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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 9-9-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy Hope Day, everybody.
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Speaker 2: It's a Wednesday here on the Sean O'Connell Show. We're
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Speaker 2: glad to have you with us as we push towards
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Speaker 2: a weekend where SEC football comes to Rice-Eccles Stadium.
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Speaker 1: Only the second time. Is that right?
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Speaker 2: Only the second time an SEC opponent has come to
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. It'll be Arkansas-Rice-Eccles. who won handily over
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Speaker 2: North Alabama. Obscure mascot challenge. What's the mascot? James Peterson,
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Speaker 2: behind the glass today. My producer right now. It's not infinite.
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Speaker 2: Nothing's infinite, right? The world could end tomorrow, right?
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Speaker 1: There you go. No, let's see.
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Speaker 3: North Alabama Terrapins.
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Speaker 1: They're lions.
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Speaker 4: Lions.
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Speaker 1: The North Alabama Lions. It's like not Terrapins turtles. They're
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Speaker 1: not turtles.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Arkansas coming to rice Eccles stadium, the NFL returns tonight.
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Speaker 2: You've got NFL football tomorrow night. You've got college football
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night. You've got college football Friday night. You've got
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Speaker 2: college football all Saturday. You've got a full slate of
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Speaker 2: NFL games Sunday and Monday. So really last night was
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Speaker 2: the only night you didn't have football for The foreseeable future.
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Speaker 2: Sammy Mora is going to join us on the show
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Speaker 2: today on a youth zone. Wednesday, Ari Temkin is going
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Speaker 2: to drop by at one o'clock. We've got some great
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Speaker 2: stuff in the daily dump for you. And we'll take
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Speaker 2: a look at NFL football, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three,
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Speaker 2: zero 700. I always like to hear from all of
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Speaker 2: you out there. I put a simple poll question up today.
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Speaker 2: I did this last year around this time as well.
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Speaker 2: I like to get a finger on the pulse. And
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Speaker 2: I think that here in salt Lake city, here in
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Speaker 2: the state of Utah. I think it goes up and
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Speaker 2: down if I'm being honest, based on how good our
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Speaker 2: local college.
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Speaker 1: Teams are, but.
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Speaker 2: Which of these do you prioritize as a football fan,
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Speaker 2: college football, the NFL, or you must watch both, which
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Speaker 2: means they're on truly equal footing for you.
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Speaker 1: I've been pretty clear.
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Speaker 2: I I'm fully aware that NFL football is king of
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Speaker 2: the castle for pretty much everybody.
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Speaker 1: For me, college football is the first love.
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Speaker 2: If you had to get rid of one of them,
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Speaker 2: I will blaspheme by saying I would get rid of
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Speaker 2: the NFL and keep college football. College football is doing
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Speaker 2: a bunch of things that is eroding that love for
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Speaker 2: me a little bit that is making me not want
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Speaker 2: to be so loyal to college football because the game
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Speaker 2: is becoming closer and closer to the NFL, except the
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Speaker 2: NFL has collective bargaining issues. which allows for continuity, which
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Speaker 2: allows for me to know what a team is supposed
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Speaker 2: to look like from year to year to year. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, the NFL, I think, is strengthening its position while,
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Speaker 2: at least for me, while college football is sort of
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Speaker 2: undermining itself. But for you as a football fan, for
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Speaker 2: you as a sports fan, 877-353-0700. Loved it when you
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Speaker 2: called us the other day. Call today if you'd like.
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Speaker 2: Text or just respond to the Twitter poll college football, NFL,
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Speaker 2: or you've got to watch both. And if you're going
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Speaker 2: to say both, don't just be like, well, I do
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Speaker 2: watch both. I mean, like, do you schedule your week.
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Speaker 1: Around NFL games?
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Speaker 2: The way that you do around college football games, you
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Speaker 2: can't do it from an attendance standpoint in the market.
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Speaker 2: Now you can drive down to Vegas and you can
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Speaker 2: go to Raider games. If that's your team, it's a
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Speaker 2: pretty easy and mostly cheap flight to get to Denver
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Speaker 2: and or to get to San Francisco or to get
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Speaker 2: to LA or anything like that. Seattle is a little
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Speaker 2: bit more of a jaunt, but we've got one of
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Speaker 2: the best airports in the world. We've got one of
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Speaker 2: the best, I think the best airport in the United States.
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Speaker 2: And if you can afford it, you can drop a
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Speaker 2: couple grand every weekend and head to an NFL game
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Speaker 2: if you want.
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Speaker 1: But Do you actually do that?
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Speaker 2: Do you schedule your life around NFL football the way
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Speaker 2: you do around college football? Because I think most of you,
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Speaker 2: if you're listening in the midday on a Wednesday on
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Speaker 2: the home of the Utes, you probably are at this
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Speaker 2: time of year. You're probably scheduling a lot of your
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Speaker 2: life around Utah football games. And I applaud you for
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Speaker 2: that because I do it as part of my job.
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Speaker 2: I also do it because I'm very excited about doing it.
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Speaker 2: Oftentimes the better half. is not as excited about scheduling
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Speaker 2: things around Utah football.
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Speaker 1: But I digress. You don't want to expound on that.
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Speaker 1: James college football, NFL, or both are must watch for you.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know that I schedule my life around
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Speaker 3: either as a fan. I obviously, because this is my job,
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Speaker 3: I schedule my life around Utah football. But if it
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Speaker 3: weren't my job, I don't know that I would be
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Speaker 3: scheduling my life around Ohio State, who I root for, right?
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Speaker 3: Or any of the local teams here, who I root
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Speaker 3: for as well, because I'm a proud Utahan, right? But
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Speaker 3: I don't know that I do that so much for
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Speaker 3: Colts or my NFL team or NFL in general. So
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Speaker 3: maybe I'm not as diehard as some football fans are.
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Speaker 1: But I will say if.
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Speaker 3: I had to choose, okay, I only watch NFL or
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Speaker 3: I only watch college football. I would only watch NFL.
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Speaker 4: Interesting.
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Speaker 1: I like the higher level. I like the adults in
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Speaker 1: the room.
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Speaker 3: Feel, especially with the way, as you alluded to, the
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Speaker 3: way things have just eroded. The structure around college football
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Speaker 3: is completely eroded. I like that with the CBA, there's
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Speaker 3: a hard structure structure. that cannot be easily broken with
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Speaker 3: pro sports and NFL included. So I, I would say
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Speaker 3: that I would pick NFL over college football if I
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Speaker 3: had to, but I'm like the casual guy who you said,
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Speaker 3: you can't answer this way.
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Speaker 1: Of course I watch both.
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Speaker 2: We all watch both, but it's kind of like, like
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Speaker 2: we all watch NHL hockey and the NBA, especially now
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Speaker 2: in the Utah market. We are, you have to prioritize
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Speaker 2: one or another. If you, A recent publication is to
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Speaker 2: be believed. We are going to also have to factor
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Speaker 2: in major league baseball to this sooner than later, which
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Speaker 2: is something we did not get to on the show yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled.
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Speaker 2: We can spend some time on today because you saw it.
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Speaker 1: I saw it. We all saw it.
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Speaker 2: The major league baseball race for a new team appears.
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake city is a, a decently firm leader right now.
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Speaker 2: We thought this was the case. Big League Utah has
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Speaker 2: done a lot of really good work. I drive to
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Speaker 2: the airport on North Temple all the time. There is
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Speaker 2: sincere development happening around the future ballpark site. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot of development that still needs to happen around that
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Speaker 2: site in order to make it what they want to
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Speaker 2: make it. I'm really curious as to what's going to
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Speaker 2: happen to the sort of existing businesses around there because
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Speaker 2: the infrastructure is that you expect around a professional baseball
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Speaker 2: stadium around a professional baseball team is in, in modern
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Speaker 2: times is, you know, like, modern chains and recently built
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Speaker 2: shops and restaurants and bars and walkability and all these things.
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Speaker 2: And right now you don't have that at that, in
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Speaker 2: that portion of the Valley, that's going to take some
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Speaker 2: social engineering to go along with the business machinations in
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Speaker 2: order to make that thing happen.
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Speaker 3: But in the plans with the whole sports and entertainment district, they're,
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Speaker 3: they're going to build, hotels and, and restaurants and all that.
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Speaker 1: But it's not there yet. It's going to be a
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Speaker 1: lot of building.
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Speaker 2: And what I'm really talking about is not like, can
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Speaker 2: you build stuff out there?
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Speaker 1: What I'm talking about is there's a human element to.
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Speaker 2: That part of salt Lake city that right now is,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's, it's, I want to be sensitive about this.
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Speaker 1: It's not that the people themselves are undesirable.
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Speaker 2: It's that there's an undesirable element of drug use and
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Speaker 2: things like that. and homelessness that's going on out there.
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Speaker 2: And you're going to have to, like you did with
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Speaker 2: the Olympics. Remember this, when we socially engineered homelessness out
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Speaker 2: of salt Lake city for the 2002 Olympics, they're going
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Speaker 2: to have to try to do that for major league baseball.
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Speaker 1: And that's easier said than done.
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Speaker 2: If you've been to any other like downtown area, major
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Speaker 2: league baseball parks, but there's a lot going on when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the sporting landscape of salt Lake city,
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Speaker 2: jazz basketball is back in a month.
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Speaker 1: Mammoth hockey is back in a month and less than
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Speaker 1: a month.
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Speaker 2: And hopefully sooner than later, Salt Lake city is, you know,
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Speaker 2: we've heard by 2030 going to be granted a team
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Speaker 2: when they would actually start playing.
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Speaker 1: Who knows? We're all going to try and jump on
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Speaker 1: that bandwagon.
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Speaker 2: And when you have options, we make fun of Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles for this. We make fun of Miami for this.
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Speaker 2: I will continue to do so because I don't understand that.
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Speaker 2: When people are just like, I got better things to do.
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Speaker 2: They go to a USC football game. You don't have
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Speaker 2: my same list of priorities.
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Speaker 1: If you're a.
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Speaker 2: College football fan, who's like a USC alum or someone
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Speaker 2: who's USC adjacent. And if I lived in Pasadena, California,
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Speaker 2: I can't stand the Trojans. I grew up on Notre
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Speaker 2: Dame football, obviously became married to Utah football, and they
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Speaker 2: developed a nice rivalry with, with the Trojans over the
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Speaker 2: course of their time in the pack 12. And for
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Speaker 2: my money got the better hand of that. Uh, if
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Speaker 2: I lived there, I would be going to USC games
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Speaker 2: because you have an opportunity to be there for big
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Speaker 2: time college football. And that's my list of priorities as
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Speaker 2: a sports fan, college football. It goes for me, it
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Speaker 2: goes college football. One, everybody else filters in behind. What
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Speaker 2: do I want the most? What do I like the most?
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Speaker 2: What do I watch the most of? What do I
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Speaker 2: talk about with my friends? The most college football is
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Speaker 2: at the top. And I, I think that would be
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Speaker 2: the case. I'm quite sure that would be the case,
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Speaker 2: even if it wasn't my job to be sitting here
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Speaker 2: and talking college football.
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Speaker 1: So eight, seven, seven, three, five, three, zero 700.
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Speaker 2: NFL college football, or do they really take equal priority?
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Speaker 3: Interesting text from Tom on the text line. OC says
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Speaker 3: college football is so unpredictable and a must watch. He,
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Speaker 3: apparently Oregon ducks fan. He says he's got a ducks
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Speaker 3: calendar on his phone, but then he says NFL is
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Speaker 3: something I can watch any game, any all caps, even
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Speaker 3: Titans and Cardinals. So I'm, I'm a little, that sounds
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Speaker 3: to me and maybe Tom, you can clarify here. It
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Speaker 3: sounds to me like NFL, because you can watch any
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Speaker 3: game and enjoy it maybe higher on the spectrum or
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Speaker 3: is it, or maybe not because you don't have a diehard,
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Speaker 3: team as, as diehard as a ducks fan, as you are.
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Speaker 1: That's an interesting text from Tom. So, okay. This is
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Speaker 1: really interesting.
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Speaker 2: I guess this would be a better way to structure
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Speaker 2: the conversation around college football. Like I would have been
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Speaker 2: watching college football Friday and Saturday, even if I didn't
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Speaker 2: tune into the BYU.
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Speaker 1: Game, which I watched for obvious reasons, right?
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Speaker 2: I was watching Houston this weekend for again, obvious reasons.
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Speaker 2: if I didn't have a big 12 lens to look through,
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Speaker 2: I would be watching LSU instead. and I was flipping
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Speaker 2: back and forth all these games, right? If Kyle Winningham
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Speaker 2: wasn't the head coach at Michigan now, and there weren't
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Speaker 2: former coaches and players all up and down that Michigan
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Speaker 2: roster and staff, I still would have been tuning in
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Speaker 2: to watch as, and I wouldn't have tuned in at
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Speaker 2: the start.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have tuned in a kickoff, right?
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Speaker 2: But at halftime when it's Western Michigan and Michigan that
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Speaker 2: are close, I absolutely would have been watching that hoping.
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Speaker 1: That we could see like a crazy upset. You know
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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like in the NFL, The Titans-Cardinals game,
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Speaker 1: I don't watch. I'm the opposite.
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Speaker 3: Give me any game in college football and I'll watch
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Speaker 3: the Niners-NFL.
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Speaker 1: That's what Maction is, dude.
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Speaker 2: People are just like, give me, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: them are junkie gamblers.
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Speaker 1: But people are like, give me Maction. Give me Wednesday night.
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Speaker 2: Give me Tuesday night college football in, you know, late October,
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Speaker 2: early November. So I can watch football every week. We
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Speaker 2: don't care if Toledo wins. We will never care if
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Speaker 2: Toledo wins. We just want to watch college football. That's
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Speaker 2: what Maction is. And look, I fully respect. There are
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Speaker 2: people who can watch regular season NL East football.
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Speaker 1: Baseball games.
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Speaker 2: Everyone.
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Speaker 1: That ain't me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Shadow.
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Speaker 3: I believe our guy, Jordan Bianucci might be one of
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Speaker 3: those baseball fans. He's very into baseball giants fan, but
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Speaker 3: I think he would watch any game, no matter how
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Speaker 3: low the stakes, which again, not that baseball fan either.
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Speaker 1: I applaud you. I, because we have talked about this
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Speaker 1: so much. And because of the story is not yet dead.
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Speaker 2: The NCAA yesterday, and maybe this is one of the
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Speaker 2: things that makes people prioritize the NFL over college football
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Speaker 2: in these last five or six years, where the insanity
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Speaker 2: of college football has gotten to be too much for
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Speaker 2: the casual fan. It's starting to be too much for even,
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Speaker 2: I consider myself as diehard, as hardcore of a college
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Speaker 2: football fan as there is. Some of these things are
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Speaker 2: becoming corrosive to my loyalty. So I don't judge anybody
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Speaker 2: for jumping off a bandwagon or wanting to climb on
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Speaker 2: somewhere else. This might be one of those things that
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Speaker 2: makes you feel like, all right, I'm done here. Because
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Speaker 2: I think that the professional leagues, for the most part,
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Speaker 2: with the exception maybe of Major League Baseball, and obviously
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Speaker 2: European soccer has its own problems and things like that,
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Speaker 2: but collective bargaining salary cap structures in the NFL mean
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Speaker 2: that parity in the NFL... is supposed to be the
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Speaker 2: way of things. There's always going to be big market
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Speaker 2: teams that have certain advantages where guys want to go
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Speaker 2: play and live in a certain city and have access
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Speaker 2: to certain lifestyle points and things like that. But the
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Speaker 2: way the NFL is set up, they've got a hard
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Speaker 2: salary cap structure. They've got a draft that is supposed
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Speaker 2: to help the bad teams catch up to the good
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Speaker 2: teams on kind of a five or 10 year cycle.
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Speaker 2: You have all of these things that are put in
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Speaker 2: place for the sake of parody college football has never
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Speaker 2: really had true parody, but we've gotten better at it.
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Speaker 2: And certain eras, certain times we're now getting away from it.
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Speaker 2: And that's what the protect college sports act is about
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Speaker 2: because it's becoming more like European soccer, where if you
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Speaker 2: have the most money, you end up with the most players.
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Speaker 2: If you have the most money, you end up with
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Speaker 2: the best coaches. That has kind of always been the
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Speaker 2: case on the coaching front. It always been that case
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Speaker 2: on the player front to a certain extent too, but
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Speaker 2: it's getting worse and worse, right?
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Speaker 1: Because of the NIL stuff.
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Speaker 2: And part of that I think is, is why people
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Speaker 2: can look at college football and they can look at
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Speaker 2: the NFL and they can say, well, one of these
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Speaker 2: things is designed to give me competitive integrity.
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Speaker 1: And the other one pretends to be that way, but
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Speaker 1: doesn't really.
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Speaker 2: Have anything firm in place to that makes sure that
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Speaker 2: we get it year over year over year. And this
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Speaker 2: might be one of the better examples from the Michigan
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Speaker 2: Western Michigan game. This past weekend, the NCAA is now
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Speaker 2: doing this issuing new guidance to quote, establish a standard
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Speaker 2: timing protocol that ensures consistency in the administration of all
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Speaker 2: college football games. And I'll give you a dollar. If
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Speaker 2: you can guess which clock you're supposed to follow. when
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Speaker 2: it comes to time being there or not being there
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Speaker 2: at the end of a game or the end of
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Speaker 2: a half or the end of a quarter and getting
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Speaker 2: an extra play or not getting an extra play or
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Speaker 2: not putting a second back on the clock. So you
17:14
Speaker 2: can take a Mulligan on that hail Mary pass. You're
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Speaker 2: absolutely right. If you're driving around or you're sitting at
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Speaker 2: work and you're thinking to yourself, well, I bet what
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Speaker 2: he's describing is a correction by the NCAA that says
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Speaker 2: what happened in the Michigan Western Michigan game is not
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Speaker 2: supposed to happen. So now we're going to take a
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Speaker 2: firm stance and make sure it doesn't happen. That's exactly
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Speaker 2: what they're doing. The damage is done for Western Michigan.
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Speaker 2: To some extent it's done for Michigan also, but as
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Speaker 2: far as we sit here today on a Wednesday, September 9th,
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Speaker 2: They do not lose that game. A disastrous, a catastrophic,
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Speaker 2: a cataclysmic event for Michigan football if they lose that
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Speaker 2: game on the relatively close heels of being a national
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Speaker 2: championship program scandal that then is corrected by hiring the
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Speaker 2: most scandal-proof coach in the business. Of course, they created
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Speaker 2: a minor amount of scandal here in Salt Lake City,
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Speaker 2: but Michigan doesn't care about that. And now they find
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Speaker 2: themselves at, the center of a conversation about whether or
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Speaker 2: not the big boys, the haves in football are truly
18:29
Speaker 2: in a kind of like abusive relationship with the have
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Speaker 2: nots to where they get away with murder. They get
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Speaker 2: away with losing and someone is going to try to
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Speaker 2: protect them from losing by, I don't know, throwing a
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Speaker 2: second back on.
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Speaker 1: The game clock.
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Speaker 2: Well, the NCAA has come down and said, no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: We don't, we don't ever want to see that happen again.
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Speaker 2: No word as of whether or not there's going to
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Speaker 2: be a correction on the fact that it did happen.
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Speaker 1: But the official memo has come down from the NCAA.
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Speaker 2: Official time for all college football games is the time
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Speaker 2: displayed on the in-stadium game clock. When a replay review
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Speaker 2: requires time to be restored or otherwise adjusted, the replay
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Speaker 2: official's decision will be based on the embedded game clock
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Speaker 2: contained within the program feed. If the broadcaster is unable
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Speaker 2: to provide an embedded game clock, the replay official will
19:17
Speaker 2: use the game clock graphic displayed as part of the
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Speaker 2: broadcast feed. In short, the 0-0-0 that you saw at
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Speaker 2: the end of that Michigan game, in this language, is
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Speaker 2: the end of the football game. This is not breaking news, okay?
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Speaker 2: This is something that we kind of knew was the
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Speaker 2: norm in college football. Now, I do believe that this
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Speaker 2: clock that they're referring to here, the broadcast clock, will have,
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Speaker 2: sooner than later, potentially even this season, will have.
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Speaker 1: Tenths of seconds put on it. You will go to
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Speaker 1: the decimals.
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Speaker 2: You will go to the college basketball.
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Speaker 1: You will go to the NBA clock.
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Speaker 2: With less than a minute remaining in a quarter or
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Speaker 2: a half or a game, you can have 5.4 seconds left, 9.1
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Speaker 2: seconds left. You just put the decimal point in there.
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Speaker 2: Scoreboards have that. You can make it happen, right? But
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Speaker 2: the language in this adjustment, in this clarification, is, hey,
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Speaker 2: that was not supposed to happen. The official time is
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Speaker 2: the one that we all saw and the super secret
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Speaker 2: replay clock that was actually used to put a second
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Speaker 2: back on the clock for Michigan is That's not the
20:37
Speaker 2: correct protocol, and that's not what the NCAA wants to
20:39
Speaker 2: happen moving forward. If you are Western Michigan, you're like, great, wonderful.
20:44
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we clarified that. It doesn't give us
20:47
Speaker 2: the biggest win in program history that we were looking for, though.
20:51
Speaker 1: At least not today.
20:53
Speaker 3: And possibly a jumpstart towards an improbable entry into the
20:58
Speaker 3: college football playoff because you beat a ranked team, a
21:02
Speaker 3: power four ranked team, First game of the season as
21:05
Speaker 3: a group of six team. That's what you're thinking, regardless
21:07
Speaker 3: of your realistic expectations for the rest of the schedule.
21:10
Speaker 2: More importantly for them, they have realistic expectations to be
21:14
Speaker 2: a Mac champion.
21:16
Speaker 1: Win the, win your conference.
21:17
Speaker 5: Yeah.
21:18
Speaker 2: And if they win their conference, if they, I mean,
21:20
Speaker 2: Western Michigan thinks that they are the 2005 Boise state
21:25
Speaker 2: Broncos or the 2004 Utah Utes, right? They think they
21:29
Speaker 2: have that kind of a team right now. You look
21:31
Speaker 2: at them on paper, they returned a bunch of production.
21:34
Speaker 2: They did not lose a bunch of guys to the
21:36
Speaker 2: transfer portal that maybe they quote unquote would have or
21:39
Speaker 2: should have in normal circumstances.
21:42
Speaker 1: And this was good. This was potentially, I mean, they
21:45
Speaker 1: kind of earned it.
21:46
Speaker 2: And the, the wild thing is every fan who watched
21:50
Speaker 2: the sport and it goes back to what we're talking
21:53
Speaker 2: about prioritizing college football or the NFL, every fan of
21:58
Speaker 2: the sport in general feels like they've got an emotional
22:02
Speaker 2: sense of the fact that Western Michigan came out of
22:04
Speaker 2: that one as the actual winners. Whose stock are you buying?
22:09
Speaker 2: After that game, you're buying Western Michigan stock. Whose are
22:12
Speaker 2: you selling? You're selling Michigan's right. The official record book
22:15
Speaker 2: as of today is going to show that Michigan won
22:17
Speaker 2: that game.
22:18
Speaker 1: And I think that is not going to be changed.
22:22
Speaker 2: If you are the, this is kind of like all
22:25
Speaker 2: of these players that fought for years and years and
22:28
Speaker 2: years and years for the right to capitalize on name, image,
22:32
Speaker 2: and likeness, the Ed O'Bannon's of the world and the,
22:36
Speaker 2: the Jeremy blooms of the world. These guys fought this
22:41
Speaker 2: battle in the dark for decades. And now today's players
22:45
Speaker 2: are the ones that get to benefit from it. So
22:49
Speaker 2: there's a sense of justice like, oh yeah, okay, what
22:53
Speaker 2: is correct is finally being done. But there's also a
22:55
Speaker 2: sense of injustice because they're like, wait, this rule change
22:59
Speaker 2: doesn't help me.
23:02
Speaker 1: This fix does not help me.
23:05
Speaker 2: That's what Western Michigan is looking at right now with
23:09
Speaker 2: this NCAA course correction. I want to clarify for everyone
23:13
Speaker 2: that That the thing that totally screwed over this particular school,
23:17
Speaker 2: this particular athletic program, this particular football team, and all
23:21
Speaker 2: the individuals on it and involved with it, they got jobbed.
23:26
Speaker 2: We acknowledge that. So make sure you don't ever job
23:30
Speaker 2: anybody again.
23:31
Speaker 4: All right?
23:32
Speaker 2: Western Michigan, thank you for being the example. That doesn't
23:36
Speaker 2: help Western Michigan. And the only reason I even care
23:40
Speaker 2: is because you can't forget where you came from. Western
23:46
Speaker 2: Michigan is a mid-major conference contender, potential champion, premier program.
23:55
Speaker 2: The same way that Utah was in the Mountain West
23:58
Speaker 2: for a long time, the same way that BYU was
24:02
Speaker 2: in the Mountain West for a long time, the same
24:04
Speaker 2: way that TCU was, the same way that Boise State
24:07
Speaker 2: had to kind of like climb the ladder to finally
24:11
Speaker 2: got the respect they deserve. And by the way, for Boise,
24:14
Speaker 2: because of their small population, they are never going to
24:17
Speaker 2: get the same respect that TCU, Utah, and BYU have
24:21
Speaker 2: been able to climb into the picture and get themselves.
24:25
Speaker 2: Western Michigan is like, Hey, that remember when we were
24:29
Speaker 2: there 25 years ago, can you imagine If in 2004,
24:33
Speaker 2: starting the season against Texas, a and M the university
24:37
Speaker 2: of Utah was in a situation where their magical season,
24:40
Speaker 2: a and M got an extra second back and was
24:44
Speaker 2: able to kick a field goal that they had previously
24:46
Speaker 2: missed or something.
24:47
Speaker 1: And that wins them the game.
24:48
Speaker 2: Can you imagine the sense of injustice you would feel?
24:52
Speaker 2: None of us would be over it this many years later,
24:56
Speaker 2: Western Michigan. There are people at Western Michigan who are
25:00
Speaker 2: going to be like, Lying in bed, surrounded by their families.
25:09
Speaker 2: Grandson is there holding the hand. Grandpa, what are your
25:14
Speaker 2: last words.
25:14
Speaker 1: Before you.
25:18
Speaker 2: Exit this place, this cruel, cruel world? And grandpa's going
25:23
Speaker 2: to pull the oxygen down off of his mouth, that
25:25
Speaker 2: little mask. And everyone's going to lean in real close
25:28
Speaker 2: to hear the words. And grandpa's going to be like.
25:32
Speaker 1: We deserve that win against Michigan. I hate the Wolverines.
25:39
Speaker 2: There's going to be people who never get over this, right?
25:42
Speaker 2: The NCAA world is just like, ah, yeah, we got
25:45
Speaker 2: it wrong. Whoopsie daisy. This is all of those NBA basketball. Oh,
25:51
Speaker 2: a foul should have been called here. When major league
25:54
Speaker 2: baseball comes back and they're just like, actually, that was
25:57
Speaker 2: a fair ball instead of a foul ball. When they
25:59
Speaker 2: come back with the referee corrections and, professional sports. This
26:04
Speaker 2: is that on steroids. So this could be one of
26:07
Speaker 2: those things that could be the straw that breaks the
26:11
Speaker 2: camel's back for some folks who have been clinging on
26:14
Speaker 2: by their fingernails to their love of college sports, the
26:17
Speaker 2: love of college football. I could fully understand. Some people
26:20
Speaker 2: be like, ah, it's too much. I can't it's over.
26:25
Speaker 2: If we're just going to protect the blue bloods from
26:28
Speaker 2: being upset, which is one of the great things in
26:30
Speaker 2: college sports is I'm going to go be a fan
26:34
Speaker 2: of professional sports because at least in that case, when
26:37
Speaker 2: a grave injustice is done like this, the players union
26:41
Speaker 2: can file some sort of a grievance or an owner
26:45
Speaker 2: can come out with some sort of like motion for
26:49
Speaker 2: his peers.
26:50
Speaker 1: And maybe we'll see something fixed.
26:53
Speaker 2: I could see this being one of those issues where
26:55
Speaker 2: people like, I don't want, I'm not doing it anymore.
26:59
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet.
27:01
Speaker 2: Because, honestly, this Michigan thing just gave me a lot
27:04
Speaker 2: to talk about on the show. But I could see
27:07
Speaker 2: why it would be corrosive to folks.
27:10
Speaker 3: So what you brought up about how much that game
27:16
Speaker 3: and the outcome of that game means to Western Michigan
27:18
Speaker 3: and its fan base. Because they're the group of six team,
27:22
Speaker 3: not the college football blue blood power four team. And
27:27
Speaker 3: our roots here. Whether you're a BYU fan or a
27:30
Speaker 3: Utah fan, you were that for a very long time.
27:34
Speaker 3: You were a really good team who was trying to
27:38
Speaker 3: punch higher at these BCS back in the day, power
27:43
Speaker 3: level teams now. So you remember where your roots are, right?
27:49
Speaker 3: Isn't it ironic that Kyle Whittingham....
27:52
Speaker 1: Was the head coach of the blue blood team in that,
27:56
Speaker 1: in that context, I actually.
27:57
Speaker 2: So I, again, people don't like hearing me say positive
28:00
Speaker 2: things about Kyle Whittingham.
28:01
Speaker 1: So there's a certain contingent of people who don't like.
28:04
Speaker 2: That, but Kyle Whittingham on Saturday night, what we watched
28:08
Speaker 2: was a person put in an absolutely impossible situation. Now
28:13
Speaker 2: maybe by his own decisions and maybe by his own
28:15
Speaker 2: failures with coaching this Michigan team and getting them prepared, whatever,
28:20
Speaker 2: I'm not here for that. We're not Michigan radio, but
28:24
Speaker 2: we watched that man.
28:27
Speaker 1: Lamenting a loss. We watched it.
28:31
Speaker 2: He was doing his thing where he pinches the bridge
28:33
Speaker 2: of the nose where he's just, I can't believe this
28:36
Speaker 2: is happening.
28:37
Speaker 3: Yelling things at his sideline. Like what is going on?
28:41
Speaker 2: Then we watched that same man be given something that
28:45
Speaker 2: never in his career has anyone ever given him or
28:48
Speaker 2: any other coach. Like he's supposed to be the scrappy
28:53
Speaker 2: underdog type that just pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
28:57
Speaker 2: You get what you have because you work for it
28:58
Speaker 2: kind of guy. And then somebody came to him and said, actually,
29:02
Speaker 2: that's not how it works here at Michigan. I know
29:06
Speaker 2: that's how you got here, but here's what we're going
29:08
Speaker 2: to do.
29:08
Speaker 1: All right. Congratulations, coach. You don't have to do that anymore.
29:11
Speaker 2: You know, those hundred dollar handshakes that people have been
29:14
Speaker 2: doing in the sec since time immemorial. And when you
29:18
Speaker 2: were a player at BYU, you were like, wouldn't it
29:19
Speaker 2: be nice to get those hundred dollar handshakes that the
29:22
Speaker 2: guys at Alabama get? Well, I'm going to give you one.
29:25
Speaker 2: It's happening right here. And you're in your sixties now,
29:28
Speaker 2: and you have a fully fleshed out sense of what
29:31
Speaker 2: is right and what is wrong.
29:32
Speaker 1: And guess what? You're going to be on the wrong
29:34
Speaker 1: side of this one. There you go, coach. Isn't that great?
29:38
Speaker 1: Congratulations on the win.
29:40
Speaker 4: Win.
29:40
Speaker 1: And he's got, he's got to be like, Oh sweet. Oh,
29:43
Speaker 1: I get a win. Now the pollsters didn't treat it
29:46
Speaker 1: that way.
29:47
Speaker 2: Michigan with the most precipitous drop after a win tied
29:50
Speaker 2: for the most precipitous drop after a win in the
29:52
Speaker 2: history of the AP poll. They're treating it like a loss.
29:56
Speaker 2: I think the college football playoff committee should treat it
29:58
Speaker 2: like a loss. Now the NCAA without actually overturning it
30:01
Speaker 2: to a loss is saying, guys, guess what? The rules
30:04
Speaker 2: that we're going to adopt. I want to make sure
30:06
Speaker 2: all of you know is our official stance. should have
30:09
Speaker 2: given that as a loss to Michigan and Kyle Whittingham,
30:13
Speaker 2: the guy whose entire message is antithetical to all of
30:19
Speaker 2: this is sitting there as the beneficiary of it.
30:22
Speaker 1: It is the most tragically.
30:24
Speaker 2: Ironic and terrible thing that we have seen in college football.
30:29
Speaker 1: And that is why the soap opera is undefeated.
30:31
Speaker 2: And that is why on my own Twitter poll, when
30:34
Speaker 2: I say, what do I prioritize watching NFL football? college
30:38
Speaker 2: football or truly, truly, truly. Do you, do you prioritize
30:41
Speaker 2: both equally for me? It's college football because this doesn't
30:44
Speaker 2: happen in the NFL. And if it did right, if
30:47
Speaker 2: the Cowboys were given an extra second back on the clock, they'd.
30:51
Speaker 1: Be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
30:53
Speaker 1: This is, we have this.
30:55
Speaker 2: Written in the rule book, the NFL rule book section
30:59
Speaker 2: 74 subheading five.
31:02
Speaker 1: Clause H this is what happens here.
31:05
Speaker 2: It's too controlled for something like this to happen at
31:09
Speaker 2: the professional level, the chaos at the college football level,
31:12
Speaker 2: which is most of the time, glorious and wonderful sometimes
31:15
Speaker 2: gets a little bit ugly. And the fact there's just
31:18
Speaker 2: such poetic justice or injustice that it happened in the
31:23
Speaker 2: first game that our guy was at the university of Michigan, where.
31:28
Speaker 1: He is a foreigner. He is like, they turned on
31:31
Speaker 1: him instantly.
31:34
Speaker 2: All of those Michigan fans that at first were like,
31:36
Speaker 2: why are we hiring this old coach? Then they fell
31:39
Speaker 2: in love with him because he says all the right things.
31:41
Speaker 2: He does all the right things. They're like, Oh, wait
31:42
Speaker 2: a second.
31:43
Speaker 1: I went back. I watched Utah football.
31:45
Speaker 2: This is a hard nose, scrappy type of team punch
31:47
Speaker 2: you in the mouth, dominated in the trenches type of team.
31:50
Speaker 1: All right, cool. Everybody jumps on. They climb onto the
31:53
Speaker 1: bandwagon like rats. avoiding drowning. They all climbed on.
31:57
Speaker 2: And then as soon as things got bad and before
32:00
Speaker 2: this even happened, as soon as like halfway through the
32:02
Speaker 2: Western Michigan game, they're already jumping off. And now he
32:06
Speaker 2: is a stranger in a foreign land. And they're like,
32:08
Speaker 2: you are not one of us clearly. And we hate you.
32:13
Speaker 1: What a wild time undefeated college football and its drama.
32:19
Speaker 1: Thank you. NCAA for the clarification.
32:22
Speaker 2: That doesn't help Western Michigan or the actual integrity of
32:25
Speaker 2: the game really at all. Sammy Moore is going to
32:29
Speaker 2: join us next for a Ute Zone Wednesday. It's the
32:32
Speaker 2: Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM. You're
32:40
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32:43
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32:50
Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
33:03
Speaker 2: It is a Ute Zone Wednesday, which means we talk
33:05
Speaker 2: football with the folks from Ute Zone. Today, we are
33:08
Speaker 2: lucky enough to welcome Sammy Mora, who gets an extra
33:11
Speaker 2: second whenever she asks.
33:12
Speaker 1: For one, all right? Wants a mulligan on a final play,
33:15
Speaker 1: you give it to Sammy Mora. Sammy, welcome to the show.
33:17
Speaker 1: How are you?
33:19
Speaker 7: I'm doing good. I was seeing things are having me.
33:22
Speaker 2: I'm going to, I'm going to bring back and regurgitate
33:24
Speaker 2: a question from yesterday for you. Cause I feel like
33:26
Speaker 2: you're the type of person will come up with a
33:28
Speaker 2: really good answer for us. If you could take one
33:31
Speaker 2: game deciding play or potentially game deciding play in Utah
33:34
Speaker 2: football history, and you could go back and replay it
33:37
Speaker 2: like Michigan got a chance to do on a fail
33:40
Speaker 2: Mary that turned into a bail Mary.
33:43
Speaker 1: What play are you replaying?
33:46
Speaker 7: Can we go back to the 2024 Utah BYU game
33:51
Speaker 7: and replay that holding call that Zamiya Vaughn got called for?
33:54
Speaker 2: If that's the one you want, then absolutely yes.
33:59
Speaker 7: Because if that holding call doesn't get called, correct me
34:03
Speaker 7: if I'm wrong, Utah wins that game then.
34:05
Speaker 4: Correct.
34:07
Speaker 7: So yeah, let's go back and do that. That's the
34:09
Speaker 7: first thing that can pop into my mind. And I
34:11
Speaker 7: can think about if you want, if you give me
34:14
Speaker 7: like two or three days to fully process it, I
34:16
Speaker 7: can probably come up with a different answer, but off
34:19
Speaker 7: the top of my brain, that's probably the one I
34:20
Speaker 7: would go with right now.
34:24
Speaker 1: All right. I think that's a really good answer.
34:25
Speaker 2: We got a couple of those similar answers yesterday when
34:29
Speaker 2: I put it out there on Twitter and on the
34:30
Speaker 2: text line, 877-353-0700. If you want to, if you want
34:32
Speaker 2: to join Sammy and you want to, to put in
34:37
Speaker 2: the day late response.
34:38
Speaker 1: That's great.
34:40
Speaker 2: We've had a chance to talk about what we expected
34:43
Speaker 2: from Utah football, what we thought the offense was going
34:46
Speaker 2: to look like, what we thought the defense was.
34:48
Speaker 1: Going to look like.
34:48
Speaker 2: Now we have at least one version, one game sample
34:51
Speaker 2: size to judge what this team actually is. What was
34:56
Speaker 2: your first blush reaction to Utah football against Idaho?
35:01
Speaker 7: I'm finally glad that, you know, we could see and
35:05
Speaker 7: talk about that package with Bird and Devin at the
35:07
Speaker 7: same time on the field. Because I know that, I
35:10
Speaker 7: don't know if you were at the spring practice, but
35:11
Speaker 7: there was a couple of spring practices where there were
35:14
Speaker 7: that package that they ran, that play that they ran,
35:16
Speaker 7: we saw during the spring. So that's been something we've
35:18
Speaker 7: been kind of sitting on. So I'm glad I can
35:21
Speaker 7: finally talk about that because that... was one of the
35:23
Speaker 7: things that I was so excited to see how it
35:26
Speaker 7: actually would turn out on the field. And yeah, it
35:28
Speaker 7: was against Idaho. I need to see how this team
35:32
Speaker 7: responds to a team that's not an FCS team. But
35:36
Speaker 7: from the first part, I think that's something that I'm
35:38
Speaker 7: excited about. Defensively, Colton Swan called a very aggressive game. Like,
35:44
Speaker 7: super aggressive like it was I thought I think a
35:46
Speaker 7: lot of us expect them to just be in base
35:48
Speaker 7: defense for most of it but like the amount of
35:50
Speaker 7: blitzes and pressures he threw last week was was a
35:54
Speaker 7: really high number and honestly was a slightly surprising to
35:57
Speaker 7: me at least so we'll see if that's how Colton
36:00
Speaker 7: continues to call games or if that was just something
36:02
Speaker 7: to put on tape so that Arkansas is slightly confused
36:05
Speaker 7: as to what is going to be happening on Saturday.
36:09
Speaker 2: Okay, so we got several different iterations of the offensive line,
36:14
Speaker 2: and we saw some really nice things. We also saw
36:18
Speaker 2: some things that maybe made Utah fans question and concern,
36:21
Speaker 2: and I'm all right with saying we still don't know.
36:25
Speaker 2: Where do you stand on the offensive line play, which
36:28
Speaker 2: was the number one question throughout the offseason?
36:32
Speaker 7: Well, I think we got to realize that Keith Olsen
36:34
Speaker 7: and Isaiah Garcia didn't play at all last Thursday. And
36:38
Speaker 7: both of them are guys that we expect to see,
36:41
Speaker 7: you know, in some sort of capacity this year. I mean,
36:44
Speaker 7: Keith is someone that we over at Youth Zone have
36:47
Speaker 7: talked a lot about as like one of those starting guards.
36:50
Speaker 7: So to not have the two of them out there was,
36:52
Speaker 7: it was kind of evident at times. And I think
36:55
Speaker 7: that especially getting Keith back, hopefully this week, like Morgan
36:58
Speaker 7: Scali said, that should sure up that offensive line. Like,
37:01
Speaker 7: I don't have any, major qualms about the offensive line
37:05
Speaker 7: like yeah there were some issues there were some plays
37:07
Speaker 7: that weren't great there were some series that were a
37:09
Speaker 7: little bit questionable but for the most part I'm not
37:12
Speaker 7: like it's not keeping me up at night because I
37:15
Speaker 7: think that they have the guys I think it was
37:17
Speaker 7: just a matter of you know two of your key
37:19
Speaker 7: pieces were out last week and you you you skated
37:22
Speaker 7: away with a win without even needing them like that's
37:26
Speaker 7: something also I think that it says about this offensive
37:28
Speaker 7: line that you were able to roll a true freshman
37:30
Speaker 7: like Kelvin Obot out there. And, you know, he played
37:32
Speaker 7: a lot of snaps and he had some good moments.
37:34
Speaker 7: He had some bad moments, but again, true freshmen, you
37:37
Speaker 7: need to get in those reps and sink them into
37:38
Speaker 7: him as early as possible. But with he's an Ike
37:42
Speaker 7: back this week, I think that should sure things up.
37:44
Speaker 7: And I, I, you know, Morgan said that he doesn't
37:46
Speaker 7: have a starting offensive line set right now. I think
37:49
Speaker 7: we both know that he probably knows who is starting
37:51
Speaker 7: five are, but he's just not going to give up
37:53
Speaker 7: that information right now.
37:55
Speaker 2: Well, I really am curious as to whether the starting
37:58
Speaker 2: five against Arkansas and even against Utah State is the
38:03
Speaker 2: same one against like Iowa State or Kansas, because I
38:08
Speaker 2: trust this coaching staff and the fact that fluidity is
38:12
Speaker 2: necessary when you have so many new pieces on an
38:15
Speaker 2: offensive line. And ultimately, you got to get the best
38:18
Speaker 2: five out there, regardless of what position they're playing. I
38:21
Speaker 2: think the only one that you really don't interchange at
38:23
Speaker 2: all His big out at center, I think he's firmly
38:26
Speaker 2: established himself, and that's probably where you're going to have
38:29
Speaker 2: to keep him. But it's a work in progress that
38:33
Speaker 2: I guess the next question is, how much progress do
38:36
Speaker 2: we need to see from that unit before Arkansas? Because
38:38
Speaker 2: it is a significant step up in the physicality, the size,
38:42
Speaker 2: the speed that they're going to see this Saturday as
38:45
Speaker 2: opposed to last Thursday.
38:47
Speaker 7: Well, I think, like I said, getting Keith back specifically,
38:51
Speaker 7: I think, is going to give this offensive line some
38:54
Speaker 7: credit and some boost. Because, like, I hear Dan Sorensen,
38:58
Speaker 7: our publisher, he talked to Toa Mowii before the season,
39:02
Speaker 7: and Toa made a good point that This starting offensive line,
39:06
Speaker 7: the one that we've all projected of Zerway, Toa, Al,
39:12
Speaker 7: and Keith, those four specifically, they have been the twos
39:16
Speaker 7: for the last two years. So the four of them
39:19
Speaker 7: specifically have played a lot of football together, and they've
39:22
Speaker 7: had a lot of experience together, especially last year when
39:25
Speaker 7: Utah was blowing out opponents in the middle of the
39:27
Speaker 7: third quarter, and so they were able to put those
39:29
Speaker 7: guys in. So the communication and the camaraderie and the
39:33
Speaker 7: chemistry is all there with those four. It's how does
39:36
Speaker 7: said Jefferson factor into that? How is his communication with
39:40
Speaker 7: the other four? Because said played the most snaps of
39:43
Speaker 7: any offensive lineman last week. And, again, had some good moments,
39:47
Speaker 7: had some not-so-great moments. But I think with those four
39:49
Speaker 7: together of Harrison, Williams, Moeai, and Olsen, that's a really
39:55
Speaker 7: good starting point for this offensive line. I don't have
39:58
Speaker 7: any qualms or concerns with those four. So I think
40:01
Speaker 7: the progress will be seen once we get Keith back
40:03
Speaker 7: out there. With Keith out there, I think this offensive
40:06
Speaker 7: line is a lot better than they were last week.
40:09
Speaker 7: Keith is one of the, we call him super Keith
40:12
Speaker 7: over on you zone, just because of how many different
40:14
Speaker 7: things he can do, how many different positions he can play.
40:17
Speaker 7: He's a very talented offensive lineman. So I think a
40:20
Speaker 7: lot of the issues, at least in my opinions, I
40:22
Speaker 7: think will be solved this week.
40:23
Speaker 4: Once you get Keith back out.
40:24
Speaker 2: There, Sammy Moore from youth zone is our guest here
40:27
Speaker 2: on the Sean O'Connell show, talking all things, Utah football.
40:32
Speaker 2: Another beautiful thing about this Idaho game is we, we
40:35
Speaker 2: got to see kind of all the offensive weapons on
40:38
Speaker 2: display and, Everyone got touches. Even Bam comes in and
40:42
Speaker 2: ends up being the leading rusher on seven carries. I mean,
40:45
Speaker 2: they went deep into the depth chart to make sure
40:49
Speaker 2: these people that may or may not factor in as
40:51
Speaker 2: the season progresses all got at least a little bit
40:54
Speaker 2: of shine.
40:55
Speaker 1: What was your favorite? Who do you think impressed the most?
41:00
Speaker 7: LaMarcus Bell, that kid is one of my... I talk
41:04
Speaker 7: to him a lot through his recruiting process and stuff,
41:06
Speaker 7: and he's just one of those kids that you want
41:09
Speaker 7: to root for and you want to see him have success.
41:12
Speaker 7: He's just such an overall great guy, great running back.
41:15
Speaker 7: He's taken it to heart, really, to improve his game,
41:18
Speaker 7: get better as a pass catcher, get better as... a
41:21
Speaker 7: blocker do all the things that he needs to do
41:24
Speaker 7: to see time in that rotation so I was very
41:26
Speaker 7: excited about seeing someone like Bam have that moment yeah
41:29
Speaker 7: it was in the fourth quarter but like he still
41:32
Speaker 7: you know like you said led the team in rushing
41:33
Speaker 7: scored his first career touchdown on one of his first
41:35
Speaker 7: few carries as a Ute like I that kid is
41:39
Speaker 7: one of those kids that I just I hope nothing
41:41
Speaker 7: but the best for him in his career I would
41:44
Speaker 7: also highlight Monica Arvalo like another one that We know
41:48
Speaker 7: what he can do on punt returns and stuff like that,
41:50
Speaker 7: but when he's actually out there as a receiver, you
41:52
Speaker 7: get to truly see how dynamic of a guy he is.
41:55
Speaker 7: He runs such crisp routes. He has great hands. And
42:00
Speaker 7: I think that that viral pass from Bird to him
42:03
Speaker 7: was just a small glimpse of what Mauna can really do.
42:06
Speaker 7: And so those are the two for me that I
42:08
Speaker 7: think I was most excited about as under-the-radar guys. Everyone
42:12
Speaker 7: else that we saw, like you saw Creed, you saw.
42:17
Speaker 7: Ricky Johnson, you saw Braden Pagan, all those guys were
42:20
Speaker 7: the characters we expected to see. But for Bam and
42:23
Speaker 7: for Mana to have the games that they had, it
42:27
Speaker 7: was really good to see.
42:28
Speaker 2: The most concerning thing that I saw in the game
42:30
Speaker 2: was Idaho putting together a real big boy drive on
42:35
Speaker 2: either a starting defense or an actual who you're going
42:41
Speaker 2: to play alongside your starters, rotational level defense for this
42:44
Speaker 2: Utah football team. And I know the game is pretty
42:47
Speaker 2: much already in hand at that point, but it's the
42:50
Speaker 2: first game of the season.
42:51
Speaker 1: There's no excuses.
42:52
Speaker 2: You're not supposed to give up that kind of production
42:55
Speaker 2: to an FCS team.
42:58
Speaker 1: Is that cause for concern or is that a blip
43:00
Speaker 1: on the radar?
43:02
Speaker 7: I honestly think it's a blip because if, if Nate
43:05
Speaker 7: Tillman makes that tackle in the end zone, they don't
43:06
Speaker 7: have that drive. Like if he can wrap up on
43:09
Speaker 7: that sack, you're in a safety and you're even more
43:13
Speaker 7: in a, like you're, you're, they're not scoring 14 points,
43:15
Speaker 7: only scoring seven. So I think right now I'm just
43:19
Speaker 7: going to, I'm going to, I'm going to put that
43:20
Speaker 7: off as a blip. If it's something that we continue
43:22
Speaker 7: to see, then yeah, it might be a point for concern,
43:25
Speaker 7: but in my perspective, yeah, Tilly just needs to wrap
43:29
Speaker 7: up on that. And then if he can, you know, that's,
43:31
Speaker 7: we're not even having this conversation right now.
43:35
Speaker 1: What scares you most about the Arkansas matchup, if anything?
43:42
Speaker 7: I honestly, if I have to guess, if I have
43:45
Speaker 7: to say one thing, it's their, I want to say
43:50
Speaker 7: like their offensive line had some moments where they looked good,
43:52
Speaker 7: but they also had some moments where they looked bad.
43:56
Speaker 7: Their running back room is really good. I just want
43:58
Speaker 7: to see what this run defense looks like. I know
44:00
Speaker 7: that Idaho, you held Idaho to like a hundred yards,
44:03
Speaker 7: give or take, but that's Idaho. Like this is an
44:06
Speaker 7: actual SEC team. This is a team with a pulse
44:09
Speaker 7: as much as, You know, their Arkansas fan base is
44:12
Speaker 7: not too bought in right now, but they're still an
44:16
Speaker 7: SEC team.
44:16
Speaker 4: They still have.
44:17
Speaker 7: High-level guys that can play at the next level. So
44:19
Speaker 7: I just want to see truly what this run defense
44:21
Speaker 7: and this defensive tackle rotation looks like because there were
44:24
Speaker 7: guys playing last week that I was kind of shocked
44:27
Speaker 7: to see. Like Mike Pacioli, like good for him for
44:29
Speaker 7: getting into the rotation. He was not someone on my
44:31
Speaker 7: radar that I thought was going to play. You had
44:33
Speaker 7: semi-tall London CNA motor blocker playing as well. Like that's again,
44:38
Speaker 7: not something I expected to see. So I want to
44:40
Speaker 7: see what the true like dry Carson defensive tackle room
44:45
Speaker 7: looks like against this running back room at Arkansas this week. That's,
44:48
Speaker 7: that's my big thing.
44:50
Speaker 1: It is Eric Weddle week.
44:52
Speaker 2: Eric Weddle is going to be inducted into the ring
44:54
Speaker 2: of honor and immortalized on the side of rice echo stadium.
44:57
Speaker 2: Obviously very deserved for a guy who's all everything. Uh,
45:01
Speaker 2: you're a lot younger than I am, right? So Eric
45:03
Speaker 2: is a peer of mine. You came in after he
45:06
Speaker 2: had already played his, uh, his ball at the university
45:09
Speaker 2: of Utah. So like your sense of what Eric Weddle is,
45:13
Speaker 2: what he means to this program, et cetera.
45:16
Speaker 7: Well, I think for me, like I knew I've known
45:19
Speaker 7: about Eric and just what his legacy was ever since
45:22
Speaker 7: I was little. Like I was around and I was
45:26
Speaker 7: watching Eric play when I was a little kid. But
45:29
Speaker 7: like I think me more so I know Eric as
45:33
Speaker 7: an NFL star and just how he was unabashedly always pro-Utah.
45:38
Speaker 7: He was always praising Utah. He was always repping the team,
45:41
Speaker 7: even if, like, during those five and seven years or
45:44
Speaker 7: during those down moments, he was always repping the U.
45:46
Speaker 7: And I think, for me, the biggest thing is just
45:49
Speaker 7: how much of an ambassador for the university he's been.
45:52
Speaker 7: I think that would be the big thing that stands
45:54
Speaker 7: out about Eric for me. Like, obviously, I've gone back
45:57
Speaker 7: and watched his highlights from when he played at Utah. Like,
45:59
Speaker 7: everyone's done that. But for someone who is not... who
46:03
Speaker 7: wasn't very... tuned in when he was playing. Like I
46:07
Speaker 7: was like, wait, that was like 2004, 2005. It was
46:09
Speaker 7: when he played. Like I was like five or six
46:13
Speaker 7: when he was playing.
46:14
Speaker 5: Yes.
46:14
Speaker 2: You could be forgiven for not having like core memories
46:17
Speaker 2: of what he.
46:18
Speaker 1: Did, you know?
46:19
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
46:20
Speaker 5: 100%.
46:20
Speaker 7: So I think that for me, like, it's more of just,
46:22
Speaker 7: I know Eric of, as the NFL star, I know
46:25
Speaker 7: him just being so pro Utah and just, just one
46:28
Speaker 7: of the biggest cheerleaders, even when he left.
46:33
Speaker 1: The players.
46:34
Speaker 2: Today's players, the guys on this team, uh, how aware
46:38
Speaker 2: do you think they are of like his actual playing prowess?
46:42
Speaker 2: I mean, he, he, he was in the NFL all
46:45
Speaker 2: through these guys, you know, youth and adolescents and things
46:48
Speaker 2: like that. So I'm sure they're pretty aware of him
46:50
Speaker 2: as an NFL player, but how many of these guys
46:52
Speaker 2: do you think are like fully aware of what he
46:54
Speaker 2: was as a youth?
46:55
Speaker 1: And how many do you think have actually seen those highlights?
46:58
Speaker 7: I think if you're one room specifically knows what Eric's about,
47:02
Speaker 7: it's probably the Utah safety room. Like I think just
47:05
Speaker 7: because Odom coached Eric, um, Morgan obviously was with Eric
47:10
Speaker 7: throughout the years when, and he was obviously over the
47:13
Speaker 7: safe majority of these safeties last year as well. So
47:16
Speaker 7: I want to say the safety room probably has the
47:18
Speaker 7: biggest grasp, but I think the defense as a whole
47:21
Speaker 7: should also know about him just because again, Morgan's connection
47:25
Speaker 7: to Eric and all those things. But I don't, again,
47:28
Speaker 7: they're there and these guys are younger than me. So
47:30
Speaker 7: I don't truly know what they know about him as well.
47:32
Speaker 7: So it's one of those things that's kind of interesting
47:34
Speaker 7: to see how, how different generations react to these legends.
47:39
Speaker 4: All right.
47:39
Speaker 1: Back to Utah versus Arkansas.
47:41
Speaker 2: Of course, the Weddell ceremony will be part of it,
47:44
Speaker 2: but the real feature is the game itself. Do you
47:47
Speaker 2: have a prediction on what this final score looks like?
47:50
Speaker 7: Let me, I think, what did I tell that? I
47:52
Speaker 7: told our Arkansas on three team, I gave them a
47:55
Speaker 7: score prediction. I think I said like 20, I think
47:59
Speaker 7: I said like 34, I want to say 34, 21, Utah.
48:03
Speaker 7: I want to say it was something like that. It
48:04
Speaker 7: was like, I think Utah's going to win it. Oh,
48:09
Speaker 7: it's 38-21. I think Utah's going to win it. I
48:12
Speaker 7: don't think this is going to be a super high
48:14
Speaker 7: scoring game. I think that both teams are going to
48:16
Speaker 7: get their shots in. They're both going to score. There's
48:18
Speaker 7: going to be some drives that are going to cause
48:20
Speaker 7: panic for the Utah fans on both sides of the ball.
48:24
Speaker 7: But I think that just... Again, game two, we still
48:28
Speaker 7: have some growing pains that we need to go through
48:29
Speaker 7: before we hit the season. It's a marathon, not a
48:32
Speaker 7: sprint of a season. So I have 38-21. I think
48:36
Speaker 7: Utah pulls it out. I just think that there's going
48:38
Speaker 7: to be like at least one or two Arkansas drives
48:40
Speaker 7: that are kind of questionable that fans kind of panic about.
48:43
Speaker 1: The NFL is back tonight. How much NFL do you watch?
48:47
Speaker 8: Um.
48:48
Speaker 7: I watch a decent amount. I'm a Buccaneers fan, so
48:51
Speaker 7: it's kind of hard for me to watch my team frequently,
48:54
Speaker 7: but I do watch it. I usually camp out on
48:58
Speaker 7: the couch on Sundays and just watch as many games
49:00
Speaker 7: as possible.
49:02
Speaker 1: Congratulations on Baker Mayfield's new contract.
49:05
Speaker 4: I guess. Thank you.
49:06
Speaker 1: I'm very happy.
49:07
Speaker 7: My two goals this off season were Baker and Vita
49:09
Speaker 7: and both of them are staying. So I am not
49:12
Speaker 7: in much pain. I do still think that Todd Bowles
49:15
Speaker 7: needs to go, but at least Baker and Vita are staying.
49:17
Speaker 7: So I will take it.
49:18
Speaker 5: All right.
49:19
Speaker 1: We'll take it for you. Sammy, you're the best. See
49:21
Speaker 1: you up there on Saturday.
49:22
Speaker 4: Okay.
49:23
Speaker 9: Thanks.
49:23
Speaker 8: Thanks.
49:23
Speaker 7: I'll see you on Saturday.
49:25
Speaker 2: Sammy Mora from Ute zone on a Ute zone Wednesday.
49:28
Speaker 2: They do great work over there with the on three
49:30
Speaker 2: crew and. This Arkansas team, just for all of you
49:36
Speaker 2: out there who are keeping score, this Arkansas team was
49:39
Speaker 2: picked to finish last in the SEC. The PR headline
49:46
Speaker 2: for Utah football is it's an SEC team. You can't
49:51
Speaker 2: even let this game be close, is what I'm saying.
49:54
Speaker 1: Because, yes, it's an SEC squad. Yes, they have some athletes.
49:57
Speaker 2: But in a lot of people's estimation, this is the
50:00
Speaker 2: worst that the SEC has to offer.
50:02
Speaker 1: And if you're one of the best at.
50:03
Speaker 10: It, You're listening to The Sean O'Connell Show from the
50:11
Speaker 10: Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
50:15
Speaker 2: Welcome back to The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN 700, 92.1 FM.
50:30
Speaker 2: We've got a very short segment here, so let me
50:32
Speaker 2: take a little bit.
50:33
Speaker 1: Of time to.
50:36
Speaker 1: Ask a question.
50:37
Speaker 2: I don't, I'm not going to pretend I'm a tennis expert.
50:40
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching tennis. I'm a fan of tennis. I'm
50:43
Speaker 2: a very casual fan of tennis. Last night, quarterfinal match
50:49
Speaker 2: between Ben Shelton and Carlos Alcaraz, who are two of, well,
50:54
Speaker 2: Alcaraz is arguably the biggest men's star in tennis right now,
50:58
Speaker 2: alongside Yannick Sinner. Shelton is a rising star, certainly. He's
51:02
Speaker 2: a high-profile American player. who's part of a sports power couple.
51:06
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reasons why the marketability of his
51:10
Speaker 2: career is something that everyone involved in tennis is at
51:15
Speaker 2: least paying some attention to. They played a marathon match
51:19
Speaker 2: last night, those two in the quarterfinal of the U.S. Open,
51:22
Speaker 2: that ended at 3.33 a.m.
51:25
Speaker 1: Local time in New York City.
51:27
Speaker 11: 3 33 AM for a four hour match.
51:34
Speaker 2: Now that I get it, you got to play these
51:37
Speaker 2: tournaments as they come.
51:39
Speaker 1: If matches go long during the day.
51:41
Speaker 2: There's only so many center court appointments that are available
51:44
Speaker 2: and things like that. But this feels like one of
51:48
Speaker 2: those situations where you are really, really pushing it in
51:53
Speaker 2: terms of the kind of, uh, loyalty. You want a
51:57
Speaker 2: fan base to show and to Shelton's credit, he immediately
52:01
Speaker 2: after winning the match and advancing, he immediately gave credit
52:05
Speaker 2: to the fans, especially the ones that had said and
52:08
Speaker 2: given him his USA chance all the way.
52:10
Speaker 1: Through into the wee wee wee hours of the morning.
52:13
Speaker 2: This guy played an Epic match against one of the
52:17
Speaker 2: world's best and sneaks out a victory on, by the way, 150,
52:20
Speaker 2: almost 150 mile an hour serve doing that. when it's
52:25
Speaker 2: three 30 in the morning, there's gotta be some kind
52:28
Speaker 2: of sports science conversation involved here because nobody is preparing
52:34
Speaker 2: their body to be at an optimal level of performance
52:38
Speaker 2: at four in the morning effectively. So what a strange
52:43
Speaker 2: and kind of obnoxious time to put two of the,
52:47
Speaker 2: you know, the big draws for this U S open
52:50
Speaker 2: so late at night. And then to have them go
52:51
Speaker 2: all the way into the wee hours of the morning
52:53
Speaker 2: and is for the U S open, I guess for now,
52:56
Speaker 2: a blessing and a curse because very few people watched
53:00
Speaker 2: it live or watch the conclusion of the match live. However,
53:05
Speaker 2: it is record setting and now probably talked about even
53:08
Speaker 2: more because of the fact that it is record setting
53:11
Speaker 2: and no such thing as bad publicity, right? So the
53:14
Speaker 2: fact that you could tune into the Dan Patrick show
53:17
Speaker 2: this morning or rich eyes in this morning, or you're
53:20
Speaker 2: listening to the Sean O'Connell show that usually doesn't give
53:22
Speaker 2: you much on the U S open is And we're
53:24
Speaker 2: talking about the fact that two of the best men
53:26
Speaker 2: in the world were playing at 3 30 AM when
53:29
Speaker 2: they should have been in bed.
53:30
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's kind of a win.
53:32
Speaker 3: Maybe Speaker 4, yeah, I, I don't really get why
53:40
Speaker 3: it's so late either OC because the first thing your
53:44
Speaker 3: mind jumps to is like, well, they don't want to
53:46
Speaker 3: conflict with football, but it was Tuesday night. So they
53:49
Speaker 3: weren't conflicting with football. There's other there's other parts of
53:53
Speaker 3: the U S open because they play every day. I
53:56
Speaker 3: think they may have one or two off days, but
53:59
Speaker 3: basically every day where, yeah, this past Saturday, you're going
54:03
Speaker 3: up against college football. You're probably adjusting your best matches
54:09
Speaker 3: according to the best games on the college football schedule
54:13
Speaker 3: on Saturday. Maybe this coming, this coming weekend you got, well,
54:18
Speaker 3: today you've got, NFL starting and tomorrow you have that too.
54:22
Speaker 3: And then this weekend you got NFL and you got
54:24
Speaker 3: college football again on Saturday, but Tuesday it's just you.
54:28
Speaker 3: So you probably could have made this a seven o'clock
54:31
Speaker 3: mountain time, nine o'clock Eastern instead of nine mountain time,
54:35
Speaker 3: 11 Eastern start, but Hey, they are getting a lot
54:41
Speaker 3: more extra publicity from it. I'm kind of sad that
54:44
Speaker 3: it wasn't earlier because it sounds like it was a
54:46
Speaker 3: heck of a match, but And I love me some
54:48
Speaker 3: Carlos Alcaraz.
54:50
Speaker 1: I would love to tune in myself, but.
54:53
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of, there's plenty of noteworthy moments.
54:56
Speaker 2: Alcaraz started by breaking serve and jumped out to a lead.
55:00
Speaker 2: And then it caused Shelton to come roaring back a
55:03
Speaker 2: little bit. At some point, if the highlights are to
55:06
Speaker 2: be believed, Alcaraz was like vomiting into a towel. I
55:10
Speaker 2: don't know if that was from exertion or an electrolyte imbalance,
55:13
Speaker 2: or he's feeling sick or anything like that. But, there's
55:16
Speaker 2: plenty of things that happened in this match that were
55:19
Speaker 2: kind of notable moments that again, would have been topical
55:24
Speaker 2: and conversational if it were being played in prime time.
55:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
55:29
Speaker 4: Sports.
55:29
Speaker 2: One of the, one of the craziest things and have
55:31
Speaker 2: in working for a sports organization now that is trying
55:35
Speaker 2: to get like any modicum of attention, just any sliver
55:38
Speaker 2: of publicity we can, because we're, you know, a distant
55:41
Speaker 2: second place in the MMA race. It is so critically
55:49
Speaker 2: important to put your best product on a channel at
55:54
Speaker 2: a time when people are able to and willing to
55:59
Speaker 2: watch it. Because there are very few fans who are
56:04
Speaker 2: enthusiastic enough, who are big enough fans to kind of
56:08
Speaker 2: like overcome the roadblocks.
56:11
Speaker 5: Right?
56:11
Speaker 1: It's why.
56:13
Speaker 2: Sunday night football, the NFL is putting its best foot forward.
56:16
Speaker 2: It's why Monday night football there. Most of the time
56:19
Speaker 2: they're featuring the best stuff that they have. The NFL
56:22
Speaker 2: is probably a bad example to use because the NFL
56:24
Speaker 2: can get away with literally anything.
56:26
Speaker 1: Now they can.
56:27
Speaker 2: Bust out crappy color rush uniforms on a Thursday night
56:30
Speaker 2: game where none of the starters even want to be
56:32
Speaker 2: there on Amazon. And again, People are still watching it
56:37
Speaker 2: enough that Amazon is willing to pay an absurd amount
56:39
Speaker 2: of money for it, right?
56:41
Speaker 3: Thursday match-ups have been the exception. It's not necessarily the
56:44
Speaker 3: best match-ups.
56:45
Speaker 2: We're kicking off an NFL season on a Wednesday night,
56:49
Speaker 2: not because it's the optimal time for the NFL to
56:52
Speaker 2: kick off.
56:53
Speaker 1: Because they can. The NFL can do whatever it wants.
56:57
Speaker 1: The U.S.
56:58
Speaker 2: Open in tennis is not exactly in that spot, so
57:02
Speaker 2: I imagine there are some phone calls today between the
57:07
Speaker 2: biggest sponsors, the biggest kind of financial interest saying, why
57:12
Speaker 2: did we put this match at a time where maybe
57:17
Speaker 2: somebody in California stayed up to watch the whole thing,
57:20
Speaker 2: but locally and on the East coast, which everyone gears
57:26
Speaker 2: their broadcast for East coast primetime viewership, nobody on a
57:31
Speaker 2: school night, work night, is staying up until 3.30 a.m.
57:34
Speaker 2: unless they're in the Shelton family. Yeah, and here's the
57:38
Speaker 2: other thing about it, OC.
57:39
Speaker 3: The match before this that was actually in primetime, Francis
57:44
Speaker 3: Tiafoe and is it Alex Michelson or Michelson, however you
57:49
Speaker 3: say it there? Terrific five-set match, but that's the 11th-ranked player,
57:55
Speaker 3: an American star now, Francis Tiafoe, but the 11th, ranked
58:00
Speaker 3: player against an unranked player, unseated player, Ben Shelton.
58:04
Speaker 2: And Carlos Alcaraz are both top 10. Ben Shelton is
58:07
Speaker 2: the American star right now. And Carlos Alcaraz might be,
58:10
Speaker 2: it's probably the biggest star in all of men's tennis
58:12
Speaker 2: and all of tennis period. That matchup should have been your,
58:17
Speaker 2: your primetime match. And then Tiafoe should have been the
58:20
Speaker 2: one that went into wee hours in the morning. Like what,
58:22
Speaker 2: what are we doing there? I, but I guess, you know,
58:25
Speaker 2: you you're getting this publicity, I guess. So Tiafoe and
58:28
Speaker 2: Shelton will square off on Friday in the semi-final. Do
58:32
Speaker 2: you know the last time an American man won the
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Speaker 2: U S open is Roddick 2003, right? That is bananas.
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Speaker 2: Andy Roddick last one in 2003. Since then, it has
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Speaker 2: been anything but an American man winning the U S open.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Mostly Federer Nadal.
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Speaker 3: And Djokovic and now Alcaraz and now Alcaraz who.
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Speaker 2: Got knocked off by Shelton in front of exactly 42
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Speaker 2: people last night, baby.
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Speaker 1: Let's go get your stuff together.
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Speaker 4: U S open.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: We're over time to start our number two. We'll do
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Speaker 2: that next on the Sean O'Connell show.
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Speaker 1: It's ESPN. 700 and 92.1 FM.
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Speaker 10: This is the Sean O'Connell Show, your home of the
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Speaker 10: best inside of your Utes. Let's get back to.
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Speaker 8: OC from the Murdoch Chevrolet studio of ESPN 700 and 92.1 FM.
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Speaker 1: NFL season kicks off tonight.
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Speaker 2: The question is up on Twitter. As a football fan,
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Speaker 2: what do you prioritize? College football, NFL football.
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Speaker 1: Or tell the truth.
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Speaker 2: Is it equal for you? Do they hold equal weight
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Speaker 2: in your life as a sports fan?
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Speaker 1: And that means.
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Speaker 2: For me at least, if they're equal, it means that
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Speaker 2: you're scheduling your weekends just as much around watching your
1:00:02
Speaker 2: 49ers as you are around watching your Utes. Now, I
1:00:06
Speaker 2: don't think you have to go so far as to
1:00:08
Speaker 2: try to attend every 49ers game like you probably do
1:00:11
Speaker 2: with the Utes, but are you carving out time? Is
1:00:14
Speaker 2: the NFL that big of a priority for you? Obviously, nationally,
1:00:18
Speaker 2: it's massive, and here in the United States, it has
1:00:21
Speaker 2: become America's pastime. It is our number one sports product, definitively, Um,
1:00:27
Speaker 2: because we don't have a local team, I think that
1:00:31
Speaker 2: alters things. It changes things a little bit here in
1:00:34
Speaker 2: salt Lake city, eight, seven, seven, three, five, three zero 700.
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Speaker 2: If you want to tell me your relationship with NFL
1:00:39
Speaker 2: fandom relative to college football here on a Wednesday edition
1:00:43
Speaker 2: of the show, by the way, Ari Temkin is going
1:00:45
Speaker 2: to join us to start the one o'clock hour. We
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Speaker 2: still have the daily dump coming lots to get to
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Speaker 2: here midweek on the Sean O'Connell show college football right
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Speaker 2: now on the Twitter poll. For 67% of people is
1:00:59
Speaker 2: the priority. The NFL right now by itself is less
1:01:03
Speaker 2: than 5%, and then the must-watch for both is about
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Speaker 2: 28% of the people responding so far.
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Speaker 1: So tell me how you feel about it.
1:01:13
Speaker 2: The 49er fan in me is getting less and less
1:01:17
Speaker 2: enthusiastic about the approaching NFL season, although I'm curious to
1:01:22
Speaker 2: see what the Australia game looks like against the Rams
1:01:25
Speaker 2: for a couple of different reasons. I played at the MCG,
1:01:29
Speaker 2: the Melbourne cricket grounds, which is a great venue.
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Speaker 1: I've been there before.
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Speaker 2: I've been to an Aussie rules football game at the MCG,
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Speaker 2: Richmond tigers versus car versus Carlton. I don't know what
1:01:42
Speaker 2: Carlton's mascot is. That's a, that's the, that would be
1:01:46
Speaker 2: the deepest cut obscure mascot challenge. I could pull out
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Speaker 2: James Carlton, Aussie rules football.
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Speaker 1: What is their mascot?
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Speaker 3: I want to say spiders probably because you said the
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Speaker 3: other team was Richmond and I know that's the Richmond spiders.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with spiders. It's not. Richmond's
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Speaker 1: the tigers, by the way. Yeah, that's tigers.
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Speaker 4: Tigers.
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Speaker 1: What do we have here? I have to look it up. Elephants.
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Speaker 1: It's a, this sucks. This is terrible.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: The official mascot of the Carlton football club. Is Captain
1:02:27
Speaker 2: Carlton and Navy Nina.
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Speaker 1: So I don't. So they're not. Okay.
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Speaker 2: So they're one of those. So this is Carlton Football Club.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: The name is Carlton Football Club, not Carlton whatever mascot.
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Speaker 3: So it follows the soccer international sports tradition.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that at all.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Richmond Tigers. I guess they're called the Blues every now
1:02:47
Speaker 1: and again. The Blues.
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Speaker 3: Because probably the color of their. Do they call them
1:02:52
Speaker 3: kits in Aussie rules?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 2: Uh, back in the early days, they had a cockatoo
1:02:58
Speaker 2: as their mascot.
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Speaker 1: Ooh, the Carlton cockatoos.
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Speaker 2: And they call saying that on the radio, Carlton cocky.
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Speaker 2: That's a terrible mascot. Cockatoos are so non-threatening. They're just
1:03:09
Speaker 2: like pretty birds. Are they, are they one that they're
1:03:13
Speaker 2: the white ones you can train to talk?
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They like parrots that way.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: They're like parrots. That's what I thought. I don't like that. Anyway.
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Speaker 3: Isn't that, is it a cockatoo? That's one of the,
1:03:23
Speaker 3: that's one of the villains in Rio.
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Speaker 4: Correct. Correct.
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Speaker 1: Well done, James. Nice pull on obscure movie stuff.
1:03:32
Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: My, my 49ers fandom is making me less enthusiastic about
1:03:36
Speaker 2: the start of the NFL season. They will play on Thursday,
1:03:40
Speaker 2: the Australia game, Alfred Collins starting defensive tackle for the
1:03:46
Speaker 2: San Francisco 49ers tore his patellar tendon at.
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Speaker 1: Practice in Australia.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: Two days before the game kicks off. He gets a
1:03:56
Speaker 2: season ending season ending injury. He's already flown to Australia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's gotta be among like worst timing for
1:04:05
Speaker 3: season ending injuries. That's like right before the first season,
1:04:10
Speaker 3: no matter if you're playing at home or, or anywhere
1:04:12
Speaker 3: else domestically, It's got to be the worst, but it's
1:04:16
Speaker 3: compounded by the fact that you've already flown 16 hours
1:04:20
Speaker 3: to Australia, getting geared up to play this first-ever NFL
1:04:25
Speaker 3: game in Australia. Maybe you aren't so psyched about having
1:04:28
Speaker 3: to make that trip.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you are.
1:04:30
Speaker 2: And then you tear your patellar out for the season
1:04:35
Speaker 2: two days before.
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Speaker 1: That's terrible. Okay, so.
1:04:40
Speaker 1: One silver lining here for.
1:04:42
Speaker 2: The San Francisco 49ers kicking off in Australia. Aaron Donald
1:04:46
Speaker 2: has decided along with the LA Rams that he is
1:04:49
Speaker 2: not going to play in this game. In fact, he
1:04:51
Speaker 2: didn't even go to Australia, which is bananas to me.
1:04:55
Speaker 2: You get a guy to come out of retirement. You're
1:04:57
Speaker 2: paying him 20 million bucks for the year. You're expecting
1:04:59
Speaker 2: him to make you like this unstoppable defensive front. And
1:05:05
Speaker 2: you're not asking him to play in the first game
1:05:06
Speaker 2: against a division rival.
1:05:10
Speaker 1: Who might challenge for the division. So the Rams, here's
1:05:14
Speaker 1: something that.
1:05:16
Speaker 2: The 49ers, they're not going to get like an extra
1:05:19
Speaker 2: draft pick out of this. They're not going to get
1:05:21
Speaker 2: any incentive. The 49ers have been in Australia for over
1:05:25
Speaker 2: a week. They're adjusting to the time. They flew out there.
1:05:29
Speaker 2: They're doing the thing, the outreach, the ambassadorship for the NFL.
1:05:35
Speaker 1: And They're going to all these events. They're talking to
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Speaker 1: the media.
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Speaker 2: They're being laughed at by the Australian media because none
1:05:43
Speaker 2: of the American professional athletes know a dang thing about Australia.
1:05:48
Speaker 2: And they're just, they're like endearing themselves to the Australian public.
1:05:54
Speaker 2: It's part of an international promotional effort, right? To do
1:05:57
Speaker 2: these games overseas. The 49ers have leaned into it. And
1:06:02
Speaker 2: I would also be saying this if it wasn't the 49ers.
1:06:06
Speaker 2: If it were like the Raiders or the Broncos or
1:06:08
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, anyone except the Seahawks, I'd probably be giving
1:06:11
Speaker 2: them credit for this. However, the Rams were given full
1:06:16
Speaker 2: autonomy on their travel schedule when they decided to, when
1:06:19
Speaker 2: they wanted to do this. The Rams left early this
1:06:23
Speaker 2: morning to fly to Australia, which is about 16 hours.
1:06:30
Speaker 2: You can go direct from L.A.
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Speaker 1: To Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: All right.
1:06:35
Speaker 2: I've taken that flight. It's a long flight. They're going
1:06:38
Speaker 2: to land. They're going to be there for all of
1:06:42
Speaker 2: Thursday of Australian time Friday. They will play the game
1:06:48
Speaker 2: and then they're going to fly home. So the Rams
1:06:51
Speaker 2: are not only not doing any of the stuff like
1:06:53
Speaker 2: the photo shoots, the outreach, the let's go to the zoo.
1:06:58
Speaker 2: Let's try to find a kangaroo. Let's go on the
1:07:00
Speaker 2: news station. Let's talk to the Australian media. Let's see
1:07:03
Speaker 2: if we can get a couple more fans here. Not
1:07:06
Speaker 2: only are the Rams not doing that, they're now not
1:07:08
Speaker 2: bringing their best team because they're letting Aaron Donald stay home.
1:07:14
Speaker 2: The Rams and Sean McVay do not give a, you know,
1:07:18
Speaker 2: what about the NFL is big picture incentive to be
1:07:22
Speaker 2: doing these international games. He is just like, no, dude,
1:07:25
Speaker 2: my job is to win football games. I'm going to
1:07:29
Speaker 2: get my guys there when I feel like getting them there.
1:07:31
Speaker 2: I'm going to get them home when I feel like
1:07:32
Speaker 2: getting them home. And we're going to do this our way.
1:07:36
Speaker 2: You could probably do that. If you're Sean McVay, you
1:07:38
Speaker 2: could probably do that. If you're this version of the
1:07:40
Speaker 2: LA Rams roster, maybe they just want to keep Puka
1:07:44
Speaker 2: Nakua out of trouble in the Australian streets. I have
1:07:47
Speaker 2: no idea, but they're not going, they're on a plane
1:07:51
Speaker 2: right now and they will be until.
1:07:55
Speaker 1: I don't know, like three this morning. Three tomorrow morning.
1:07:57
Speaker 3: Can I share a tidbit as to why that's even
1:07:59
Speaker 3: more problematic from a league perspective? Remember when we were
1:08:03
Speaker 3: talking about the global markets program, how each team is
1:08:06
Speaker 3: assigned a country? Guess which one of the four teams, Australia,
1:08:15
Speaker 3: which is assigned to Australia.
1:08:17
Speaker 1: Is it the Rams? It's the Rams. Guess which one
1:08:20
Speaker 1: of the teams is not assigned to Australia? The Niners?
1:08:23
Speaker 1: The Niners. So the team. A team that's literally.
1:08:28
Speaker 3: Designated to be an ambassador of some sorts to Australian
1:08:35
Speaker 3: fans of American football is like, yeah, we're not doing
1:08:39
Speaker 3: any of that. But the team who's let's see what
1:08:42
Speaker 3: the Niners, the Niners are assigned to Mexico, United Kingdom
1:08:50
Speaker 3: and the United Arab Arab Emirates.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
1:08:55
Speaker 3: I think that's the three. Nowhere near Australia. And yet
1:09:00
Speaker 3: they're coming a week early.
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Speaker 4: Not....
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Speaker 1: Ambassadorship is not their main priority.
1:09:06
Speaker 3: Their main priority is to acclimatize themselves.
1:09:10
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's, let's be clear.
1:09:12
Speaker 2: I'm not claiming that the San Francisco 49ers are doing this.
1:09:15
Speaker 3: They feel like they're the benefit of the koalas and, or,
1:09:18
Speaker 3: and the media fans.
1:09:20
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:09:20
Speaker 2: They're doing it because they're sports science team thinks that
1:09:25
Speaker 2: they'll get better sleep.
1:09:26
Speaker 1: Their bodies will be better rested.
1:09:28
Speaker 2: They'll however, I'm not saying that that is the right
1:09:32
Speaker 2: thing because this is the team that practices next to
1:09:35
Speaker 2: a electrical substation that is destroying their connective tissues. So,
1:09:41
Speaker 2: I mean, according to science, it's not. According to science,
1:09:43
Speaker 2: it's not. But when has science ever got anything right?
1:09:46
Speaker 1: It's true.
1:09:47
Speaker 4: Okay.
1:09:48
Speaker 1: You're right. What are you, some kind of scientist now, James?
1:09:51
Speaker 1: Are you pro-science? Are you not?
1:09:53
Speaker 4: Okay.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: Joe breaking news on the show.
1:09:56
Speaker 2: James Peterson, who is, it's not infinite, but he is
1:09:59
Speaker 2: our producer right now.
1:10:01
Speaker 1: Nothing's infinite. He is pro science. And when it comes
1:10:04
Speaker 1: to injury prevention, wow. James.
1:10:07
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:10:07
Speaker 1: What a terrible, what a terrible person.
1:10:09
Speaker 4: All right.
1:10:10
Speaker 8: Good luck.
1:10:11
Speaker 2: In all seriousness, the Rams, it like at some point,
1:10:15
Speaker 2: this is going to be during the game. This is
1:10:18
Speaker 2: going to be part of the story that they tell
1:10:21
Speaker 2: with the game. Like All right, the 49ers had this
1:10:24
Speaker 2: injury here in practice. Season ending.
1:10:27
Speaker 1: That sucks.
1:10:28
Speaker 2: Your starting defensive tackle is out. The Rams didn't bring
1:10:31
Speaker 2: a guy who's eventually going to be a starting defensive
1:10:33
Speaker 2: tackle this year.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: All right.
1:10:35
Speaker 2: By the way, the 49ers look either fresh or not
1:10:39
Speaker 2: because they've been here for a week. The Rams look
1:10:41
Speaker 2: either fresh or not because they got here yesterday, which is,
1:10:45
Speaker 2: by the way, a lot more normal of a schedule
1:10:49
Speaker 2: for an NFL road trip.
1:10:51
Speaker 1: They fly in. They do their business. They fly home.
1:10:56
Speaker 2: It's not like when you're San Francisco playing at Denver,
1:11:01
Speaker 2: you get there on Tuesday and you're hanging out and
1:11:04
Speaker 2: you're going to a Rockies game. And you're like, you
1:11:06
Speaker 2: get there on Saturday and then you play on Sunday
1:11:09
Speaker 2: and then you fly home. That's the way they do things.
1:11:12
Speaker 2: So the Rams method might be the right one here.
1:11:15
Speaker 2: And Sean McVay obviously thinks so.
1:11:18
Speaker 3: They're trying to make it as like, To your point,
1:11:21
Speaker 3: they're trying to make it as normal of a game
1:11:23
Speaker 3: week as they possibly can.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: And I heard that.
1:11:31
Speaker 3: One of the reasons for that is not just to
1:11:33
Speaker 3: make it seem normal for the team, but also because
1:11:37
Speaker 3: their sports science people, their people that they have employed
1:11:41
Speaker 3: giving them advice on this, seem to think that this
1:11:44
Speaker 3: will be better for them for their week two game.
1:11:48
Speaker 3: They'll be better more prepared physically, metaphysically, mentally for week two,
1:11:55
Speaker 3: if they just fly in and fly out, then the
1:11:58
Speaker 3: Niners will be staying for a week and then flying back.
1:12:04
Speaker 3: So that'll be interesting for me. That's interesting to see.
1:12:09
Speaker 1: Which team is.
1:12:13
Speaker 3: Better not just tomorrow night, but also in the following week,
1:12:18
Speaker 3: like which method worked better.
1:12:20
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see the LA Rams. Again, we're
1:12:24
Speaker 1: not talking, we're talking about the game. This bad radio.
1:12:26
Speaker 2: We're talking about the game that kicks off tomorrow. Cause
1:12:28
Speaker 2: it's the one that has my favorite team. And it's,
1:12:30
Speaker 2: it's Patriots Seahawks. They kick off tonight. The Patriots are
1:12:36
Speaker 2: plus 1800 to win the Superbowl that they're what's this
1:12:39
Speaker 2: two or six. They're eighth, eighth, best odds to win
1:12:45
Speaker 2: the Superbowl. According to the preseason pick, according to the
1:12:49
Speaker 2: odds makers, according to Las Vegas, Seattle, of course, the
1:12:52
Speaker 2: defending champions who returned all but two starters from last
1:12:56
Speaker 2: year's team, by the way, those guys are sitting at
1:13:00
Speaker 2: fourth best odds plus 1200 to win this year's Superbowl.
1:13:04
Speaker 2: The Rams are the odds on favorite and by a
1:13:07
Speaker 2: pretty significant margin, they've got twice as good odds as
1:13:10
Speaker 2: the next best team, which is of course the Buffalo Bills.
1:13:14
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens at three Seattle Seahawks. I already mentioned the
1:13:18
Speaker 2: fourth best odds, the Kansas city chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles, LA chargers.
1:13:24
Speaker 2: Then the Patriots at eight Houston, Texas, Cincinnati Bengals rounding
1:13:29
Speaker 2: out the top 10. That is a belief in Joe
1:13:32
Speaker 2: burrow and in nothing else from Vegas.
1:13:35
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:13:36
Speaker 3: It's weird that the Texans are that high too. There's
1:13:40
Speaker 3: a lot of people who think that the chargers pass.
1:13:43
Speaker 2: Rush is And the Texans defense this year is going
1:13:46
Speaker 2: to be like one of the main stories in the NFL.
1:13:52
Speaker 2: Historically good, which we see Hunter and will Anderson as
1:13:56
Speaker 2: your tandem defensive ends.
1:13:59
Speaker 1: Nightmarish.
1:14:00
Speaker 2: That could be like a little Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis situation.
1:14:04
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:14:05
Speaker 3: And we've seen, obviously we can, we can all name
1:14:09
Speaker 3: the teams that led by historically great defense and, not
1:14:14
Speaker 3: that great offense, win Super Bowls, right?
1:14:17
Speaker 1: That happens. It's just, I don't know.
1:14:21
Speaker 3: It is a lot more of an outlier than the
1:14:25
Speaker 3: more balanced teams on both sides of the ball.
1:14:27
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, C.J.
1:14:30
Speaker 3: Stroud, after that great rookie year, has not proven to
1:14:33
Speaker 3: be a great offensive leader as a quarterback, helping that
1:14:38
Speaker 3: team be a great offense. I say the Chargers, too,
1:14:41
Speaker 3: because come on. When are we going to When are
1:14:44
Speaker 3: we going to realize that Justin Herbert and the L.A.
1:14:48
Speaker 3: Chargers have never done anything? Why are we giving them
1:14:53
Speaker 3: the Oklahoma State treatment, who, by the way, lost to
1:14:56
Speaker 3: Tulsa on Saturday? Congratulations on all that preseason hype. That's
1:15:00
Speaker 3: all you're going to get this year, probably. Why do
1:15:03
Speaker 3: we do this, OC?
1:15:05
Speaker 2: The Houston Texans had the 18th best offense in the
1:15:09
Speaker 2: league last year. They had the number one defense ever.
1:15:12
Speaker 2: in the league last year. I don't know exactly where
1:15:15
Speaker 2: the Venn diagram has to match up.
1:15:17
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly like on the hot, crazy scale.
1:15:21
Speaker 1: You have to.
1:15:21
Speaker 2: Be as a, as an NFL football team, but having
1:15:25
Speaker 2: a middle of the road offense and an elite defense
1:15:29
Speaker 2: is probably not quite enough to make you a super
1:15:31
Speaker 2: bowl champion. If you can have a slightly above average
1:15:34
Speaker 2: offense and an elite defense, you can win championships.
1:15:38
Speaker 1: We've seen Utah football do that. where you've got like.
1:15:42
Speaker 2: A decent offense, a, a above average offense and an
1:15:46
Speaker 2: elite defense. And you're right there in that championship picture.
1:15:50
Speaker 2: The thing that gets you over the hump though, in football,
1:15:53
Speaker 2: in modern day football is having some kind of offensive
1:15:58
Speaker 2: outlier status, whether it's, you've got a way above average quarterback,
1:16:02
Speaker 2: even if your receivers aren't great, sound familiar. You've got
1:16:05
Speaker 2: a really great running game and an adequate quarterback. And
1:16:08
Speaker 2: then you've got that defense that, Again, the championship recipe
1:16:13
Speaker 2: in the NFL has swung more and more and more
1:16:16
Speaker 2: towards the offense. That is what helped the Rams become
1:16:21
Speaker 2: the Rams conversationally, at least in the first place. Last year,
1:16:25
Speaker 2: interestingly enough, the Seattle Seahawks were just the most well-rounded team.
1:16:30
Speaker 2: They didn't have a top five offense or a top
1:16:33
Speaker 2: five defense, and yet they ended up winning the Super Bowl.
1:16:39
Speaker 1: So there's that. as a potential goal for your team.
1:16:44
Speaker 2: Like by all means, acquire the personnel that you can
1:16:49
Speaker 2: get the best quarterback play that you can. The Seahawks
1:16:51
Speaker 2: were the sixth best defense in the league last year.
1:16:55
Speaker 2: And they were the, I think it was the ninth
1:16:57
Speaker 2: best offense in the league, which again, that's from a
1:17:00
Speaker 2: composite score type standpoint, your top 10 and both you're
1:17:04
Speaker 2: giving yourself a chance in every game. And ultimately they
1:17:07
Speaker 2: obviously took it all down. So I think they're probably
1:17:11
Speaker 2: not being talked about enough. They're not going to be
1:17:12
Speaker 2: talked about anymore on this show because I'm a Niners guy,
1:17:15
Speaker 2: so I don't want to talk about the Seattle Seahawks.
1:17:17
Speaker 2: But I hope Rasheed Shaheed and Conor O'Toole continue to
1:17:21
Speaker 2: have a lot of success.
1:17:26
Speaker 4: 877-353-0700.
1:17:27
Speaker 2: If you want to weigh in on anything NFL or,
1:17:31
Speaker 2: of course, the craziness in college football right now.
1:17:37
Speaker 1: Sam from... Sam on, uh, on the text line. Okay.
1:17:47
Speaker 1: I like it. Uh, shout out to the Collingwood magpies.
1:17:51
Speaker 2: You need to look like a convict outfit that you
1:17:53
Speaker 2: get at spirit Halloween called magpies.
1:17:56
Speaker 4: All right.
1:17:56
Speaker 1: I like that. Collingwood.
1:17:59
Speaker 2: Um, I, I also went to a, I think I
1:18:03
Speaker 2: went to a Collingwood versus Port Adelaide game when I
1:18:07
Speaker 2: fought in Adelaide, Australia. If I'm not mistaken, I think
1:18:10
Speaker 2: Collingwood is who they were playing against. So, Sam, thanks
1:18:13
Speaker 2: for stirring that up. Mike in Kaysville is on the phone.
1:18:18
Speaker 2: Is that correct, James?
1:18:20
Speaker 1: Mike, welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. How are you?
1:18:24
Speaker 5: I'm well. Thanks for asking. I love your show. Listen
1:18:26
Speaker 5: every day. My play that I would want back is
1:18:31
Speaker 5: when Kaitlin Kaye Katelyn clay put the ball down on
1:18:34
Speaker 5: the one foot line and I can see it sitting there.
1:18:37
Speaker 5: Nobody knew, but the rest of the crowd, it was awful.
1:18:41
Speaker 1: Oh, I remember that very distinctly.
1:18:43
Speaker 2: And it was a confusing, I, it was kind of
1:18:46
Speaker 2: like one of those look away and then look back moments.
1:18:49
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what's going on here? Why
1:18:53
Speaker 1: is this happening?
1:18:54
Speaker 2: And obviously we all, we all came to realize the
1:18:59
Speaker 2: devastating error that had been made.
1:19:01
Speaker 1: That is the, that's the mulligan that you want back. Yeah. Yeah.
1:19:05
Speaker 5: I mean, I can see that he dropped it. We
1:19:07
Speaker 5: knew that he didn't get the end zone, but it
1:19:09
Speaker 5: was like, who's going to get the ball first, a
1:19:11
Speaker 5: Utah guy or an Oregon guy.
1:19:14
Speaker 2: And ultimately it was Oregon and they took it all
1:19:15
Speaker 2: the way back. Backbreaker, terrible momentum. Thanks for the phone call.
1:19:21
Speaker 2: Appreciate you listening every single day. It really, it really
1:19:25
Speaker 2: feels great when people are like, Hey, I listen all
1:19:29
Speaker 2: the time. Cause we don't know if you listen, like
1:19:34
Speaker 2: for five minutes or you listen all day or you
1:19:36
Speaker 2: listen every day or you listen one day a week.
1:19:38
Speaker 2: So when you call in and you tell me that
1:19:40
Speaker 2: it's like, it's like walking up to me on the
1:19:43
Speaker 2: street and be like, Hey, did you lose weight, man?
1:19:45
Speaker 1: You look great. It gives me that kind of warm, fuzzy.
1:19:48
Speaker 1: And so see, and I, there's a glass between us.
1:19:50
Speaker 1: We do the air. We do the air five. We
1:19:52
Speaker 1: got one.
1:19:52
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:19:53
Speaker 1: Even if it's only one, I'm cool, man. If it's
1:19:56
Speaker 1: just one, that's fine with me.
1:19:58
Speaker 3: Uh, Real quick, speaking of, he brought up that game
1:20:02
Speaker 3: against Oregon back in the day. Our guy, I got
1:20:06
Speaker 3: to correct the name here. Guys, Tim, who texted in,
1:20:09
Speaker 3: the Ducks fan, not Tom. He mentioned he can watch
1:20:14
Speaker 3: any NFL game. Is Mike calling back? The phone is
1:20:17
Speaker 3: ringing again.
1:20:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got another one.
1:20:19
Speaker 3: We're going to have to do more calls in the
1:20:21
Speaker 3: next hour, though, guys.
1:20:22
Speaker 1: We got to move on here in a sec. But
1:20:24
Speaker 1: Tim says.
1:20:26
Speaker 3: He's more into college, not the NFL, even though he
1:20:30
Speaker 3: can watch, he can enjoy any NFL game because he's
1:20:33
Speaker 3: got the diehard team with the ducks there. So shout
1:20:35
Speaker 3: out to Tim in Cedar Hills, listening out there in Syria.
1:20:38
Speaker 4: All right.
1:20:39
Speaker 1: Appreciate that.
1:20:40
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1:20:43
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Speaker 4: I don't mind.
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1:21:49
Speaker 2: I don't know if cha-ching is the right because I'm
1:21:52
Speaker 2: not betting, but should be a good thing. As the
1:21:58
Speaker 2: NFL season is set to start, Tampa Bay Buccaneers have
1:22:04
Speaker 2: reached an agreement with Baker Mayfield on a record-setting contract extension,
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Speaker 2: making him the highest-paid Buc ever. Three years, $ 165 million
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Speaker 2: for Baker Mayfield, who is their franchise quarterback. This makes
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Speaker 2: him the third-highest-paid quarterback ever in the national football league.
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Speaker 2: James is not impressed when these things happen because it's
1:22:25
Speaker 2: just a timing situation. The Baker here's what's impressive about
1:22:29
Speaker 2: the Baker Mayfield deal. His initial contract with the Tampa
1:22:34
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers was a one year, $ 4 million proved to us.
1:22:38
Speaker 2: You can play type deal. And he proved that he
1:22:41
Speaker 2: could play. And then his next deal was for a
1:22:43
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars. And now this deal is for $ 165
1:22:47
Speaker 2: million in a franchise record.
1:22:49
Speaker 1: I also, the language of.
1:22:51
Speaker 2: The article reporting on this was really fascinating to me
1:22:55
Speaker 2: because they talked about it being a long-term extension. This
1:22:59
Speaker 2: is This is not really like so much about semantics,
1:23:03
Speaker 2: but about the shifting attitudes of the NFL and how
1:23:09
Speaker 2: long contracts are becoming a thing of the past in
1:23:12
Speaker 2: the NFL. The money is so good right now that
1:23:17
Speaker 2: players are willing to accept the relative lack of security
1:23:21
Speaker 2: that previously they would have been fearful of over like
1:23:24
Speaker 2: a three-year extension. Now, because they're making this kind of money,
1:23:28
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, well, it's only three years, but
1:23:30
Speaker 2: I'm getting generational wealth out of these three years. You
1:23:34
Speaker 2: go back 15 years, 10 years, even in the NFL
1:23:37
Speaker 2: and guys want six, eight, 10 year contracts, because what
1:23:41
Speaker 2: do you want? You want guaranteed money. And that guaranteed
1:23:44
Speaker 2: money for a team is only acceptable. If you can
1:23:48
Speaker 2: kind of prorate it and spread it out over the
1:23:51
Speaker 2: course of that longer term contract. salary cap going up
1:23:56
Speaker 2: more revenue for the NFL seemingly every single year until
1:24:01
Speaker 2: the aliens or AI decides to kill us more on
1:24:04
Speaker 2: that here in just a second. And Baker Mayfield is
1:24:09
Speaker 2: now a $ 55 million a year quarterback in the modern NFL.
1:24:14
Speaker 2: That is a big number. Let me just reference back here.
1:24:21
Speaker 2: The Betting odds for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to win
1:24:32
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. Because that's why you're paying both Baker
1:24:40
Speaker 2: Mayfield and Vita Veya that kind of money. Baker, or sorry,
1:24:46
Speaker 2: not Baker Mayfield Super Bowl odds. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Super
1:24:50
Speaker 2: Bowl odds. 55-1, they are plus 4,500. They are way
1:24:56
Speaker 2: down there. So here's another crazy reason why he's getting
1:25:05
Speaker 2: this much money. He's been terrific in Tampa. Individually, he's
1:25:08
Speaker 2: been awesome.
1:25:10
Speaker 3: OC, he's been there three years, three full seasons. What
1:25:15
Speaker 3: is his combined record? What is the team's combined record
1:25:18
Speaker 3: without looking it up?
1:25:19
Speaker 1: You know? I would say.
1:25:23
Speaker 2: He's probably won 15 games in those years, maybe 20.
1:25:27
Speaker 1: Higher than that. 27 and 24. Not bad. Yeah.
1:25:31
Speaker 3: But also barely over 500 missed the playoffs last year.
1:25:36
Speaker 1: And yet you're like, yeah, 55 million a year. Here
1:25:39
Speaker 1: you go. Well, this is okay.
1:25:40
Speaker 2: So this is one of those things about being a
1:25:42
Speaker 2: quarterback or being a point guard or being a starting pitcher, right?
1:25:47
Speaker 2: The fear for whatever team is, all right, if we
1:25:50
Speaker 2: don't get this deal done, if we have to hit
1:25:53
Speaker 2: a reset button, if we don't have our franchise guy,
1:25:57
Speaker 2: what do we have? The NFL teams that do not
1:26:00
Speaker 2: have franchise quarterbacks are below 500. They're laughed at. The
1:26:08
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns are the perpetual example of this, where they
1:26:12
Speaker 2: haven't been able to figure out a franchise quarterback for
1:26:15
Speaker 2: 20 years. And they're at the top of the draft
1:26:19
Speaker 2: every single year. And they've had one hall of famer
1:26:23
Speaker 2: in those 20 years.
1:26:25
Speaker 1: It's brutal.
1:26:27
Speaker 4: Right.
1:26:27
Speaker 2: And we hope that their, their fortunes, they find some
1:26:31
Speaker 2: reversal of fortunes here because now Spencer Fano is part
1:26:34
Speaker 2: of that franchise, but man, that's why you have to
1:26:37
Speaker 2: go all in on somebody like Baker Mayfield, because you know,
1:26:41
Speaker 2: he's not the third best quarterback in the league.
1:26:43
Speaker 1: You know, he's not. You shouldn't have to pay him.
1:26:45
Speaker 2: Like he's the third best quarterback in the league, but
1:26:47
Speaker 2: you kind of do because if you're, if you're saying,
1:26:50
Speaker 2: all right, well, he's a top 10 guy or a
1:26:52
Speaker 2: top 15 guy. If we don't secure him, there is
1:26:57
Speaker 2: not another top guy out there for us.
1:27:00
Speaker 1: It's true.
1:27:01
Speaker 3: And what's ironic about everything you said is that Baker
1:27:05
Speaker 3: Mayfield was with the Cleveland Browns.
1:27:07
Speaker 4: Yes.
1:27:08
Speaker 1: Didn't quite work. Great commercials with the Cleveland Browns. Yes,
1:27:11
Speaker 1: he did. Not a lot of, uh, Fun fact.
1:27:14
Speaker 2: Also, we talked about this yesterday with Christian Gonzalez's contract.
1:27:18
Speaker 1: He's the highest paid Patriot ever.
1:27:20
Speaker 2: Now Baker Mayfield is making more than double what Tom
1:27:24
Speaker 2: Brady made as the quarterback of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
1:27:27
Speaker 2: And Tom Brady was paid $ 25 million a year to
1:27:32
Speaker 2: be the quarterback of the Tampa Bay Bucs. And he
1:27:34
Speaker 2: did win them a Superbowl.
1:27:36
Speaker 3: He was still a top 10 quarterback at his advanced
1:27:40
Speaker 3: stage at that time. One of them, a Superbowl. Had
1:27:43
Speaker 3: a couple more awesome years and a divorce. And, yeah,
1:27:49
Speaker 3: he was well worth that money, probably worth more than
1:27:52
Speaker 3: the money they were giving him. Baker Mayfield, it's an overpay,
1:27:55
Speaker 3: but he's also been really good in Tampa. It's been
1:27:57
Speaker 3: a career renaissance for him. Obviously, the hope is they
1:28:02
Speaker 3: have a much better year this year than they did
1:28:05
Speaker 3: when they missed the playoffs the last year, and he's
1:28:08
Speaker 3: a big.
1:28:08
Speaker 1: Part of that. Have we left Alec hanging on the
1:28:12
Speaker 1: line too long?
1:28:13
Speaker 2: Alec from vineyard wants to weigh in on yesterday's question
1:28:16
Speaker 2: about a Mulligan. If you could go back and replay
1:28:19
Speaker 2: any game deciding play for Utah football, like Michigan got
1:28:22
Speaker 2: a chance to do over the weekend, which one would
1:28:25
Speaker 2: you choose?
1:28:25
Speaker 1: Alec, welcome to the show. How are you doing?
1:28:28
Speaker 4: Great.
1:28:29
Speaker 11: Oh, see, how are you?
1:28:29
Speaker 1: I'm great.
1:28:30
Speaker 7: So before I share.
1:28:31
Speaker 11: My moment that I would love to have reversed, I
1:28:34
Speaker 11: wanted to share a super quick story. if that's all right.
1:28:37
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:28:38
Speaker 11: So last week you had a caller try to call in,
1:28:44
Speaker 11: but his wife or partner was in the background basically
1:28:47
Speaker 11: telling him, why are you calling in? What are you doing?
1:28:50
Speaker 5: Yes.
1:28:50
Speaker 11: You kind of, yeah. And he ended up hanging up.
1:28:52
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.
1:28:53
Speaker 11: And me and my partner, we were in the car
1:28:55
Speaker 11: at the time and she started laughing at that. She's like, yeah,
1:28:58
Speaker 11: no one calls into radio shows anymore. Like I don't
1:29:00
Speaker 11: blame her for asking why he was doing that. And
1:29:02
Speaker 11: I was like, yeah, totally. So then on Saturday, we're
1:29:07
Speaker 11: driving to, uh, driving up to Salt Lake and we're
1:29:12
Speaker 11: listening to just ESPN 700. And we hear, she hears
1:29:16
Speaker 11: a commercial, you know, for your show. And it was
1:29:19
Speaker 11: our conversation from when I called in about the sauna
1:29:22
Speaker 11: on Friday. She's like, was that you? I said, yeah.
1:29:27
Speaker 11: She's like, you are so old. You were born in
1:29:30
Speaker 11: the wrong generation. So she heard, unfortunately she heard my
1:29:35
Speaker 11: grievance about the sauna in a commercial that you guys
1:29:38
Speaker 11: were doing for your show on Saturday and decided to
1:29:42
Speaker 11: let her feelings out about it.
1:29:43
Speaker 1: Well, uh, is there a significant age gap between you
1:29:46
Speaker 1: and your wife?
1:29:48
Speaker 11: Uh, three years.
1:29:49
Speaker 1: That's not significant.
1:29:51
Speaker 2: So if you got to remind her, if you're, if
1:29:54
Speaker 2: you're so old, then she's so old also.
1:29:56
Speaker 4: Right.
1:29:56
Speaker 1: So I don't like that.
1:29:57
Speaker 11: I'm not, I'm not going to walk that road. I'm sorry.
1:30:02
Speaker 5: All right.
1:30:02
Speaker 1: You're, you're a smart man. You probably shouldn't do that.
1:30:05
Speaker 11: But anyways, uh, my moment, I would love to have
1:30:08
Speaker 11: reverse was, uh, Unfortunately, my first ever time going to
1:30:13
Speaker 11: a Utah BYU game, and I was sitting front row
1:30:16
Speaker 11: in the north end zone where it happened, where it
1:30:21
Speaker 11: was Beck to Harleen. And those words stabbed me in
1:30:25
Speaker 11: the heart every single time I hear them. And all
1:30:28
Speaker 11: of my BYU friends constantly bring it up. And yeah,
1:30:32
Speaker 11: it wasn't a great moment. It wasn't a great first
1:30:34
Speaker 11: experience for the Holy War. So I would love if
1:30:36
Speaker 11: we could go back and not give John Beck 20
1:30:41
Speaker 11: seconds to throw the game-winning touchdown.
1:30:43
Speaker 2: That one, I think I tweeted it to the same
1:30:46
Speaker 2: effect when I put the question out in the first place.
1:30:49
Speaker 2: Even though it was not the most impactful game-changing moment
1:30:52
Speaker 2: in Utah football history because they've gone on, they beat BYU.
1:30:56
Speaker 2: That was before the decade-long win streak, right? They've won
1:31:00
Speaker 2: Pac-12 championships since then. They've been to the Rose Bowl
1:31:03
Speaker 2: since then. That one is just one because it's, it
1:31:07
Speaker 2: became a catchphrase. It became a rallying cry for BYU
1:31:11
Speaker 2: football for your rival.
1:31:13
Speaker 1: So it's just like, Oh, you gotta get, if you
1:31:15
Speaker 1: could wash that out.
1:31:17
Speaker 2: Of the lore, it would be, it'd be a real
1:31:20
Speaker 2: problem for BYU and it'd be a real help for Utah.
1:31:22
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's a good guess. Or I
1:31:25
Speaker 2: think that's a good pick is the better way to
1:31:27
Speaker 2: say that.
1:31:32
Speaker 3: Shout out to, uh, to Alec in vineyard for having
1:31:36
Speaker 3: the best stories, by the way, that is fantastic.
1:31:38
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. And so when he.
1:31:41
Speaker 2: Said, it's like the metaverse, when the wife is like,
1:31:44
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no one calls in.
1:31:46
Speaker 1: To radio shows.
1:31:47
Speaker 2: And then here's that you called into the radio show
1:31:50
Speaker 2: and we clipped that. And then we played it and
1:31:51
Speaker 2: she must've been like, wait, what? We just talked about this.
1:31:54
Speaker 2: You're actually doing this. You're one of these guys. That's amazing.
1:31:58
Speaker 2: And I love it.
1:31:58
Speaker 3: Speaker 2, your, your guy, Alec, by the way, he is,
1:32:02
Speaker 3: he's got the best sauna stories. He's our sauna guy, Alex.
1:32:06
Speaker 3: So you've just been educated.
1:32:07
Speaker 2: Speaker 0 7, I still so desperately want that caller
1:32:11
Speaker 2: who did not stay on the line to call.
1:32:13
Speaker 3: Back We want to make sure you know, because we
1:32:17
Speaker 3: know you're listening, that this is always a safe space.
1:32:20
Speaker 3: No matter what you got going on at home and
1:32:22
Speaker 3: they're questioning your decision to try to call into a
1:32:25
Speaker 3: radio show, you can still call into the radio show.
1:32:28
Speaker 1: We will still have you here on the Sean O'Connell Show.
1:32:30
Speaker 2: People, by the way, still bringing in mulligans. And this
1:32:32
Speaker 2: was from yesterday's show.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: I love it. Keep it rolling.
1:32:36
Speaker 2: The 7153 on the text line says, here's a mulligan super...
1:32:41
Speaker 2: Superbowl hand the ball off to Marshawn Lynch still gives
1:32:44
Speaker 2: me nightmares.
1:32:46
Speaker 4: You know what?
1:32:47
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that one. I'm okay with them. Not
1:32:48
Speaker 1: handing the ball off on the goal line.
1:32:50
Speaker 5: That's okay.
1:32:51
Speaker 3: By the way, a home of the Seahawks here, proudly
1:32:54
Speaker 3: home of the Seahawks, CSPN, 792 on FM. We're going
1:32:56
Speaker 3: to have the season opener Patriots Seahawks. They just, just
1:33:00
Speaker 3: want to, I'll say that. So you don't have to
1:33:02
Speaker 3: OC Rob.
1:33:03
Speaker 1: Who is 71 53.
1:33:04
Speaker 2: Rob also says definitely college football over the NFL, but
1:33:07
Speaker 2: watch the Seahawks when they're on a free broadcast. which
1:33:11
Speaker 2: by the way is problematic in and of itself, finding more,
1:33:14
Speaker 2: you know, free broadcast. You don't have to get Amazon.
1:33:16
Speaker 2: You don't have to get Netflix. You don't have to
1:33:18
Speaker 2: get like fewer and fewer games are being found on
1:33:21
Speaker 2: just network television. And how about this actually scheduled my
1:33:26
Speaker 2: time around the mammoth over the NFL.
1:33:29
Speaker 1: So, okay. So that's, that's another thing, right?
1:33:32
Speaker 2: Even though hockey is, I don't feel like I'm yet,
1:33:36
Speaker 2: died in the wool enough to say that hockey is
1:33:38
Speaker 2: like my second or third favorite sport. That's absolutely true
1:33:42
Speaker 2: of my household. Now we will schedule. We, we do
1:33:45
Speaker 2: schedule around mammoth games. My, my wife loves to go
1:33:48
Speaker 2: to mammoth games. We don't get babysitters for NFL games.
1:33:51
Speaker 4: All right.
1:33:52
Speaker 2: We're getting babysitters to go to mammoth games. I, I
1:33:56
Speaker 2: don't even bother to go on the press pass as
1:33:59
Speaker 2: much as I go on the ticket, which is, you know,
1:34:03
Speaker 2: like we're paying for those. So, yeah, we schedule a
1:34:06
Speaker 2: lot more stuff around the Mammoth than we do around
1:34:09
Speaker 2: any NFL game. So that's a good shout from Rob.
1:34:17
Speaker 2: As we continue the Daily Dump here, another story from
1:34:22
Speaker 2: Australia with the San Francisco 49ers. There's a player that
1:34:26
Speaker 2: you probably don't know much about. His name is Braden Willis, okay?
1:34:32
Speaker 2: The business side of the NFL is ridiculous.
1:34:35
Speaker 1: Pretty rough.
1:34:35
Speaker 2: So Braden Willis is a tight end and he flew
1:34:40
Speaker 2: with the team to Australia. He is a special teams
1:34:47
Speaker 2: backup tight end type guy. The San Francisco 49ers took
1:34:52
Speaker 2: Braden Willis to San Francisco with them, took, took Braden
1:34:58
Speaker 2: Willis to Australia with them. And then they cut him
1:35:02
Speaker 2: in Australia. They had to cut him so they could... Well,
1:35:05
Speaker 2: they waved him. It's a nicer way to say that.
1:35:07
Speaker 2: They waved him so that they could activate John Weeks,
1:35:12
Speaker 2: who is a long snapper, a 40-year-old veteran long snapper,
1:35:16
Speaker 2: who had to be activated from the practice squad in
1:35:20
Speaker 2: order to help the team in Australia.
1:35:24
Speaker 1: That's brutal.
1:35:29
Speaker 8: Now....
1:35:32
Speaker 2: He's not going to have to just turn around and
1:35:34
Speaker 2: fly back. He can stay in Australia. The initial report
1:35:38
Speaker 2: said that they flew him down there. They cut him
1:35:41
Speaker 2: and they flew him back. That was sensationalized. He's he
1:35:45
Speaker 2: gets to stay with the team.
1:35:47
Speaker 1: That's good.
1:35:48
Speaker 2: He doesn't have to use a, he's not using up
1:35:51
Speaker 2: a 53 band roster spot.
1:35:53
Speaker 3: Is that, is that because the initial thought was that
1:35:58
Speaker 3: they cut him and not waved him? Is that, is it,
1:36:01
Speaker 3: that technicality that's like, yeah, you can, you're allowed to
1:36:05
Speaker 3: stay with the team.
1:36:06
Speaker 2: They waved him. And then if he had been claimed
1:36:08
Speaker 2: off waivers, he would have had to, he would have
1:36:11
Speaker 2: had to go and he hasn't been claimed.
1:36:12
Speaker 1: He wasn't claimed. So the Niners can keep him. Okay.
1:36:16
Speaker 1: On the practice squad.
1:36:17
Speaker 4: Okay.
1:36:18
Speaker 1: Which, you know what? Of course.
1:36:21
Speaker 3: You would, a guy in his position, he might want
1:36:25
Speaker 3: to get picked up off waivers and be on an
1:36:27
Speaker 3: actual 53 man roster, not the practice squad. But given
1:36:31
Speaker 3: the trip, he's probably like.
1:36:33
Speaker 1: You know what?
1:36:35
Speaker 2: Let's just, let's stick around here. You just another day.
1:36:37
Speaker 2: Could you wave me another day so I could hang out?
1:36:39
Speaker 1: I want to go. I want to go hold a wallaby.
1:36:43
Speaker 3: At least go to a, at least go to the game.
1:36:45
Speaker 3: Like put me in, give me some tickets to the game.
1:36:48
Speaker 3: If I can't be on the roster. Well, that's good.
1:36:53
Speaker 1: Cause you're right.
1:36:55
Speaker 3: The original report said he had to fly straight back
1:36:57
Speaker 3: and that is even more brutal.
1:36:58
Speaker 1: 16 hours down.
1:37:01
Speaker 2: I think it's 17 hours actually from San Francisco, 17
1:37:04
Speaker 2: hours back. That'd be 34 hours of traveling. And you
1:37:08
Speaker 2: were there for a couple of days.
1:37:10
Speaker 1: Probably.
1:37:10
Speaker 2: We have a, we have a PFL Dubai trip coming up,
1:37:15
Speaker 2: assuming that the middle East doesn't explode again. And I
1:37:19
Speaker 2: was looking at the flights because you got to, you know,
1:37:22
Speaker 2: they're going to start booking travel soon. I was looking
1:37:24
Speaker 2: at the flights and because, because no one wants.
1:37:27
Speaker 1: To fly to Dubai right now.
1:37:29
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:37:30
Speaker 1: Why not? I don't get it. Airspace in the Middle
1:37:34
Speaker 1: East is apparently complicated right now. Imagine that.
1:37:40
Speaker 2: The routes, James, the biggest first world problem I'm going
1:37:42
Speaker 2: to have this year. Like the get there and get
1:37:45
Speaker 2: back is ridiculous right now. It's going to add like
1:37:50
Speaker 2: several hours. It adds another flight, right? It used to
1:37:54
Speaker 2: be you could fly one stop pretty effectively, right? You
1:37:58
Speaker 2: could go either to the east coast of the United States,
1:38:00
Speaker 2: like go to New York, fly to Dubai from there,
1:38:03
Speaker 2: or you could go to Amsterdam and fly to Dubai
1:38:05
Speaker 2: from there. Now KLM's just like, we're not flying there.
1:38:09
Speaker 2: Now I think it's American Airlines that does the New
1:38:11
Speaker 2: York to Dubai one.
1:38:12
Speaker 1: They're like, we're not flying there. So it's like, oh, crap.
1:38:17
Speaker 1: We got to add another stop.
1:38:18
Speaker 3: So you got to go to Europe, then Africa, then
1:38:21
Speaker 3: something like that?
1:38:22
Speaker 1: You got to go you got to go Europe.
1:38:25
Speaker 2: Then, uh, Qatar, which again, another middle Eastern stop and
1:38:31
Speaker 2: then to Dubai. So I know that that doesn't affect
1:38:35
Speaker 2: anybody except me and it won't for at least a month,
1:38:37
Speaker 2: but geez, you're just, you're just expressing that you might
1:38:40
Speaker 2: know what Braden Willis may have had to gone through
1:38:44
Speaker 2: if he hadn't gotten, uh, unclaimed from waivers.
1:38:49
Speaker 1: That's brutal.
1:38:50
Speaker 3: That's a brutal flight for you in about a month,
1:38:55
Speaker 3: but it'd be fine. But that, that the business of
1:38:57
Speaker 3: the NFL, that's brutal. At least he gets to stay.
1:39:00
Speaker 1: Shout out to the 40 year old long snapper. That's activated.
1:39:03
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:39:04
Speaker 1: Just hanging around dude. Long snapper. I, if you are a.
1:39:09
Speaker 2: Six foot two, 240 something pound backup, like defensive end
1:39:15
Speaker 2: or tight end or somebody right now, in high school
1:39:17
Speaker 2: football or college football, just become a great long snapper.
1:39:22
Speaker 1: Those dudes could hang around in the league for a long,
1:39:25
Speaker 1: long time.
1:39:27
Speaker 3: The old KGDC keep getting them checks and it's not.
1:39:30
Speaker 1: Glamorous, but it doesn't have to be, man.
1:39:34
Speaker 2: You play 12 snaps a game. You got to make
1:39:38
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Speaker 2: This question from Adam Burke. Perfect to fill a couple
1:40:30
Speaker 2: minutes before we get to Ari Temkin. Discuss this at
1:40:34
Speaker 2: work today. If Michigan loses to Oklahoma and Ohio State
1:40:37
Speaker 2: but wins out otherwise, are they a playoff team or
1:40:40
Speaker 2: do they get punished for losing to Western Michigan?
1:40:46
Speaker 1: I think that, yes, they do get punished. I think
1:40:50
Speaker 1: that the only way that the.
1:40:53
Speaker 2: The Wolverines can kind of pull themselves out of the
1:40:56
Speaker 2: perceived tailspin is by beating some of the most impressive
1:41:01
Speaker 2: names on their, on their schedule.
1:41:03
Speaker 1: Well, hold on a minute, hold on a minute.
1:41:06
Speaker 2: Cause in this hypothetical, you lose to Oklahoma. So now
1:41:12
Speaker 2: you're one in one, but in everyone's hearts, your own two,
1:41:16
Speaker 2: it feels like you're on two, but you're one in
1:41:17
Speaker 2: one Notre Dame survived starting. Oh, and two and still
1:41:20
Speaker 2: made a college football playoff, right? So let's say if
1:41:25
Speaker 2: you're Michigan, now you're, so right now you're effectively, even
1:41:29
Speaker 2: though they don't keep official rankings outside of the top 25,
1:41:31
Speaker 2: you're 28.
1:41:33
Speaker 1: Okay. You're 28. You lose to Oklahoma.
1:41:36
Speaker 2: Now you're like 35 or lower, right?
1:41:41
Speaker 1: You beat UTEP. That does nothing for you.
1:41:43
Speaker 2: Let's assume Iowa stays ranked by the time they come
1:41:46
Speaker 2: to Ann Arbor.
1:41:48
Speaker 1: You beat Iowa. Now you start climbing again. Now you're 33.
1:41:50
Speaker 4: Okay. right?
1:41:52
Speaker 2: You beat Minnesota. That probably does nothing for you. You
1:41:55
Speaker 2: beat Penn state.
1:41:56
Speaker 4: Okay.
1:41:56
Speaker 2: Now, depending on what's happening in front of you, now
1:41:59
Speaker 2: you're back flirting with the top 25.
1:42:01
Speaker 3: If Penn state is still ranked, especially you're in that position,
1:42:05
Speaker 3: you beat Indiana, who you're back in right now is
1:42:09
Speaker 3: ranked five.
1:42:10
Speaker 2: Now you're in the top 25 and you've got Rutgers,
1:42:13
Speaker 2: Michigan state, and then Oregon. If you beat Oregon, They
1:42:18
Speaker 2: got a tough schedule. They've got a nightmare of a schedule.
1:42:20
Speaker 2: It's why we talked about this. Kyle Whittingham left the
1:42:23
Speaker 2: university of Utah under inauspicious circumstances. Some of it, his fault,
1:42:29
Speaker 2: some of it, potentially the fault of an athletic department
1:42:32
Speaker 2: that was kind of finished with him, right? Instead of
1:42:35
Speaker 2: riding off into the sunset and getting his statue built
1:42:37
Speaker 2: in five years, that is now kind of an ugly,
1:42:40
Speaker 2: complicated situation that is going to take some level of reconciliation.
1:42:44
Speaker 1: I think for maybe from both sides, right?
1:42:47
Speaker 2: And he's doing that to potentially on paper, be the
1:42:50
Speaker 2: fifth best team in the big 10.
1:42:52
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:42:53
Speaker 3: Cause even before the debacle of a win against Western Michigan,
1:43:00
Speaker 3: Oklahoma is you're, you're going, that's a home game. Maybe
1:43:05
Speaker 3: before the season, you're like, we could beat Oklahoma, Oklahoma,
1:43:08
Speaker 3: Penn state, Penn state's new, new coaching staff, just like you. Maybe,
1:43:14
Speaker 3: maybe you feel pretty good about beating Penn state. I
1:43:16
Speaker 3: don't know if that's a home or road game though.
1:43:18
Speaker 3: I don't, it's a home game.
1:43:19
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone should feel good about beating Indiana
1:43:21
Speaker 2: right now.
1:43:22
Speaker 1: You shouldn't feel good about beating Indiana.
1:43:24
Speaker 3: You should not feel good about beating Oregon. That's on
1:43:26
Speaker 3: the road, by the way, the tough game, the tougher
1:43:29
Speaker 3: than expected game against Boise state, not withstanding that's that
1:43:33
Speaker 3: Oregon team's going to be really good.
1:43:34
Speaker 1: And Boise state might end up being really good, right?
1:43:37
Speaker 1: in the new pack 12.
1:43:38
Speaker 3: And then you play Ohio state every year, who this
1:43:41
Speaker 3: year is probably going to be a top five team.
1:43:44
Speaker 1: If not number one in the country at that time.
1:43:45
Speaker 2: By the way, Oregon, UCLA, then Ohio state UCLA by
1:43:50
Speaker 2: then might not suck.
1:43:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:43:51
Speaker 1: It looks like Bob Chesney's got that thing off to
1:43:53
Speaker 1: the right start.
1:43:54
Speaker 3: So look, we didn't even mention Iowa who's ranked right now.
1:43:57
Speaker 3: And they're always a tough game. Let me tell you this, uh, Adam,
1:44:04
Speaker 3: that's who brought this in. I love this question.
1:44:06
Speaker 2: Because if Michigan, and I think it's a shot in
1:44:11
Speaker 2: the dark type if, I think that you could potentially
1:44:17
Speaker 2: see Michigan, if they beat Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Oregon,
1:44:25
Speaker 2: and Ohio State. Oh, no, you lose to Ohio State
1:44:28
Speaker 2: in this one. So you beat Iowa, Penn State, Indiana, Oregon.
1:44:35
Speaker 2: And all of them are ranked at the time. UCLA,
1:44:37
Speaker 2: you would have to be UCLA and UCLA. Who knows
1:44:39
Speaker 2: what they're going to be there? At least be probably respectable.
1:44:42
Speaker 2: If I know anything about what Bob Chesney has been
1:44:44
Speaker 2: able to do, then you lose to Ohio state. No
1:44:47
Speaker 2: one is punished for losing to Ohio state. Losing to
1:44:50
Speaker 2: Ohio state does not hurt you because Ohio state, unless they,
1:44:54
Speaker 2: their wheels fall off at some point is going to
1:44:57
Speaker 2: be ranked in the top five at that point, probably
1:44:59
Speaker 2: ranked number one or maybe number two at that point.
1:45:04
Speaker 1: I think you could potentially make a playoff there.
1:45:08
Speaker 3: The committee's probably going to, as a consensus, probably going
1:45:12
Speaker 3: to count Western Michigan as a loss, though, even though
1:45:15
Speaker 3: it technically isn't. That's how I feel about it right now. Obviously,
1:45:20
Speaker 3: December's a long ways away. It's going to be very interesting.
1:45:25
Speaker 3: I didn't realize they had that kind of a gauntlet
1:45:28
Speaker 3: of a schedule, though. He could get five losses this year.
1:45:33
Speaker 3: went in Michigan and they could be a pretty good
1:45:37
Speaker 3: team and lose five games because of that.
1:45:39
Speaker 1: Here's the people they're playing. That's man. Crazy stuff. Let's
1:45:44
Speaker 1: take a break.
1:45:45
Speaker 2: We'll come back with Ari Temkin for big 12 radio
1:45:48
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1:45:51
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1:46:15
Speaker 2: Football season is back. College football this weekend. Great slate
1:46:21
Speaker 2: coming up. Arizona and BYU, Utah and Arkansas. NFL tonight,
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Speaker 2: NFL tomorrow night. Ari Temkin is going to be all
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Speaker 2: over all of it. Friend of the program, Big 12
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1:46:40
Speaker 1: Ari, welcome back to the show. How are you, sir?
1:46:43
Speaker 4: I'm great, O.C. How are you, brother?
1:46:44
Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome, man. We're in football season again. It's
1:46:48
Speaker 2: a good time of year.
1:46:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, what could be better? It started last Thursday. The
1:46:56
Speaker 4: only day off we had was yesterday. We've got NFL
1:46:59
Speaker 4: football tonight, NFL football tomorrow. Great Kansas-Missouri rivalry game. First
1:47:04
Speaker 4: time in Lawrence for that game in 20 years. Like,
1:47:07
Speaker 4: this is hooking straight into my veins, man. Seriously.
1:47:12
Speaker 2: Who impressed you most in the Big 12 this past weekend?
1:47:16
Speaker 4: Colorado. Best win by far. um you know and and
1:47:21
Speaker 4: look you gotta hand it to julian lewis he was
1:47:24
Speaker 4: not good through three and a half quarters he looked
1:47:27
Speaker 4: you know like the moment was too big and you
1:47:30
Speaker 4: know he said after the game they had no doubt
1:47:32
Speaker 4: that they were going to go and score and glad
1:47:34
Speaker 4: they didn't because i think we all did i mean
1:47:37
Speaker 4: for three and a half quarters you look like you
1:47:38
Speaker 4: were incapable of scoring and then they get the ball
1:47:41
Speaker 4: back down six with 140 left and no timeouts and
1:47:45
Speaker 4: scored like it was easy so I think the big
1:47:49
Speaker 4: development from that game is their defense, their rush defense
1:47:53
Speaker 4: in particular, and their rush offense. These are two things
1:47:56
Speaker 4: that I know you and I talked about heading into
1:47:58
Speaker 4: the season. I expect that Brennan Marion is going to
1:48:00
Speaker 4: make a significant difference in their rush offense. And through
1:48:04
Speaker 4: one week, Michael Welch, who has just not been as
1:48:08
Speaker 4: effective for Colorado, was extremely effective. And their rush defense
1:48:13
Speaker 4: was dominant. Their pass defense was. struggled and it almost
1:48:16
Speaker 4: gave up the game at the end But I think
1:48:19
Speaker 4: Deion's got to like where he's, where he is after
1:48:22
Speaker 4: one week. And look, I was critical of Deion last
1:48:24
Speaker 4: year at times for in-game coaching. I mean, clock management
1:48:27
Speaker 4: in certain situations was dreadful. And, you know, that changed.
1:48:31
Speaker 4: I mean, it was clear the way that he managed
1:48:33
Speaker 4: the end of the game, taking his timeouts, And then
1:48:36
Speaker 4: kind of allowing Colorado to get the ball back with
1:48:40
Speaker 4: one left. I just think in every way that game
1:48:43
Speaker 4: was as masterful as Colorado has not been the last
1:48:45
Speaker 4: couple of years. So they were super impressive. And for
1:48:48
Speaker 4: a team that I said pounds the over four and
1:48:50
Speaker 4: a half, it's a bowl team. They're off to a
1:48:52
Speaker 4: really good start.
1:48:55
Speaker 2: I watched Houston and I was like, okay, I think
1:48:58
Speaker 2: they looked how, how I thought they would look.
1:49:01
Speaker 1: I don't really know how we judge Oregon state as
1:49:04
Speaker 1: of yet.
1:49:06
Speaker 2: Texas Tech had less than a perfect game, which I
1:49:09
Speaker 2: think was encouraging for a.
1:49:11
Speaker 1: Lot of people.
1:49:11
Speaker 2: BYU played a junior college team effectively. The team's at
1:49:16
Speaker 2: the top of our at least perceived power structure in
1:49:19
Speaker 2: this Big 12 conference. Did anyone surprise you? Is there
1:49:23
Speaker 2: anything stronger or shakier than maybe you expected?
1:49:27
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, let's start with Texas Tech. It's really
1:49:30
Speaker 4: interesting because Tech gets Oregon State this week, and earlier
1:49:37
Speaker 4: this week, it's like, do you have to stop your
1:49:39
Speaker 4: Houston and watching the Oregon state Houston film? Because they've
1:49:43
Speaker 4: got Oregon state and Houston and back-to-back weeks.
1:49:45
Speaker 9: So it's gotta be rare.
1:49:46
Speaker 4: That you see kind of a non-conference opponent, take our
1:49:49
Speaker 4: conference opponent and that you're playing those two teams in
1:49:51
Speaker 4: successive weeks. And, you know, look, I'm not gonna, you know,
1:49:55
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna nitpick, but you don't expect Will Hammond
1:49:59
Speaker 4: to look fully back. I mean, he's not even fully
1:50:03
Speaker 4: 11 months removed from tearing his ACL. So you expect
1:50:06
Speaker 4: there to be a little bit of cobwebs that he's
1:50:09
Speaker 4: got to dust off. I also think, you know, the
1:50:12
Speaker 4: big picture for me there was, I don't know that
1:50:15
Speaker 4: that defense looks to be as dominant as we expect. Now, again, it's,
1:50:19
Speaker 4: you know, we're accounting for one team that they played.
1:50:22
Speaker 4: And so maybe I'm just nitpicking too much, but you know,
1:50:25
Speaker 4: this was a dominant defense last year, last year, they
1:50:27
Speaker 4: were a record setting defense. And yeah, from many around
1:50:32
Speaker 4: the program that, hey, this defense could actually be better,
1:50:35
Speaker 4: which is just hard to believe, again, considering it's a
1:50:37
Speaker 4: record-setting defense. I would say one game in, that doesn't
1:50:41
Speaker 4: appear to be the case. And do they need to
1:50:43
Speaker 4: be as dominant on defense? Probably not.
1:50:45
Speaker 9: But if they're not, they're going.
1:50:47
Speaker 4: To need to be better on offense. And so through
1:50:50
Speaker 4: one week, that didn't look like it. But luckily, Big
1:50:53
Speaker 4: 12 championships aren't won in one week, so they still
1:50:56
Speaker 4: have some time to turn it around. I'm not sure
1:50:58
Speaker 4: we can learn much else about anybody else. I do
1:51:00
Speaker 4: think Oregon State is a much better team than the
1:51:03
Speaker 4: team from last year. Their quarterback looked really good. I mean,
1:51:07
Speaker 4: he really had an impressive performance. against Houston's Pasty. So
1:51:13
Speaker 4: I'm very curious to see how Texas Tech's Pasty does
1:51:15
Speaker 4: this week against that same outfit. That would be probably
1:51:18
Speaker 4: my main takeaway from the team to the top of
1:51:20
Speaker 4: the conference. I think, look, Utah did what they were
1:51:22
Speaker 4: supposed to do. I think their rush defense at times
1:51:26
Speaker 4: was a little bit questionable for those two drives that
1:51:29
Speaker 4: Idaho had that led to touchdowns. But I also think
1:51:32
Speaker 4: it's hard to gauge motivation at certain points throughout the game.
1:51:36
Speaker 4: And ultimately, it was fun to watch Utah. Man, I
1:51:41
Speaker 4: can't remember the last time I actually had fun watching
1:51:43
Speaker 4: Utah play offense, and I imagine that's how Utah fans felt, too.
1:51:46
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is kind of watching Kyle
1:51:49
Speaker 4: Whittingham crash and burn before the Big Ten gods handed
1:51:52
Speaker 4: them a victory.
1:51:54
Speaker 2: Well, there's plenty of meat on the bone with that conversation,
1:51:57
Speaker 2: and so we might as well get into it. Even
1:52:00
Speaker 2: without the Utah context on it, this is the biggest
1:52:04
Speaker 2: story in college football from the weekend, and I haven't
1:52:08
Speaker 2: heard you're fully fleshed out thoughts on it.
1:52:11
Speaker 1: What should have happened at the end of that game?
1:52:14
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, let's, let's put the shoe on the
1:52:16
Speaker 4: other foot. If Western Michigan, you know, down where they were,
1:52:20
Speaker 4: you know, what Michigan was down to that same circumstance,
1:52:23
Speaker 4: are they putting a second pack on the clock?
1:52:26
Speaker 1: No.
1:52:28
Speaker 4: Hard to think they would. Now, you know, we, we
1:52:31
Speaker 4: had the Scott Draper on who's kind of the head
1:52:35
Speaker 4: of football and it's his job to, you know, know
1:52:37
Speaker 4: the rules and, uh... oversee that we have to about this.
1:52:40
Speaker 9: And you know he brought the fact that there's no tenth.
1:52:43
Speaker 4: Of a second in football but there is a time
1:52:45
Speaker 4: that exists between one second and zero seconds and so
1:52:49
Speaker 4: essentially that's what they're saying is that time between one
1:52:51
Speaker 4: second zero second exactly where they were which would be
1:52:54
Speaker 4: ten for the second which football means you get a
1:52:56
Speaker 4: playoff it back all means you probably can't catch and
1:52:58
Speaker 4: shoot you've got to put it but there are no
1:53:01
Speaker 4: there are ten for the second and i don't feel
1:53:02
Speaker 4: that we're just making up rules in order to make
1:53:05
Speaker 4: it feel like they she won that game fair and
1:53:07
Speaker 4: square And the reality is they didn't Western Michigan had
1:53:10
Speaker 4: that game stolen from them. And I think the NCAA
1:53:13
Speaker 4: and the Mac completely agree there, but statements they've just released,
1:53:17
Speaker 4: you know, the reality is. Michigan won this game because
1:53:21
Speaker 4: the Big Ten absolutely needed Michigan to win this game.
1:53:23
Speaker 4: Look at Michigan's schedule. They're toast. Rice Underwood was not good.
1:53:28
Speaker 4: And we know the type of offense that Cal Whittingham
1:53:30
Speaker 4: likes to run. It's going to be very blah. They're
1:53:32
Speaker 4: going to play defense. They're going to run the football.
1:53:36
Speaker 4: They want their quarterback to make a few throws, but
1:53:38
Speaker 4: it's not going to be the most aggressive outside the
1:53:41
Speaker 4: box thinking on offense. I don't know if that's going
1:53:43
Speaker 4: to work. And, you know, even if they win this game,
1:53:47
Speaker 4: the Michigan outlook to me does not look very good.
1:53:49
Speaker 4: They've got to play Indiana. They've got to play Ohio State.
1:53:51
Speaker 4: They've got to play Oregon. I mean, they're playing the
1:53:53
Speaker 4: three best teams in the Big Ten. I think this
1:53:55
Speaker 4: team looks certainly after one week like one of the
1:53:57
Speaker 4: worst teams in the Big Ten given, you know, they barely.
1:54:03
Speaker 4: Battle, but ultimately I'm going to pay attention to what
1:54:06
Speaker 4: they're doing the rest of the season to see if
1:54:07
Speaker 4: they win the war in terms of being a 500
1:54:10
Speaker 4: or better team, because after one week, it doesn't look
1:54:12
Speaker 4: like it. And, you know, they're certainly getting the benefit
1:54:14
Speaker 4: of the doubt here based on, you know, some very,
1:54:16
Speaker 4: very fishy officiating here. That was extremely big 10 friendly.
1:54:20
Speaker 4: I mean, the game was over. Everybody knew it. Everybody
1:54:23
Speaker 4: saw it. And yet they put a second back on
1:54:25
Speaker 4: the clock. Now look the other day, why are you
1:54:28
Speaker 4: rushing five? Why can't you defend to Hail Mary? These
1:54:31
Speaker 4: are all things we always ask. You've got to take
1:54:33
Speaker 4: the game out of the officials' hands. But in this case,
1:54:35
Speaker 4: it was an egregious second they put back on the clock.
1:54:41
Speaker 2: Okay, so the correct way for me to look at
1:54:46
Speaker 2: that whole situation is what does this mean for Utah football?
1:54:50
Speaker 1: What does it mean.
1:54:51
Speaker 2: That it was such a disastrous start for Kyle Whittingham? And,
1:54:55
Speaker 2: you know, the opponent was significantly different, but it was
1:54:58
Speaker 2: a good start. For Morgan Scali, you know, is Jason
1:55:01
Speaker 2: Beck was a much sought after offensive coordinator and hit
1:55:06
Speaker 2: the offense look terrible. The offensive line looked terrible. And
1:55:09
Speaker 2: Jim Harding was one of the most sought after offensive
1:55:12
Speaker 2: line coaches. Is it just what what Kyle Whittingham does,
1:55:16
Speaker 2: what they do doesn't work at Michigan isn't going to
1:55:19
Speaker 2: work at Michigan or was this a fluke?
1:55:23
Speaker 4: Look, I don't think it was a fluke. I do
1:55:27
Speaker 4: think what Kyle Whittingham does should work at Michigan, right?
1:55:30
Speaker 4: I mean, when you've got the horses, then you should
1:55:34
Speaker 4: be able to have a really effective defense. You should
1:55:37
Speaker 4: be able to run the ball effectively, right? I mean,
1:55:40
Speaker 4: it's the same exact model that Utah has followed, have
1:55:45
Speaker 4: a really big offensive line, have a really big and
1:55:47
Speaker 4: aggressive defensive front. One of the things we talked about
1:55:50
Speaker 4: with Morgan Scali at Media Days is, You know, what
1:55:53
Speaker 4: is it about the scouting and development at Utah that
1:55:56
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to have made a huge difference? from
1:55:58
Speaker 4: a personnel standpoint, they always seem to turn out quality
1:56:01
Speaker 4: defensive linemen. And Scali's like, yeah, there's certain traits we're
1:56:04
Speaker 4: looking for. There's certain things we develop. That's a Fred
1:56:07
Speaker 4: Whittingham thing that goes back even before Kyle.
1:56:10
Speaker 9: And so.
1:56:12
Speaker 4: It should work at Michigan, right? Michigan is going to
1:56:14
Speaker 4: get blue-chip prospects. They're going to get NFL prospects, especially
1:56:18
Speaker 4: on the offensive and defensive lines. And that was always,
1:56:22
Speaker 4: in my opinion, what made the SEC head and shoulders
1:56:26
Speaker 4: above everybody else. They would just hoard NFL talent along
1:56:29
Speaker 4: offensive and defensive lines and Alabama would line up and
1:56:32
Speaker 4: they'd run it down your throat and you couldn't do
1:56:34
Speaker 4: anything to stop it. And you couldn't do anything on
1:56:37
Speaker 4: offense to combat the strength that they had with a
1:56:39
Speaker 4: bunch of NFL players along their defensive line. And Michigan
1:56:41
Speaker 4: should be the same. So I think like the idea
1:56:44
Speaker 4: here of like playing them straight up, you should be
1:56:46
Speaker 4: able to be successful is actually the case, but you know,
1:56:49
Speaker 4: without following the, Michigan and they're recruiting that closely. I'm
1:56:54
Speaker 4: not sure if they were sort of caught this first
1:56:56
Speaker 4: year with a half-baked class in terms of having the
1:57:00
Speaker 4: right people and right guys up front. It is one week,
1:57:04
Speaker 4: but man, it feels like it's said a lot, much
1:57:06
Speaker 4: in the same way that one week for Oklahoma State
1:57:08
Speaker 4: seems to have said a lot. you know, you know,
1:57:11
Speaker 4: this OC, like in football, it's never as bad as
1:57:14
Speaker 4: it seems. And it's never as good as it seems.
1:57:16
Speaker 4: And you always want to reserve judgment week to week.
1:57:20
Speaker 4: For me, I always judge seasons in quarters because if
1:57:23
Speaker 4: something happens in one game, it's an anomaly. If something
1:57:26
Speaker 4: happens over three or four games, it becomes a pattern
1:57:28
Speaker 4: three in college football and four in the NFL.
1:57:31
Speaker 9: And so, you know, I always reserve judgment for three weeks,
1:57:33
Speaker 9: but it's.
1:57:34
Speaker 4: Hard not to look at that as a resounding message that,
1:57:37
Speaker 4: this is not a good fit at least year one here.
1:57:40
Speaker 4: And I feel like Kyle Whittingham looked extremely relieved that
1:57:44
Speaker 4: they were able to win the game because you could
1:57:46
Speaker 4: tell like how tense those moments were in the fourth quarter.
1:57:49
Speaker 9: Where he could just sense that this thing was not
1:57:51
Speaker 9: going to.
1:57:51
Speaker 4: Go his way. In some ways, I almost felt bad
1:57:53
Speaker 4: for him, which is weird because I'm obviously on the
1:57:56
Speaker 4: Utah side of things and how poorly Whittingham handled it,
1:57:59
Speaker 4: how well Scali handled it. But it really was, I
1:58:03
Speaker 4: almost felt bad for him.
1:58:05
Speaker 2: There there was, I think a decent amount of questioning
1:58:09
Speaker 2: about whether or not Bryce Underwood and Kyle Whittingham and
1:58:15
Speaker 2: maybe Jason Beck by extension, like how well that whole
1:58:18
Speaker 2: thing jives.
1:58:19
Speaker 1: Right.
1:58:20
Speaker 2: And I think that's a valuable question in modern football
1:58:23
Speaker 2: because Kyle Whittingham has adapted to the new era, but
1:58:28
Speaker 2: I don't think he's truly embraced the, the new era,
1:58:30
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, if I'm saying that the right way.
1:58:32
Speaker 2: And Bryce Underwood is absolutely a product of that new
1:58:35
Speaker 2: era where your boosters have as much to do with
1:58:38
Speaker 2: who your starting quarterback is going to be as your
1:58:41
Speaker 2: coaching staff does. And with the big ticket NIL deal
1:58:45
Speaker 2: that is attached to Bryce Underwood's name, a couple of
1:58:49
Speaker 2: questions were brought up about like, well, if you want
1:58:51
Speaker 2: to bench this guy.
1:58:52
Speaker 1: How easy is that to do?
1:58:55
Speaker 2: Or do you have to make a phone call to
1:58:57
Speaker 2: Dave Portnoy? And do you have to make a phone
1:58:59
Speaker 2: call to whoever else threw some money in there and say,
1:59:03
Speaker 2: all right, it's not working out. So we have to
1:59:06
Speaker 2: do this. And that's not just a Michigan question. I
1:59:09
Speaker 2: think that's a question everywhere. I've asked coaches point blank.
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Do you have to factor in salary now when you
1:59:16
Speaker 2: want to bench a guy or play a guy or
1:59:18
Speaker 2: anything else?
1:59:19
Speaker 1: How does that play into this Michigan deal?
1:59:22
Speaker 4: No, I think it very much does. It's interesting, too,
1:59:25
Speaker 4: because I covered the University of Texas in Austin for
1:59:30
Speaker 4: a good period of time, and this was back in
1:59:33
Speaker 4: the early 2010s when this was probably not the case,
1:59:38
Speaker 4: like what you're asking. I don't know every other school
1:59:42
Speaker 4: in the country, with the exception of a few, including Texas.
1:59:45
Speaker 4: Part of the job for Mack Brown wasn't just to
1:59:48
Speaker 4: coach football was to be a CEO coach, which is
1:59:51
Speaker 4: now what every coach is expected to be. And, and
1:59:54
Speaker 4: at Texas at that point in time, it was, you've
1:59:56
Speaker 4: got to shake hands and kiss babies. There are a
1:59:58
Speaker 4: lot of boosters and like they, they need a lot
2:00:01
Speaker 4: of attention and Mac did it to a tee. It
2:00:04
Speaker 4: was probably his best skill set at Texas, quite frankly,
2:00:07
Speaker 4: in that he knew that like all of these boosters,
2:00:11
Speaker 4: not only just their names, but their wives' names, their
2:00:13
Speaker 4: kids' names, their grandkids' names. Like he went so deep
2:00:17
Speaker 4: with each of them and that.
2:00:18
Speaker 9: Played a crucial role in his success.
2:00:21
Speaker 4: It was something that in seeing and observing Tom Herman,
2:00:24
Speaker 4: he was quite frankly the exact opposite. And so I
2:00:26
Speaker 4: think like that's just one example at the University of Texas,
2:00:29
Speaker 4: but I think that this is the norm now. You
2:00:32
Speaker 4: do have to placate to certain people. And Kyle Whittingham
2:00:36
Speaker 4: doesn't strike me as the type where it's like, if
2:00:38
Speaker 4: I want to bench Bryce Underwood, I'm not calling Dave Portnoy.
2:00:40
Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that you have to call Dave,
2:00:42
Speaker 4: and we're using Dave Portnoy as the example here, but
2:00:44
Speaker 4: let's insert any Michigan booster, any Michigan millionaire, or in
2:00:48
Speaker 4: this case, many billionaires, which I'm not sure Portnoy is,
2:00:51
Speaker 4: but there are many billionaires that went to Michigan that
2:00:53
Speaker 4: are funding that football and basketball programs. You know, Kyle
2:00:56
Speaker 4: Strix is the type of guy that may call and
2:00:58
Speaker 4: may ask for advice or input, but he's not necessarily
2:01:01
Speaker 4: going to actually do that. He's going to do what
2:01:03
Speaker 4: he wants, but he's going to placate to them. And
2:01:06
Speaker 4: I think every coach needs to figure out what exactly
2:01:09
Speaker 4: that line is, because at the end of the day,
2:01:12
Speaker 4: all those guys want is to win. Yeah, sure, they
2:01:14
Speaker 4: want their input, but... Ultimately, if they don't win and
2:01:18
Speaker 4: then they feel like their input's not being heard, that's
2:01:21
Speaker 4: an absolute disaster for that coach, which is exactly what
2:01:23
Speaker 4: happened to Tom Herman. And again, I think this is
2:01:25
Speaker 4: happening everywhere across the country. Every coach has to decide,
2:01:29
Speaker 4: who do I have to listen to and at least...
2:01:31
Speaker 4: gauge advice on, and then what.
2:01:35
Speaker 9: Do I do with that information?
2:01:36
Speaker 4: They're not football coaches. And though many of them are
2:01:39
Speaker 4: billionaires and have made quality decisions in their businesses to
2:01:43
Speaker 4: make them billionaires, that does not qualify them to be
2:01:45
Speaker 4: football coaches. If anything, it's probably quite the opposite. They've
2:01:48
Speaker 4: got huge egos without much of the substance to follow
2:01:50
Speaker 4: it up. Just look at Cody Campbell. So for me,
2:01:54
Speaker 4: if there's a balancing act there where you sort of
2:01:58
Speaker 4: need to at least placate them to a degree, because
2:02:00
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, like if you don't
2:02:02
Speaker 4: win and they don't like you, that is not going
2:02:05
Speaker 4: to buy you much time. I think Mack Brown bought
2:02:08
Speaker 4: himself a lot more time at Texas because of those relationships.
2:02:10
Speaker 4: Tom Roman was the exact opposite. Again, it's more of
2:02:12
Speaker 4: a metaphor than the specific example we're looking at here.
2:02:16
Speaker 4: But like, if you play the game.
2:02:18
Speaker 9: Then ultimately that will buy you more time. But I mean,
2:02:21
Speaker 9: but again, it's, it's a, it is a unrelenting business.
2:02:25
Speaker 4: You got to win football games. And if you don't,
2:02:27
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what you're going to be out.
2:02:29
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting to, to even think of things through
2:02:33
Speaker 2: this lens right now, because we're seeing the way that like,
2:02:37
Speaker 2: and it's, it's framed, it's characterized as broken promises or
2:02:41
Speaker 2: unkept promises, right? At BYU with the whole, like Brian Santiago,
2:02:46
Speaker 2: Kalani Satake disagreement and, and the situation going on there.
2:02:50
Speaker 2: And I think they seem to be handling it as
2:02:52
Speaker 2: well as you probably can at this juncture of a season,
2:02:55
Speaker 2: but that's a money thing, right? Because when you were
2:02:58
Speaker 2: talking about unfulfilled promises, we're not talking about, well, he
2:03:02
Speaker 2: said that, you know, I could, I could invite my
2:03:06
Speaker 2: best friend to the game. We're talking about money that
2:03:10
Speaker 2: is being funneled where it was supposed to or not. And,
2:03:15
Speaker 2: and now it's, I think bleeding over more than ever.
2:03:18
Speaker 2: into college football, actual decision-making, which is, it begs the question, right?
2:03:23
Speaker 2: You've got a couple of quarterbacks on Utah's roster. Devin
2:03:28
Speaker 2: Dampier and Bird Ficklin both showed really nice things, right?
2:03:32
Speaker 2: And I think that we're going to see that every
2:03:35
Speaker 2: single game, as long as both of those guys are healthy.
2:03:38
Speaker 2: At some point, you'd like to keep both. at some
2:03:42
Speaker 2: point they're getting phone calls from Michigan.
2:03:44
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you do when we get
2:03:46
Speaker 1: to the end of this season, if that is the case.
2:03:48
Speaker 4: Speaker 4 0 5 0 1. Yeah, you're totally right.
2:03:51
Speaker 4: And look, I think the reality that we've learned is
2:03:54
Speaker 4: you know, every person is different certainly money is a
2:04:02
Speaker 4: motivating factor, but I think if you've got a good
2:04:05
Speaker 4: head on your shoulders, even at 18, 19, 20, and
2:04:08
Speaker 4: you get good advice from people that genuinely have your
2:04:10
Speaker 4: best interest at heart, which is far easier said than done,
2:04:14
Speaker 4: you know, ultimately, you know, there's such a small amount
2:04:18
Speaker 4: of these guys that actually make it to the pros
2:04:20
Speaker 4: and get that pro money. But that money is so
2:04:22
Speaker 4: much more substantial than anything that could ever get in college.
2:04:26
Speaker 4: The problem is a lot of these guys are getting
2:04:27
Speaker 4: really bad advice and they're being told, hey, you should
2:04:29
Speaker 4: be starting. You should be doing this. You should be
2:04:31
Speaker 4: doing that. As long as they're getting good advice and
2:04:34
Speaker 4: they like the coaching, which appears to be the case
2:04:37
Speaker 4: with Dampier and Ficklin, then I think all bets are off.
2:04:41
Speaker 9: The BYU example is really interesting to me because this
2:04:44
Speaker 9: one seems so easy.
2:04:45
Speaker 4: It's such a good example. I think you get five
2:04:50
Speaker 4: reasonable people in a room and you tell them the situation.
2:04:53
Speaker 4: I don't know that anybody would take Brian Santiago side
2:04:56
Speaker 4: with all due respect to Brian Santiago, but like you're
2:04:59
Speaker 4: telling me that on a dollars to dollars comparison, BYU
2:05:03
Speaker 4: is spending far more money on basketball. In comparison to.
2:05:07
Speaker 9: Football, again, dollars to dollars, right?
2:05:09
Speaker 4: So it's the, you know, for every dollar that football
2:05:13
Speaker 4: is spending, basketball is spending this. At most schools, it's
2:05:16
Speaker 4: like for every $ 7 being spent on football, it's a
2:05:20
Speaker 4: dollar in basketball.
2:05:21
Speaker 9: At BYU, it's closer to free. That is unbelievable, especially
2:05:26
Speaker 9: when you.
2:05:26
Speaker 4: Factor in the output. I mean, Kevin Young is a
2:05:30
Speaker 4: friend of the program. He's a great guy. I think
2:05:32
Speaker 4: he's a hell of a basketball coach. But you can't
2:05:34
Speaker 4: look at me and tell me that that team and
2:05:36
Speaker 4: program has not drastically underperformed relative to expectations. They haven't
2:05:40
Speaker 4: done anything in the NCAA tournament and had a lot
2:05:43
Speaker 4: of NBA talent.
2:05:44
Speaker 9: On the other side, Kalani Sataki, without.
2:05:47
Speaker 4: The resources that he should have, is making chicken salad,
2:05:51
Speaker 4: like big-time chicken salad. And for a guy that is
2:05:55
Speaker 4: not going to– For a guy that's roots are in
2:05:59
Speaker 4: offensive line play, he's not going to be Dion.
2:06:02
Speaker 9: He's not going to be screaming for.
2:06:03
Speaker 4: The mountaintops, wanting that money. He is handling it as
2:06:07
Speaker 4: only Kalani Sataki can. I can't even imagine and begin
2:06:10
Speaker 4: to imagine the frustrations he must have, not.
2:06:12
Speaker 9: Only in terms of resource allocation, but now.
2:06:15
Speaker 4: The fact that you were actually told that you were
2:06:17
Speaker 4: going to get this and you're not getting it. I
2:06:18
Speaker 4: would be ticked off if I were Kalani, and I
2:06:20
Speaker 4: noticed the resource allocation was out of whack without even
2:06:23
Speaker 4: getting the promise. No, I got the promise. I'm still
2:06:26
Speaker 4: getting that out of whack. Oh, and by the way,
2:06:27
Speaker 4: football drives the bus. Football is the major revenue driver
2:06:32
Speaker 4: at every school. And I say this as an alum
2:06:35
Speaker 4: at the University of Kansas. This is egregious what's happening
2:06:39
Speaker 4: at BYU. So, you know, yeah, I think. every situation
2:06:44
Speaker 4: is different. I think when you look at the motivations
2:06:46
Speaker 4: of kids, those are different. You try to recruit the
2:06:49
Speaker 4: right kinds of kids, but you never know until you
2:06:51
Speaker 4: get them on campus, what they're like. And ultimately you're
2:06:53
Speaker 4: going to lose some of those guys. You're you want
2:06:56
Speaker 4: to maintain most of them, but you're going to lose
2:06:58
Speaker 4: some of them. And, you know, you just, it's like
2:07:01
Speaker 4: this in radio, man. And it's the truth.
2:07:03
Speaker 9: You just, I always tell people this.
2:07:06
Speaker 4: It's like, you can't make all the people happy all
2:07:08
Speaker 4: the time, but you can make some of the people
2:07:12
Speaker 4: happy some of the time. And in radio, what it
2:07:14
Speaker 4: means is like, if I, if you.
2:07:16
Speaker 9: Asked your entire audience, what do you want to listen?
2:07:17
Speaker 4: What do you want to hear about? What do you
2:07:18
Speaker 4: want to hear about? Every person, most people are gonna
2:07:20
Speaker 4: have different opinions. Ultimately you talk to a hundred of
2:07:22
Speaker 4: them and there's going to be a prevailing opinion there.
2:07:25
Speaker 4: Most of them are going to want to talk about
2:07:26
Speaker 4: Utah football. But if I asked every person, I'd get
2:07:28
Speaker 4: a bunch of different answers. And so I'm not going to,
2:07:30
Speaker 4: I'm not going to make everybody happy. but I can
2:07:33
Speaker 4: make some people happy some of the time. And that's, again,
2:07:36
Speaker 4: I think very translatable in life.
2:07:38
Speaker 9: In many fields, especially in this, you can make some.
2:07:41
Speaker 4: People happy some of the time, but you can't make
2:07:44
Speaker 4: all of the people happy all of the time.
2:07:45
Speaker 9: And that's, that's really what it is.
2:07:49
Speaker 4: All right.
2:07:49
Speaker 2: Temkin for a couple more minutes here on the Sean
2:07:51
Speaker 2: O'Connell show. So what does BYU versus Arizona look like?
2:07:56
Speaker 2: This is the first kind of like premier big 12
2:07:59
Speaker 2: versus big 12 matchup we get for the season. It
2:08:02
Speaker 2: happens in week two, Brent Brennan and his team have,
2:08:06
Speaker 2: I think something to say about the conference championship before
2:08:10
Speaker 2: it's all said and done.
2:08:12
Speaker 1: Do they make a splash in week two?
2:08:18
Speaker 4: I love that this game is week two here, and
2:08:22
Speaker 4: then we have Texas Tech-Houston week three, because I would say,
2:08:27
Speaker 4: are these two teams that I expect to be playing
2:08:29
Speaker 4: in Arlington? No, but these are certainly two of the
2:08:32
Speaker 4: five best teams in the conference preseason-wise, so we're going
2:08:36
Speaker 4: to get a pretty good gauge for both of these squads. Obviously,
2:08:39
Speaker 4: Texas Tech and Houston as well next week. I think
2:08:44
Speaker 4: when it comes to BYU and Arizona, it's so interesting
2:08:46
Speaker 4: because BYU's biggest question this year is their passing attack.
2:08:51
Speaker 4: They were not a consistent downfield passing threat last year
2:08:54
Speaker 4: because they had a true freshman. There were limitations, especially
2:08:56
Speaker 4: early on in the year. Ultimately, you know, I, the
2:09:04
Speaker 4: question this year is, okay, do they have, are they
2:09:07
Speaker 4: going to have any more.
2:09:08
Speaker 9: Consistent downfield pass attack?
2:09:09
Speaker 4: And, and though I think legend Glasgow looked unbelievable week one,
2:09:12
Speaker 4: I mean, to be seen with Casper and everything else
2:09:15
Speaker 4: they've added with their tight ends, if they're going to
2:09:17
Speaker 4: have that.
2:09:17
Speaker 9: And then for Arizona, this was.
2:09:19
Speaker 4: One of the best secondaries in college football last year.
2:09:22
Speaker 9: And, you know, two of.
2:09:23
Speaker 4: Those guys at safety are going to be playing in
2:09:25
Speaker 4: the NFL on, on Sunday. Um, and one of their
2:09:29
Speaker 4: replacements at safety is actually a walk-on who had an
2:09:33
Speaker 4: interception and was not even close to the radar before
2:09:36
Speaker 4: the season started, you know, before fall camp started. So
2:09:40
Speaker 4: for me, like the battle here comes down to the
2:09:43
Speaker 4: biggest weakness for BYU also is a big weakness, AKA
2:09:47
Speaker 4: question mark for Arizona. It's that pass offense against that,
2:09:51
Speaker 4: you know, past defense, which was so good last year,
2:09:53
Speaker 4: but lost four guys to the NFL draft and five
2:09:56
Speaker 4: guys overall. So I, that's the most interesting, you know,
2:10:00
Speaker 4: game within the game here. I do expect BYU to
2:10:03
Speaker 4: win this game because I do think that they're the
2:10:06
Speaker 4: better team, but, you know, we didn't see Isaiah Glass
2:10:08
Speaker 4: for week one. I expect that we'll see him week two. We,
2:10:11
Speaker 4: you know, Raider to Mooney now is going to be
2:10:13
Speaker 4: out now for, the foreseeable future. I had questions about.
2:10:16
Speaker 9: Their secondary heading into the season because they.
2:10:18
Speaker 4: Lost Jay Hill and you know, it was so good.
2:10:21
Speaker 4: So will it maintain that level, especially without the Mooney? I,
2:10:24
Speaker 4: that to me is so interesting about this week, but
2:10:26
Speaker 4: I do think and see a BYU winning.
2:10:28
Speaker 2: It's going to be a fascinating weekend all over college football,
2:10:34
Speaker 2: Utah versus Arkansas, obviously right here in Salt Lake city,
2:10:38
Speaker 2: Arkansas is not exactly the best the sec has to offer,
2:10:42
Speaker 2: which makes the game, I think that much more important
2:10:45
Speaker 2: for Utah. You have to look good against this Arkansas team.
2:10:49
Speaker 2: How do you see the Utah-Arkansas.
2:10:51
Speaker 1: Game playing out, Ari?
2:10:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, this is such an important
2:10:55
Speaker 4: game for the Big 12. Big 12 won 0-4 against
2:10:57
Speaker 4: the SEC last year. And, you know, 0-1 so far
2:11:01
Speaker 4: with Baylor losing basically a coin flip, you know, to Auburn.
2:11:05
Speaker 4: And then there's the Arkansas-Utah game, Kansas, Missouri, and Texas
2:11:09
Speaker 4: A & M or Arizona State. Find me a win there.
2:11:11
Speaker 9: Let's see.
2:11:13
Speaker 4: It's Utah, Arkansas. That's the one. So the Big 12,
2:11:17
Speaker 4: and this is the last opportunity for the Big 12
2:11:19
Speaker 4: SEC this season. So the Big 12 needs a win here,
2:11:22
Speaker 4: maybe two. One would be nice, though. And certainly the
2:11:26
Speaker 4: one that jumps out would be the one between.
2:11:29
Speaker 9: Utah and Arkansas.
2:11:30
Speaker 4: Look, Quincy Rhodes. is an absolute stud. He had eight
2:11:33
Speaker 4: sacks and 15 and a half tackles for loss last
2:11:35
Speaker 4: year for Arkansas. So he's an all-SEC guy, and they've
2:11:40
Speaker 4: got a lot of new starters along their defense, but
2:11:42
Speaker 4: that guy is not new. And so I think that's
2:11:45
Speaker 4: the one they've got to account for because we don't
2:11:47
Speaker 4: really have a gauge yet of what that Utah offensive
2:11:49
Speaker 4: line looks like. And with that being said, I think
2:11:52
Speaker 4: we put far too much stock into, Hey, they lost
2:11:54
Speaker 4: two guys to the NFL along the offensive line and
2:11:57
Speaker 4: not as much stock as we probably should have put into, Hey,
2:12:00
Speaker 4: look at this innovative offense. That's actually fun to watch.
2:12:03
Speaker 4: I mean, we saw bird fickle line up in the backfield.
2:12:05
Speaker 4: We saw him lined out wide. We saw that tight
2:12:07
Speaker 4: end line up in the backfield. What a fun, what
2:12:10
Speaker 4: a fun team to watch. So like we really aren't
2:12:13
Speaker 4: used to say with Utah football and offense. So sometimes
2:12:16
Speaker 4: that's the great equalizer, right? Like, if you want to
2:12:18
Speaker 4: play straight up and run downhill and play good defense,
2:12:21
Speaker 4: like you better have a really good offensive line. But
2:12:23
Speaker 4: if you, if you do some window dressing, some preset movement,
2:12:27
Speaker 4: you are multiple and you know, your personnel packages. If
2:12:31
Speaker 4: you know, if you run out of spread sets, run
2:12:33
Speaker 4: out of 11 personnel and throw on a 13 personnel, right?
2:12:36
Speaker 4: Like these are things that I think really innovative offenses.
2:12:39
Speaker 9: Are starting to do that.
2:12:40
Speaker 4: We haven't seen as much from Utah. I'd love to
2:12:43
Speaker 4: see more of that. And I think that again is
2:12:45
Speaker 4: kind of the great equalizer of, of, Hey, maybe our
2:12:47
Speaker 4: offensive line is not as good as it was, by
2:12:48
Speaker 4: the way, that's a high expectation considering we're talking about
2:12:51
Speaker 4: two first round picks. Most teams don't have one along
2:12:53
Speaker 4: the offensive line, let alone two on the same line.
2:12:56
Speaker 4: So those are big shoes to fill. And though we
2:12:59
Speaker 4: know we're, we're maybe not as good there. Now we
2:13:02
Speaker 4: can do some things that, that allow for our play
2:13:04
Speaker 4: calling to really compliment the fact that, you know, we're
2:13:07
Speaker 4: not going to play you as quote unquote straight up.
2:13:09
Speaker 4: And look, the best offenses in football are doing that.
2:13:12
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at, at Ben Johnson with the
2:13:14
Speaker 4: Chicago bears, you look at, Some of the most innovative
2:13:17
Speaker 4: offensive minds, Sean McVay, it's the same stuff, right? It's
2:13:20
Speaker 4: throwing out a 13 personnel. It's running out of 11
2:13:22
Speaker 4: or 10 personnel. It's just, it's the pre-snap stuff. It's
2:13:27
Speaker 4: all that window dressing that draws the defense's eyes and
2:13:31
Speaker 4: forces them to have to adjust and think. And I
2:13:33
Speaker 4: think that's what we're going to see way more of
2:13:34
Speaker 4: Utah with. So I'm really excited to see this game.
2:13:37
Speaker 4: It is, again, a game that is of huge importance
2:13:39
Speaker 4: to the Big 12. And it's a game the Big
2:13:42
Speaker 4: 12 really needs.
2:13:44
Speaker 2: This one is apropos of almost nothing, but I think
2:13:47
Speaker 2: people here in Salt Lake have always paid close attention
2:13:50
Speaker 2: to Boise State because of their rivalries with Utah State,
2:13:53
Speaker 2: with BYU, and just the similarity in status that Boise
2:13:59
Speaker 2: State came from the same spot that Utah and BYU
2:14:02
Speaker 2: have been able to graduate out of. They tested Oregon
2:14:05
Speaker 2: pretty firmly. Is that more a commentary on Boise State
2:14:09
Speaker 2: or on Oregon?
2:14:12
Speaker 4: Take a little bit of both, you know, I mean,
2:14:14
Speaker 4: Evan Stewart must have punt and, you know, and then
2:14:18
Speaker 4: a play later, Boise state cashes in, you know, there
2:14:21
Speaker 4: was some really a lot of penalties for Oregon. It
2:14:24
Speaker 4: was just a very sloppy game and Oregon did itself
2:14:28
Speaker 4: no favors in that game. Now you can make the
2:14:30
Speaker 4: same case for Oklahoma state and Oklahoma state at nearly
2:14:33
Speaker 4: 400 yards of total offense. They had, I mean, they
2:14:36
Speaker 4: basically beat Tulsa in every offensive category. The problem was
2:14:38
Speaker 4: they had far too many turnovers. They were really bad
2:14:41
Speaker 4: on short yardage, especially third and one or fourth and one.
2:14:45
Speaker 4: And like they, they were shut out multiple times on
2:14:48
Speaker 4: fourth down.
2:14:49
Speaker 9: I mean, it just could not get.
2:14:50
Speaker 4: Out of their own way.
2:14:51
Speaker 9: So, I mean, I think both games, But probably more Oregon.
2:14:56
Speaker 4: I just chalk it up to week one stuff against
2:14:59
Speaker 4: a pretty good group of 16 that will very much
2:15:04
Speaker 4: be in the playoff race. So I.
2:15:09
Speaker 9: Hope that Oklahoma State looks a little bit better. Again, the.
2:15:14
Speaker 4: Short yardage stuff was just wild to me because I
2:15:17
Speaker 4: wonder if Eric Morris kind of felt like, I could
2:15:20
Speaker 4: do the same play calling that I'm used to doing
2:15:22
Speaker 4: with a brand new team.
2:15:23
Speaker 9: I mean, there's 91 new players.
2:15:26
Speaker 4: I don't think, like, we have a sense of, like, yeah,
2:15:28
Speaker 4: you can make that work immediately, but, like, are you
2:15:30
Speaker 4: kidding me? That's 91 new guys. Like, that has to
2:15:32
Speaker 4: take time. But we just live in a world right
2:15:34
Speaker 4: now where you expect that it will immediately take. And
2:15:38
Speaker 4: even though a lot of those guys, a handful of
2:15:39
Speaker 4: them are from North Texas, like, that's still a brand
2:15:41
Speaker 4: new team. Even if you brought your entire new team
2:15:43
Speaker 4: with you, that's still a new team and a new season. So,
2:15:45
Speaker 4: you know, I hope Oklahoma State shows up a little
2:15:50
Speaker 4: bit better than it did last week in Tulsa. But
2:15:54
Speaker 4: I mean, that is just going to be an absolute,
2:15:56
Speaker 4: it's going to be a tough one because Oregon is
2:15:58
Speaker 4: going to be mad coming off the way that they played. And,
2:16:01
Speaker 4: you know, again, I think they did some things in
2:16:03
Speaker 4: that game that kind of allowed Boise state to stay
2:16:05
Speaker 4: in it.
2:16:07
Speaker 2: I could pick your brain all day, but we got
2:16:09
Speaker 2: to try to get to a break. I suppose, even
2:16:11
Speaker 2: though it's way over time, are you the man appreciate
2:16:14
Speaker 2: you as always enjoy this weekend.
2:16:15
Speaker 1: We'll chat again next week.
2:16:16
Speaker 4: Okay. Take care, OC. See you, brother.
2:16:19
Speaker 1: Be well.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Versus... What's his name again? Ben Shelton.
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Speaker 2: I almost called him Ben Watson, Alcaraz versus Ben Shelton.
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Speaker 2: What time did the match go final in New York
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Speaker 2: city last night?
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Speaker 3: It was the latest ever. You give it to us
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Speaker 3: in mountain time. You don't get the prize.
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Speaker 5: Okay.
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Speaker 1: It needs to be Eastern time.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: Cause it's, it's later.
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Speaker 2: So, or should I say we will accept a mountain
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Speaker 2: time answer because we are the best time zone.
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Speaker 1: I guess you'll find out. What, what answers I, we already, we,
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Speaker 1: we already got a correct answer. So perfect.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Crazy.
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Speaker 2: It was three 33 AM for anyone out there keeping
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Speaker 2: score one 33 here.
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Speaker 1: Which is still late.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like even if it had been one 30 in New York,
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Speaker 2: that's not three 30. Like for me, Competing or like
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Speaker 2: doing anything energetic, not even necessarily competing.
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Speaker 1: You could do that into the 2 a.m.
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Speaker 9: Hour.
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Speaker 2: Once you're into like past that, it's ridiculous. Some people
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Speaker 2: stay up until 2 a.m. You can't stay up past 3.
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Speaker 2: That's the witching hour, baby. You get from that 3
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Speaker 2: to 5 a.m., everyone should be asleep. It should be
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Speaker 2: a moratorium on everything from 3 to 5 a.m. Everyone
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Speaker 2: should be sleeping. You're not supposed to be trying to
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Speaker 2: finish a tennis match at 3. 3 33 AM. No
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Speaker 2: 150 mile. And that was 148, 148 mile an hour
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Speaker 2: serve to secure the final point for Shelton.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. At 3 33 AM.
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Speaker 3: That's a, that's a lot of caffeine fueling him on
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Speaker 3: that serve. Probably. I, yeah. Reminds me of We did
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Speaker 3: the grad night at Disneyland high school graduation party thing
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Speaker 3: when I graduated. And that's like 10 p.m. to 6 a.m.
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Speaker 3: or maybe midnight to 6, whatever it was. The park
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Speaker 3: is only open for high school graduates, whatever schools reserve
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Speaker 3: their spot for this.
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Speaker 4: So....
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Speaker 3: We're walking around Disneyland, and people are like zombies, looking
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Speaker 3: like zombies walking around. Or they're asleep on the benches
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Speaker 3: that are just everywhere at Disneyland.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's just out. And those of us.
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Speaker 3: That I somehow stayed awake the whole time, me and
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Speaker 3: my friends, and had a great time, we're just slap happy.
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Speaker 1: Everything's funny. Everything's ridiculous. That was.
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Speaker 3: One of the craziest all-nighter experiences that I've had. That's
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Speaker 3: what happens when you stay up past, like what you're saying,
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Speaker 3: when you stay up that much farther past 2 a.m.
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Speaker 3: You get into 3 a.m. hour, wherever you live.
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Speaker 1: You're starting to get that kind of stuff going on.
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Speaker 2: There are those psycho workout people who sometimes wake up
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Speaker 2: in the 4 o'clock hour, right? There are some people who,
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Speaker 2: even if you work at a bar or something and
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Speaker 2: you get home, you're going to bed probably a little
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Speaker 2: bit before 3 a.m.
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Speaker 1: Three to five?
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Speaker 7: Uh-uh.
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Speaker 1: It's weird.
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Speaker 2: If you wake up at four for exercise, fine. If
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Speaker 2: you're in the military, you got to do it all night, whatever.
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Speaker 2: But the rest of us?
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Speaker 1: Got a morning show maybe in our industry. If you're
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Speaker 1: a tennis player, you shouldn't be playing tennis. Come on,
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Speaker 1: US Open, get it right.
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Speaker 2: All right, big thanks to everyone who listened and participated
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Speaker 2: on the show today.
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Speaker 1: Always love hearing from the listeners.
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Speaker 2: 2579 says, I watched the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: You're crazy. You are nuts. You mean like? this morning.
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Speaker 1: Cause you DVR it.
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Speaker 2: Or Dustin also best time zone, fell asleep on the couch, watching,
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Speaker 2: woke up for the final two games.
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Speaker 1: Let's go.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're a mountain time, it's one 30,
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Speaker 2: you're still with them. The realm of reasonability here. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's also, it almost resets things. If you are able
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Speaker 2: to take a couple hour nap, like, like our guy, Dustin,
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Speaker 2: you can go ahead.
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Speaker 1: You you'll be fine at 4.00 AM. Probably. What was the,
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Speaker 1: what was like the six overtime game that got played?
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Speaker 2: Was that in hockey? Where I fell asleep and then
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Speaker 2: I woke up and they were still playing. Like, what's
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Speaker 2: going on here?
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Speaker 3: There's the six overtime that I can think of as
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Speaker 3: the college basketball game. Syracuse-UConn, Big East Tournament, a while
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Speaker 3: back now.
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Speaker 2: In any case, we've gone into overtime here. Stay tuned
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