the assassination
• 40:36
  and he lost one job after another. And he attributed this to the harassment
• 40:39
  from the FBI, Oh for sure. And you know, when reading about
• 40:45
  this topic for the show, I came across a bunch of book out and
• 40:50
  odom things and how he was interviews and hosty actually was hosty and odem I
• 40:55
  think or book out and hosty, And when Lee realized that it was Hosty
• 41:04
  and book out shortly after the assassination because Boyd, that's where I got it
• 41:07
  from. Albert Boyd was escorted Oswalt into the interrogation room, and he was
• 41:21
  also in the TSBD and also at Beckley, and it was Oswalt did not
• 41:30
  and I think people a lot of people will know this. Oswalt did not
• 41:34
  take wal to Hosty being there because Hosty has stop by, and you know,
• 41:39
  he thought he was either getting with Marina or harassing Marina, and that's
• 41:44
  what forced him to maybe write that letter, which we'll see later destroyed.
• 41:49
  It's a whole bunch of shenanigans there, but yes, very true, all
• 41:54
  right, So I want to say he said that the men never showed idea,
• 42:00
  so did his wife, Wanda kill him? Even left Dallas for Florida.
• 42:05
  But the agents in quotes brow beat his wife into telling them where he
• 42:08
  was, and she said Florida. Wanda reportedly told them she didn't want to
• 42:14
  narrow it down for them. Apparently, Schroeder stated they needed a teletype tonight
• 42:21
  to refute these allegations being accused at them from Wanda and Earl. He wanted
• 42:29
  us to tell him how many times kill Him and Wanda were interviewed. Also
• 42:34
  advised as to whether we found out from Wanda that kill Him was in Florida.
• 42:37
  He stated the teletype should also indicate the agents who conducted these interviews and
• 42:44
  whether or not they properly identified themselves as agents of the FBI. Said,
• 42:50
  Shanklin's pissed and then he wants answers, so he gets them. Well,
• 43:00
  I'm sure he didn't want him this. This is the answer, okay to
• 43:07
  his airtail that he set out, and it's is addressed to j Edgar Hoover,
• 43:15
  the Director of the FBI, from the special Agent in charge of Dallas,
• 43:22
  Jack Ruby. Blah blah blah blah blah. Files of Dallas office revealed
• 43:25
  that Wanda Joyce Killim was interviewed on only one occasion in Dallas by FBI agents,
• 43:31
  and then her husband, Henry Thomas Killim was reported as residing at eight
• 43:37
  one one for Newport Avenue, Tampa, Florida. So apparently they're saying Wanda
• 43:45
  was only interviewed once and that she told him exactly where he was staying in
• 43:49
  Florida, not just Florida. They got eight one one for Newport Avenue,
• 43:54
  Tampa, Florida, and that Henry Thomas Killim was interviewed on one occasion only,
• 44:01
  and that being at the above address in Tampa, Florida, by an
• 44:06
  FBI agent. Agents properly identified themselves on each of the above two interviews,
• 44:12
  no indication. Wanda Joyce kill Him, ever, reported to Dallas FBI that
• 44:15
  her husband was actually in Pensacola, so they got their answer. But if
• 44:23
  it was the FBI only interviewed each of them one time, never together,
• 44:30
  but that it was so bad that supposedly Hank had to leave Dallas and go
• 44:37
  back home to mommy in Pensacola. And he's repeatedly saying that they were harassing
• 44:45
  him. So who were these mysterious agents? Hard to say, hard to
• 44:52
  say. They didn't want to interview Hank and Wanda together, Is that what
• 44:55
  you said? They didn't. He'd already left for Dallas by the time they
• 45:00
  figured out, because I don't think he was on the radar until John Carter
• 45:08
  put him on blast as being Hey, I'm friends with Hank kill Him and
• 45:14
  Wanda blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah you were, John Carter, he
• 45:19
  was slaying that thing. You were painting that house white, like you know
• 45:23
  the irishman. Uh yeah, I used to that was the base off.
• 45:32
  Yes, yes, that's a good one. Didn't veiled reference. Thank you,
• 45:38
  And I was I was sharing this while you were talking, but I
• 45:43
  didn't want to interrupt you. This was an article I think you were reading
• 45:47
  that I came across and this was on Mary Farrell. So it looks like
• 45:50
  cartoons, but it has mister Wandham uh kill him on the left obviously Jack
• 45:57
  Ruby on the right, and it talks about how he Hank woind never killed
• 46:00
  himself. The hip, the hip honey talking three hundred per week nightclub hostess.
• 46:08
  That's a quote and a half. I must say, the hip honey,
• 46:13
  what the three? The hip honey talking maybe honey trap. Maybe that's
• 46:19
  like a yeah, three hundred dollars per week nightclub hostess. She doesn't believe
• 46:25
  agents was a little black Man or Kennedy assassination plotters could have driven her husband
• 46:32
  to suicide. That can't be a photograph, dude. Well it's it's like
• 46:37
  it's like one of those courtroom sketches, you know, But it's funny that
• 46:44
  like that's what comes up. That's funny. Bubbles. It looks like she's
• 46:49
  melting. Yes, yes, we all are, sir. So fast forward
• 46:55
  to well, not fast forward. We're still at the in February sixty seven.
• 47:01
  So now this guy, okay Smith R. Gill no relation to g
• 47:08
  Ray. I don't think I saw that the king the same exact thing.
• 47:15
  I was like this, You can't make this stuff up, folks, you
• 47:20
  can't. An investigator with the County Solicitor's Office in Pensacola, Florida, advised
• 47:25
  that County Solicitor Carl Harper has been contacted by the deceased brother Earl you know
• 47:34
  for an exclamation right after reading an article about Jim Garrison's investigation into the assassination
• 47:42
  of President Kennedy, and mister Gil stated he'd previously known the deceased Henry Killam
• 47:50
  a white male. Oh, we have a birthdate, Joe white male born
• 47:55
  nine twenty two. So if he was arrested for trafficking sex trafficking in nineteen
• 48:05
  forty nine, he would have been twenty seven at the time of his arrest.
• 48:08
  It's not out of the realm of possibility. If you're you know,
• 48:10
  if you're a sex trafficker, you know, if he was seventeen. You
• 48:15
  know, maybe not for twenty seven. You're old enough to know better.
• 48:22
  Rob an epic comment. Gills could be the new Martins, right, Oh,
• 48:32
  all right, he'd previously known him. Okay. He was born nine
• 48:36
  twenty two in Pensacola and for a number of years and related that on May
• 48:44
  twelfth, fifty eight. Now so we know of him being arrested for sex
• 48:50
  trafficking in forty nine. So in fifty eight, the deceased was arrested by
• 48:53
  local authorities on charges of breaking and entering and grand larceny. On October twenty
• 49:02
  third, fifty eight, the deceased entered a plea of guilty to the charges
• 49:07
  and was placed on seven years probation. It's a long probation. That is
• 49:15
  a long ass probation. Shortly after being placed on probation, the deceased absconded,
• 49:23
  which means he jetted from Pensacola and turned himself into local authorities orner about
• 49:31
  twelve six sixty three. Now, I'm sorry, Hank, kill him.
• 49:40
  But the fact that you were on probation and you're crying because you're being chased
• 49:46
  by agents, gee, I wonder why could it be? Because you were
• 49:53
  on the run. I don't know, just saying, but I didn't know
• 50:00
  that he turned himself into Dallas authorities on December the sixth of what year,
• 50:09
  nineteen sixty three? Yeah, so this predates the John Carter interview. Okay,
• 50:17
  and sir, I have a document, because we're going chronological order here,
• 50:22
  yees, I have something. And this is the first document of the
• 50:28
  killims right, and this is of twelve fourteen, So that was what five
• 50:34
  days after you just said eight ninth, eight days after? Eight days after?
• 50:40
  Right, So this is when the first FBI report comes up. And
• 50:45
  this was referred to in other documents that Rob and I have been looking into,
• 50:50
  and it talks a lot about some of what we've already said. But
• 50:55
  Wanda killing him, kill Him knows Jack Ruby about fifteen years Rob through her
• 51:01
  patronizing of the clubs in July sixties. Yeah, that's a nice way to
• 51:07
  put it. Well, she's worked for Jack Ruby for a long time,
• 51:09
  not just as the Carousel, but a lot of his other clubs as well.
• 51:13
  Yeah, right back to their early fifties. M Yeah, she wasn't
• 51:16
  a stripper, right, she was like a cigarette girl and a hostess or
• 51:21
  well, I think she was a little bit of everything, girl, if
• 51:23
  you know what, I'm all right, Well, officially, yeah, maybe
• 51:27
  on the night she wasn't stripping, she was selling cigarettes. Hey yeah,
• 51:31
  I mean and banging her husband's best friends. Oh yeah, uh but yeah,
• 51:39
  but before you continue, I just wanted to say that it just it
• 51:43
  just continued a lot of what we've already gone through here. She likes Jack
• 51:46
  Ruby and feels he's a wonderful employer, even if he is very temperamental.
• 51:51
  You know, we've talked about that a lot. She last saw Ruby about
• 51:54
  one month ago, so this is, you know, December fourteenth, so
• 52:00
  you're talking November fourteenth, about nine days before the assassination. Ish. She
• 52:07
  doesn't know if any trips made by Ruby and has never seen Ruby with a
• 52:12
  gun. I don't know why. That's for all evant. She does not
• 52:14
  know Lee Harvey. Oswalt has no information regarding any connection between Ruby and Oswalt.
• 52:19
  However, John Carter, a close friend of her husband's, lives at
• 52:23
  the rooming house where Oswalt resided. Carter has never been at the Carousel Club
• 52:30
  to her knowledge, and is non acquaint of Ruby. The only doll DPD
• 52:37
  that has ever seen him. Were two un uniformed polite patrolman and one uniformed
• 52:45
  sergeant. So just because I didn't want you to go further on the timeline,
• 52:50
  that's very interesting, yes, all right, back to mister Gil continued
• 52:57
  that after the deceased turned himself in, the deceased was continued on probation.
• 53:04
  So after he turned himself in from running for probation for seven years, actually
• 53:08
  more than more than seven fifty eight six, so he was gonna run for
• 53:12
  five years, they just let him keep being on probation instead of throwing him
• 53:20
  in jail and making him serve his sentence for the original charge of breaking and
• 53:24
  entering grand larceny. But I'm sure the Dallas police had bigger fish to fry
• 53:30
  in his time frame, right, I think so? Yeah, kill said
• 53:44
  after this the deceased mother, Okay, Mary Jane, kill him, Mary
• 53:51
  Jane. I love you, Mary Jane. Last days of Mary Jane.
• 54:00
  Time to feel the pain, Mary Jane. Kill him. Three sixteen Western
• 54:06
  Romina Street, Pensacola called him this gill Now on numerous occasions and requested aid
• 54:13
  in placing the deceased in a mental institution as he was quote hearing voices on
• 54:22
  the radio. Should you not? Uh man, they'll just throw anyone into
• 54:30
  a medical I mean, isn't that how radio works, Joe? I mean,
• 54:37
  you hear voices on the radio, and you hear music on the radio.
• 54:42
  You think, But she said he was hearing stuff. There wasn't there.
• 54:46
  He's hearing stuff on voices on the radio. Wasn't there? Oh man?
• 54:52
  Oh lordy? Uh imagining quote another quote, imagining people. We're following
• 55:00
  him and also seeing snakes everywhere. Interesting, Maybe he was tripping his balls
• 55:13
  off, Okay, because it certainly sounds like he was dosed and on something
• 55:20
  good. I mean, those aren't Those aren't symptoms of mental instability? Yeah,
• 55:24
  those are symptoms that you're tripping your ass off. Is a hearkening back
• 55:30
  Joe to uh Frank Frank Olsen who went through a plate glass window a little
• 55:44
  higher up than Hank kill him while he's tripping balls and killed by who?
• 55:52
  See? Yeah, And we had a previous quote by Betty Bobo about like
• 56:00
  twenty minutes ago said the mp Ultra SWA went back and I see dead people.
• 56:06
  Yes, oh lordie, that's not all. He was seeing snakes and
• 56:16
  the deceased mother also told him that the deceased was taken some kind of pills.
• 56:23
  I told you this dude was dosing. Man Gil said he visited the
• 56:30
  deceased and his mommy on numerous occasions, accompanied by the Florida Probation Officer John
• 56:37
  Skinner. On one occasion, he obtained samples of the pills being taken by
• 56:45
  the deceased and had them analyzed and determined that they were in fact barbituous and
• 56:52
  amphetamine tablets else DEE. As a result, arrangements were made to have the
• 57:00
  committed to Escambria General Hospital for treatment, in which commitment was scheduled for the
• 57:07
  very next day, March eighteenth, nineteen sixty four, which will be the
• 57:14
  day after he died. Gil stated that he's of the opinion that during a
• 57:20
  hallucination, Joe the deceased either fell or jumped into the store window, which
• 57:28
  resulted in his death by being cut by broken glass. Mister Gill advised that
• 57:36
  at the present time, solicit to HAPPA is in the process of making inquiries
• 57:40
  to determine if there is any reasonable ground to dig up the deceased body and
• 57:45
  conduct an autopsy. However, at the present time, mister Harper does not
• 57:50
  believe there are sufficient grounds or reasons for such an action, so spoiler alert,
• 58:00
  they didn't dig him up and do an autopsy. No nw ny name.
• 58:07
  And then I came across a very interesting document from the Garrison investigation to
• 58:14
  Louis Ivon, from investigator Gary Sanders, who was uh interviewing a woman by
• 58:22
  the name of Missus Kelton, missus Jean Kelton. This tribble, yes,
• 58:30
  oh, Louis ivan. During the summer of sixty three, missus Kelton worked
• 58:35
  as a saleswoman at Crouse Department store on Canal Street. In July or August,
• 58:40
  missus Kelton says she sold a light fixture ceiled and hanging tight to Lee
• 58:45
  Hobby Oswald. Oswald was accompanied by his wife and they had a little girl
• 58:52
  with him. Missus Calton said she remembered the couple because Oswald was quite rude
• 58:57
  and abrupt, and his wife seemed like a very sweet missus Calton said that
• 59:01
  Oswald repeated the things she said to it. She said to his wife in
• 59:06
  a foreign language wasn't French of Spanish, but kind of Slovak or Germanic.
• 59:12
  Missus Kelton said the woman was obviously pregnant, and the little girl called the
• 59:15
  pregnant woman mother, Hello, yes, mother. Kelton said the reason Oswald
• 59:23
  became so irritated was because the light fixture that he wanted had to be brought
• 59:30
  from a storeroom and required some time. Finally, Oswald got tired of waiting.
• 59:37
  I'm tired of waiting. It's cardium light fixture, and asked to have
• 59:39
  the fixture delivered, according to Missus Kelton, to an address on Magazine Street.
• 59:45
  Calton said Oswald was wearing dark pants and a white sports shirt. She
• 59:50
  can't remember what the woman was wearing. Now, that's the interesting part of
• 59:55
  the article until you get down to the park where she says. Until November
• 1:00:07
  sixty six and three years previous to that, Missus Calton had lived on the
• 1:00:12
  third floor of nine oh five Governor Nichols Street now Governor Nichols Street in the
• 1:00:17
  early sixties in New Orleans, part of the French Quarter, and there was
• 1:00:22
  a lot of parties going on around here, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:00:30
  A lot of paint and gold and huffing paint and nipple tweaking, things like
• 1:00:35
  that going on around here. Joe, I love the huffing paintments. Guess
• 1:00:38
  yes. Uh. The apartment house was managed by missus Antoinette Horneff. Horneff
• 1:00:47
  was she Horror Hornoff, and the bookkeeping and records are handled by the Caruso
• 1:00:53
  Gold Real Estate Company. Calton says she used to see clay Shaw on numerous
• 1:01:00
  occasions on the street Joe at Public's food Store Rampart Street, going in and
• 1:01:04
  out of Cosimo's Bar, and Missus Kelton since she used to do her laundry
• 1:01:13
  at the launderette close to the Rider coffee house and observed many of the people
• 1:01:16
  going in and out of this coffee house, and she says they also frequented
• 1:01:24
  this Cosimo's Bar. During the period of time Missus Kelton lived at nine oh
• 1:01:31
  five Governor Nichol Street. A young man occupied an apartment in these same quarters
• 1:01:36
  of the same address. Missus Kelton knew the man, but does not remember
• 1:01:39
  his name or anything about him, except that she thinks he may have worked
• 1:01:43
  in the window displayed department on one of the Canal Street stores. Missus Kelton
• 1:01:49
  said that the man she had seen and now knows is Clayshaw. Visited this
• 1:01:52
  young man on numerous occasions. I wonder what they were doing. Joe h.
• 1:02:00
  Missus Calton said she once encountered Shaw going in and out, and in
• 1:02:07
  and out, and in and out of the entrance which led to the slave
• 1:02:13
  quarters at nine oh five Governor Nichols. Missus Calton spoke with Shaw on many
• 1:02:19
  occasions, usually just passing the time of day with him. Once the young
• 1:02:22
  man told missus Calton that my patron is sending me to Puerto Rico. Preferring
• 1:02:30
  to Shaw. Missus Kelton said she knew the young man was a gay,
• 1:02:37
  and she assumed that Shaw was a gay. Also, a man by the
• 1:02:44
  name of John Carter still lives at Wait, what a man by the name
• 1:02:51
  of John Carter still lives? And now I know it's a common name.
• 1:02:53
  Pefee wanted calm down, calm down, jabs as bad as John Mark.
• 1:03:00
  Okay, Carter. One man by the name of John Carter still lives at
• 1:03:07
  nine oh five Governor Nichols, And according to missus Kelton, Newshaw's boyfriend,
• 1:03:13
  the nineteen sixty seven city directory list John Carter as a painter living at nine
• 1:03:22
  oh five Governor Nichols. Now I know a lot of people are named John
• 1:03:30
  Carter. Maybe a lot of guys named John Carter are painters. But you
• 1:03:38
  literally can't make this up. This is a footnote to this whole thing.
• 1:03:47
  Now here's a funny Joe, real quick, I haven't been laughing. Two
• 1:03:55
  days after Hank Killim kills himself. Two days after March nineteen, nineteen sixty
• 1:04:01
  four to mister Rosen, who's you know, pretty high up in the FBI.
• 1:04:14
  This comes from C. L McGowan, subject John Carter, Havard of
• 1:04:19
  Grace, Maryland, information concerning At nine pm on this date, a person
• 1:04:29
  identifying himself as John Carter, who appeared to be a little innocent schoolboy,
• 1:04:36
  called, indicating he had seen a science fiction movie concerning flying sauces and requested
• 1:04:44
  any information that the Bureau might have as to whether such actually existed for use
• 1:04:48
  in writing his science paper. He was advised that this was a matter which
• 1:04:54
  was not within the jurisdiction of the FBI, and consequently no such material could
• 1:04:59
  be furnished by this bureau action just for information. Now you know this is
• 1:05:04
  a bold faced lie, Joseph. They lied to this little boy, John
• 1:05:10
  Carter. They lied to him because we know Guy Bannister was one of the
• 1:05:17
  first quote unquote X files investigators for the FBI chasing UFOs in the Midwest.
• 1:05:27
  I'm happy because I was about too. Yeah, they had little boy,
• 1:05:32
  John Carter. They lied to him. It's just the timing, you know.
• 1:05:35
  You find these documents and you're like, oh. When I first read
• 1:05:40
  it, I was like, oh, cool. Hold. Then I saw
• 1:05:42
  it was a schoolboy. I was like, damn it. Then really a
• 1:05:45
  wild if it was like legit, John, that John Carter we're talking about
• 1:05:50
  May second, sixty eight to Louis Ivon from Sergeant Fred Williams, investigator regarding
• 1:05:59
  the low location of John Carter. They were looking for John Carter because they
• 1:06:02
  smelled a connection in the Garrison investigation between John Carter, Kill him, Kill
• 1:06:09
  him and the assassination as instructed. I went to nine oh five Governor Nichol
• 1:06:15
  Street to locate John Carter, a white male who reportedly knew of clay Shaw's
• 1:06:19
  associations in the quarter. John Carter, a white male five nine, one
• 1:06:27
  hundred and fifty pounds, smooth complexion, black hair slightly graying at the temples,
• 1:06:34
  A painter by profession, does reside at nine oh five Governor Nichol Street
• 1:06:40
  in the rear upstairs slave quarters. He says he hasn't been to Texas since
• 1:06:50
  nineteen fifty six, and he stated that he did not know Shaw personally,
• 1:06:56
  but he had only seen him in the quarter. A follow up on this
• 1:07:00
  made by Gary Sanders as he was this source of the original information. So
• 1:07:05
  do be lion, Do be lion. Mh. But uh, yeah,
• 1:07:11
  that brings us up to the Garrison investigation. And now we're in the seventies
• 1:07:16
  for the HSCA and I will drop it, hand the baton over to Joseph
• 1:07:24
  wherever you're at. Gigglely Joe because I've been giggling for the gig Joe,
• 1:07:30
  Giggy giggley if you get that reference. And uh now I just saw that
• 1:07:38
  comment. What this one? That's how you have to open the show from
• 1:07:48
  now on. Yeah. I actually had to message it and say, uh,
• 1:07:58
  Scott, thanks sir, appreciate it, buddy, Scott, you are
• 1:08:02
  the man. Thank you. We will send the lavender panthers over. It's
• 1:08:06
  a party with you a little bit, thank you. And yeah, because
• 1:08:13
  I don't want to be uh you know what, what was the I think
• 1:08:18
  it was Trey that said at last episode, I don't want to be chafiller
• 1:08:27
  Joe. It might have been somewhere else if I if I said, I'm
• 1:08:30
  crazy, but damn Ron, just do the damn segment. You're you're killing
• 1:08:40
  all my audios. Here. You showed me how to do audios and then
• 1:08:44
  you took it away from me. But I didn't take anything away from here.
• 1:08:47
  Okay, probably in the wrong section I was. I was looking for
• 1:08:51
  the sex barbers comment. Oh it's there, but I'm I'm not gonna yeah
• 1:09:01
  moors than six Bob is. Do you believe that Doug didn't get that right
• 1:09:09
  away? It's hard to believe, being this big soprano's head that he is.
• 1:09:15
  Man. I did you see the New News? Which New News Next
• 1:09:21
  year they're coming out with uh Soprano, The Rise of Tony Soprano? Is
• 1:09:28
  that with uh? His son's playing oh, Mike or no, uh whatever.
• 1:09:35
  He was in the many stands of Newark as the young well they read
• 1:09:42
  yeah, but they're redoing like an episodic. Yeah, you know deal called
• 1:09:47
  soprano, just called soprano. You know. I saw that on either Twitter
• 1:09:53
  or Instagram, and I didn't believe it. And you want something cool,
• 1:09:56
  Rob, I went to the many stands of newer which was the prequel of
• 1:10:01
  The Sopranos right in New York City, and all the actors were there.
• 1:10:10
  It was the opening, like as it opened in the movie theaters, and
• 1:10:14
  they they played it there. It was that one of those really fancy places.
• 1:10:20
  Giggity giggity, Sally, we love it when we see the pounds coming
• 1:10:25
  through. Thank you so much. Thank you translates to like eighty dollars in
• 1:10:30
  the United States money, So thank you very much. Yes, we appreciate
• 1:10:36
  it. I can't remember where. But getting back to the topic at hand.
• 1:10:44
  So I showed one document before, and like, there's not a ton
• 1:10:47
  of of documents on Killium and John Carter, but this was really interesting.
• 1:10:53
  This was an HCA final report document and my keyword shirt this and said the
• 1:11:00
  Warrant Commission looked at Ruby's conduct and associations from November twenty first through November twenty
• 1:11:06
  fourth to determine if they reflected a conspiratorial relationship between Ruby and Oswald, right,
• 1:11:15
  And I think that's what they were trying to cover up Rob was this
• 1:11:20
  and why they didn't maybe interview killing him or Wanda or or John Carter.
• 1:11:32
  Right. As for numerous phone contacts Ruby had yeah, with underwroll figures for
• 1:11:42
  weeks preceding the assassination. And we know that the Commission believed his explanation that
• 1:11:47
  they had to do with his troubles with the American skilled of variety artists.
• 1:11:53
  That was his excuse for calling all these out of town people, which included
• 1:12:00
  like McWillie and other shady sus characters there, and that rather than reflecting other
• 1:12:13
  sinister associations that might have been related to the president's assassination. The Commission also
• 1:12:20
  found no evidence that Ruby and Oswalt had ever been acquainted. Again, They're
• 1:12:26
  like really playing kind of defense here, although the Commission knowledge that they had
• 1:12:31
  both lived in the oak Cliffe section of Dallas, had post office boxes at
• 1:12:39
  the Terminal Annex, and had possible but tenuous third party links the period.
• 1:12:49
  These included Oswald's landlady Earlene Roberts, whose sister Bertha Creek had visited Ruby as
• 1:12:59
  Yeah, she had. She had a nice cheek that mister rah had visited
• 1:13:05
  Ruby's nightclub on November eighteenth. I'll tell you what I've seen a picture of
• 1:13:11
  birth the cheek. You put her and her sister, Earlene Roberts together,
• 1:13:17
  and poor Earleen got the bed into the DNA spectrum because birth the cheek was
• 1:13:24
  relatively hot early. Why don't you have a photo of this, Ram Well,
• 1:13:32
  I wasn't expecting. We're saving we're saving it. We're saving it for
• 1:13:36
  the next episode. But Earlen Roberts, whose sister and a fellow boarder at
• 1:13:45
  Osborne's rooming house, John Carter, who was friendly with a close friend and
• 1:13:50
  employee of Ruby, wanted to kill him. The commission also looked to Ruby's
• 1:13:57
  ties to other individuals or groups that might have been observed or obviated the need
• 1:14:03
  for a direct contact contact with Oswalt near at the time of the assassination.
• 1:14:09
  Ruby was found not to be linked with two pro or anti Castro Cuban groups
• 1:14:16
  m debatable. He was also found not to be linked to quote illegal activities
• 1:14:25
  with members of Organized Underworld. Now that's really interesting, Rob, because you
• 1:14:30
  know this is HCA, and you know the HSCA under Blakey kind of blame
• 1:14:39
  the mob for whatever they could, Right, it was probable the mafia was
• 1:14:44
  somehow involved, right, I think that was semi the wording of their The
• 1:14:49
  problem is all the mafioso that they were able to interview denied everything, and
• 1:14:58
  a lot of the mafiosa wanted to interview never made it to the interview day,
• 1:15:03
  so found in a drum. Yeah I was shot in the mouth.
• 1:15:10
  Yeah. Yeah. It's just really interesting that they worded it that way because
• 1:15:16
  the HCA, we know as two like try to blame the mob as in
• 1:15:26
  comparison to say like anti Castro Cuban groups, which I think I could speak
• 1:15:31
  for rob and this and this point that I think we think that they had
• 1:15:38
  a significant role, right, and they seem to just poo poo that that
• 1:15:45
  aspect of it and blame the mafia. Yet they don't tie killing him and
• 1:15:55
  Ruby and Carter to other groups. Right, kill him, God damn kill
• 1:16:01
  them, kill him, kill them. The Commission noted that Ruby kill him,
• 1:16:06
  Yes, kill them, that could be an alias, by the way,
• 1:16:14
  disclaim that he was associated with organized crime activities, and it did not
• 1:16:21
  find reason to disbelieve him. The evidence fell short of demonstrating that Ruby was
• 1:16:28
  significantly affiliated with organized crime. Okay, I think that in twenty twenty four
• 1:16:39
  here we can say that is not true, because yeah, it's pretty safe
• 1:16:45
  assumption. Yeah, in the year of Our Lord twenty and twenty four.
• 1:16:49
  You know what, Rob, I was reading a bunch of documents and they
• 1:16:53
  don't say year of our Lord anymore. They just say, like twenty twenty
• 1:16:58
  three, twenty four. Well Jesus has been canceled. Yeah that's true.
• 1:17:02
  So but yeah, no more of that nonsense. I like the It just
• 1:17:06
  sounds good, right, the year for our Lord. I just like it
• 1:17:11
  now in nineteen and thirty five, I like that in twenty and twenty four,
• 1:17:20
  we should bring we should bring that back. Yeah. I totally got
• 1:17:25
  in a petition to bring it back one hundred. But yeah, I just
• 1:17:30
  wanted to show you that HCA thing I found, and I had found the
• 1:17:36
  earlier it was December of nineteen sixty three document that dealt with Wanda and uh
• 1:17:47
  killing him and Carter kill him, damn it, kill him, kill him.
• 1:17:53
  You felt it wrong initially, so I'm screwed. I don't have the
• 1:18:00
  short term memory. So but uh, okay, after week, I mean
• 1:18:06
  there's so many push down the pipe. Yeah, and you can just tell
• 1:18:15
  they're trying to really like not highlight You've ruby an Oswalt possible relationship, which
• 1:18:23
  I think, kill them. There you go. And Carter seemed to uh
• 1:18:30
  point towards so and you Deane's getting out of hand down there in Texas.
• 1:18:38
  Better handle your business. Called all right? So that brings us what's up,
• 1:18:47
  Tim, Tim's in the house. That brings us to the A R
• 1:18:55
  r B, the assassination Records and Review Board. And now you might not
• 1:19:00
  think that they did anything with the kill Them investigation, but they actually did.
• 1:19:10
  Apparently while they were having an open hearings in New Orleans, a man
• 1:19:19
  by the name of Elton Killing kill him, Elton, kill him, Elton
• 1:19:26
  kill him? Came forward. Elton, what is it? It's Elton like
• 1:19:31
  Elton, John Alton, Elton, Elton kill him comes forward and it just
• 1:19:42
  open hearing in New Orleans. Mean he comes forth and uh, he says,
• 1:19:47
  I know some of the things I may tell you this morning would not
• 1:19:51
  necessarily be admissible in courts hearsay, but it's still my research. So this
• 1:19:59
  is this is uh Elton's Elton kill Him's Yeah testimony? And Rob did he
• 1:20:09
  say he was a distant cousin. I think got there, Joe, I
• 1:20:12
  will get there, damn it. I wasn't sure what. Calm down,
• 1:20:16
  calm down, We'll get there. A promise, I promise. I promise
• 1:20:24
  back when Henry Thomas kill Him died in Pensacola, Florida. I was just
• 1:20:29
  a young boy, fifteen years old, Joe young, smooth boy. Prior
• 1:20:35
  to his death my household. He received a number of calls after the Kennedy
• 1:20:40
  assassination looking for Henry Thomas kill Him. I am a distant cousin of mister
• 1:20:47
  Killim. What does system means? Second? Third, I'm the sixth cousin
• 1:20:55
  twice removed. If you must know, interesting, I got the same last
• 1:21:00
  name. I mean we're related. He was one of the first suspicious deaths
• 1:21:08
  in the wake of the Kennedy assassination. At the time of Hank Killem's death,
• 1:21:13
  he had lived previously in Dallas was married to a longtime employee of Jack
• 1:21:16
  Ruby's, Wanda Joyce Davis Killim. Hank was a large, imposing individual,
• 1:21:24
  approximately six foot four and two hundred and fifty pounds of master baiting fury.
• 1:21:30
  Hey six' four six four two fifty of sex trafficking fury. I'm not
• 1:21:36
  messing with that guy. No, probably hung like a freaking mule. He
• 1:21:43
  just looks like the type, all right. That just that's just wrong.
• 1:21:50
  Who made this YouTube? Handle what in the sam hell's going on around here?
• 1:22:00
  Gruber, I'll have you know my wang is not crooked, is as
• 1:22:06
  straight as an arrow, Sir, yes or madam whoever you are, Grueber,
• 1:22:19
  damn it. I have information that he worked either as a bouncer,
• 1:22:24
  a bartender, or a hangar out of sorts at Ruby's Carousel Club. That's
• 1:22:29
  new information that we did not have before. Joe when it says that Ruby
• 1:22:34
  kicked him out because he used to come on sniffing around there all the time,
• 1:22:38
  you know what I mean. Other researchers and family friends have uncovered the
• 1:22:43
  following about Kilm's relationship to the jfk assassination. Immediately after the assassination, Killm
• 1:22:51
  was questioned by the FBI in Dallas. Prior to living in Dallas, Killm
• 1:22:55
  was on probation, which we know where he acted as an informant. And
• 1:23:01
  here we go, Joe. He acted as an informant for the Sheriff's department
• 1:23:04
  in the County Solicitor's office, but Dallas FBI requested that the County Solicitor's office
• 1:23:11
  in Pensacola pick up kill him. After the assassination of John F. Kennedy,
• 1:23:16
  So this guy was also a rat, well not really a rat,
• 1:23:21
  but he was an informant while in Dallas, huh, as a lot of
• 1:23:30
  people were at that time. Yeah, while in Dallas, Killing painted houses
• 1:23:36
  with a man named John Carter who was a Beckley Street occupant and possibly helped
• 1:23:43
  find a place to stay at the request of Jack Ruby. Oh, thank
• 1:23:50
  you, Hell comes to play the Bloody Benders. Thank you very much.
• 1:23:55
  Well, thank you for helping straighten that out. I appreciate it. Uh,
• 1:24:02
  not that is anything wrong with having a crooked wing. I'm sure some
• 1:24:06
  some folks do have that problem. But you know, nope, straight straight
• 1:24:13
  eight bud straight. But who knows. Mhm, you can hang a flag
• 1:24:18
  off of this thing. Man, what are you talking about? Why would
• 1:24:25
  Dallas kill him painted with John Carter and possibly helped Oswald find a place to
• 1:24:30
  stay at the request of Jack Ruby. It's been reported that kill Him also
• 1:24:36
  resided at the Beckley Street to death address and shared a bathroom with Oswald.
• 1:24:44
  Well, what that's new information? Yeah, did he brush his teeth before
• 1:24:48
  he went to bed? Yeah, with Oswald's dick? Approximately, Sorry,
• 1:24:56
  I had to you threw me a softball. I had to not I got
• 1:25:00
  somebodys right out of the park without Approximately one week after the assassination, Killim
• 1:25:08
  returned to Pensacola a very frightened man and spoke to various people about the circumstances
• 1:25:14
  surrounding the assassination. He claimed he had special knowledge and carried around a large
• 1:25:18
  wallet filled with newspaper articles pertaining to the assassination. Kilim had stated that he
• 1:25:25
  had been in meetings in New Orleans and in Dallas where the assassination had been
• 1:25:30
  discussed. Killen was also a frequent visitor to New Orleans and liked to go
• 1:25:39
  to the show bar. As the committee may know, that's where Jada was
• 1:25:45
  employed. Yes, yes, and I understand that she wrote around in a
• 1:25:53
  red Chevy and Pollock convertible that was parked in the garage of Jack Ruby.
• 1:26:00
  Killing was picked up for violation of probation in Pensacola in December of sixty three.
• 1:26:06
  He was in jail for approximately two weeks because of that, but was
• 1:26:11
  checked out of jail daily and allowed to spend his days in a local bar
• 1:26:15
  because he was such a good widowing for mean. Killm told the owner of
• 1:26:20
  the bar that he had special knowledge of the assassination, and then he'd been
• 1:26:26
  involved in the transportation of a woman associated with Ruby. So maybe he didn't
• 1:26:40
  give up his sex trafficking days after all, Joe. Maybe he just got
• 1:26:44
  better at doing it. While in Pensacola, the FBI interviewed and polygraphed him,
• 1:26:51
  allegedly gave him a polygraph, and they generated memorandums about these interviews.
• 1:26:57
  I have not seen the hang kill Him polygrap but I would like to,
• 1:27:03
  and I've had FBI agents in Pensacola tell me they generated memorandums which I have
• 1:27:08
  not been able to obtain from the National Archives. Kill Him left Pensacola for
• 1:27:13
  Tampa in order to escape the harassment of the FBI. He was then reinterviewed
• 1:27:17
  in Tampa, which produced a statement as in the Warrant Commission report, which
• 1:27:23
  does not coincide with what he told anybody in Pensacola. Shocker. I have
• 1:27:29
  tried to talk to the FBI agents in Tampa that interviewed him down there,
• 1:27:32
  but they have refused to talk to me about their interviews with mister Killim.
• 1:27:38
  Killum was forced to come back to his mother's house in Pensacola. He stated
• 1:27:42
  the County Solicitors investigator in Pensacola who I've personally interviewed two weeks prior to his
• 1:27:46
  death, that there were little dark people, little dark people following him around
• 1:27:57
  who he described as either Mexicans or Cubans, and that they were out to
• 1:28:02
  kill him. There was also, in addition to the little dark people,
• 1:28:15
  there was also a man dressed as a priest who was following him around Pensacola
• 1:28:20
  at that period of time. And I know that Frank Sturgis was known to
• 1:28:24
  carry around a priest outfit. Of course David Ferry paraded around as a priest,
• 1:28:30
  and also his former roommate Raymond Burushars. I knew you were gonna say
• 1:28:34
  that. I feel like there's a good possibility that one of these three men
• 1:28:41
  were in Pensacola during that period of time shadowing mister Killim on the day this
• 1:28:48
  priest was sighted. This was independently verified Joe by the minister from mister Killim,
• 1:28:55
  who was present at his house and witnessed the person across the street watching
• 1:28:59
  the house. So we have a man dressed in a priest outfit peeking around
• 1:29:04
  a tree, watching another priest inside Haint Kilm's house, so that you know
• 1:29:13
  he verified it. Jack Martin, yeah, or Thomas Beckham or who knows.
• 1:29:20
  I talked to mister Kilm's probation officer, who personally took two FBI agents
• 1:29:25
  over to Killim's house because he had talked to mister Killham and had been advised
• 1:29:29
  in the information regarding special knowledge of the assassination. He told the probation officer
• 1:29:33
  that the only person he would reveal the full story of what he knew about
• 1:29:39
  would be Lyndon Johnson. So the only person I'm going to tell the whole
• 1:29:45
  story too, Lyndon Johnson. Bring him down to Florida. I'll tell him
• 1:29:48
  everything. I know everything. After the inning, Huh did he go no?
• 1:29:58
  I'll no, no. He was very busy. After the interview with
• 1:30:03
  the FBI, they advised the probation officer that kill Him needed psychiatric help.
• 1:30:11
  That psychiatric help was never forthcoming, because the next morning kill Him was dead.
• 1:30:17
  His death occurred on March seventeen sixty four in the early morning as a
• 1:30:23
  result of a single slash. There was three inches deep into his jugular vein
• 1:30:31
  that is the main vein Joe that runs from your brain to your heart.
• 1:30:39
  Yes, right on the side of your neck. Doesn't sound like a random
• 1:30:43
  like slashing, but I don't know. There's three inches deep. Officially,
• 1:30:54
  the death was ruled Where was Jack Ruby when this was all happening? Oh,
• 1:31:00
  I'm sorry, Yeah, who's in jail? I thought old Pinky might
• 1:31:03
  have stuck his pinky and uh, never mind. Officially, the death was
• 1:31:10
  ruled as a suicide on an accident that he apparently jumped or fell through a
• 1:31:13
  plate glass window. There were no other cuts on his body, Joe,
• 1:31:19
  you would think he would have a few if somehow his head went through a
• 1:31:24
  plate glass window. Yes, cut his neck, you would think glad he
• 1:31:30
  would have other cuts. I can't test you would. That's a little suss.
• 1:31:34
  Yes, Joe knows from experience. In nineteen sixty seven, his brother
• 1:31:44
  Earl tried to have the bodies uned. This was in the wake of the
• 1:31:46
  Garrison investigation, and that was denied by local authorities, citing no association between
• 1:31:54
  the assassination and the death of mister kill him. I've independently received CIA DOT
• 1:32:00
  documents and other material not provided to the JFK Archives pertending to kill him.
• 1:32:03
  He says, I feel that other FBI documents do exist, and this is
• 1:32:09
  because the number of encounters that I have verified that mister Killim did have with
• 1:32:13
  the FBI. I realized this one little individual is maybe not important to the
• 1:32:18
  grand scheme of things, but it does present to this board the problems that
• 1:32:23
  one person has and trying to obtain information from the national archives, which they
• 1:32:29
  may be denied this information by the FBI. And for that reason, I'm
• 1:32:33
  not able to put together a total view of what happened. Now, I've
• 1:32:36
  listened to other witnesses testify, and I can tell you about some of the
• 1:32:40
  things that I'm concerned about on a broader scale that might available that might be
• 1:32:46
  available to this Community Committee upon request. I understand that the CBS footage of
• 1:32:53
  what happened in Dallas has never been released by the network, that it may
• 1:32:57
  show Joe a student Baker that Oswald allegedly escaped the depository in Yes, you
• 1:33:03
  gotta watch out for those studi Bakers. I was watching the show not too
• 1:33:09
  long ago where they were discussing Haldeman's diary and Haldeman's Diary, there was a
• 1:33:15
  section class classified the Delt with a conversation that Richard Nixon, and then it
• 1:33:24
  jumps questions. I don't know what happened there, but I didn't miss anything.
• 1:33:31
  Apparently they cut him off and they'd heard enough, and mister Joyce with
• 1:33:36
  the A R R B asked him a question. Mister kill him, I
• 1:33:40
  think you said that the published interview by the FBI with your relative in Tampa
• 1:33:44
  did not coincide with a lot of information in Pensacola that he'd given to the
• 1:33:48
  FBI. I'm wondering, first, how do you know that? And second
• 1:33:53
  whether there might be documentation that supports that and that could be made available to
• 1:33:57
  the board or you can direct this to it. Mister killm says, I
• 1:34:00
  haven't interviewed three or three of the four wives allegedly married to mister Killin through
• 1:34:08
  the years, and upon his return from Dallas, he told one of them
• 1:34:13
  specifically that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby and that he has special
• 1:34:18
  knowledge concerned in the assassination. I've also interviewed a niece of mister Killolms who
• 1:34:24
  talked to him several days before his death, and she related to me that
• 1:34:28
  he told her that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby. I've also
• 1:34:33
  interviewed several other people who verified the same information. There's also some information that's
• 1:34:39
  published by Penn Jones. Penn Jones's research would be very valuable in this regard.
• 1:34:45
  He published an article where he described the fact that mister Killim lived in
• 1:34:48
  the rooming house with Oswald on Beckley Avenue and was seen in the company of
• 1:34:54
  Oswald before the assassination. That's interesting. I have to find that Penn Jones
• 1:35:01
  article. Certainly this doesn't coincide with the commission to Exhibit fourteen fifty one,
• 1:35:08
  which states to kill him had no knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald and just a
• 1:35:12
  brief encounter with Ruby at the club over the fact his wife was a girl
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  there and she knew nothing about him other than he had some dogs and she
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  had fed him some pizza and they had gotten mad about that incident, and
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  that was the extent of the committee. He would just eat the pizza and
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  stuff. Joe wand Wanda feed me some pizza, feed down. She didn't
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  know him, and we just read from a document she knew him fifteen years.
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  Yeah. No, no, she didn't say she didn't know Ruby.
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  She was. They were saying that that was the only contact that Hank had
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  with Ruby, I see, and that was the extent of the commission exhibits
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  the interview with mister kill Him, and of course the FBI agents who interviewed
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  him are still alive and well in Tampa, and they won't talk about it.
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  Of course they're under some oath I understand, not to discuss things that
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  went on. Judge Tunnheim says, thank you very much, mister Killim.
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  We appreciate your testimony this morning or this afternoon. I guess this brings us
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  to the close of our public hearing today in New Orleans. I should mention
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  I neglected too earlier that our colleague, doctor Henry Grass was unable to be
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  with us today, could not join us. The testimony we received this morning,
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  I think has been very helpful and very interesting, giving us some excellent
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  insights. So there you have Elton Killim's a distant cousin of Hank Killim,
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  with some insider baseball information that no No old Hank new Lee, Harvey Oswald
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  and Jack Ruby, and possibly with staying at back under an assumed name.
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  Yeah, and I think Rob he was a criminal defense lawyer, if I'm
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  not mistaken. So it's not like he and yeah, he wasn't like living
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  in the trailer parks and drinking. It has some more reasons right down,
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  like a normal skufuza, right, yeah, And he went out and did
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  interviews and you know, investigated things. So props to Elton, props to
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  Elton kill him. Which brings us up to the present day. You know,
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  when I was looking through all this stuff I'm looking, I found an
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  article from a pencil, the Pensacola Beat. And this article is from just
• 1:37:47
  last year, Joe September sixteenth, twenty twenty three. Really yep. It's
• 1:37:53
  entitled Secret Suspicion and a Shattered Window the connection between JFK's assassination and aim serious
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  death in Pensacola. And it just goes through the story. You know,
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  han't kill him as a name that's likely unfamiliar to most Pensacolons. Blah blah
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  blah blah blah blah blah. Right, and this guy who wrote this,
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  if I could find the author's name or the the news guy's name, there's
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  nothing really relevatory in this thing. It just gives the oh, there is,
• 1:38:33
  actually there is something relative revelatory in this article. I forgot so fast.
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  Forward to the article March seventeen sixty four, a mere few months before
• 1:38:47
  Kennedy's assassination. After Kennedy's assassination, Pensacola would bear witness to a bizarre and
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  gruesome scene outside the Decent Building, one of the landmark buildings and down town
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  Pensacola and Palafox and Remonasteries. It was there that kill Him was discovered on
• 1:39:04
  the sidewalk, bleeding profusely, his throat brutally severed. Shattered glass surrounded his
• 1:39:13
  lifeless body, leaving a haunting tableau that would perplexed investigators for years to come.
• 1:39:20
  The official verdict suicide. But here's where the plot thickens. Escambria's County's
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  Corner doctor A. H. Northrop examined kill Him's body and was dumbfounded.
• 1:39:36
  His soul injury was a deep three inch laceration to his neck. Doctor Northrop
• 1:39:43
  couldn't fathom how the police could label this as a quote probable suicide. In
• 1:39:47
  ten years as a medical examiner, I've never heard of a man trying to
• 1:39:51
  kill himself in that way, he exclaimed, which is true. It's not
• 1:39:57
  waited to want to kill yourself. I mean seriously, investigators ventured down a
• 1:40:03
  particular path, theorizing that kill Him had somehow thrown himself through the storefront window,
• 1:40:12
  severing his own neck on the jagged glass before crawling onto the sidewalk.
• 1:40:17
  But was this truly a suicide or something more sinister? Hank Kilim's demise,
• 1:40:28
  wrapped in mystery, has fuel conspiracy theories for over five decades. His connections
• 1:40:33
  to Oswald and Ruby cast a long shadow of suspicion over his role in Kennedy's
• 1:40:38
  assassination. Could kill him have held a key to unraveling one of the greatest
• 1:40:43
  mysteries in American history. Before Kennedy's tragic end, Hank Kilim led an unassuming
• 1:40:49
  life as a painter in Dallas. His close friend and co worker, John
• 1:40:56
  Carter, happened to be a roommate of Oswald, while his wife Won danced
• 1:41:00
  at Jack Ruby's nightclub. These seemingly innocent associations would forever alter kill Him's destiny.
• 1:41:10
  He claimed to possess quote special knowledge of the assassination plot and believed he
• 1:41:15
  was a marked man, hunted by shadowy federal agents and little black people dark
• 1:41:25
  people. Sorry, I'm a dead man. They're gonna get me, but
• 1:41:30
  I've run as far as I'm gonna run. Han't kill him too, told
• 1:41:33
  his brother Earl. After the assassination, he fled Dallas, finding refuge in
• 1:41:41
  Tampa, but his pursuers were relentless, and desperation, he turned to the
• 1:41:47
  one place he believed he could escape, to Pensacola. They're gonna get me,
• 1:41:54
  but I've run as far as I'm gonna run. He can find it
• 1:41:57
  in his brother. Earl sought sanctuary in his mother's home on West Rodminasty,
• 1:42:05
  a stone's throw from where they ever Man Grocery now stands. But even there
• 1:42:13
  his tormentors found him. Agents and plotters haunted his downtown dwelling in the aftermath
• 1:42:18
  of the president's assassination. He even claimed that men masquerading his clergymen descended upon
• 1:42:25
  his home, adding to the sinister air of intrigue. Now here's the part
• 1:42:31
  we haven't talked about it all. The night of his death unfolded like a
• 1:42:39
  chilling thriller. According to his mother, at four a m. That's four
• 1:42:46
  am in the morning, Killim received a mysterious phone call, keppelling him to
• 1:42:54
  get up and leave his mother's house. Moments later, a car door slam
• 1:43:00
  shut that she could hear outside. Less than half an hour afterward, Hank
• 1:43:08
  Kilim was discovered unconscious and bleeding to death outside of the Theesin Building, a
• 1:43:14
  mere three blocks away from his mother's house. To add another layer of mystique,
• 1:43:19
  his mother, Mary kill Him, professed ignorance about her son owning a
• 1:43:25
  car, suggesting a sinister plot to mask his murder as an accident. The
• 1:43:31
  official investigation report, pinned by a rookie cop sn Buck Reeves, merely labeled
• 1:43:38
  to death as a probable suicide. The Linen Department store's plate glass window was
• 1:43:44
  shattered and bloodstains lay approximately four feet inside the store, leading Reeves to coence
• 1:43:53
  to conclude that kill Him had taken a deadly leap. Today, we are
• 1:43:59
  still left with the enduring question surrounding the man who may have dared to know
• 1:44:02
  too much, and with it, the story of Hank kill Him, forever
• 1:44:06
  shrouded in mystery, continues to cast a long and eerie shadow over Pensacola's history.
• 1:44:14
  And I believe if Joe, if you go to YouTube and you search
• 1:44:17
  for Hank Killim and Pensacola, you'll come up with a four or five minute
• 1:44:25
  news broadcast from last year where they talked to the guy that wrote this article,
• 1:44:30
  and in I forget what restaurant it's called in Pensacola. I guess it's
• 1:44:36
  like they have a big section all about Hank killim and his story ends painted
• 1:44:42
  on the wall inside of this restaurant. So very cool for Pensacola history.
• 1:44:51
  What does it all mean? Again? I feel like we do this at
• 1:44:58
  the end of every show Joe, where we find out all this crazy information,
• 1:45:02
  but you don't know what to believe or who to believe, or what's
• 1:45:05
  going on? Is the guy crazy? Is he seeing shit? Are they
• 1:45:11
  dosing him? Or you know, did somebody really call the house, get
• 1:45:15
  him out of bed and he get in a car with somebody and leave.
• 1:45:18
  You know, that would indicate that he didn't kill himself. And if somebody
• 1:45:24
  killed him, why would they want to kill him? Did he really know
• 1:45:26
  more than he said he knew? Was he really involved? And you know
• 1:45:30
  all this going on and Beckley Street and Ruby and Oswald? I mean who
• 1:45:41
  knows? Yeah? And I think I mean listen, like, who is
• 1:45:45
  this John Carter fella? It sounds like, you know, a legit lame
• 1:45:51
  Cia alias bro you know what I mean? It does it does? You
• 1:45:58
  know? But we we discovered documents, you know, I think the earliest
• 1:46:02
  was of December sixty three and through the HCA and and they were really looking
• 1:46:10
  into it in the ARB. So like it's not out of nowhere, right.
• 1:46:15
  It might be maybe obscure type of name to a lot of people out
• 1:46:20
  there, but it's not. It's not like not verified, right, it's
• 1:46:29
  it's actually a name that has come up through the documents. And I yeah,
• 1:46:33
  he's one of the first suspicious deaths, you know that, Like you
• 1:46:36
  know, Pam Jones was always pushing and you know, of course, you
• 1:46:43
  know when people realize what the story was behind the story a couple of years
• 1:46:46
  later, that's when it really became interesting, when all these connections came out.
• 1:46:53
  You know. Of course, during the Garrison investigation, they were they
• 1:46:55
  were really wondering, you know, is this is this John Carter? Is
• 1:47:00
  that same John Carter from Dallas? You know? And whatever happened to that
• 1:47:04
  John Carter from Dallas. I tried to see if the HSCA ever tracked him
• 1:47:10
  down and talked to him, but I couldn't find anything. I don't think
• 1:47:14
  they did. But uh, I mean to bring us back to our last
• 1:47:17
  episode about the Clinton witnesses, right, they tried to discredit them at any
• 1:47:25
  point they could, right, So in a Oswalt and Ruby connection, we
• 1:47:32
  know that they weren't definitely in the point of even December, right, even
• 1:47:39
  a couple of weeks or a month after the assassination and a couple of months
• 1:47:42
  after leading up to the Warrant Commissions first testimony, they didn't want anything to
• 1:47:46
  do with any connection between Oswalt and Ruby. So and it was looked into
• 1:47:57
  pretty significantly with other you know, the HCA and the ARB. Like.
• 1:48:04
  It's not something that was just you know, like Perry Russel or something,
• 1:48:11
  right, it was looked into seriously. So I think we have to consider
• 1:48:15
  it. It might be a rather unfamiliar name to maybe some of our listeners,
• 1:48:24
  maybe most of our listeners. I don't know, but before this week
• 1:48:29
  I was an expert on this, and that's why we do this, to
• 1:48:32
  go through it and to debate it and to hopefully gain some Contexter. Yeah,
• 1:48:40
  some interesting stories for sure, And for those of you who are interested
• 1:48:44
  in learning more about that bunch that was living at the Beckley street address.
• 1:48:49
  I urge you all to go back and listen to the interview I did with
• 1:48:51
  Ed LaDue called The Beckley Bunch amazing, and we break down everybody that was
• 1:48:59
  living in that rooming house, like what was it Floyd de Graff and Red
• 1:49:05
  who was mistaken for Oswald drinking across the street at the gas station, and
• 1:49:12
  then and there was another person that was named Lee. What was it?
• 1:49:17
  I wasn't that was the name. I can't remember what that was. I
• 1:49:21
  know what you're talking about. It makes sense. Yeah, but yeah,
• 1:49:28
  there was a lot of fukery going on on Beckley and I highly recommend going
• 1:49:32
  back and finding that episode The Beckley Bunch and listening to it. It was
• 1:49:38
  awesome and we'll give you a lot more insight. Yeah, yeap, love
• 1:49:45
  ed to do. We have to get him back on the show and hear
• 1:49:54
  what he has been up to recently. That would be a cool thing.
• 1:50:00
  That would be I've ever talked to him. No you haven't, Joe,
• 1:50:06
  but hopefully you will in the future if you let us. We have what
• 1:50:13
  There's a lot of things you need to be diverginized on when it comes to
• 1:50:17
  this show and have your proverbial cherry popped. I think it's popped. I
• 1:50:24
  think it's popped. Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah. We've talked to
• 1:50:28
  some great guests already since you've been here, but there's many more out there
• 1:50:31
  to have ye and hopefully we'll have someone to show coming up very soon.
• 1:50:39
  Ye for everyone, but a couple, a couple no more, uh information
• 1:50:46
  on that, but a couple, a couple of you, a couple of
• 1:50:54
  But anyway, that's it for us this week. Follow us on our social
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• 1:51:12
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• 1:53:00
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• 1:53:04
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