Latest / The Permission Slip / S1 | E14 Dominica Fisher - Director of Meditative & Creative Exploration at Bîan
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- S1 • E14 Dominica Fischer === Matt Kosterman: Hi, I'm Matt Kosterman and we are back on the permission slip. Today. I am here with Dominica Fisher. I'm gonna let her tell you her title because I will surely mess it up. I, Dominica Fischer: Hi Matt. so I am the director of Meditative and Creative Exploration at Beyond, which is a wellness club in Chicago. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, I'm excited. That's great. Matt Kosterman: so just a little backstory, I met Dominica 'cause I joined Beyond, which is a, a, an amazing holistic wellness club for coworking and, uh, working out and, uh, concierge medical if you so choose, uh, in Chicago, right? in River North. I've been a member for just a little bit over a year and, uh, she actually took me on my tour. Matt Kosterman: And Dominica Fischer: I was just gonna say, so Matt Kosterman was my very first. I was stepping in for somebody that went on maternity leave, um, just for membership, just for a little bit. And he happened to be my first tour and he happened to be also the first person that I signed up. So that was a really Matt Kosterman: Oh, nice. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And Dominique is also a photographer, which is what I do in my day to day. And so we connected on all the all the levels, things. Yeah. Meditation and, yeah. Photography and, and all that stuff. So, um, we're here today to, to, to chat about meditation and manifestation two of Dominique's specialties. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. They are Matt Kosterman: so, Matt Kosterman: yeah, so obvious, uh, and not obviously, but you, you, you were not born into this particular lifestyle, this particular abundance. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. So why don't you tell everybody a little bit about kind of how it Dominica Fischer: Sure. Dominica Fischer: Love it. so actually no, that's, that's absolutely right. So I'm the daughter of an immigrant Polish single parent. Dominica Fischer: she, so, and it was just me and my mom. And then, um, my grandmother ended up living with us too. So it was just. The three of us. Matt Kosterman: So not only, I mean, not only like a single mother. Yeah. And not only like, not a single mother and not an immigrant family, but a single immigrant mother. Yeah. Which is, uh, extra special. Dominica Fischer: It was, it was actually, it, it, and I will, you know, I think you don't really understand what you have and, um, compared to the rest of the world when you're a kid. So yeah, there were lots of struggles, but. There was a lot of love. So that was that, that I really was lucky in that way. and at the same time that as I started growing up, I realized how little we had, so my mom was a cleaning lady. Dominica Fischer: she was trying to take care of her mother and her daughter at the same time. Um. And so, and now as I look back on my life, I, I truly am I, from what we had to what I have now. There really is a, a big difference and it, it is. Interesting to see how it all happened. As you look backwards, it's so hard to understand how you're gonna get somewhere and then you look back and it's, it's kind of fun to see the, I guess the connect the dots. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The full picture Matt Kosterman: So, I mean, you, you didn't have like the physical trauma and the emotional abuse that, that many have. Dominica Fischer: it's, you know. Yeah. I think, or yeah. I mean, it's a, it's a different type of, um, I, I think the emotional trauma is, is in a different way of understanding. So my father was around Okay. Dominica Fischer: And my father was a, was abusive to my mom. Matt Kosterman: Oh, so there was that. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, so I didn't witness it. My mom kicked him out when I was six months old. However, I did have contact with him, and so it, I had, it was just these little inklings of your father grabbing your ass when you're 13 years old and you don't really even know who he is. Dominica Fischer: It is, uh, so it, it just moments of, I think. So I will, yes. I did not have a, a physical trauma or emotional trauma on a daily basis. Yeah, no thank, and I'm grateful for that, but I think Matt Kosterman: yeah, I didn't mean to minimize it, Dominica Fischer: Yeah. No, no, no. And gosh, my gosh, but I'm just saying like, I, I totally get it. There are. Matt Kosterman: fa that your father, that you had that element in there. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, it was. He was a, so I did see him every once in a while and it was a, it is, it's an interesting thing to have a human being that is supposed to be there for you. And they're, they're just not in any way. but, you know, you Right. Exactly. You, you figure it out. You adapt. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. You adapt. and heal. And heal. Yeah. I think that's, um. And I think the other part was, which is so fascinating, is because, and the Catholic religion is such a big part of, um, being polish, I think Dominica Fischer: The, there was an interesting space that I was in because I, since a young girl, have had visions. I've heard, um, voices, I've had inklings of knowing and. Dominica Fischer: It was anytime I brought anything up or anytime I even mentioned that I knew something that I wasn't supposed to know. Matt Kosterman: it's supposed to know. Right? Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Like, yeah, just whether it's about somebody else or whether about just whatever it was. The witchy, right? The, um, there was, it was a lot of lashback that I received and so I, I stopped telling about it. Dominica Fischer: I stopped talking about it, and so you Matt Kosterman: do that. You gotta go through the priest. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: that's the only per, that's the only way to God. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, there's Right, and or or whether, or it's, it's not God, right. And so's. Matt Kosterman: Oh, so even worse. Dominica Fischer: So, even worse. Right. Even. Right. So it's, it's, right. It's, it's, it's, this is a demonic child. Dominica Fischer: This is a, like, so it's not, and again, I very quickly, very, very quickly put it under wrap, so it's not like I was. A constant like, oh, there's, there's the demon. Right? No, not at all. Sure. but yeah. But you just, you have these moments where you know things or you've seen something. Mm-hmm. And yeah, as a kid you don't share it with anyone. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Just. Matt Kosterman: trauma. Like it's, you're not, you're not allowed to be Dominica Fischer: Yeah, absolutely are. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. That was, you were suppressed. Dominica Fischer: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's, that's what got me into meditation is really starting to, it was, it was in my thirties and it was in a space of, I was tired of. Having all of these experiences that kept happening throughout, not just, you know, my childhood, but into college. Dominica Fischer: College, yeah. Into, um, and so I just, I didn't feel comfortable seeing a psychic. I didn't feel comfortable. Actually, maybe this was part of the trauma. I didn't feel comfortable talking to anybody about it, and so I decided that I'm gonna learn how to meditate and I'm gonna learn how to tap into a space where maybe there is a dialogue with whatever was happening to me versus just because that's the part that was so hard was I would have a vision, I would have something come through, but. Dominica Fischer: It, the, the data was so sparse. Okay. That it was really confusing. I didn't understand a lot of times why, or, and then again, you have these like moments of like, okay, if this is happening, why, why is it happening? What, what is, what is it? Am I, it's not perfect. Exactly. Am I supposed to do something right? Dominica Fischer: Right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: you would get literally like clo, closed eye visions, like dur, just sleep napping during the open eye. Matt Kosterman: Like open eye. Open eye. Dominica Fischer: open eye, um, to a, uh, different reality shifts, seeing different spaces, seeing, um, whether you wanna call it angels, whether you wanna call it, um, Matt Kosterman: Guides, whomever, whatever you would, angels, guides, helpers, whatever Dominica Fischer: Yeah. And it was like, it's not, it is a funny thing to, I wish I were one of those people that it was really straightforward. Mm-hmm. But it was like a perfect example. I'm. Seven years old. I'm um, no, actually probably a little older. Nine. I was walking a block home. Yeah. It used to happen when we were that little. Dominica Fischer: and it was a suburb and, um, my friend's mom had given me $20. I put it in my pocket and halfway there I hear a voice. I turn around and it's a figure of a skeleton, but it looks like a pirate. And, but it was funny. It was really funny. And. I turn back and start taking a few steps and then I, it dawns on me like, wait a second. Dominica Fischer: What was that? Matt Kosterman: it wasn't Halloween. Dominica Fischer: It was, no, it wasn't Halloween. Halloween, yeah. It was, it was actually, it was warm outside. I remember that. Um, Dominica Fischer: So, yeah, it was, I walked back to where I saw this apparition. I actually thought maybe somebody's playing a joke on me. Um, Matt Kosterman: it was that real? I mean, it was a Dominica Fischer: oh, it was real. Dominica Fischer: It was a, it was, it was, gosh. Dominica Fischer: It's hard to say what real means in the sense of Yeah. But yeah, walking back, I, it was like, did I see that? Did I imagine that? Did I, and I'm looking around. I'm looking around and I literally look down at my feet in the grass. There's a $20 bill and. It was right where the apparition was, and I checked my pocket and there's no money, and so I, I immediately grabbed the, Matt Kosterman: right. It Dominica Fischer: pill and I run home. Dominica Fischer: Right? Exactly. Right. So I, and I run home, and so it was like those kinds of moments, like that was a very simple moment. Then there were other moments where I would. Find myself seeing a completely different reality while I'm seeing the reality that I'm Matt Kosterman: so like an overlay. Dominica Fischer: So an older way. Yeah. Yeah. And in, in those moments, I'm like, well, that's not helpful. Dominica Fischer: That's not the $20 that I lost. What does that mean? Why did that just happen? Or there was a moment in my kitchen where all of a sudden I'm, you know, my daughter is three, she's on the floor. On the ground playing. and I'm doing the dishes. My son is right next to me, he's five and a half, and all of a sudden I feel this intense sadness and I know it's his And. Dominica Fischer: I can't understand. We're all laughing. I'm like, why? What? What is this sadness that I'm feeling? And I know it's his. One more Matt Kosterman: not you. You have nothing to be sad Dominica Fischer: You have nothing to be sad about it. No, and no. We were actually all just sitting laughing like, he's standing next to me. He's, and within 30 seconds he walks behind me accidentally. Dominica Fischer: Must have stepped on my daughter's hand. Something happened where she's crying so hard. Okay. And he, I can see is devastated because this moment is like bad, right? Yeah. Yeah. He just heard his sister. We were just laughing. We were whatever is going through his head. But in that moment I knew, oh, that's what I was feeling. Dominica Fischer: I was feeling his sadness. 30 seconds beforehand, but I, at the same time, I'm like, well, that's not helpful. What, Matt Kosterman: what do I do with Dominica Fischer: What do I do with this now? I like, Dominica Fischer: yeah, It was actually, that was the moment that I basically said, okay, fine. I'm gonna figure this out. I'm gonna figure this out. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Or, yeah. Yeah. Or tried to. Matt Kosterman: to. Right. And so that was what brought you Matt Kosterman: into Dominica Fischer: meditation? Yeah, so I started reading books. I started trying it. I started, Matt Kosterman: what was the first book that resonated? Did you have one that Dominica Fischer: Yeah, Dominica Fischer: it was Sandra Engerman's. gosh, what is her book? It's a, it's an audio book. Dominica Fischer: What is it called? she does shamanic journeying. Yeah, Matt Kosterman: can picture a couple of, I I have one or two of hers. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. So she, um, yeah, this is, it's gonna bother me if I don't find it. Um, Matt Kosterman: did you ever read The Power Of Now? Was that on your Dominica Fischer: I have, I, I started The Power of Now actually. I've, I, he's. I actually love his story. Dominica Fischer: The fact that he was, he kind of had this breaking point where basically mentally broke down and, and spent, what was it, three months on a bench, on a park bench was just kind of in this space of, Matt Kosterman: Oh, of like, I didn't know that part of Dominica Fischer: story. Yeah. Hopelessness. Yeah. No, a great, no, no. He, his. Right before his break. Dominica Fischer: So this is right at car Is is, yeah. Er, yeah. Yeah. And so right before his break, he was in a terrible space. Oh, okay. Ended up having a mental breakdown and ended up sitting on a park bench for, I think it was a maybe three months and. Was at awe of how the power of the moment was just so beautiful. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Wow. Yeah. And then started writing about it. God. Yeah. It was a, it's, it's a, his story is really interesting. Matt Kosterman: I mean, I read the book, but the story wasn't in there. but it was, that was one of the first books that. Broke things for me and it was like, wow. Dominica Fischer: yeah. Like Matt Kosterman: Like there was a knowingness that it was true. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. He's Okay. Dominica Fischer: I'm gonna, I'm finding Matt Kosterman: Erman. Yeah. I've got, I've got two of her books. Dominica Fischer: So it is called Shamanic Visioning. So, and what was so cool about that book was I had no, I had no idea about kind of what Shamonic vision, anything. Anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. she does such a beautiful job of telling you what the practice is, and then within the audiobook she gives you. Dominica Fischer: Moments of drumming. So like seven minutes, she'll tell you, and I believe the first, I know the first one, but maybe even the first two journeys that you take, she guides you through them and then she lets you, she just says, okay, in this journey, do this. And then she'll play the drums. Yeah. So Matt Kosterman: guided, Dominica Fischer: but No. Matt Kosterman: Other than to take you in with the drum. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: So it was this really beautiful way of. I think be you're, I think you're hitting on something. I think it was, I was so afraid to share what was going on with me. So having that ability to take it in my own hands, not telling anybody about it, not, and just going through and. Matt Kosterman: not having anybody project what they thought it was onto Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. So the results from that, I was able to start journeying immediately. And now I was having conversations, I was having conversations with my power animals, with my healing guides, with my, um, actually, I won't call them healing guides. Dominica Fischer: It, she's really big about not calling anybody a guide. Okay. Because that word in itself means that you are being guided. Ah. Matt Kosterman: ah, interesting. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. And so for her, in that space, you have to have full autonomy. You cannot, I mean, you can if somebody's like, do this, but you have to understand that your life is the consequence. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um. But yeah, so I was, it was, it was quick. And then it started you, Matt Kosterman: were wide, you were wide open, like you didn't Yeah. Matt Kosterman: You didn't need much instruction. No, no. Dominica Fischer: And then it started to blend into reality, which was, that's the, I think that was the coolest part because then it really took me onto this path that I currently am, and I think the mission statement of my path right now. Dominica Fischer: Understanding how reality forms itself. I have now seen the, almost like the matrix putting itself together. I've seen the esoteric blend with actual physical, and so that's behind the curtain basically. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that's, that's the current goal, is this idea of. I see it, I see glimpses of how we are creating every single moment. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. I see glimpses of how reality reacts to everything around it. It has consciousness itself and it is playing with you. Matt Kosterman: yeah, yeah. All this stuff that, that all of that, all of this stuff that so many of the teachers are trying Yeah. To get us to see. You were just, you were born into that level of seeing this, I guess. Dominica Fischer: I guess. Matt Kosterman: And I Dominica Fischer: Yeah, and Matt Kosterman: that level of vibration, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'cause we have all have this Dominica Fischer: capabilities. We do. Matt Kosterman: And I've used drugs to see it. Yeah. I've seen it on medicine. Yeah. I've seen, you know, the animation and the Yeah. The, the archetypes playing out and Yeah. I've seen how my emotional state causes reality to show up differently as, and I can change my emotional state and reality changes Dominica Fischer: Isn't that Matt Kosterman: Yeah. but so far I need drugs to do it. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: I'm working on, you know, not, which is possible and everything in so far on this path as I've used the drugs or the body work or whatever, or shamanic stuff to take me to a different level to show me what's possible and then Dominica Fischer: and then it did work towards that. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So, so this is, so that was relatively quick. Dominica Fischer: It was, it was very fast. Yeah. And then, so after that I, it was, it was fascinating how, um, the different types of meditations, what I could do. Dominica Fischer: It was where one time I went in and. I just allowed the intuition to take its course while I was meditating at the, I was actually listening to a Joe Dispenza meditation, but there was a really strong pull of. I saw little men in my brain starting to chisel away. Really like thick matter in there and just going, like, the meditation happened to be a long one, one of his like 45 minute meditations. Dominica Fischer: Okay. I heard nothing that he said the whole time. Matt Kosterman: you dropped in. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, the whole time I was just watching these like little. Guys and clean up Matt Kosterman: away anything that you needed. Dominica Fischer: Well, it was fascinating. I opened my eyes, Matt and the world never looked as bright, and so it was this really, I I realized, okay, we have this incredible ability to hear, heal ourselves. Dominica Fischer: And what's fascinating is so many times we don't even understand that there's something going on because it, it's just become. This is part of my life. This is my life. This is what my life looks like. Matt Kosterman: we were, we were programmed that way. We were programmed to think that like it happens to Matt Kosterman: us. Right. Matt Kosterman: And we just need to deal with Dominica Fischer: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And so, yeah, I woke up. I, I've never been so clear. I'd never been that I, the world literally looked more colorful. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Dominica Fischer: And so then I started playing with these ideas of, okay, well what else can I do? What else can I do internally to. Start healing myself and I, it's not that I even thought there was something wrong, but this idea of, okay, if I am feeling under the weather Yeah. Dominica Fischer: I immediately will go in and start talking to my body. Okay. And so there it's, and you know, whether, I don't know, maybe it is that, or maybe it's the orange juice, I don't know. Right, right. It's who knows. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. But what's. It's honestly, it's been such a fascinating journey of all that we can do through perception and intent. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And, and so this, the meditation took you into this, basically this, this idea of manifesting that we are constantly, we are always manifesting. Matt Kosterman: Like manifesting has become sort of a buzzword and like you learn how to manifest. You don't actually have to learn how to manifest. You are manifesting right now. Dominica Fischer: are all, every, Matt Kosterman: every billions of like Bashar talks about billions of a time, billions per second. Dominica Fischer: And that's that. The beautiful part about it is, and I think this is actually. It you if you just know that, if you just understand it and it's so easy to forget and it's so easy. I mean, I have another like, fun story. Dominica Fischer: I was, um, people's gas showed up at my door one day and um, there was a leak outside and somebody was walking by my house and they could smell it, and they basically are like, Hey, something's leaking. We have to come inside to see what's going on. Now, it wasn't leaking into my house, but it was a line that was actually, they had to. Dominica Fischer: Knock down a wall. right Yeah, yeah, Dominica Fischer: Yeah. So all of a sudden, out of nowhere, I have like all these people's gas employees coming in and out of my house, they're going downstairs. They're like, we have to knock down this wall. We have to get to this, um, this Matt Kosterman: valve or Dominica Fischer: Yeah, exactly. Dominica Fischer: To make sure, like to see what's going on. So I, you know, of course I'm like, okay. 'cause I don't, I don't wanna have my Matt Kosterman: you don't wanna blow up Yeah. Today, Dominica Fischer: Today or any other day. So, yeah. So it's, and I'm, I remember sitting in my kitchen and I'm stop myself from freaking out because it just all happens so fast. Dominica Fischer: Sure. That, and so I'm in this space, I'm like, okay, everything's okay. You are fine. You are not gonna blow up. Everything's fine. They're fixing it. Um. And getting a hold of myself, like a hold of my just emotions and the, the was this first step, but then the second step, I'm like, okay. What do you want? How do you want this to end? Dominica Fischer: How do you want? And so I said to myself, I want somebody to come up and tell me that they are going to create a panel for the hole in the wall that I have, if they ever have to access it again, that that will be a way for them to do that. And then it'll be done. And. You know, the whole thing will be over Dominica Fischer: you. Matt Kosterman: You, you could have gone and said, oh my God, my house is ruined and it's never gonna be the same. Of course. Right. And there's gonna be a scar on the wall, whatever. You know, you could have gone to whatever story you wanted to go into. Exactly. And you chose the story that you wanted to Dominica Fischer: go. Exactly. Dominica Fischer: And so, and yeah, I could have yelled at everybody. I could have been like, what the fuck are you guys? No. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Instead, I composed myself and I really thought. What do I actually want? Right? Not who do I wanna get back at? Not who do I wanna, but what do I actually want out of the situation? Matt? Dominica Fischer: Five minutes. Five minutes later, uh, one of the people comes up and he says to me, he looks at me, he goes, okay, we'll probably be done in about an hour or two. Would you like them to patch up the wall? Mm-hmm. Or I can have a guy out here in an hour or however, whenever they're done. Um. Dominica Fischer: Create a panel, so if we ever need to access that, we'll be able to have access to it. Dominica Fischer: I'm like, I'll take Matt Kosterman: I'll take the panel. Dominica Fischer: much. Matt Kosterman: I'll take B for a hundred. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: yeah. But watching him say those words, those exact words that I was just thinking five minutes ago was just this beautiful moment of Yep. You are creating it every single moment. Mm-hmm. Just remember, just remember to call out. Dominica Fischer: What do you want? The hard part about it is when our emotions kick Matt Kosterman: in. Yeah, I was gonna say and relax into it, Dominica Fischer: real. Yes. Matt Kosterman: that's, Matt Kosterman: where, you know, Dominica Fischer: all Matt Kosterman: a sudden everything closes down, Dominica Fischer: It does. It does. When the emotions get, like the story becomes Matt Kosterman: I'm a victim. Yes. As soon as the story becomes I'm a victim. Yes. Is when it derails. Dominica Fischer: It derails because then you judge the circumstance. You judge the people around you. You judge yourself. You judge Matt Kosterman: yourself. What do I do deserve this? Matt Kosterman: Yes, of Dominica Fischer: of course. Yeah. And so then, right, it all gets convoluted, right? Versus having a straight, what do I want? What do I actually want without, oh, poor me, or I'm angry, or I'm No, what do I actually want? Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Which is, I mean, that, which is such a great thing 'cause it's so personal to me because my work has been around what do I want Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. Because, Matt Kosterman: and, and I'm sure growing up as a a not wealthy immigrant Dominica Fischer: yeah, sure. Matt Kosterman: You weren't allowed to want No. I wasn't allowed to want. No, I didn't wanna move eight times, 10 times, whatever. Dominica Fischer: I did you have that in common? Matt Kosterman: Oh yeah. Yeah. I went to eight, eight schools before I got outta high school. yeah. Dominica Fischer: you have me doubled. Wow. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: We were all over the place. But I didn't, I remember I was, uh, in sixth grade and we were told that summer we were moving from Madison to New Jersey and I said, well, I don't want to move. Matt Kosterman: It doesn't matter what you want. Dominica Fischer: Ooh. Dominica Fischer: yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. And, and so you just, you know, it, it's, it's not even, so it's like being allowed to want, you're allowed to want, that's part of, you know, that's part of the permission slip. You're allowed, like you're allowed to want. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. But there's a lot of programming that says you're not. Dominica Fischer: Yes, yes. Ugh. Yes. Dominica Fischer: Especially Matt Kosterman: I mean, great on you for doing it, you know, in the moment of stress. I mean, I have a hard enough time just coming up with it, like. You know, what do I want for dinner? Dominica Fischer: Sure, sure, sure. Matt Kosterman: sure. Or, or where do I want to go on vacation or what, you know? Dominica Fischer: Yeah. But I had been training, I had been training my mind for then, like that happened I think two years ago. Dominica Fischer: I had been, then, I had been a while where it was actually was dispenses book, breaking the habit of being yourself. When I started to really understand, okay, it is. Yeah. Your, your, the way you're processing the world is the way the world is showing up for you. So start, yeah. Or just start thinking about how do you want the world to show up? Dominica Fischer: Yeah. And then the process, it can be that way. Like, well, how do I want the world to show up? Okay. If I want the world to show up in that way, what, how, how would somebody that wants this. Process the Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Dominica Fischer: It so you can go about it at a few different ways. Yeah. And I have, I've been mind, um, yeah, yeah. Dominica Fischer: On a, Matt Kosterman: yeah, I know. Like, just in fact, like just joining the club here a year ago and. I had to get, I've always had, not always, I, I've, I've been since I moved from the suburbs back into the city a few years ago, you know, you gotta pay for parking. Like it's just a thing right. In the city. Yeah. And so you just get over it. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Because otherwise your life's gonna be Dominica Fischer: miserable. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And then, you know, joining here and I was like, okay, you know, I can walk sometimes when it's nice, you know, it's fine. but okay, I'm gonna have to pay for parking at the, at the lot. Okay. It's just gonna be what it is. And then I thought, well, you know, there's valet and I thought, well. Matt Kosterman: I don't, I bet wealthy people don't ever think about how much they pay for valet Dominica Fischer: Isn't that? Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So why don't we test that out and see if we go broke? And guess what? I haven't gone broke yet. Dominica Fischer: and you're parking right outside and not having to, yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: the car's right there. So just a small, you know, thing. Matt Kosterman: But it, it was a big thing. And still, it's still like, oh, I'm only going for this long. Should I just go across, you know? Right. It's the programming. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: the only way out of it is through it. It Dominica Fischer: It is actually, it, it really is. And to, and that's the other brilliant part about meditation. Dominica Fischer: So it, the, the other beautiful part of being. Quiet with your thoughts and to truly not be able to like, not judge them and just go, huh, isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting? I, that just came through and without deciding, do I like it or not, just seriously, continuously. Giving yourself, start with five minutes, just, okay. Dominica Fischer: Fascinating. I felt that way, or I thought that way, or, and then, then after you're done, as those thoughts come up. It's really fascinating because the brain starts to go, huh? Isn't that interesting? Because you just did it five minutes, like whatever, 20 minutes ago, you did it for five whole minutes, every single thought that you had, you said, huh, isn't that interesting? Dominica Fischer: Without any judgment. And then that thought comes up again, and now in your waking life, you start to see it and you're like, huh. Matt Kosterman: Right. Isn't that interesting? Like, where did it come from? Dominica Fischer: and even even that, so Matt, I, I have stopped worrying about where it's Matt Kosterman: no. Right. And that was my point was like, people think that they're gonna turn off their Dominica Fischer: thoughts. Dominica Fischer: No. God no. Matt Kosterman: And I sat for 10 days inside of meditation and. Never once turned off the Dominica Fischer: thoughts. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. The only time Melissa Ford took me through a guided meditation once where the last thing that happened in my brain was a little serpent slithered out of the corner. Dominica Fischer: Amazing. Matt Kosterman: went and then it was just for like a couple Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It was completely quiet and I was like, oh, I wanna go back to this place. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: and I haven't gotten there yet, but That's okay. So I don't even like question, the question was just like, they're not your thoughts. Mm-hmm. They're just thoughts. Dominica Fischer: thoughts and we hold onto them so hard. Yeah, and so, right. Dominica Fischer: So then I was, then it started from, isn't that interesting to, huh? There's that thought. What if I looked at the situation differently and then it started becoming. No, I don't like how that feels. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna think about this, this way. Mm-hmm. And it, it's that whole training it, I mean, and play. Oh my gosh. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Because if you go in it with, why am I still thinking this? Why am I, it's, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Dominica Fischer: me now, it's been a decade. And there's moments where I find myself in a pity party and I'm like, okay, Matt Kosterman: we're gonna do this for a Dominica Fischer: do this. We're gonna do, we're gonna, we're here. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: And I mean, you know, it's funny 'cause I, I used to five minutes, that was how I started meditating as well. Matt Kosterman: And I'm, I'm, I don't have a regular practice. I'm semi-regular. Dominica Fischer: I don't either, but, Matt Kosterman: but I remember. And I am saying this for like the benefit of people listening. I remember how difficult, like that was excruciating to sit there either staring at a wall or staring at the inside of my eyelids for five minutes and now I can drop for 30 minutes or 60 minutes if I'm so Dominica Fischer: So Dominica Fischer: actually this is great. So for people listening that are, that this is how it feels, I would, so again, change your perspective, give yourself, put some music on whatever it is. Or maybe it's a guided meditation and. Think of it as rest. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. As I get to lie down for 10 minutes and it's good for me. It's not, I'm not being lazy. I'm not to do it. No, exactly. I'm not. So, and this is actually really good for me. And so, yeah. And really nothing needs Matt Kosterman: come out of it. No, because I used to, I also used to meditate before I played Dominica Fischer: playing dance. Right. Dominica Fischer: And they're like, Matt Kosterman: play and I'd play like shit, and I'd be like, pull, the meditation didn't work. Dominica Fischer: Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. It doesn't work that way. Dominica Fischer: No, it doesn't. Matt Kosterman: At least not right away Dominica Fischer: Play. Oh gosh. Play, play. See if you have a vision. See if you fall asleep. See if you like, just, yeah. Or maybe get a little bit of insight about who you like, what those thoughts are. Dominica Fischer: Sure. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So, so this concept that we're, we're constantly Dominica Fischer: manifesting. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. And meditation allows us to begin to, to better direct the manifestation. Yeah. Which takes us into, um, we've talked about this before. We did a, you and I, you, we had a session together. Uh uh. The Bankston method. Yeah, man, man. Really manifesting Dominica Fischer: manifesting stuff. Healing, yeah. Matt Kosterman: Material things, relationships. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Dominica Fischer: He's, he's a So for those, yeah. For your listeners, um, bill Bankston, he actually just recently passed. Yeah. he has a fascinating book. It's called The Energy Cure. It is how he, um, found, figured out his method, um. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Wild story. Wild story. The book is actually just a, like a, a story. It's a fun, yeah. I, that book ended up falling into my lap. I read it was fascinated. looked him up and he was having a workshop here in Chicago. I wanted to know like what the method was, what. COVID Hits and we were the first, um, online workshop, and it, it worked great. Dominica Fischer: It actually worked great. So this was during, yeah, 2020 of, I think March or April. and he, the method is that you write down 20 things that your, like your heart's desire. Mm-hmm. They have to be completely selfish. So Matt Kosterman: world peace. Dominica Fischer: not world peace, unless you think that world peace is somehow selfish to you. Dominica Fischer: Okay. Okay. So if we take the connotate Matt Kosterman: that angle. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Yeah. We can Dominica Fischer: If you wanna, if like, and again, if we wanna just also take the judgment out of the word selfish. Mm-hmm. So that it is not a bad thing to desire. What you want. and so you, you write down and why the other part about it has to be selfish is that it's, it's a really tricky thing to energetically involve somebody else. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. So you can't want something for your mother, Dominica Fischer: You are Right. Unless like, okay, let's say your mother is ill. You write it down that you want her to heal because it'll ease your mind. Okay. Right. So it has to be in the selfish way, the like, it'll make my life easier if this isn't happening. Which is otherwise Matt Kosterman: you're infringing on free will. Exactly. So it's It's all about free will. Dominica Fischer: Exactly. It is. And so it's the beautiful part about the 20 items is. I think any of us could write down 10 things that we want, whether it's trips, yeah. Things that we want, right. Homes, whatever those like, but it's in the Matt Kosterman: 20 gets 20 can 20 was challenging Dominica Fischer: Well, especially what you have talked about for those of us that were not allowed to want, all of a sudden you get into a space of. Dominica Fischer: Wait a second there, I, I could want more. Mm-hmm. I could. It becomes a really fascinating space. So actually I tend to take that first 10 and yes, write them out. But it's actually the latter 10, and then I, you, it can be more than 20, so if you wanna keep going. Dominica Fischer: So Dominica Fischer: it's that, that's where the juice is. That's where you're, that's where the stuff comes out of like, no, this, I actually. Dominica Fischer: I just want to experience what it would be like to, gosh. I mean, what are the things on my list? Try like just, Matt Kosterman: Ski in Switzerland Dominica Fischer: Yeah, exactly. Something like that. Exactly. I would love Matt Kosterman: in New Zealand. Dominica Fischer: Right. Yeah. Yeah. And those are just things that, and. Dominica Fischer: What's beautiful about the whole practice is when you start writing that, what starts happening to your heart center is because you start realizing, oh my gosh, there is so much more in my life that I still have the ability to go experience. Dominica Fischer: There's still so much more. and you have to. Do this list without, so this is the other hard part is without thinking, well, how the fuck would that Matt Kosterman: yeah. Right. Let go of, let, that's all right. It's, it's 18 plus. Dominica Fischer: Good. Okay. But yeah, Matt Kosterman: Let go of the out, let go of how or how or can it, Dominica Fischer: exactly. Because then, then, then the, right, then it starts to become this like, well, that would never, then you start to, Matt Kosterman: which is, there's a, that story is there. Yeah. Which is where the meditation is useful. Yeah. To see the, to see the Dominica Fischer: But yeah. But the, the, the. Dominica Fischer: God it for anybody listening, if you just want to have this really cool moment of seeing what your heart actually wants to experience in this life, do the list It takes maybe 30 to 45 minutes. Sure. Dominica Fischer: Just do the list. It's such a cool way of. Starting to understand, oh wait, there's still this and that, and it can be little things. There's, I've had on my list that, um, I have a pen whenever I need it, and then Matt, it makes those moments so magical because. I will go, okay, where's my pen? And it will show up. Dominica Fischer: It's so cool. It's so fun. And again, whether it's coincidence or not, who cares? 'cause all of a sudden that moment is magic. Matt Kosterman: Sure. Yeah. And then that maybe leads to that moment where you're like, I want a moment where my valet brings me my Mercedes. Yeah, Dominica Fischer: yeah. Matt Kosterman: Because there's no different, it's a reality. Matt Kosterman: It's all, it's all energy. Consciousness is all energy. Dominica Fischer: truly is. Yeah. And so it's, it's that whole practice. And then what was, I mean, there is a, there's what Bankston to go back to him, what Bankston talks about is if you can actually start to take your list and start seeing it, and then what you do is you start cycling through those images. Dominica Fischer: So like, okay, you're gonna think about the, the bungy jumping, right, the pound. Right, exactly. Exactly. Matt Kosterman: the dun, the dun then vi and, and visualize it and Dominica Fischer: and Matt Kosterman: best to feel it. Right? Dominica Fischer: And so his, he starts to go as fast as this, like Matt Kosterman: just cruising through Dominica Fischer: So if you're, and again, that whole, all of that starts to create a massive amount of energy in the body. Dominica Fischer: And what's fascinating is he's been able to heal. Yeah. With all of that energy to heal others. Yeah, yeah. Matt Kosterman: In big ways. In And as, as have people who have trained with Matt Kosterman: him. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, that's, and so I've, I've gone to trainings. I've done some things. I've, again, whether my. Ability to heal. Dominica Fischer: Someone has worked or not. Again, I will, and he says this all the time, whether it's the orange juice or whether it's the actual, who cares, right? But they got better. And that's the cool Matt Kosterman: Well, Matt Kosterman: that's the cool thing. The other cool thing is the, the man is a, an avow. Matt Kosterman: He was an avowed skeptic. Dominica Fischer: Yes. He's not a Woo. Matt Kosterman: He's not a woo. Dominica Fischer: he's Dominica Fischer: not. Matt Kosterman: he's not, and he's a scientist. He was a, like a, some kind of a professor in New York. Uh, Dominica Fischer: I forget Matt Kosterman: yeah. I forget where. but he didn't believe any of this stuff until he started testing it with graduate students on mice with cancer. And they were healing 80, 90%, a hundred percent of these mice with non-believing grad students doing this method. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, that's, Matt Kosterman: that's, yeah, that's, yeah. Wild. Dominica Fischer: I know. Wild. Yeah. but, and Matt, I, on my list long ago was the, the want to heal someone, and I will say. Then my husband got cancer. Mm-hmm. And I realized I never want to be a healer again. Mm-hmm. It, it was him that I used the methadone, he is totally fine, everything's great. Dominica Fischer: But it was this moment of. Be careful for what you put on that list because it might, it's so powerful. Yeah, it's powerful. And whether, I don't think that I gave him cancer in any way, but the moment presented itself to me, and I'll tell you this, I never want that moment again. I, I do want the Mercedes, I do Matt Kosterman: that. Dominica Fischer: again. Dominica Fischer: But you know, it's these, like, you, you start to see these things come in and you're like, oh, whoa. Yeah, this is, this is. I didn't quite think this through, which is such a great Uhhuh. It's the first part is, is that it does, it works. And I think that's the bigger thing that now I teach here at Beyond is. Dominica Fischer: What's so neat about the lists and about doing it and about is that the brain starts to say, oh, this isn't just some sort of like thing like that, oh, I'd love to go to Paris if whatever it is, if you write it down and all of a sudden the opportunity comes up, the brain goes. that's on your list, friend. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. So you better start taking that opportunity because it's literally right here in front of you. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So the, it's a funny, it's, it's interesting whether it literally is just the brain pushing you to do it a little bit harder. Sure. Because it is actually been written down. 'cause Dominica Fischer: whereas Matt Kosterman: before you might've been like, oh yeah, I said I wanted to go to Paris. But Right. Doesn't every, doesn't everybody exactly Dominica Fischer: right. Doesn't everybody, and I will. And so coming from this place, that also has a bit of skepticism, even from everything that I've seen and everything that I've done, whether it's still that childhood, like, no, you're not, you're not that. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. That's not it. It's whether whatever that is. I still try and logically, so there's a part of me that's like, well, fine. If it's the brain just going, Hey, that's on your list and pushing you a little further to go, then great. Matt Kosterman: Or maybe it's the heart pushing the brain. Right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: They always, you know, they talk about the, you know, the, the king or queen must relinquish its throne. Matt Kosterman: where the brain is, the king or the queen, gender identity, you know how you identify, but it's, we're being led by something else. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. If we let it, if we let it, Matt Kosterman: and it's not easy. It, Dominica Fischer: it is. That's the fascinating part is like, gosh, there's so many of us that have these moments of like, whoa. Dominica Fischer: And then yet we find ourselves in the day-to-day of Dominica Fischer: The, yeah. Being led or feeling like our life isn't ours. So Yeah. It's, it's, Matt Kosterman: mean, it's, it's simple Dominica Fischer: And then it's not, Matt Kosterman: and then it's Dominica Fischer: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: So how do you Dominica Fischer: incorporate, so Matt Kosterman: what are you doing these days with the visions, with the quantum field that you're seeing with the things that show up? Is that, are, are you able to, I don't wanna say control it or a allow it more or use it? Dominica Fischer: so I love this question actually because I myself am trying to figure out still kind of what is, what are the next steps? How do I. Matt Kosterman: because it still shows up the visions, Dominica Fischer: it still shows up. It's actually what's fascinating is now I can't tell anymore whether, because it, it used to hit me so hard. Dominica Fischer: Okay. And I think now because I'm able to breach that space in, in because of meditation, I'm able to go into those spaces. I'm able to have conversations. Dominica Fischer: whether Dominica Fischer: it, I don't know who it is. I don't know. It doesn't have a different type of voice, but it definitely feels different. Feels different. so what's next? Dominica Fischer: I, I mean, Dominica Fischer: I would love to, I'm still on the path of trying to understand why. These things are happening. Matt Kosterman: Mm-hmm. Dominica Fischer: I, Matt Kosterman: which is sort of the ultimate Dominica Fischer: I think so. I mean, I Matt Kosterman: you might not ever, Dominica Fischer: might not ever Dominica Fischer: um, it's gotten. Matt Kosterman: Far Dominica Fischer: it's gotten me far and I think, I think Matt Kosterman: line of questioning. Dominica Fischer: yeah, I think that's the next part. Dominica Fischer: I think, um, I was, I think the next part is true remote viewing. I've done a little bit of it. I've found myself in spaces, but I. I haven't been able to be intentional about it, so I haven't been able to say, I wanna see this space and I find myself in this space. Mm-hmm. So it's still a little random where all of a sudden I'll find myself and I know that I'm looking in on something real. Okay. Um. Matt Kosterman: have, have you done anything with Lucid Dreaming? Dominica Fischer: No, I haven't Matt Kosterman: dreaming, so Matt Kosterman: I, Dominica Fischer: I'm, I, so I'm a little afraid of that. I think I read a lot of Carlos Castaneda, and I think that has put a little bit of a, okay. Matt Kosterman: Um, Matt Kosterman: you okay there? I worked with a beautiful woman who's gonna be on the show, uh, eventually next year. She's tied up this year, but Menta Barber. Is lives down. She lives down in, uh, uh, in, in Guatemala, and she teaches, uh, courses in Lucid Dreaming. Oh, okay. Dominica Fischer: Oh, okay. I'll, I'll look her up. Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Perfect. Matt Kosterman: perfect. And then there's the, the, uh, travels outside of the body by Monroe. Dominica Fischer: yeah, Matt Kosterman: from the Monroe founder of the Monroe Institute. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Which, Dominica Fischer: and Matt Kosterman: I think with you, I, I don't, I think with your innate abilities, there's, there's nothing to fear because they give you the tools. Matt Kosterman: It's basically. You, you set up ahead of time, like a talisman. Like I know if I see the diet Sprite on the counter, I'll know I'm dreaming. Matt Kosterman: And so then when you see the diet, oh, okay, this is a dream. And then you can begin to control it. Now, I haven't done it. I'm speaking from reading the book. Matt Kosterman: Okay. Or you say, or I'm gonna, you know, somebody's gonna be wearing a purple ring on their third finger. Wow. And, and then I know I'm dreaming, Dominica Fischer: so maybe this is a bit serendipitous because I am, I'm still, I'm in a space, Matt, where, so of March this year, I actually went in and I specifically asked, I'm like, please, I need some guidance of, oh. Dominica Fischer: What, what's the next step? What am I, what is all of this? I'm, I have, I've been traversing these spaces. I've been able to do things with these spaces. What is the overall goal? Like, what, what am I doing here? And the, the voice said. You have a lifetime to figure it out. So I was like, I hate that answer. Dominica Fischer: Really. Okay. So actually the then that, I just remember that moment of fine. I'll take a lifetime to figure it out then. but yeah, so maybe this is a bit of a. I've been, I almost, I almost put that question on hold since then, but it has been popping up more and more. So maybe this is kind of the next, the next space to Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You know, we all, everybody wants to find their purpose, right? And what, right? Yes. Yes. And I love the, you know, um, Paul SIGs guides and the, the teaching is like, you know, you're, I know how I serve, I serve in this body as this being, yeah. That is our service. Like anything above that is gravy. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Right. Like, you don't have to look for your purpose. It will find Dominica Fischer: will find you. Matt Kosterman: and you're serving simply by being you're, you're serving your soul. Because you're, you're learn, you're learning all kinds of lessons that you can't learn when you float around. There're up and then the nothingness from contentment on up. Matt Kosterman: It's all just fun, right? I Dominica Fischer: I mean, Matt Kosterman: it's like, who is, I was talking to somebody that, oh, I just wish I was, did yoga all the time. I said, but if you did yoga on the beach all the time, you'd be tired of doing yoga on the beach all Dominica Fischer: the time. Truly. Matt Kosterman: I mean, we're, we're here for all of the different things. As much as it sucks sometimes. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. I, yeah, you're, that's right. yeah, and that I, um, Matt Kosterman: so I was just curious. I wasn't like trying to push like, you need to do something to this. I was Dominica Fischer: was just curious of where, no, I, this has been a, this has been a, I think this, this. Whole year has been an exploration of, so what's the actual next step? And, um, I mean, Matt, there's, there's, Dominica Fischer: uh. Dominica Fischer: I, I have had visions on being able to teleport. I've had visions on. Dominica Fischer: So there's, again, and it's funny 'cause I'm talking to you and there's, there's like, oh, okay. No, I'm in a safe space of saying these things, but there's definitely, when I say that there's this hitch of, oh God, there, everybody's just gonna think I'm Matt Kosterman: No. I mean, no, this the stuff that I read, I mean, I don't know when it will happen, but, you know, people like Maharaji Ram Dasis guy, he teleported. He would, he would Dominica Fischer: Yes. Matt Kosterman: s baba would would conjure gold out of thin air. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: these are all, you know, beings on this, you know, look at Jesus Christ, the Jesu, right? Matt Kosterman: Yeah. You need to strip away all of the religious things from him. He was a being who ha, who was at a very, very high vibration. And we, I talked about this with, with Laura's guides on two episodes ago. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Who was trying to show us what, what is, what were, it's possible for us as humans. And, and we all hear about the vibration, about the change, about the new Earth. Matt Kosterman: And it's just, you know, I'm like you, I'm like, when, when, when, when, when, when, when. Dominica Fischer: Yes. Yes. Matt Kosterman: do? What do I gotta Dominica Fischer: What, what, what? Okay. Alright. What's the step by step again? Tell me the, how do I, yeah, yeah. But yeah, so I, I, Matt Kosterman: I think as far out as it probably sounds to a lot of you listening. These things are coming maybe not within our lifetime. Matt Kosterman: I don't know. Dominica Fischer: I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, something is definitely, so actually maybe that is how the, so whether it's the remote viewing leads to actual transplantation of physical self. Dominica Fischer: Right. but yeah, I've, I've had moments where I've seen it and mm-hmm. It, or, and I've had moments where I've seen myself walk by me and I. It's this, it's so surreal. Interesting. It's happened twice now. Wow. And I'm like, Dominica Fischer: am I actually, did I tele board what, what's happening here? Or is this like a timeline shift or is this a Right, right, right. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. So Dominica Fischer: I've Matt Kosterman: had, I've had once or twice I've had like Russian nesting dolls. Dreams Within Dominica Fischer: Yes. Within dreams, yes. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Like I've woke and then I awoke again, and then I woke again. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. Like you say, Matt Kosterman: it's all a dream. You know, this is, this whole thing is a dream. Um, Dominica Fischer: it is. Well, what's ever happening right now? Dominica Fischer: I'm getting super dizzy, so Matt Kosterman: Are you Dominica Fischer: I am, yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the, yeah. It's, it's almost like, Matt Kosterman: yeah, I feel it's a little, Dominica Fischer: little, it's a little wooey in here for Dominica Fischer: sure. Matt Kosterman: floaty. Sure. Maybe it's just, maybe the thermostat just needs to be turned down. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: um, so what's, what's your advice to somebody. Who's interested or struggling, let's say, you know, interested or Dominica Fischer: Sure. Matt Kosterman: With life because yeah, we tend to, Dominica Fischer: yeah. Um hmm. Matt Kosterman: Where do you start? Dominica Fischer: do you start Art, I think, gosh, where do you start? It's such a, okay. Breaking the habit of being yourself by Dispenza is such a phenomenal book. Beautiful. It really truly is. The bones of you are creating your own reality and that you can start creating the reality that you want. Dominica Fischer: Mm-hmm. It is such a great book. Um. And really, I, I, again, I mean, I know meditation could be hard, but just think of it as like an, like, you get to lie down for 10 minutes and it's good for you. And it's like, there, it's like, Dominica Fischer: it Matt Kosterman: it doesn't have to be, like, I, I tend to go hardcore. I go for Zen, I go for vipasana, I go for, you know, no close my eyes. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Dominica Fischer: And it's gotta be right. You're in a Matt Kosterman: that way. It doesn't have to be Dominica Fischer: way. It doesn't have to be that way. and yeah, I mean, gosh, if you wanna play the, um, the Sandra Erman book visioning is, is just, it's so fun. Mm-hmm. It's such a fun, yeah. It's such a fun way of like starting to getting into like the space of, of Dominica Fischer: Of, there's something else. Yeah. and the Matt Kosterman: is very powerful. Dominica Fischer: It really is. The drumming. Matt Kosterman: a reason that we've been doing that for thousands of Dominica Fischer: Yeah. And it's so cool that shamanism has, through all cultures, whether it's. They find they found it in, in Siberia, right? Yeah, exactly. As well as in, you know, in Mexico or in Russia or, right. Dominica Fischer: I mean it's, yeah, so it's throughout the entire world is, is these roots of shamanism. So it's a cool, I mean, it, it definitely, ah, just go for it. I was gonna say. It's not a beginner, but really, honestly, just if that's calling to you, go for it. Yeah. Um, Matt Kosterman: up a a a a drum. Matt Kosterman: A drum track from Engerman. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. Yeah. yeah, Yeah. Matt Kosterman: Yeah. I'm actually registered in April for a shamanic de arming, a two, a two week retreat. That's a really deep dive into Dominica Fischer: oh, I can't wait to hear how that goes. Matt Kosterman: so that'll be a Dominica Fischer: So that'll be a interesting, Dominica Fischer: yeah. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: The shamanic path is definitely a. Matt Kosterman: A strong one for me. Matt Kosterman: Yeah, Dominica Fischer: it's fascinating. Matt Kosterman: cra there's a lot of stuff that going on that you have no idea is actually going on. Dominica Fischer: no, I think that's the other kind of beautiful thing is really maybe just also letting go of the fact of like, I don't know that we're gonna know what's going on. Matt Kosterman: Right. Matt Kosterman: mystery. It Dominica Fischer: a mystery. It is. It's a mystery and. But yeah, those, I think those of just if for listeners that are trying to find. Kind of some peace and some, or just some understanding. Dominica Fischer: Those two books are phenomenal. The Energy Cure by Bill Bankston is such an interesting read. And then if you want go, you know, there's tons of, there's people that meet and do cycling. there's groups all over that kind of meet and do that. Um, Matt Kosterman: yeah. Follow the breadcrumbs. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, I think that's right. Dominica Fischer: Follow the breadcrumbs. Oh, and. really, truly follow your weird. Matt Kosterman: Mm mm I like that. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. so it is, it's actually, I think the other hard part about manifesting is when we think we want somebody else's life or we think we want things that other people have. Yeah. And so when you really. F Like follow your weird, like, oh no, I would wanna experience this. Dominica Fischer: And I know that nobody else would. Nobody else Matt Kosterman: shamanic Deming, like who wants to, who wants to, you know, you do go Dominica Fischer: you're so excited. Right, right. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: For two weeks with strangers Dominica Fischer: and that are like drumming and you're Matt Kosterman: Yeah. Who, who even knows what the hell's gonna happen, but yeah. That it's, Dominica Fischer: But you do and you're so excited. Matt Kosterman: I'm jazzed about it. Dominica Fischer: Exactly. Yeah. And so follow that. Like for the listeners that are like, follow your weird. Yeah, follow. I love that. Yeah. It's so good. Yeah. Matt Kosterman: a new bumper sticker. Dominica Fischer: Totally. Matt Kosterman: And if it's on, if it's on my car, then they're definitely following the weird, yeah. Dominica Fischer: Yeah. It's, it's when my life really shifted is when I really said yes and started going into, and I followed my weird Yeah. Dominica Fischer: Yeah, where Matt Kosterman: are. Well, thanks Tom. Oh my Dominica Fischer: Oh Matt Kosterman: it was so Dominica Fischer: So yeah, this was great. I Matt Kosterman: doing these in person too. Matt Kosterman: It's great. Yeah, Dominica Fischer: yeah, yeah. Thanks so much. Yeah, thanks for having me. Matt Kosterman: And we're out. Thanks a lot. See y'all or hear you all or talk to y'all next time.