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INTERVIEW: Attorney Marilyn Mosby Speaks on the Cost of Taking on the Justice System, Call For Pardon + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club
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  Speaker 1: Mourning everybody. It's dj NV just Hilarius Chlamagne the God.
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  Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
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  Speaker 1: in the building. Yes, indeed be a form of Baltimore
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  Speaker 1: City State Attorney Marilyn Moseby. Welcome, Thank you for having me,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. We also have Angela Raie here as well. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: miss Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: While y'all both got on Cameouflood, were ready for it.
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  Speaker 3: Was it wasn't even on purpose, being on one accord,
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  Speaker 3: were ready for work.
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  Speaker 4: Taylor was too earlier.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, how are you though, Maryland? How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 5: I feel grateful. It's been really really hard. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we'll get into the case, but no, I have been
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  Speaker 5: accused of doing something that I have not done. I'm innocent.
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  Speaker 5: I'm facing forty years for withdrawing funds from my retirement savings.
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  Speaker 5: The United States government, a global superpower is actually coming
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  Speaker 5: for me. And so it's it's been hard and it's
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  Speaker 5: been daunting, but I feel blessed because you know, I
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  Speaker 5: have people in my corner like the Great Angela Rye right,
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  Speaker 5: this bold, beautiful, brilliant black woman who is using her
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  Speaker 5: platform to heighten what I'm going through. And I mean,
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  Speaker 5: the only thing I could say is gratitude.
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  Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning of that. How did you
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  Speaker 1: get to this position? Right? We seen Donald Trump throwing
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  Speaker 1: darts at you, But how did you get to this position?
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  Speaker 1: What happened? Let's start from the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: So when you say you start from the beginning, like
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  Speaker 5: the attacks, I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you a Baltimore's City State's attorney, so you're doing
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  Speaker 1: your job. And then it took a shift. When did
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  Speaker 1: it start taking a ship? When did the government start
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  Speaker 1: attacking you? And for what reason?
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  Speaker 5: So when I became the States Attorney, I was the
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  Speaker 5: youngest chief prosecutor of any major American city in the country.
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  Speaker 5: I won at the age of thirty four, and then
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  Speaker 5: I beat an incumbent that outraised me or to one
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  Speaker 5: by double digit percentage points. And so five months into
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  Speaker 5: my first term, you know, unfortunately, a young black man
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  Speaker 5: by the name of Freddie Carlos Gray Junior was killed
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  Speaker 5: in the custody of police when he was unconstitutionally arrested,
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  Speaker 5: placed into a metal wagon headfirst, feet shackled and handcuffed.
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  Speaker 5: And it's pleased for medical attention were ignored. I followed
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  Speaker 5: the facts with the law. I wouldn't do anything differently,
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  Speaker 5: but I charged those police officers. And at that time,
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  Speaker 5: I was one of the first prosecutors in the country
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  Speaker 5: to attempt to hold police officers accountable for the death
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  Speaker 5: of a black man. And so that wasn't happening in
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  Speaker 5: this country, and so it immediately came with a great
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  Speaker 5: deal of backlash. You know, I got hate mail and
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  Speaker 5: death threats, people describing how then my now ex husband
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  Speaker 5: would come out of our house and he would be killed,
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  Speaker 5: and how no police officers would respond. You know, it
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  Speaker 5: was a lot. This is pre Trump. This is you know,
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  Speaker 5: I had the social media. It was off the chain.
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  Speaker 5: This is before you know, you get kind of get
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  Speaker 5: used to it now, but this had a red nation
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  Speaker 5: rising where they were sending me all kinds of like
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  Speaker 5: hate mail, and it was it was insane. But that's
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  Speaker 5: when they started to come from my law license. They
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  Speaker 5: were trying to, you know, do whatever they could to
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  Speaker 5: break me. And what we learned out of that case,
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  Speaker 5: those officers were acquitted, and in my opinion, the police
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  Speaker 5: department sabotaged the case. But we learned our lessons. So
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  Speaker 5: in twenty sixteen, when I dismissed it, we put out
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  Speaker 5: a slate of police accountability reform proposals that were subsequently
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  Speaker 5: adopted nationally after George Floyd. You can go on record
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  Speaker 5: and you can see those same sort of proposals. But
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  Speaker 5: we also learned our lessons in that during my tenure
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  Speaker 5: we then subsequently prosecuted thirty three police officers.
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  Speaker 6: Successfully, not just you didn't go after just to Freddie
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  Speaker 6: Gray police officer's, thirty three other police officers successfully.
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  Speaker 5: Anybody that preyed upon the vulnerabilities the citizens of Baltimore
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  Speaker 5: had to deal with my office. You know, there was
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  Speaker 5: a Gun Trace Task Force. This was one of the
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  Speaker 5: largest police corruption scandals in the history of the country,
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  Speaker 5: where for decades you had officers planting guns and drugs
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  Speaker 5: on citizens, and so, understanding that the credibility of those
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  Speaker 5: officers were at issue, you know, we drafted legislation, lobbied
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  Speaker 5: for legislation, went against my colleagues across the state, and
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  Speaker 5: we were able to pass a vacatr statute that, in
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  Speaker 5: the interests of justice, gave prosecutors mechanisms to vacate the convictions.
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  Speaker 5: Imagine you know, individuals like that making claims on citizens
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  Speaker 5: and they're lying. So we had to review thousands of cases,
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  Speaker 5: and ultimately, through that legislation that we we created, we
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  Speaker 5: vacated the convictions of over eight hundred individuals.
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  Speaker 2: And that ain't gain you no fans in law enforcement
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  Speaker 2: and police union.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 3: I mean yeah, especially when the lead prosecutor on the
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  Speaker 3: Gun Trace Task Force. I'm gonna say this part because
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  Speaker 3: she shouldn't. The Gun Trace Task Force Leo Wise, which
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  Speaker 3: is a lawyer who, before he went to the Maryland
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  Speaker 3: US Attorney's Office, worked on Capitol Hill. All of his
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  Speaker 3: targets were black people. He goes there, he prosecutes these
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  Speaker 3: Gun Trace Task Force members, five of them are black,
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  Speaker 3: three of them are white. He doesn't go after their boss.
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  Speaker 3: Maryland says, oh, well, since we're you're finding corruption, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna make sure that we review all these cases. I
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  Speaker 3: think that this man's ego didn't allow for him to
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  Speaker 3: see that that was actually beneficial. If there was someone
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  Speaker 3: who did wrong by the law, then the conviction should
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  Speaker 3: be overturned. He took that as a personal affront. Not
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  Speaker 3: only was he the lead prosecutor on the case against Maryland,
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  Speaker 3: he donated to her political opponents that in and of
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  Speaker 3: itself should be a material conflict that got him removed
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  Speaker 3: from the cases against her. So they went after her.
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  Speaker 3: They were looking for things over and over again. Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump said that he was going to go after the
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  Speaker 3: protesters during the George Floyd unrest in this country and
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  Speaker 3: targeted Baltimore is one of them. That's not the first
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  Speaker 3: time he named Jick Maryland. Two months after well, they
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  Speaker 3: wrote an op ed saying, if you come to our cities,
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  Speaker 3: if you send the Fed to our cities, We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: prosecute the Feds. Another bowl moved by her. Two months
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  Speaker 3: after that, she was under federal investigation. That's not by accident.
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  Speaker 3: That's not happenstance.
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  Speaker 1: Now, before we.
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  Speaker 6: Get to the case, right, what other things were they
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  Speaker 6: doing to you that you started to notice, like when
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  Speaker 6: you realize, like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Theywn my ass.
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  Speaker 5: So I mean I understood and recognized that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: challenging the status quo wasn't just my you know, attempts
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  Speaker 5: to balance the skills of justice when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: holding police officers accountable. There were a great deal of
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  Speaker 5: other like reforms that we put into place, you guys
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  Speaker 5: covered it. At one point, we stopped prosecuting low level
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  Speaker 5: marijuana possession cases right in the City of Baltimore before
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  Speaker 5: it was legalized, because there was an expectation that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: that the guys in certain neighborhoods they could get the
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  Speaker 5: substance use. And unfortunately, we wanted to criminalize black folks
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  Speaker 5: even after we did decriminalize ten grams or less in marijuana,
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  Speaker 5: and the police were responsible for issuing citations, ninety five
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  Speaker 5: percent of the citations that they were issuing were issued
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  Speaker 5: to one particular one out of nine police districts. That
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  Speaker 5: district that they were issuing the citations happened to be
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  Speaker 5: ninety five percent black and disproportionately impoverished. Right, And so
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  Speaker 5: when we look at that fact that there's no disparate
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  Speaker 5: use among white and black people when it comes to
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  Speaker 5: mere possession of marijuana in America, if you're a white person,
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  Speaker 5: you're you're I mean a black person, you're four times
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  Speaker 5: more likely to be arrested for mere possession of marijuana. However,
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  Speaker 5: in the city of Baltimore, you were six times more likely.
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  Speaker 5: And what I said is we're not I'm never going
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  Speaker 5: to be complicit in discriminatory enforcement of laws against poor
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  Speaker 5: black and brown people. So my colleagues would call me morons.
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  Speaker 5: You know, they were constantly attacking me, and this was
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  Speaker 5: nothing knew because people are always going to be resistant
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  Speaker 5: to change. I understood that. I recognized that, you know.
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  Speaker 5: I started the first conviction integrity unit in the entire
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  Speaker 5: state of Maryland, where we did reinvestigations into claims of
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  Speaker 5: actual innocence, and under my tenure, we exonerated thirteen innocent
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  Speaker 5: black men who collectively served three hundred years in prison
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  Speaker 5: for crimes they didn't commit. I started a sentencing review
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  Speaker 5: unit where we released and modified the sentence of over
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  Speaker 5: sixty individuals that are the juvenile lifers and the elderly
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  Speaker 5: prison population. And so when you're going against the status
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  Speaker 5: quo and you're attempting to reduce the jail population and
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  Speaker 5: in a system that has disproportionately impacted and has based
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  Speaker 5: their business model off the backs of black and brown people,
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  Speaker 5: I knew people were going to come for me. I
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  Speaker 5: just didn't think that they were going to use this
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  Speaker 5: system against me in a way in which I would
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  Speaker 5: be wrongly convicted and face the same sort of reality
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  Speaker 5: as all of those exgonneries.
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  Speaker 6: So this is the indictment that happened in twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 6: That was the first time they came for you.
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  Speaker 5: So the Feds actually for five years they had been
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  Speaker 5: investigating every aspect of my life. So like they called
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  Speaker 5: my taxes, my charitable donations, my campaign contributions. They went
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  Speaker 5: to my children's dance instructors. They were sending the FBI
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  Speaker 5: to my neighbor's homes at five in the morning interrogating them.
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  Speaker 5: You imagine getting the FBI knocking at your door. We
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  Speaker 5: want to talk to you about Marilyn Moseby. And they
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  Speaker 5: issued subpoenas to all of the black churches five months before,
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  Speaker 5: you know, a few months before my election. So what
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  Speaker 5: do you think that's going to do. Everybody's gonna be like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: I don't want to touch this with them ten foot pole, right,
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  Speaker 5: And so it was created to isolate me, and so
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  Speaker 5: I understood that it was coming, but I still knew
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  Speaker 5: that I had done nothing wrong. And so to then
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  Speaker 5: have you know, all of that be public and the
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  Speaker 5: FEDS when they investigating you, typically you don't know it
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  Speaker 5: until you're indicted. They made it very public because they
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  Speaker 5: wanted to to to create this narrative that I was
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  Speaker 5: somehow a villain and corrupt, And so I was shocked
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  Speaker 5: when they came back and they indicted me of, you know,
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  Speaker 5: withdrawing my own money, the money that I put away
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  Speaker 5: every two weeks out of my in my retirement savings.
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  Speaker 2: Baltimore deferred compensation retirement account.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, a deferred compensation account. And they said that and
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  Speaker 5: made it out to be as if I was I
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  Speaker 5: was utilizing PPP loans or COVID relief funding right like, no,
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  Speaker 5: this is this is literally my money. What happened through
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  Speaker 5: that happened, So I mean this. During COVID Congress came
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  Speaker 5: out with a statute and Angelau if you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: get into it, you could as well. But they came
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  Speaker 5: out with the COVID Provision where the CARES Act under
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  Speaker 5: the CARES Act, where they had not defined what an
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  Speaker 5: adverse financial consequence was. Now it's a verse financial consequence
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  Speaker 5: legally is different than a financial hardship. A financial hardship
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  Speaker 5: has been defined, there is precedents already set for it,
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  Speaker 5: but an adverse financial consequence has not been legally defined.
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  Speaker 5: What I was attempting to do was to access my money,
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  Speaker 5: and I didn't know how I was going to do it,
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  Speaker 5: but I wanted to be able to access my money.
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  Speaker 5: I called, you know, nationwide. They told me, hey, there's
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  Speaker 5: this provision if you meet any of this criteria right
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  Speaker 5: and again an adverse financial consequence, then there's a recorded.
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  Speaker 3: Call of you calling nationwide where you asked is very
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  Speaker 3: clear that she's asking for clarification on how this money
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  Speaker 3: can be accessed and withdrawn.
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  Speaker 5: And what I was told was that I could access
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  Speaker 5: my money. What the government put on the stand is
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  Speaker 5: that David Randall, who's the executive director for the Deferred
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  Speaker 5: Compensation Fund for Baltimore City, he said all you needed
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  Speaker 5: to do was suffer a fifty dollars adversity and you
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  Speaker 5: could access your money. Seven hundred and thirty nine people
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  Speaker 5: in the city of Baltimore did the exact same thing
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  Speaker 5: that I did. And I'm the only person in America
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  Speaker 5: that has now been targeted, prosecuted, and convicted of doing
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  Speaker 5: this and facing forty years in jail.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this part, but it's
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  Speaker 3: actually in the United States. Overall, thirty five thousand people
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  Speaker 3: did the same thing withdrawing from their retirement accounts. None
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  Speaker 3: of them were prosecuted either, And I think that's an
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  Speaker 3: important part of the thing that I think we got
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  Speaker 3: to be mindful of today and on this show, is
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  Speaker 3: Marilyn is still facing forty years in prison.
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  Speaker 1: Hers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she's facing forty years in prison. Her sentencing is
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  Speaker 3: on May twenty third. The judge, who, frankly, again this
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  Speaker 3: is not Marilyn talking. This is me, to be very clear,
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  Speaker 3: the judge who ruled against her defense team and mostly
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  Speaker 3: on every motion and mostly on every objection, is responsible
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  Speaker 3: for her sentencing. She cannot prosecute this case on air
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  Speaker 3: or anywhere else because the judge could use that against her.
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  Speaker 3: And so I think we've got to be mindful about
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  Speaker 3: what we're saying and how we're saying it. What you're
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  Speaker 3: saying is one thousand percent true, but she is a
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  Speaker 3: former prosecutor and.
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  Speaker 4: She can't prosecute her.
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  Speaker 1: Let me ask a question.
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  Speaker 4: Right from a protector standpoint, we just got baking mincs that.
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  Speaker 1: So from what I'm hearing is as and you could
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  Speaker 1: clarify this. So it's pretty much saying, Hey, the Feds
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  Speaker 1: don't like her, and we're gonna find anything possible We
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  Speaker 1: can to shut her down.
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  Speaker 2: You feel like you were targeted.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's not just the FEDS, right, Like Angela has
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  Speaker 5: already outlined, it was the prior administration. So that's Trump's administration.
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  Speaker 5: That was very clear when I prosecuted those offices in
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  Speaker 5: Freddie Gray, he said, I think she ought to prosecute herself.
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  Speaker 5: William Barr, which was his attorney general, called out Baltimore
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  Speaker 5: called out a number of other progressive what he said
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  Speaker 5: were social justice reform prosecutors that were negating and diminishing
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  Speaker 5: the rule of law. He said at a press conference
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  Speaker 5: in February of twenty twenty. We will do anything to
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  Speaker 5: any jurisdiction. The Department of Justice will do anything we
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  Speaker 5: need to to ensure any jurisdiction or any individual politician
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  Speaker 5: is conforming with the rule of law. They opened up
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  Speaker 5: an investigation into me in October. The moment that Leo
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  Speaker 5: Wise became the individual with the pattern of discriminatory investigation
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  Speaker 5: against people of color came they opened that investigation. And
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  Speaker 5: this is all related to this prior administration. What has
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  Speaker 5: who has the power now to do something about that
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  Speaker 5: is this administration. And that's where Angela can tell you
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  Speaker 5: about what we have going on.
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  Speaker 3: I think the difficult part here is there's something very
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  Speaker 3: simple that the Biden administration could have done at the outset,
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  Speaker 3: and that is to review all of the Department of
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  Speaker 3: Justice cases that were currently open, particularly in the Public
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  Speaker 3: Corruption Unit. The reason for that is we know, because
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  Speaker 3: he said it on air all the time, that he
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  Speaker 3: would target and prosecute his political enemies. We also know
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  Speaker 3: that he would pardon people before they were even charged
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  Speaker 3: with anything if they were his friends. So it seems
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  Speaker 3: to me that common sense would have been for the
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  Speaker 3: Attorney General Merrit Garland, to say, let me take a
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  Speaker 3: look at these cases. We have another friend, of course,
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  Speaker 3: the co host of National Native Lampard, Andrew Gillum, who
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  Speaker 3: was acquitted from federal charges but was under the same
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  Speaker 3: it was the same circumstances. These prosecutors who are career
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  Speaker 3: but are very political again Leo Wise, who donated to
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  Speaker 3: Maryland's political opponents.
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  Speaker 4: There's a clear conflict.
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  Speaker 1: Ask your question, miss Yeah. Now you compare all the
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  Speaker 1: time and you talk about the body and administration and
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  Speaker 1: how you hate when Charlemagne sometimes goes against them because
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, how they should be helping out people,
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  Speaker 1: right and you go hard for the body and administration.
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  Speaker 4: You reading the comments, so you go.
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  Speaker 3: Against the other side. I should say, I absolutely, I will.
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  Speaker 3: I will always apply them if they're doing something right.
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  Speaker 3: To be fair, I'm not against them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm now in a situation of what's right right. It's
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  Speaker 1: clear what's right, what they should be doing that's right,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't do the right thing. How do you
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  Speaker 1: feel about the Biden administration now?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think that they need to be challenged.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that I think that we have to remember
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  Speaker 3: as black people in this country is there's never been
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  Speaker 3: an administration that we didn't have to push and challenge
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  Speaker 3: to do the right thing for us. I think that
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  Speaker 3: this is an administration that actually owes Maryland.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason for that is when Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Biden was being called crime Bill Joe, or Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 3: was being called the top cop, Marilyn went out and said,
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  Speaker 3: let me make sure y'all understand that I modeled my
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  Speaker 3: prosecutorial office after Kamalai.
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  Speaker 4: She went, he wasn't a prosecutor, Leonard. I understand you.
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  Speaker 2: Use him as a reference. I'm just saying how people think.
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  Speaker 3: Like anyway, The point is during the campaign. She stumped
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  Speaker 3: for them when Kamala had a bill on how they
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  Speaker 3: were gonna review recreational marijuana. Maryland was testifying before the
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  Speaker 3: stay sent it. Because she was a forefront leader here.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this is a political quid pro quote.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, you owe it to justice to do the
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  Speaker 3: right thing. You owe it to Maryland to protect her
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  Speaker 3: and insulate her. Not just for Maryland, but for every
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  Speaker 3: prosecutor who followed suit after Kamala Madame vice President, after
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  Speaker 3: Kim Fox, Rachel like all of these black women prosecutors
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  Speaker 3: are now under attack. That is not by an accident,
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  Speaker 3: that is by design. They are trying to ensure that
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  Speaker 3: other folks do not come forward and pursue progressive.
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  Speaker 4: Justice in the ways that they have.
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  Speaker 3: These are the things that create DEI equitable opportunities for
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  Speaker 3: our folks.
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  Speaker 4: If we don't do it this way.
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  Speaker 3: We end up overly incarcerated and under employed, under like,
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  Speaker 3: not having the opportunities we deserve.
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  Speaker 1: I don't Boden forgot, Does he not remember all these things?
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Reach to them now?
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: You know we're reaching out to so we have a
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: petition out on the Color Change platform. Can also go
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: to Justice for Marilyn Moseby dot com and there you
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: will find this petition.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: It is to President Biden. There are letters that are
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: going out.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: There's a civil rights organization letter that just went out yesterday.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: That is important for people to understand. This isn't just
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: some random people like coming together for Maryland. All of
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: the community is saying no, no, nah, this is the right
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: thing to do. Ben Crump has been a very vocal advocate,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: and you know he's very supportive of the Biden Harris administration.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I think what we have to understand is it may
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: not be on his radar. He does have a genocide
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: that he's you know, watching and.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: Having to engage it. I'm I'm saying I agree with that.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: And this was asked of Kareine Jean Pierre at last
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: week's White House press briefing. You saw April Ryan ask
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: about it. It is on his radar now and so
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: now you can review the facts. Some of the pushback
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: has been that Maryland didn't fill out a part and application.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: We were initially advised that the part and application didn't
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: apply to her because she hasn't been through a five
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: year waiting period from the sentencing or been.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Incarcerated for five years.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: The president, per the Constitution, has broad discretion on when
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: he can issue a pardon, and so we're going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: fill out the application, but also we expect a pardon.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Why do we expect them to do the right thing
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: when you know the indictment against you came under a
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: Democratic US attorney, right Eric Eric Baron, and it's been
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: handled by a Biden nominated judge who is Lydia Kate Grigsby.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: So why do you expect the Biden administration to do
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: the right thing? Our Democrats to do the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: Right She can't answer that. I would say to you this.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Please remember that these investigations began when Donald Trump was
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: in office. Please note that this absolutely should have fallen
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: on the Department of Justice. Tip again, go through these cases,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: what are they really about?
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: The fact that there are black.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Appointees doing things that they think will preserve their appointment
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: is not surprising. We have black folks like that in
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: corporate America all over the place that are like, what
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: can I do to make sure I'm below the radar?
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: That's what is giving.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And I think the other thing that we need to
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: note here is this judge was also appointed by President Obama,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: but she was in claims court. She has never touched
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: a criminal case before this one. Her very first criminal
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: trial was Marilynd's case. She was not prepared. I'm not
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: coming at this woman's qualifications, but she is a civil litigator,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: like even when she worked on Capitol Hill. I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: the other thing that's interesting from a timeline perspective is
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Eric barn and Lydia Griggsby just so happened to be
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: working on Capitol Hill together on the same committee.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: It's called the Senate Judiciary Committee.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: I just found that out that to me is also
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: an apparent conflict. So maybe she should have recused herself.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: There are a number of reasons and grounds for appeal.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Maybe you can talk more about that, But I think
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: in terms of the politics of this, they're very tricky,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: very interesting. It's made for a movie, honestly, but the
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: reality of it is this investigation began under Donald Trump,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: and we have to acknowledge that some of these prosecutors
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: should be dismissed because they have political ambitions, political intentions,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: political motives that actually end up causing graveheart in target.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: I mean, follow up, then, why do we expect Biden
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: to do the right thing when he's received nearly a
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: thousand pardon petitions during his term but was only granded
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: twenty four.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a good question.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: I think all we can do is hope for people
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing. You know, I don't know
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: if you have a different Please, this can be an
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: emotional plea.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: I mean it's I think that we have to come together.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think this is the right thing to do.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: I mean, we know that I've been targeted as a
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: result of the policies in my attempts to balance the
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: skills of justice. There's no other reason. They were looking
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: for any way to bring me down, and this was
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: the only thing that they felt like could stick. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: if we understood our power, we demanding. This is an
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: election year, guys, you need communities of color in order
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: to win this election. Again, a man that is touting
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: regression as making America great again, we've already seen the
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: type of destruction that he can impose on our country.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: And if we don't wake up and we don't stand
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: for me. And I'm not saying this from a perspective
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: of yes, I need the support. I'm facing forty years
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I have a thirteen and a fifteen year old daughter
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: that I don't want to be separated from. But this
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: is so much bigger than me. This is exactly what
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Angelas said. This is about Kim Fox, This is about
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: Aaron miss Ayala. This is about Monique Wrrel, This is
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: about Tish James, This is about Fannie Willis. This is
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: about so many of us who have stood in the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: line of fire, sacrificed ourselves, sacrificed our careers, sacrificed our
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: lives to do what's right, to equalize and to represent
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: the ideals of what this country is supposed to represent.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Do the people support you? Do the people in Baltimore
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: support you? Or they have an understanding. The reason I
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: ask is when people sometimes see state attorney automatically think, oh, well,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: she prosecutes so many people, so let I handle herself right,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And the problem with that is you have so many
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: people that that will feel like state attorneys do to it.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: A lot of times do the same thing that they're
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: doing to you, right, They feel like a lot of
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: times people get accused of things that they necessarily don't
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: do it. But a lot of times I'm sure, like yourself,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: you don't have the opportunity. You can't go war for war.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: You don't have the same type of war chests as
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the state government has. There's no way in hell if
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: you don't have some pro bono there's no way that
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you could possibly fight them because you and millions of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: lawyer fees and most people can't. So what do they
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: usually do? They plea out and they have to do time.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You know that they're innocent. I'm sure they went in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: your bank accounts, and I'm sure they close some of
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: your bank accounts because as soon as they go in
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: your banking account, the bank talk about they don't want
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: to do it anymore. They close your accounts. You got
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: to move money from money to money to money. You
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: can't even get a up if you wanted to even
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: buy a car, you probably couldn't even get a car
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: lolong because they're not going to prove you with a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: car and your credit is all jacked up. So for
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: people out there that feel like they've been through it
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and they haven't had the voice that you've had, what
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: do you say to those people to make sure that
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: they understand that you weren't that type of attorney. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: don't know if you were you weren't.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: So I think the people of Baltimore recognized that I
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: was not that typical sort of case processing attorney that
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: was thinking about only convictions. The mantra of my office
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: was justice over convictions, and that was something that I
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: took to heart. You know. I went to over three
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: thousand community association churches and schools throughout my tenure. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: had the first crime Control and Prevention division out of
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: a state Attorney's office where we touched more than twenty
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: thousand young people. Throughout my tenure. There were so many things.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: I had community liaisons and representatives in the community. There
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: were so many things that I understood and recognized that
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: you have to be able to break down those barriers
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: of distrust.
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: We touched fifty two thousand victims and witnesses of crime.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: We renovated the victim witness from There were so many
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: things that we did, and I think that fundamentally the
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: people of Baltimore understood that I was a different type
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: of prosecutor. It was justice over convictions. When you have
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: conservative media, right, and bias media that villainize you day
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: in and day out, twenty four hours a day. The
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: only thing that they're focusing on is you and they're
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: comparing you. Oh, this is just yet another corrupt Baltimore politician,
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: or better yet, just another black Baltimore City criminal. Right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: They put that into the minds of individuals, and they
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: did this for years upon years, and I couldn't say
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: anything about it because there was a gag order, right,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: and I couldn't even defend myself. So, yes, the people
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: of Baltimore, a number of them have been hoodwinked. Right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Malcolm X said it, like, you don't pay attention to
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: media will have you hate and the oppressed and loving
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: the oppressor. And so at the end of the day,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: the one thing I can say, and yes, this has
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: been extremely isolating and painful because I did sacrifice so
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: much of myself to do what was right. But I
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: feel grateful because God even the conditions on top of
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: the federal government coming for me. Right, Like, I've had
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: to go through heartbreak and betrayal. I've lost everything from
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: my reputation, my election, my career, my marriage. It was
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: in a twenty five year relationship I had to walk
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: away from, Like my car. My grandmother is in hospice
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: right now. She raised me. There was so many other
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: sort of elements of like what is this God right?
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: But at the same time, I'm grateful because he brought
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: and the people that I loved unconditionally showed me the
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: conditions of their love. And at my lowest, at my lowest,
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: it was me and God, it was me and God.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I was walking out. The most sobering moment for me
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: was in the courtroom when I turned around that first
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: trial and I wanted to shield my girl, so I
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: didn't bring them. They see enough. My kids have been
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: confronted in school and they're like, are cruel? That's why
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: your mother's going to jail, right, And it's affected them.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: So the first trial I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: get through this. And the most sobering moment was when
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: I turned around and there was nobody in the courtroom
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: and I prayed on it and I said, God, what
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: is this? And I came out. Media's asking me, what
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: are you? How you feel? How you feel? I feel blessed.
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: I feel blessed. And what I realized is that God
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: was with me. My angel guides were with me, my
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: ancestors are with me. I didn't need anybody. But that
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: second trial let me tell you, he sent perfect strangers
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: into my life. My mother and father didn't even show
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: up to trial, right, that was so sobering for me.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: But he sent perfect strangers in my life that advocated
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: for me, that I referred to as my Earth angels
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: that I've taken on this cause. You know, Angela has
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: been phenomenal using her platform. I have local supporters Sheena
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: and so Sylvia and Bill and Tyrone and Hakey and
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: people who submitting. Let me tell you that second trial,
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: they were there. They got charter buses, they rolled up,
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: they were not playing. They were there every single day.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: They've been on the radio advocating for me, and that
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: second trial. I brought my girls because I wanted them
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: to see, like all that we've gone through, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: and trying to just figure out how I'm gonna live,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: like when you deplete your savings and I still have
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: a mortgage and now I have rent because I don't
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: have the house that I was living in in Like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I brought my girls because I wanted them to see
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: what it feels like to have faith right and to
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: see strength in the face of adversity.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: What do you say to people who say the government
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: said what the government told the jury that you lied
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: on mortgage applications, and they said that you knew what
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: you submitted was not true, but you did it anyway,
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: seven times on two sets of loan paperwork, in part
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: the hight tax that can get a lower interest rate.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: It was so ridiculous. I mean, that allegation, all of it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: If you were in the courtroom and sitting in the
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: courtroom and being on the stand, I literally and I
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: didn't want to come off as obnoxious or anything, but
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I'm making my own objections, like, Okay, well that was
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: asked and answered, but I'll go ahead and answer. They
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: didn't even know that I didn't. I wasn't the one
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: that filled out the mortgage application. My mortgage broker did.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Didn't find that out until we're sitting there in trial.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, there's so many We have a great basis
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: for an appeal on so many different grounds, and my
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: attorneys feel extremely confident on that basis. But in the interim, right,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: we can't appeal until after I'm sentenced. In seventeen days,
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: I'll be sentenced and I'm facing forty years in jail.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: The mortgage broker admitted to that yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: The mortgage broker. She's reviewed, Angela has reviewed the trial transcripts.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They don't want the mortgage broker though.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: They didn't matter, none of them.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And I'm not suggesting that the government prosecuted him, but
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: are grounds for prosecuting mortgage brokers. It's just it's fascinating
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: to me that they only went after Maryland.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: And I think the.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Bigger issue is the Feds actually lied in their indictment.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Correct, they actually lied because they.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Say in there that she used a gift from her
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: husband at the time, Nick to secure a lower interest rate.
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: How about the interest rate was locked three weeks before.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: That, So did you feel out the application the interest
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: rates lot?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: So what are we talking about? So what are we
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: talking about? And that was a suggestion by her broker.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: So all of that is incorrect. And they didn't even
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: have to like come to account for that. They didn't
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: have to modify the indictment. So there are several things
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: that they've done that are wrong, that are unethical. Right,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I think that we should be looking into filing complaints
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: with the Office of Professional Responsibility at the United States
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Department of Justice because a lot of this is unethical.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: It's about scoring points on the board, and they don't.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: So some folks would say, well, why are you focusing
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: on a part in it, not just ensuring that she
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: doesn't do any prison time If Marylynd, if this conviction stands,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Marilyn loses her law license. If you don't think that's
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: what those white boys want, you're in for a root awakening.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: That's all they want.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: They don't, and they've wanted it for a long time.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: They've wanted it since pretty gray.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: They've actually filed an emergency petition to immediately suspend my
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: law license. And this was before my second trial, right, Like,
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: you don't typically do that from a bar council until
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: after you've been sentenced. But they're setting a precedence in
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: my particular case where they want to immediately provoke my
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: law license and break me.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: You know, between the Mortgane broker admitting that he was
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: the one who filled out the application and then even
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: your ex husband he blamed himself for your legal troubles.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: So the one thing I will say, I'm you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: clearly I was in a twenty five year relationship and
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: this brought out a lot of information that I didn't
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: no right, and it brought a huge chasm between our
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: relationship finance the number finances, definitely, and I can just
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: say that, you know, and like this was my college sweetheart, right,
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Like I've been with my husband since I was eighteen
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: years old. And then the tragedy of like having the
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: disillusion of your marriage be in a federal courtroom where
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the opposite side being referred to as
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: the defendant as a result of some of the lies
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: that he told me. So, yeah, this has been painful.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: This is incredibly painful.
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: But if he admitted in a courtroom, which he did,
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: that he did it was his fault. He blames the
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: legal troubles on your legal troubles on him. And then
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: he please played did he plead guilty?
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: No? No, no, no, my parents they didn't charge him.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: They want him.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: They wanted me, right, they wanted me.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: So, but the jury acquitted all the other ridiculous allegations
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: that they were making about me and all these you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: other seven ledge false statements, which it's not false statements,
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Like I said, they didn't even realize that I wasn't
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: the one that filled out the application form, you know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: as a result of his testimony, the jury acquitted me
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: on all of those charges. And I think that the
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: jury in the end compromised. And I don't want to
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: get too far into it, but like on all of
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: those other allegations, they said not guilty on six of
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: them and then came back with this.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: But they're not allowed to know how much time goes
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: is attached to each charge, So that one charge is
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: thirty years. That one charge the the payment basically the
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: earnest money gift from Nick because it was Maryland's money money.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: They make it seem like there's.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Some elaborate money laundering ski currently look at what the
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: what the Feds put forth, that's not it at all.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Like how many folks your spouse transfers you money on
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: cash app you like, forget you, then I'm mad at
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: you today and you send it back.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: That ain't money laundering.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: And if someone says I'm gonna this is actually gonna
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: be advantageous for you to go about it this way
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: because I can't utilize this money from this other account
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: with you because you share it with your daughter, she's
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: a miner. We can't take this money. How about your
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: husband do it? Marylyn Is like, okay, still preserving her marriage.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: She's like, just in case he ain't got the money,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: let me make sure he.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: Got the money.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: That is not a crime, even withdrawing money from your
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: own retirement account is not a crime. Somehow they've created
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: this narrative, this fictional narrative that makes her seem like
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  Speaker 3: a criminal, so that they can undermine her legacy, undermine
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  Speaker 3: the work that she did as a progressive prosecutor, and
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  Speaker 3: shame black women in this role, and most importantly, go
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  Speaker 3: after her law license.
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  Speaker 2: What about the perjury charge?
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  Speaker 5: The perjury is related to me withdrawing the funds from
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: the COVID provision. Again, there's no basirement from my retirement account. Like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: they have not prosecuted or used this provision for anyone else,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: as Angela has already indicated, I didn't even realized thirty
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  Speaker 5: five thousand people in America have done the same thing
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  Speaker 5: under this provision. The person in Baltimore City. I told
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  Speaker 5: you seven hundred and thirty nine people did that in
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  Speaker 5: the city of Baltimore. I am the only person in America,
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  Speaker 5: in America that has been investigated, prosecuted, and now convicted.
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  Speaker 3: The thing to know about this too is the perjury
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  Speaker 3: is about saying she experienced an adverse financial consequence. That
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  Speaker 3: is Maryland's to know. And the problem is this judge again,
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  Speaker 3: this is not Maryland talking, this is me. She told
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  Speaker 3: the jury to rely on their own common sense. It
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  Speaker 3: is in the court transcripts. That's not a jury instruction.
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  Speaker 3: She told the jury that it is defined in the
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  Speaker 3: Cares Act. An adverse financial consequence is defined in the
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  Speaker 3: Cares Act. It is not is defined as an adverse
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  Speaker 3: financial consequence. And as someone who has written legislation on
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  Speaker 3: the hill, we ain't got time to define everything. So
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: you got to give them what the parameters are for
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  Speaker 3: that in the jury instructures.
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  Speaker 4: That is your obligation as the judge.
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  Speaker 3: The worst thing I think about this is for Maryland
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: to have experienced an adverse financial consequences doesn't mean that
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  Speaker 3: her salary took a hit, which is what DJ was
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: trying to tie. You're so change, yeah, right, But that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: not the case. It could be that she had to
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: start taking care of another family member who experienced hardship,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: who was laid off, who was fur loughed, and we
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: all had those family members who were we all were like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: what is going to happen. It was a very scary time.
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  Speaker 3: Mind you, all the members of Congress who were withdrawing
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  Speaker 3: their same salaries but could get PPP loans, they weren't prosecuted,
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  Speaker 3: and we not even talk about PPP Governor Hogan. This
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  Speaker 3: brings me back to my point from five minutes ago.
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  Speaker 3: Governor Hogan gave the Feds money to prosecute fraud related
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  Speaker 3: to the Cares Act.
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  Speaker 4: You want to know when he did it? Shortly after
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  Speaker 4: Maryland was indicted.
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  Speaker 3: That was by design so that they could ensure that
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  Speaker 3: they did whatever they needed to lock her up. They
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: literally targeted that money to Cares Act related fraud.
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  Speaker 2: So if you receive at a part in Maryland, what
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: do you do moving forward?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm able to live my life again. I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: able to continue to fight for justice. I mean, this
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: is I don't know for let me tell you right now,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: I'm a little jaded and right now at this moment,
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: but I'm not going to stop fighting for for for
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: justice and fighting for what's right in this country. I
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: think you know that for me, it is a calling.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: So I just want to be able to to live again.
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  Speaker 5: I want to be able to to be with my
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: babies and well they're not babies, my teenagers, and establish
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: my life again like I deserve to live. I think
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: i've I've sacrificed a lot to ensure that the skills
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: of justice are fair.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: So what's the call to action? What do you what
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: do we need people to do?
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: We need people to sign this petition. Where is it
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: that it's on Justice from Maryland Moseby dot com. The
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: petition is calling on President Biden to issue a pardon,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing, because sometimes even good people
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: need to be called to account and to be asked
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: to do the right thing. So we'll keep doing it, Leonard,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: not today, not on this, not in the call to action.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: And I think the other thing that's important for people
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: to do is to spread the word.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: Talk about this case.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: If you know that this is ridiculous, that someone is
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: facing forty years in prison, one for something they didn't do,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: but especially something around around withdrawing money from their own
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: retirement account, speak up because if we don't, it could
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: happen to any of us. That is the point. So
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: I think those are the two calls to action for
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: those who our listeners. Justice from Marilyn moosby dot com.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Sign that part in petition, and also make sure that
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: you're sharing this story.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I have faith in God, none in the Biden administration,
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: but it would be the right thing for them to do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you for sharing your story. They're about to argue,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: so let them argue.
• 38:45
  Speaker 6: Faith in God, but none in the Biden administration, but
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: it would be the right thing for them to do.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So hopefully God can move some hearts.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes and I know you've probably heard it
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: so much, and I know you probably hate hearing it,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: but you know, somebody told me actually a couple months ago,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: that sometimes God does that we don't understand and puse
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: people out of our life at the right time because
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it could have got a lot worse. So that I
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: always think about things like that when things happen like this,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: because that's the reason why. And there's no answer to why,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: but maybe that is your why, you know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: No, And I appreciate that the one thing that, like
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I said, I got closer, this whole sort of crucible
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: made me wiser, stronger, and more empowered in my faith.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: And I recognize that God will give his toughest battle
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: to his strongest soldiers, right, and so I'm so grateful.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: That's why I started it with expressing my gratitude because like,
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I've been at my lowest and he's gotten me through
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: and I'm still here and I'm still standing, and I
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: know that he will have the final say right at
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, and he does not forsake
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: the righteous, and I know that I've done nothing wrong,
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: and at the end of the day, I'm just I surrender.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: I know who's in control.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Let's put it out there with the website again.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: Www dot Justice for Maryland. Mosby dot co.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Signed the petitions, right, It's Marilyn Moseby. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning for
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.