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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles Off-Line 100226 - Brent Winters, the Friday Roundtable: Trust Law, Jury Power, and America’s Legal Identity · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

• 0:01
  Unknown: Friday.
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  The,
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  oh, the second day of the devil's
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  month is with us.
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  It's a little cool
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  in Ecuador this morning. Have long long sleeve pants and
• 0:18
  considering
• 0:19
  going getting some sort of long sleeve shirt. Maybe it'll warm up a little bit as the day gets, going,
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  and the sun has its effects
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  felt,
• 0:29
  but a lot of clouds. So, anyway, we've had a cold the last couple of days. I'm...
• 0:34
  We're at the October 1. It's kinda like a seasonal changing thing, and supposedly,
• 0:40
  will go into a little bit of rainy season.
• 0:44
  I wanna say rainy season. It's not like monsoon.
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  It just... They state... Rain is spitting. It's like you were little
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  small. No. Sometimes it gets worse and heavier, but most of the time it's
• 0:59
  spitting.
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  But you have to take some moisture to make everything green
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  and the stuff grow like it does here all year.
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  So good morning. It's Friday edition. Of course, we got Brent, I hope, coming in.
• 1:16
  Of course, we we used to communicate all the time, you know, good morning. I... You know, it's all bad back and forth. Well, then Microsoft
• 1:24
  did their thing with Skype, and we've just never reestablished
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  another outlet. He and
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  he and Francine,
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  and they use a different one, and
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  I'm not familiar with it. Anyway, so, that's where we are. He'll show up here, I'm pretty sure, because we didn't hear otherwise.
• 1:42
  I guess y'all can hear me this morning, can't you?
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  I would say I didn't have any kind of response from anybody. You got a
• 1:50
  sound of that rock hitting the bottom of the well for me.
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  And as far as I know, we're just talking into space to... Talking to little dots.
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  These little dots on a
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  on a window. Can anybody say good morning?
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You. There's a good morning. M's b Brent.
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  Yes.
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  Thank you.
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  Hey, boy. That was Brent. Right?
• 2:21
  Unknown: Yeah. I thought somebody else out of 20 people would say something, but it's amazing how quiet this crowd is. Boy, tell me. You know, I'm I'm sitting here trying to... And nobody answers back.
• 2:34
  Unknown: You say you go, are are we on the air? Am I just running my jaws and all of that
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  thinking that you go through. Morning, Brent. Morning.
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  Unknown: Well,
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  that's wisdom to keep your mouth shut and not say anything. So I'm not complaining. I'm just saying I...
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  Well, I'm... Maybe that's the kind of crowd we
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  crowd we draw,
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  Unknown: and that's a wise bunny. Well, it's morning. They never know who's just getting up, who's taking a potty break, or or whatever the case may be. Mhmm.
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  Just roll into it and usually if I can just get one amen.
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  You'll appreciate that. If I can just get one amen back, I know I'm... I got an audience. You know? But sometimes, Brent, as you heard right there, they just don't say anything.
• 3:20
  Oh. And it's like, well, are we on the air? Let me go back and check my mic and, you know, all that
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  rigamarole.
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  Well, today.
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  Unknown: Oh, yeah. Well, I'm looking here, Roger.
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  I assume if a fellow puts his handle on
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  on the,
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  show here, it's alright if I say, good morning to Sarah or with Roger.
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  Unknown: Yes. It is. Michael, Larry,
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  Unknown: an old journeyman Jack. I don't know who he is. Well, yeah, he just can't help hanging around. Uh-huh. I guess. Joan
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  Unknown: and He's with all those Israeli firsters so much, and he's gotta come over here and get some truth, I guess. I don't know. Oh, okay.
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  Joan. How do you... How do the boys over there like their Jew president, Jack?
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  They must like it a lot.
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  Yeah. Uh-huh.
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  I... How about Israel merging with The US in intelligence and military?
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  Do they like that too?
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  Unknown: Now, Roger,
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  I see what you're cocked and loaded for here,
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  and I think that's good that you're cocked and loaded, of course. But let me let me finish talking and mention these people's names. Yeah. Go ahead, Brian. I'm sorry. That's
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  alright.
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  Gary.
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  Good morning, Gary. Dave from
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  Virginia.
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  I'm teaching I'm teaching a class...
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  Or sheriff Darleaf and I are doing it. Declaration
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  and
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  pointing out that
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  Virginia was used to be... It was the biggest colony in... Of the 13. It was huge. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because it went all the way out into no man's land. Right? And and up into Canada. Oh, wow. It's massive. And where I'm from,
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  the the land was taken back
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  by a commission from Patrick Henry, who was governor of Virginia at that time.
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  He commissioned a fellow named George Rogers Clark to come into our neck of the woods and run the British out. And he did.
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  Out of his colony, out of their colony.
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  And that was a... At Kaskaskia,
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  Illinois
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  on the Mississippi River in Vincennes,
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  Indiana. Let me get back to this. So there's Carol,
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  Boone, and then Bob, and I'm assuming that's Bob
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  from down in Florida.
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  Unknown: Well, I hope so. Yeah. Anonymous.
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  Unknown: Andy 72.
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  And we're Williamstown,
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  New Jersey, and Doug, of course, he's here. Doug.
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  Yeah. Doug, I think he's down in Arkansas.
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  Then You got Mike to claim it, but he is. Go ahead. Yeah. He's he's a he's a New Yorker, isn't he? I think. Massachusetts and Oh. Always say that. Well, my apology because,
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  you know, people in California
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  Unknown: Wacko state.
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  Unknown: Well,
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  yeah. It all seems the same to me. It's just the whole coast over there. So I get them mixed up. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Then on the wireless callers here, I don't know who that is. Don't know that either. EasyNet
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  and
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  b I
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  h o l d.
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  Behold.
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  Friederai.
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  Friederai.
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  Okay. Byhold Friederai.
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  Mhmm. Warren.
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  Well
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  got it. This
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  Unknown: week that just came on. She's a refugee from David Lester Strait.
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  Mhmm. And we've been taking a lot of kid glove
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  time with her for the last two shows to go over and instill, hopefully, some very solid basics.
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  Mhmm. And
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  because those people... You know, I don't know if you ever heard before he died.
• 7:01
  Mister Strait was going around the country and telling people that law stood for land, air, and water. I don't know if you heard that or not. I had heard that. Yeah. One of reaches. You know? So trying to get all that straightened out with her name is Sandy, and she's down in Myrtle Beach. And I told her she's not familiar with Brent Winters at all. I wanna go, where you been? In a cave, girl? I mean, this guy's a national treasure.
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  And so I was, you're
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  going over your virtues yesterday with her a bit. And, so I hope she's there today because she's not familiar with her at all. I said, just strap yourself in.
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  Unknown: And Well, Roger, I need to
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  quote you on that. I mean,
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  I appreciate it. It's a...
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  I I I can put it on the website.
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  I don't wanna quote myself. Blah blah blah. Yeah. I've been... When you do it, then you say, oh, he's a national treasurer. Well, I ought to put that over on the website and then put
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  Unknown: Rent that. There... Nobody else out there in the whole country like you to my knowledge. And, of course, the audience probably knows this. Sandy wouldn't if she's with us. But,
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  originally,
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  when I found out about you... I was thinking about this last night.
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  When I found out about you because of our mutual friend, Larry B. Craft, had you on his program one time when I was over at the Micro Effect, and he said in his email that he'd send us an alert. I got this expert on the common law tomorrow, Brent Winthers.
• 8:30
  Well, I knew we were moving over and had a lot to deal with that, and then very few people know much about it. And, you and my now deceased teacher, John Benson, and my thought originally was to set up a show over there and have Brent and John
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  have a program on the common law. But John was sick and never happened, and he passed. So Brent and I set up a show, and there was instant chemistry
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  from the start. Here we are all these years later. So I missed very few shows.
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  Unknown: Well, Roger, I'm gonna refresh your memory. I've heard you say that... Well, you had heard you say that,
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  oh, I I never got on with
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  mister Benson, but I did it once. I did. Oh, did you? Yeah. And it was with you, and you don't remember it because No. I don't.
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  He was he was pretty... Well, he died shortly after that. He was Yeah. He was not well.
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  But we got on together, he didn't say much.
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  Unknown: That's him. But, we talked a little bit, and then that's the last time I talked to him. He was a, really unique man. I was telling the audience, you know, Glenn and I did a memorial commemoration
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  show after he passed.
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  Passed, we think, intentionally on July 4 because he knew the background of that day. And...
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  But in that show, Glenn says... Of course, Glenn spent a lot more time with him than I did.
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  And...
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  But Glenn said, I never heard him raise his voice one time, and it hit me, man. I had never either.
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  I can't... I don't know of a single man I can think of that the whole time you ever knew him, you never raised his voice. Mhmm. Mhmm. Well, that's a... That's quite an attribute right there. No. It is. I agree. And some men made that way. I've known I've known a few. I have to give them credit. Of course, I noticed it because
• 10:22
  Unknown: I'm not always that way.
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  And
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  I can say, you know,
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  Roger, last time we were on,
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  I talked about
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  I talked about... Said, well, let's talk about
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  Johnny Bob Harrell and...
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  I forget who else it was. There were three... Oh, Pete Peters, Johnny Bob Harrell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there was another fellow that I mentioned.
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  I don't remember who it was now. I said, why don't we talk about them a little bit? And I... It was Brent? Yeah. Go ahead.
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  Unknown: Yeah. This is Larry. Before you talk about them,
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  I do have a question, so whenever you're ready.
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  Unknown: Larry.
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  Larry, are you are you on a UPS? No. A FedEx truck or something? What do you do?
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  Unknown: Yeah. I drive for FedEx freight. We we handle the larger
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  palletized
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  shipments.
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  Unknown: Oh. Are you are you are you... Or are you as your route? And it's in California,
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  isn't it? No. Jacksonville,
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  Unknown: Florida.
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  Oh, I see. Yep. Well Been here
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  twenty...
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  Let's see. '24...
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  Let's see.
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  '22, '23, '24, '25. I worked for them for twenty six years. Well, Larry, because you're on here so much,
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  Unknown: and I'm... I apologize not putting you in the right place. Maybe I didn't know, but you've
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  been... You... Did you grow up in
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  Florida?
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  Unknown: Northeast Pennsylvania,
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  Wilkes Barre, Scranton area.
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  Unknown: Oh, and I remember you saying that.
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  And
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  and you have some kind of... Oh, yeah. You're the... You're not a you're not a hardcore
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  Unknown: king jamer king jamer, but you're kind of a king jamer, aren't you? I I like the king James, but I do understand there's translation errors in it because no translation is gonna be perfect because men translate the scriptures
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  and men are not perfect.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. That's the understatement of the century. Yeah. So
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  so... Yeah. Because you'd mentioned...
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  Unknown: Can I ask you to get a little feedback? Is somebody got a mute open besides just Brent and Larry and me?
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  Unknown: It's coming through I'll mute for a second to see if it stops it. Okay. Thank you. Let's see if we... Because that's irritating.
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  Unknown: Okay. It it stopped it. Okay. Must be coming from Larry in his configuration somehow. Go ahead, Larry. So, Larry, you have a Yeah. Are you married? I'll put my engine off. Maybe that was the problem. Are you married, Larry?
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  Unknown: Yes.
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  Do you have family?
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  Unknown: I do. I have four children or three three three children.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  And any grandchildren? They're older.
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  What's that? Any grandchildren
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  yet?
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  Unknown: No. No grandchildren.
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  Well... I have
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  three children. They're all boys.
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  And
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  one's 25, one is 22,
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  and the other is 17.
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  And they
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  have special needs. So my oldest
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  my oldest in 2016 almost died from a
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  from a brain aneurysm rupture.
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  And
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  he was in the shower,
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  and it it ruptured.
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  And he... We we took him to the hospital because he complained.
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  He was in the shower,
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  and my wife and I were just sitting on our bed talking.
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  And he was using our shower.
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  Mhmm. And all of sudden, he started yelling
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  like he had a terrible headache.
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  Yeah. And
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  and so he come out of the shower and he fell on our bed.
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  And we're like, what's wrong? He says, this headache is just unbearable.
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  Mhmm. Please call 911.
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  And I think...
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  And so
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  that was ten years ago. So he was about, like,
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  15. Yeah. He was 15 when this happened. Mhmm. So my wife took him down to the hospital,
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  and for several hours, they were doing tests.
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  And they they found out that behind his right eye
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  that there is a there is a brain aneurysm that ruptured.
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  And Mhmm.
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  He was in the hospital for two weeks. He completely recovered from it. Wow. And and so
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  about three months later, he was at home
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  and my wife... It was one of these days. He goes to a... He was going to a Christian school
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  Mhmm. At the time and it was one of these days where you had a half day. So he was at home playing a video game on my computer.
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  Mhmm. And my wife and my middle son went out to Walmart to get some lunch.
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  And
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  while my wife was in Walmart, it's really hard to get reception in there.
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  And, so she saw a call came in from my son,
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  but she figured she's gonna be home in about another fifteen, twenty minutes, and
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  and, so she'll just deal with with whatever he was asking for when she gets home.
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  So anyway, she gets home,
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  and they started calling for my my oldest son, and, his name is Larson.
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  And, he's named after me. My my name is Lawrence.
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  And, and so because
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  there are so many Lawrence's in my family, my dad, when he was alive, I'm named after him. We
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  decided to give my son a nickname,
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  know, Larson, short for the son of Larry.
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  Mhmm.
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  Because if we went up to visit, you know, if someone yelled out the name Larry, we'd have three people answering, you know? Yeah. So
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  anyway,
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  they were calling out his name, Larson, and he wasn't answering.
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  And my middle son found him in our bedroom
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  lying on his back covered in vomit,
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  and and he wasn't responsive.
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  So they immediately called the paramedics.
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  And
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  they rushed him to the hospital.
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  And what saved his life was because of that first brain aneurysm rupture, he
• 16:21
  had a world renowned surgeon, Hanel, Doctor. Hanel.
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  He travels all over the world. He gives seminars. I mean, guy is brilliant.
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  And
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  so they rushed him to the hospital, and what saved his life was
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  doctor Hanel was all prepped with his team
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  to do a routine check
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  on someone as far as what something in with their brain or whatever. They're just doing a routine check, and they just put the lady into the into the room.
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  I think it was a lady.
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  And they're getting ready to, you know, start whatever
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  procedure on her. And then in comes my son
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  on a carriage
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  in an emergency situation,
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  and and they were all startled like, oh my gosh, that's Larson.
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  And they quickly were brought up to speed like what was going on.
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  And so they just put the lady aside and they began to work on my son
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  and they determined that the
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  original
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  brain aneurysm
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  rupture
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  that they were able to repair
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  with a...
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  It's called like
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  this...
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  Like a bird's nest is the layman's term. But how they repaired it was
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  they went up through his abdomen, through an artery
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  with,
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  with a camera and whatever
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  whatever other device that feeds this...
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  These strands of... I think it's titanium
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  strands that are thinner than than the human hair.
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  And they wound it up in there to create a blood clot.
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  And so he was able to get by three months
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  in that condition.
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  But unbeknownst to all of us,
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  another another
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  aneurysm
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  grew
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  out of the root of that, like out of the scarring of that, And it was a really big one, and that just exploded in his head, filled his head with blood. Oh my god. And
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  and so that's what caused him to...
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  Unknown: Let me just... Scream and have the headache.
• 18:34
  Mhmm.
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  Unknown: Yeah. So that's what caused him to to pass out. And Mhmm. When they rolled him into the Operating
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  Room there
• 18:42
  Mhmm. He was already... I think there's, like, five stages of of being in a in a coma, and and the last stage is is death, of course. And he was in that last stage right before death.
• 18:55
  And and so they had to actually go in there and open up his head this time,
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  and the only way to repair it was to put clamps on his... On that artery behind... It took two clamps
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  behind that eye,
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  to to to shut it down, the the flow of blood. Mhmm. And, to relieve the pressure in his head, they had to drill a hole in his head
• 19:17
  and and, put a tube in there. And then,
• 19:21
  they... They're even talking about,
• 19:24
  taking a piece of his skull off, like about a week in... Week into this process,
• 19:29
  maybe a couple of weeks in, they started talking about removing his skull and then preserving it
• 19:35
  and, to relieve the swelling of the brain. But thankfully, we didn't have to go that far. I've read horror stories where sometimes
• 19:43
  people had that done and they didn't preserve the skull
• 19:48
  properly,
• 19:49
  and then they had to have a titanium implant. They always felt like their
• 19:54
  life wasn't the same. Like, it felt like
• 19:58
  their their personality would change a little bit, and Mhmm. They they were, like, a little out of it, you know, because they didn't have their original body part connected to them.
• 20:07
  And so anyway, thankfully, we didn't have to do that. And then...
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  So anyway, they...
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  He he got through all that. In the process, he he had a stroke, and that's what really caused all the problems because he he he
• 20:22
  has, like, a he
• 20:24
  has, like, a weakness on his left side. You know? Because this rupture is on the right side of his brain. You know how your brain... Everything controls the opposite side of your body. Mhmm.
• 20:34
  So he's got a limp in his in his walk and his... He's doesn't have... He only has, like, very limited use of his left arm and hands Mhmm. Because it's kinda like...
• 20:45
  It's kinda,
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  you know, I don't... Like, if you're, like... If you lose use of something, it's it's kinda curved. Like, his fingers are curved and Mhmm. You know what I mean? Like a hook. Mhmm. He's got very limited use. And then, of course, he was so intelligent
• 21:03
  before all this, and, you know, it just took a toll on his mind. He lost all of his... He lost a good portion of his short term memory.
• 21:12
  Mhmm. And
• 21:13
  he's remember... He remembers long term things, but Mhmm. You know, he got through all that, and then
• 21:20
  he he had a really good personality.
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  He he eventually healed,
• 21:25
  and he was doing pretty good.
• 21:27
  And then all of a sudden, he went through another situation where
• 21:32
  he he... They they were doing an examination on him and they said that the, blood vessel again is starting to have a weak point. Mhmm. And, and so they're gonna go up there and put a stent in his in his, artery behind his eye.
• 21:46
  And that
• 21:48
  involved going up through the artery in his abdomen to reach that point, and they could actually slide a stent in there to reinforce the wall because they were afraid that there would be another rupture.
• 21:59
  Well,
• 22:00
  in order to do that, he had to go on blood thinners.
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  And so he was on the blood thinners and, you know, he was walking down
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  a school path,
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  like on a field trip,
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  And he tripped because he's got a little bit of a limp in his walk. Mhmm. So he tripped and
• 22:17
  and he hit his head against a branch on a tree. And it wasn't really that hard. It was just like he he recovered from it very quickly, like just a little bump, you know, like if you knock your head on something. Yeah. Well, unbeknownst to us,
• 22:31
  he... We later find... Found out that he has a very
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  a very
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  high sensitivity
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  to blood thinners.
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  So what that thing did is it started a chain reaction
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  in his forehead, the frontal lobe, one of his I forget which side of his frontal lobe which controls
• 22:50
  aggression and everything. And so it started another brain
• 22:54
  bleed.
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  And what it was doing is it was bleeding between the scalp and the skull.
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  And
• 23:01
  then it was dripping into his head a little bit. And so then he had to go in the hospital for another two weeks. And then that changed his personality a second time and made him more aggressive.
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  And and so, you know, it's just been a long journey, that that was years ago. So Oh my god. This poor poor child.
• 23:20
  Unknown: All that's from 15 to 25?
• 23:23
  Unknown: Yeah.
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  And they say that when you have a ruptured brain aneurysm, only fifty percent of the people survive.
• 23:31
  Yeah. And so he's like a three time survivor here, you know? Mhmm.
• 23:37
  Unknown: Larry, Mhmm. God bless you and your wife for dealing with all this. The other two are also special needs?
• 23:43
  Unknown: Yeah. My youngest is... He has Down syndrome, and my middle son,
• 23:48
  very,
• 23:49
  very intelligent. He's high functioning autistic
• 23:52
  and
• 23:53
  he has Asperger's.
• 23:54
  Uh-huh. And I mean, he's able to build computers. Like, that's his thing now.
• 23:59
  Uh-huh. He could take... He he takes after my dad. My dad's my dad got into building computers before he passed away. He Mhmm. He got so tired of, like, what you go through, Roger, you know, with the Microsoft and all this. He... When the when the computers first came out, like, you know, fifteen years ago when he got one Mhmm. While they've been out longer than that, but he started to really get into them, like, fifteen years ago. Uh-huh. He was always on the tech support line and spending hours. He's always having problems.
• 24:28
  And so my dad, just being a very intelligent man, jack of all trades, and master of all of them, like, always did his own work,
• 24:36
  working on cars, electrical,
• 24:38
  plumbing. He taught me everything. I mean, I do all my own work too.
• 24:42
  And, he figured out computers on his own. He was able to take his own computer
• 24:47
  and build it from scratch. He was building them. He'd put all the hardware together, and then he'd drop in an operating system,
• 24:54
  and he would, get the thing running. And then he would... He learned how to get on the dark web and pirate, you know, movies and stuff like that.
• 25:03
  And I mean, it's just incredible what he was able to do. So my middle son's
• 25:07
  able to do all that too. You know? He got an interest in computers,
• 25:12
  and, he could build them from scratch and
• 25:15
  and make them work perfectly. You know? So Larry,
• 25:18
  Unknown: can I ask you a question? Do you do you attribute the three children in these different... Of course, they're affected different ways to vaccinations? Do y'all vacc vaccinate them? Let them vaccinate them when they were real young?
• 25:32
  Unknown: They
• 25:33
  did have vaccinations,
• 25:35
  though. I've heard of, like,
• 25:38
  on... Like, the...
• 25:40
  In the archives
• 25:43
  of Alex Jones,
• 25:45
  he was actually interviewing
• 25:46
  this musician
• 25:48
  that came on his show.
• 25:50
  This was about... This was probably about fifteen years ago. And this musician had twins,
• 25:56
  like two year olds,
• 25:57
  and they were perfectly fine.
• 26:00
  And this was like a... Like an hour interview.
• 26:03
  And the musician
• 26:05
  said that
• 26:07
  the... They... Both his twins had a cocktail
• 26:10
  of vaccinations,
• 26:11
  like everything at once,
• 26:13
  and it caused both of his children to become autistic.
• 26:16
  Uh-huh. And they attribute that all to the vaccinations
• 26:20
  Mhmm. Because there is nothing wrong with them. Of course, the doctors would say, oh, no. That's not what caused it. You know? What
• 26:27
  are the odds that both twins went from being totally typical and, you know, quote unquote normal
• 26:34
  Unknown: to being autistic like that, you know? Well, what about the odds that you should be one in ten thousand
• 26:41
  that had that reaction,
• 26:42
  and now it's one out of thirty?
• 26:45
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Mhmm.
• 26:48
  Unknown: Greg, you get that from ten thousand to thirty? Yeah. That's nuts.
• 26:53
  Unknown: Well, that's proof again
• 26:56
  after listening to you that...
• 26:58
  And I've always said this. I think I'm right, but it seems I am.
• 27:03
  Most everybody
• 27:04
  has a fascinating story.
• 27:06
  Yes. But very few people tell them and you for some reason this morning decided to tell you a bit of your story and I'm glad you did. Thank you, Larry. Yeah, it's instructive to everybody.
• 27:19
  It's humbling
• 27:20
  as it ought to be and
• 27:23
  puts us in realization of our mortality
• 27:26
  Mhmm. And our dependency
• 27:28
  on our maker. And
• 27:30
  Unknown: sometimes if you're focusing on poor little old me, think about what Larry just told us. Good point, Roger.
• 27:37
  Unknown: And the thing is my wife had a my wife had to quit her teaching job at the same school that my children went to, the Christian school. And so that's why I've been working like
• 27:47
  sixty hours a week ever since then, you know, for the last ten years. Mhmm. Working side jobs, working on cars,
• 27:55
  and to support my family.
• 27:57
  And you know, through
• 27:59
  that whole ordeal, was a good number, like five years at least, because he had to go through all kinds of therapy.
• 28:05
  God, I guess. And and, you know,
• 28:08
  I was just constantly getting in my truck
• 28:11
  and just crying over everything, you know. Just... It was just... The stress was so incredible
• 28:17
  to
• 28:18
  still have to go to work and support your family
• 28:21
  and knowing that your wife is at the hospital constantly. And then my mother and father-in-law, thank goodness,
• 28:28
  they live nearby. They were constantly helping us, I mean, the clock Mhmm. Mhmm. For, like, a couple of years to help us maintain our home with our other children and trying to make everything seem fairly normal.
• 28:41
  And, you know, that's just really hard.
• 28:43
  Unknown: Mhmm. So... Yeah. This this manhood thing is a tough deal.
• 28:49
  And
• 28:50
  manning up and doing what you have to do, and nobody... No. Not many people are slapping you on the back and telling you how great you are.
• 28:58
  But I just called doing your duty. Well, Larry, again, thanks.
• 29:02
  And after all that, and I'm glad you did that. That was as important as anything you said, but you said you wanted to throw out a... An idea or... Question.
• 29:11
  Unknown: Larry's always got a question. He's got a very fertile mind. I am. This Larry guy. Go ahead, Larry. Yeah. My question is this, and I'm gonna mute because I gotta make a delivery. Alright.
• 29:22
  Unknown: So you know the fourteenth amendment, the first clause, I'm sure you could quote it verbatim.
• 29:26
  Mhmm. It's... It says, all persons born or naturalized in The United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of The United States and of the state wherein they reside. So here's my question. Because the word and is in because the word and instead of the word are
• 29:44
  is in the first clause of the fourteenth amendment,
• 29:47
  do you believe that this means that the person to whom this clause is applicable
• 29:52
  can make a voluntary choice to be subject to the jurisdiction.
• 29:57
  Now I know you've always said that you believe that that clause was only meant for the free black slaves and their children. So at the time,
• 30:05
  do you believe that that word and
• 30:08
  allowed them to make a voluntary choice to be subject to the jurisdiction?
• 30:14
  Unknown: Roger, you wanna talk?
• 30:17
  Unknown: I... They
• 30:19
  have no ability
• 30:21
  to force jurisdiction
• 30:23
  on someone. It has to be voluntary.
• 30:27
  Either it's voluntary and you're gonna choose, let's just say, which set of laws to live under.
• 30:33
  Then if it's not that, it's tyranny,
• 30:36
  and there's no other options. They're telling you what you are is tyranny
• 30:40
  or putting it in here where they could voice this on everybody.
• 30:45
  But everyone, if you go back and look at those court cases,
• 30:48
  all of them, it was e... It's easy to see that they all attributed that new status to black slaves.
• 30:56
  Now they could because they didn't have a political status. They were things
• 31:02
  they could force that jurisdiction on them,
• 31:05
  but they couldn't on Whitey.
• 31:07
  And right there, develop Jim Crow laws. And I... As I think about this deeper and deeper,
• 31:12
  that's one thing that's not in
• 31:15
  educating folks and talking about it. It's not brought out much that what we're really talking about here is Whitey of Jim Crow.
• 31:23
  So the question is, what happened to Whitey of Jim Crow?
• 31:27
  And that's funny because that's where a point I was at in talking
• 31:31
  and educating Sandy
• 31:33
  about how the... What I see is the most important part of this whole thing
• 31:38
  was they had to get it narrowed
• 31:41
  down to only one
• 31:43
  or they could ask you the leading question. Are you a citizen of The United States? And that's what they did with Plessy and Brown.
• 31:51
  I don't know if I told you this, Brent.
• 31:53
  Just watching Tucker Carlson,
• 31:56
  interview lately
• 31:57
  with Norm Finkelstein.
• 31:59
  I guess you know who he is or or his name.
• 32:03
  Good guy. Okay. Very anti Zionist, all that.
• 32:07
  And,
• 32:08
  just in the middle of the conversation,
• 32:11
  I mean, out of nowhere,
• 32:12
  He goes,
• 32:14
  well, I read supreme court cases too or supreme
• 32:18
  court cases.
• 32:19
  And he says, I think that the reasoning on Plessy versus Ferguson
• 32:24
  was totally correct
• 32:26
  and that all board versus Brown of ed... Brown versus Board of Education did was move something over under administratively.
• 32:34
  Now by golly, that's what happened.
• 32:36
  Okay? And
• 32:38
  so that to me is the crux because up to that point, they had to recognize the other status. No matter how much, it was still there. Now it's gone.
• 32:49
  Mhmm.
• 32:50
  Poof. It's gone.
• 32:52
  So I don't know if that helps,
• 32:54
  Larry, or not. You know, this is pretty in-depth subject. Talk about it.
• 32:58
  Well, hell, we talk about it for years or hours. You know?
• 33:02
  But to me, it seems
• 33:04
  like that conjunctive
• 33:06
  and...
• 33:07
  Well, there's there's Whitey.
• 33:09
  And in fact, along the time when it was fraudulently ratified,
• 33:13
  day before
• 33:14
  they passed where
• 33:17
  people could out from it. I don't remember all the specifics. I've heard about it before,
• 33:22
  But
• 33:23
  I think that the word and instead are is very definitive that it's not obligatory
• 33:29
  and that they weren't being tyrannical.
• 33:31
  They're not doing something they couldn't do. What they're really doing
• 33:35
  was they were curing the deficiency of Dred Scott.
• 33:38
  And they tell you that in the slaughterhouse cases that all this is brought about by the famous, infamous
• 33:45
  Dred Scott decision
• 33:47
  that a man of African consent,
• 33:50
  descent was not only not able to, but could not
• 33:54
  be able to with anything become a citizen, anything short of an amendment to the constitution.
• 34:01
  So that's part of all this too and a big part, by the way. And it goes on to say in that court case there in the middle of the slaughterhouse cases
• 34:10
  that it was very common knowledge
• 34:13
  in DC
• 34:15
  and a lot of conversation in the news papers, political journals, and political circles.
• 34:21
  Was a man who was born in DC or the territories
• 34:26
  eligible
• 34:27
  to be a citizen of The United States or was this for blacks?
• 34:31
  And see, there's... Again,
• 34:33
  there's your your your white
• 34:35
  people from a state that were state citizens
• 34:38
  that somehow lived in this DC area,
• 34:41
  which took all the the things like navies and ambassadors
• 34:45
  and common things that all those states couldn't do individually
• 34:50
  and would handle them. Well, they may have been state citizens or whatever state. They're just working in DC.
• 34:57
  But who...
• 34:58
  What about the ones... They couldn't all been that. What about the ones that were... Had been there for maybe a generation or two, territories,
• 35:06
  DC,
• 35:07
  and they weren't state citizens?
• 35:09
  See, those people were stateless.
• 35:13
  From what I can reason out, Brent, the people that were there that weren't black and weren't state citizens were stateless, but they were in that area.
• 35:23
  Yeah. And I've never heard anybody get into any depth on this stuff other than me thinking this thing through these layers.
• 35:32
  So it just did that that there were people there that were affected by it that were not black.
• 35:38
  Hey, Rogers. William. Yeah. Hey, William.
• 35:42
  Unknown: So I was reading Justice Story's commentaries on the constitution.
• 35:46
  Yeah. And he kinda goes into this a little bit in there. And he says, you know, if you if you reside in a state
• 35:55
  or if there's residents in the state,
• 35:57
  then you become a citizen of that state.
• 36:00
  And then if you move to another state,
• 36:03
  does your citizenship change?
• 36:05
  And it's like, well, if there's sufficient residents,
• 36:09
  in the new state, then then, yes, your citizenship would change to that new state. Oh, okay. Very interesting.
• 36:16
  Unknown: Is this stories commentaries
• 36:18
  on the constitution you're reading from? That... That's right. Yeah. Okay.
• 36:22
  And now it says in there, because there was a sentence that we dwelled on, and there's some... A sentence in there. It says a state citizen is ipso facto a citizen of The United States. Ipso facto is around. Okay. Right around where you're about that. Well, let's just bring a point. This is in the early eighteen hundreds. There wasn't a secondary citizenship.
• 36:43
  My point being that everyone used this abbreviated
• 36:47
  term United States, and it didn't have the significance that it did after the fourteenth amendment.
• 36:54
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, nothing. Nothing that Go
• 36:57
  ahead.
• 36:58
  Unknown: And the residence was... It was geographical then because there was only one
• 37:03
  citizenship.
• 37:04
  But when you bring in multiple citizenships,
• 37:08
  far as, you know,
• 37:10
  know, the citizenship for blacks and the citizenship for whites, because Webster's 1828
• 37:14
  said that
• 37:16
  the nation was a race. And so basically, they created...
• 37:20
  They brought in the international law definition for residency
• 37:24
  Unknown: at that point. Because
• 37:28
  Unknown: now working
• 37:30
  between two nations,
• 37:31
  two different races.
• 37:33
  Mhmm. And that's in... That's international law.
• 37:37
  Unknown: Know, by the time by the time... Of course, that's just all people's ideas of what ought to be and what hadn't ought to be, and that didn't mean any of it's true. I don't care where the supreme court stuff or president and or the commentators,
• 37:51
  and we quote all these authoritative
• 37:53
  whatevers. And, I mean, there's nothing more more badly drafted hardly than the fourteenth amendment. What does it mean? People still don't know. And
• 38:03
  when I was
• 38:04
  Unknown: out
• 38:05
  Especially the supreme court.
• 38:07
  Unknown: Yeah. They
• 38:09
  don't they don't even know what a man or a woman is. What are supposed to do with somebody like that? They're gonna tell The woman that wrote the opinion that certified
• 38:17
  Unknown: birth and extended birthright citizenship
• 38:20
  could not answer the question what is a woman in the senate. Wouldn't... I'd say she can't. She wouldn't.
• 38:27
  Unknown: Well, but for... Yeah. But for whatever reason, if she knew there was a difference, she wouldn't be where she was. Well, she went into the bathroom,
• 38:35
  Unknown: knew which... Where there's a difference.
• 38:37
  Unknown: Now she dies. That's the point, I guess. But, anyway, how still a wallet in Japan. You're Japanese.
• 38:45
  When I was out in the gold fields, there
• 38:48
  were graveyards and a lot of them were old, and they're out in the middle of nowhere.
• 38:53
  Used to be 10,000 people live there, now nobody lives there. One of the... There's a lot of places like that out in
• 38:59
  arid parts of the country, and...
• 39:02
  But in most all those places there were graveyards and
• 39:06
  they were...
• 39:07
  Graves would have rocks piled up, you could tell where the grave was, and usually they'd have a
• 39:13
  wooden
• 39:14
  cross that would just cobble together with baling wire or something. And then... But they'd have a name somewhere on it.
• 39:21
  Oh, but usually there'd be a graveyard for white folk,
• 39:25
  a graveyard for Mexicans,
• 39:28
  and a graveyard for Chinamen.
• 39:30
  That's what they have. Now, if anybody objects to the use of the word Mexican, that's just that's just silly. I mean, there are people that are from Mexico or their families are, and that's...
• 39:43
  I don't know how else to say it. They're different graveyards. You've got to make a distinction.
• 39:47
  And they didn't look at the...
• 39:49
  In the gold mines out West, Arizona, Nevada, California,
• 39:54
  the
• 39:55
  the Chinaman and the
• 39:58
  Mexicans
• 39:59
  were
• 40:01
  different,
• 40:02
  and they were considered... They were not considered to be Americans.
• 40:06
  Although
• 40:07
  that's the way they use the word. That didn't mean that the Mexicans weren't Americans because they sure were and their ancestors have been here a lot longer,
• 40:15
  but most of them are Mesnizos.
• 40:18
  Men will hear a lot longer than our ancestors
• 40:20
  if we're... That is if I'm talking to white people. There are people who listen to this. And the only reason I say I'm probably white, because I look at myself and I look like it. Other than that, I have no way of proving it genologically.
• 40:32
  I mean, I... I've known some of my ancestors. They look pretty white too, you know. But who knows. But the point I'm making is
• 40:40
  people will distinguish according to color, and birds of a feather flock together, and cattle of a color herd together,
• 40:47
  and goats of a color herd together. I can testify to that.
• 40:51
  So when it comes to the fourteenth amendment,
• 40:54
  whatever
• 40:55
  you think it ought to mean is probably what it ought to mean, but don't think you're gonna get somebody else to go along with you. That ain't gonna happen.
• 41:03
  But nobody nobody questioned what
• 41:06
  an American was
• 41:08
  until that time. And even after that time, I read a piece, somebody's gonna say something, I'll quit. Yeah, Mr. Rick is. Go ahead. Rick, I'll be down Rick, just a second. I read a piece. Will Rogers used to write a daily column.
• 41:22
  He passed away in 1935.
• 41:25
  I don't know. This is before Internet that I read this.
• 41:28
  But he... And one of his pieces for the newspapers,
• 41:31
  it was nationally
• 41:33
  syndicated,
• 41:35
  he makes an effort to do something that a lot of people at that time were trying to do.
• 41:40
  And he said, we're gonna... Of course, in his home... Homespun
• 41:44
  fashion, he said, we're gonna rope and hog tie this critter,
• 41:48
  this American, and we're gonna examine him and see what he is.
• 41:52
  They were, of course, fighting about what an American is.
• 41:55
  But nobody knew at that time. They still hadn't figured it out. And then you have...
• 42:00
  There used to be a famous radio program. I forget the name of the fellow. He had a... One of the early men, Roger, he had a...
• 42:07
  An old boat... An old small ship off the East Coast Of The United States outside the 12 mile limit, and
• 42:13
  he just said whatever he wanted, you know. And he called the show
• 42:19
  Americanism.
• 42:20
  Unknown: The voice of Americanism. That's what it was. We had one of those off our shore like the Brits did?
• 42:26
  Unknown: Yeah. Uh-huh. Well, that was that was within my lifetime.
• 42:30
  Unknown: Well, they eventually shut him down. Well, we got a guy down here
• 42:34
  who lives up in above us,
• 42:37
  next to the border.
• 42:38
  And he...
• 42:40
  When I first got down here, O'Jack was telling me, he says he's in the Georgia Hall... Broadcasting
• 42:45
  Hall Of Fame. Mhmm.
• 42:47
  And I spent a lot of years in that industry, in that state, and pretty well know most people or have heard of him. Mhmm. But I never heard his name before. Rock and rock rock and rob rob something whatever. Turns out he was one of the guys over there off England.
• 43:03
  When they really
• 43:04
  pioneered that, and England was shutting down the BBC, and they were doing pirate radio. And that's where he had all his background. It's kinda interesting.
• 43:12
  I didn't know there was one of them off of our coast
• 43:16
  that sticks in my mind. I mean, for sure there was. It just. Oh, yeah. He was...
• 43:21
  Unknown: By the way, he was a bible teacher
• 43:24
  and a religious... I call him a religious broadcaster,
• 43:27
  but he was a Presbyterian from
• 43:29
  Princeton Seminary.
• 43:31
  Wow. And I'm
• 43:33
  sorry I don't remember his name. You can look up pretty quick. But Mhmm. My point is we... We're still struggling,
• 43:39
  and our identity has changed in the world's eyes. There was a time that an American was a cowboy all over the world. Yes. And then then that was Still is in some parts of it. Well, might... Yeah. Okay. You're... I'm not a problem other part... Or not in other parts of the world, but I know at one time,
• 43:56
  people perceived all Americans that way. Of course, it wasn't true. They thought all Americans rode horses and were in the movies and wore cowboy boots and all that.
• 44:06
  Unknown: You know what they think now? What? They think all Americans are rich.
• 44:10
  Unknown: Well, they thought that at that time too, honestly.
• 44:13
  Yeah. And we are compared to other people. The people here on welfare
• 44:18
  are the fat people. You know? So what does that tell you?
• 44:21
  We got a lot. We got a lot, and then we pass it around, and the garage
• 44:26
  sales we go to, we can furnish our houses better than anybody around us just going to garage sales and Amen. Buy another... Yeah. Well, that... That's a badge of how well off our society is. Rick, what do you got to say? Hey. He wants to congratulate the Atlanta Braves. I'm sure there's one thing he wants to say. Right, Rick?
• 44:46
  Unknown: Yeah. I watched that. That was pretty good.
• 44:50
  I'm gonna nitpick just a little. Alright? But real quick,
• 44:54
  when the fourteenth amendment was passed,
• 44:57
  first of all, it doesn't mention race. Second,
• 45:00
  at
• 45:02
  that time, I think the Southern states
• 45:05
  were under federal military jurisdiction.
• 45:08
  Now... And also territories
• 45:10
  because they weren't states.
• 45:12
  So does that mean that only the free Northerns... The people of the free Northern states
• 45:17
  were not federal citizens,
• 45:19
  or is that nitpicking too much?
• 45:22
  Unknown: Well, I I wouldn't take that position. And I
• 45:26
  I had never heard that because I didn't think it was viable, but I get you're thinking it through. But isn't it funny? It's mysterious.
• 45:34
  Here we are talking about a...
• 45:36
  It's, arguably, people say it's the constitution of The United States, and an amendment is part of our constitution.
• 45:43
  Yeah.
• 45:45
  And we don't have a clue what it means, but I think it's axiomatic,
• 45:48
  utterly axiomatic,
• 45:50
  even though it doesn't mention race,
• 45:53
  that is clearly
• 45:54
  to
• 45:56
  benefit...
• 45:57
  Well, it didn't benefit them, but that's what they said, the freed slaves. Oh, yeah. It was about slavery,
• 46:04
  Unknown: but it wasn't about freeing blacks. It was about enslaving
• 46:08
  everyone
• 46:09
  because that was an intermediary
• 46:11
  Unknown: step. Yeah. Roger, and I know you say that, and I I don't... I I believe probably that the the devil himself could orchestrate and does orchestrate those kind of things, but I don't think that any mere mortal had a clue about what you're saying about that. I do believe it was for that purpose. Yeah. No. This is Satan and his and his children. You know who introduced the bill? Yeah. It was probably literally the Civil Rights Act of 1866.
• 46:37
  Unknown: The person that introduced it, I can't call his name, but he was a a lawyer for, imagine that, the railroads.
• 46:46
  Mhmm. Okay. So there's your tie. Right.
• 46:49
  But they could... This couldn't have just happened. What's he... What's,
• 46:53
  was Roosevelt saying? If anything in... Happens in politics, it wouldn't by accident.
• 46:58
  Right. You think that all this happened and then a hundred and some odd years later, they control the world through this mechanism
• 47:05
  and that that just happened?
• 47:07
  I'm too... No. Well, if you go back to the meeting here outside of Frankfurt
• 47:13
  in,
• 47:14
  in the spring of seventeen seventy six with
• 47:18
  the three, at least, the bad guys, Weishof,
• 47:21
  a,
• 47:22
  defrocked
• 47:23
  a a defrocked
• 47:25
  Jesuit priest. Now, Brent,
• 47:27
  that begs the question for me.
• 47:30
  What do you... How bad do you have to be to get kicked out of the Jesuits?
• 47:35
  Well, you might... It could be you might have to be good, Roger. No. Well, that wasn't him. Okay. You you tell by his fruits. And,
• 47:43
  of course, then you got Rothschild.
• 47:45
  Mhmm. But the other element is this Sabbatean
• 47:49
  Frankist guy that got retired out of Constantinople
• 47:53
  that half the world's jury followed
• 47:56
  on this opposite world thing and the Messiah will come.
• 47:59
  He was the third party. He had retired up around Frankfurt,
• 48:03
  and I... It was involved with these people in this meeting. So 05/01/1776,
• 48:09
  they call it the great plan, the great work.
• 48:12
  What the hell could that be?
• 48:14
  Well, it can't be anything but taken over the world under their control and what they call this messianic
• 48:20
  age
• 48:21
  where they own everything in the world and that, yeah, including 200 to you.
• 48:27
  And it just seems to me like this is just that step,
• 48:31
  and they got after after Henry Jackson and then after Tyler
• 48:35
  vetoed that the the the other bank right before civil war
• 48:40
  never got brought up again until the Federal Reserve Act in 1913.
• 48:46
  But after that, I think they went back to the drawing board
• 48:50
  and they said, we're gonna do this a whole different way and that was the hazard
• 48:56
  circular.
• 48:57
  You're familiar with that document, right, Brent? The hazard circular?
• 49:00
  No.
• 49:01
  No.
• 49:02
  Uh-uh. You
• 49:04
  go back and look it up. You can drag it up and read it, but it was a a memorandum of sorts that leaked out from the bankers
• 49:11
  and said we're gonna switch this whole thing to a labor oriented
• 49:14
  kind
• 49:16
  of of structure. Didn't say those exact words, but that's what they were saying. And that was right before the eighteen sixties and the civil war. So... And then you never heard anything about it through the gilded age too much and the later part of the eighteen hundreds until they came back and said, okay. We're gonna start it. First thing you do is
• 49:35
  you pass the income tax
• 49:38
  law.
• 49:39
  Mhmm. Because that's the first thing they did.
• 49:41
  And and then
• 49:43
  couple months later,
• 49:46
  they passed again fraudulently
• 49:49
  the seventeenth amendment
• 49:51
  severing the senate and the people's
• 49:53
  representation
• 49:54
  in the senate in DC. This had had incredible consequences.
• 49:59
  By the way, as national,
• 50:01
  it stated that's the only office you can't run for is US senate.
• 50:06
  Interesting.
• 50:08
  And and
• 50:10
  and
• 50:11
  here we are. So
• 50:13
  Unknown: Well, the only question That's my interpretation,
• 50:15
  Unknown: and I've been living with this for thirty five years almost. But the question is, and that's all, you know, history.
• 50:22
  Unknown: The real question is,
• 50:25
  Unknown: what can a fellow do about it? And that's what I wanted to talk about with Johnny Bob Herald. Well, that's the same thing. I I wanna get back to that. Same thing I said. What can we do about this? And here we are. Let's talk about Johnny Bob and pastor Pete and maybe we can generate who that other guy was. Well, Johnny Bob and pastor Pete both had
• 50:44
  Unknown: had this... Well, fundamentally, the same experience. Now, Johnny... I never met pastor Pete, but I knew a lot of people that knew him. And... But Johnny Bob, I got to know a little bit. Johnny Bob was from right close where I'm from,
• 50:58
  and he became a
• 51:00
  national figure
• 51:02
  out of no necessary fault of his own. But what he tried to do was approach, at that day they called it communism.
• 51:09
  And that's just another label. And what it comes down to Yep. Is the law the law of the city. It's the canon civil laws of Rome.
• 51:16
  A famous man, I forget his name, the guy that wrote the book about the creature from Jekyll Island, he calls it G Edward G. Edward Griffin. Yeah. He calls it look at it too.
• 51:26
  Collectivism.
• 51:27
  Well, that's... But that's not fundamentally. That's wrong to say that. Well, you're saying adverse is individualism.
• 51:33
  Yeah. That's using the dialectic there. But go ahead. But that's not that's not the foundation of the problem. That's just hacking around the branches.
• 51:41
  And think about Johnny and Johnny Bob Harrell talking about communism.
• 51:45
  That's just hacking around the branches.
• 51:47
  The Bible presents it, and our common law tradition presents it as a distinction between the law of the land and the law of the city, and that's all there is. There are only two traditions of religion, law, and government in the history of mankind, and there never will be more than two.
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  Everyone and every country is tending either
• 52:05
  toward the one or toward the other, and there's of course things in between that are combinations of the two and variations,
• 52:12
  but there are only two.
• 52:13
  And to say that there are this many...
• 52:16
  That seven or 10 kinds of government that's hogwash,
• 52:20
  it's damnable lies. It's not true. And to talk about it that way, as is taught in the universities,
• 52:26
  is just to distract people into madness confusion. There
• 52:30
  is no confusion. With God, there is no gray area in His mind. The only gray areas exist in our minds, and as we get older, Lord willing, we'll have less and less, and everything will become
• 52:42
  blacker and everything will become whiter, and we'll be able to clearly distinguish. As a matter of fact,
• 52:49
  the Bible points out that intelligence
• 52:51
  is defined as the ability to distinguish
• 52:55
  between right and wrong, male and female,
• 52:58
  up and down,
• 52:59
  in and out, heaven and hell,
• 53:01
  true religion and false religion, there are only two choices. There's not 10 or 20 or 40 or... No, there's just two.
• 53:08
  And once you understand or see and your eyes are open to see the fundamentals of those two, I don't care what label they slap on it, you'll say, oh yeah, that's the same old
• 53:18
  Unknown: trash. And make your decision
• 53:20
  easy when God it's either
• 53:23
  Unknown: did not make life complicated,
• 53:25
  friends. He made it a choice between two things. You know, we even follow this, and it's our policy in America. It's not the policy. It ought to be. Now, this is this is controversial, but it hadn't ought to be. The policy in America is we only... We don't allow... Really don't allow more than two parties.
• 53:42
  And if you're in a third political party that hasn't gained the ascendancy,
• 53:46
  you're gonna have a hard time getting on the ballot, and you'll have a hard time getting enough signatures to get on the ballot. Where we are right now. And our supreme court of the United States has upheld that for a good reason, a very good reason.
• 53:58
  There's only two choices. When we... If you have more than two choices for anything
• 54:02
  Mhmm. You're confused.
• 54:04
  We don't ask the jury anything but to tell us one of two things. Either he's guilty or he's innocent. That's all we want. Don't say nothing else. We're not interested in your reason, your logic. We just want to know the facts of the matter, up or down, in or out. Which is it? And when you go to vote for somebody for president or governor or representative or senator, if you have two choices,
• 54:26
  it's doable.
• 54:27
  If you have more than two, it's not doable,
• 54:30
  and the will of the majority
• 54:32
  isn't even obtainable if you have more than two.
• 54:36
  Now, there are times when you have three, and that allows another party to squeeze in, and that's happened in our history, and our system is designed to do that too.
• 54:46
  If you have a dozen candidates, like down in Australia,
• 54:50
  they'll have 40 or 50 candidates for an office.
• 54:54
  That that makes the whole thing meaningless. And our Supreme Court of the United States has upheld policies
• 55:00
  when they've had to that encourage
• 55:04
  two
• 55:05
  choices, maybe three on a ballot. But democracy,
• 55:11
  for whatever it's worth,
• 55:13
  we start... We jump start our common law government with democracy.
• 55:17
  But we don't wanna take it any further than that. We vote somebody into office, that should be the end of it. The referendum
• 55:24
  isn't part of our common law tradition. That's from the French Revolution.
• 55:28
  It doesn't work anyway. You've seen it happen in California. They do that. It doesn't really it doesn't really bring about the result that we want,
• 55:36
  which is just justice.
• 55:38
  So there's something
• 55:40
  to be said for just understanding fundamentally
• 55:43
  that the only distinction
• 55:45
  that is available
• 55:47
  in religion,
• 55:49
  law, and government is the right choice and the wrong choice.
• 55:52
  The right choice is the law of the land. That's a Christian tradition. That's our common law.
• 55:58
  And the wrong choice is the law of the city.
• 56:01
  The code of Justinian,
• 56:02
  the canon civil laws of Rome, those are some of the names. The code of Bismarck,
• 56:06
  the code of, Napoleon.
• 56:09
  All the com... Communist countries are under some form of that code.
• 56:13
  Unknown: Which Louisiana
• 56:14
  is still under. And Louisiana. They don't have a common law in that state because of that. Just had to add it. But here's... Yeah. But here's what they do have, Roger. Scotland's in the same position. They've never been a common law country.
• 56:27
  Unknown: Well, they've been a common law people, but as a country, when they try to make themselves a country,
• 56:32
  then the law of the city has dominated Scotland
• 56:35
  as has had in Louisiana because of the French influence. And by the way, Roger, both Scotland and Louisiana,
• 56:42
  the reason they're under the law of the city and not the law of the land is because of the French influence. The
• 56:49
  Scots have had an unnatural,
• 56:52
  really
• 56:53
  sickening affinity
• 56:54
  for everything French for hundreds and hundreds of years, and has destroyed them, utterly destroyed them. Well, Louisiana, of course, Louisiana was set
• 57:03
  aside.
• 57:04
  Unknown: All these circumstances.
• 57:06
  Go ahead. Yeah,
• 57:07
  Unknown: Louisiana was settled by the French from Quebec,
• 57:10
  and that's what they wanted, and it all comes out of it, all of it, and this is undeniable.
• 57:16
  All government and law arises out of a religious point of view. In other words, you take who is your lawgiver,
• 57:23
  whoever you choose it to be,
• 57:26
  your final arbiter of right and wrong in individual instances from whose decision there is no appeal.
• 57:33
  Whoever you take for your lawgiver will dictate your law. It's
• 57:37
  going to either be the one true God, the one true lawgiver, the Maker of heaven and earth and all that in them is, or it will be
• 57:45
  some other demon god or thing, or some created thing living or dead, and that's always going to be false law.
• 57:53
  And that's the only choice we have.
• 57:56
  Yeah. Well, Johnny Bob
• 57:58
  was typical American,
• 58:00
  and he was... He passed away here not too many years ago. He passed away at '9...
• 58:06
  2019
• 58:07
  at age 99,
• 58:08
  as a matter of fact.
• 58:10
  And Johnny Bob
• 58:12
  born there,
• 58:13
  just had Midwest
• 58:15
  beginnings.
• 58:16
  Nothing fancy and an unknown place where there weren't many people
• 58:21
  out in the Wabash Valley
• 58:23
  along the what was called the Little Little Wabash River as a matter of fact.
• 58:29
  And
• 58:30
  he
• 58:31
  came of age during the war, and he went off the war, and he was trained to fly
• 58:36
  a bomber, and he went to the
• 58:39
  South Pacific, and he served
• 58:41
  honorably and came home,
• 58:43
  and he got caught up in the communist scare.
• 58:47
  And he saw that things weren't right.
• 58:50
  And Everett Dirksen, Eve Dirksen was
• 58:54
  US senator and he was famous for... Illinois, right? Yeah. He... Yeah. Ed Dirksen. He was a leader of the US senate, a minority leader for years,
• 59:03
  decades. And he said after the war,
• 59:07
  and they
• 59:08
  thought Johnny Bob been to running for US senate because Johnny Bob was a
• 59:13
  a rich man. He became a rich man through
• 59:16
  oil,
• 59:17
  drilling oil on his land and having some other businesses.
• 59:21
  And so he ran. And while he was running, he was young, you know, he could have stayed in the Senate a long time. He criticized
• 59:28
  John Kennedy, Jack Kennedy,
• 59:31
  and he did what Harry Truman said, the same thing Harry Truman said. It's not right that
• 59:36
  a man can
• 59:38
  buy, by billions of dollars be today,
• 59:41
  buy his son's position into the presidency of The United States. That's wrong.
• 59:46
  And he bought the convention.
• 59:48
  Harry Truman was a delegate. He said, I'm not going to attend the convention. I'm quitting.
• 59:52
  Because
• 59:53
  decision
• 59:54
  has been made on the basis of old man Kennedy's money, and I'm not gonna participate.
• 59:59
  Well, Johnny Bob criticized
• 1:00:01
  him when he was running for US Senate, said it's wrong that a daddy's boy like that, a rich boy, just be put into office because his daddy
• 1:00:09
  stole money from the US government while his ambassador by the millions, by the way, his ambassador to Britain,
• 1:00:16
  England.
• 1:00:17
  They were at Britain at that time. And then he also
• 1:00:20
  Until
• 1:00:20
  bootleggers
• 1:00:21
  that had everything lined up and new prohibition was coming, and he milked that for millions. What's that, Roger? Until
• 1:00:29
  Unknown: he was asked the question about Germany
• 1:00:32
  and the Jews and said, I think they deserve it or they earned it or something.
• 1:00:36
  And they yanked him out of that post so quick you'd make your head spin. Yanked who out? Oh, wow. Kennedy Kennedy has a ambassador.
• 1:00:43
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. But he had he had made a fortune just
• 1:00:47
  skimming money.
• 1:00:49
  He made his first fortune there, and then he made his second fortune
• 1:00:52
  bootlegging. But here's what happened.
• 1:00:56
  He criticized
• 1:00:57
  Johnny Bob, everybody called him at home. Johnny Bob criticized
• 1:01:01
  when he's running for senate
• 1:01:04
  Kennedy
• 1:01:04
  that way, and then he lost the election.
• 1:01:07
  And then he got onto the... Now here's the response that's wrong.
• 1:01:11
  You can respond in outrage,
• 1:01:14
  and you'll probably be wrong if you're responding to the evil empire in outrage. And if you'll notice, I like to watch Alex Jones too. But Alex Jones has made millions and millions of dollars, not against him, understand,
• 1:01:27
  but he's made millions of dollars using political
• 1:01:31
  outrage.
• 1:01:32
  You can get people outraged, they will send you money. I speak from experience.
• 1:01:37
  And what I know about it, I'm just giving my testimony. I'm not saying I know everything about it, but I do know when you're in politics, or when
• 1:01:45
  you run a Christian ministry, I've watched it all my life, you send out letters that get people outraged, and they will send you money. Yeah. They're not asking you to do nothing.
• 1:01:54
  They're just saying, send us money, here's how we get it. And they shake you down, and boy, can they get it. And the rule of thumb is, for every million dollars you spend
• 1:02:03
  trying to raise money with political outrage, you'll get 2,000,000 back, and so you'll make a million dollars. And that's the way they do it. It's that simple. Built the southern poverty law center right there. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's... They're they're talking about outrage as people are abused and other things. But the right does the same thing with political outrage. Alex
• 1:02:24
  Jones does the same thing. Rush Limbaugh did the same thing. It's a... Talk radio is nothing but political outrage. And I've known people that
• 1:02:33
  are addicted
• 1:02:34
  to the feeling of the outrage and do... And never have and won't
• 1:02:38
  do anything.
• 1:02:40
  I can tell you for a fact, not in a small way or a big way.
• 1:02:44
  Now, Joe was on here, maybe he's on there, and he was... We were talking about,
• 1:02:49
  you gotta do something.
• 1:02:51
  Well, you don't gotta do something. You will do something. If you're of God, you will.
• 1:02:56
  He will impel you by the power of his... The force, the impelling force of his spirit to do what he wants you to do. But
• 1:03:04
  outrage is the devil's tool to neutralize a fellow.
• 1:03:07
  I mean, I knew a professor at home, and he was a nice guy. He was a communication professor.
• 1:03:13
  A peach of a guy, and good to me, by the way. He did a lot of things for me.
• 1:03:18
  But at the same time,
• 1:03:20
  he just loved to watch Fox News and he knew all the personalities,
• 1:03:25
  Glenn Beck and everybody, and he was just fascinated with the way they could get people outraged. And it's not motivation. There's a difference between being motivated
• 1:03:34
  to act and being addicted to outrage.
• 1:03:37
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  Unknown: A lot of preachers get into outrage.
• 1:03:41
  Yeah. When the purpose of teaching the Bible is motivation,
• 1:03:45
  the impelling force of the spirit working through what you're teaching
• 1:03:49
  the word of God. That's the difference. There's a big difference.
• 1:03:53
  And
• 1:03:54
  outrage is that people can get outraged and sit around, drink beer, eat peanuts, and watch football,
• 1:03:59
  and continue to be outraged.
• 1:04:01
  That's the Bubba's of this world.
• 1:04:04
  And it doesn't do anybody good, and it wastes your life.
• 1:04:08
  That's what it is.
• 1:04:09
  Unknown: Knowledge of what... Anything like that without action is kinda fruitless except that stuff stirs you up. It keeps you in turmoil.
• 1:04:17
  It's wonderful to have an outlet and the outlet, and that's why I tell our people, the folks come on here.
• 1:04:24
  How can I learn all this this volume of information? I said, just start teaching it. Mhmm. You'll find out real quick what you don't understand
• 1:04:33
  and go back and correct that and then find somebody else to teach it to. That is the best way to learn this information.
• 1:04:39
  It gives you insight you can't get any other way.
• 1:04:43
  And, yeah, you you... If you're new and it's over your head and stuff, it'll be clumsy at first. You just keep doing it. You'll get used to it and learn your mistakes, and then we can act collectively.
• 1:04:55
  K? Mhmm. So that's my goal here is to affect change.
• 1:04:59
  First thing you gotta do if you're gonna build a house is get a solid foundation.
• 1:05:04
  That's what we got. We're working on that still and just waiting for the big guy to open the door if that's gonna happen, hopefully. Mhmm. Mhmm.
• 1:05:12
  Unknown: Well... And if you're outraged, you can't think anything through. But here's another problem. Here's another problem that comes.
• 1:05:19
  And let's take Charlie Kirk.
• 1:05:21
  And I'm not criticizing Charlie because logic is an important tool, and that's what he majored on.
• 1:05:27
  But understand
• 1:05:29
  Unknown: He's probably at it too. His his popularity
• 1:05:32
  Unknown: had had very little to do with doing anything. His popularity had to do with people
• 1:05:37
  that were addicted
• 1:05:39
  to the
• 1:05:40
  vainglory
• 1:05:42
  of appearing to be smart and identifying with a man who values logic. But that doesn't get you anywhere either.
• 1:05:48
  Because logic is a dead end.
• 1:05:51
  It doesn't get you anywhere. What gets you someplace
• 1:05:53
  is action based on fact. Yeah. And if there is no action based on fact, then it has to be personal action. Well, Johnny Bob Harrell
• 1:06:01
  got all caught up in the outrage of he couldn't believe, of course, he'd risk his life and he would decorate it a little bit. And I mean, when he was in the service, a lot of those fellows coming back from the war, then all of a sudden, of course, we were stupid.
• 1:06:14
  America was stupid. You wonder sometimes.
• 1:06:17
  And
• 1:06:18
  of course, knew it. Why support Russia the way we did? And as soon as we got done with the war, then we're at war with them for the next forty, fifty, sixty years or whatever. What was the use of that? Well, Johnny Bob was thinking that way.
• 1:06:32
  And he's... So he started preaching.
• 1:06:35
  And the next thing you know, he's got
• 1:06:38
  cancer. I forget what kind it was.
• 1:06:42
  He ended up
• 1:06:43
  going to Mayo Clinic in early
• 1:06:46
  nineteen sixties, and he was getting ready to go into surgery, and he had a terrible night the night before, and he claimed,
• 1:06:53
  of course, he went in and they scanned him over and found out he didn't have cancer anymore.
• 1:06:58
  And he said God healed him. Well, was an experience, I won't quarrel with his experience.
• 1:07:03
  And he went off preaching even more.
• 1:07:06
  And he had a compound
• 1:07:07
  set up, he had a lot of money, he built a... Not a compound, that's
• 1:07:12
  what the government called it. What it was was it had three strands of barbed wire around it.
• 1:07:17
  You
• 1:07:18
  know, had a... It had a lot of cabins. None of the cabins had any locked doors on them. No locks on the doors. And people would come and stay there, and he would teach, and they'd have seminars, and they would even have
• 1:07:30
  marksmanship
• 1:07:31
  classes and classes on the constitution,
• 1:07:34
  and things that seemed to be important. And
• 1:07:37
  and people would come. Well, there was a kid there who was AWOL from the Marine Corps, and he came there.
• 1:07:43
  And he was staying in one of the cabins. Now, what Johnny Bob... People say Johnny Bob knew it. I don't know that he did or he didn't.
• 1:07:50
  But the Feds wanted to come in and search his property, and he said, you ain't coming in here without a warrant.
• 1:07:56
  And he had criticized Kennedy, and Kennedy was president.
• 1:08:00
  Well, you gotta have a warrant. Well, I don't... There may be a man here, this A wall, but you gotta have a warrant.
• 1:08:07
  And
• 1:08:08
  the short of the long story is
• 1:08:11
  John Kennedy was gonna get him back. That's what politics is all about.
• 1:08:16
  The polis, the law of the city.
• 1:08:19
  So he got about a 100 men together.
• 1:08:22
  Some of them armed with baseball bats for...
• 1:08:24
  They thought there were guard dogs around they were gonna have to kill. I don't know what good a base... Well, baseball bat could help. If a man isn't a good shot with a gun, but I'd use a 12 gauge shotgun, not worry about it, but that's what they did. And then they had, automatic rifles and federal agents and a a US army half track, and they busted through the barbed wire fence there and came on the property.
• 1:08:47
  And his 13 year old son was there, and somebody knocked him in the head with a butt of an m four... M 14 and Oh. Injured him real bad. And they arrested every male. Every male, they arrested everybody. But
• 1:09:00
  out of all of my many couple of dozen people, arrested
• 1:09:03
  standing cabins.
• 1:09:05
  Only Johnny Bob went to trial, and they dismissed charges against everybody else, and they took him to trial for Harboring a fugitive.
• 1:09:14
  And
• 1:09:16
  he was
• 1:09:17
  he was convicted and sent to federal prison for ten years. Now Johnny Bob Johnny Bob took off after they put him on bail.
• 1:09:25
  And then here's a here's a lesson. He went down to Arkansas
• 1:09:29
  and
• 1:09:30
  rented a house
• 1:09:32
  in some little town down there on near Oklahoma border
• 1:09:36
  and stayed there a long time, but never put the window blinds up. And I watched this.
• 1:09:42
  The the postman that walked in that little town and carried the mail heard noises in the house but didn't see anybody. And he got worried that somebody was doing something illegal in there.
• 1:09:54
  And so he alerted the authorities and they came out and arrested Johnny Bob. That's how quick it happened. And of course, a postman is a federal agent. Yes. Has been since the beginning when the post... The the the... All that began during the civil war and the object was to control people, know who was... Who they were communicating with, and and whoever walks the beat in a town knows everybody... Everything about everybody. You know why they started new... Numbers in... Numbers on houses and towns in Europe?
• 1:10:22
  Uh-huh.
• 1:10:23
  Conscription.
• 1:10:24
  Well, same thing here. I get it. Yeah. And the postman... I've known postman. Grew up with...
• 1:10:30
  Couple of fellows came to postman in little town.
• 1:10:33
  They they tell me stories. When the feds wanna know something about somebody, they just ask the postman, will there Yeah. Is there another... The FBI will come. Look for any more cars in the... At the... In that driveway that aren't... You aren't used to. And anything you see or hear
• 1:10:47
  that's unusual, let us know. And, oh, they do it. And they also serve papers, postman used to. That's all government control. But back to Johnny Bob, they arrested him, he didn't resist.
• 1:10:58
  They sent him to prison for ten years.
• 1:11:01
  He got out in five for some reason, I forget what it was, and then he went back to doing what he was doing before.
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  Preaching against communism, holding seminars.
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  None of those things, friends, ever, ever, ever amounts to anything.
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  You know, all these militias, the people get up, all it does is get people thrown in jail. You are the militia.
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  You don't have to go join the militia.
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  The Constitution of The United States
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  holds, and it's a common law doctrine, that's what our constitution is, that if you're a male of age and you're able-bodied to carry a weapon, you are a member of the militia, whether your name's on the roll or not. Don't worry about it.
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  But what we need to worry about
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  is how stupid we are, and all of us are stupid to varying degrees. We need to understand the distinction between the law of the land and the law of the city, our common law and the civil law,
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  due process, the course of our common law, and the civil law, which is outcome
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  oriented.
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  Ours is process oriented.
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  The order's
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  motto is the
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  the ends means, justifies the means.
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  And our Ask the Law of the City, the ends justifies the means. And the law of the land is the means
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  justifies the ends. Due process, the means.
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  All those fundamentals.
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  If you don't have those, you don't have nothing. A critical mass of Americans, not a majority,
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  a critical mass
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  that has in their brain a half a dozen, just about a half a dozen. There are more, but a half a dozen will get you to the others. A half a dozen fundamentals that control everything about life, religion, law, and government.
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  A half a dozen fundamentals.
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  You got those?
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  And you're making the right choice. You're not choosing the law of the city.
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  You'll
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  be a part of the solution
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  and not a part of the problem.
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  Otherwise, I don't care what you do. I don't know how conservative you think you are or Christian. I don't care how outraged you get,
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  if you don't have that, if you are not a hardcore,
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  spirit impelled student
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  of the law or law of the land,
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  then you're part of the problem.
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  Period.
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  I say that again, that's my conclusion for what it's worth.
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  If you disagree, well, that's what... I'm not trying to persuade you, but no, you're part of the problem. But we all, those of us,
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  think we're right headed, and it's a matter of being... Going down the right road and not going 180 degrees down the wrong road, and you only got two choices there too.
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  You're either for me, or you're against me, said the Savior. That's a 180 degree
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  difference in propositions,
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  for or against.
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  And either you're right headed, and that's what the word righteousness means, it doesn't mean perfect, it means right headed, you're going down the right road, or you're wrong headed.
• 1:13:52
  You're going down the road to the law of the city, you're walking into your own shadow, you're walking away from God, your own shadow is getting consumed the further you walk into darkness and away from God, or you're walking toward him.
• 1:14:05
  And there is no shadow in front of you, it's behind you, and it's getting brighter and brighter and brighter as you continue walking just like the book says, The path of the right headed man
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  grows brighter and brighter
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  like the approaching
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  of high noon.
• 1:14:23
  That's what it says by the letters. You just keep getting brighter. It keeps getting brighter and brighter,
• 1:14:29
  and you get closer and closer.
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  You never become God, but you get closer and closer and closer
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  as you approach high noon for the rest of eternity.
• 1:14:40
  Well, that's the way I'm seeing it. Johnny Bob didn't do that, and he went to prison.
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  Now Pete Peters.
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  These... Johnny Bob and Pete Peters are like me and anybody else that gets on the right road.
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  They're born from above.
• 1:14:56
  I listened to Johnny Bob. Boy, he had it. He had it wired. He understood that he had had been safened from hell by the power of God, the birth of the spirit.
• 1:15:06
  And Pete Peters knew that too, but all of a sudden, he's thrown into responsibility
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  for other people,
• 1:15:13
  his family and pastor and his church.
• 1:15:15
  And next thing you know, he's roped in
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  to the clutches
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  of the evil empire, and they almost got him indicted for murder.
• 1:15:26
  Almost.
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  Close.
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  And his... Go ahead. I heard him say
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  Unknown: that he was the regular church Christ preacher. Right?
• 1:15:36
  And then he stumbled onto the identity movement and switched his message,
• 1:15:40
  and his audience went from,
• 1:15:43
  the people that came to his family.
• 1:15:46
  Unknown: Oh, no. That's so funny. Everybody
• 1:15:48
  Unknown: deserted
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  when he changed the message over to identity. For those who don't know, I've mentioned it before.
• 1:15:54
  In about nineteen ninety six, five after Clinton got in,
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  Butchering O was AG,
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  and those two
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  named this guy in La Porte, Colorado, Church Christ,
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  the most dangerous
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  man in America.
• 1:16:11
  Unknown: But, yes, he was, but he was labeled, again, because
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  like all of us,
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  it's, we're going down the path and we're learning how to fight the fight, and he wasn't fighting it properly. He was fighting it improperly.
• 1:16:25
  He was. And... But he's not... I'll tell you, he he he
• 1:16:30
  wasn't hesitant to say that in many ways.
• 1:16:33
  And he actually delivered
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  a three hour presentation
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  on his experiences
• 1:16:39
  and the mistakes he made, and it's instructive.
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  I love it for that. Now, I hasten to add
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  that I am not identity
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  for a lot of reasons that I don't talk about unless somebody presses me on it, and somebody does, I'll talk about it. But I I'm not, and I'm not against
• 1:16:56
  a man saying, and this is what identity is, a man saying, well, I think that I'm the true Israel.
• 1:17:03
  And I don't think that they are. Well, I'm not against that. But I'm still not part of that movement for other reasons.
• 1:17:10
  Matter of fact, the Bible says that you are the Israel of God if you are born from above. I know that much.
• 1:17:16
  And I know also that there is very little evidence, if any not a sliver, that the people there say they are Israel, are Israel. So I'm
• 1:17:25
  not saying that Pete was all wrong, that's not it. And by the way, I'm not Church of Christ, never have been,
• 1:17:31
  and don't want to be,
• 1:17:32
  for reasons of doctrine. And not that I'm against everything about them, I'm not saying they're not Christian folk, but I'm not I'm not in that camp.
• 1:17:41
  But back to Pete.
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  Pete, here's what here's what both Pete and Johnny Bob did.
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  And all of us have tried this, and it's not the way to do it.
• 1:17:52
  Again, and I'm repeating what I've said the last few weeks,
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  we are not to square off
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  with the evil empire.
• 1:17:59
  We are not to square off
• 1:18:01
  with the useful idiots of the evil empire, the leaders of the evil empire, the culture of the evil empire, we are not to square off with it because
• 1:18:11
  our captain,
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  Jesus Christ,
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  said,
• 1:18:16
  do not square off with the evil man. And what does that mean?
• 1:18:22
  That means you don't stand in front of him and get into a blow by blow contest and see who can stand the longest
• 1:18:29
  up front and right at it. You don't do that. If you do, you'll lose.
• 1:18:34
  Our our warfare
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  is covert,
• 1:18:39
  and it's just simply according to the commands of our captain.
• 1:18:43
  And if you don't know the Bible,
• 1:18:46
  and nobody knows it the way they ought to, and matter of fact, very few people know much of anything at all about a very few Christian folk.
• 1:18:53
  If you don't know that, you don't know what you're supposed to do, and you're not gonna... You're gonna get defeated in this life over and over and over again.
• 1:19:00
  It comes down to his law, his will, his command. What is his command? It is the will of the sovereign,
• 1:19:07
  the law of God. And his law is process oriented.
• 1:19:12
  He puts you on a path,
• 1:19:15
  a course,
• 1:19:16
  a way. That's called it common law is due process.
• 1:19:20
  Common law does not include due process. That's what it is. And I can show that historically when Magna Carta, when
• 1:19:29
  Stephen Langton drafted Magna Carta, he included in chapter 39
• 1:19:34
  a phrase
• 1:19:35
  that we lifted from there and put in our Constitution
• 1:19:39
  of The United States,
• 1:19:40
  and the words are
• 1:19:42
  supreme law of the land, or from Magna Carta, law of the land.
• 1:19:48
  Next term, law of the land, in Latin and Magna Carta. What is that? Well, that was their phrase for due process.
• 1:19:55
  That was their phrase for our common law, law of the land. Common law,
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  due process,
• 1:20:02
  a fair play.
• 1:20:04
  Those are all common law phrases and terms, we still use them.
• 1:20:08
  Well, that's what we need to know. Well, what Pete did was he went up against them, and he thought he'd square off, have press conferences,
• 1:20:16
  put it in the newspaper, all that kind of stuff, because that's what they did to him. They went after him for inviting patriotic
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  speaker to come and speak,
• 1:20:25
  who the Southern Poverty Law Center didn't
• 1:20:28
  like, a retired
• 1:20:29
  Unknown: Brigadier General
• 1:20:32
  Unknown: Jack Moore, retired.
• 1:20:34
  And he had been through a lot, World War II and Korea,
• 1:20:38
  prisoner in Korea,
• 1:20:40
  and he was a patriotic speaker. And all of a sudden, that little place where he was pastoring that church, about just a few dozen people, was all over the Denver newspaper, the national media, because they invited this guy to come to speak. Well, what's
• 1:20:55
  a natural response of a red blooded American man?
• 1:20:58
  Oh, okay.
• 1:20:59
  Are you gonna meet me in the newspapers? Let's have a debate. Let's get up front with this.
• 1:21:04
  Let's put it out on what's going to happen.
• 1:21:07
  Well, you might get shot.
• 1:21:09
  That's what's going to happen.
• 1:21:11
  Or you might... Your family might be destroyed. And all those things happen to Pete Peters, and I can testify all those things happen to me too.
• 1:21:20
  I'm
• 1:21:21
  just giving you my personal experiences.
• 1:21:24
  I was thrown in prison on my family. They went after my family. They accused me of everything you could imagine. It went on and on and on and on.
• 1:21:33
  And I'm okay now. What they wanted was my law license. They didn't get it, so I feel like I prevailed.
• 1:21:39
  But it was a hard row to hoe, you know. If you're hoeing a row with a lot of goggle burrs in it and the other row doesn't have many,
• 1:21:47
  Yours is the hard row, mine was the hard row. And mine was the hard row because I squared off with them. And then I got to thinking about what the Bible says,
• 1:21:56
  looking more closely, I said, of course.
• 1:21:59
  The Bible tells us not to do that.
• 1:22:02
  As I said last week and the week before, the Christian life is not the invasion of Normandy.
• 1:22:08
  It's covert operations behind the lines, we're parachuted in,
• 1:22:12
  we're behind enemy lines, we're working that way.
• 1:22:16
  And all we have to do is just do what the captain says.
• 1:22:19
  Go ahead, Roger. Don't lose your clicker.
• 1:22:23
  Unknown: My clicker. Yeah. You said that last week. We were talking about that. That's what I always flash on. Yeah. When you're imagery that is movies
• 1:22:30
  where the guys had the little cricket clicker, and they'd come in at night and they could communicate. At least newer the others were around.
• 1:22:39
  Interesting. Pete Peters had such a profound
• 1:22:42
  effect on me, and
• 1:22:44
  for those of you, we talk about him often around here because of that.
• 1:22:49
  But if you're not familiar with Pete, he he lives on his,
• 1:22:53
  devotees
• 1:22:54
  still maintain a
• 1:22:56
  website called scripturesforamerica.org,
• 1:23:03
  and that's had a problem.
• 1:23:06
  That has been a problem to me. I
• 1:23:08
  I can't go back and listen to the sermons and the things they've got on there because they're not... They have no descriptions. My husband says Yeah. Number on the web. Well,
• 1:23:18
  hold on. Let's see if we can... Can we get this background thing cured, please? Is the female talking?
• 1:23:25
  Unknown: They can break into my computer and They can break into my computer and she's saying. My husband
• 1:23:32
  company
• 1:23:34
  Unknown: just got broken in. Lisa, can you see where this is coming from?
• 1:23:38
  Unknown: Unless you pay us so much money. One of the monitors, can you see where the...... Back of your information. Well, here's here's my... If I... I'll just keep talking, maybe I'll shut off.
• 1:23:48
  So my evaluation
• 1:23:49
  for what it's worth of the thing is,
• 1:23:52
  there are people who are Christian
• 1:23:55
  folk
• 1:23:56
  who are trying to do the right thing, but they're trying to do it on their own terms. They just say, well, I know what I'll need to do. That's easy. And
• 1:24:03
  consider Charlie Kirk. I'm not here to criticize Charlie Kirk, but I'm just pointing out facts.
• 1:24:09
  Charlie was a young man.
• 1:24:12
  He was excited about the truth.
• 1:24:14
  And so he went after it, and what did he do? He went after it. He wanted to. As a matter of fact, he raised money, he was trying to find a way, he wanted to be well known, he wanted to confront
• 1:24:23
  the evil empire.
• 1:24:25
  Confront them, that means swear off with them in public.
• 1:24:28
  And that's what he did.
• 1:24:30
  And that's what he did. But there are a lot of people, and he was saying things that were good, there were things he was doing that were very bad too, by the way.
• 1:24:38
  But he was saying things that were good, but
• 1:24:42
  but but
• 1:24:44
  he's not he's not out there anymore doing anything, just put it bluntly.
• 1:24:48
  There are casualties in the war. You know, you remember Roger, maybe I mentioned this too just by analogy, there was a fellow who became famous. He'd been an army... Young army officer during World War two and
• 1:25:00
  and they had made a miniseries about him. It was called Band of Brothers.
• 1:25:06
  And his name was Richard
• 1:25:08
  Winters. He was a young lieutenant who did a lot of things.
• 1:25:12
  You know, he he he made it through the war. It was real pretty tough. But he said,
• 1:25:17
  there were other fellows in his outfit and he tried to tell them and he did tell them
• 1:25:21
  quit trying to be so bold about confronting the enemy. In other words, you're exposing yourself too much,
• 1:25:28
  and you're going get killed.
• 1:25:30
  And some of them did. They were killed.
• 1:25:33
  Because they didn't simply do what
• 1:25:36
  the young officer in charge of the little company told them to do: quit exposing yourself.
• 1:25:42
  That's stupid. You don't have to do it. Why do it?
• 1:25:45
  Well, it's the same thing in the Christian life. You expose yourself, and then with the Christian life you're doing it against the orders. If you're doing it against the orders
• 1:25:54
  of
• 1:25:55
  the captain,
• 1:25:57
  then you stand a good chance of getting knocked out of the fight. It can happen to you.
• 1:26:03
  And don't seek to be a martyr is the point. If you're up front, you're asking. You're you're silhouetted on the ridge like... That's that's common thing said in our military services.
• 1:26:14
  Don't silhouette yourself on the ridge. Somebody will take you out.
• 1:26:19
  This is covert operations.
• 1:26:21
  Know, Abe Lincoln was like, well, he wasn't using his head. I... A lot of people told him to duck when he'd visit the lines, and they
• 1:26:29
  had to make him do it. He was... Of course, he stuck up real high anyway.
• 1:26:33
  But don't be stupid, be wise,
• 1:26:36
  cover yourself,
• 1:26:37
  and don't swear off with people that are stronger than you at any given moment. I've often used the example and the analogy of
• 1:26:46
  George Washington. He was a superb, superb
• 1:26:49
  military commander,
• 1:26:51
  but he refused to square off with the enemy for seven years.
• 1:26:55
  That's a long time to have an army and not square off with the enemy.
• 1:26:59
  And because he wasn't squaring off with the enemy, the rabble rousers,
• 1:27:03
  the people that were morally outraged and wanted to get all the attention, namely people in the US Congress,
• 1:27:09
  wouldn't send him any money.
• 1:27:11
  And more than once, he decided he was going to resign.
• 1:27:14
  Because he knew he couldn't confront the enemy and win.
• 1:27:18
  So he was going to bide his time.
• 1:27:20
  He was running a covert operation.
• 1:27:23
  And because it wasn't up front and they didn't have victories,
• 1:27:26
  they weren't going to send him any more money. As a matter of fact, they didn't send him any food. They just sent him
• 1:27:32
  ammunition and powder,
• 1:27:34
  and they said if we keep these
• 1:27:36
  young boys hungry, they'll fight better. They'll be mad. That's really what they said. That's politics for you.
• 1:27:43
  Well, he, for seven years, he hung on, finally saw his chance and took it.
• 1:27:48
  But no, that's the way it is with us.
• 1:27:50
  We are Gorilla
• 1:27:52
  Unknown: moves, by the way. Yeah.
• 1:27:54
  Unknown: So, and the way to know to do and the
• 1:27:57
  warfare of the Bible is just simply obeying
• 1:28:01
  what we know to obey quietly.
• 1:28:03
  And that's where the power is, friends.
• 1:28:06
  It's not getting the attention
• 1:28:08
  and being on the news and upfront.
• 1:28:11
  The Bible says, despise not the day of small things.
• 1:28:16
  You may not feel like much, you may not think you're doing much, and people think, well, I can't do anything. So what do they do? They sit in front of the boob tube and get morally outraged and somehow they're addicted to that. So they think they're not important like those people on television, Glenn Beck and and Tucker and who else? I mean, I'm not saying again, those those things are important. As long as they can get away with it, great.
• 1:28:42
  God in his sovereignty allows it, maybe even commands it. I don't know.
• 1:28:47
  But
• 1:28:48
  for me, I'm not doing that right now. I'm here on talking to people here, and I do that. I'm on some other platforms, but I'm certainly not famous.
• 1:28:57
  And if God wants to change that, that would bother me because I think that's dangerous from previous experience. Can be. Can.
• 1:29:04
  Oh, I I can't believe it is, but... Good. Tucker's latest
• 1:29:09
  Unknown: drop this week, Wednesday,
• 1:29:12
  and I really admire Tucker, and I really like him. I like his style. I like him. He portrays himself, who he is in a way. Mhmm. He had one that is with a South African farmer.
• 1:29:26
  Mhmm. And I just ref... I refuse to listen to it because it is gruesome.
• 1:29:32
  Oh, yeah. Tells the actualities
• 1:29:34
  of what went on to him and his family. Mhmm. And the peripheral talk I heard, if you can get halfway through that interview without breaking down into tears, you're superhuman.
• 1:29:45
  So I have... I know what's going on over there. I've heard those exposition. I just I just don't... It's like going back and watching Europa again. I've watched it once. I've seen it. I know what's there, and Mhmm. I've got the impression. It's already made. Okay? Mhmm. But I just want to say that. I wanna say that yesterday.
• 1:30:03
  Some of you may wanna go see that. And if you don't know
• 1:30:06
  what's been going on in South Africa at the behest of these commies that Brent's talking about a lot here,
• 1:30:14
  then maybe I ought to go listen to it, but have a Mhmm. Have a handkerchief or some Kleenex.
• 1:30:20
  Unknown: Well, I I listened to it, Roger. Oh, you did? When I... Once I got the gist of it, there's no more... You don't have to listen anymore. Yeah. But I... And I had had a friend who I kept up communication
• 1:30:31
  with
• 1:30:32
  from South Africa,
• 1:30:34
  and he
• 1:30:35
  was writing books. He wrote a book. I told him if I'd have known you'd have written this book, I wouldn't have written a book that I wrote about our common law.
• 1:30:43
  And he laughed, we got to know each other because we were
• 1:30:47
  like kindred spirits. And
• 1:30:50
  he was a barrister
• 1:30:52
  from South Africa. He was born
• 1:30:55
  in England. His parents, his mother and father went to
• 1:30:58
  South Africa during World World War two, were stationed there, his dad was, and then he ended up staying there. And then he he became a geologist and worked in the gold mines. Yeah.
• 1:31:09
  Unknown: Then he... Place to be a geologist. Yeah. So...
• 1:31:12
  Unknown: But then he then he kept going to school and he became a a pastor of a church in Mississippi,
• 1:31:21
  Presbyterian
• 1:31:22
  church. And then he eventually
• 1:31:24
  became a professor at the Presbyterian Seminary in
• 1:31:28
  Melbourne.
• 1:31:29
  Or no, no, Brisbane. Brisbane. And he
• 1:31:34
  was writing these books, and we were sending stuff back and forth,
• 1:31:40
  I was reading some of the books. He'd told me some of the things he'd written. One book he wrote was... His name, by the way, was...
• 1:31:47
  His last name was Lee, l e e.
• 1:31:50
  He claimed to be a cousin of Robert. I don't know if he was or not. He could have been. Probably was.
• 1:31:55
  Because he's not a liar. I guess I should assume it by a distant cousin. But
• 1:32:00
  his name was Lee, and his first name... I'm trying to...
• 1:32:04
  It was kind of one of those odd
• 1:32:06
  English names. I just called him mister Lee. I was always real respectful. He's deceased now.
• 1:32:12
  But his
• 1:32:13
  mother and father lived in South Africa,
• 1:32:16
  and some Africans came into their home and brutally killed both of them, elderly people.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah. They'd kill
• 1:32:24
  Unknown: He just probably tortured
• 1:32:26
  them beforehand.
• 1:32:27
  Unknown: Well, they were... Yeah. That's what they did. And they, of course, it's just a hatred of
• 1:32:31
  just a hatred of people that didn't look like them. They just rank racism, you know.
• 1:32:37
  And
• 1:32:38
  I said, Well, what did you do?
• 1:32:40
  Nigel, his name was Nigel.
• 1:32:43
  I said, What did you do? He said, Well,
• 1:32:46
  Nigel... Francis Nigel Lee.
• 1:32:48
  He he went back to South Africa.
• 1:32:52
  They found him and threw him in jail.
• 1:32:54
  He went back to South Africa and asked to see him, the people that had slaughtered his mother, his elderly mother and father.
• 1:33:02
  And
• 1:33:04
  they let him in.
• 1:33:05
  I said, well, what did you say to him? He said, well,
• 1:33:09
  I sat down with him and I told him that
• 1:33:13
  Jesus Christ paid the penalty for their sins.
• 1:33:17
  If they are the elect of God, they will accept that.
• 1:33:21
  But there's no way you could ever hear it unless God sends somebody like me to tell you.
• 1:33:26
  Now him being a Presbyterian,
• 1:33:28
  that's the way he would present it.
• 1:33:30
  Wrote a book about it, you can read it. If you look him up, Francis Nigel Lee,
• 1:33:35
  you'll probably find all of his books. One of his books was called...
• 1:33:39
  Well, was on the history and the roots and fruits of our common law
• 1:33:44
  of our common law through the... He also wrote a book on King Alfred the Great. That was a very good book.
• 1:33:51
  But
• 1:33:53
  he
• 1:33:55
  gave the Gospel to these
• 1:33:58
  Negro
• 1:33:59
  men. I don't know how else to say it.
• 1:34:01
  Oh, I could say black men, but I've had friends that are that are Negroes that would not allow me to say the word black
• 1:34:09
  to identify them. I'm I'm speaking specifically.
• 1:34:13
  The most prominent figure was a well known man,
• 1:34:16
  and
• 1:34:18
  he...
• 1:34:21
  In South Central Los Angeles, a well known pastor there.
• 1:34:25
  He wouldn't allow that.
• 1:34:27
  But
• 1:34:28
  he talked to them, and then they were executed.
• 1:34:32
  They were executed.
• 1:34:34
  And he said, they told me that they were Christian men after I talked to them.
• 1:34:38
  I said, that's a fascinating story, mister Lee.
• 1:34:42
  Well,
• 1:34:43
  Nigel Lee passed away about, oh, ten years ago or so.
• 1:34:47
  But he understood
• 1:34:49
  the
• 1:34:50
  reality of not
• 1:34:52
  of not acting like you're gonna be an upfront famous man fighting the evil empire.
• 1:34:57
  God won't let anybody have the glory but him.
• 1:35:00
  Don't even think about taking any credit for anything.
• 1:35:04
  Now, that's good Presbyterian doctrine too, by the way.
• 1:35:09
  No matter what happens in life,
• 1:35:11
  make sure somebody else gets the credit.
• 1:35:15
  And if you do that, God will get the glory,
• 1:35:18
  but you will get the enjoyment.
• 1:35:21
  Now there's something... Who said that? I'm quoting somebody. I forget who it is. But
• 1:35:26
  that's a good way to look at life, Roger.
• 1:35:29
  Make sure God gets the glory,
• 1:35:31
  somebody else gets the credit,
• 1:35:33
  and that way you'll get the enjoyment. And that's what we all need, a little bit of enjoyment.
• 1:35:38
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:35:39
  I agree with that. Anybody got any questions for Brent or myself here today?
• 1:35:45
  You've probably been listening, sitting there idle or however...
• 1:35:49
  Wherever you are, but if you'd like to ask a question and you got...
• 1:35:53
  Well, I I would say I've got a pretty good depth, but I know Brent's got an exceptional depth of history and all these backgrounds. Somebody wanna say something there?
• 1:36:03
  Unknown: Right. Just respond to the offer of a question. First comment,
• 1:36:08
  my daddy...
• 1:36:09
  I got some stories too, Brent. My daddy was being interviewed by my son for a school project and, you know, get to know your granddad.
• 1:36:18
  And
• 1:36:20
  turns out
• 1:36:22
  back in Philly,
• 1:36:25
  we...
• 1:36:26
  City was going door to door asking about my dad.
• 1:36:30
  Is
• 1:36:32
  is George a good guy? George a Darrell with my
• 1:36:36
  nana. Yeah. My nana's saying, is George in trouble?
• 1:36:40
  And
• 1:36:43
  and I said, why? Well, FBI came asking about him after that character, asking about
• 1:36:48
  blah blah blah. I said, well, no. He's he's got a license. He's got a driver's license. So my daddy was 16 years old at the time,
• 1:36:56
  and, of course, a lot of the cannon fodder had been killed off in WW two. My dad was just coming up to this WW two
• 1:37:02
  and
• 1:37:04
  kinda lines with
• 1:37:05
  GW two. But
• 1:37:08
  he he
• 1:37:10
  was... They needed the driver for the cavalcade that was gonna be going to the democratic convention in Philly in '48.
• 1:37:17
  Unknown: Uh-huh. So
• 1:37:18
  Unknown: my dad said they went through that car because I said, dad, is this a true story? I never heard story. I I heard you told my son. I said, yep. And they went through that car. It was probably a Lincoln or whatever, the seaside doors and all that.
• 1:37:31
  They went through that car, every cavity. They said there was no bombs in it and all that.
• 1:37:36
  You say bomb on the air?
• 1:37:39
  And sure enough, my dad was driving one of the the air or something like that.
• 1:37:44
  And,
• 1:37:45
  yeah, they had gone up and down the road, like you said. Now my dad used to give the
• 1:37:51
  mail carrier
• 1:37:53
  a beer on a hot day, so I think he was taking care of... We just take care of him.
• 1:37:58
  Unknown: He's talking about the mail. Is this George from Idaho? You didn't identify yourself, or I didn't hear it. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:38:04
  Unknown: Yeah. And then
• 1:38:06
  another story is that... It's interesting that when we talk about citizenship and such,
• 1:38:12
  it's strange that most of the British citizens had died off by 1860
• 1:38:17
  or so. You know, they're all British subjects before 2683
• 1:38:22
  because that's when the peace treaty was signed.
• 1:38:24
  Mhmm. David George the third, the old and Roman empire arch treasurer, electorate,
• 1:38:30
  control the... You know, he can come out of the ground and whatnot. Mhmm. So, really, Tyler was the first US president able to be US president
• 1:38:39
  Mhmm.
• 1:38:40
  Considering what else is British.
• 1:38:42
  And,
• 1:38:43
  you know, they kinda had to redefine what citizenship was
• 1:38:47
  because we... You know, for your statement, Anglo Saxon
• 1:38:51
  common law heritage.
• 1:38:53
  Mhmm. US is really the first mercantile
• 1:38:56
  section set up. That's really what it is. Yeah.
• 1:39:00
  The admiral who kinda overlays all the stuff that he talked about with regard to Canada law,
• 1:39:07
  common law, all that stuff. So, anyway, couple interesting stories. Just was wondering about your thoughts and the timing of that where,
• 1:39:15
  you know, all the British
• 1:39:18
  people who were born Brits were dead men. They kinda had to redefine what this country was about. I you.
• 1:39:24
  Unknown: Well, the declaration of independence,
• 1:39:26
  you know, you just kinda defined it.
• 1:39:29
  Mhmm. There's a little capital citizen in there and all that other stuff. Jefferson had an idea of it, but it was a state citizen loyalty.
• 1:39:37
  Unknown: But we weren't... We were concerned,
• 1:39:40
  because we were interested in conquering a continent.
• 1:39:43
  And we had a mindset that by and large, in America, we don't care where you're from. Matter of fact, we're the only nation in the world that would say when we settled in the little settlements by the thousands all over the country, hey, we don't care who we are. We're all equal here, so just jump in. There were there were members of the nobility that did... That hid who they were. There were people who were so poor, they were almost
• 1:40:07
  dead by the time they got here.
• 1:40:09
  And when they got to America, everything was the same. That we took great pride in that.
• 1:40:13
  And we didn't worry about polishing up our
• 1:40:16
  our family tree and our ancestors. We just worried about polishing up our end of the line and trying to make something ourselves, and that's why we became the most powerful engine of wealth and prosperity the world world has ever known. We still are. I don't know how long it'll last, but we are. Hanging on by our fingernails. Yeah. But that came because of our mindset, and that's a Christian mindset. A mindset is this, that is fundamental. We're conquering the land.
• 1:40:41
  If you're not conquering the land,
• 1:40:43
  then you're gonna turn... If you're not dominating land, and this is fundamental Bible doctrine.
• 1:40:48
  Jesus Christ said it himself.
• 1:40:51
  If you're not dominating the land, your energy, that massive amount of energy that every man or woman has will be turned to dominating other men and women. That's what that's what tyranny is. You become in Rome.
• 1:41:04
  If you're out... I put it in my dad... My father's term, he's 100 years old this year, and he always said and still says, if we... If everybody was out scratching like the chickens to get something to eat, we wouldn't have time to be fighting with one another. Amen.
• 1:41:17
  But we're we're not. We're we're become wealthy. Yeah. We we aren't worried about our ambition. We have nothing to conquer. And if we're not conquering land, we're gonna try to dominate each other. Jesus Christ put it this way.
• 1:41:30
  He said,
• 1:41:31
  not do
• 1:41:33
  as the nations,
• 1:41:35
  plural,
• 1:41:36
  the rulers of the nations who seek to dominate.
• 1:41:40
  And in those nations, under the law of the city, domination is all there is of other men.
• 1:41:46
  The law of the land is not called the law of the land for nothing.
• 1:41:49
  It's all about dominating the land
• 1:41:51
  and bringing it into
• 1:41:53
  God's order of law and his productivity
• 1:41:56
  for our enjoyment and his
• 1:41:59
  glory.
• 1:42:00
  That's the fundamental
• 1:42:02
  of a Christian man's relationship with his God. Period.
• 1:42:06
  That is what our forebearers called the trust or the covenant.
• 1:42:11
  But it it... That's a catchall word for an agreement, an undertaking,
• 1:42:16
  but it's a trust settlement.
• 1:42:18
  And the entrusted property is the land that the Lord our God has given us, as the Bible says. That's the theme of the whole Bible.
• 1:42:25
  And you want... I had a fellow say, who was it? Oh, golly. Had three three
• 1:42:30
  three people say this to me, one woman and two men. What is my purpose here? Why am I here?
• 1:42:35
  You're here to fulfill
• 1:42:38
  the trust settlement of God, and it's all about land, and every person on the face of the planet has been given a land that he's part of. I don't care if you live on a houseboat.
• 1:42:48
  And if you're floating out on the ocean, you still got to get back to land. Sooner or later, you'll die.
• 1:42:53
  You're flying the flag if you're on the ocean. You're flying a flag of a land. And that as according to international law either, even which if it's unrightly understood in a Christian way,
• 1:43:05
  every floating ship
• 1:43:06
  is a floating hunk of the land under the flag it flies.
• 1:43:11
  You gotta get back to land.
• 1:43:13
  Everybody does.
• 1:43:14
  We can't live without it. It's foreign for us to be out on the ocean. It's a dangerous place. That's why it's under admiralty law.
• 1:43:21
  Rightly so.
• 1:43:22
  But here on land, have a different kind of
• 1:43:26
  government, different kind of freedom. People said when I was running for office, they said, oh, well now, Brent's an anti government guy.
• 1:43:34
  And
• 1:43:36
  my response, they'd say that to me in interviews. I said, do you mean anti government?
• 1:43:40
  The best health education and welfare institution is
• 1:43:44
  the God
• 1:43:45
  ever devised the government of the family.
• 1:43:48
  That's where it starts. And if you don't have that, you don't have any government.
• 1:43:52
  All you'll have is tyranny. If family government isn't straight, all you'll have is tyranny.
• 1:43:57
  Unknown: Period. I... When I was addressed with that, I'd say, no. I'm exactly the opposite. I'm very pro
• 1:44:04
  Unknown: government. Yeah. Well, I am too. That was my that was my point. No. I'm pro government, and all you that's... That are focused on politics are really anti government, anti god, and domination of other men. You have no purpose. All you wanna do is dominate,
• 1:44:19
  and you don't even recognize it. And that's your problem.
• 1:44:23
  Unknown: Did I hear a female voice in the background?
• 1:44:28
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 1:44:28
  I was gonna say,
• 1:44:30
  remember the saying, give me,
• 1:44:33
  give me the the
• 1:44:35
  humble, the tired, the poor,
• 1:44:38
  yearning to be free. That's what I thought this country was about and it's totally not.
• 1:44:44
  Unknown: Well, no. That is our favorite.... Is on the bottom of the statute of liberty. Isn't that correct?
• 1:44:51
  Unknown: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, sir.
• 1:44:53
  Unknown: That was that was given to The US and designed by a communist,
• 1:44:58
  I believe?
• 1:44:59
  No. That's probably... At France, whatever. He's got a questionable background.
• 1:45:03
  So people have have questioned about that, but go ahead.
• 1:45:09
  Unknown: I think her point was, she just want to make that one point. Okay. Another point here too,
• 1:45:15
  and words can be true, and evil men can speak true words.
• 1:45:19
  That that can happen, and it happens quite a bit. A matter of fact, the devil himself uses true words, and then he taints them and twists them. So it's not that the words are always false, but yeah, I agree with you Roger. Well, it's like the ones that are coming now, they're not yearning to be free. They're yearning to be on social security and benefits and and snap cards and everything else. That's what they're yearning for. Yeah. Freedom is freedom from doom. That's what freedom is. That's what the word means. It's a good definition.
• 1:45:49
  Doom, dom, is doom, the old Anglo Saxon. Free means to be free from doom. And then the only way to be free from ultimate doom is to be safened from God Himself,
• 1:46:01
  because He is the ultimate doomer. And He Himself has delegated all authority according to the Bible to Jesus Christ
• 1:46:08
  to hurl
• 1:46:09
  men into hell.
• 1:46:12
  Salvation is from Him. You're saved from He saves you from Himself,
• 1:46:17
  because He's the executor of His law.
• 1:46:20
  And if you don't accept
• 1:46:22
  His remedy for your law breaking,
• 1:46:25
  it's all sin,
• 1:46:27
  then you'll spend the rest of eternity
• 1:46:30
  trying to pay for it, not getting it done. That's what'll happen. Hey, Roger.
• 1:46:34
  Unknown: Oh,
• 1:46:35
  Doug. Hey, buddy.
• 1:46:39
  Man.
• 1:46:41
  Unknown: How nice how nice to be here with
• 1:46:44
  y'all.
• 1:46:45
  Unknown: Y'all listen to how it rolls off his lips.
• 1:46:48
  Unknown: Oh, yeah.
• 1:46:50
  I wanted to
• 1:46:52
  bolster
• 1:46:54
  Brent's
• 1:46:56
  idea
• 1:46:58
  about
• 1:47:00
  working...
• 1:47:01
  Acting
• 1:47:02
  through the system
• 1:47:04
  in a covert manner
• 1:47:07
  by
• 1:47:08
  using
• 1:47:10
  the words from Psalm 91.
• 1:47:14
  It's only
• 1:47:15
  two verses.
• 1:47:16
  So if I may read those.
• 1:47:22
  Okay. I guess I can.
• 1:47:24
  Unknown: Silence Hey. No. No.
• 1:47:26
  Of course you can. No. No. No. Okay. Go ahead, Brent. You're overdoing something with the microwave.
• 1:47:31
  Unknown: Yeah. Well, yeah. I got it wrong. Go ahead.
• 1:47:34
  Unknown: Okay.
• 1:47:35
  So this bolsters the idea of acting
• 1:47:39
  covertly
• 1:47:41
  as a wise
• 1:47:45
  way to conduct oneself.
• 1:47:47
  So here we go. Psalm 91 verse one and two.
• 1:47:51
  He
• 1:47:52
  that dwelleth in the secret
• 1:47:56
  place,
• 1:47:57
  that's that covert place,
• 1:48:00
  of the most high
• 1:48:02
  shall abide
• 1:48:04
  under the shadow
• 1:48:06
  of the almighty.
• 1:48:09
  Verse two. I
• 1:48:11
  will say of
• 1:48:13
  the Lord,
• 1:48:15
  he is my refuge
• 1:48:17
  and
• 1:48:19
  my fortress
• 1:48:21
  semicolon...
• 1:48:22
  I mean, colon,
• 1:48:24
  my god
• 1:48:26
  in him
• 1:48:27
  will I trust?
• 1:48:31
  Unknown: Yeah. You know, David, king David was
• 1:48:34
  in the wilderness operating
• 1:48:37
  covertly.
• 1:48:37
  He was king, anointed king, operating
• 1:48:40
  covertly for a long time.
• 1:48:42
  And you can read about all the things that happened. You can also go to the book of Acts and read about how Paul
• 1:48:48
  operated within the system,
• 1:48:50
  within the system, within the laws, used the law,
• 1:48:53
  but did it in a rather covert way. You say, no, he was upfront. No, he was really behind the scenes.
• 1:48:58
  But for all behind the scenes things he did, he didn't have to go looking to be noticed.
• 1:49:03
  You don't go looking to be a martyr, you'll find martyrdom soon enough, as Wycliffe said, if you just read the Bible out loud. You know, you said, May I read these two verses? And I was thinking
• 1:49:13
  that
• 1:49:14
  one of the things we do presentation
• 1:49:16
  on Sunday and Saturday, I'm not reading the Bible enough.
• 1:49:20
  I need to be just reading the Bible. Anything that I say is secondary.
• 1:49:25
  I just need to read the Bible.
• 1:49:27
  And I'm not doing it the way I ought to. And because Paul says, of course, the Bible our command is give attention to reading.
• 1:49:33
  I need to be doing that. So I appreciate you reading that, Doug.
• 1:49:38
  Unknown: Well, I wanted to mention one more thing also that fits in with this subject matter,
• 1:49:44
  I think.
• 1:49:45
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:49:46
  Unknown: You know, all of us and myself included,
• 1:49:50
  I...
• 1:49:51
  We experienced
• 1:49:53
  family
• 1:49:56
  disagreement,
• 1:49:57
  divorces,
• 1:49:58
  things like that.
• 1:50:01
  And as I've grown older
• 1:50:03
  Mhmm. In
• 1:50:05
  learning his ways
• 1:50:07
  Mhmm.
• 1:50:10
  I deal with these things
• 1:50:13
  and
• 1:50:15
  knowing, realizing
• 1:50:17
  that, like, there's...
• 1:50:19
  My daughter
• 1:50:21
  is
• 1:50:22
  somewhat recently been in a divorce.
• 1:50:25
  Mhmm. So there's her husband and his mother,
• 1:50:29
  and
• 1:50:31
  then then there's my daughter and my ex wife,
• 1:50:34
  my daughter's mother,
• 1:50:36
  who are, like, you know, they're
• 1:50:38
  they're, you know, on... I don't know. On the borderline of hating these people. Mhmm. And
• 1:50:46
  I happen to be in a situation a couple of weeks ago where it was grandparents day,
• 1:50:51
  traveled up to visit
• 1:50:54
  the daughter
• 1:50:56
  of
• 1:50:57
  my
• 1:51:00
  daughter's
• 1:51:02
  school
• 1:51:04
  and... With my ex wife.
• 1:51:07
  And
• 1:51:08
  so
• 1:51:09
  there shows up her husband,
• 1:51:13
  and
• 1:51:16
  and her
• 1:51:17
  husband's mother.
• 1:51:19
  So there's this sacred
• 1:51:20
  thing going on here,
• 1:51:23
  and I
• 1:51:25
  wanted to go along.
• 1:51:27
  So we
• 1:51:29
  got there a little bit before,
• 1:51:31
  they did,
• 1:51:33
  her ex... Her husband and her
• 1:51:36
  husband's mother. And I'm standing there
• 1:51:40
  looking over
• 1:51:41
  my granddaughter's
• 1:51:43
  desk that she's sitting at,
• 1:51:46
  and there's a a questionnaire that they give. And the questionnaire is asking the grandparent
• 1:51:53
  these
• 1:51:54
  and or however many questions. And, you know, it's a yes or no thing. Anyway,
• 1:52:00
  I I turn around
• 1:52:02
  and there is her
• 1:52:05
  ex husband standing there.
• 1:52:08
  I've never had a problem with him,
• 1:52:11
  and he wouldn't look at me.
• 1:52:15
  So
• 1:52:16
  I tap him on the arm. You know? Hey.
• 1:52:20
  And I shake his hand.
• 1:52:21
  Unknown: Mhmm.
• 1:52:23
  Unknown: And
• 1:52:24
  so
• 1:52:25
  instead of having something that would be, like, negative,
• 1:52:30
  I'm actually
• 1:52:31
  trying to
• 1:52:34
  be a a peacemaker,
• 1:52:36
  a bridge builder.
• 1:52:39
  People
• 1:52:41
  tear down bridges so easily.
• 1:52:44
  You know, just think of...
• 1:52:47
  Well, I don't wanna get too extract...
• 1:52:49
  Here,
• 1:52:50
  but, you know, what Trump doing to the country,
• 1:52:53
  it's a it's a burning down everything.
• 1:52:57
  But instead of
• 1:52:59
  doing something
• 1:53:01
  that isn't making peace,
• 1:53:05
  I have...
• 1:53:07
  I get one story from my daughter's side.
• 1:53:11
  I don't get any story from the other side, but I'm not quick to
• 1:53:15
  to judge
• 1:53:17
  things.
• 1:53:18
  I just know
• 1:53:19
  my experience with him has never had one bad experience. So everybody has their opinion,
• 1:53:26
  and we know what those are like. So I just shook his hand.
• 1:53:31
  And for the next half hour,
• 1:53:34
  he and I,
• 1:53:35
  I spoke to his mother
• 1:53:38
  Mhmm. Because this was kind of a together family
• 1:53:41
  before all this happened.
• 1:53:44
  Wow. I just think people are so...
• 1:53:46
  Like, you talked about
• 1:53:50
  people getting in
• 1:53:52
  the wrong mindset,
• 1:53:53
  squaring off Mhmm. Type of a thing. That never does anything.
• 1:53:59
  Mhmm. I'm not advocating
• 1:54:01
  Unknown: Well, they've aggravated the situation.
• 1:54:04
  Unknown: Well, you're... This is coming from a man. I'm talking about you, Doug. You squared off for some people in your life, haven't you?
• 1:54:13
  Unknown: Yeah. Sometimes wrong too.
• 1:54:15
  Unknown: Well, I've heard I've heard you tell the stories back when you were growing up in New Jersey, was it? Or where was it? Massachusetts.
• 1:54:23
  Massachusetts. Yeah. Massachusetts. Yeah. It all... It... I... I've never been there, so it all... Well, I've been there once. But but anyway, back in that neck of the woods.
• 1:54:31
  So you're saying that you've learned in your experience that that's not the best way to handle things if you can avoid it. If you can avoid it. Right?
• 1:54:40
  Unknown: Exactly.
• 1:54:41
  If I can't...
• 1:54:43
  I'll stand up against evil with my teeth and claws
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  hanging out. But
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  most of the time, that's not necessary in my experience and opinion.
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  Unknown: No. That's that's right. And then don't be quick to
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  go to violence. And that's the message I try to stress too. I do stress it. I, you know, I was thinking recently, just because people trying to go to court, they're coming to me and asking me about it.
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  Over the years, I've come to some conclusions. And one of the conclusions I've come to
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  is there's no sense going to court
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  unless the only option, if you can truly say the only option to get what I want is violence,
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  okay, go to court.
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  Other than that, try to figure it out. And the Bible says that.
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  Settle with your adversary
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  quickly if you can. Get it over with.
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  But there are times when that's not possible. I recognize that, but that's few and far between by comparison.
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  Unknown: Yeah. Be slow to anger. What's that word? Be slow to anger, and I don't remember the other... The second part of it. Maybe
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  forgive. Quick to forgive.
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  Yeah. It is. No.
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  Unknown: If you're slow to anger, everything else will work out. But it is true. My brother used to say and still says, and this is a good Bible,
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  men fight on purpose.
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  A feminine men just fight.
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  And that's not right. And it'll never get you anywhere but trouble.
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  But there's a... When you fight, you must sure you're fighting... Must be sure you're fighting on purpose. That's the way God wants you. That means you're not reacting.
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  You're not acting out of bloodlust.
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  You're fighting for what's behind you instead of
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  vengeance
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  on what's in front of you.
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  There's a difference.
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  Unknown: Well, Brent, you know, that... Though in verse two, the last sentence there Uh-huh.
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  Or or actually the whole verse two of Psalm 91,
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  I will say of the Lord, we know who we're talking about here. He is my refuge
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  and my fortress.
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  My God,
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  in him
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  will I trust.
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  Now
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  it's so facto.
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  That means full trust.
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  No other trust.
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  No trust in your
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  strength, your money, your...
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  Whoever else backs you up
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  that... I mean, there it is right there. How simple,
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  how perfect, how beautiful
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  are the words of our heavenly father in his own word.
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  Unknown: Mhmm.
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  Well, thank you for that testimony. Thank you, Douglas. Yeah. And the reiteration.
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  Very important.
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  Unknown: On that Long time, mister Cosmos.
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  Love you, guys. Else? Yep. Love you too. Anybody else got something they wanna add here? We're just about trust.
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  Unknown: Can can
• 1:57:42
  you put a statutory trust into a private trust and therefore keep it private?
• 1:57:48
  Unknown: Like... What what what... What's that? What's the... George, you gotta talk right in your microphone. You're just a little bit distant.
• 1:57:56
  Unknown: Sorry. I got earbuds on, so I I... I'm working. But... Yeah.
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  Can you put a...
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  You know, by doing things with the membership and resignations and such, can you have statutory trust that were previously created put into a private trust and therefore be outside... You know, without The United States?
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  Unknown: Well, first, it's a misnomer. This is popular patriot
• 1:58:21
  mythology.
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  A statutory trust is a private trust.
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  So don't make that distinction. If a statute says, well, you can do this kind of a trust, well,
• 1:58:30
  you can do it. It's a private matter. Statute says, here's the way that we wanna do these contracts. Well, contracts are a private matter, and trust are a species of the law of promises, contracts.
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  So if you have if you have a trust and you're relying on a statute
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  to
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  support
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  what you're doing, it's still a private trust.
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  You've entrusted it privately,
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  unless unless the government is a party to the to the situation.
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  Now
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  if you... If there's a no statute
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  at all and you say in the trust document, which I've drafted them like this, that's a good way to do it. The the the settler relies on no statute
• 1:59:14
  for the authority of this trust. You can do that. That's okay. Cool. But once you do... Even if you do that,
• 1:59:20
  as far as I know, in almost every state, I think every state,
• 1:59:24
  if a problem comes up with the trust,
• 1:59:27
  and the trust does not address the problem,
• 1:59:30
  then the courts will
• 1:59:32
  go to the uniform trust code of their state
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  and they'll use something out of that statute
• 1:59:39
  to interpret or what should be done.
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  So, know,
• 1:59:44
  just a minute. I'm not done yet but yeah, yeah, I'll be done in a minute but don't don't get caught up too much. Now, I would advise
• 1:59:52
  that you should draft the trust so you don't
• 1:59:56
  don't depend on any statute. Put it right in the trust document.
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  But you're asking, can you change
• 2:00:02
  it? And the answer is yes. You can amend the trust as... Listen to this closely.
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  As long as you don't
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  change the fundamental purpose of the trust,
• 2:00:14
  you can make modifications.
• 2:00:16
  You can amend. Mhmm. But you... Once a trust is irrevocable,
• 2:00:22
  you... It's not lawful if you ever get in trouble and ever go to court. It's not lawful to
• 2:00:28
  to change its fundamental purpose. If you do that, you've got a whole new new trust and you need to scrap it and start over again. But you can, like, change beneficiaries
• 2:00:37
  and any other little alterations. Right. Right. That hurt them in response to the tax laws or whatever.
• 2:00:44
  Even go to another country. Somebody said they wanna make comment. What was it? Yes.
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  Unknown: This is Carl in Utah. Two things I wanna kinda point out with the trust, and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I I really
• 2:00:56
  believe that I'm right on this. When I
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  when I
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  get on my knees at night and I say a prayer to God
• 2:01:05
  and I ask for for a blessing,
• 2:01:08
  in return, I'm going to do something in return,
• 2:01:11
  and that's to follow him or to better myself, whatever it might be. That is a trust. That's an expressed trust between God and myself.
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  Correct?
• 2:01:20
  Unknown: Carl... Well, Carl, before we move on, Carl... I've talked to you before, haven't I? Yeah. Yeah. You've talked to me a few times. Carl used to be a basketball player, didn't you?
• 2:01:31
  Unknown: Football.
• 2:01:32
  Unknown: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 2:01:33
  But you were... I remember. I just wanted to make sure I had the right guy, and I'm glad you're hanging around, and I
• 2:01:40
  didn't wanna lose track of you. Alright. Let let me be frank if I may.
• 2:01:48
  God doesn't make deals with anybody.
• 2:01:51
  God does not say, if you do this, I'll do that.
• 2:01:54
  And we should not say to God, if you do this, I'll do that.
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  That's
• 2:01:59
  disrespectful.
• 2:02:01
  God's position with the law of promises is this.
• 2:02:06
  I've settled
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  this trust. I've made the undertaking,
• 2:02:10
  and I've chosen you to be a beneficiary.
• 2:02:13
  You can disavow
• 2:02:15
  your position as a beneficiary
• 2:02:17
  or you can accept it,
• 2:02:20
  but
• 2:02:21
  you take the deal I give you, and that's the end of it.
• 2:02:24
  We have... When we're on Sunday...
• 2:02:26
  Sundays on set, we have to play a song that my granddad taught me or we used to play. I learned it because I listened to him play it on the banjo.
• 2:02:36
  No. He'd sing the song, but...
• 2:02:38
  And the name of the song is the Preacher and the Bear.
• 2:02:41
  Oh, yeah. And it goes... And Jerry
• 2:02:44
  Reed sang it too. He did his version. Yes. He did. Well, the preacher went out as hunting early one Sunday morning.
• 2:02:51
  Though it was getting his religion, he took his shotgun along.
• 2:02:55
  He got himself a mighty fine mess of quail and one old scraggly hair.
• 2:03:00
  And on the way back home, he crossed the path of a great big grizzly bear.
• 2:03:05
  Well, the bear got down ready to charge.
• 2:03:08
  Preacher never seen nothing quite that large.
• 2:03:11
  He looked the preacher right square in the eye.
• 2:03:14
  Didn't take the preacher long to say bye.
• 2:03:17
  Preacher ran till he seen a tree. He said, up in that tree is where I ought to be. By the time the bear made a grab at him, the preacher was sitting on top of a limb,
• 2:03:27
  scared to death,
• 2:03:28
  turned about,
• 2:03:30
  looked to the sky, and began to shout, hey, Lord,
• 2:03:33
  you delivered Daniel from the bottom of the lion's den.
• 2:03:37
  You delivered Jonah from the belly of the whale and then the Hebrew children
• 2:03:41
  from the fiery furnace.
• 2:03:43
  So the good book do declare,
• 2:03:46
  hey, Lord, if you can't help me, for heaven's sake, don't help that bear.
• 2:03:51
  Well, about that time, the limb broke off and the preacher come at tumbling down,
• 2:03:56
  had a straight razor out of his pocket
• 2:03:58
  by the time he lit on the ground.
• 2:04:01
  He landed on his feet right in front of the bear, and, oh, what an awful sight. The preacher and the bear, the razor and the hare
• 2:04:08
  flying from left to right. Well,
• 2:04:11
  first day's up, then day's down.
• 2:04:13
  The preacher and the bear going round and round. He said, Lord, if I get out of this alive,
• 2:04:19
  straight by the good book, I'll abide.
• 2:04:21
  No more hunting on the Sabbath day. Come Sunday, I'm heading for the church to pray.
• 2:04:27
  Well, there it is right there. He's trying to cut a deal with God.
• 2:04:31
  He said,
• 2:04:32
  if I get out of here alive, how many people have said things like that? I talked to a fellow. Yeah. Then if you do if you do what I want, God, then I'll do what you want. No. Because
• 2:04:43
  when you do that,
• 2:04:44
  you're entering on an equal level with the other party. Yeah. That's called that's called a banal contract. Mhmm. God does not cut banal contracts
• 2:04:54
  with anybody.
• 2:04:56
  He is the Caesarion
• 2:04:58
  sovereign.
• 2:04:59
  He'll offer you a deal. You either accept it or whatever he wants to offer, you either accept it
• 2:05:05
  or reject it. And the deal he offers is beneficiary
• 2:05:08
  of his entrustment.
• 2:05:10
  That's what it is.
• 2:05:12
  But we don't...
• 2:05:13
  But anyway, back to... I'm I'm glad... Again, glad you called.
• 2:05:17
  I'm glad to hear from you. I hadn't talked to you for a while. And God used you, in my humble opinion, in his sovereignty just now to raise a point that I thought ought to be mentioned.
• 2:05:30
  So... But coming back to the question,
• 2:05:33
  Carl,
• 2:05:34
  I've talked so much, and I get focused on what I I think ought to say.
• 2:05:39
  I don't know that I remember exactly your question. Tell me your question again if you would.
• 2:05:44
  Unknown: Well, it's a two part question. The first part is when I get on my knees at night and I say a prayer, that's essentially
• 2:05:52
  an express trust between me and God. Okay.
• 2:05:56
  Unknown: I get your point. But
• 2:06:00
  God has offered you to their trust.
• 2:06:02
  The entrustment,
• 2:06:04
  we call it trust settlement.
• 2:06:06
  And in a trust settlement, even a common law, and again, I'm using you as a jumping off point. I'm not criticizing you. I don't know everything you're thinking or you did... And you didn't explain much. But let me just talk.
• 2:06:17
  A common law trust
• 2:06:20
  in that arrangement of persons and property is not a corporation. It's not a corpus. It's not
• 2:06:26
  an LLC. It's an arrangement to purchase some property.
• 2:06:30
  In that,
• 2:06:32
  he
• 2:06:34
  offers...
• 2:06:35
  He chooses his beneficiaries.
• 2:06:38
  When people come to me and they want to draft a trust,
• 2:06:42
  I say, well, here's what I want from you. I want you to tell
• 2:06:46
  me who you want to be the beneficiaries of your entrusted property
• 2:06:51
  to enjoy the benefits. They don't own it, but they'll enjoy the benefits of it.
• 2:06:56
  And then I want you to, of course, choose trustees.
• 2:06:58
  But the point is, they've got to choose the beneficiaries and in our common... It's a common law doctrine because trust only exists in common law countries.
• 2:07:07
  That we are free to... We have the freedom to choose
• 2:07:11
  as the New Testament says, ekklektos,
• 2:07:14
  that's where the word elect comes from,
• 2:07:16
  to elect.
• 2:07:18
  To choose. That means in English, to choose the beneficiaries.
• 2:07:22
  God says he did that.
• 2:07:24
  Whom he has
• 2:07:26
  foreordained,
• 2:07:27
  he has chosen.
• 2:07:29
  And that word ekkleiktos doesn't mean anything unless it means to not choose something else or somebody else.
• 2:07:36
  It becomes meaningless. That's the meaning of the Greek word.
• 2:07:40
  So
• 2:07:41
  he chooses beneficiaries,
• 2:07:44
  and you can either hold... Or he holds out his hands and offers it, you can say like Abraham, Genesis chapter 15 verse six, when he confirms that trust settlement of entrusted land to Abraham,
• 2:07:56
  Abraham's first response was
• 2:07:59
  the word amen
• 2:08:00
  in the verb form.
• 2:08:02
  And
• 2:08:06
  it's translated, and he believed
• 2:08:09
  God. Well, really what that means is
• 2:08:13
  amen is a word amen, or we take it into English. It means
• 2:08:17
  to be country rock, to be firm, to be a rock solid as a rock ledge, not a rolling stone, but a insight to rock.
• 2:08:27
  Amen.
• 2:08:28
  And
• 2:08:29
  to put it in the verb form
• 2:08:31
  means that you
• 2:08:33
  affirm
• 2:08:34
  what God just said. Isn't that exactly the way we used it when I was growing up? We used the word that way. Somebody would say, I'd be praying uncle John, Will, Henry,
• 2:08:44
  my granddad's brother, he'd be praying.
• 2:08:47
  And somebody else would say, amen.
• 2:08:49
  What does that mean? That means I affirm.
• 2:08:52
  I affirm.
• 2:08:53
  Here's the question.
• 2:08:55
  God says, I want you as beneficiary.
• 2:08:59
  Do you affirm
• 2:09:01
  like Abraham did in Genesis 15 verse six?
• 2:09:05
  Do you affirm or do you
• 2:09:07
  just ignore him?
• 2:09:09
  I daresay most of the people I'm talking to have just ignored him. Go ahead. Somebody wants to say something?
• 2:09:17
  Carl, you still there?
• 2:09:18
  Unknown: Yeah, I'm here. Sorry, had a call coming in. Oh, Carl, okay. Part... Second part to my my question
• 2:09:25
  is
• 2:09:26
  the state can't
• 2:09:28
  come between
• 2:09:30
  a contract
• 2:09:31
  in part... You know, essentially,
• 2:09:34
  they can't butt inside of a a lawful contract
• 2:09:38
  such as a trust if the trustee
• 2:09:42
  understands
• 2:09:42
  their their own trust.
• 2:09:45
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:09:46
  Unknown: Yeah. As a matter of It's not the illegal trust, meaning, you know, somebody's gonna be harmed.
• 2:09:52
  Unknown: Right.
• 2:09:53
  Well, that's right. Now the the government... The policy of our common law is,
• 2:09:57
  from what I read of cases and what I understand,
• 2:10:02
  our constitution mentions this with respect
• 2:10:05
  to state governments not interfering.
• 2:10:09
  It says the state governments have no authority to interfere and to alter obligation of contract.
• 2:10:15
  But it does not say that respecting
• 2:10:18
  the general government in Washington DC. Why? Well, here's why.
• 2:10:24
  Because that's exactly what bankruptcy is,
• 2:10:27
  interference
• 2:10:28
  and obligation of contracts.
• 2:10:30
  Yes. And our constitution of The United States grants exclusive bankruptcy jurisdiction
• 2:10:35
  to the federal courts, to the federal government.
• 2:10:38
  And the states have no authority
• 2:10:40
  to entertain any
• 2:10:42
  applications
• 2:10:43
  for bankruptcy. And if you go into bankruptcy, you're going into federal court as they've established it in your state. So they have... And federal courts are that way too. And I've watched federal courts interfere in contracts.
• 2:10:54
  Now the policy of our common law is that there... Unless there's a good reason, some... Like you said, Carl, if the thing is made for an
• 2:11:04
  unlawful purpose, the trust or the contract or whatever it is.
• 2:11:08
  But a trust
• 2:11:10
  is
• 2:11:11
  a
• 2:11:12
  species
• 2:11:13
  of what our common law calls the law of promises.
• 2:11:17
  Loosely called the law of contracts, but that's not accurate.
• 2:11:21
  Because the word contract in our common law is reserved
• 2:11:24
  for those quid pro quo arrangements
• 2:11:28
  where two parties come together on an equal level, each looking out for his own
• 2:11:34
  affairs
• 2:11:35
  and his own welfare,
• 2:11:37
  and they cut a deal for mutual... For what they believe is mutual benefit.
• 2:11:42
  That's not a trust.
• 2:11:44
  A trust is part of the law of promises.
• 2:11:47
  There's only one promise, one main promise, and that's the settler and his undertaking to establish the trust. But once he establishes it, then the trustee that agrees
• 2:11:57
  to be trustee,
• 2:11:58
  he has undertaken, that's an English word for promise,
• 2:12:02
  he has promised to do his duty and accepted the responsibility.
• 2:12:06
  Beneficiaries,
• 2:12:07
  what... Do they promise to do anything?
• 2:12:10
  No. They just accept
• 2:12:12
  the benefits.
• 2:12:13
  Isn't that exactly what God did when it came to... He did. He
• 2:12:17
  gives the land. The Bible says He's divided
• 2:12:20
  the land of this place called earth, the lands between the tribes, the tongues, the nations. But
• 2:12:26
  also,
• 2:12:28
  he entrusted
• 2:12:30
  all of that,
• 2:12:31
  every bit of it, and every aspect of it,
• 2:12:34
  to that second member of the Godhead,
• 2:12:38
  the Lord Jesus Christ. And he is
• 2:12:40
  the one that has been put in place to declare and execute and enforce
• 2:12:45
  and enable, even enable, the trust arrangement.
• 2:12:48
  And by his life, death, burial, and resurrection,
• 2:12:52
  he makes possible
• 2:12:54
  the beneficiaries
• 2:12:56
  accepting,
• 2:12:58
  even having
• 2:13:00
  the God given, God derived
• 2:13:03
  power to accept what is right
• 2:13:06
  as the chosen of God.
• 2:13:09
  And that means the power to accept
• 2:13:12
  their inheritance.
• 2:13:15
  Inheritance
• 2:13:17
  doesn't come to everybody.
• 2:13:20
  That ought to be abundantly apparent to anybody that just stops and thinks for a minute. And the Bible says it point blank, and our common law says it also. Inheritance only comes to sons
• 2:13:30
  and daughters by
• 2:13:33
  extension, but it's the same thing. But it does not come to those that are not. And
• 2:13:38
  if you're not a son of God,
• 2:13:40
  if you're not born of the spirit,
• 2:13:43
  if you're not chosen by the father to
• 2:13:46
  begat you,
• 2:13:48
  you're not a son of God. That's the clear
• 2:13:51
  reality
• 2:13:52
  of Christianity.
• 2:13:54
  Anybody who says otherwise
• 2:13:56
  is denying the clear statements of the Bible.
• 2:13:59
  Those that founded America understood that and said it often and taught it. It's called the reformed tradition.
• 2:14:06
  It went by the wayside. It's experiencing somewhat of a resurgence now.
• 2:14:11
  And it doesn't call for explanation and it doesn't call for logic.
• 2:14:15
  It calls for believing
• 2:14:17
  the testimony of fact that God has given us called the Bible.
• 2:14:22
  Well, that's a lot of talk for a short question, Carl. Sorry. I hope I hope I said something and responded to you. If I didn't, tell me. I I
• 2:14:31
  Unknown: enjoyed it, and I apologize I had to leave for a minute. But
• 2:14:35
  That's the beauty of I think you hit the nail on the head, and it's it's that
• 2:14:39
  the
• 2:14:41
  states aren't a party to that trust
• 2:14:44
  or any trust unless the
• 2:14:46
  trustee doesn't know their task
• 2:14:49
  in the trust.
• 2:14:50
  They don't know their obligation,
• 2:14:53
  and they say, yes, court.
• 2:14:55
  I need your help to
• 2:14:57
  distinguish what needs to happen. You know, I'm talking about when a person dies. Uh-huh. And then the state gets involved
• 2:15:05
  and the lawyers are the ones that benefit
• 2:15:09
  because they essentially have to become the trustees of that
• 2:15:13
  or a co trustee of that trust to to help divvy out the amounts and take it to the courts essentially to to finalize it. Well, Carl, you've said important things here, and I'm glad you did. It gives me a chance to
• 2:15:28
  Unknown: flesh it out even more. I'm involved now in a case where I have asked the court
• 2:15:34
  to intervene.
• 2:15:36
  I I had to do that for two reasons. Number one, I had to do it to protect myself as trustee
• 2:15:42
  because a co trustee
• 2:15:45
  would doing things they hadn't ought to be doing. And if I don't
• 2:15:49
  say something,
• 2:15:50
  then I'm liable.
• 2:15:52
  See?
• 2:15:52
  Mhmm. And then if I say something to him and he doesn't change or doesn't comply,
• 2:15:58
  and I've made it abundantly clear, then I'm obligated
• 2:16:02
  to
• 2:16:03
  request the help of a court.
• 2:16:06
  And once you do that, and I knew it, of course, when I did it, once you do that,
• 2:16:12
  you don't know what the court might do because the court will take jurisdiction
• 2:16:16
  over the matter.
• 2:16:19
  He'll honor the court, which come down to the judge, because there's no jury because it's an equity.
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  It's a species
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  of a law of the city.
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  Equity,
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  matters of trust.
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  He'll do it. He'll try not to interfere
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  as much as possible.
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  He'll try to follow the documents as much as possible.
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  But things could get so bad that everybody's wrong and that nobody's complying with the law.
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  He could do any... He can pretty much...
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  He has wide
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  discretionary powers. Once you ask a judge to help,
• 2:16:54
  beware.
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  It's a last resort. As I said a while ago, the only reason to go to court, that's... This is my conclusion now, after
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  practicing law for a few decades,
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  a man shouldn't go to court as the help of a court unless
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  the only way he can get what he thinks he's gotta have is through violence.
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  If the only way you can get what you think justice is through violence,
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  that's... It's time to go to the court.
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  And
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  no one will respond to the law.
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  Lot...
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  Money's being stolen or wasted, and all those things were happening in this case.
• 2:17:30
  And then I asked the help of a judge,
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  and I'm glad it did.
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  That protects me, and it also
• 2:17:38
  stands a better chance of protecting the property because the property looked like it was being flared away flittered away pretty rapidly.
• 2:17:46
  So that's just more of trust law,
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  but the government is the court, and they will intervene if they're asked. Here's another point, Carl, to bring up.
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  Being a trustee is no small matter.
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  You can lose you can lose a lot of your property,
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  a lot of sleep,
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  because people are not trustworthy.
• 2:18:09
  And if you're trying to do the right thing,
• 2:18:11
  you may end up end up have to pay for it all yourself if there's a problem.
• 2:18:17
  And by the way, one more point,
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  trustee,
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  the the patient position called trustee
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  at common law is the highest,
• 2:18:28
  most demanding
• 2:18:30
  by law.
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  Relationship
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  duty
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  in our common law tradition.
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  Breach of trusteeship,
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  to put it bluntly, breach of trusteeship
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  can send you to jail. It's a criminal act. That's not true of other private
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  private
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  promises.
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  I
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  know of a lawyer at home, very close.
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  He was trustee. Lawyers are often asked to be trustees because they've got a license to protect,
• 2:19:02
  and people say, well, he'll surely do the right thing.
• 2:19:06
  It's highly enforced though. And this fella, a good... Everybody liked him. I liked him. He wasn't crooked.
• 2:19:11
  And what he did didn't appear to be crooked. But in trust law, Carl, in trust law, the appearance
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  of wrongdoing equals
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  wrongdoing.
• 2:19:22
  It's not enough to do right as a trustee.
• 2:19:25
  Now, you've got to make it at every point appear
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  right.
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  That means you don't loan trust money
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  to your family members even if you
• 2:19:35
  even if they signed all the paperwork and you can take them to court and sue them and get their house. You just don't do it
• 2:19:42
  because it doesn't look right.
• 2:19:44
  And we had a fellow at home that was trustee, and I don't know what it was about. All I know is this. He took $2,000
• 2:19:50
  out of the trust account,
• 2:19:51
  the entrusted account,
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  put it back within forty eight hours
• 2:19:56
  with a year's worth of interest at 9%.
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  Somebody found out about it, The local prosecutor in a little county there
• 2:20:05
  took him to prosecution.
• 2:20:09
  He lost his law license
• 2:20:11
  and went to state prison for two years. Oh my goodness.
• 2:20:15
  Don't play with trust.
• 2:20:17
  And there's a... I know people in the... In this case I'm in, people
• 2:20:22
  involved were thinking it was all a sham and they could do anything they wanted and even said that.
• 2:20:28
  But
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  that's not true. Be careful.
• 2:20:32
  It's a powerful engine
• 2:20:34
  to protect property and to limit liability,
• 2:20:38
  by the way, just like a corporation,
• 2:20:40
  but you have to know how to set it up. And it'll limit liability
• 2:20:44
  of the beneficiaries.
• 2:20:45
  That's all important.
• 2:20:47
  I love trusts
• 2:20:48
  for that reason, for all the things I'm talking about, but it's a high duty.
• 2:20:52
  That means there's consequences for trying to break the law or trying to pull a fast one as a trustee.
• 2:20:59
  Seek seek seek legal
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  advice because it's the appearance
• 2:21:05
  that must be maintained.
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  Thanks, Carl.
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  Unknown: Brett, you're waiting my... I
• 2:21:13
  Unknown: am. It's good too, by the way. But let me see. Let Rub me it in. Rub it in. Yeah. I love it. Good. One more thing.
• 2:21:22
  We have a trust package on
• 2:21:24
  the website,
• 2:21:25
  and I'm
• 2:21:27
  drafting or putting together a trust book, which is getting out of hand. It's just getting too much. I need to cut it off and put it in print. But in that package
• 2:21:37
  are two trust courses on
• 2:21:40
  how to draft a common law trust and how to operate one, and also
• 2:21:46
  a trust document, a template that I've tried to perfect over the last few decades,
• 2:21:52
  to asset protection trust, protect assets. Go to the website commonlawyer.com,
• 2:21:57
  www.commonlawyer.com,
• 2:22:02
  and look up the the
• 2:22:05
  package,
• 2:22:06
  and you can obtain that. I think an appreciation of the donation is the way it is.
• 2:22:12
  But take advantage of other things that are there. We have courses on contracts and a lot of things that pertain to that, but directly on the trust, we have that.
• 2:22:21
  And those courses are audio and visual. You can watch me and listen, and sheriff Darlie teaches them with me.
• 2:22:29
  Unknown: And He's getting short.
• 2:22:32
  Unknown: Yeah. He's getting what? Short.
• 2:22:35
  What do mean?
• 2:22:36
  Didn't have much time left in his office. Oh, no. That's right. It's on his fifth
• 2:22:41
  term,
• 2:22:42
  matter of fact.
• 2:22:43
  Unknown: And then in the last month, does he get... Is he involved in this election?
• 2:22:48
  Unknown: Oh, he is deeply involved in
• 2:22:50
  the election fraud that went on last time. No. No. I know that, but is he he... Because he's not running again. This is Oh, I don't I don't know that he is. I I might just think he will. He wasn't. Okay. Well, I I get the impression his his wife is the old thing. You know, I think his wife said, oh, that's enough and... But he feels compelled to do something, you know. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. So it's... The question is still out. Yeah. Yeah. Was
• 2:23:14
  Unknown: that Julie trying to say something? Yeah. When I asked Brent a question.
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  Unknown: Okay, Julie.
• 2:23:20
  Unknown: Hi, Brent. Thank you for everything. Your, speech today was amazing.
• 2:23:26
  I've just got a quick question. Let's say that there are two co trustees
• 2:23:31
  of a trust
• 2:23:33
  and they get in a big fight with one another and of course they go to court over anger.
• 2:23:39
  Let's say that the one trustee who initiated
• 2:23:42
  the lawsuit,
• 2:23:45
  they go through depositions
• 2:23:46
  and they go through
• 2:23:48
  all of the derogatory and all of that stuff, depositions and everything, derogatory and everything. So let's say that the
• 2:23:55
  guy who sued the second co trustee
• 2:23:59
  decides to withdraw
• 2:24:01
  his case and not proceed forward.
• 2:24:05
  Now let's say that he wants to bring it back up again.
• 2:24:09
  So if he wants to bring it up a second time, my question to you is this, are those depositions
• 2:24:14
  that were already used in a former court case, can those be used again in a second lawsuit?
• 2:24:21
  Well, yeah, as a fundamental general matter, I don't know all the details, but those are sworn statements, you see. Yep. Yep. So those are... My answer was yes, but I just... I thought it was yes as well, but I just wanted to confirm with you that whatever he said in those sworn statements before
• 2:24:37
  can be used against him if he decides to go through with a second lawsuit. So there's some That's right. Things in there that could be damaging
• 2:24:45
  in terms of damaging his case based on what he said. There are Sure. Yeah. Depositions
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  Unknown: where your people bring in, you're put under penalty perjury, ask you questions,
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  Interrogatories
• 2:25:00
  are written questions they exchange.
• 2:25:03
  Unknown: Right. But they're both under penalty of perjury's management. Of course. Of course. Yeah.
• 2:25:08
  So any of those, now that he pulled the lawsuit before now wants to reopen it again depending on what he said in writing or verbally when he was given... When he was doing his verbal depositions can be used against him in a second court case. So I just need to keep that in mind. I'm trying to help a couple people and Mhmm. Not so sure that this is gonna go well because
• 2:25:30
  when I was on the phone with them the first time for four hours
• 2:25:34
  they failed for me that they had already done what I was recommending them to do, and I don't understand why that was not...
• 2:25:41
  That's such a material statement that I needed to know because the first thing I would've asked for was did you guys do
• 2:25:48
  depositions
• 2:25:49
  and interrogatories?
• 2:25:50
  And if yes, I need to read those because you may not... Those may go against you in a second court case depending on what you said under oath or under penalty of perjury.
• 2:26:00
  Unknown: Here's the... Yeah. Here's the fun... That's good. And,
• 2:26:04
  course, I don't... As I said, I don't know all the facts. I'm not giving legal advice because I don't know all the facts. I'm just saying as a general matter, it's always up to the judge what he'll let in evidence. But sworn statements can be can be dangerous. When you go to court
• 2:26:19
  when you go to court, number one,
• 2:26:24
  the things that you may think won't be exposed will be. Yep. Be be prepared
• 2:26:30
  that your whole life, I mean your whole life and anybody you care about is gonna be on the front burner sooner or later.
• 2:26:37
  That's what... That discourages people from going to court, and that's probably a good thing.
• 2:26:42
  Live a decent live a decent life as much as you can, and we all have a past. All of us. I don't care how pristine a guy looks. He's a sinner. The Bible says so. I've seen it, and it's the truth.
• 2:26:55
  Unknown: Yeah. I don't I
• 2:26:57
  Unknown: don't... This one... This this case is so evil, Brent. I can't even see straight. It is just so evil. It's probably the evilest thing I've ever seen a son-in-law do to,
• 2:27:08
  his
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  his,
• 2:27:11
  his sister in laws and and brother in laws. And so and then he just basically stole everything. And when the mother was 88 years old and she was the
• 2:27:21
  grantor she had him change the
• 2:27:24
  trust
• 2:27:25
  so that it only benefited him and his family and made his children the beneficiaries, but none of the other grandchildren. There's about six people involved here and then grandchildren involved. And
• 2:27:38
  and, you know, the weird thing is I know in Virginia, you don't have to have a notarized amendment to a
• 2:27:45
  to a trust. However,
• 2:27:47
  you know, they... The the the
• 2:27:50
  mother
• 2:27:50
  never did financials, never understood financials. The father did it and that's that's why when he passed away, she was not made trustee.
• 2:27:58
  That's a big problem right there. Big huge problem and he went over there when she was 88 years old and said sign this and it wasn't notarized but the first amendment was notarized and the trust was notarized so I think that's case precedent there
• 2:28:11
  where the second one... And she was 88 years old. You made... You went over there and coursed her into signing something something she didn't understand.
• 2:28:18
  She gave everything everything to them and took... And and nothing nothing to the children. Sounds like the Jesuits.
• 2:28:25
  Unknown: What state are you in? Virginia.
• 2:28:28
  Yeah. There's no telling what's behind all that. It's a big chunk of money, but
• 2:28:33
  you swear to things... Oh, by the way,
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  an
• 2:28:38
  notary...
• 2:28:39
  All a notary does is says,
• 2:28:42
  yep.
• 2:28:43
  That is the person
• 2:28:45
  Unknown: whose name's on there. It's the same person that signed it. That's all they're saying. That's it. Yeah. I get that. But when you have the first two notarized and then the second one not notarized,
• 2:28:59
  I don't know. I get what you're saying a 100%, Brent, but it just seems to me like there would be grounds
• 2:29:04
  Unknown: for potentially throwing them... That out just because of the precedence was set for the prior two documents. Well They have a comment. The... In in our day, you can get on the Internet and find answers to all those questions in the state of Virginia. And the state of Virginia has... It's a sovereign state. It has its own courts and all those decisions,
• 2:29:23
  and they'll have them on the questions you're wondering about. They'll tell you exactly. That's amazing what you can find.
• 2:29:28
  Unknown: Can I hear mister Beaner here? Yeah.
• 2:29:32
  Unknown: Yeah. I got a quick question. The first two were notarized,
• 2:29:35
  so it's a foregone conclusion that she actually signed them and she wasn't being coerced.
• 2:29:42
  Unknown: Well, looks like her it like her it looks like her signature on the second amendment is not her signature. Looks like it was copied and pasted off of the first
• 2:29:51
  one of the first two documents. Doesn't even look like her signature, looks like a forged signature.
• 2:29:56
  Unknown: Okay, well then that takes me to my second point.
• 2:30:00
  The best course of action in my humble opinion would be to not only
• 2:30:07
  gather any evidence around that timeframe as far as
• 2:30:13
  the mother's
• 2:30:15
  mental faculties
• 2:30:16
  and the quality or lack thereof,
• 2:30:19
  and also
• 2:30:20
  whether or not
• 2:30:22
  a case could be made for if it was signed under coercion
• 2:30:26
  or
• 2:30:27
  whether that signature is a forgery.
• 2:30:31
  You can question the validity of the third signature.
• 2:30:35
  Yep. Mhmm. That... And that's the only thing I could say.
• 2:30:40
  Unknown: That's good. And
• 2:30:42
  when I didn't have
• 2:30:43
  that fact in my head, and and Paul makes the point that if it looks like it's fake, well, then the note the note... Or the... Yeah. The notary can become important.
• 2:30:53
  And then the other thing is,
• 2:30:56
  keep in mind in a in a noncriminal case,
• 2:30:59
  the standard of proof is more likely than not.
• 2:31:03
  In a criminal case, the standard of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt.
• 2:31:08
  Yeah. Well, you know But wait. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Beyond a reasonable doubt. And then between those two is equity, and that's where you are. And the standard of equity is between
• 2:31:19
  beyond a reasonable doubt
• 2:31:21
  and
• 2:31:22
  more likely than not, and it's called clear and convincing. The proof is still... That's pretty high. Clear and convincing,
• 2:31:29
  Unknown: whatever you're trying to prove. Go ahead. You started to say something. No. No. Was just gonna add that, you know, there's a bank account involved, and and the son-in-law has just used it like his own little own bank account and not given any financials to the rest of the
• 2:31:44
  of the siblings. And by the way, when he had this second amendment signed,
• 2:31:51
  where he, I believe, coerced the mother into signing it, he didn't tell any of the siblings what he had done until after she passed.
• 2:31:59
  So none of them knew anything until after she passed. I just feel like this is just I don't understand why the first case what happened in the first case but again I don't have all the I didn't even know there was a first case. I don't have
• 2:32:11
  to read all of the depositions
• 2:32:13
  and the interrogatories
• 2:32:14
  that took place on that and whether or not that's gonna count against them or not. But thank you for...
• 2:32:20
  You know, Kirk,
• 2:32:22
  I paid $175
• 2:32:24
  for your trust class a long time ago, year and a half ago, I still haven't taken it. I need to get back on your site and take it.
• 2:32:31
  Yeah. You better do that. And if you have a problem, then email the people concerned about their I will. They'll take care of I just haven't had a chance to do it, but I I tend to do so because your your knowledge about this is very comprehensive, and I appreciate you. So I hope you have a nice weekend, and thank you for coming on today and answering my question. God bless you. Well mean, Julie. You know? Yeah, go ahead. One
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  Unknown: other one other question. Remember what Brent said about $2,000
• 2:32:58
  that was taken out and put back forty eight hours later with the year's interest?
• 2:33:03
  You might also be able to
• 2:33:05
  to make a point of judicial
• 2:33:08
  or or trust misconduct,
• 2:33:11
  fiduciary misconduct
• 2:33:14
  as the trustee.
• 2:33:15
  If he's... If he was using the account as his personal piggy bank, then Yep. He's on the hook for that.
• 2:33:22
  Unknown: 100%.
• 2:33:24
  Unknown: Yeah. You know what? Hey, Brent. Yeah. Who's this? Larry?
• 2:33:29
  Yeah. It's Larry. I've got three questions when you're ready.
• 2:33:32
  Unknown: Okay.
• 2:33:33
  Really, wait a minute. Before you go on, I'm eating. I'm feeding my face, but poor Roger. Roger, you're free to go. You don't... I appreciate you.
• 2:33:42
  Unknown: Well, it doesn't have a lot of pertinence to me. I did go get my extension of my drink here, and I've been back listening. But if I disappear, you know, just color me gone. I'll see you tomorrow. Okay. Yeah. I can I can kill a little time and give I can kill a little time and give Brent an opportunity to finish eating?
• 2:34:02
  Unknown: Brent, did you hear the story about the preacher and the grizzly?
• 2:34:08
  Unknown: Well,
• 2:34:09
  just that song, but what
• 2:34:11
  Unknown: Okay. Well well, you see, there was this country preacher, and he decided to skip Sunday services to go hiking. We we went on this early. He gave us all story earlier.
• 2:34:22
  As he as he rounds a sharp bend on the trail, he collides with a massive grizzly grizzly bear and tumbles down a steep slope breaking both of his legs.
• 2:34:33
  The ferocious bear begins to charge toward him. Unable to move, the terrified preacher closes his eyes and prays, oh, Lord, I am so sorry for skipping services today.
• 2:34:44
  Please forgive me and grant me just one wish. Make a Christian out of that bear that's coming at me. Suddenly, the giant bear skids to a halt. To the preacher's absolute amazement, the beast drops to his knees, clasps his front paws together, and looks up to the sky.
• 2:35:01
  This preacher's shaking his head. It's a miracle.
• 2:35:05
  He cries out. He can't believe it. And then the bear clears his throat, bows his head, and says aloud,
• 2:35:11
  dear lord, please bless this food I'm about to receive.
• 2:35:18
  Unknown: You go.
• 2:35:19
  Know. Twist.
• 2:35:21
  Unknown: Yeah.
• 2:35:22
  Need to put music to it. Yeah. Thank you, Paul. Oh, Larry, are you there? Yes. Yes. So first question is, you're
• 2:35:31
  Unknown: telling the story about this attorney who
• 2:35:34
  withdrew
• 2:35:35
  $2,000
• 2:35:36
  out of a trust and then put it back forty eight hours later. Do you think the the the penalties
• 2:35:41
  were severe?
• 2:35:44
  Because as you've taught in the past, all trusts are common law trusts because it is a common law trust. That's what makes the penalty so severe.
• 2:35:53
  Unknown: No. That's not what... I don't... Never thought of it that way. I just know that...
• 2:35:57
  Let me try to respond in a meaningful way. What
• 2:36:02
  happened to that guy? And I like that guy. I never knew him. He was he was the only lawyer in town. There was a town square, a courthouse. As far as I know, he was the only lawyer on the courthouse square. And people loved him. I liked him.
• 2:36:15
  But the penalty has to be high. And the courts have
• 2:36:20
  consistently said through the decades
• 2:36:23
  that when it comes to
• 2:36:25
  fiduciary duty, and that's what a trust is, it's not an arm's length relationship,
• 2:36:30
  it's fiduciary, that means the trustee has to look out
• 2:36:35
  for the
• 2:36:37
  benefit of the beneficiaries
• 2:36:39
  even if it cost him.
• 2:36:42
  You know, that's that's that's the standard. It doesn't make any difference what it cost the trustee. He's got to protect the beneficiary's interest, beneficiary's
• 2:36:49
  property, integrity of the trust arrangement above all things in his life.
• 2:36:54
  That's how high it is. There's a famous quote that's come out of our courts in a case called...
• 2:37:00
  It's called Mana Salmon versus
• 2:37:03
  Maynard or something. But the quote goes like this,
• 2:37:07
  the duty of a trustee
• 2:37:10
  is far above that of the workaday world.
• 2:37:14
  Workaday world. This is from the highest court in the state of New York back in the 1920s,
• 2:37:21
  a workaday a workaday world, and it says that
• 2:37:25
  a punk... Here's the a memorable phrase.
• 2:37:28
  It requires a trustee's duty, requires the
• 2:37:32
  punctilio
• 2:37:34
  of an honor
• 2:37:36
  the most
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  sensitive.
• 2:37:39
  And that's not Kant, and that's not hyperbole.
• 2:37:43
  That's what he means.
• 2:37:44
  This is as high as high it gets
• 2:37:47
  down here on Earth.
• 2:37:49
  As a matter of fact, it's so high that it's fashioned
• 2:37:53
  after the statement of the Bible
• 2:37:55
  that says in the Old Testament in the prophetical section,
• 2:38:00
  one of the prophetical sections, it says that the Messiah of God
• 2:38:04
  keeps his word,
• 2:38:06
  that means his commitment, his undertaking,
• 2:38:10
  even
• 2:38:11
  to his own
• 2:38:13
  hurt.
• 2:38:13
  Now, I'm going use you as an example,
• 2:38:16
  Larry. You don't have to comment, but you told some things a while ago. I dare say, Larry,
• 2:38:23
  that you're dealing with your family, you're dealing with trouble, you're dealing with hardship,
• 2:38:28
  and you said it's been hard. Yeah. I get it.
• 2:38:30
  But you, I bet you... Well, you don't have to say it. I'll say it. I'll bet
• 2:38:36
  you
• 2:38:37
  dealt
• 2:38:38
  and and and looked out for the benefit of your family
• 2:38:42
  to your own hurt
• 2:38:44
  while you're trying to make a living in the circumstances you were in?
• 2:38:48
  You don't have to answer that. That's my conclusion.
• 2:38:51
  You it out of you looked out of their
• 2:38:54
  benefit
• 2:38:55
  more than your own.
• 2:38:57
  And that means, as the Old Testament says, and that's the King James says it that way, to your own hurt.
• 2:39:04
  It doesn't make any difference what it does to me. For example, it says in the Bible that a man is to be willing to lay
• 2:39:12
  down his life for his wife,
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  for her benefit,
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  as Jesus Christ laid down his life for the benefit of his people.
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  That's the standard of fiduciary relationship.
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  A man will lay down his life for his own country. It's happened more times than we could count.
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  A soldier's duty in war is fiduciary.
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  He may have to give up his life or the enjoyment of his life
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  by doing it. That's why it's important to fight for the right reasons.
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  So you bring that up,
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  part of our common law tradition. Our common law tradition, the bread and butter of our common law tradition is private law, has nothing to do with the government.
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  And the trust is a big part of that.
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  But the penalty
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  is as high as a crime,
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  a breach.
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  So don't look to be a trustee, and if you decide to be one, make sure that you know what you're doing and seek good advice.
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  Again, it's not whether or not your intentions are true. Your intentions don't matter.
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  Appearance
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  equals
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  reality.
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  Appearance of wrongdoing
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  equals wrongdoing.
• 2:40:25
  An appearance
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  of right doing or right doing has to have the appearance as well. And that's true in the Christian life.
• 2:40:32
  We will know them by their fruits. We've got to see
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  external
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  expression
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  of our love
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  for our maker,
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  our God,
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  and for our family.
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  You can't just, you know, people say, well, my wife knows I love her.
• 2:40:51
  No, she doesn't. You've got to tell her. And if you've been married, you know that. I don't care how well you provide for her, she wants you to tell her, and if you don't, you're in trouble.
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  There has to be that outward expression. The same thing is true in relationship to your Maker.
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  That's why the Bible says,
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  confess with your mouth.
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  Say it out loud
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  that Jesus Christ is Lord,
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  and you are subservient
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  to Him.
• 2:41:18
  You gotta say it with your mouth. And here's the way it works, though. You don't gotta say it with your mouth.
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  You will.
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  If you really believe it, it's gonna come out.
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  We live in a physical, tangible world. We don't live in a world that's spirit,
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  that we can't... That's all we got. No, we got a physical world that we're in touch with, and we understand
• 2:41:39
  God made it that way, and that's as important as the spiritual
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  part of it, that's what our physical world is a function of.
• 2:41:48
  Everything is physical and tangible to us. That's what we understand.
• 2:41:52
  We've got to say it. We've got to do it. We've got to show it. Show me a man's
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  trust
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  without works, says the apostle James, and I'll show you a man's trust by his works.
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  In other words, you got to have the evidence. We're nothing but mortals. Everything God does is to establish evidence. Nothing that He does, He doesn't do without good evidence. When the final judgment comes,
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  the books will be opened,
• 2:42:22
  and the evidence will be recited.
• 2:42:24
  Not for God's benefit, He knows. He knows all things. There never was a time He did not know all that He could know about you.
• 2:42:31
  But He opens the book so that all of His
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  non
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  deity creatures,
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  His creation,
• 2:42:39
  men and angels,
• 2:42:40
  He presents the evidence to glorify himself, justify himself when he hurls.
• 2:42:47
  Jesus Christ hurls men into hell.
• 2:42:51
  He's going to be justified.
• 2:42:53
  Due process, as one famous comparative lawyer says at that point, due process
• 2:42:59
  will be meticulously
• 2:43:01
  observed.
• 2:43:03
  So nobody can say
• 2:43:05
  that everybody didn't have a fair shake no matter what happens.
• 2:43:09
  So that's the way it's going to end up. But a trust is that way too. Evidence.
• 2:43:13
  Outward expression
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  is evidence. Words,
• 2:43:16
  deeds, actions. If you're a trustee, keep a record.
• 2:43:20
  That's outward evidence. Write it down in a composition book according to date every time you do something with the trust or have a meeting.
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  Evidence.
• 2:43:30
  We live on evidence. We don't have anything else but evidence. Christianity is a matter of evidence.
• 2:43:36
  And the Bible is the evidence. Creation is the evidence.
• 2:43:40
  And if you're just
• 2:43:42
  into some mushy spiritual,
• 2:43:44
  I just believe because I have a feeling in my gut,
• 2:43:48
  forget it. God doesn't operate that way.
• 2:43:51
  God Who's gives you a solid
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  Unknown: that, Larry or Carl? Yeah, I think the verse you are referring to is Romans ten:nine-ten,
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  that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
• 2:44:07
  And I would argue that the belief in the heart occurs first, and then the confession
• 2:44:11
  from the mouth is automatic.
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  Unknown: Would you agree with that? Yeah. The confession is the product
• 2:44:19
  of what God does on the inside. He gives you the new birth, a new heart. And then the confession and the deeds, the good deeds
• 2:44:26
  are the result of salvation.
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  Thank you, Larry. Are the result of salvation, not the cause.
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  See, the Roman the Roman doctrine is salvation,
• 2:44:37
  the cause of salvation is good works.
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  All false religions says the cause of salvation,
• 2:44:43
  safety from hell, is being a good little boy or girl. God says, no. The cause of salvation is me,
• 2:44:52
  and I choose
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  to beget you by the new birth.
• 2:44:56
  That's the cause of safety, not you. I'm reminded of that story. A good set
• 2:45:02
  of volumes I recommended to this crowd called The History of the Church in England.
• 2:45:07
  The History of Christianity, rather, in England,
• 2:45:10
  written by a French speaking Swissman
• 2:45:13
  whose name I cannot pronounce,
• 2:45:15
  but that's okay.
• 2:45:17
  You can look it up. Bestseller in England for decades,
• 2:45:21
  right behind the Bible of Pilgrim's Progress.
• 2:45:24
  I've read it two or three times. It's so good. The research is so complete. He goes clear back to the first century with Joseph of Arimathea,
• 2:45:32
  brings it forward.
• 2:45:33
  But he starts telling the story about this Italian priest
• 2:45:38
  who was touched by the Reformation,
• 2:45:41
  which, of course, was saying salvation is not by works.
• 2:45:45
  It's 199%,
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  just to make no mistake,
• 2:45:49
  by God, not you.
• 2:45:52
  You are the elect.
• 2:45:53
  And that was the whole story of the Reformation. But Rome, they had this priest that was picking up on that after the Reformation got going in the North Of Europe, and the Bible, see, he got to be front and center. People started reading it and say, Wait a minute.
• 2:46:06
  Here's what it says that happens here. God chooses me. I don't choose Him. It says it right here. See, they started reading that stuff.
• 2:46:13
  And then this priest caught on to it, and they said, Oh, boy. Started preaching it, and they said, We've to do something.
• 2:46:20
  So they did what they do. The canon law is they take him to Inquisition. They call it trial. It's not trial, it's Inquisition.
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  Inquisitorial
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  system.
• 2:46:29
  But they liked the guy, and so his colleagues said, listen, let's see if we can save his life. We'll give him if I told this story last week, please bear with me, there are people here that probably haven't heard it.
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  We'll give him three chances to save his life.
• 2:46:44
  We'll ask him three questions. And out of the three questions, if he gets any one of the three right, then we'll exonerate him, and we won't burn him at the stake.
• 2:46:53
  Of course, I know the church says they don't do that. They turn them over to the temporal powers, and they burn them. But you know what I mean. The church is responsible for burning people at stake.
• 2:47:03
  Well, so they asked him the first question out of three. He only had to get one right, and the first question was, what's the first cause of salvation?
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  He thought for a minute, he said, well,
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  Jesus Christ.
• 2:47:15
  They said, well then, what's the second cause?
• 2:47:18
  Well,
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  said,
• 2:47:21
  well, Jesus Christ.
• 2:47:24
  They said, Oh, boy, he's got one more chance to save his life. Don't we just ask him, What's the third cause of salvation? He thought for a minute.
• 2:47:32
  He said, I'd have to say Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ, He says the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning, the middle, and the end,
• 2:47:41
  the author
• 2:47:42
  and the finisher
• 2:47:44
  of our faith.
• 2:47:46
  Jesus Christ.
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  Burn him at the stake.
• 2:47:50
  He failed. But he was right.
• 2:47:53
  And
• 2:47:54
  when he got before the maker of heaven and earth,
• 2:47:58
  the second member of the Godhead,
• 2:48:02
  he was exonerated because he didn't depend upon himself and anything he did, it depended upon
• 2:48:09
  Jesus Christ. That's what trust is. Trust is plenary.
• 2:48:14
  It doesn't... It's not God helps them what help themselves. That's not in the Bible anywhere.
• 2:48:20
  What it says is God
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  helps him who admits
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  he is utterly,
• 2:48:26
  a 190%
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  helpless
• 2:48:29
  and cannot save himself.
• 2:48:31
  Foul, I to the fountain fly,
• 2:48:34
  wash me Savior or I die.
• 2:48:36
  That's Christianity.
• 2:48:38
  That was Andy Jackson's famous favorite hymn, Andy Jackson, and they requested they
• 2:48:45
  sing it at his funeral.
• 2:48:48
  There at the Hermitage north of Nashville,
• 2:48:51
  President Jackson,
• 2:48:52
  how firm a foundation,
• 2:48:54
  ye saints of the Lord,
• 2:48:57
  is laid for your faith in His excellent word.
• 2:49:00
  What more can he say than to you, he has said,
• 2:49:04
  than to you
• 2:49:05
  who for refuge
• 2:49:08
  to Jesus have fled.
• 2:49:11
  Fear not, I am with thee, and be not dismayed. I am thy God.
• 2:49:16
  I will still give thee aid, I will strengthen thee, comfort thee,
• 2:49:20
  cause thee to stand by the power
• 2:49:23
  of my outstretched omnipotent
• 2:49:26
  hand.
• 2:49:27
  To the soul who on Jesus
• 2:49:30
  hath leaned for repose,
• 2:49:32
  I will not,
• 2:49:34
  I will not
• 2:49:36
  desert to his foes.
• 2:49:38
  That soul,
• 2:49:39
  though all hell
• 2:49:41
  should endeavor
• 2:49:43
  to break,
• 2:49:45
  I will never,
• 2:49:47
  no never,
• 2:49:49
  no never,
• 2:49:51
  forsake.
• 2:49:52
  There are five negatives in that song, and that song is drawn directly
• 2:49:56
  from the book of Hebrews where the Hebrew text says,
• 2:50:01
  I will never,
• 2:50:02
  never,
• 2:50:03
  never, never, never
• 2:50:06
  forsake you or leave you.
• 2:50:08
  We depend on Him. Oh, He wants us to, as the result
• 2:50:13
  of what He's done for us, He says the product of your Christian life, the new birth, is you want to obey Me. That's what He wants. But that doesn't save you. You don't get into the Kingdom of Heaven
• 2:50:24
  by what you do. And listen to this. It's true on the flip side also. You don't get out because you've done something bad. It doesn't work that way. God does not deal with men
• 2:50:36
  for eternity
• 2:50:37
  on the basis of whether or not they
• 2:50:41
  are obeying him.
• 2:50:43
  He will discipline you
• 2:50:45
  to get you to obey him more. Don't worry about it. I've had people say, oh, well, if that's true, I can just do anything I want. And my answer is always the same. Do you think that? Yeah, I think that then. Well, you just go ahead and try it and see what happens, but don't come back whining to me. Because if you do that, and you are born from above,
• 2:51:03
  God will make you wish you were dead sometimes. And how do I know that? Cause the Bible says it over and over and over, and also I can give personal testimony to it.
• 2:51:14
  God will take you to a woodshed.
• 2:51:16
  You're his son, his daughter. He's not going to throw you to the wolves.
• 2:51:21
  He's going to discipline you, just like your mother or father may have done to you. The difference is your mother and father were not perfect parents.
• 2:51:29
  They messed up a lot, we all do.
• 2:51:32
  But God is perfect.
• 2:51:34
  He didn't mess up.
• 2:51:36
  And all that the Father gives to the Son,
• 2:51:39
  says Jesus Christ,
• 2:51:41
  He loses none.
• 2:51:43
  None.
• 2:51:45
  The Bible says He keeps them. He safeguards
• 2:51:49
  We are His wards.
• 2:51:51
  He's responsible for us.
• 2:51:53
  100%
• 2:51:54
  again. And that's just the message of the of the bible. Cover to cover. Well, thanks for bringing all that up. I better go. Brett. Always a pleasure, buddy.
• 2:52:05
  Roger, he
• 2:52:07
  Unknown: Alright. You asked.
• 2:52:09
  Unknown: Go ahead. It's Larry. I'm on question number two out of three. Oh. Okay.
• 2:52:15
  Yeah. So you mentioned a little while ago that the only responsibility of a notary is to ensure that the
• 2:52:22
  signature on the document
• 2:52:25
  is the actual signature of the person.
• 2:52:28
  And I was wondering...
• 2:52:30
  I I think that's only true for acknowledgments.
• 2:52:33
  But when you sign a jurat,
• 2:52:35
  which is a sworn statement,
• 2:52:37
  isn't the notary supposed to have you raise your right hand and say, do you swear,
• 2:52:42
  Unknown: attest, or affirm that the facts stated therein are true? And you're supposed to say yes, and then you Well, Larry. And then you sign the document? Larry, you're on top of it, and that's true in a lot of states, and that's vigorously import... Enforced, and I've signed documents in states where the notary
• 2:52:59
  swears you orally.
• 2:53:02
  But
• 2:53:03
  a lot of states don't do that at all, don't take it that serious.
• 2:53:06
  But in all cases,
• 2:53:08
  when you sign, the jurat is there. If you read the inscription, it'll say whatever they put there, I
• 2:53:15
  do a test. The notary says, I swear
• 2:53:18
  that this person is
• 2:53:20
  who he says he is. Appears before me. Appears before me in person, and I swear to it. So it's the notary that's doing the swearing unless
• 2:53:30
  And here's the thing you're referring to: a notary is licensed
• 2:53:34
  and therefore does have authority
• 2:53:37
  to swear you if that has to be done too.
• 2:53:40
  Are two things that can go on here. So let's go back up again. The notary is swearing
• 2:53:47
  to who that you are the person you hold yourself out to be by sufficient proof, whatever that is, driver's license, passport, or I just know the guy personally. That's good enough too.
• 2:53:58
  Secondly,
• 2:54:00
  then
• 2:54:01
  the notary is licensed
• 2:54:03
  to administer the oath.
• 2:54:06
  That's a special position, has to be by license,
• 2:54:09
  and if you want to
• 2:54:11
  sign under penalties of perjury, the notary has power to to get that done.
• 2:54:18
  I'm in. So again, we're learning more here. I'm glad you brought that up. And I thought it through again too. Yeah, that's what happens.
• 2:54:26
  Unknown: In New York,
• 2:54:29
  the notary will have the person who's signing
• 2:54:32
  raise their hand and swear that
• 2:54:36
  not only are they the person
• 2:54:39
  named,
• 2:54:42
  but also that they are
• 2:54:45
  signing
• 2:54:46
  of their own volition and not under any force or coercion.
• 2:54:51
  Actually recover it and that they're of sound mind.
• 2:54:56
  Unknown: Uh-huh.
• 2:54:57
  Yeah. And so
• 2:54:59
  New York takes it serious. I know California takes it real serious.
• 2:55:03
  And there are a few other states, but a lot of states don't
• 2:55:06
  take it serious at all. Know, just pay your couple
• 2:55:09
  of bucks and they'll stamp it for you and that's it.
• 2:55:13
  Unknown: Comment? Yeah.
• 2:55:14
  Go ahead. I think that, I just wanna chime in here again. I think that when you're, you know, 88 years old approaching 90 that these laws need to be changed because
• 2:55:26
  there's a reason why this person was not made a trustee of the trust after
• 2:55:32
  her husband died.
• 2:55:34
  She just did not ever do financials and understand
• 2:55:37
  contractual
• 2:55:38
  agreements.
• 2:55:40
  She did other things. And so if you're not an expert in that, you don't ask as a notary, do you understand what you're signing here?
• 2:55:47
  And it's not
• 2:55:49
  done that way, then that makes that document or that contract null and void,
• 2:55:55
  if you've got a
• 2:55:57
  family member who's really not an original family member, not a bloodline,
• 2:56:02
  trying to take away
• 2:56:04
  assets that
• 2:56:06
  that legally
• 2:56:07
  Unknown: belong to Yeah. You're... But you're not... It doesn't make the contract null and void. It it just... The contract
• 2:56:14
  never existed to start with because what you're saying is she never had competence to contract.
• 2:56:20
  Yep. Absolutely. But yet, that's a that's a fact... She did not know what she was signing at all. That's a fact question that you have to prove with external
• 2:56:30
  expressive evidence. You gotta find evidence that those things are true and present it to the court. You're saying it's not enough. Julie, I shudder
• 2:56:38
  Unknown: at times in my own personal experience with my mother
• 2:56:42
  that
• 2:56:44
  women almost always outlive their husbands.
• 2:56:47
  Yeah. Almost always the husbands have handled the finances.
• 2:56:51
  They get the whole estate, whatever they require dumped in her lap,
• 2:56:56
  and she doesn't know, like you said, the first thing about it, she's subject to influence.
• 2:57:02
  She doesn't have any idea, and and it's just too bad because there's been a lot of property stolen off of that little situation right there. Well, let's let's expand it. In this case, it's 100... It's almost a 100% of the property, and it it... If there's a lot involved here in terms of I'm this
• 2:57:20
  isn't an isolated incident. Go ahead, Brent. Let's expand this concept of competence.
• 2:57:26
  Unknown: According to God, and I'm not saying this, to God,
• 2:57:30
  a woman's capacity to contract is limited
• 2:57:34
  because of her lack of discernment,
• 2:57:37
  not because of her old age. Old age could make it worse. But according to the Bible, a woman's capacity
• 2:57:43
  to contract
• 2:57:44
  is limited by what her husband or her father decides.
• 2:57:48
  And if she doesn't have a husband, in the end, the contract can be undone if it's done properly
• 2:57:55
  before a certain period of time. But
• 2:57:59
  that can can figure in...
• 2:58:02
  Unknown: I love that word. Lack of discernment. Thank you. I'm gonna write that down. I love it. I love that. That's even more powerful than age. Lack of discernment. Thank you, Brent. Well,
• 2:58:12
  Unknown: there's a... You can look it up in the Bible and then how that plays out.
• 2:58:17
  It's unpopular to say that,
• 2:58:20
  but that's part of the government of...
• 2:58:22
  That God has given to man to understand
• 2:58:25
  the roles of men and women and who has a capacity to do what and to what degree. That's
• 2:58:31
  important there too. But the law...
• 2:58:33
  The law will recognize that kind of thing
• 2:58:36
  if it's beneficial to the powerful party. I've watched it in court.
• 2:58:40
  But the law in most states in America says that there's an equal capacity between men and women. Of course, now, for a long time in America, a woman had no capacity to contract
• 2:58:51
  outside her husband's will, whatever he wanted.
• 2:58:55
  Then that was a very conservative position, but it was until very recently.
• 2:59:00
  Then that was biblical, but it was more than biblical. It went further than the Bible, see. The Bible says a woman has a capacity to contract,
• 2:59:08
  but it's limited.
• 2:59:09
  But they went all the way and said, Well,
• 2:59:13
  doctrine of the
• 2:59:16
  man and woman becoming an item in marriage
• 2:59:19
  means that
• 2:59:22
  the man and woman has one vote.
• 2:59:25
  The man woman, man and woman, the husband and wife, have capacity to contract
• 2:59:31
  as man and woman.
• 2:59:32
  I mean, they really did this intensely. And I don't criticize it because when that happened,
• 2:59:38
  the family was very strong in America.
• 2:59:41
  And now that that's gone and it's abused,
• 2:59:44
  abuse of women and children has never been higher per capita,
• 2:59:47
  and the family has gone to the dogs. Mean, we don't even have it anymore. It's
• 2:59:52
  amazing. The more I look around, I'm even shocked at what I see. Yep.
• 2:59:57
  Marriage means nothing to anybody.
• 3:00:00
  And we've lost our
• 3:00:01
  shame and our sensitivity.
• 3:00:05
  Unknown: We've lost our moral fabric.
• 3:00:07
  Unknown: Well, you call it moral, and it is, and that it's become Moral a
• 3:00:12
  Unknown: ethical. They're... Everybody's out for themselves,
• 3:00:15
  etcetera.
• 3:00:16
  Yeah. I think have a message there.
• 3:00:19
  Unknown: Well, there's a... You have something just a minute. Hang on. Hold on. Brent's Yeah. Okay. Who's got an alarm going off?
• 3:00:25
  Unknown: Roger.
• 3:00:26
  Unknown: Roger sandwich. Robert Brent's saying it's time for him to leave. Oh.
• 3:00:31
  Unknown: I got my third question ready, Brent, whenever you're ready. Go for it. Go for it. Go for it. Yeah. So a little while ago, you said to Julie that Virginia is a sovereign state.
• 3:00:42
  So by and large, no man or woman in any one of the union states is sovereign.
• 3:00:48
  It is the collection
• 3:00:50
  of... It's the collective body of people as a whole that is sovereign. Would you agree with that? Because
• 3:00:56
  you've taught in the past that in America, there's three sovereigns. There's obviously god at the top,
• 3:01:01
  and then the federal government is a sovereign.
• 3:01:04
  And each union state is a sovereign in which someone is domiciled.
• 3:01:09
  Do you agree with that?
• 3:01:11
  Unknown: Well,
• 3:01:12
  no, because I'd say a different... Let me say it this way.
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  Sovereignty is an absolute
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  term. It admits some no exceptions.
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  If you're sovereign,
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  you don't answer to anybody
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  in the world.
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  So there's only one sovereign in God's creation by that definition,
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  and that's the Creator of all things, and that's true. Somebody told me,
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  No, this was the 1910 edition. Well, I was told it, now look, 1910 edition of Encyclopedia
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  Britannica, which was the last edition
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  published, first published in 1776,
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  and then the last edition published
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  that took the unity of the Godhead
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  to be the
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  unifying
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  factor of all creation.
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  So that if you ever see a 1910
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  edition, buy it, at a garage sale or something. That Bouviers?
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  No, that's Encyclopedia
• 3:02:10
  Britannica.
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  Unknown: Oh, okay.
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  Unknown: But
• 3:02:13
  Encyclopedia
• 3:02:14
  Britannica,
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  under sovereignty,
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  pretty much all it says is
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  God,
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  Creator,
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  because
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  sovereignty admits
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  of no limitations
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  by the very definition of the word. But here in America, and for purposes of having existence down here on land, the Bible
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  divides all of creation into two parts.
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  And these two parts simple.
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  These two parts persist
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  throughout the scope and progression of biblical revelation.
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  It says in the first verse, God created the heavens
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  and the earth.
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  There are the two divisions.
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  God sits in the skies and the heavens,
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  and He has delegated government among men to men down here on earth. So, because we have here's a fascinating point we
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  have no word
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  in our English tongue
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  for the sovereignty that's exercised down here on earth.
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  So all we can say, and we say it pretty often, we call it limited sovereignty.
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  Well, that's a contradiction of terms. That's like Roman
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  Catholic.
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  Military intelligence.
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  That's yeah.
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  I'm trying to be serious. I'm glad you inject
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  a little humor, because otherwise it gets too heavy. But
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  Catholic means universal.
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  It admits of no exceptions,
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  but Roman
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  then limits.
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  So, Roman Catholic
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  is a non
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  it's a senseless term.
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  Well, same thing is true of limited sovereignty, but yet we use it as a fiction,
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  because we say, in this jurisdiction down here on land, and God did make that division.
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  In this jurisdiction down here on land sovereignty
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  is
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  within God's scope of jurisdiction delegated to man. Sovereignties
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  are
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  the powers that be of a country.
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  And the definition that is biblical, that we've come to accept is,
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  for sovereignty down here on land is
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  a country, a sovereign country is a country that answers to nobody else
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  on earth.
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  America
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  does not answer
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  to the
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  tribunal of
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  international monetary whatever
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  at all.
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  America does not answer to the human rights court of The Hague at all. America has no obligation or answer... Duty to answer to the Crown of England, the Bank, the Federal Reserve Bank, anybody.
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  And by the way,
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  neither does the state of Virginia or the state of Illinois or the state of Wyoming.
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  But those states, and this is a fiction,
• 3:05:07
  but we live with it because of our
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  lack of understanding and ability to understand
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  total sovereignty.
• 3:05:16
  We we live with the fiction
• 3:05:19
  that the 50 sovereign states
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  have
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  have forfeited
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  certain aspects of their sovereignty
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  to the general government in Washington DC.
• 3:05:31
  Very few aspects, by the way, very very few,
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  but have done so
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  and exist as sovereign states absent
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  those few things they forfeited, and there's a list of them
• 3:05:44
  in our constitution of The United States.
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  What they have turned over to the general government
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  to have an over government
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  that has a limited jurisdiction
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  in our country.
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  So it's... The way you described it was pretty good, Larry, but... And you're repeating some of the things that I say, but as you notice, I struggle
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  to try to make it accurate because
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  it's a fiction.
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  It's like separation
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  of church and state. No. That's not a good example. It's a fiction to say that we can have government without religion. That's not true.
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  No. Government
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  can't exist without law. Law comes from a lawgiver,
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  and religion by definition is a man's response to his lawgiver.
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  Rie Lagare,
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  response back, binding back.
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  What is my response to my sovereign?
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  That is called religion.
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  Well, do I have a religion, a response to my sovereign down here on land I call religion? No. Because it's not ultimate.
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  My ultimate sovereign
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  is the maker of heaven and earth,
• 3:06:53
  and my religion
• 3:06:55
  is my response to him
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  in respect and obedience,
• 3:06:59
  both one or the other or both.
• 3:07:02
  So, Brent. Yeah, Larry. I've talked a lot. Did I chase my tail or what?
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  Unknown: No,
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  I understand. You're the one that used the word sovereign when you said to Julie, Virginia is a sovereign state, but I guess what you're trying to say is
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  you're using the term loosely.
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  Yeah. Because ultimately,
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  only God is the true sovereign. That's it. Is that correct? That's it.
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  Unknown: But listen, for example, let's say this.
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  We have a country, we have states, we have counties, we talk with sheriff Darr. And I'll say, sheriff Darr, what do you got to say about this? Or sheriff Darr,
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  comment upon
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  your limited scope of jurisdiction. I did that last week.
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  And we already talked about, well, I have a territorial jurisdiction,
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  which is bounded by the boundaries of my county,
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  and I have subject matter jurisdiction on some things. I don't have I have I don't have jurisdiction to just bust down the door of a house and walk in. But I do have jurisdiction to bust down the door of a house and walk in if I have a warrant, and that's what is required.
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  So there are all these things going on constantly in every relationship
• 3:08:08
  to determine
• 3:08:10
  where your jurisdiction is. But we all kind of agree that Sheriff Darlieff
• 3:08:14
  has a certain...
• 3:08:15
  We don't have a word to describe it. But he has a
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  he has a... He's the chief law law enforcement enforcer
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  of his county.
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  Not the attorney general of the state, but him.
• 3:08:28
  And he has power
• 3:08:30
  under... According to our law to defy the governor, defy the president
• 3:08:36
  if he thinks that they're
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  acting unlawfully
• 3:08:39
  or
• 3:08:40
  requiring something that's unlawful.
• 3:08:43
  And he he has a duty to not let the president or the governor of his state, according to the Supreme Court's
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  finding. He has a duty to not let them commandeer him in any way.
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  So that's not sovereignty,
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  but certainly he... That's his domain according to the scope of his jurisdiction.
• 3:09:03
  And every man according to the scope of his jurisdiction
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  has sovereignty
• 3:09:08
  limited
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  within... With... So I say it this way, Larry. Sovereignty within
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  the confines of your jurisdictional limits.
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  There are some things that only you have authority to do. Let me give you an example.
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  Here's how I had to talk to a fellow the
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  other day, he's from Montana.
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  Known him for years.
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  And he said, I get tired of going to the state house every time something comes up. He said, I try to go and testify if I think it's wrong
• 3:09:35
  at the legislature,
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  but I get tired on this homeschool issues.
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  Listen to these Christian...
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  Effeminate Christians come in,
• 3:09:45
  met pansy mambi,
• 3:09:46
  and get up in front of the legislature and say, well, we wanna prove to you that homeschooling
• 3:09:52
  is is more... It gives a better result than the public schools.
• 3:09:56
  Well, that's true, but that doesn't matter.
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  God... And he said, I just tell him when I come... It's my time to get up. He said, God gave me jurisdiction to educate my children. There's nothing in our law. There's nothing in nature that says otherwise.
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  I control and direct their education.
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  Not you. You have no authority to pass any legislation
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  at all concerning that.
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  I, therefore, I would say this for lack of a better term,
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  I'm sovereign
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  within the scope of my jurisdiction.
• 3:10:27
  And that's the way... That's... By the way, all those scopes, all those fears of sovereignty
• 3:10:33
  that God has delegated to men and all true jurisdiction is from God.
• 3:10:38
  All of that and the arrangement of it
• 3:10:41
  is the very definition of God's kingdom on earth.
• 3:10:45
  That's it.
• 3:10:47
  It's not complicated, but the Bible says that if you're not born from above by the spirit,
• 3:10:53
  you cannot even see it.
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  But if you can see it, be encouraged. God has given you eyes to see.
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  Now what's your reaction to it?
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  That's the question.
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  So right down to the family, there's a sovereignty within your jurisdiction,
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  within the scope of it. It's a scope.
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  There's a sovereignty of a state within its scope of jurisdiction. There's a sovereignty of the sheriff within his county. The sovereignty of a man within his family and the mother too, by the way, and the sovereignty of a woman or a man in their own home by themselves.
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  The castle doctrine, we talked about that a lot. Every man's home is his castle. That's our common law tradition.
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  The poorest man in his combat cottage
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  bid all defiance to the crown.
• 3:11:39
  That's our common law. But is there a time when the crown can bust down the door and come in? Yes.
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  Our common law says, but the neutral and detached magistrate
• 3:11:49
  gets good evidence and he believes there's evidence of a crime inside the the house no matter how strong or how weak it may be,
• 3:11:56
  then he has authority to grant the sheriff a
• 3:12:00
  piece of paper says he has authority to come in and search the house,
• 3:12:04
  to arrest somebody or to seize some evidence.
• 3:12:09
  So again, but the sovereignty... Well, among men, sovereignty down here on land, no matter how big it is, even the president of The United States,
• 3:12:18
  it's still
• 3:12:20
  limited to a scope
• 3:12:22
  because only God
• 3:12:24
  has unlimited,
• 3:12:27
  boundless
• 3:12:28
  sovereignty.
• 3:12:30
  That's the way I... Done a lot of talking to try to explain something that's a fiction. That's all I'm trying to do.
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  Unknown: I'm have
• 3:12:43
  just drilling down into
• 3:12:46
  the people being sovereigns
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  as opposed to the state being sovereigns.
• 3:12:53
  People being sovereigns is known as popular sovereignty
• 3:12:58
  where the people as a group, as a body,
• 3:13:01
  elect to create government
• 3:13:04
  to act
• 3:13:05
  in
• 3:13:06
  the people's interest.
• 3:13:09
  The
• 3:13:11
  popular sovereignty,
• 3:13:13
  it means that the people are the ultimate source of all political power and legitimacy.
• 3:13:18
  The social contract,
• 3:13:20
  citizens unite and choose to give a portion of their power to government,
• 3:13:25
  they do this on the condition that the government serves the public well.
• 3:13:30
  And that
• 3:13:31
  is an interesting
• 3:13:32
  point that I'll come back to in a minute.
• 3:13:36
  And the historical roots, this idea became a core democratic belief in the late eighteenth century during the American and French revolutions.
• 3:13:44
  Instead of a king or queen holding absolute power by birthright, power flows upward
• 3:13:49
  from the citizens.
• 3:13:53
  So if
• 3:13:55
  the
• 3:13:57
  popular
• 3:13:58
  sovereigns or the sovereign people
• 3:14:01
  grant
• 3:14:03
  a portion of their sovereignty to the government to act
• 3:14:09
  and serve the public will,
• 3:14:12
  what
• 3:14:13
  resolution
• 3:14:14
  do they have at their disposal if the government ceases
• 3:14:18
  to act in the will of the people and like, say, for example, declares them enemies of the state?
• 3:14:26
  Unknown: And the answer is a 12 man jury in individual instances,
• 3:14:30
  and the example
• 3:14:31
  of that is prohibition.
• 3:14:33
  Prohibition is unbiblical.
• 3:14:35
  That means it's unconstitutional.
• 3:14:37
  It was unconstitutional.
• 3:14:38
  It's against our common law.
• 3:14:40
  It's against everything we hold. It's a monopoly.
• 3:14:43
  Of
• 3:14:44
  course,
• 3:14:45
  all sorts of evils have come from it like the FBI, the CIA. That all started with prohibition and it got worse from there.
• 3:14:53
  But how did it stop?
• 3:14:55
  Here's the way it stopped.
• 3:14:57
  12 man juries
• 3:14:58
  by the thousands all over America
• 3:15:01
  just started saying no to the government. We're tired of this. No.
• 3:15:05
  The Bible does not give you authority to outlaw alcoholic beverages.
• 3:15:10
  It may be evil, but the Bible doesn't give you that jurisdiction.
• 3:15:13
  You're wrong and it...
• 3:15:15
  Finally, it got so they couldn't enforce it in the courts. The juries wouldn't do it. That's God's design. The 12 man jury is the sovereignty of the people, the expression of the sovereignty of the people. 12 men, not representatives of the people,
• 3:15:30
  but a
• 3:15:31
  random slice of the people
• 3:15:34
  all over the country said no and it finally just faded away. And that's the way it's supposed to work. Slow but sure footed. Popular sovereignty is nothing but democracy.
• 3:15:45
  And that's not biblical, that's tyranny.
• 3:15:48
  And that's the... The Greeks invented those ideas, democracy and republic.
• 3:15:52
  Republic... Republicanism
• 3:15:54
  are the same thing in the ancient... To the ancient Greek. Republic of Plato. Read it. You'll be shocked.
• 3:16:00
  Republic.
• 3:16:01
  He used the word republic. Republic of Plato. And for example, in there he says that all children should be taken from their parents of birth and turned over to the state to be trained and educated.
• 3:16:12
  That's popular sovereignty.
• 3:16:14
  Popular sovereignty isn't sovereignty at all. It's just it's just a majority rule, which, of course, is tyranny.
• 3:16:21
  We use it to jump start our common law government. For example, the constitution says, we the people.
• 3:16:29
  Well, who are they talking about?
• 3:16:31
  Well, simply, they're talking about the males, not the females. Who in their right mind would say that that was in their remotest thoughts when they wrote that? Women had no part in government at that time. Nobody
• 3:16:44
  even questioned it.
• 3:16:46
  And We the People is not the females,
• 3:16:48
  it's the males. Well, who are they? The people, that phrase the people lifted from the Old Testament, the old translations,
• 3:16:55
  translates the Hebrew phrase with
• 3:16:59
  a definite article, and it appears hundreds of times in the Old Testament, and every time it appears,
• 3:17:06
  it denotes an unarmed
• 3:17:08
  group of men,
• 3:17:10
  not women, men.
• 3:17:12
  And that armed group of men, we call today at common law the militia, the militiamen.
• 3:17:17
  And the militiamen have two duties, jury duty in defense of the law of the land and its application,
• 3:17:25
  and armed defense in defense of the land.
• 3:17:28
  And to defend the land is to defend the law of the land, and to defend the law of the land is to defend the land, that's the two duties of the militiamen.
• 3:17:36
  And that is why our constitution of The United States requires every office holder, state and federal, to take substantially the same oath to
• 3:17:46
  support
• 3:17:47
  and defend
• 3:17:49
  our constitution of The United States.
• 3:17:52
  That's our common law tradition, our law of the land. It says so right in how we go about
• 3:17:58
  having government function,
• 3:18:00
  right in the sixth article, law of the land.
• 3:18:02
  So your... Their officeholders
• 3:18:04
  are sworn to support the law of the land
• 3:18:08
  and
• 3:18:09
  against enemies,
• 3:18:11
  foreign
• 3:18:13
  and domestic.
• 3:18:14
  So domestic enemies,
• 3:18:16
  that means
• 3:18:18
  against the law, that means willingness to serve on the jury,
• 3:18:21
  and defend the land means willingness to take up arms, foreign and domestic.
• 3:18:26
  Foreign enemies take up arms. Domestic enemies serve on the jury in defense of the law of the land. Our common law is a seamless garment of warp and woof, all weaves together.
• 3:18:37
  Again,
• 3:18:38
  Paul, I'm not preaching to you. I just use it as an opportunity to talk to everybody because you... Here's another thing about our common law, Paul. Our common law is not about answers.
• 3:18:49
  It's about the right questions.
• 3:18:51
  And when we come on, and of course, this crowd here, that most of the people that are talking, you've all thought it through a lot, and you're thinking it through more than I am in a lot of levels. And so, when you think things through, you end up asking the right questions more often than not. But you cannot get a right answer unless you ask the right question.
• 3:19:11
  And the questions that are brought up here are the kind of questions I'm saying, alright, let's answer that one.
• 3:19:17
  That's the key to our common law tradition,
• 3:19:20
  is not answers,
• 3:19:22
  but questions.
• 3:19:23
  You got to ask the right question.
• 3:19:26
  Jesus Christ said that to the lawyer,
• 3:19:28
  to the law of the city lawyer,
• 3:19:30
  the Judaism lawyer, the pharasitical lawyer in the tenth chapter of Luke.
• 3:19:37
  And he wanted to know how he could
• 3:19:39
  enter the... Or how he could enter the kingdom of heaven. And he said, well, you know the law, you tell me. And he said, okay, love God, love your neighbor. And Jesus Christ didn't say...
• 3:19:50
  Didn't try to give him an evangelistic sermon. He said, you're right.
• 3:19:54
  Do this and you shall live.
• 3:19:58
  Jesus Christ always pointed people to the law.
• 3:20:02
  He didn't say God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life,
• 3:20:06
  because he didn't.
• 3:20:07
  He didn't believe that to be true.
• 3:20:09
  It wasn't true.
• 3:20:11
  It isn't true.
• 3:20:13
  No. That's not it. He threw them back on the law. Why? To bring them to their knees in guilt. That's why. And if you aren't brought to your knees in guilt over being a lawbreaker,
• 3:20:23
  then,
• 3:20:24
  well, the spirit of God has not given you the new birth.
• 3:20:28
  Again, confession of sin
• 3:20:31
  is a product
• 3:20:33
  of the new birth, not a result, or rather.
• 3:20:36
  Yeah. Confession of sin is the product, the result of the new birth.
• 3:20:41
  The new birth is not the result of confession of sin.
• 3:20:44
  A man that's a Christian is in the habit, according to the Bible,
• 3:20:48
  of confessing
• 3:20:50
  his sins.
• 3:20:51
  That glorifies God.
• 3:20:53
  That's what God wants. And that's the only way we can have enjoyment is to be ready and to confess that we're not perfect. That's an understatement.
• 3:21:02
  We're sinners.
• 3:21:04
  Well,
• 3:21:05
  coming back to
• 3:21:07
  the thing about the constitution,
• 3:21:09
  the the the militiamen
• 3:21:12
  are
• 3:21:13
  are above the constitution.
• 3:21:15
  The militiamen are the creators and the ratifiers...
• 3:21:18
  Well, the ratifiers, I should say, they didn't create the law. They ratified it. They recognized it and ratified it. It doesn't say, We the Founding Fathers,
• 3:21:27
  We the big shots at the Constitutional Convention. It says, We the people, the militiamen of the several states of the Union. And
• 3:21:36
  in saying that,
• 3:21:38
  those militiamen had to show a critical mass of them, agreed,
• 3:21:43
  and then had to show that nine of them, if they got nine of them together, nine colonies,
• 3:21:48
  then they would form a country.
• 3:21:50
  And if the other
• 3:21:52
  four that didn't agree didn't want to join, they didn't have to.
• 3:21:55
  But if nine did, those nine would join.
• 3:21:58
  But once the were
• 3:22:00
  going to join, the others
• 3:22:02
  started joining too. That's the way that happened.
• 3:22:05
  Nobody made them do it. They didn't have to do it. But it was the militiamen that are responsible for putting it in place. And because of that,
• 3:22:13
  it is said that the militiamen are above the constitution.
• 3:22:17
  And they are in this sense. They have the power to amend it. They have the power to disamend it. Disamend it. They also have the power,
• 3:22:26
  actually, to do away with it if they wanted to, I suppose.
• 3:22:29
  No. They have the power over it. And they have the power over its application
• 3:22:34
  in individual instances, and they don't owe anybody
• 3:22:37
  any
• 3:22:38
  explanation for the decision as a 12 man jury. Now, there's the final act of sovereignty down here on land in God's common law tradition, is the 12 man jury.
• 3:22:51
  A sovereign, by definition,
• 3:22:54
  is the final arbiter.
• 3:22:57
  Means arbiter means he can decide and he doesn't owe anybody any explanations.
• 3:23:02
  The 12 man jury down here on land is the final arbiter of
• 3:23:06
  right and wrong, in individual instances,
• 3:23:08
  from whose decision there is no appeal.
• 3:23:11
  And God is the final
• 3:23:12
  arbiter
• 3:23:14
  in heaven over all creation.
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  In individual instances. In individual
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  instances.
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  Not in the broad brush of legislation.
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  No, no. God doesn't operate that way. Oh, there's legislation, but it's a broad brush, and it doesn't take individual instances into consideration.
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  The 12 man jury does. And they're to confine their decision to the evidence offered in court
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  and nothing else. And their decision applies only to the
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  matter before the court.
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  Unknown: That's a lot of talking again. I hope I said something worthwhile. Well, the 12 man jury. Now what access do we have to the 12 man jury if the juries are impaneled
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  by
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  the
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  by the government, by the
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  by the justice department
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  in
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  the state. Okay. So the state has a case. They impanel a 12 man jury,
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  and the judge gives the jurors not only the law,
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  but also gives them instructions
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  on what evidence they can take into account.
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  It... It's all it's all very, very unfija
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  Unknown: like. So what What you do may...
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  Unknown: Go ahead. Go ahead. What Go ahead. Access to the jury would we have as individual people
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  that had a grievance
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  against the state or federal government
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  to
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  impanel a jury to actually decide on that matter? And then what enforcement
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  would the people and the people's 12 man jury have
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  to enforce
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  the jury's verdict?
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  Unknown: Well, there are many ways. The... This is the militia. The people are the militia,
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  period. I've got a quote in there. Quote several, man. A whole chapter of quotes from those that lived at the time our constitution was put in place,
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  and they say over and over and over, this is the book on the militia.
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  You can get it at commonlawyer.com.
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  But over and over and over they say the militia is the people. Then somebody else will say the people is the militia. And it just goes on and on and on to make that point, and of course it has a biblical
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  root, the reason we express it that way.
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  Here's what I had at request of you, Paul. Obviously, you're interested in these matters.
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  And I could say this to all of you, but Paul, you know, you're asking questions and these are the questions
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  that I should answer, try to make sure I can answer. Sometimes I can, sometimes I can't. But if somebody is asking them, then I need to try to figure it out. That's what my job is.
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  But you ought to write down your questions, Paul, because you're asking the questions that I think are important and right.
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  But let me try to answer that one too.
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  And I speak as a man, again, don't know everything, I'll just tell you I speak from my experience.
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  I've argued before juries and I've been tried by a jury.
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  And I ask myself these kind of questions continually.
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  Who impanels the jury? Paul says. The government impanels the jury. Well, the government's there to oversee it. It's done fairly. I'm talking about the judge.
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  And two lawyers that are officers of the court,
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  but one of the lawyers, or maybe both of them in a non criminal case, aren't getting paid by the court. They're in private practice.
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  And they're the ones that are to ensure
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  that the jury is properly impaneled,
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  and according as our
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  founding documents say, according to the course of our common law.
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  So that's the way that's done. It's up to us to do that. And the jury pool, of course, is drawn
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  a wide and broad group of people, and then we're there choosing them and fighting about that, constantly fighting because
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  our common law tradition is not inquisitorial,
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  it's adversarial.
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  We fight, fight, fight. We fight over who's supposed to be on the jury. We get that done.
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  We get that done,
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  and then we impanel the jury, and then the lawyers, they fight, fight, fight to make sure everything's fair all through the trial. They're supposed to. They should. If they don't, they've fallen down on the job. So this whole thing about adversarial tradition and fighting is key to it all. But then the judge comes along and says, well, we're going to swear again now. Okay, everybody swear that they'll follow my the judge's instructions. Well, let's say that you do that.
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  Okay. So you've done that.
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  And then you get in the jury room and you say, shucks. I I think this guy's innocent, but I gotta follow the judge's instructions.
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  No. That's not true. If you believe in your heart of hearts, and this is our law too, and this is the beauty of the jury. Now you don't... You're not bound. No man can... You may as well let the judge decide if you're gonna think you're bound by the judge's instructions, why have a jury? That's downright silly.
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  And if you believe in your heart of hearts, and that's your job, not the judge's, it's your baby, not his, and you believe that he's wrong, you don't have an option to disregard his instructions. You have a duty.
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  It's a lawful duty to do it, because the decision is put in your hands, not his. You've got to decide. And our law, our common law says, you can't be held accountable or held to even explain why you ruled the way you did. And that's our common law. It's beautiful.
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  So that's the answer to that. Although, see, I've heard people say that, and the jury, they're trying to fool the jury. You've got to know your business. You've got to understand your authority.
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  You've got to be confident. How do you do that? Experience.
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  You just keep thinking about it, talking about it, and that's what we're doing here. And you should have the experience to
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  disagree
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  with everybody,
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  if you have to. And do it calmly and kindly.
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  That's the answer to that. Well, Paul,
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  those are the two main things you addressed, and you addressed,
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  or I addressed, and you talked about.
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  But I,
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  at every point, think that our common law tradition is here, the machinery is in place, what's the problem?
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  Well, the government, the evil empire, has hijacked all of education. They've taught us a lot of damnable lies, and we
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  have
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  weakened and fallen down.
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  The people that are responsible for teaching the law, namely the men in the pulpits
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  and the lawyers,
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  are responsible to teach it, and they're not doing it.
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  And therefore,
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  the people are destroyed for lack... The people. There's that word again. For lack of knowledge. By the way, that's in the Bible. The people. That Hebrew word in that verse
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  is and
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  it's the militiamen. And the Bible is written.
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  The target audience is the male and not the female.
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  I don't say that lightly, and I don't say it flippantly. I say it as a matter of fact. I can't change it. But the reason for that is because the male is the problem, not the female.
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  The male is the problem when grandpa Adam
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  partook of the fruit. His wife partook of the fruit, that wasn't the problem. Man did not fall into depravity.
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  According to what the Bible says, man fell into depravity not when grandma Eve took a took partake of the fruit, but when grandpa Adam.
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  So the militiamen are the target,
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  and they are to
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  to pick up the reins and run with it against all odds.
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  That's what we're to do.
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  And you'll be criticized and you'll be hated. I've discovered that, but that's okay.
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  I feel good.
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  I just pray to God I hang on and keep the faith. Well, again everybody. Roger left. I gotta go.
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  But appreciate those of you that have hung on.
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  Unknown: Thank you, Brent.
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  Unknown: Wow. Okay. Yeah. Thank you, Paul. We'll talk to you all again. Appreciate y'all. Have a good day, Brent. Thank you, Larry.
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  Talk to you again.
• 3:31:18
  Unknown: Thanks, man. Yeah. It's interesting. Chatfield Civics has published... Republished an old book about the grand jury and people
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  jury and what they used to do handling citizen grand jury, county by county,
• 3:31:31
  and also some of the cases that they arrested on. So it's quite quite interesting if you ever hear of tactical civics. I think it's published by their their folks, but it answers a lot of those questions while the events are being brought up.
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  Unknown: But I'm sorry to get No. I know here. Citizen business. Jury because,
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  Unknown: like my friend said, they're all done right now. We're all we're all been dumbed down. We're all busy chasing our tails on the monetary system, you know, trying to get over inflation, feeding our families,
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  etcetera, etcetera. So I will.
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  Unknown: Thank you.
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  Unknown: Yes, Brent. Thank you. And,
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  the people's grand jury, think that's the only one that we're gonna actually be able to deal with because
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  there's no way that...
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  I mean, everybody here knows
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  that
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  when the government
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  impanels a jury,
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  they have already
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  picked that jury pool
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  based on demographics,
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  based on the cases that are on the docket.
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  They've picked the jurors
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  based on
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  how
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  the
• 3:32:49
  analysis
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  of their demographics
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  would indicate that they would decide.
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  So they've already got a good idea which which direction the jury's gonna go before the jury even takes their seat.
• 3:33:02
  And the
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  prosecution and the defense only has a limited number of strikes
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  for jurors that
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  are
• 3:33:11
  potentially
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  empaneled
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  that they may deem
• 3:33:17
  unsuitable
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  for that case.
• 3:33:20
  So I think each one only has three strikes.
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  So
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  that's limiting
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  the quality of the jury.
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  The demographic
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  cherry picking
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  is limiting the quality of the jury and
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  steering the potential outcome.
• 3:33:43
  And then the instructions of the judge
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  and
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  the people thinking that the judge is the ultimate authority and not the jury,
• 3:33:53
  so they're gonna follow the judge's instructions.
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  The
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  whole thing is just stacked against us at every single turn.
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  And the people's grand jury and,
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  an assembling
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  of
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  individual
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  sovereign people
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  to impanel that grand jury,
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  I think, is gonna be the only way that we can go.
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  Anyways,
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  this has been a really, really good program. It's been a really good discussion.
• 3:34:23
  It's been running for, oh,
• 3:34:28
  so what, three and a half hours plus?
• 3:34:31
  So, actually, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna break the recording, and I'm gonna upload this as as a supplemental
• 3:34:39
  podcast
• 3:34:41
  in addition to the
• 3:34:43
  the archive that was already streamed. So thanks for being here, and
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  be with us tomorrow
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  for the Sabado edition
• 3:34:54
  of the Radio Ranch.
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  Go to thematrixstocks.com
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• 3:35:04
  Thanks.