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151: Blockbuster Desolation · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know one guy who actually works at a
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  Speaker 1: video store.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'll save it for when we're recording. Yeah, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get to that. Oh, he's always recording. Oh, excellent.
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  Speaker 5: One million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 6: To provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 2: To your sentries, we have a movie meltdown. What bus
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  Speaker 2: does it shut down?
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  Speaker 7: Way down among Brazilians, coffee beans grow by the billions.
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  Speaker 7: So they've got to find those extra cups to fill.
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  Speaker 7: They got an awful lot of coffee in Brazil.
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  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Brian. I'm Fred. I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 8: And this week we have two extra guests with us.
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  Speaker 8: I wouldn't say first time for either, really. We have Steve,
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  Speaker 8: which you have to go back a ways. Other listeners,
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  Speaker 8: aside from Greg, I don't know if they'll go back
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  Speaker 8: that far, but if you were back a long time ago,
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  Speaker 8: you may remember Steve from the Stranger in the Video store.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm back, and I'm reformed.
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  Speaker 8: We couldn't get rid of you.
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  Speaker 4: And, um.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really sorry about last time.
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  Speaker 9: I really.
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  Speaker 8: Screw it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm not sorry.
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  Speaker 8: That's okay, because the last time.
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  Speaker 2: You deserved it.
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  Speaker 8: The last time I didn't post that one, so there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was that bad.
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  Speaker 8: That's how bad that one was. But the time before that,
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  Speaker 8: slightly more recently, he was actually there for the indie
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  Speaker 8: horror films episode. We did a special indie horror double feature.
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  Speaker 2: That I don't apologize for that. No.
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  Speaker 8: Zombie cheerleading camp.
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  Speaker 2: You ripped those people apart. I hate you. I really
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  Speaker 2: hate you.
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  Speaker 9: In fact, I want to visit you in your dreams
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  Speaker 9: at night and rape you.
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  Speaker 8: Like Mantra?
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  Speaker 2: I didn't mind Mantra, actually. Mantra was okay. I liked that.
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  Speaker 1: Zombie cheerleading camp really, really pissed me off.
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  Speaker 8: You took it upon yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It was all my words.
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  Speaker 1: This podcast has nothing to do. It was my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 2: And you know what? You deserved it.
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  Speaker 8: Are you talking to the movie or me?
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  Speaker 9: I'm actually talking to the movie, particularly whoever made the movie.
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  Speaker 9: I don't remember who it was because I've wiped that
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  Speaker 9: part of my brain clean. That's actually what sent me
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  Speaker 9: into the therapy sessions. And you cost me money, people.
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  Speaker 3: Is that the reason why we don't do independent films
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  Speaker 3: from shows anymore?
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  Speaker 8: We do, but we... It has many. We've backed off
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  Speaker 8: quite a bit, because I don't think it services anyone, really.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, all it.
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  Speaker 2: Mantra was... I thought it was pretty good.
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  Speaker 11: It had.
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  Speaker 8: Again, all I remember was the trailer, but, I mean,
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  Speaker 8: it looked like it at least had some work put
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  Speaker 8: into it.
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  Speaker 9: It did.
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  Speaker 2: It was well thought out.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not so sure about the other ones, but.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, it's... I really... I've been watching Walking Dead lately.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And each time I watch that, I do kind of
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  Speaker 1: flash back a little bit to zombie cheerleading camp, and
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  Speaker 1: I cry just a little bit.
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  Speaker 8: I haven't seen a cheerleader on that show yet.
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  Speaker 6: Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: I've only seen the first season, so. It's pretty good. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I won't spoil it for you.
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  Speaker 8: When they go to cheerleading camp.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad. It was bad.
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  Speaker 9: And I did have nightmares about zombies the other night when,
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  Speaker 9: after I, after I watched walking dead, but then I
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  Speaker 9: realized halfway through, they're not the walking dead zombies.
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  Speaker 1: They're the zombie cheerleading camp zombies.
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  Speaker 2: Because they couldn't follow any rules.
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  Speaker 9: They'd walk in a room, they'd sit down, they'd watch
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  Speaker 9: TV and then they'd fall over.
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  Speaker 1: But then the next second they'd have super strength.
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  Speaker 2: Um, It was horrible. It was really, really terrible.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, the inconsistency. That was one of your favorite things.
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  Speaker 2: I'm done.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact is, I still remember that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have notes on zombie cheerleading camp.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just scarred.
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  Speaker 8: Okay. Oh, this episode not brought to you by zombie
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  Speaker 8: cheerleading camp.
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  Speaker 9: Moving forward, we should actually probably stop bashing zombie cheerleading.
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  Speaker 2: Camp because I could do this all night.
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  Speaker 8: That was Steve, by the way. And the other side
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  Speaker 8: here would be Dave. Dave, you remember more recently, we
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  Speaker 8: just talked to you about your book, War Eagles.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, which I appreciate very much.
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  Speaker 8: Again, we're glad to get the word out, and you've definitely,
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  Speaker 8: aside from the book, you've worked with Wonderfest for, I
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  Speaker 8: don't know, 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: How long has it been?
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  Speaker 12: I guess it's around 96, since we had Ray Harry.
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  Speaker 12: I was on the first time with the Vogue.
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  Speaker 8: I've been going there pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly since 98.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, and like I said, meeting him was such a
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  Speaker 12: huge thing, and getting him to work with me on
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  Speaker 12: the project was great.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm glad to finally have the book out. I've
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  Speaker 6: been working on it since I was, what, 13? That's
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  Speaker 6: long enough. I'll try to get the next one in
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  Speaker 6: before I die.
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  Speaker 8: So for two years you've been.
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  Speaker 2: With me.
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  Speaker 8: No, not mentally. I was going with our collective mental
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  Speaker 8: age of about 15.
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  Speaker 3: After just listening to that episode, I was like, why
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  Speaker 3: isn't this something?
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  Speaker 2: It just seems like such a great.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah a great story this great ultimate pulp adventure story
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  Speaker 6: but i don't know.
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  Speaker 8: It's like it's cursed the first time you told me
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  Speaker 8: too many people.
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  Speaker 12: Have tried to make it and way too many people
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  Speaker 12: just run into a wall they're still trying but i
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  Speaker 12: don't have much faith so i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Gonna have to go back and listen to that episode.
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  Speaker 8: It's an amazing story it's yeah it is it is
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  Speaker 8: current now.
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  Speaker 6: That you know i haven't even seen avatar.
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  Speaker 12: And i'm boycotting mr cameron but There's so much of
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  Speaker 12: War Eagles and Avatar that if they made it now,
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  Speaker 12: people would just say, oh, you're ripping off Avatar.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: What year did they write this movie?
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  Speaker 6: James has got those habits.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, he doesn't go very deep for his inspiration sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: No, Pocahontas is where it's as deep as it gets.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, really?
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was like a bag of weed and
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  Speaker 2: an old Yes album cover.
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  Speaker 8: That, too.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty much what I got from the movie.
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  Speaker 8: He used to be much better than that, but yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And a lot of money.
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  Speaker 2: He was smoking that bag of weed with hundreds.
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  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: I went through a bag of weed myself, and there
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  Speaker 2: was an album cover with those floating mountains. I'm pretty sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was Roger Dean did that.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, yeah. He does some classy work on the tech. Alright,
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  Speaker 8: so that is our crew this week. We are back
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  Speaker 8: here for another session of the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 2: Cappuccino on my butt.
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  Speaker 6: I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 2: The last fucking thing you need is another cup of coffee.
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  Speaker 13: It's time for the Caffeinated Movie Geek.
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  Speaker 8: We are coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 8: Nancy's Bagel Grounds where we get together, drink coffee, talk movies,
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  Speaker 8: and bash other movies.
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  Speaker 3: Bash independent films i'm.
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  Speaker 2: Still not sorry zombie cheerleading camp.
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  Speaker 8: Not across the board we've said many many good things
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  Speaker 8: about many other independent films i.
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  Speaker 9: Actually like a lot of independent films and documentaries i
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  Speaker 9: watch them by the score it's just just one movie
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  Speaker 9: just push me a.
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  Speaker 2: Little over the top.
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  Speaker 9: I take plot synopsis very seriously.
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  Speaker 8: So we passed this great responsibility on to someone different
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  Speaker 8: this week. So, Steve, I ask you, what blend of
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  Speaker 8: coffee are we drinking this week?
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  Speaker 2: Thundermuck.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, you got it right. Good for you.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, thank God.
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  Speaker 8: We were taking bets whether or not he was going
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  Speaker 8: to screw that up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to tell you what I almost said.
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  Speaker 11: Continue.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure we've said it before. It's very good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm easily bought by coffee.
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  Speaker 9: It's, yeah, it's... Zombie cheerleading camp, you owe me so
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  Speaker 9: much coffee.
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  Speaker 8: It's one of the classic blends. It's been a while
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  Speaker 8: since we've had this one, so I thought we'd go
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  Speaker 8: back with the classic Thundermuck. All right, so I guess
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  Speaker 8: we can move into this week's geek activities. Again, we'll
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  Speaker 8: break it up this time, so we'll let the new
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  Speaker 8: guys sit out this round until next week, and this
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  Speaker 8: week we'll let our usual rundown go here. So, if
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  Speaker 8: I am first, I've got a few, one of which
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  Speaker 8: I'm kind of interested to see what other people think.
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  Speaker 8: I saw Captain America. Dave, have you seen Captain America? Yes,
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  Speaker 8: I have.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 8: I thought you... Were you big on Rocketeer?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I liked Rocketeer.
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  Speaker 8: I thought I remembered us talking about Rocketeer many years ago,
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  Speaker 8: but I felt it was kind of in that vein.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, he had a lot of trouble with Wolfman,
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  Speaker 8: most of which wasn't his fault.
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  Speaker 12: I'm one of those people who doesn't agree. I'm one
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  Speaker 12: of those people who actually enjoy Wolfman. I think it's
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  Speaker 12: a good B-movie, just like the original was a B-movie.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of agree with you.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it did come out as a B-movie. They seem
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  Speaker 9: like they set their sights just a little higher.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: It's very stylish.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought it was beautiful.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Um, You know, most of the lashback on that was
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  Speaker 12: fanboy reaction. It's like, have they watched Lon Chaney Jr.
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  Speaker 6: 's performances?
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  Speaker 12: I used to love the guy, but I just thought,
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  Speaker 12: you know, this was a comparable film, and it wasn't
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  Speaker 12: really a remake. They took it in different directions, which
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  Speaker 12: I liked. So I think Joe Johnston as a whole
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  Speaker 12: is kind of an underrated director. I think he makes
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  Speaker 12: some pretty fun movies.
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  Speaker 2: He's kind of like Jack Arnold.
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  Speaker 6: He makes some solid B-pictures.
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  Speaker 8: Visually, I think, yeah, the Wolfman, I mean, that's one
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  Speaker 8: I never faulted it for. I think it looked great.
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  Speaker 14: I had issues with dialogue and some of the performances,
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  Speaker 14: but I think visually, I didn't really have a problem
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  Speaker 14: with the story and definitely not the look of it.
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  Speaker 14: I think it did have a really consistent look and
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  Speaker 14: a very good kind of tapping into that period.
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  Speaker 8: Piece sort of thing, which, again, works so well in
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  Speaker 8: Captain America. I think he really kind of nailed that,
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  Speaker 8: almost like that war films kind of footage, that sepia tone,
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  Speaker 8: you know, look to everything, which he did with Rocketeer.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, once again, it's a very stylized kind of film,
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  Speaker 12: but I really enjoyed Captain America.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was a straightforward, good comic book movie.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, and kind of old comic book. Like, it's not,
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  Speaker 8: tons of superhero superpowers it's kind of a war movie
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  Speaker 8: you know it's like that second half is just him
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  Speaker 8: behind enemy lines fighting bad guys and i mean he's
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  Speaker 8: got a shield but other than that he's sort of
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  Speaker 8: dressed like a soldier doing soldier things so it yeah
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  Speaker 8: it's it's surprisingly how much it wasn't a superhero movie
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  Speaker 8: for being such a superhero movie so yeah i thought
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  Speaker 8: that was actually i'd heard pretty decent things so it
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  Speaker 8: sort of lived up to the to the hype before.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, based on the fact that Johnson was doing it
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  Speaker 12: and then the casting, I liked, you know, Hugo Weaving,
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  Speaker 12: people like that thrown into the mix. So I was
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  Speaker 12: there actually first week to see it. I don't get
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  Speaker 12: out very often to see movies at first run anymore.
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  Speaker 6: But that's one I actually went out and caught and
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  Speaker 6: I really liked it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw it in the theater as well. I
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  Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. The thing that impressed me.
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  Speaker 2: The most was.
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  Speaker 9: Their ability to make him look so small in the
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  Speaker 9: very beginning.
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  Speaker 2: And they really just followed a really good progression of
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  Speaker 2: character development all the way through the film. I really
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  Speaker 2: appreciated that.
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  Speaker 9: And it was believable because there's so many comic book
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  Speaker 9: movies that just fall so short of that.
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  Speaker 2: There's so many comic books that fall short of.
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  Speaker 1: Of sticking to decent character development, and I really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's the problem, is if they can't get the
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  Speaker 12: character development that's already.
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  Speaker 6: Inherent in a comic book, they're falling down pretty hard.
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  Speaker 12: Now that we have the technology to do almost any
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  Speaker 12: superhero movie we want.
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  Speaker 6: They're still kind of lagging when it comes to the
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  Speaker 6: story department. But I thought Captain America pulled it off
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  Speaker 6: pretty well.
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  Speaker 12: Most of what Marvel has been doing since they took
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  Speaker 12: over Hiling their properties has been a big improvement.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Since they got away from X3.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: Everything since then has been sort of an improvement.
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  Speaker 3: Are we, you know, you mentioned how, um, when you
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  Speaker 3: see movies as now, you know, a B movie, are
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  Speaker 3: we in that age now where it's harder for a
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  Speaker 3: casual fan to even know the difference because so much
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  Speaker 3: money can be thrown at it and it can look
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  Speaker 3: so technically so well done. And, um, that people almost
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  Speaker 3: lose sight of the content or the structure and have
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  Speaker 3: no idea what.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that came up in my mind.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it falls into that kind of B-movie,
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  Speaker 3: sci-fi thing, was Splice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, because it looked, you know, visually fantastic.
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  Speaker 8: For as low budget as that. I mean, for a
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  Speaker 8: low budget movie, that's one I can get on board
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  Speaker 8: with just visually. It looked very slick and very well produced.
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  Speaker 2: So it can.
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  Speaker 3: you know, with a little turn of the script, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it can, it could be, you know, alien or it
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  Speaker 3: could be, be splice.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It could be splice.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's almost harder even from just trailers now
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  Speaker 3: to even tell what, you know, 20 years ago, you
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  Speaker 3: can go, Oh, I can see where this movie, this
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  Speaker 3: is going to be now.
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  Speaker 6: It's, it's, you know, visuals are so good. Visuals are
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  Speaker 6: so easy to produce now. Like, what was it? Monsters.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Which I really liked.
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  Speaker 8: He did on his laptop.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: So maybe those walls are all dissolving, although most blockbusters
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  Speaker 12: now are B-movies with big budgets.
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  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say. The lines are
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  Speaker 8: totally blurred story-wise because most of the huge movies that
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  Speaker 8: they throw money at, I mean, their tentpole releases for
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  Speaker 8: the year now are almost all what would be considered
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  Speaker 8: years ago B-movie plots.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, the stuff that probably was the A movies
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  Speaker 8: in the 40s is now like the little dramas that
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  Speaker 8: they barely throw any money at anymore. I think it's
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  Speaker 8: sort of flip-flopped over the years. But otherwise, what else?
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  Speaker 8: I won't go too much into it because I kind
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  Speaker 8: of feel like we could do a whole episode. I
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  Speaker 8: really liked Attack the Block. I know it got a
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  Speaker 8: little good buzz when it very first came out. It
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  Speaker 8: didn't get a huge release. It didn't get a ton
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  Speaker 8: of money thrown at it, but.
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  Speaker 8: It's another one that's a low budget, but it's got
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  Speaker 8: a good cast. It had some decent character development. I
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  Speaker 8: like the effects. The effects aren't like, again, it's not
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  Speaker 8: million dollar effects. You can tell what they're doing. You
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  Speaker 8: can tell that it is an effect, but I liked
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  Speaker 8: what they did with it. So I think, yeah, I
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  Speaker 8: may save that one somewhere down the line. We might
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  Speaker 8: have to revisit it because it was pretty good. And
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  Speaker 8: then just this last week, I watched Super 8. Has
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  Speaker 8: anybody seen it? I just got around to seeing it.
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  Speaker 2: I have not seen it. How was it?
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  Speaker 8: I ended up liking it, I have to say. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: everybody kept talking about what a Spielberg-esque movie it is,
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  Speaker 8: and it has those elements, but you can definitely tell
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  Speaker 8: it's an Abrams movie. Aside from, what the fuck is
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: up with the winds flares?
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Jesus Christ.
• 15:57
  Speaker 8: I know that's his signature thing, but damn. I don't
• 16:00
  Speaker 8: even understand why it's his signature thing. I mean, it's
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: just so noticeable to me, and it was all through
• 16:07
  Speaker 8: Star Trek. So I'm not sure why he's so hardcore
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: about doing that. But aside from that, he's got such
• 16:13
  Speaker 8: a good style, and he knows how to pace things.
• 16:16
  Speaker 8: I mean, you can see all of the elements of
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: the Spielberg movies that he grew up with, though. I mean,
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: there's definitely tons of moments from Close Encounters. There's tons
• 16:26
  Speaker 8: of stuff from E.T. There's some Jurassic Park thrown in there.
• 16:29
  Speaker 8: It's like there's a lot of stuff that covers his
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: entire career, more or less. Especially when you get into
• 16:34
  Speaker 8: the family situation, it feels very 70s Spielberg. You can
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: see the influence there, but I still don't think they
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: Toby Hooper'd it. I don't think anybody's going to accuse
• 16:45
  Speaker 8: it of not being J.J. Abrams' movie because it feels
• 16:48
  Speaker 8: very much like J.J.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: Abrams.
• 16:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah, that's one I've been wanting to pick up. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 12: just thought, well, I heard enough good about it, I'll
• 16:54
  Speaker 12: pick it up when it comes out.
• 16:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I rented it and then I'm like, yeah, I
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: won't mind owning this at some point. I'm going to
• 17:01
  Speaker 8: have to go back and pick it up because it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 8: It's worth having. It's impressive. People have issues with the
• 17:06
  Speaker 8: end and the alien.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:08
  Speaker 8: I was kind of okay with it.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: I've heard it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: That's the only negative I've kind of heard is the
• 17:13
  Speaker 8: way that the story plays out. But I'm kind of
• 17:15
  Speaker 8: okay with the way they wrap it up. It's different
• 17:18
  Speaker 8: than a lot of blockbusters would. But that's pretty much
• 17:22
  Speaker 8: what I've watched the last few weeks. Fred, are you
• 17:25
  Speaker 8: up for it?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I've actually... You know, with the holidays and stuff,
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of movies. but, um, a bunch
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: of them because at work I've been listening to like
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: some of the, the podcasts. I've been listening to movies
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: that y'all have already talked about.
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: Because we talked about them or, well, yeah, some of.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Them were like recommendations and it's like, Oh yeah, there's
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: that movie. I haven't seen that yet. Um, So, you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I don't have a whole lot to say about some
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of them, because, you know, they've been covered.
• 17:57
  Speaker 8: We've already yammered on.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, I've never seen Escape from New York, and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: you're talking about that. I think it's past the point
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: when I can watch it. I just... I can't believe
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Kurt Russell is a badass. You can't scrub the Disney
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: off of him. You can put him in an eye
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: patch or whatever, but I mean, I just, I'm not
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: buying it. And I don't know, the whole movie is
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: kind of like, it doesn't really want you to buy
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: it that much, because what is it, it's a futuristic
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: movie set in the present?
• 18:29
  Speaker 8: It's like, Is that what it is? In 97 or something?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so it's like now, wait a minute, now?
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: How's it, okay. The problem would be something a few
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: years ahead.
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: And it's also, But even like everything that has happened
• 18:46
  Speaker 9: to lead up to that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Is supposed to have already happened in a way. So
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: it was like an alternate reality. And then like any
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of those movies, I always have trouble when you've got
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: a president. Okay, it's the president. But it's not any president.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: It's like President Henderson.
• 19:05
  Speaker 8: It's the Henderson.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:08
  Speaker 8: I so hope we eventually elect Donald Pleasence. Now, that's
• 19:11
  Speaker 8: going to be harder to do now, but I really
• 19:13
  Speaker 8: want to see him as our president.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you might as well say President Paul because
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: nobody's buying it. It's not going to happen. You know
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: it's not a real thing. And at one point he
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: was driving around in a station wagon with fake wood paneling.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on.
• 19:31
  Speaker 8: That's the future, man. The future is all about wood paneling.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: That's what dysentopian is. Right there. That's exactly. Adrian Barbeau
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: was boobalicious, as always.
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: That's their job.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: So there was that. And then I saw Atlas. Shrugged.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't actually watch it. I just saw it. It
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: was in a box. And you shrugged and we died. Yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I shrugged. Got it. I saw this weird movie. Oh,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I saw Scream 4.
• 20:03
  Speaker 8: We were talking about that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I had to see that.
• 20:06
  Speaker 8: What was your take on it? I guess without totally
• 20:09
  Speaker 8: ruining it in case they didn't listen to our episode.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I thought it was fun. It was fun.
• 20:18
  Speaker 15: I wasn't, you know, the ending, you kind of, you know,
• 20:23
  Speaker 15: they're toying with you they have to come to an
• 20:26
  Speaker 15: ending yeah but the thing that made the ending like
• 20:28
  Speaker 15: sort of feel like.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: They weren't just jerking you around it's like okay you
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: know the new girl couldn't be the new girl she
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: just doesn't have the looks she could not be the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: new girl.
• 20:43
  Speaker 16: I thought she was really good actually just performance wise
• 20:46
  Speaker 16: she was very good but you know she just And
• 20:50
  Speaker 16: I'm not saying the actress doesn't have the looks of,
• 20:53
  Speaker 16: what's her name?
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: What is her name?
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: Neve Campbell.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Neve Campbell.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: I question her look these days.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I thought she looked really good for how old she
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: must be. She's got to be like 300 now.
• 21:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. In Hollywood years, she is.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: But she has like a hypnotic face. I mean, I
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: could watch her face all day. The new girl doesn't
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: have that kind of face or any way they're not
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: showing her that way. They're not making her the new girl.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: You can feel that the filmmakers are not focusing on
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: her the way they would if she was going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: be the new girl.
• 21:30
  Speaker 8: Which is what I faulted it for. And yeah, I
• 21:32
  Speaker 8: won't go into it. Just go back and listen to
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: that episode. But yeah, that's what I called them out for.
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: I think the first three-fourths of it is a pretty
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: passable horror movie. It's fine. It's fun. But that wrap-up
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: shows that they were not committed to making a new
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: or interesting movie. They were just like, oh, and then
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: we have to do it kind of like we always do.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it starts out with energy, and I would say
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: it's sort of like.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: They just half-ass it by the end. It's like they
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: could have done something new and original, and they just
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: sort of do what they always do.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: I think the errors that I saw in it, the
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: first biggest error is that the movie geeks were the
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: cool ones.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: Not going to happen.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What world is that? It definitely was weird.
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: And that everyone, even the cops, were aware. That seemed
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: over the top. Having one or two characters that were
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: aware of the situation is fun. When everyone is commenting on, well,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: what's going to happen if I do this?
• 22:27
  Speaker 8: Well, and everyone was schooled on it, too.
• 22:29
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: No random cop is going to have every cliched 80s
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: movie line in his Rolodex. Again, they were playing for
• 22:39
  Speaker 8: laughs with those two characters. But still, it does seem
• 22:43
  Speaker 8: a little convenient for their plot to make everybody know
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: all about horror movies all the time.
• 22:48
  Speaker 9: It's another one of those points where they try to combine.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Comedy and horror. And the two don't go together. You
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: can't laugh at.
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: Something and then have that adrenaline rush of fear at
• 23:01
  Speaker 9: the same time.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: I suppose it's possible. It's incredibly rare.
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: It's rare that it works.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, it almost never works.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: It might work once out of a thousand times.
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: They give a lot of lip service to that.
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: There's this thin line between horror and comedy, but usually
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: it's rotten.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I still have a lot of fun with it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: There are good fun horror films.
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: Again, it was a lot of fun, but yeah, that
• 23:24
  Speaker 8: was my problem with it, the way they wrapped it up.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun to watch. So then I was
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: flipping around Netflix, and I watched this thing called Lonely Hearts.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen that?
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: It sounds like a forgettable title.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It's like James Gandolfini. It's like Tony Soprano and John Travolta.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: Is he taking care of some girl? Is it one
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: of those recent ones?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: No, they're like detectives in the 40s investigating the Lonely
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Hearts killers. And I was a little scared of it
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: because it said it was a docudrama.
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, what is that?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And then another description said it was like a steamy thriller.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, no.
• 24:05
  Speaker 11: Oh, no.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: Gandolfini making out with Travolta.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: But then I thought, wait a minute. No, wait a minute. Actually,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: it's Erotic Masterpiece is the Kiss of Death. Oh. That's
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: what they say. That's not good. They've got nothing going
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: for them at all. It's an erotic masterpiece. But this
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: was just like a steamy thriller. I thought I'll watch it.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: And I start watching it, and like right off the bat,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it's great. It's okay. It's, like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it's stylish. They've got, like, a good period look. It's
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a little noir-ish, but they're not, like, you know, ridiculous
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: with it. And it was really pretty good. Then Jared
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Leto is, like, is, like, this murderous. Yeah, Jordan Catalano is, like,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: this murderous gigolo who, like, picks up. lonely women through
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: ads and murders them for their money. And then he
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: runs into, uh, Frida. Um, Selma.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And she just immediately pegs him. She's like, Oh, you're that.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And so they sort of team up and they become
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: like what this was like an actual, uh, Midwestern murder thing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 8: That sounds interesting, whether or not they do a good job.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that bad, and there was, like, a little
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: girl actress in it who was, like, super good. I mean,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: just if you want to get into the horror of, like,
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: a real murder series, the little kid just sells the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: whole movie, and that's, you know. I mean, it wasn't
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: a great movie, but it was really watchable and it
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was kind of fun. I was surprised, you know, when
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: you're just flipping around and, and the advertising for it
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: did not do it justice. The advertising was like, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: I think we started to watch something else and gave up.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And so our standards were pretty low going into it. Uh,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: so that was pretty good. And, uh, Then I was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: watching with my wife a movie called Water for Elephants.
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: Which we have some loving statements on this show in
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: the past episodes.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Really? I didn't hear that. Lucy had maybe one of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: the greatest lines ever.
• 26:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you don't remember Lucy's loving comments about Reese Witherspoon?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember the Reese Witherspoon thing, yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: It was in conjunction with that movie.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the kind of a movie that I just
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: can't watch anymore. I mean, I just, it is a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: kind of a movie because it's kind of a fantasy
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that takes you to, but the way you get there
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: is just such bullshit that I can't get past like
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: the first five minutes of the movie. Because in the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: beginning of the movie, there's this kid. He's like, he's
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: going to become a veterinarian. He's going to take his test.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Somehow he's sitting there to take his test. next to
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: his bride-to-be. Is she taking the fucking test, too? Why
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: is she there? I guess maybe she is. But then,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: as he's sitting down to take the test, he gets
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the news that his parents are dead.
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: And that he's a vampire.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Or a fiend.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the weird, that was the confusing thing is
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he was Edward, but everybody's calling him the other guy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: What the hell?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He's Jacob. I don't know.
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: He can only make those movies, damn it.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know what team this guy's on anymore.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Team Jimmy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Team something. But, yeah, this kind of movie, it always
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: has a bit of the orphan fantasy to it. I'm
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: classing it with movies like Memoirs of a Geisha or...
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Or even, and I don't know who I'll piss off
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: with this, but Dances with Wolves. Guy had no history,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: no family, no nothing. He's just, and then he wants
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to see the West before it's gone because he's fucking psychic.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: He can see everything that's going to happen in the future.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: But it's a little bit of the orphan fantasy. And
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: then he finds out his parents died. And there's no
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: money because his father put all his money into sending
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: him to veterinary school. And then he says, so I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: didn't see the point in taking the test. What? What?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: How can you not see the fucking point of taking
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the fucking test? You've gone through veterinary school. You've got
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: to take the test. Your father put everything, his whole
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: life into it. And you're like, nah.
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: And your parents also sold their hair to buy you
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: this golden clip to buy you the test.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: And then, for some reason, the woman he wants to
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: marry is sitting there at the table where he's taking
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: the test, and it's like, ah, fuck her. And then
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: he does that to run away and join the circus
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: or something. I don't know.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: It's not my kind of movie. Like you do in
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: an orphan fantasy.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: It is not my kind of movie. There is a
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: scene in it where the bad guy, I swear to God,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: he goes into a train car with an elephant.
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: It's a.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Sentimental kind of romantic fantasy, and the bad guy is
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: cruel to the circus animals. Was this still Water for Elephants?
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Okay. Water for Elephants.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: He's a Nazi if we're going with our previous movies.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's a Nazi.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: You can't trust this guy.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And he's still sort of like, where's the Nazi in
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: this role? He goes into like a stopped train car
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: with this elephant. He's going in there to beat it up?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: what in the dark he shuts the door.
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: That elephant was talking shit i mean come on is.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: This shit that's an elephant i know a guy who
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: was beat.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Up at the louisville zoo by an elephant What did
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: he do in there?
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. Why would he do
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: it in the pitch dark? You go into a... I
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: don't know. I cannot watch this kind of stuff. I'm
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: staying as far away from this. I don't know.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I'm strangely drawn to it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the way everybody sold it now.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Lucy described it as... It was something like.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: She's much more eloquent than I am, but it was
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: like two hours of tedium, occasionally interrupted by violence to animals.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.
• 30:28
  Speaker 8: I believe that is how she put it.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: All about her discussion of this movie.
• 30:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: What a warning it was.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: You were not listening.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Speaking as a pet owner, I could get behind that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: God.
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: Maybe I'll just show it to my animal. Hey, dog,
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: sit down. I want to show you something.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: You want to invite Greg some more? Watch this. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: I can't watch anything remotely like that movie. I just can't.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I just sit there and make nasty remarks, and my
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: daughter gets mad.
• 30:59
  Speaker 8: It's not good.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: So then I watched a lot of movies. Yeah, you did.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I watched Everything Must Go, which is Will Ferrell. It's
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a comedy about a guy who's struggling with alcoholism who
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: loses his job, and his wife leaves him. Oh, it's funny. Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: it's so funny. I mean, it really is, in a way,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: it's based on, like, I noticed as it came up,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: it's like it's based on a Raymond Carver story called
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Why Don't You Dance? And I'm like, that's the one
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: where they put everything out on the yard, yeah, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: the kids come by and he's like, why don't you dance?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: And he's drinking. And it's great. And it's like, how
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: are they going to make that into a movie? And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: they do. It's not really that much like the story,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: but they find stuff and it's pretty good. I think
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it goes a little off track near the end. There
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: are some things in it that don't quite Make a
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: whole lot of sense.
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: Do you buy Will Ferrell in that role?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I do. There are not many people I buy in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: the world of Raymond Carver. I watched that Short Cuts,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: and I was really frustrated by it. But I thought, like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Lily Tomlin and Tom Waits.
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: Yep.
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: Oh man, they were.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Believable as the people that inhabit that Carver world. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Will Ferrell, I did buy. You know, he looks like
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Raymond Carver a little bit. I'd like to see him
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: do more Raymond Carver stuff. He was pretty good.
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: He has potential to be a good serious actor. I've
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: only seen it in like one movie, but it's gotten
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: to the point they've built up his career so much
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: on these goofy comedies that He's almost painting himself in
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: that corner that no matter how serious the movie is,
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: nobody's going to take you seriously.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Leslie Nielsen.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah, straight out of that deck of cards.
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: At the same time, part of me doesn't want to
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: see him play a completely serious role.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 9: He is excellent at the weird comedy, the awkward comedy.
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: It's a very niche spot for him to be in.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Even if he might be pegging himself into the role, because.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: He looks like the guy who could be uncomfortable in
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a lazy boy.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Leave it to... man you've seen this movie.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: No I have not that.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Sounds a lot like this movie.
• 33:32
  Speaker 18: But it's just this is my perception for the longest
• 33:36
  Speaker 18: time I had a big problem with Will Ferrell because
• 33:40
  Speaker 18: of that aspect that he just I watched him and
• 33:43
  Speaker 18: he made me.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Uncomfortable in a lazy boy and I'm twitching and maybe
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: it was the coffee but um Dunder Muck.
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: But anyway you just you watch him and you kind
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: of see that and Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: That was a great movie. It probably was, but I
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: couldn't get through it. I tried. And yes, he wasn't
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: really completely straight because he kind of had that humor
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that comes along with extreme depression. That kind of black humor.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: That's fantastic. You know the way they say the people
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: in AA tend to have more fun than the people
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: who are like, what's the support group for the families
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: of alcoholics.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah and it's not really fair yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: The al-anon you'd think it ought but no that's a
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: lot worse the people in aa are still kind of
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: having fun and that's there's some of this and he's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: still kind of a funny guy although you know his
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: life has just turned to crap um And it's really
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: pretty good. Anything Tom Waits is in, I love. He
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: was in Short Cuts, which was all based on Raymond
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Carver's stories. And I like the story so much, I
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: don't know if I can see the movie fairly. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: really hated the movie. I didn't believe most of the
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: people in the movie. It didn't feel like the Carver stories.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: And Carver has these endings, which are sort of unresolved,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: but they just bring you to it. peak and and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: they didn't really do that they just they threw in
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: every carver story you could think of sort of meshed
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: them all together and then and this was you know
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: but and then they just had an earthquake at the
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: end and random act of violence and it didn't make
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: any sense to me it was really frustrating The portions
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of it were... What I love, it was pretty good,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and it is the Baker.
• 35:55
  Speaker 8: He's a pretty good actor.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: He's pretty good, but.
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: He doesn't get respect for it, but he's good.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: But mainly it was Tom Waits and Willie Tomlin. I
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: just wanted to see them do the whole movie. But yeah,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: it's worth seeing. It's definitely... It's kind of funny in
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: that sort of desperate, alcoholic, messed up... Speaking of that...
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of fun... Has anyone seen the movie Wrist Cutters?
• 36:23
  Speaker 11: No.
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: It's been a while, but I have.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It is wonderful. I love it.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: But I'm also the type of person... I'm that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: Miserable son of a bitch who just wants to see
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: the hero of the picture suffer and suffer and then
• 36:37
  Speaker 9: suffer some more and then overcome but get back slapped
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: and suffer even more than that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: But it's basically the whole story is.
• 36:46
  Speaker 9: This is what happens... when people kill themselves. And they
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: go to a world that's just like this. You have
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: to have a job. You have to, it's a real
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: happy story.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: It's like purgatory, but purgatory is pretty.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Damn close to hell. Well, the only difference is no
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: one smiles. That's all. They just can't smile.
• 37:06
  Speaker 9: But, and I really, I watch it and I don't
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: understand why someone can't smile because I'm cracking up. There
• 37:14
  Speaker 9: was this wonderful Russian guy who, I think he was
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: a real Russian, And he drove this piece of shit
• 37:21
  Speaker 9: car with a vortex under the front seat.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: It was a vortex. It was a black hole to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: another universe.
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: And they drive around the entire movie. And the guy,
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: it's his only friend. And he looks at the guy.
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: He goes, where's the map? He goes, map fell in
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: a hole.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And it's just, you look.
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: And then he points down and looks under the seat.
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: And there's this gaping black vortex. And it just kind
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: of goes through the entire movie. And believe it or not,
• 37:50
  Speaker 9: it plays a point later on. If you've seen the movie,
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: you understand. I can't give that.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Away, why the vortex is there, but it's kind of important.
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: And Tom Waits plays what is basically a cult leader
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: in the land.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Of the recent suicides. And there's some authority.
• 38:14
  Speaker 8: What was it?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: People in charge? Is that what it was called?
• 38:17
  Speaker 8: Yes. It's been a while, something like that.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I highly recommend it.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: It was a wonderful movie.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: What's the name again? Wrist Cutters.
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: It's at least an interesting premise.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:28
  Speaker 8: I know other people I've heard have had issues with
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: where it goes. But I think, yeah, if nothing else,
• 38:33
  Speaker 8: just the idea of the story is kind of interesting.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I enjoy that the ending was.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to give it away.
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: The ending was good, but I was kind of expecting
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: it to be just a little different.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I wanted more suffering and blood
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and tears.
• 38:51
  Speaker 8: I imagine that for me.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to sharpen my talents on something. Alright, well,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: one more recommendation from the podcast I saw, Steakland. Which
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: was great.
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: A fun-filled adventure for a whole family.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just a blast. I really enjoyed it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: It's well made.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: The conversation about it roped me in. It's like, I've
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: got to see that, so. I saw it, and it
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: was like, it's strange to me how, well, I ordered
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: it on Netflix, but Blockbuster doesn't carry it anywhere. The
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: guy told me none of their stores. Why?
• 39:28
  Speaker 8: It was not a huge release.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Release. It's a good movie. And it kind of has
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that intensity like a European intellectual thriller. It's like they
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: really get hold of the mood and the atmosphere and
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the style. And you can tell from the opening shot.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It took a while to find a really good opening shot. So,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: you know, you can kind of trust him and you do.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: It's really good. Acting is good.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I liked almost the entire movie. I liked everything about
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: it except the voiceovers of him talking all the time
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: about what's happening and where we're going and what we're doing.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: They seemed to go on forever. It was a lot.
• 40:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess they could have taken a few of
• 40:12
  Speaker 8: those out.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some of them were kind of unnecessary, and they
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: sort of like helped you figure out where you were
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: when maybe it would have been better not to. Right.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: And I think they were fine with, you know, he
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: would say stuff like, when we had to go look
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: for food, well, you're showing it, so don't tell me
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: about it. And there were so many other characters in
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: that family that were with them that they just rushed over.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: They just showed them walking with them, but.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Never gave them.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: A few minutes of dialogue, a few words that could
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: have just told us more about them instead of the
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: boy telling more.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: But otherwise, it was fantastic. It was a great movie.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Especially for virtually independent film.
• 40:55
  Speaker 8: Yeah, pretty low budget, and I mean, again, it doesn't show. Like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: they've got such a consistent look and feel to the
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: visuals that, yeah, it's impressive that I'm pretty sure it
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: was made for a pretty small budget.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: It's like, if you all haven't seen it, Did you
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: see The Road?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: I'm familiar with the book.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: It's like The Road with vampires.
• 41:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I said it was a mixture of Zombieland and
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: The Road.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: The complete polar opposites of cinema. It's somewhere in the
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: middle there. Leaning more towards The Road.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I might have to look for that. It's very depressing,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: but it's well-made.
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's good.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a fun thing to watch. So, catching
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: up on some movies.
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: I'd say so.
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you did.
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: Greg, are you up?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: I haven't had an opportunity to see a lot since
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: the last time I recorded.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I've been working too much.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I did see Red State. I'm not going to talk
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: too much about it because I know Brian hasn't seen
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: all of it.
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah, Netflix jacked up. It wouldn't finish playing, so that's
• 42:02
  Speaker 8: not my fault.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: You know, it sets itself up as a movie with
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: kind of a twist. Oh, you think this is going
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: to happen and this happens. Well, curveball, curveball, curveball, curveball.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody else has seen it. Red State.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't even think, looking at it, that it was
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: a Kevin Smith film.
• 42:21
  Speaker 8: That's what he said for years now. I want to
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: make something else. I've made nothing but these same movies.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: And you can tell that he's... If you've ever had
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: soup by someone who's a chef, and soup by someone
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: who might be a.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say a baker. They can
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: do baking really well.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: You can tell he's just, well, I like humans, so
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I'm going to throw that in. And he intentionally is
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: playing with you. You can see that he's intentionally playing
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: with you. There's things that you're like, I didn't see
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: that coming, or I can't believe you're going down this path.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: And he has a lot of fun with it, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: you can tell that he's matured. But, yeah, it wasn't
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: what I... I even thought, oh, this is going to
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: be different than what I think it's going to be,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: and it still wasn't what.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be. What's it about?
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I've not heard of it.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: A couple of guys, high school kids are wanting to
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: have sex. Like any, you know, it's almost set up
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: as a raunchy, you know, team, and they find some woman.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: a middle-aged.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Woman online that lives in a trailer and they're going
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: to go, she said that she's going to, it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: Sounds like a great idea.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And they, it sounds like porkies.
• 43:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it is.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it's set up as. And it
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: turns out that she is with a, um, a cult. Oh,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: you know, it becomes fundamentalist.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: It becomes very heavy, religious, that she was baiting them
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: into coming. And then it, It just keeps going and going.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And things happen that you're like, oh. So it's an
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: interesting watch. It's not perfect. It's definitely not perfect, but
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: it's fun. It would spark a good conversation, several of them,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I have to see that. I did my time in
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the South.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: I remember a very similar night that I had that
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: I'm not going to elaborate on.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:35
  Speaker 8: We don't want to hear it, I don't think.
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: No, you don't want to.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But it ended kind of the same way. It was really... No,
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it didn't end this way. It was not good. I'm
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: going to hope that.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I've not seen this movie.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Thundermuck.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: Just keep saying that.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Just keep saying that. Let's see, what else did I see?
• 44:56
  Speaker 9: Um.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say this just because it's fun to
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: say it and because we do so much horror movies
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: on the show.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: With my kids, I watched.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're all familiar with the Fred movies.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: This is Fred 2, The Night of Living Fred.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Where he... What network is this? Nickelodeon.
• 45:16
  Speaker 8: It's a kids-themed thing.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: He believes his new neighbor... He's the guy from the internet.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy from the internet. He believes his
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: new neighbor is a vampire. So there's a lot of
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: fright night in it. There's a lot of, they've done
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: their homework.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: They know what they're doing.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of, uh, homages to other horror movies.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: And it, yeah, it's a kid's movie, but, um, they
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: do it right. I mean, they, they spoof the, um,
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: the Twilight films and, and do a good job of
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: making fun of it. Um, even so much so that
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: his rival even looks like Edward Ness.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And it's fun.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, and I wouldn't normally recommend it, but for
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: people especially that are horror fans and if you have kids,
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: it's a fun way to introduce that kind of stuff
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: So my kids had a ball with it, and, I mean.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Lines like the neighbor has invited him over for dinner.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: He's going in to slay the neighbor. And the kid's
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: broadcasting on his website as he's doing it. And the
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: neighbor's having him dig up what they're going to eat
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: for dinner. And the guy, he's screaming that.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to have to eat dead bodies. And
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: he says, what is this anyway? And he says, we're
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: going to eat kimchi.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: And the kids going on and on about this Asian
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: girl that they're going to have to eat.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: It's a good time. God, that stuff is.
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: Awful.
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: Dead people?
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Because I beg to differ. I'm not a big fan
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: of Soylent Green myself, but kimchi is delicious.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: It depends on how you spice it up. It's all
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: about the seasoning.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And then last night I went to a midnight showing
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: of the Addams Family.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: And it's been.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Since, you know, 20 years since it was released that
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: I've seen it.
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: I guess it has because Christina Ricci is pretty old now.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the comedy is still good.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: You know, the guy that I went with, we remarked
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: afterwards that it was a lot darker than I had
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: remembered it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a pretty dark movie. It very much is.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: And I think it would have been much more slapstick,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: much more stupid had they released it now.
• 47:53
  Speaker 17: Yeah, probably.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Back then it was, you know, the worst part of
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: the movie is the MC Hammer stuff.
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: Oh, of course.
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: But....
• 48:04
  Speaker 8: I don't remember being as thrilled with that one. I
• 48:06
  Speaker 8: liked the second one.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Family values.
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: Because they focused that whole.
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Trip to the summer camp thing again because it's Christina
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Ricci and she's to me the funniest thing in that
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: movie in both movies really but it focuses that whole
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: other plot line on her and that part is hilarious
• 48:24
  Speaker 8: like that makes me like that movie way more than
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: I even liked the first one.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah I love Christina Ricci in the first one but
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I was so disappointed in Morticia every time they did
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that it's like first they did Angelica Houston who's a
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: great actress but she doesn't have the sex yeah And
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: then they, Daryl Hannah?
• 48:44
  Speaker 20: Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: What? That's why those were straight to DVD.
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: What?
• 48:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, they needed that chick Lilith from Cheers. Oh, yeah.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: I mean, she was her.
• 48:54
  Speaker 10: Yeah, she was.
• 48:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, Julia.
• 49:00
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: He was at the top of his game. He was wonderful.
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: He was great.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: He was doing his best work.
• 49:04
  Speaker 8: That is perfect casting, man.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: And again, my favorite part, I don't know why I
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: even forgot about it, but when they put on the
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: play and.
• 49:13
  Speaker 11: Hamlet.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember that. That, you know, I don't know
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: why I even forgot about it, but I was.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: giggling.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I had tears in my eyes. I was laughing so much.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Most of my childhood trying to recreate.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: That, but yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: So, I think it might be because, you know, when
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I saw it, I was in high school. I had
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: classes on Hamlet, you know, We had an entire semester
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: of him in college.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And so, I don't know.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: Having kids really, and I think maybe having kids now myself,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I can see all.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Of that happening. I wish he hadn't brought that up.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: I just have one question about Adam's family values. What
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: did she do with the boyfriend at the end?
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: They left it up.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: They left it kind of up in the air. It's
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: really your own personal interpretation.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Did anybody else get that?
• 50:12
  Speaker 8: It's been a long time since I've seen it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I don't remember. Because I think she killed him. Which
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: is funny.
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Well, there was that brief.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: They.
• 50:24
  Speaker 21: Didn't completely show it, but there was just a moment
• 50:28
  Speaker 21: where after they all meet back up and they've gone
• 50:31
  Speaker 21: trick-or-treating and it's a happy ending.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: And they all depart from Wednesday. And then this little
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Jewish boy. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: And then she just does a small.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Movement in the graveyard. And the hand of the stepmother
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: comes up and grabs his leg.
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: Cut.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Right. Yeah.
• 50:55
  Speaker 6: That's right.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it would follow. I was surprised. And this
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: is another reason why I said it was so dark.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: You know, the two kids are standing in the graveyard
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: at the end, next to the graves, and the accountant
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: and the mother both fall into the coffins. And, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: it's a funny scene. But he says, are they dead?
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: And she says, does it matter? And they start burying them.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: You know, that's dark shit. They killed them. It doesn't matter.
• 51:25
  Speaker 8: They killed them.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: And it's all a big deal. We made it.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: We won.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: We killed them. Yeah. You know, speaking of Hamlet and kids,
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I blocked this out. This was a traumatic event. I
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: tried to watch Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet with my kids. Hamlet Fest.
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: Tried to.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I tried to watch it, and I was so looking
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: forward to it. I was like, oh, this is awesome.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: All these kids are coming over. We're going to watch Hamlet.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: It was like I wanted to kill somebody.
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: 10, 15 minutes into it. I'm just, well, you know,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: you watch something with somebody, you kind of do that
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Vulcan mind meld where you become an audience together. And like,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: if you've ever watched like a movie that you think
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: is like really funny with somebody who's just not getting it,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: you know how you just start feeling hostile toward them.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: What's the matter with you? This is fun. You're ruining it.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm watching Hamlet with my kids and they're like,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: My daughter's boyfriend is like playing a game on his phone.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: He's angry birds. And then they're like talking through the
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: speak the speech. And I'm just like, what's the matter
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: with you people? What is wrong with you? You're idiots.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And they're like, but I can feel how it's coming
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: across to them, which is like it's complicated. They can't
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: follow it. It's like, it's going to, they don't, they're
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: not getting it, and they're sort of bored. If you
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: don't love Hamlet before you see that, you're going to
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: hate it. It was just disgusting, and I just wanted
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: to kill somebody.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Did anyone know they made another Macbeth movie?
• 53:05
  Speaker 9: And I believe it might be an Australian production, because, well,
• 53:09
  Speaker 9: my wife is a school teacher, and she was cruising
• 53:14
  Speaker 9: through their library and found this new copy that the
• 53:18
  Speaker 9: librarian had just ordered of Macbeth.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: And they kind of did.
• 53:22
  Speaker 9: It the way Baz Luhrmann redid Romeo and Juliet with
• 53:28
  Speaker 9: Leonardo DiCaprio. And there's guns, it's modern times. Oh, was
• 53:34
  Speaker 9: it Ethan Hawke?
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that now. And, well, the only problem
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: is witches are really hot. And kind of naked through
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: half the movie. Which it should be.
• 53:46
  Speaker 9: Well, that's true, but that's really good when it's not
• 53:49
  Speaker 9: at a high school. At a high school's library. So
• 53:53
  Speaker 9: I think after she saw that, I don't believe that
• 53:56
  Speaker 9: movie will be seeing the high school.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think she can watch the old one either,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the 70s one by, what's his name, the girl raper guy. Oh, yes.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: As he's known now. He illegally changed his name.
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: Exactly.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: It was like that's a list by Playboy and there
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: was just something sick and smutty about it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: It was weird.
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: He had it really rough. Charles Manson kills his wife.
• 54:24
  Speaker 9: Then he gets sent off for raping children.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: He said he, yeah, he had it kind of rough.
• 54:29
  Speaker 9: Not that I'm reaching out to child rapers by any stretch.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Of the imagination, for the record. Although, if they want
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: to sponsor the trial, they've got money to spend.
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm a pretty big whore, but I
• 54:45
  Speaker 8: don't even know if I can get on board with
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: that one.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Sponsored by Child Rapers Union State.
• 54:52
  Speaker 9: Do you ever just type in people's names, you know,
• 54:55
  Speaker 9: in the National Sex Offender Registry?
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Anybody have that hobby? I don't know. I'd rather not.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: It's not forfeit. You knew where I lived already. What
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: the hell? God.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I'm actually his parole officer.
• 55:13
  Speaker 8: You were legally bound to be here tonight.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I think if you were going to show a Shakespearean...
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I think Richard III would.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Work well for, you know, late teens. I love that
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: one when I saw it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Brown is like a great one because it's the full thing,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: but then they splice in those, like, little smooching scenes.
• 55:39
  Speaker 13: Like, you know, they want to be sure you get
• 55:41
  Speaker 13: the idea that Ophelia's probably pregnant, which, you know, is
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: kind of, at least it's sort of in the text, unlike,
• 55:49
  Speaker 13: you know, that Oedipus stuff that.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: What's his name? Lawrence Olivier didn't like me. I was like, oh,
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it's Oedipus now. But I never found anything in the
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: play that suggests anything like that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 6: It's just Freud.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Me and Freud.
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: So does that round out the geeky?
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think thoroughly.
• 56:11
  Speaker 8: We think we should at this point.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: We've been talking for over an hour now. Get used
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: to it. We don't shut up. I know. I've listened.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: We'll give them a break. We'll take a break.
• 56:24
  Speaker 8: And we'll be back with this week's Grand Question of
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: the Week.
• 56:29
  Speaker 22: So there was this dude named Hamlet. He was fancied
• 56:31
  Speaker 22: quite the guy until his big fat jerk-faced uncle metaphorically
• 56:34
  Speaker 22: punched him in the eye. That he took a vial
• 56:37
  Speaker 22: of poison and poured it down his daddy's ear was
• 56:39
  Speaker 22: the butt of all of his suspicion and the source
• 56:41
  Speaker 22: of all his fear. He was doing kind of okay
• 56:44
  Speaker 22: until this ghost came by one night and said, Hey boy,
• 56:47
  Speaker 22: I'm your daddy and your uncle killed me. Don't let
• 56:48
  Speaker 22: me go without a fight. So with a couple of
• 56:50
  Speaker 22: friends in the forest and his sword stuck in the ground,
• 56:53
  Speaker 22: he swore he'd kill his uncle and turn it all around.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: Projectionist, stop the show. Here's great news you ought to know.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: We've just got a shipment of taste-thrilled treats, all tip-top
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: quality and delicious eats.
• 57:18
  Speaker 6: There are hot.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Dogs and popcorn and candy galore. There's soft drinks and
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: coffee and a whole lot more. So direct your steps
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: to our refreshment stand to enjoy the finest snacks in
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: all the land.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Imagine the perfect video store.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: It would have a great selection, right?
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Right!
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: Over 10,000 videos. Three evening rounds, so no rush, no hassle.
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: Fast checkout. 24-hour quick drop return. Open late every night.
• 57:52
  Speaker 17: Well, the perfect video store.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Welcome to Blockbuster Video.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Is popping up all over the country.
• 58:00
  Speaker 17: There's one near you.
• 58:02
  Speaker 19: Blockbuster Video.
• 58:04
  Speaker 11: Wow, what a difference.
• 58:07
  Speaker 10: Listen and understand that Metal Mikey is out there. It
• 58:11
  Speaker 10: can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear. And it absolutely
• 58:19
  Speaker 10: will not stop.
• 58:21
  Speaker 17: Ever.
• 58:22
  Speaker 10: Until you are an Action Attraction fan. Action Attraction. Your
• 58:27
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• 58:34
  Speaker 10: Or search for Action Attraction in iTunes.
• 58:40
  Speaker 23: It's intermission time and it's fun time here at the
• 58:43
  Speaker 23: Garland Road Drive-In Theater.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: Raise your right hand.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: And repeat after me. We are drive-in mutants. We are
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: not like other people.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: We are sick. We are disgusted.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: We believe in blood. In breasts.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: And in beasts this is joe bob briggs and you're
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: listening to movie meltdown as long.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: As one drive-in remains.
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: On the planet earth.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: We will party like jungle animals we will boogie till
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: we puke The drive-in will never die.
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: Amen.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: answered in the movies.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: And now, on with the show.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: I don't care what it costs.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 18: This changes the world. You can watch a movie as
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 18: many times as you want from your house.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: People want to be able to pee.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 19: During Braveheart and not miss the battle scene.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 10: That's what we're offering.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 18: You can't hit pause at a movie theater.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: We guarantee your movie will be in stock.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 6: You have three copies of the Mr.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 12: Bean movie?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Hundred.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Three hundred copies.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Magnetic Video's been doing this long before you. I invented
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: the home theater empire, you thief!
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 10: Do you know what's cooler than renting a video from
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: a store having been delivered to your house?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: How is that even possible?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Barry, these are movies, not pizza. You can't charge someone
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: $ 236 for a $ 10 movie.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 12: You can't.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: Return Clueless 10 months late without a late fee.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: Math doesn't lie, Daryl.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Blockbuster doesn't have any money. What have you done? All right,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: we're back.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 8: And it is time for the grind. If you're not familiar,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: this segment we discuss a specific topic or question related
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: to movies. And as often as possible, we'd like the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: suggestions for this segment to come from you, the listener.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you're slacking off.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 8: But if you have any things you would like to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: throw out there for us to discuss, email them to
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 8: geeks at movie meltdown dot com and we'll throw them
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 8: into the mix potentially for a future episode.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: Now, this week's question for the grind comes from, well, me, actually,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: because you guys are slacking.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 8: But, actually, mostly it's based on a real-world incident that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: just happened a couple of weeks ago, and it sort
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 8: of made me want to address this. So, basically, this
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: fell into a really bad situation that I try to avoid, which.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Is going to a blockbuster.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 8: So... First of all, I was looking for a movie
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 8: specifically for an upcoming episode of the show, so I
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 8: kind of had to find it, and I was trying
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 8: to go.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: About it the best possible way, so I was going
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: with our.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: We do have a pretty awesome local independent video store,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 8: so I went there first, as I usually would go, and...
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 8: they didn't have it after looking for like a half
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 8: an hour through all the different sections.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I thought it might.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 8: Potentially be because this movie falls into a lot of categories. Um,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: I found out they at one point had.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Had it, but they sold it off because they're doing
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: that now.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 8: Because at this point, if somebody will give them money
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 8: for a movie, take it and give us some cash
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: because that's how video stores are kind of going at
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 8: this point. So, I was like, all right, I don't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 8: blame them. You take the money when you can.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: So I was like, damn it, I guess I have
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: to go to Blockbuster.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 8: And we're, I guess, one of the few places in
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 8: the world left that still has a functioning Blockbuster. I
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 8: can't understand why, but there's still one down the street.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: So I went there. Oh, my God, it was so sad.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Has anybody been in one?
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 8: Again, I didn't actively go in them for a long
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: time because they kind of suck, but wow, it was...
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: desolate it was just empty like their their shelves like.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: I remember when we first started.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 8: Getting dvds in the in the vhs world and you'd
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: have that little rack of like tan over there it
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 8: was kind of like that only at your whole store
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: everything was sort of like faced out and flipped over.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: And like there was just there was no stock.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 8: Of anything I mean, all they've ever had is new releases,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 8: but again, I was looking for a movie that was
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: 30 years old, and I was like, yeah, I knew
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: it was, I walked in, I was just like, oh,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 8: this is a waste of my time, and yeah, they
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 8: didn't have anything. Like, granted, it's Blockbuster, I didn't expect much,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: but It was amazing how just empty and sad that
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 8: place was. It's pretty bad anyway just being in a blockbuster.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: The time I would still go to blockbuster is if
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: you're looking for the movie that just came out this
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: week and they have like a dozen of them. Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 8: Which is what they started to bank on as years
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: went by. That's all they stocked was 50 of the
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 8: newest movie and didn't bother carrying any older movies because
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 8: who would watch an old movie?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: God forbid.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 9: So.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, just walking around there looking at that system
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: falling apart basically prompted this week's session, which is just
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 8: a general discussion about the changes in the system, the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: home video market, specifically the effects of the actual brick-and-mortar
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: video stores disappearing, what's taking their place, and the effects
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: of all of that on the industry and on the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 8: geek culture that we're a part of.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, the.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: crew that we have on hand here, I think everyone
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: sitting here actually remembers a time when there were a
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: lot of video stores. In fact, a lot of mom
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 8: and pop video stores. Some even remember a time of
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: yore when maybe there weren't video stores. And God forbid
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: you couldn't even find a movie, but we won't even
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: acknowledge that time ever existed.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: So....
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 8: We'll pretend like all we remember is this era. So again,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: a lot of us grew up in that time period
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: or at least spent a good portion of our lives
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: exposed to this outlet of this being able to go
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: and get a movie at the store.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: It was part of our lives.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 8: So in general, I guess, what do you think about
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 8: the disappearance of this part of your life?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Well... I like it that we still have Wild and Woolly.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that is our local independent video store.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: It's great to have. I remember sort of a midway point.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't really as far back in time as you
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: might think, but it was like a little bit outside
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: the sphere of civilization. Like when we first bought our
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: house for a haul, we were living outside of Louisville, Texas,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: while I was working on the house, and we had
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: little babies and stuff, and I was, like, doing the floors.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: But this was when I started to, like, form an
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: idea of the earmarks of civilization, the signs that you're
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: living in a civilized terrain. And one of them back
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: then was that they had a video store where the
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: videos were in alphabetical order. Because this place, they weren't
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: in order. They were just all over the place. They
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: made no effort. Later they instituted categories, and I found
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Hamlet once in action pictures, and I just pictured the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: kid going, well, it was probably an action picture when
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: it came out back in the 1500s or sword fight.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: This has Mel Gibson in it.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: Action.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: And it was right next to a bakery that– Never
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: had chocolate donuts. And I know there are all kinds
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: of other donuts. There's stuff with jelly and cream. But,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: you know. If the chocolate donuts are gone every day
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: by the time I get up, because I don't get
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: up at 7 in the morning to go out and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: get donuts, wouldn't you at some point start baking more
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: of them?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: You just have to get up.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I would think if that's, you know, you can sell those.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: Those are going to be gone every day. At what
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: point do you say, I'm going to chase what the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: market wants? But that's, I guess, what this discussion is about.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago when people would just not
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: pay for music. But it was like really the delivery
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: system made it viable that people will pay if it's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: convenient enough. So I guess my thought on it is like,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen, really.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: I'm a little distressed.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: I love the convenience of the movies that I am
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: able to get. I know I've talked about it, and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: I know, Brian, I've heard you talk about the loss
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: of being able to go into a place and browse.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 24: That's gone or will be for the next generation I
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 24: was just talking with a friend of mine last night
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 24: that went to grade school and stuff like that and
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 24: we would ride our bikes to the movie store and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 24: we would just look through during the summer we would
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 24: look through and have it.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: It was a mom and pop movie place that was
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: I never had to go past a major road or
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: near a major road to get to it And I
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: could go and browse forever and find something that I'd
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: never heard of and look to meet on the front
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: box and I would take it home and watch it.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: And that to me was the epitome to me of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: what movies were to find something I've never heard of.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: And just by reading the back or the recommendation of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: the guy at the counter to find something good. And
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: that's part of the reason why I worked at a,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: specialty movie store because.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: I had access to that.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: I had access to the Bible of films that we
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: could get in that other people couldn't. And we could
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: get it in and buy and use my.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Employee discount on to get a movie.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 8: Back when you would special order something for someone because
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: there was no other way to get it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: There was no other way to get it.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: There was no internet or what it was was so,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: you know, a mess and in its infancy at that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 8: point that you couldn't just go order something.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: Even that seems like foreign to kids now. I mean,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: to have to go order something. And now it's either
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: something that they've released that you can get for nothing.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: Or something that you can get at Redbox, or something
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: that you have to special order. And it's getting harder
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: and harder online to even special order those things because
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: nobody's putting them out anymore.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: So there's a void of film.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: I remember people coming in, and Harvey was a film
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: that people would come into the video.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Store that I worked at, and they would tell me
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: about it. And I was like, this sounds fantastic. it's
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: not in print.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: This sounds, you know, and they would, they would, I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: had four and five people that would once a month
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: come in and is this going to, is this going
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: to be released?
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: And what do you mean? That's not in print. And
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: nobody could understand. And nobody can understand. And, um, I
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: want Hondo, damn it. Where the hell is my Hondo? God,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: that was a big release when they finally put Hondo out.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 25: And it just, um, And we, you know, in the
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 25: mid-90s were able to. Everything was coming out on DVD
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 25: or VHS. And if they didn't have it, it was
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 25: a rarity.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: Now, how many movies are lost that kids, you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: younger than me, my nephew, 16, he loves movies.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: Can't see anything. Hasn't seen anything. And I don't know
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: if they'll be able to see anything.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: That's the part I'm distressed about. It's like, when are
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: they going to have access to it?
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 12: Yeah, for me, it's like we're teetering on the edge
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 12: of a dark age. I mean, it really is that way.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know if it'll stay that way.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 12: You know, I'm from that era before.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: VHS, before movies, where if you wanted.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: To watch something, you had to string up the Super 8.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: It was this little condensed digest version. wait till they
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: played it on the late, late movie.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 26: You would see a strange movie on TV at three
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 26: in the morning and you would never figure you to
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 26: see it again because it was just on.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 12: TV Guide was kind of a Bible. I mean, it
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 12: really was a lifeline. You'd scour those listings and see
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 12: those movies. And like I always point out, there was
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 12: actually more interesting on when there were four channels.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 12: Because almost everybody derived their programming out of movies back then.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: Well, I actually came home the other day and, um,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: My wife was watching.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: Something on television.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: It was Adam Carolla putting in a swimming pool. And
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: I stopped and I said, we have 900 channels. And
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: the best thing that you can find on television is
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 9: Adam Carolla puts.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: In a swimming pool. This is a sad state of mind.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: It was horrible. That sounds fascinating. What are you talking about?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I've watched so much more good television now
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: since I got rid of cable.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: I haven't had it for years. I just think you
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: never had cable.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: Now they have Bounce TV and MeTV and this channel.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: And those are all old, and they're not always great,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: but they're always old movies that I've never heard of.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Every single day, there's three channels open air for free.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: That I get to watch, and almost every day, if
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: I have time, I can find something worthwhile watching.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 12: I spent all of last night watching MeTV because it
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 12: was a flashback to my childhood. It was just TV
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 12: shows I grew up with and then movies I grew
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 12: up with. For God's sake, they had a horror host.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 12: He's showing The Mummy's Tomb. This does not go on,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 12: but it's back.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: Sven Gulli.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 12: And I keep wondering if it's not just a generational thing,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 12: since we had experience of these other ways of living,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 12: Is it just nostalgia?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: Are we going to just miss it on that basis?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: Because what do kids do on the Internet?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they browse.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 12: That's what I do. I browse for things I'm interested in.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 12: But it's not the same as walking into a store
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 12: or a bookstore or anything else. And gradually, all that
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 12: stuff is disappearing.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: You know, this makes me wonder.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 9: Because is anyone familiar with the Music Genome Project that
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 9: Pangolo is doing? Anybody?
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 8: No.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 9: Basically, what they do is they– and they're doing all
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 9: this electronically– is they're breaking down– songs into the most
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 9: very basic elements.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: And what they do is.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: They kind of pick up on your personal preferences just
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 9: by you can click like and dislike on this play
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 9: stream and it will actually go in and it'll take
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 9: the elements it knows about the songs that you like
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 9: and it will pick other songs that it thinks you'll
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 9: like and as you tell it, oh, I like this,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: I don't like this, it will read out those things
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 9: so that you're only getting things that pandora thinks you
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 9: like good and bad but um i'm really curious about.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: The possibility.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: I don't see it to be too far-fetched of a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: movie genome project.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 20: Well which i think there there may be like you
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 20: know spotify is doing uh like it posts on Facebook
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 20: whenever somebody's listening to something.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: And so they get kind of promotional, uh, viral promotional
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: mechanism built in to their model. And I think people
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: are talking about doing that like peer to peer movies
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: so that you rely on your friends and, and by
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: liking something, other people see it. And so, uh, I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: don't know where all that's going, but I think people
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: are talking about the cloud computing thing, because if you
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: download a movie, then it's on your computer, then you
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: have to transfer it. And then the nice thing about
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: a disc, you can take it into the next room
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: or take it in the car. So with the cloud computing,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, you can have, you have it in
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: whatever format or you're at a friend's house, you can,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: you can get it. But, um, But I don't know
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: that everybody has, like, Internet strong enough in all those
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: situations that, you know, downloading is kind of a hassle.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like you get impatient. And then I
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: found out, you know, just from traveling, like in... In
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: other countries, the walls of buildings are just so thick
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: that they don't really, you know, they're not accustomed to
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: everybody having the Wi-Fi signal. And then I think, I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: don't really understand the mechanism, but as more people around
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: you get their networks going, it seems like it kind
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: of interferes with yours. Because I remember I used to
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: be able to go out and get in my kid's
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: tree house, and I had internet. But now I go
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: outside and it picks up like seven different networks, and
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: mine isn't one of them.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: It's a waiting line. Yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you were talking about, Greg, the stuff disappearing. I
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: think that falls into two categories.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 8: I think you're right in the way that it is
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: officially happening, Like the studios aren't backing stuff that they
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 8: don't care about, stuff that's not.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: New or stuff they're not putting their money in.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 8: But I think with this internet, there's this new undercurrent
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: of unofficially available stuff.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: That in a way it's like, I know, I know
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: it's sort of damning to even mention that these days
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: because Hollywood is so against it and it's so.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Not politically correct to do that. But I think there's
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: a lot of stuff that's, Out of.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: Print, like we used to look for that almost has
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 8: been lost by the studio system, that once it leaks
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: its way out into that undercurrent of just geeks sort
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 8: of passing stuff back and forth, it's out there forever.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of a good thing.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 8: That almost keeps stuff alive that would be lost in
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 8: a vault somewhere or, you know, some... If it all
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 8: gets out into the world, you know, it's like you
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 8: don't have to worry about the vault fire at the
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 8: studio and you lose stuff for all eternity. You know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 8: it's like once it's out in the network, you can
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: always go find it again because there's always some geek
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: sitting in a basement somewhere downloading everything, passing it off
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 8: to his friends, finding some other website.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: To put it on.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: That I think, again, I'm not for any of the,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 8: you know, current releases.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Let's just download it. Screw going to theater.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: But I like the stuff that's ancient and nobody cares about,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: public domain, that's totally out of print, nobody's going.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: To bother to ever put it back in print.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: I kind of like that that stuff has found its
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: way out there and found its way to the people
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 8: that care about it.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: And that's the way it's meant to be. Copyright law
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: was never intended to constrain the free flow. flow of information.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: That was just not the purpose of it. But the
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: reason it's so gray and everybody's like, well, I'm not
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: sure I really want to, is because just what the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: free flow of information could mean is just so changed.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Like nobody could have seen it coming. So now it's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: like you don't know where to draw the line. It's like, well,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: it's like in the old days, teachers are like, well,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: can I Xerox this stuff out of the book and
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: pass it out to my kids? Like if you're teaching
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: a lit class, can you just like, Xerox somebody's short
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: story and hand it out so all the kids don't
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: have to go about it. And you would go, yeah,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: you could because it's an educational exercise. It's for official purposes.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: And then there would be like legal statements that overstate
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: the case, like you can't do this whether it makes
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: money or not. It's like really the law says whether
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: you make money, it kind of is a big deal.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: That's a big factor. Which is kind of what I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: feel like this is too.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a matter of how long will the accessibility
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 12: be there.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: They keep trying to add new laws, new censorship, and
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: that's a big factor.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: I wish, and I, you know, we have National Archives
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: for everything.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if there is, but I wish
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: there was some kind of national... I would give money.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: To it, archives, full film, so that things that were
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: borderline or things that were falling out, somebody could just
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: literally dump a file somewhere and say, we're going to
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: back it up eight places and make sure it's on
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: servers and know that it's there.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: It's a juried system. That's such a fraction.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: And the National Archive is too, but the way they
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: jury it is they just have to go by whatever
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: people ask for because they've got all this stuff on
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: old formats and they can't keep up with it. And
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: I read that they moved the National Archive to those
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: caves under Kansas City like a decade or more ago
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: in just truckloads, just truckloads of them. And they took
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: them to like the geographic and population center of America.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: And I've been down in those caves. I've driven a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: truck down in there and drive in. and your truck
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: is on a turntable, and then they turn you so
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: you can drive the way you need to go. Well,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not comfortable with leaving it up
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: to someone.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: Else in charge because, again, then they pick the high-end stuff. Again,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 8: I like the anarchy of leaving it to geeks. Once
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 8: you throw it out there on the Internet, to me,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 8: that– has more of a chance of surviving than... Because
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 8: those guys are.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Hardcore, and they're going to have everything.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 6: That's where a lot of material exists.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 12: And when it comes to the studios, which are just
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 12: sort of ghosts of what they once were, they're going
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: to go with whatever is new, whatever is popular, whatever
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 12: is most.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Accessible, whatever is going to be fun.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 12: I mean, this bleeds into the whole area of the
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 12: disappearance of 35mm, which I worked at Baxter for a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 12: dozen years, too.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: There'll be no film. a new release within two years,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 6: it will.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: All be gone. Yeah, it will be.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 6: And I don't really have a problem with digital. As
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 6: a projection medium, it's fine. It looks good.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 12: As long as you can get a hard drive, as
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 12: long as these films get transferred to hard drives and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 12: are safe, I have no problem. From a business aspect,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 12: I remember how expensive it all was, the shipping and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 12: the damaged prints. The Fading Prince and just how frustrating
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 12: that whole film is.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: We're still in every story.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 12: The other night they ran Clockwork Orange up there, and
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 12: that's the last time.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 6: Probably that film's going to be run at 35.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 12: It's a strange thing to think about, but I can
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 12: understand the progress from a business point of view and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 12: even from a quality point of view. So no real
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 12: issues as long as they can preserve, as long as
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 12: they can get that stuff onto archives and keep it,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 12: as long as it doesn't get wiped somehow. This doesn't
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 12: mean they're going to burn all prints. It doesn't mean
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 12: they're going to burn the original negatives. That stuff's going
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 12: to be around. It's just a matter of new film.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 12: You're not going to see it go that way.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Kind of like the passing of the new films. There's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: no new films being put on VHS. No.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and they've stopped making movie cameras. There are no
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 12: 35mm motion picture cameras being made anymore.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 6: They're gone.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: Digital.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: That's a weird feeling.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What is the exact name, does anybody know, of
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: the film institute that, I don't know, a new... The AFI? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: And they have those little things at the beginning of
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: several DVDs now, or like Clint Eastwood. Yeah, that's all
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: I got. And then Scorsese talks about, I think, The
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Red Shoes, when you first saw The Red Shoes. But
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: he doesn't name it. I just thought how sick it
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: would be to edit in, like, the trailer for the
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Twilight movies and then have this guy say, oh, it
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: had a different grandeur and a sweep, and we have
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: to preserve....
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 8: Now, YouTube videos would be.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 6: Ernest Garrett's stupid.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: This needs to be a YouTube video, if nothing else. Well,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: I think, I mean, there's, again, there's a lot of negative.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: Aspects mostly for for nostalgia purposes for us between you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 8: know losing vhs losing video stores losing 35 million but
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: there is like i have noticed an upside to like
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 8: the filmmaker aspect of it.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 9: Before we get to that i just have one question
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: When was the last time each of you was in
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: a brick-and-mortar video store?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Aside from this week. This week. Yeah. This week, yeah.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Does the library count, getting movies from the library? I
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: think that can count, yeah.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 11: Recently.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: But, like, roughly, though.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm talking time periods.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 11: A month.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: A month, okay.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 6: Much longer. It's probably been... Almost a year.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 9: I know with me it's been at least a year.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 9: At the very minimum. So I can totally understand how.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 9: Like I have just made a declaration just yesterday. I
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 9: am not buying any more DVDs because they sit on
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 9: the shelf. And there's a little baby can pull them
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 9: off of the shelf and put crap on the shelf.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: But we don't watch them anyway, I've noticed.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: So I've come to the point where, you know, if
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 9: I'm not watching, it's just accumulation of more stuff, which
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 9: I really don't need.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: But I... I used to love Wild and Woolly. I
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: lived up the street from it. I'd walk up there
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: all the time.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 9: I saw some great movies there that I never would
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: have seen otherwise. And more and more, you have to
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: kind of take into account, are we phasing out that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: element of our own society?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Because we are kind of changing, not kind of, we're changing.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 9: As a society with instant delivery and, um, different expectations
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 9: and as we kind of move into, and I hate
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 9: to think of phasing that out, but as we move
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 9: in that direction, we're just, everything is coming right in
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 9: and we're becoming more isolated, really.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 6: Living a hive.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't have to even go out of the house.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: One of the upsides to not going out of the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 9: house is you can make an entire movie In your
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 9: living room, granted, writing restrictions, you know, unless you're a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: zombie cheerleading camp where.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: You don't have to go anywhere.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: You just dress your friends up as zombies and turn
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: the camera around in a circle.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: But you just.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Part of the thing that I'm starting to miss is
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: those gatekeepers.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 8: Those.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Which the studio execs that say, oh, this can't be
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: a movie.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: This is horrible. Granted, they did produce Ernest Scared Stupid. Hey,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Jim Varney's a great actor. He's a thesmian. That's right.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 11: Was.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, was. And believe it or not, I liked Ernest.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: It's funny. I heard Coppola talking on the radio. I
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: was traveling somewhere.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 6: He was talking about.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: How he got started and he wrote the script for Patton.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: And they had somebody else was going to play Patton.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who. But they didn't like his script.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: There were elements they thought were sort of bizarre. And
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: so they shelved it. But then later the actor fell
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: through and they got George C.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 11: Scott.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: And somebody remembered there had been this other version of
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: the script. And they went back and they found his
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: script and used it. And that's, you know, how he
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: got his foot in the door. And the lesson that
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: he said for people in film is the same thing
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: that they fire you for is the exact same thing
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: they give you the Academy Award for. Innovation. So, yeah,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: the gatekeeping, it's fluky, but at the same time, it's
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: kind of energizing.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, there is a downside to opening up
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 8: the floodgates to letting any idiot put out a movie.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: Because we do get a lot more stuff, especially not
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 8: to be indie bashing, but in the indie world now,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 8: there's 20 times more than there were in the 70s
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 8: when it was hard to get a camera and make
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 8: these things.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: Strictly, they have access to the technology. They're all making
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 6: the same movie.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that too. There is that sameness. But then it's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: also even like no matter how good something is, just
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: the availability of it makes it less special and people
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: just don't care. I mean, it's kind of both.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 8: To me, it's good that it's opening up these new
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 8: avenues that, again, you as a filmmaker were very limited
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 8: before all this took place. But now, I mean, not
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 8: only can you completely make it on your own, if
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 8: you can come up with the funding and buy a camera,
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 8: you can shoot it yourself, you can edit it yourself
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 8: on your laptop. But now you can also completely bypass
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: the system and find avenues on like on demand or
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 8: go straight to Netflix or distribution.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: You can distribute directly.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 8: Through your website, through digital downloads or go to iTunes.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, there's all these new ways that you can
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 8: find your audience that is good. Again, it opens up
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 8: those floodgates that there's so much out there that it
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 8: also makes it. a million times harder to find that
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 8: audience because they're completely.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Overrun with bad zombie movies. But in a way, I
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: still think there's a good side.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 12: They're entering the industry in a guerrilla format where They
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 12: can make a movie, have it distributed, and then get
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 12: hired by a studio. It's all completely backwards compared to that.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 12: And exceptionally talented people can get a career out of it.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: That's good.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: I know a lot of people like to call that
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: sort of the punk ethos. It is kind of odd
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: because it's not really the 80s punk aesthetic, but it's
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like that do-it-yourself.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 8: I don't know.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I see people in local music, they always call that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: a a punk thing, no matter what it sounds like,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: it's just that they're doing it themselves.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 8: Which again is, I mean, there's something to be said
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 8: for that approach. And it is, I mean, as much
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 8: as you see what happens when you have studios that
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 8: totally control your project and end up ruining your projects.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's, It just quite nearly happened to the
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: wolf man.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 8: There's an upside to having them throw that much money
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 8: at you, but at the same time, you lose your freedom.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 8: So it's a balancing act.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 8: I thought that was one aspect that's kind of, I mean,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 8: it's different than the nostalgia we have for losing the
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 8: physical place, but the opening it up to the Internet
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 8: world kind of throws that in there as well, which
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 8: essentially is good as an option, Again, we're overrun with stuff.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: But there's a flood.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: There's so much.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: And then the real danger, I think, is losing the
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: intensity of attention. Yes. That people will pay to stuff
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: because I just don't think you can have viable, good
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: stuff that people don't really watch. It drives me crazy.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: Oh, my.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: My in-laws and people I know will watch a movie,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: but they don't really watch it. They're like having a conversation.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: It's like you didn't see that movie. You don't know
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: anything about that movie. And then they ask you to
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: tell them what's going on. It's like, just read the
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: freaking synopsis. You don't need me to watch this movie
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: for you and narrate it to you. Although I'm very
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: good at that.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 8: What did you say? I was texting while you were talking.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't pay attention.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: They're just consuming movies. They're ingesting them.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 12: And that's something I see at all ages now. It's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 12: a matter of the age of the person. It's become
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 12: so omnipresent that it's like TV.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: But see, I blame kids.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: I'm guilty.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 6: Oh, I've done it too.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Hello, my name is Steve, and I am a movie consumer.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 8: Is that the word we're using right now?
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 6: An abuser.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: I like that one. I do that with some things.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: Some things I just can't really seriously watch because I
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: watch a few minutes. It's like this is not going
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: to reward that level of attention. It's just not designed to,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: you know, if I'm paying attention, And some things, you know,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: they let you know, you're going to have to watch
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: this or you're just not going to get it. And
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: it's a good thing for them to do because everything
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: gets intense. And, like, the Coen brothers are great with that.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: They'll just let you know, you're going to have to
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: keep your eye on this because stuff is happening. You're
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: going to be lost in it. And that's when it
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: really draws you into the world of the movie and
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: you just lose yourself in it. And it's epic, you know.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think there are some people
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: who just don't get into movies that way.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 12: It demands too much of them. It demands them to
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 12: actually watch a picture. I think in Exhibition I saw
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 12: that so much.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: When I'm working in a studio, I tend to put
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: on movies.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: But I'm not going to gravitate.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 9: Towards putting on something to have in the background that
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 9: I'm really going to have to pay attention to.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: It's going to be earnest, scared, stupid. Or it's going
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: to be.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: I can't really think of anything but Ernest.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: Getting stupid right now because he's just that awesome.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 8: Well, I do that with TV. I've always, especially in
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 8: more recent years.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, as a kid, you just watched everything because
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: you were a kid.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 8: But since then, I've gotten where I just haven't. Well,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 8: I think TV has gotten to the point it doesn't
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 8: garner respect. Most of the time, with minor exception. Now,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 8: there are really good shows being made out there, but
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 8: there's also, as we said, 900 channels of just terrible stuff.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 9: I love to tell my wife, can't we watch something
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 9: that employs writers?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: Or something with a writing staff, please. So to me, when.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 8: I'm not going to be paying attention, I mean, sometimes, again,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 8: I'm just sitting there, I just want something random on,
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 8: some sort of noise in the background. That's what random
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 8: TV is. Stuff that I don't even want to pay
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 8: attention to. Like I know going in, I'm not going
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 8: to pay attention to it.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: I'll just put it on. But I never do that
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: with movies.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 8: I've never been one to just turn on a movie
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 8: and then walk off.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 12: I put on certain films, you know, the term comfort
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 12: movies that I know so well.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 6: Like The Godfather.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: And I'll have that running and I might be doing
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: something neat.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: I love that movie, but I've only seen it once
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: for that reason.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: Really?
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe twice.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: But it was for the reason that it's fantastic, but
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: it is such a commitment.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 9: And it's something that it's one of those movies that,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 9: whereas you would put it on because you know it,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 9: I would.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Not because I could not award it that kind of attention.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: It's in that class.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah, for me, I've seen it enough that I can
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 12: see the movie just by hearing the dialogue.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: There's a part of my brain.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 6: That's picking that up while I'm doing something else.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: That's fun. In theory, the Simpsons popularized the expression mad,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: but I believe it comes from Godfather Wong. It's right
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: after Johnny Fontaine leaves the room. Brando turns around and goes,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: I love Brando.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 8: So, I don't know. I mean, we've got that aspect
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 8: of it. I did want to go back to the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: video stores themselves and be like, just pose the question.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 8: I mean, we sort of touched on earlier how much
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 8: a community was built up within physically going somewhere and
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 8: having to physically interact with other people and physically holding boxes.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, it very much changed the process. Yeah. I
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: think the blockbuster thing, I mean, I remember them switching
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: from VHS to DVD, and so they lost a lot
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: of their odd movies that weren't even.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 6: On DVD yet.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: And then they always had that weird thing with the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: line at the cash register. They had, like, these stands
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: with a ribbon, and there was a sign there, and
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: it said, line starts here. But then there was an
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: arrow pointing over there. So it was hard to know
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: how to interpret. Line starts here. Am I at Disneyland?
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: And so people would come in from both sides. And
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: I asked him about that once because I noticed the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: same sign at the zoo in front of what the
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: concession said. It said, enter here with an arrow pointing
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: over to the other side. So nobody... It was worse
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: than not having a sign at all. Because then people.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Were responsible to be civilized. But with the sign there
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: confusing everybody, everybody felt like they were doing the right
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: thing and the other people were doing the wrong thing.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: And the people at the blockbuster told me they had
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: fistfights there with people coming up to the counter. And
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: so then I asked at Wild and Wooly, I said,
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: I notice you don't have like a sign up here
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: telling people how to form a line. Is that a problem?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 9: No.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 8: No, our customers aren't idiots.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: It's an issue there.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: It's not a hard thing.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: Because the people that don't fall into that category don't
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: go to get movies.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: That's the thing. I've never considered Blockbuster to be a movie.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's not of that community.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: Because, again, several of us here worked at a geek-friendly store.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 8: It was corporate run, but the people at the store
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: were very geek, very hardcore into it and could actually
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: tell you stuff about movies. When I was attempting to
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: find something else at that place, I tried to get on.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: In a blockbuster.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 8: I was there for about four hours. I was so
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 8: creeped out by the disconnect. Nobody there cared about movies.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 8: It was hard for me coming out of that hardcore
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: geek crowd that we.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: All worked in. Then I went in there and it
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: was boxes on a shelf. It could have been product X.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: They could care less.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 6: It was just consumption.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 8: It was exactly just, especially the manager end of it
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 8: was just like, here's the new releases.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: He couldn't have named one of them. He couldn't have
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: told you he was in any of them. He gave
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: a rat's ass about anything. And I had to get
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: out of there. I was like, I came up with a.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 8: Reason that I couldn't work there because I couldn't work
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 8: there for that reason.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 12: Before Wild and Wooly, you know, the Highlands Video Vault
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 12: was the Cutting Edge.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 6: That's where I worked for about three, four years.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: It was super cult-related. It was all cult-related. It was
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: a great store.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 12: And our ownership was not that great, but they understood
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 12: that was the particular appeal of that location. We would
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 12: generally have a good time dealing with customers most of
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 12: the week until Dollar Wednesday would come around.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: And then it became that scene where.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 12: We'd have six registers going and it would be backed
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 12: up 20 feet in all directions. And they were just
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 12: taking anything they could get off the shelves. And the
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 12: store would clear out. You know, a huge star would
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 12: clear out on Wednesday, especially the porno section.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Those are always your best customers. I think my
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: friend Aaron worked there, and he had a guy come
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: in once who was, like, renting a bunch of porn,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: but then he said, I can't remember if I've seen
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: some of these before. It's like, So can you check
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: my account? And he had to read off. He had
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: to go over to the computer over here and read
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: off the titles. And then there was a lady with
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: her kids behind the guy in line.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 8: And so he's going, Happy Scrappy Hero Club.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that a scene in Clerks? That's straight out of Clerks.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 8: Which again is why all that stuff is so funny
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 8: because everything that happens in Clerks has happened to somebody
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 8: who's worked retail before.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that would happen all the time, especially with the Parnox.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 12: Generally, they were your best customers because they were very
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 12: good about taking it home, using it, and getting it back,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 12: especially on Sunday morning when the kids and the wife
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 12: were off at church, the guys would come in.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: Within two hours, you'd have most of your porn back.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 12: And it would all be rewound, and there would be
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 12: no late fees because they didn't want anybody to know. Occasionally,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 12: it would be that mysterious late fee that the wife
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 12: would see and they'd want.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 6: To see, and I would just turn the monitor.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: Well, this one.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 6: 3408, that's the one.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: My mom lives in Bowling Green, and there were two
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: video stores there. And she would sometimes go to one,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: sometimes go to another. But she didn't like walking around
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: the store and looking at movies because she just liked
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: looking at a list. One of the stores had a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: list of all their movies, and she would just stand
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: there at the counter and flip through it and look
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: through the list. That's such a generational thing.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 8: We all love the walking around, but, yeah, she's from
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 8: a different era.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Walking around and encountering things. But she went in one
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: time to get a movie, and she asked for the list,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: and there was some guy there she'd never seen before.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: He said, I don't think we have a list. She's like, no,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: you do. It's like a printout of all your movies. No,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: we don't. I'm sorry, man. She's like, I've come in
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: here a thousand times. You have a list of all
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: your movies. And he goes in the back, and he
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: comes out in a minute, and he gives her this book,
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: and she looks at it, and it's porn.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: And then she, you know, while he's in the back,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: she remembers, oh, it's the other video story. And so
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: now she's made him go to all this trouble to
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: bring out the list. She feels like, do I have
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: to rent one of these now? And how do I choose?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: All right, on golden blonde it is.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: I do miss that. I mean, it's that.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Geek camaraderie interaction that when you find somebody on the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 3: level of whatever your.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: Tastes are and you can go to, you know, like
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: they had on, um.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: Seinfeld where Steve's recommendations or whatever, I've never even met Steve,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: but I've got, you know, exactly. And so, you know,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: that was the best part of a movie store to
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: me other than browsing movie boxes was you knew the
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: guy that worked on Tuesday and always had a great
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: suggestion for you and you.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: Would go talk to him about it. And he'd say, well,
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: have you seen this? Why have you seen this?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: And you can read a review online or talk to
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: your friends or look at the, how many stars people
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: have given it, but none.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: Of those recommend it.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Or even, you know, like on Netflix, it says recommendations
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: for you. Well, most of the time to me, because I,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: We have four members of the family that all use
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: the Netflix.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: It's some amalgam of crap. Like, what? There needs to
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: be different users. None of us want to watch this.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: My kids' friends have so fucked up my recommendations.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 8: Right.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: See, it's funny if it's, like.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 8: Completely condensed because I realized how frighteningly accurate mine is
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 8: because I'm the only one that uses it. It'll bring
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 8: up 10 and I'm like, damn, I want to see
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 8: every one.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: I hate you. Get out of my head, Netflix. Actually,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: they pay people a lot of money to come up
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: with those. Those little amalgamations of movies.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's your movie genome project.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: That's what Netflix is using. Actually, they were offering Netflix
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: like a year and a half ago. They were offering
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: a million dollars to a person that could more accurately
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: predict people's taste based on their recommendations in the past
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: or what they liked and didn't like. And it was
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: all math. It was all math that were doing it.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm sure they have.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, there's definitely something to that. You know,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 8: they've gotten really good at that. But I think there
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 8: is something. Well, there is something you said about the community.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 8: And I can reference one from this show specifically. The
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 8: store that several of us used to work at, someone
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 8: that came in as a customer that I just sort
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 8: of knew. I don't even think we talked very much.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 8: Just sort of, hey, how's it going? And we'd see
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 8: them regulate.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: It was Jay.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 8: I knew Jay before he ever got involved with the
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 8: situation or Misty or any of this that goes on now.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 8: I knew him from 12 years or more ago because
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 8: he used to come into our store. And I would
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 8: always see him back there, and it was right after
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 8: he had the kid. And I'd be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 8: there's that guy. And now, flash forward years later, he's
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 8: on this movie geek show. Whether we realize it or not,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 8: it is that circle of people. It is that community that...
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 8: I don't know if it exists the same way without
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 8: that physical place.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: Where's it going to germinate? Where's it going to spring from?
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: It'll go somewhere.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 9: Well, I was going to say, there almost is. You're
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 9: going to find something, wherever there's a need. Now, it
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 9: might even take the form of a fight club.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But you might even see.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Movie geek, well, what is this, like a movie geek
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: support group?
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: Is that how I can see? That's where this is going.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 9: Is this, because wherever there's a need societally, oh, we'll
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 9: fill it.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: Service economy. It's funny, like in the 1800s, people would
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: blow into Louisville. and, like, find other people. I heard
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: somebody was here, and they would go to, like, places,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: and they'd have to, like, talk and ask around, but
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: people would make connections. Heaven forbid, I just can't do that. Yeah,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: we don't do that anymore. Well, that's what people used
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: to do. And then they did that study, like, it
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: was in the 60s when they did the six degrees
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: of separation study, and they found that it took about
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: six links from some people living out in the Midwest,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: to find a stockbroker in New York. And that was
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: the experiment. How many people does it take? And so
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: they did that study, and it was about six. But
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: then somebody else studied it and found out, no, it
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: just bounces around aimlessly until it hits one of those
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: people who knows everybody. And then it goes straight there.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: And there's this phenomenon, some people are hubs. They just
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: know everybody. And then they studied the Internet to see
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: if it made us closer. And it was like, no,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: it was still about six links to find anybody. But
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard if they studied how things on the
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Internet act as hubs. And that's the question. I do
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: know there's like a folk music site where they collect
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: references for people who are folk music geeks. And if
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: you can't find something... there's like a guy in Japan
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: who knows everything, and he's on there. You ask the question,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: people will guess around and say, it sounds like this,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: it sounds like, until this guy gets on there. But
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: it's not like other sites where stuff just comes and goes.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Like if you wrote something on there 10 years ago,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: it's still there. It's still there. I think it has changed.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: some of it, I think it's very different, but I
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: think some of that world has shifted and moved onto
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: the internet.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 8: And I think we've seen a lot of that in
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 8: just what's popped up around the forum community and.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: The podcast community.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 8: Like we, there's tons of people that I've now known
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 8: online and have ended up meeting in the real world.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 8: And it's all because of, you know, this little hardcore
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 8: group of movie geeks that, the only way they know
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 8: each other is because of the internet.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: And there is a level to that. It's different.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 8: It's very different, but it does like open up that
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 8: we all have the same interest kind of thing on
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 8: a worldwide format.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden we're, we're throwing it out there
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 8: You know, we occasionally we're talking to people in Australia
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 8: and we're talking to guys in England that like the
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 8: same movie. So it, it's i don't think that it's
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: the same interaction but it definitely gives you so much
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 8: more access to so many more people out there that
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 8: you you end up finding a lot of people that
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 8: have the same interest as you or similar interests that
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: you would have never run into obviously physically would have never.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Run into but even then it's like it's just such
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: a higher number of people that you end up finding
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: so much more via the.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: Internet now i don't think i would have known you
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: if it weren't for the Internet.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: That's true. That is how we ended up hanging out.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: There are people that either call into a podcast or
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: sit in on one that I've listened to several other
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: times that I would take their recommendation on a movie
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: and before.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: My best friend's recommendation on a movie.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: Because I've listened to them, you know, have the same
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: arguments that I have about a movie or the same
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: perspective that I have about it. And a lot of
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: times I'll disagree with them on a movie. But at
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: the same time, I know if someone's, no, you have
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 3: to see this, then I know, yeah, you're right, I
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: have to see it. And I appreciate that, especially the
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: hours that people put in after seeing this into doing that,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: that those are the best recommendations.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 11: I can get.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I think when you're like an online... persona,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: some people like to say, oh, I'm the same online
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: as I am. You have to make a little.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 27: Extra effort to like, you know, put out what your
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 27: interests are and to be a resource for other people
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 27: who might, it's.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Kind of a little bit of a little bit of work,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: you know, but when you're talking about things that you're
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: into and excited about, it's just sort of what you
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: naturally do. It's like, I remember when I first started
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: meeting younger people who were just like Johnny intellectual property seed.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: They just wanted you to see the stuff that they
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: liked and they'd go copy it for you and bring
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: it to you on disc. And it's like, oh, I've
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: got this thing, you know, because it's what you do.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: You want people to like know about the stuff you like. So, yeah,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: without really forming a definite plan there. people get out
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: there and spread around the stuff that they, they love. Yeah.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 8: I think, I mean, there's definitely that aspect of the
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 8: internet society, but I think we've also seen, and I
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 8: think a lot of this is, I don't know if
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 8: it's conscious that it's going on, but we're starting to
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 8: see the same thing happen just in different places.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: So I think the.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 8: Fact that nobody gathers together to go get a movie
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: or sometimes even to go watch first runs that much
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 8: anymore is the fact that places like Alamo Draft House
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 8: have taken off because we still want that interaction.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: We want a place to sort of have a group
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: of people that.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 8: Has similar likes or at least is there to have
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 8: the same experience as we are, but nobody likes the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: way that it's being run anymore and nobody wants to
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 8: go sit there and do that. So I think we're
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 8: starting to see people congregate to the draft houses or even,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 8: as we've seen, the conventions. I mean, there's a group
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 8: of people that goes to conventions that– only goes to conventions,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 8: would only know each other because of conventions, may not
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 8: even like each other outside of their convention world. But,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: I mean, we've seen and know so many people because
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 8: of that, and the film fest is kind of the
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: same thing. It's sort of sometimes they cross over, sometimes
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 8: they don't.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 9: Deprivation only breeds intensity.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 8: I mean, you definitely, I think we're starting to see
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 8: people shift to that.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's because we're losing.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 8: That part of our culture that we don't have that
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 8: physical place to go and hang out and talk about
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 8: movies but we've got this place over here and it's
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 8: kind of the same thing and you know it only
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 8: happens once a year but There's one going on every month.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 12: So, you know, we, yeah, the convention circuit has become
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 12: a pretty big business.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: And it's grown at that same level. It's like as
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: video stores have.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 8: Dropped off and people have lost that outlet, it's like
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 8: conventions keeps bringing up one after the other.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 6: Just like there was once a glut of video stores.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 12: There's a glut of conventions now.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: There's going to be some dying off.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well, you know, lost a local record store.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: Which was huge. Yeah, which was huge. It was a
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: nationally known record store.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 8: It was so successful.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: I know a guy who said he was in Brazil,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: and he said that a bartender just asked him, is
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: your ecstasy really closing?
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, it's another one of those that I
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 8: kind of saw it coming. It's the way the system
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: is working.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: I can't help wondering, like, couldn't they have morphed it
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: into more of a hangout where that would bring in dollars?
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Because wouldn't people do that if it was something like...
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, people will pay anything for coffee to have
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: a coffee place to go to and hang out. And
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: that's what... I don't know. It just seems like it
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: needed to become what.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 8: It needed to become.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I've said.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 8: I've said it needed to change.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how to do it, but.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 8: No, I think what it needed to do, and this is...
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: It still kind of ties into what we're talking about here.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: I think that it was a record store. It was
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: hard to find stuff. It was stuff you had to
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 8: special order, same as our movies. But as times changed,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 8: everybody could get whatever. What it needed to do was
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 8: shift into performance. I mean, they had a huge space there.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 8: They couldn't open half of it up to just shows.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 8: Brought people in, charged five bucks a head. Every kid
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 8: that hangs out in that trendy little area.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: Would have paid.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 8: Just to hang out there, sell coffee, still have a
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 8: little area where they can sell like vinyl or something
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 8: that nobody else is going to stock, obviously. They could
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 8: have saved it, I think, by doing that.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: They just didn't.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 8: And, again, he'd been doing that for, like, what, 25,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 8: 30 years.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to knock John a lot.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, if it's a matter of being immobile, I don't think.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: He could do it. Did he want to?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 6: I don't think he would relinquish it to someone else.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 8: Just tired of doing it, too.
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 12: It's on Facebook today, my friend in Nashville. Grimey's down
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 12: in Nashville. Of course, it's Music City, but it's thriving business.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 12: There are plenty of thriving record stores that you can.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 12: You can point your fingers at the e-revolution, but it
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 12: really isn't the reason. You've been static, and you can't move,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 12: and you can't adapt. And that's what happened to Borders.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 12: Borders died on a corporate level. It did not die
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 12: on a per-cap level at the stores. They were making millions.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 12: But yet we're robbed. Suddenly there's not a lot of
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 12: bookstores here.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: There aren't at all.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 6: Nothing near me. I have to drive 15 miles to
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: get to a bookstore now.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Give it time.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 6: I'm hoping, you know, once again, there'll.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 12: Be a flow where other stores and smaller businesses will
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 12: move in and fill that gap.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 8: I've seen one or two little indie bookstores pop up lately,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 8: one of which is across the street right now.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: Well, Borders kind of killed that.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 12: Well, Borders, you know, Holy Cook was always sort of
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 12: a Borders business plan, but it was a local store,
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 12: and they went under Borders.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 6: Borders saved them, but then when Borders went through it all.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: Well, they bought them, and they just assimilated.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 8: That's what I think is funny, is they almost cashed
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 8: in at the best possible time. That indie bookstore that
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 8: had gotten kind of huge sold out to them, and
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 8: now the book system has gone under completely, really.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 12: Well, it was all because of bad business decisions, like
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 12: Borders buying a stationary company. Everybody just uses email.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: Well, and it was the same.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 6: It's like, why did you do that?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: You know, the record store starting its own music label.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 8: And it's like, after a while, you start... And then.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: The typewriter repair service.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: It's not really.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: Not going over so well.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 8: But no, I mean, to me, that, like talking about
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 8: the record store changing its format, I think that's the
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 8: same thing.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: The video stores are gone forever. but doing the Alamo
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: Drafthouse thing. That's the exact same thing.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 8: It's like turning it into a venue, turning it into
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 8: an event more than selling you something, but selling you
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 8: the act of going there, the food and the accessories
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 8: that really makes money.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: Just the fact that you can have a beer and
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: watch a movie.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 9: A lot of the bigger cities, like when I was
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 9: in Toronto and Chicago, Both of them were having big movie,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 9: like in the middle of the summer, they would have,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 9: they'd come out with a projector, project like a classic movie,
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 9: like War of the Worlds, or it came from Planet Nine,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 9: I think, is the one we watched in Toronto.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: Like on the side of a building.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: Toronto and Chicago and my backyard. Nice. Only when it's
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: not really hot. I had a bunch of kids over
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: and they watched Planet of the Apes, the original pilot.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: We were going to do more, but the summer was
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: just so hot. A lot of times you just couldn't
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: do it. It wasn't fun.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: It's funny how far people will track those folding chairs.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 8: But I think that's what it's come to. I think
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 8: we're losing that, but people still want the event. That's
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 8: the only way to save it is to turn it
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 8: into an event, is to make it something else. Because
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 8: there is no place for that world anymore. There is
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 8: no reason to have a video store.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell the few events that are still
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: out there. In some ways. I don't know.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 9: I feel like coming together to watch some movie that
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 9: you love projected on the side of a building with
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 9: a bunch of people is kind of.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: A better way to intermingle with people in a lot
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 2: of ways.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 9: To actually get out of the house, drag your foldable
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 9: chair and beer cooler down to wherever, and just sit
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 9: down and watch something that you've seen a million times
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 9: before with 60, 70 other people.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 8: I think that's what I'm kind of taking from it.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, as much as I will miss the experience itself,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 8: I think it's, it's inevitable. I mean, there is no
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 8: reason to keep trying to.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: Do it that way.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 8: It's just, again, it's, it's like borders and money. You're just,
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 8: you're going to close eventually. It's just a matter of time.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 8: And now most of them already have. So I think
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 8: it's more of just that act of doing something. I
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: think it is, you know, just, You have to have
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 8: some place to do that. It's just changing it and
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 8: finding a better way to go about it, a different
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 8: way to go about it.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 12: Well, it's the fight between convenience and experience. You can
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 12: have access to almost anything you want now, but there's
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 12: something kind of missing.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: Which is why these little things spring up.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: We have people that keep doing these little, hey, we're
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 8: doing a showing of this, and Or the midnight show,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 8: Adam's Family.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: That was my thing.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 8: It's like, well, I've seen Adam's Family, but how many
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 8: people showed up there?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 6: I give Bob a lot of credit up at the back.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 6: He's trying to keep the midnight movies alive, and they've
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 6: been thriving. It shows that people want to do it.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: It's still that aspect.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 6: I thought it was dead when he started that. We
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 6: worked together. I thought, my generation did that. I don't
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 6: know if you can If you can make it work,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 6: it did.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's our people, our age and older, that
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: are showing up. Yeah, we have a memory of the Vogue.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 8: It's the same crowd.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he met last night, mentioned the Vogue, and people just, oh,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 12: And I was a child of the Vogue, and that
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 12: was a social hub, and that was a social center.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 12: We tried very hard to make Baxter that way from
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 12: the beginning, but it was just too big a business to.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was the last of the independent movie theaters.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 8: The one screen set up, yeah, we lost that.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 12: Single screen theaters can't survive that.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: The Charlie Varick of theater. Last of the independent. What
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: was the last movie in the last picture show? It
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: was the last movie at Sam's Place.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 6: I can't remember.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: It was a John Wayne movie. It was Red River
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: or something?
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: And then there was the kid who swept the dusty
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: street every day. The one thing all my life that
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: has stayed the same, though, while all of this has
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: happened and everything has changed, is bagged ice. Bagged ice
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: machines are still exactly what they were when I was
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: a kid. You still go and get your bag of
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: ice from a machine that has ice ice in block
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: letters with maybe a little snow drip on it. Or
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: a polar bear. Yeah, or a polar bear. They haven't
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: really done a whole lot with it. Although the elements
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: are really just water and coal.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 9: And we get.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 8: Better and better refrigerator freezers that make our own ice,
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 8: and yet... People still are buying bad guys.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 9: Have you ever run out of ice, though, when you
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 9: have a bunch of thirsty people?
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 2: It's a terrifying moment. Tough luck. Drink it hot, Jackie.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 9: And for that matter, I would like to say I
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 9: classify society based on ice. My entire worldview is based
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 9: on ice.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: And it is simply this. How many of you can tell,
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: are any of you, are your ice trays full of
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: ice right now? Yeah. Do you fill your ice trays?
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 6: I don't use them right now, they're not.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: I would get a divorce if I didn't. You empty it,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 2: you fill it. My wife would get a divorce. You
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: don't mess around.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: You don't mess around. You're civilized. My wife says to me,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: this man is savage.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah. I have sense enough to put the drink in
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 8: the refrigerator. It's already cold.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 11: I don't need ice.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 8: If it were up to me, those machines, those big freezers.
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: Would go bankrupt. Putting it in the freezer, and I
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: hear my wife saying... Oh, Fred has this theory about ice.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah. My theory is you have to
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: put it in the ice cube tray and put it
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: in the freezer if you want ice. That's my theory.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: When I met my wife, she didn't even own ice trays.
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 9: I came over with an ice tray, put it in
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 9: the freezer, and I said, fill it or you're a savage.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 9: And eventually, after I called her a savage so much
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 9: and I bought her that loincloth, she started filling the
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 9: ice trays.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 8: I say damn you and your culture.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: I'll have none of it. Exactly. Precisely. Another thing, if
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 2: you work at an office, there has to be a
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: pot of coffee all damn day long. Or you're among Visigoths.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: I worked this place, and they all just drank water
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: from the little water cooler. And when the guy would
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: bring the bucket of water and put it on, they'd go, ooh,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: let's go taste the water. It's new water. What's the
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: matter with you? Did somebody make some fucking coffee in
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: this place?
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 9: God!
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: Obviously, we've spiraled out of control here. So, to wrap
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: it up here, I don't know.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 8: I just wanted to sort of acknowledge this passing. I mean,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 8: it's kind of silly.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's plenty of people who aren't movie geeks.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 8: They'd be like, it's just a fucking video store.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: Get over it. There's truth to that.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's something as silly and simple as going
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 8: to a video store and renting a movie.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not that big a deal to
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of people.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 10: But.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 8: If you stop and think about the fact that it's
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 8: kind of going to be... That process will be lost
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 8: to the ages. That really, kids from this point on,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 8: this next generation coming.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 2: Up, are not going to know that ever.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 9: And only their ISP will know what porn they look at.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 6: See?
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: You won't have somebody behind the counter snickering at what
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: you just read.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 6: They don't have the power anymore for people.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I'd like to.
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen. Something's going to
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: twist it. Something's going to put another spin on it
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: that we can't see coming. Probably because they're going to
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: set some sort of rules. I do like that.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 8: The computer world, as it were right now, when we
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 8: were talking to Emma Caulfield.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: Recently, she put it as the Wild West.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: And it is.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: Right now, there are no fucking rules.
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 28: To anything, which on one hand is good because it
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 28: led to, you know, this show wouldn't exist if This
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 28: weird system hadn't sprung up and there was nobody saying
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 28: that I couldn't say it's the fucking wild west.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 8: Obviously, when FCC steps in and the government starts taking
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 8: over a little more control over this, I mean, there's
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 8: laws going up right now that are trying to limit
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 8: what freedom you have on the internet. I think that
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 8: will be the deciding factor is if somebody steps in,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 8: really bad if the government steps in and.
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: Starts deciding things. What we can have access.
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 8: To, what we can put out there, what we can
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 8: do on the Internet.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: I think they will overtly say this is what you
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 3: can't do.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: I think what they'll do is they'll just pay the.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: Providers, five providers.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 3: Like with me, I have options, one or two, of
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: who I can get my internet through.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: They'll just say, you're going to filter this. And it
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: may very well already be that. They're filtering stuff that
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: I don't even know about.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 8: Much like the world in general, it may not be
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 8: the government we have to be worried about, but the corporations.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: The two or three corporations that are going to own everything.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 12: It's not going to be so much a matter of morality.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 12: It's how much money can we profit. And If you
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 12: can cut something off and make a profit, that's where
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 12: it's going to go.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: And that's what we'll have to see.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 6: That's where it's all gone so far. It will continue. Taxation.
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 6: Amazon just tagged on that little tax the other day.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: How much does that change everything at the end of
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: the year, at the end of 10 years?
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 6: It's going to add up a lot.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's, I think it all, it's that penny
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: per transaction from Superman coming back to minus.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's true.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, once you get into that many people, again,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: we're talking worldwide, it's like. Forget office space.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 9: I just saw something else, too, the exact same thing,
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: and I can't remember what that was, but.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 8: It was, yeah.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: Either way. You were making an actual point and actually
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: tying things up.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 8: I think that's what it's coming to. I think it
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 8: really is the Wild West now, and there are no rules,
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 8: but I think all of this could very.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: Well change, like you said, Brad.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 8: Once something shifts in it, I think maybe it'll all
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 8: fall apart, and it'll be Planet of the Apes, and
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 8: we'll all go back to watching VHS and going to
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 8: video stores, and Dr. Zayas will ring you up at
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 8: the counter.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 29: Screw it.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: I'm strapping on my Guy Fawkes mask and going for
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: the future.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: So, dude, is there anything else we need to get
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: in there on this or have we thoroughly wandered around
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: this stuff? We are lost in the wilderness. I think
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: we are.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 8: Let's move on.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: Let's wrap it the hell up. So with that, I
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: will say, okay, kids, get out your decoder bins.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 6: For you members of the Secret Circle.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 3: And this is the week coming up that you're going
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 3: to need that big brass thing.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: Fanfare? Yeah, exactly. But anyway. To work in the next
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: upcoming feature.
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 8: Yes, next week's feature will be the universal classic The
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 8: Creature from the Black Lagoon. Should be pretty epic.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 29: So, to round this thing out, musically, sadly, and accurately,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 29: we're going to go with this Bubbles-inspired song entitled Internet
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 29: Killed the Video Store.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: Frighteningly accurate. Otherwise, that about does it. We will return
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: next week. Same geek time, same geek feed.
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  Speaker 11: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 19: I saw you on the cathode back in 92 699
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  Speaker 19: is what I paid a week for you If I
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 19: was young, it didn't stop you coming through.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh.
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  Speaker 19: They took on the information superhighway. Faster than walking, driving,
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  Speaker 19: or 56K. And now I understand the fears that you
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 19: would say. Oh, oh.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not your children.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh.
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  Speaker 7: What did you tell them?
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 19: You're the biggest star.
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  Speaker 23: Broadband came and set the score.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 30: And now we meet nostalgic friends from long ago. The stock,
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 30: the Sony player, hi-fi stereo. And you remember the playback
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 30: used to go.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 2: And in my core Analog.
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  Speaker 19: Children are no more Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
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  Speaker 23: And in my core analog children are no more Rodman
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  Speaker 23: came and set the score put the blame on the
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  Speaker 23: next I'm one with your soul.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: I'm one with your soul. I'm all about more coffee.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: All this prostitution for Thundermuck is making me.
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  Speaker 11: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we get no money for it, by the way.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: This prostitution is making me thirsty. I'm just talking about
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: another cup of coffee. I never claimed to be inexpensive or.
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  Speaker 17: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown. Produced and
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  Speaker 17: edited by the Oddity Studios. with opening music performed by
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 17: the Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support
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  Speaker 4: Talk hard!