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Ep. 1011: Foundations - Smarter Hunters or Dumber Deer? · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
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  Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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  Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.
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  Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
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  Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about the two
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  Speaker 2: dominant types of hunting strategies and how we often get
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  Speaker 2: both wrong and how we can actually use both of
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  Speaker 2: them in almost all of our different situations. In the
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  Speaker 2: last twenty years or so, we've really watched whitetail hunting
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  Speaker 2: split into two factions. On one side, you have folks
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  Speaker 2: working the land of the best of their abilities to
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  Speaker 2: create places that bucks really like. And on the other side,
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  Speaker 2: you have people who say they are going to meet
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  Speaker 2: the deer wherever they are and get the best of
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  Speaker 2: them pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Much on their own terms.
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  Speaker 2: But most of the hunters I talk to kind of
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  Speaker 2: land right in the middle of these two ideologies, but
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  Speaker 2: don't often seem to understand what that really means. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it kind of means everything to success, which is what
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about right now. I know a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you find folks know that I am a
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  Speaker 2: pretty big fan of bird dogs. I love training them,
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  Speaker 2: I love hunting with them, and with one dog at
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  Speaker 2: thirteen years old and another coming into her prime at five,
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  Speaker 2: I'm really thinking hard about getting a puppy in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven, and I honestly love training puppies. If I
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  Speaker 2: could put it into perspective that deer hunters might understand,
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this treat training a little pupster at eight
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  Speaker 2: weeks old to sit and stay and come when called
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  Speaker 2: is kind of like winter scouting for white tails. Both
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  Speaker 2: seem pretty far removed from the end goal, but without
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  Speaker 2: them doesn't really get you where you need to go
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  Speaker 2: to achieve what you want. It's the necessary steps now
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  Speaker 2: with a puppy, or I guess I should say a
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  Speaker 2: young dog, like anything under two years old, you can't
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  Speaker 2: get results from a couple different training styles. Not too
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  Speaker 2: long ago, you know, I'll say a handful of decades
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  Speaker 2: that puppy would have likely been trained with a lot
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  Speaker 2: more fear than you might see today. What I mean
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  Speaker 2: by that is punishment was a tool that was used judiciously,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of working dogs understood that the behaviors
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  Speaker 2: they were expected to deliver were way down with the
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  Speaker 2: prospect of getting smacked, whacked, hit, whatever. Eventually, that punishment
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  Speaker 2: took the form of some electricity delivered right to their
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  Speaker 2: next via the first e callers, which, as you can imagine,
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  Speaker 2: didn't have you know, tone or vibrate functions like modern
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  Speaker 2: e callers do. This doesn't mean that all dogs were
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  Speaker 2: trained in a medieval fashion, but that it was definitely
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  Speaker 2: accepted as a route you could go down to get
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  Speaker 2: results out of your dog. But along the way, other
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  Speaker 2: folks figured out that getting a dog to work for
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  Speaker 2: a positive reward actually produced consistent results and seemed to
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  Speaker 2: improve the working relationship between man and beast. Today you
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  Speaker 2: won't see the old school style shown much on Instagram reels,
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  Speaker 2: but it hasn't gone away completely. The positive reinforcement style
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  Speaker 2: has definitely taken over, though, and I'm guessing that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of dogs feel that's been a move in the
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  Speaker 2: right direction. Another thing about this is you can look
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  Speaker 2: at each style and say, matter of factory, that both
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  Speaker 2: can deliver the exact same results in the end.
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  Speaker 3: Because that's kind of how it looks.
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  Speaker 2: But what that doesn't take into account is a lot,
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  Speaker 2: and it matters to us and it matters to the dogs.
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  Speaker 2: There are different ways to skin the old kiddie, and
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  Speaker 2: this is something that I've been thinking about a lot.
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  Speaker 2: With deer, we have really split into two different factions,
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  Speaker 2: and either is something to aspire to.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that a lot of folks don't quite.
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  Speaker 2: Understand the messaging and the reality of going down one
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  Speaker 2: deer hunting road versus the other. I'll just start with
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  Speaker 2: an easy one here and one that is really attractive
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  Speaker 2: to a lot of hunters, which is the land management style.
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  Speaker 2: Now we call this land management partially because that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what it is. You're trying to make some ground as
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  Speaker 2: appealing to deer as possible, so you change it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you have food blots, hinge cutting, plant some fruit trees
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  Speaker 2: in a waterhole, whatever. You're fixing up the place and
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  Speaker 2: looking for the best renters. This style looks so appealing
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  Speaker 2: because it will looks easy once the work's kind of done.
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  Speaker 2: And we see it all the time in the hunting media.
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  Speaker 2: It's a method that is designed to lull bucks into
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  Speaker 2: a false sense of security until they are big enough
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  Speaker 2: to get killed. You kind of actually are dumbing down
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  Speaker 2: the deer now. The other faction is the DIY crowd
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  Speaker 2: that hunts public land exclusively. Is a total gear junkie,
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  Speaker 2: you know, who wants to learn every aspect of a
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  Speaker 2: wild buck's life and figure him out right where he
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  Speaker 2: lives all year in places where everybody is trying to
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  Speaker 2: kill him. That requires the hunter to level up through scouting,
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  Speaker 2: shooting strategies, and every other thing that doesn't involve changing
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  Speaker 2: the deer's behavior, which is what the first strategy kind
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  Speaker 2: of does. What we are drawn to in each style
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  Speaker 2: is probably a direct reflection of a couple of personal things.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: One is money, and if you have enough of it,
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  Speaker 2: the land management style probably really speaks to you for
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  Speaker 2: obvious reasons. If not, you're probably still paying off your
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  Speaker 2: layoway saddle from three months ago. You're on the other
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  Speaker 2: side of the equation. Another is just probably an intangible
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  Speaker 2: that lives in all of us, which is how much
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  Speaker 2: we value the trophy aspect. Some folks like big antlers
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  Speaker 2: above everything else, and that's great. Others place a higher
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  Speaker 2: value in the process by which the whole thing happens,
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  Speaker 2: and that crowd loves big antlers too, but not if
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  Speaker 2: there is an asterisk attached to them in their view.
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  Speaker 3: So who's right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know how I feel about it, but my
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  Speaker 2: stance has softened a lot in recent years. This debate
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  Speaker 2: reminds me of growing up in a little dairy farming
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  Speaker 2: community in Minnesota and the music that we were exposed
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  Speaker 2: to then. Now, as you can imagine, country music was
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  Speaker 2: big for that crowd, but most country has never really
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  Speaker 2: landed well with me. Now, at a time when bands
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  Speaker 2: like Tool and Pearl Jam and Alison Chains and Nirvana
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  Speaker 2: were hitting the scene with some real anger, Garth Brooks
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  Speaker 2: and Alan Jackson and Brooks and Dunn and I don't
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  Speaker 2: know who else, we're doing their thing as well, the
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  Speaker 2: choice was so easy it was stupid, and it bothered
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  Speaker 2: me that more of my peers didn't see things my way. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. Listen to what you like
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  Speaker 2: because it's all subjective, like almost everything in life, and
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  Speaker 2: when we draw a hard line on it for some
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  Speaker 2: dumb reason, it doesn't make sense. Very often, I've had
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  Speaker 2: plenty of folks, you know, shit in my choice. Elaborador
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  Speaker 2: Retrievers but that's just not the dog for them, just
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  Speaker 2: like a Brocco Italiano just wouldn't fit into my life.
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  Speaker 3: Who cares?
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  Speaker 2: Get the dogs you love, listen to the music that
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  Speaker 2: brings joy to your heart, and live and let live,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. But does that work with deer. It would
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  Speaker 2: if we understood how to make it work with the
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  Speaker 2: two competing factions. But we seem to misunderstand this a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Let me start with an easy to digest example here.
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  Speaker 2: When I first bought a little property in twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 2: I had huge, and I mean huge dreams about food
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  Speaker 2: plots and just working on the land. So that's what
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  Speaker 2: I did, and I'll tell you what, Bobby, I had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fun. I still I'll have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fun with it when it's March and there's nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do, but you know, put on some work gloves
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  Speaker 2: and mix some oil and gas that start cutting down
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  Speaker 2: some trees. I am at peace with the world, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm not even joking. I love it. And I think
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  Speaker 2: the most understated part of owning any land you know
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  Speaker 2: that is primarily four deer hunting, is that it's just
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  Speaker 2: so damn much fun to work on. But you know what,
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  Speaker 2: didn't happen. I didn't kill any big bucks on those
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  Speaker 2: food plots or those trails I cut. In fact, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't hardly kill anything because of it, but a couple
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  Speaker 2: of my buddies did and later my kids did. You know,
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  Speaker 2: no big bucks, mind you, But we weren't trophy hunting
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  Speaker 2: too hard, so it has been just buying for all involved.
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  Speaker 2: And the reason that we kill sports instead of one
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  Speaker 2: forties is because that area that I own the land
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  Speaker 2: in sucks for hunting.
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  Speaker 3: Mostly.
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  Speaker 2: The big deer are around, but they're extremely rare and
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  Speaker 2: the hunting pressure is pretty intense. The properties are also
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  Speaker 2: just way too small for any sort of meaningful management.
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  Speaker 3: You see.
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  Speaker 2: I leaned pretty hard into the land management style because
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  Speaker 2: I had land, but it didn't really change the arc
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  Speaker 2: of my hunting success a whole lot, because the overall
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  Speaker 2: situation didn't lend itself to that style being the best choice.
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  Speaker 2: The deer was still few and far between and not
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  Speaker 2: strangers to hunting pressure. It wasn't enough to have a
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  Speaker 2: quarter acre of clover, and we still had to hunt
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  Speaker 2: them and learn them and figure them out and fail
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  Speaker 2: a whole bunch. And we are still doing exactly that now.
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  Speaker 2: At the same time I was learning this lesson, I
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  Speaker 2: was spending most of my personal hunting time over there,
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  Speaker 2: running and gunning on public land, mostly unsuccessfully. I might add,
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  Speaker 2: I drive over there, have a weekend to hunt, get
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  Speaker 2: something going sometimes, then drive home and figure out when
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  Speaker 2: I could get back. Now, I'm no stranger to public
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  Speaker 2: land hunting, as you know, because I'll tell anyone.
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  Speaker 3: Who will listen. I also have the best gear.
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  Speaker 2: I have a lot of experience in that realm, and
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  Speaker 2: I still mostly got my ass kicked over there. Because
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  Speaker 2: that style, when you really go deep on it, requires
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  Speaker 2: a lot of time and commitment, one that if you
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  Speaker 2: can't make it, you won't see. Mostly, you see, we
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  Speaker 2: are drawn to one style or another based on a
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  Speaker 2: lot of personal stuff. But the best hunters try to
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  Speaker 2: learn from whatever source they can and then imply that
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  Speaker 2: to their unique situations, and they go out to learn,
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  Speaker 2: not to just emulate someone else's tactics. Let me break
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  Speaker 2: this down as simply as possible. Without enough land and
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  Speaker 2: enough money and time, you just won't have results like
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  Speaker 2: Leelakowski does, no matter how much you try to emulate
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  Speaker 2: his style of land management. Just like if you don't
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  Speaker 2: have enough time and enough discipline to scout your ass
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  Speaker 2: off and hunt whenever possible, like Andy May does on
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  Speaker 2: Public You won't go broke paying for shoulder mounts. The
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  Speaker 2: key is to try to draw as much as you
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  Speaker 2: can from as many relevant sources as possible, and then
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  Speaker 2: look at what you're willing to bring to the table.
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  Speaker 2: I look at this kind of like financial advice. In
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  Speaker 2: the last decade, we've seen people going full port with
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies while shouting from the rooftops that
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  Speaker 2: this will dislodge and replace fiat currency. We've seen financial
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  Speaker 2: gurus explain how to get your hands on a dozen
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  Speaker 2: short term rental houses and really see your monthly cash
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  Speaker 2: flow go through the roof, even if the average person
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  Speaker 2: can't even really get out of renting, or if they do,
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  Speaker 2: their own personal mortgage is about all they can handle.
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  Speaker 2: And then in the middle of all that stuff, there's
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  Speaker 2: a set it and forget it bogel Head movement, where
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  Speaker 2: folks quietly put away what they can in broad market
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  Speaker 2: index funds over time, and they accumulate enough to exit
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  Speaker 2: the cubicle at a reasonable age and not have to
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  Speaker 2: stress too hard overtaking the grandkids to Disney World every year.
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  Speaker 2: But what would be right for you? Well, what's your
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  Speaker 2: financial education, Like, what's your risk tolerance, your partner's risk tolerance,
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  Speaker 2: your job security, and on and on. The best answers
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  Speaker 2: for most of us often involve borrowing a piece from
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  Speaker 2: this strategy and that one until we have a full
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  Speaker 2: plan that allows us to sleep pretty well at night.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think deer hunting is all that much different.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you can't put in a food plot because you
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  Speaker 2: only hunt public land, well that kind of sucks, But
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  Speaker 2: you can still learn about deer food, and when you do,
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  Speaker 2: you usually learn how to kill deer pretty consistently. Browse
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  Speaker 2: patterns and mass patterns are often a hell of a
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  Speaker 2: lot more subtle and harder to read than figuring out
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  Speaker 2: when the deer are eating in a kill plot with
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  Speaker 2: lush brassicas in it. But the results might not look
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  Speaker 2: all that different when you're notching your tag. Just like
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  Speaker 2: the box blind center might have a real case of
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  Speaker 2: deer burnout going on in his spot when he could
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  Speaker 2: carry a lightweight hang on into the woods and surprise
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  Speaker 2: the bucks by showing up where.
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  Speaker 3: They least expect him.
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  Speaker 2: That style is the cornerstone of most public land, deer
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  Speaker 2: hunters foundations, and it works. Human nature is geared toward
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  Speaker 2: finding easy. Our whole society, hell, most of our economy
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  Speaker 2: is built on easier, easier, easier. It's gene deep in us, because,
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  Speaker 2: after all, why would we work harder than we need to.
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  Speaker 2: But with deer, the appeal of easy often leads us
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  Speaker 2: into a more difficult path, because what is easy for
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  Speaker 2: one person to accomplish is close enough to impossible for
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  Speaker 2: someone else that it just counts that way. I saw
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  Speaker 2: a video of a guy juggling bowling pins while skiing recently,
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  Speaker 2: and to make it more impressive, he hit a jump
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  Speaker 2: and did a backflip, which he landed while still juggling.
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  Speaker 2: When you see someone shoot a one hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 2: three inch deer in a food plot on YouTube, or
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  Speaker 2: someone else killing one hundred and sixty three inch deer
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  Speaker 2: on public land in Indiana or wherever, it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: like the hunting version of juggling while doing a backflip
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  Speaker 2: off a jump on skis. There are a few people
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  Speaker 2: who can do it, but it's mostly unavailable to the
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  Speaker 2: rest of us. Or even when something looks easy, if
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  Speaker 2: it's impressive, it probably isn't. So instead of looking to
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  Speaker 2: certain hunting styles or tactics as a way to make
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  Speaker 2: hunting easier, which is the surface level promise, use that
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  Speaker 2: stuff to try to make yourself better. And this is
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  Speaker 2: maybe the most important part I can think of. Borrow
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  Speaker 2: from whatever tactics and strategies could benefit you specifically.
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  Speaker 3: Then figure out how to develop them for yourself. Think
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  Speaker 3: of it like this.
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  Speaker 2: No one thought about bed hunting, I mean really figuring
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  Speaker 2: out where specific box bed and when they bed in
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  Speaker 2: certain spots and how that can be exploited until dan
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  Speaker 2: Infold really blew up that world. But you might not
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  Speaker 2: be in a position to go find a giant loan
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  Speaker 2: bed tucked into a willow patch on the edge of
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  Speaker 2: a cattail slough and use that to kill a one
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  Speaker 2: p forty on public. But maybe instead the principles of
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  Speaker 2: bed hunting, like wind direction, location advantages and all of
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  Speaker 2: that jazz play into your deer lease and you can
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  Speaker 2: use that to figure out when to hunt a certain
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  Speaker 2: pinch point stand or maybe where to slip in some
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  Speaker 2: early October morning to catch one munching on acorns before
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  Speaker 2: he heads up to a hillside bench to snooze the
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  Speaker 2: day away. Maybe you think that the box find over
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  Speaker 2: the food plot with name deer Hunter doesn't represent your
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  Speaker 2: style in any way, but you see how they use
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  Speaker 2: sell cameras to pin down daylight movement, or you watch
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  Speaker 2: how they manage scent, and you realize that you could
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  Speaker 2: borrow from that style for when you take the kids
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  Speaker 2: out in a pop up to try to shoot any
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  Speaker 2: legal deer. We are in a tribal mess as a
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  Speaker 2: society right now where we really want to belong to
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  Speaker 2: certain groups and all of that shit that goes along
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  Speaker 2: with it, and that has bled right down through into
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  Speaker 2: this world of white tails. But the truth is you're
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  Speaker 2: not really part of any deer group. You're just doing
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  Speaker 2: your thing, and your situation isn't really like a lot
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  Speaker 2: of other folks. It can't be, because even though you
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  Speaker 2: are a public land hunting saddle junkie, you also work
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  Speaker 2: second shift and have limited pto the constraints on our hunting,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or maybe the guardrails, I should say, don't
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  Speaker 2: exist just when we leave the truck behind and we
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  Speaker 2: hit the woods. Our lives outside of hunting influence our
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  Speaker 2: success far more than we care to admit. But so
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  Speaker 2: do our hunting styles and our preferred tactics. We often
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  Speaker 2: hunt exactly how we want and then hope the weather
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  Speaker 2: or the seasonal timing will rescue us from a largely easy,
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  Speaker 2: but mostly doomed to plan, when instead we should be
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  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to not have to worry
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  Speaker 2: about the weather or the seasonal timing, putting deer in
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  Speaker 2: front of us where we want to hunt. A better
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  Speaker 2: way to look at is to figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: hunt in spite of what we perceive as something working
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  Speaker 2: against us, no matter what our personal situation allows. What
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  Speaker 2: that ultimately means is that you should take ideas and
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  Speaker 2: thoughts from anyone who might be able to offer you
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  Speaker 2: up something actionable, and then try to put it into
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  Speaker 2: action in your own world, because what you take away
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  Speaker 2: from someone just won't encompass your whole life and hunting situation.
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  Speaker 2: But it can be a spark that lights a fire
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  Speaker 2: you just didn't expect, or it can just be the
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  Speaker 2: little curiosity see that grows into a good reason to
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  Speaker 2: winter scout real hard for the first time in your life.
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  Speaker 2: Then you just have to remember that nothing is static
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  Speaker 2: and the growth doesn't stop just because you kill a
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  Speaker 2: good one two years in a row. Eventually something will
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  Speaker 2: change and you'll have to try to figure things out again.
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  Speaker 3: That's what this process really is.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a destination but a long and winding journey
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  Speaker 2: with some really sweet stops along the way. So pay
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  Speaker 2: attention to the food plot guys and the saddle folks
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  Speaker 2: and whoever you need to use their help however you
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  Speaker 2: can while forging your own individual path to get a
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  Speaker 2: little better at this stuff. It's not a choice between
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  Speaker 2: dumb deer and smarter hunters. You can do all of it.
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  Speaker 2: So do it and come back next week because I'm
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