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The Lost Cosmonaut Theory · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Wait, I'm a check statue. There is wait the Hey, everybody,
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Speaker 1: welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown. Who
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Speaker 2: I'm Laura Crawford.
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Speaker 1: Laura's my co host today, and it's almost more like
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Speaker 1: I'm Laura's co host today.
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Speaker 2: I'm steering this ship, baby.
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Speaker 1: Because this episode was Laura's idea. Yes, and I'm just
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Speaker 1: I saw Joker last night, so it's as if I
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Speaker 1: Uh the show. The movie was not that great, That's
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Speaker 1: what I've heard. If I'm being completely honest, I think
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Speaker 1: I just think it's not a good movie. It's long
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Speaker 1: and boring and the big twists are really really fucking
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Speaker 1: it after I watched it, the less and less I
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Speaker 1: liked it. Joaquin Phoenix, his performance is good, but he's
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Speaker 1: a good actor like Phoenix. Yes, good in a lot
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in.
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Speaker 2: Everything coming in, Laura, see you later.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been I'm gonna take it from here.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Winter host this episode because you've proven
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Speaker 2: so incompetent.
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Speaker 1: She has to keep getting kicked out of the room.
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Speaker 1: I got to figure out a better setup for all this.
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Speaker 1: So what are we talking about today? Anyway?
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Speaker 2: Today we are talking about the Lost Cosmonauts theory, the
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Speaker 2: lost Cosmonauts conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 1: This is near and dear to my heart because it
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Speaker 1: kind of plays into one of my favorite movies that
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Speaker 1: everyone hates, which is Apollo nineteen what, which is a
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Speaker 1: found footage horror movie Okay that takes place on a
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Speaker 1: space Shuttle mission in the or no, I don't think
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Speaker 1: space shuttle, but one of our trips to the Moon,
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Speaker 1: and it's supposed to be our like lost our secret
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Speaker 1: trip to the moon that ended into disaster, so we
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Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone, and then they found the footage. And
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Speaker 1: part of the plot of that is that there were
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Speaker 1: cosmonauts who made it to the Moon and died there
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Speaker 1: and history just covered it up.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. That is pretty much in the vain when we're
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Speaker 2: talking about it. Is incredible to me how well known
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Speaker 2: moon landing conspiracies are. And most people who like conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theories are very aware of you know, people say we
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Speaker 2: didn't get to the Moon, or they're very quick to
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Speaker 2: know a lot about NASA related conspiracies. But I had
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Speaker 2: never heard of this cosmonauts theory until very recently, and
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Speaker 2: so you're not dancing around it. So this theory basically
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Speaker 2: states that unsuccessful Soviet space missions and the cosmons who
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Speaker 2: flew in them, they were covered up by authorities to
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Speaker 2: avoid negative publicity during the Cold War, Right, And that's
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Speaker 2: pretty much it. It covers a lot of different examples,
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Speaker 2: but that's your basic theory you're working with, Right. Russia
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Speaker 2: did do a lot of first in the space race,
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Speaker 2: and they potentially did other things before even their successful
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Speaker 2: missions that they covered up because they weren't they didn't
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Speaker 2: meet their their standards, or the people who were involved
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Speaker 2: were damaged afterwards in some way that they couldn't claim
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Speaker 2: them as successful pilots. Right, yeah, and it is when
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Speaker 2: I first heard about it, I was immediately believing. I was,
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Speaker 2: you know, I was very open to believing that that
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Speaker 2: was the case, because you know, I think you can
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Speaker 2: understand why.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I host a conspiracy theory podcast, Like,
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Speaker 1: there's there's a lot. I don't have any trouble believing
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Speaker 1: a lot of this. There's a thing at the end
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Speaker 1: that I think, and I think there can be some
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Speaker 1: holes poked in it, but uh yeah, the idea that
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Speaker 1: because it seems like the general idea is that because
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Speaker 1: Russia did put the first man in space in space,
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Speaker 1: but the idea is they tried a couple other times, yes,
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Speaker 1: and it failed, and they just covered that part up, which,
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Speaker 1: of course, yes.
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Speaker 2: It makes total sense. And everybody who's kind of familiar
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Speaker 2: with history knows that the USSR famously airbrush people out
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Speaker 2: of photos after they became you know, political prize or
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Speaker 2: they were disappeared in the gulags, and people are very
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Speaker 2: aware of how history has been edited by propaganda agents.
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Speaker 2: Within the Soviet Union, and they've disappeared people who didn't
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Speaker 2: they like. So stands to reason if there were failed cosmonauts,
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Speaker 2: or if there were cosmonauts that were fucked up after
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Speaker 2: their missions, they would cover it up. That makes total sense,
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Speaker 2: and they totally get why people would believe that. But
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Speaker 2: in doing my research, I am, as are the experts
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Speaker 2: very thoroughly convinced that all of these cases are bullshit
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Speaker 2: they bring up, and there's numerous ones, and they are
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Speaker 2: nearly all proven to be total horseshit, right, but for
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Speaker 2: interesting reasons. So we can get into that as we
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Speaker 2: go on. Yeah, but the story that I wanted to
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Speaker 2: tell first, I don't know if you found this as
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Speaker 2: thrilling as I did, but it was about Valentine Bondarenko. Yes, okay,
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Speaker 2: So the whole reason I got into the lost cosmonauts
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Speaker 2: thing was that I was real I think it was
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Speaker 2: maybe today I learned or something else where. I was
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Speaker 2: talking about the horrific death of this cosmon training pilot
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Speaker 2: named Valentine Bonorenco. And basically, in April nineteen sixty, this
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Speaker 2: young man he's selected for an elite cosmon training program
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Speaker 2: with nineteen other mcguy's and they're trying to fly the
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Speaker 2: Volstock spacecraft, which is what eury Gagarn took into space
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Speaker 2: for the first man in space. So they it get
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Speaker 2: selected in March, they start training a month later, and
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Speaker 2: then about like a year later. So Valentine is training.
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Speaker 2: He's in this fifteen day and Durn's experiment, right, He's
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Speaker 2: on day ten and it's at the Institute of Biomedical
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Speaker 2: Problems in Moscow.
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Speaker 1: What a name? What a name of the Institute of
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Speaker 1: Biomedical Problem.
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Speaker 2: The Biomedical problems.
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Speaker 1: Like they make problems, that's the institute to produce problems
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Speaker 1: here of a biomedical niche. And in this case they
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Speaker 1: did produce a fucking problem.
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Speaker 2: They really did. So Valentine is working in a low pressure,
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Speaker 2: altitude chamber with an atmosphere re least fifty percent oxygen.
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Speaker 2: So that's not a normal scenario that anyone on Earth
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Speaker 2: would be in. At the end of his shift, which
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Speaker 2: I imagine was probably like very long, he takes off
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Speaker 2: the biosensors that are on his body, you know, those
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Speaker 2: little sticky pad things that you would you're getting EKG
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Speaker 2: or something, and he washed his skin with the cotton
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Speaker 2: ball he'd soaked in alcohol. When he finished, he tossed
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Speaker 2: it towards the wast spin instead of landing in the
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Speaker 2: wais spin. The cotton ball landed on this hot plate
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Speaker 2: that he had been using in the chamber to make tea.
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Speaker 2: The ball burst into flames, and he tries to cover
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Speaker 2: the smother of the flames with his coverall sleeve, but
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Speaker 2: that's leeve ignited. So doctor was monitoring this experiment, but
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Speaker 2: he couldn't get the chamber door open to free him
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Speaker 2: for thirty minutes because it was the pressure differences internal
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Speaker 2: and external. So Valentine is finally rushed to a hospital
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Speaker 2: and he has third degree burns over so much of
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Speaker 2: his body that the only place they can get in
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Speaker 2: of ivy in is in his feet yesh shark treatment.
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Speaker 2: So after sixteen hours he dies of shock. And during
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Speaker 2: this time, Yuri Gagarin, who's the first man in space,
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Speaker 2: he's at his bedside because they're cosmonic training buddies, and
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Speaker 2: he was twenty four years old Valentine, and then three
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Speaker 2: weeks later Yuryagaran's in space. It's just insanely tragic. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so he was the youngest member.
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Speaker 1: And that's a confirmed story, that's not that that is
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Speaker 1: a United States propaganda.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into how people learned about this. So it
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Speaker 2: was also I was just thinking weird to think about
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Speaker 2: his age. So when nineteen fifty seven Sputnik one launches,
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Speaker 2: Valentine just graduated flight school. Flight school, so that's how
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Speaker 2: young he is. So his nickname was tinker Bell, Oh,
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Speaker 2: which that doesn't seem nice. Well, Valentine June, you's the
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Speaker 2: youngest guy. So basically he had been filmed and photographed
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Speaker 2: training with cosmonauts, but the press never reported his death
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Speaker 2: in this experiment. It was completely covered up. No one
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Speaker 2: reported it, and then he was photoshopped out of key
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Speaker 2: pictures with other cosmonauts after he died, and then his death.
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Speaker 1: Air brushed out.
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Speaker 2: Photoshops sorry, air pushed out, also trademark the whole also
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Speaker 2: trademark product.
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Speaker 1: It's going to be our bonus episode. Photoshop exists in
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Speaker 1: the seventies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a bit of a hetty lamar the internet.
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Speaker 2: So the public there's these rumors going around that he
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Speaker 2: had died in a failed flight experiment, and that other
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Speaker 2: guys had died in failed flight experiments. So in nineteen
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Speaker 2: eighty the details of his death are reported in the West,
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Speaker 2: and then Soviet citizens learned about that accident in a
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Speaker 2: news article six.
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Speaker 1: Years later, so not till eighty six.
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Speaker 2: Eighty six. But think about how slow that information flow is, just.
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Speaker 1: In time for chernoble to happen exactly, and for them
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Speaker 1: to forget about all of it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so here is a confirmed case of a cosmonaut's
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Speaker 2: death being covered up, right, and him being airbrushed out
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Speaker 2: of photos and his death not being reported, and that
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Speaker 2: causing a rumor mill to swirl that it was the
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Speaker 2: same thing repeated. So that's a confirmed true case. So
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Speaker 2: in that case, he is sort of a lost cosmonont right,
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Speaker 2: But the other cases we're going to go to are
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Speaker 2: not like that at all.
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Speaker 1: No, they are a little more as fantastic stickle as
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Speaker 1: that tale is. Yeah, they get crazier.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you you know, if you love the idea
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Speaker 2: of the tragic, horrific death of a beautiful young man,
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Speaker 2: burn even flames for a half hour while scientists can't
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Speaker 2: do anything, stay tuned, stay tuned. Yes, So the real question,
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Speaker 2: so we talk about this. This movie that's available on
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Speaker 2: Amazon called The Cosmonaut cover Up, and that is a
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Speaker 2: really good resource to watch about kind of explaining more
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Speaker 2: of this thing.
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Speaker 1: It's you said, it's a nineteen ninety nine documentary and
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Speaker 1: it looks it nice. Yes, that's that's the best.
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Speaker 2: They does all sound like frontline episodes. Tonight we're going
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Speaker 2: to talk about this. Oh yeah, documentaries are very different. Now, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I should have.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have time to watch the documentary for this
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Speaker 1: because you're leading that I'm chilling this week.
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Speaker 2: Lay back man. Yeah, or unless you're Errol Morris, his
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Speaker 2: documentaries are different. I'd like to see Errol Morris do
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Speaker 2: an Ancient Aliens episode.
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Speaker 1: That would be pretty great. Yeah, I should mention next
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Speaker 1: week's bonus episode. Me and Laura are recap in Ancient
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Speaker 1: Aliens season one, episode one. Maybe we're going to do
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Speaker 1: them all fourteen fucking seasons.
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Speaker 2: Catch up with those four years from now.
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Speaker 1: Is there going to be a country by the time
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Speaker 1: we get through that. Probably not.
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Speaker 2: No, No, we're going to be hiding from cannibals.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be marauding.
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Speaker 2: By electricity generator sending it on a Morse code.
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Speaker 1: But we're still going to record those episodes.
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Speaker 2: They're very important. Yeah, we love continuity more than anything.
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Speaker 2: So the real question here about man's quest to conquer space.
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Speaker 2: The Soviets are kicking our ass for a very long time,
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Speaker 2: which everyone acknowledges right, and the first man in space
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Speaker 2: it was a cheeky young gent. He's beautiful, gorgeous golden
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Speaker 2: boy looks actually been on a package of bread named
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Speaker 2: Yuri Gagarin. And Yuri Gagaran had a beautiful smile, and
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Speaker 2: it was amazing to me that the Soviets actually could
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Speaker 2: find someone who was as smiley as this young man is.
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Speaker 2: Have you seen him?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at a time when there's not a lot to
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Speaker 1: smile about. It's in the Soviet Union, and especially one
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Speaker 1: thing you always hear about Russia in general, and I'm
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Speaker 1: assuming this applied to the Soviet Union also, is smiling
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Speaker 1: too much is.
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Speaker 2: Regarded as a sign of idiocy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, people are like, what the fuck are you so
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Speaker 1: happy about? We're in Russia? Frowns us a frown? You
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Speaker 1: look pretty when you frown.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit feminine, you know, to be so smiley,
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Speaker 2: you know, But Yuri was. Yeah, he was a much
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Speaker 2: softer national hero than I thought that they would pick.
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Speaker 1: But they had they were competing with like we sent
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Speaker 1: our prettiest up into space at first too, like we
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Speaker 1: sent real Aryan archetypes sort of fellas well.
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Speaker 2: Also they are test pilots. Yeah, like yeah, they're military
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Speaker 2: fit and yeah yeah they look like G I. Joe characters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Russia is not going to send some fucking
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Speaker 1: vodka swill and schlub up there.
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Speaker 2: No, I just imagine they do more of a hard
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Speaker 2: looking man, you know, with like you know, like a
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Speaker 2: cut jaw, and like.
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Speaker 1: It's probably like how when you see those dogs walking
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Speaker 1: upright then you see the behind the scenes video and
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Speaker 1: it's someone beating them with a shoe while they stand
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Speaker 1: in the corner. They probably had to beat the smiley.
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Speaker 2: Uri had like little strings that they would pull it
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Speaker 2: in the side of smile, so that cosmat cover up.
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Speaker 2: The synopsis of that film is it turns out what
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Speaker 2: voice should we do for this?
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Speaker 1: It turns out it turns out I like that first one.
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Speaker 2: It turns out it turns out Yurika Garan was not
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Speaker 2: the first man in space, but was preceded by another
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Speaker 2: Soviet cosmonaut who crash landed was severely injured in his
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Speaker 2: identity capt secret until now oh no Sunday Sunday. So yes,
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Speaker 2: this is the theory and the dude in question who
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Speaker 2: they say, possibly it was the first man in space,
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Speaker 2: Vladimir Ilusian illusion, Illusion and why sometimes no other time? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Does the conspiracy theory character have to have a last
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Speaker 1: name that's so close to illusion It's like, come on,
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Speaker 1: I know, don't do this.
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Speaker 2: You know, Tito vodka, Tito beverage. Yeah, nomination of determinism.
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Speaker 1: Heard that phrase, I have it? Yeah, Tom Cruise, the
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Speaker 1: guy who runs the company that makes Rascal scooters. Perfect
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Speaker 1: fucking name.
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Speaker 2: Laura Crawford. Of course I fairy crows across water.
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Speaker 1: Right, and nothing with my last doesn't involve ship.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm such a child.
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Speaker 1: So Vladimir Illusion Illusion?
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Speaker 2: So this man was his father designed spacecraft?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 2: He designed spacecraft and pilot and an aircraft for the
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Speaker 2: Soviet Union. Is very famous vaulted. Uh you know, I
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Speaker 2: guess engineer and Vladimir Illusion. Have you seen what this
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Speaker 2: dude looks like?
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Speaker 1: No, I did not look up pictures of this guy.
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Speaker 2: He he is not cute.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, so of course you send him up
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Speaker 1: as the test dummy you burn the ugly ones.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not cute. He looks a bit froggish. I can't,
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Speaker 2: I can't put Yeah, yeah, type little peppish.
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Speaker 1: You get a pepin, he's got a little PEPs.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were leading away and everything, and still they
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Speaker 2: were trolling us of those memes. Then, so who the
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Speaker 2: hell is this guy? Major General Vladimir sigive Ilusian. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna do that accent as much as possible. Soviet general
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Speaker 2: and test pilot and son of aerospace engineer Serge Illusion
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Speaker 2: And most of his career was spent as a test
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Speaker 2: pilot for the sequoy Okab and then he went on
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Speaker 2: to become a rugby union administrator, inducted to the World
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Speaker 2: Rugby Hall of Fame in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Sure, sure, like you.
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Speaker 2: Do a man of many.
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Speaker 1: As one does. It also sounds like the kind of
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Speaker 1: job if you'd get if the government was trying to
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Speaker 1: get you to keep a secret for your entire life,
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Speaker 1: right right, They're like, all right, what are you going
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Speaker 1: to give me? And they're like, you want to run
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Speaker 1: a rugby league? Yeah? How about that?
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Speaker 2: I think it was yeah, because that reminds me of miracle,
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Speaker 2: you know, the miracle on Ice when the Soviets were
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Speaker 2: beaten by the Americans. Watching the ESPN feature about that
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Speaker 2: thirty for thirty and they were talking about how I
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Speaker 2: believe that guy was the first hockey coach, one of them.
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Speaker 2: He was somehow involved in the plane crash that killed
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Speaker 2: Stalin Son. Oh, yeah, me if I'm wrong, But I
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Speaker 2: believe that there was a connection with that, and it
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Speaker 2: was sort of a shifted move, you know, within the
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Speaker 2: realm of politics, to get him out of focus of
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Speaker 2: serious shit, make him go coach hockey.
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Speaker 1: Oh when they didn't know what hockey was interesting.
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Speaker 2: But this dude is definitively a badass. Like Vladimir Lucian
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Speaker 2: is a fucking crack pilot. He's one of the best
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Speaker 2: fucking pilots that you could ever think of. And how
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Speaker 2: ace pilot was this fucker. He was a test pilot
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Speaker 2: in the Sukoi SU twenty four. His flight course was
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Speaker 2: so precise he caused a software crash and aircraft instrumentation.
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Speaker 1: Laura, how does that happen?
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Speaker 2: So the software they were using to this navitack system
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Speaker 2: didn't have a null function. I had to look up
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Speaker 2: what that was. It failed to proceed after it hit
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Speaker 2: the machine zero. His actual geographicable position became identical to
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Speaker 2: the emission target input into the software. No one had
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Speaker 2: expected any pilot to meet this objective and there was
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Speaker 2: no provision in the software for it.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yes, so he flew so perfect. The software
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Speaker 1: was like rushed. Yeah, no one could be flying this perfect.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it overloaded the system and they couldn't handle it.
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Speaker 2: They pretty much determined these aerospace engineers could not believe
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Speaker 2: that someone could mechanically fly so perfectly.
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Speaker 1: That sounds that sounds about Russian, that sounds about like
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Speaker 1: the don't smile too much thing. It's like, why are
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Speaker 1: you happy? Like why would you assume any of us
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Speaker 1: would be that perfect? Don't even put it.
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Speaker 2: In this could be that perfect. But this was really
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Speaker 2: a Capstow moment for me or something that was a
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Speaker 2: really revelatory And I was like, what do I love
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Speaker 2: about the Soviet highs and lows? The highest highs, the
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Speaker 2: lowest fucking lows. Yeah, we killed seven million of our
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Speaker 2: own people, but we're super fucking perfect. That piloting and
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Speaker 2: ballet in the Olympics were excellent. But just that human
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Speaker 2: endeavor of like reaching so high and also being so
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Speaker 2: degraded and.
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Speaker 1: Just so fucked up. Yeah, I love it.
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Speaker 2: I love that. To economy it's so fun, But he's
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Speaker 2: that fucking crack of pilot as opposed to Yuri Gagarin,
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Speaker 2: who had kind of like Bondarenko, just finished flight school
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Speaker 2: a few years earlier and was a good pilot, right,
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Speaker 2: But he wasn't the top pilot and his dad wasn't
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Speaker 2: an aerospace engineer for the party, you know, he wasn't
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Speaker 2: famous like the Lusians were famous. They were celebrities. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this is an era. I think we kind of forget
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Speaker 2: about it now, but you look at like the Green
18:52
Speaker 2: Lantern and shit like that. Sixties test pilots were kind
18:55
Speaker 2: of famous.
18:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of stands to reason that this
18:59
Speaker 1: guy would have been first, that it would have shown
19:01
Speaker 1: you wasn't that good. Yeah.
19:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going to choose someone to be in
19:04
Speaker 2: a space mission, assuming they meet all the physical protocol
19:06
Speaker 2: and all YadA YadA, whatever, eyesight is good, right, too tall,
19:11
Speaker 2: you would assume they would choose him. That would make
19:13
Speaker 2: the most sense because of his family's position and who
19:16
Speaker 2: he was and how well he was fucking flying. So
19:18
Speaker 2: there is a theory that states that he was the
19:22
Speaker 2: first man in orbit and not Eureka garn And kind
19:25
Speaker 2: of why they say that this was not reported. So
19:29
Speaker 2: the claim is that there was a failure aboard the
19:31
Speaker 2: spacecraft and a cause controllers to bring the descending capsule
19:35
Speaker 2: down several orbits earlier than they hadn't intended, and as
19:38
Speaker 2: a result of this illusion crash landed in the People's
19:42
Speaker 2: Republic of China and then he was supposedly held by
19:45
Speaker 2: the Chinese authorities for a year before they give him back.
19:49
Speaker 1: To the Soviet Union. Right, So this is the.
19:51
Speaker 2: Theory basically is that Vladimir Lucian flew the mission, got
19:54
Speaker 2: fucked up, he lost consciousness, drained part of it, he
19:57
Speaker 2: did extra orbits, landed in the wrong place in China,
20:01
Speaker 2: which they had very strained negative relations with the USSR
20:04
Speaker 2: at that time. They held him for a year and
20:06
Speaker 2: then returned him.
20:07
Speaker 1: And this is supposing that the Russians pulled off like
20:11
Speaker 1: a secret space mission.
20:13
Speaker 2: Secret launch, Yes, a secret launch that was well, there's
20:17
Speaker 2: some evidence in the press that did report this story,
20:21
Speaker 2: that did report a by illusion. The dates get very
20:23
Speaker 2: important and sort of weird to put things on a timeline.
20:26
Speaker 2: So in nineteen sixty one April tenth, the Daily Worker,
20:30
Speaker 2: which is a communist newspaper, that's in the West.
20:33
Speaker 1: They report use code on pops at checkout for fifteen percent.
20:37
Speaker 1: Offic description to the.
20:38
Speaker 2: Daily Worker, Yeah, people listen to this don't work.
20:42
Speaker 1: Good point.
20:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they reported that test pilot Usion was never
20:47
Speaker 2: in a car rex. Okay, so the official Soviet story.
20:50
Speaker 2: One of the things that they claimed was that Illusion
20:52
Speaker 2: was in a car accident and that.
20:54
Speaker 1: It would have been impossible. That's why could fly because
20:57
Speaker 1: it was in a car wreck, and that because how
20:59
Speaker 1: high file of a figure was this guy.
21:02
Speaker 2: He was reported on the press. I mean, he was
21:04
Speaker 2: kind of a celebrity.
21:05
Speaker 1: So he at some point, whether he was injured in
21:08
Speaker 1: a space flight or a car accident, had to like
21:11
Speaker 1: disappear from the public.
21:12
Speaker 2: Guys in the hospital for a while. Yeah, we're getting
21:14
Speaker 2: treated for carrac or possibly a failed spaceflight. So they
21:21
Speaker 2: said that he was never in a car rec and
21:23
Speaker 2: that he had failed on this orbital space flight on
21:27
Speaker 2: the seventh. So this is the tenth of April, so
21:30
Speaker 2: the name three days earlier. This dude was not in
21:32
Speaker 2: a car rec. He was in a space flight that failed.
21:35
Speaker 2: And yeah, so ury Gagar launched it on April ninth.
21:39
Speaker 2: So this story hits the press the day after eury
21:41
Speaker 2: Gagar and goes into space. They say, bullshit, it was
21:44
Speaker 2: this dude. He just did it three days ago. So
21:48
Speaker 2: the timeline's very close. Everything on here is, you know,
21:50
Speaker 2: with the Americans and the Soviets, that's very close in timeline,
21:53
Speaker 2: and this is very close. So then this French broadcaster
21:57
Speaker 2: Eduard Bobrovski, he also reported a similar story, but he
22:01
Speaker 2: said that the launch date was back in March and
22:04
Speaker 2: that Aleusian had gotten to a coma afterwards.
22:07
Speaker 1: Huh, it's very odd.
22:08
Speaker 2: So in later in nineteen sixty one, the US News
22:12
Speaker 2: and World Report claimed Gagarin never even flew. He was
22:16
Speaker 2: just a cover up for the injured Alusian.
22:18
Speaker 3: So no one successfully No, They say that Illusian did fly,
22:23
Speaker 3: but he was injured in the process, and they claimed
22:26
Speaker 3: that you're a Gagarin never flew at all.
22:28
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so they made Gregari in the face of
22:32
Speaker 1: it to make it seem like it went better than
22:34
Speaker 1: it did.
22:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people were saying that Gagarin didn't even fly
22:38
Speaker 2: to cover it up, like there was no attempt to
22:40
Speaker 2: do another launch a couple days later.
22:42
Speaker 1: Interesting, it's very bizarre.
22:44
Speaker 2: And then Kenneth Gatlin in sixty seven wrote a book
22:47
Speaker 2: and he kind of talks about it, about this story,
22:50
Speaker 2: and he says that there was just all this secrecy
22:53
Speaker 2: around the cosmon training program in general, and then the
22:55
Speaker 2: secrecy kind of started breaking down, and there was a
22:58
Speaker 2: rumor from Moscow that Russian Cosmo had been launched in
23:00
Speaker 2: secret on April seventh, which is a Friday. And then
23:03
Speaker 2: at BUP, which is a department of propaganda I think,
23:06
Speaker 2: message to London at midnight on April eleventh quoted unidentifated
23:10
Speaker 2: sources as suggesting that the cosmonaut was still undergoing physical
23:14
Speaker 2: examination by Soviet scientists, that he was suffering from postflight
23:17
Speaker 2: effects of a nature more emotional than physical.
23:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I read that part. Yeah.
23:23
Speaker 2: BUP continued. Is reported that the astronaut was a professional
23:26
Speaker 2: test pilot and son of a prominent aircraft designer. Russian
23:30
Speaker 2: foreign journalists are maintaining a round the clock vigil waiting
23:33
Speaker 2: for an official announcement. However, official sources still maintain absolute
23:36
Speaker 2: science silence, absolute science absolute silence. They didn't deny or
23:41
Speaker 2: conform their reports. So Guinness Book of World Records gave
23:45
Speaker 2: the phantom Cosmo's credence by including Illusion's flight in their
23:48
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four edition.
23:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like, this is all happening at such
23:55
Speaker 1: a weird time in not just Russian history, but also
23:58
Speaker 1: United States history.
24:01
Speaker 2: Very because obviously great secrecy. We knew that governments were
24:05
Speaker 2: doing these kind of secret programs, obviously because of the
24:07
Speaker 2: out of them.
24:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, but not just that, but also such a time
24:11
Speaker 1: for propaganda in misinformation, right, So I would be equally
24:17
Speaker 1: inclined to believe the version where Illusion goes up in space,
24:22
Speaker 1: gets hurt and they make Gregory in the face of it.
24:25
Speaker 2: Gagar Sorry, Gregar gag Arn, Gagarin.
24:30
Speaker 1: Gageron, Gagaron, Gagarin. Uh. I could see them making him
24:34
Speaker 1: the face of it, or I could see it went
24:37
Speaker 1: as Russia said it did. In the United States put
24:40
Speaker 1: this story out and was like, no, they sent someone
24:43
Speaker 1: else up first and he got hurt, so it's not
24:45
Speaker 1: really as cool as it seems. And then they're like
24:48
Speaker 1: put it in the Guinness Book of World Records. Let's
24:50
Speaker 1: troll these motherfuckers.
24:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's also a time when obviously Moscow is
24:56
Speaker 2: rife with rumors, and that's the nature of the kind
24:58
Speaker 2: of secrecy that they had was people were always getting
25:01
Speaker 2: anonymous sources, and they were always getting you know, everyone
25:04
Speaker 2: had their sources. And obviously it's a time of great
25:06
Speaker 2: you know, spy espionage is at its peak. It's the
25:09
Speaker 2: Cold War. So that doesn't surprise me that there was
25:12
Speaker 2: a lot of information and misinformation coming out of Moscow.
25:15
Speaker 1: No one's passed by that.
25:17
Speaker 2: But it's interesting and that cosmonaut cover of thing. Their
25:20
Speaker 2: evidence for why this is plausible. One of the things
25:23
Speaker 2: they mentioned is that Khrushchev is in Moscow at the
25:28
Speaker 2: time of Ayushin's launch a lleged launched so April seventh.
25:31
Speaker 2: Khrushchev's in Moscow, right, But when you're a guitar and
25:34
Speaker 2: launched a couple of days later, he's on vacation.
25:37
Speaker 1: That is legitimately strange to me.
25:39
Speaker 2: Yes, there's a theory that Khrushev was so disheartened or
25:43
Speaker 2: pissed off, whatever you want to say of the failure
25:46
Speaker 2: of Aleutian's flight, that he had to go on vacation. Girl,
25:51
Speaker 2: I need a many petty I am spent.
25:53
Speaker 1: It does seem like weird timing.
25:55
Speaker 2: It is on timing that they would have the first
25:58
Speaker 2: man going into space and the president would be on occasion.
26:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, but would but would be at the same location
26:04
Speaker 1: where the first man goes into space A couple of
26:08
Speaker 1: days later, a couple days earlier, Yeah, for.
26:11
Speaker 2: No particulars know, a couple of days later, a couple
26:13
Speaker 2: days earlier, which would make sense if they were going
26:15
Speaker 2: to announce a huge, you know, massive accomplishment like that, you
26:18
Speaker 2: would need to be there to official answer to the
26:20
Speaker 2: press or whatever. That is an odd Yeah, yeah, that's bizarre.
26:26
Speaker 2: And then there's the other evidence they point to has
26:29
Speaker 2: to do more with China. But the whole China angle
26:32
Speaker 2: kind of proves and disproves it. It's very cute China
26:35
Speaker 2: good work. They're very interesting because, like I said, you know,
26:37
Speaker 2: Soviet Sino relations at this time were very strained. The
26:40
Speaker 2: Soviets and the Chinese did not get along as you
26:44
Speaker 2: would assume they would. I guess are people aware of
26:46
Speaker 2: that that they kind of fucking hated each other to
26:48
Speaker 2: an extent?
26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people. I think people just aren't sure
26:53
Speaker 1: either way. Yeah, because China is that like they're always
26:57
Speaker 1: kind of a wild card where pop about China always
27:00
Speaker 1: have to sort of get along with China, but no
27:03
Speaker 1: one ever really gets along with China, right, Like they
27:06
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of friends.
27:07
Speaker 2: They just just doing their own thing. Yeah, total self interest,
27:10
Speaker 2: you know.
27:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and so yeah, the story here is that
27:15
Speaker 1: he crash landed in China.
27:18
Speaker 2: Yes, he crashed landed in China. Which it's strange that
27:22
Speaker 2: if he had, if that had happened, the Chinese could
27:25
Speaker 2: have used that as a major propaganda tool. Yea, you
27:28
Speaker 2: know how I mean, it makes me think of when
27:30
Speaker 2: people would defect to the Soviet Union or in Vietnam,
27:33
Speaker 2: when they would get soldiers to read those like confessions
27:36
Speaker 2: and promote the cause of the North or whatever it is.
27:39
Speaker 2: You know, when you brainwash your captives and then they're like,
27:42
Speaker 2: I agree with my captors. Fuck America, you know, and
27:45
Speaker 2: they're dead.
27:45
Speaker 1: Talking about the camera.
27:46
Speaker 2: They could have easily done that. They could have said, oh,
27:49
Speaker 2: fuck you Russian scientists, I'm not gonna do a Chinese accent.
27:53
Speaker 2: Fuck you Russian scientists, we got your boy, We're gonna
27:56
Speaker 2: kill him, you.
27:57
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. I can't picture China not making
28:01
Speaker 1: some announcement that hey, a fucking Russian astronaut crash landed
28:07
Speaker 1: in China. And had they made that announcement, I can't
28:11
Speaker 1: picture that not being huge news in the United storlstate.
28:14
Speaker 2: Of course it would because it would have been that
28:16
Speaker 2: this man was in space and is now there and
28:18
Speaker 2: they have him captive, and it would have been obviously
28:21
Speaker 2: a huge embarrassment to the Soviet Union and lost a
28:24
Speaker 2: lot of you know, probably support for space programs in general.
28:27
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people would have been even
28:28
Speaker 2: more cautious about whether that's something they really want to
28:31
Speaker 2: engage in. And yeah, the Chinese would have jumped on
28:34
Speaker 2: that moment, and that didn't happen. But weird fact, after
28:39
Speaker 2: Yuri Gagaran goes to space, all the other countries of
28:41
Speaker 2: the world basically send Russia these notes or messages of
28:46
Speaker 2: congratulations cleaning the US. You know, they just, you know, congratulations.
28:50
Speaker 2: He did the first recondmand in space. China didn't send
28:52
Speaker 2: them one, but in all subsequent space launches they did
28:56
Speaker 2: send them congratulations. Interesting hmm, almost to say we know
29:02
Speaker 2: this is bullshit.
29:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, see, that's it's possible. As much as I
29:08
Speaker 1: want to believe, well, China would have used this as
29:10
Speaker 1: some kind of bargaining chip. Maybe they did. Maybe they
29:14
Speaker 1: went to Russia and were like, we got your boy. Mm. Hmm,
29:17
Speaker 1: what are you going to do in exchange for US
29:20
Speaker 1: keeping this quiet? So they might have done that in Russia,
29:23
Speaker 1: just gave him what they wanted, so they didn't go
29:25
Speaker 1: like Russia may have been blackmailed.
29:27
Speaker 2: True, they very well could have happened. There's no evidence
29:30
Speaker 2: for it that anyone can attest to. Like, no one's
29:32
Speaker 2: come out and said wright that they were privy to
29:34
Speaker 2: such information.
29:35
Speaker 1: But who would I don't know, like who would in Russia?
29:39
Speaker 2: No, I'm on the Chinese side. That's not going either.
29:42
Speaker 2: It's not come out on either side that any of
29:43
Speaker 2: them can fully purport that there was any bargaining tools.
29:46
Speaker 2: But twist, another twist, even twist, twist twist. Ilushin actually
29:52
Speaker 2: was traced to a Chinese health resort. He was in
29:55
Speaker 2: China around the time of this alleged crash, but he
29:59
Speaker 2: was at a health resort and Hang Chow and he
30:02
Speaker 2: had been there for a while. He had a serious
30:05
Speaker 2: leg injury in a road accident in the previous June. Interesting,
30:09
Speaker 2: so he was at the Moscow Traumatology Hospital.
30:14
Speaker 1: Why are they so good at naming things? Oh my godness,
30:17
Speaker 1: traumas and biomedical problems.
30:19
Speaker 2: Traumas and the traumatology. Oh my god, traumatology would be
30:23
Speaker 2: the great name of a like a Jana Jackson album
30:27
Speaker 2: about childhood. Well, you are in trauma t oology.
30:32
Speaker 1: You can take that.
30:32
Speaker 2: Janet Good. Jimmy Jam, what.
30:35
Speaker 1: Is Jimmy Jam? And Terry Lewis Jam and Lewis?
30:37
Speaker 2: Sure Terry Lewis, I would say Terry Lewis, but that
30:39
Speaker 2: to me just sounds like Sherry Lewis or a guy
30:41
Speaker 2: who played in the NFL that I don't know about.
30:43
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a Terry Lewis in the NFL
30:46
Speaker 1: as well.
30:47
Speaker 2: I would put dozens of pennies on.
30:49
Speaker 1: Maybe he played for the Vikings that's where Jam and
30:52
Speaker 1: Lewis were from Minnesota.
30:53
Speaker 2: Yes, it's true. It's so cold it keeps out the
30:55
Speaker 2: bad people. That's what Prince would say. You know, Oh really, yeah,
30:59
Speaker 2: it's so cold it keeps out assholes.
31:01
Speaker 1: Seriously, that makes sense.
31:03
Speaker 4: I know.
31:04
Speaker 2: Somehow he survived. So he had been at the Moscow
31:06
Speaker 2: Straw Pathology Hospital iliotionin and he remained bedridden at home
31:10
Speaker 2: until January sixty one, and he was still walking with
31:13
Speaker 2: a cane m So the odds of someone who had
31:16
Speaker 2: just been in a if he was in a road
31:18
Speaker 2: accident walking with a cane are But when you trace
31:21
Speaker 2: this back, you really see the sort of overlapping information
31:25
Speaker 2: that different stories present. Because some people said he was
31:27
Speaker 2: in a coma, some people said he was in a
31:29
Speaker 2: road accident. Some people said he was emotionally disturbed, you
31:33
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So there's a lot of different
31:35
Speaker 2: you know, theories, But what's going on with this dude.
31:38
Speaker 2: So one of the things that really pops a hole
31:40
Speaker 2: in this whole deal is they claim that illusion his
31:43
Speaker 2: mission got fucked up, and he did. He was only
31:47
Speaker 2: supposed to go on a single orbit, but they're claiming
31:49
Speaker 2: that he did multiple orbits, and that just doesn't make
31:52
Speaker 2: any sense. It would be like impossible to happen.
31:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, how would multiple orbits work?
31:58
Speaker 2: Just they say that's why he land in China because
32:00
Speaker 2: he was swinging around and couldn't land. In reruns, so he.
32:03
Speaker 1: Was like going up into orbit and then coming Yeah,
32:05
Speaker 1: he was like out and then going back. And I
32:08
Speaker 1: don't know it because I feel like getting into orbit
32:10
Speaker 1: is the worst part of a space Yeah.
32:12
Speaker 2: And then he was rotating around the Earth.
32:13
Speaker 1: I believe weird exactly.
32:15
Speaker 2: I'm not an aerospace engineer.
32:17
Speaker 1: You're not, No, you had.
32:20
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm four credits shy, so it's close enough. No,
32:23
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding, I'm not at all. So that's a
32:25
Speaker 2: good disclaimer to put out there. The whole story of
32:27
Speaker 2: extra orbits doesn't make sense. The nora at tracking stations
32:31
Speaker 2: have no record of this launch, and uh press scart
32:34
Speaker 2: to the White House, mister Challenger, he said the US
32:37
Speaker 2: government had no information of a Soviet launching on the day.
32:40
Speaker 2: And then essentially it's just there's hundreds of photos that
32:44
Speaker 2: have been released pre impost USR collapse, and there's not
32:48
Speaker 2: one that shows ilusian and cosmonaut training or a launch.
32:52
Speaker 2: And you know what you're saying, they put they airbrush
32:53
Speaker 2: people out.
32:54
Speaker 1: But right, I was about to say that a.
32:56
Speaker 2: Lot of the photos that they have they do they
32:59
Speaker 2: are on airbrush and showed people that were later disappeared,
33:01
Speaker 2: and HUD's not in any of them. And no one
33:04
Speaker 2: else in the Cosmont training program has ever said that
33:07
Speaker 2: they worked with him.
33:08
Speaker 1: Weird.
33:09
Speaker 2: Nobody else will say that they worked with him, and
33:12
Speaker 2: so no official documents, no, not even a single paper
33:15
Speaker 2: has ever been produced that would verify him as a cosmonaut.
33:18
Speaker 2: And there's like no first hand wains accounts. There's one
33:21
Speaker 2: guy who says it in this documentary, but Elusian himself
33:25
Speaker 2: refused to get on camera for that documentary. They went
33:28
Speaker 2: to Russia and he said he would participate, and then
33:30
Speaker 2: the last moment he said no. And a lot of
33:31
Speaker 2: people are saying he was worried about and this is
33:34
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, so it's not like he's worried about
33:37
Speaker 2: retribution from the KGB or something. Well, he was an
33:41
Speaker 2: old man and tons of people had come out and
33:43
Speaker 2: said things that were you know, but.
33:45
Speaker 1: That was that was at a point where, yeah, it
33:49
Speaker 1: was at a point where Russia was still they were
33:55
Speaker 1: sort of transitioning from They had that period where they
33:59
Speaker 1: were really open and honest about how their government worked,
34:03
Speaker 1: and that happened like kind of under the Boris yelts
34:06
Speaker 1: and rain, and toward the end of that.
34:07
Speaker 2: There was a glass ghost. There's openness.
34:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, And toward the end of that is when Putin
34:13
Speaker 1: takes power for the first time. And that all happens
34:17
Speaker 1: around ninety eight ninety nine, like around the time of
34:20
Speaker 1: the Russian apartment bombings, So it's possible he was already
34:25
Speaker 1: back into that point in Russian history where they were
34:28
Speaker 1: leaning on people to not to just talk about like this.
34:31
Speaker 2: It's possible, It definitely is possible. But Alyushan died in
34:34
Speaker 2: twenty ten and going to his grave claimed that that
34:38
Speaker 2: didn't happen. He never participated in the launch.
34:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's weird. The Russian the cruise chef thing
34:45
Speaker 1: is weird.
34:46
Speaker 2: The other thing that they point to one of the
34:48
Speaker 2: things that they say as sort of it's very soft evidence.
34:52
Speaker 2: But Gagarin in his later life, he didn't live very long.
34:57
Speaker 2: He died in a filled pilot any mission testing equipment
35:02
Speaker 2: as a test pilot in I think sixty seven or
35:04
Speaker 2: sixty eight. And people find that death suspicious.
35:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime someone dies in close proximity to a possible conspiracy.
35:15
Speaker 2: Or an equipment made by the government suspicious.
35:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
35:18
Speaker 2: And people were saying that he had developed a nasty
35:22
Speaker 2: drinking problem. He was really acting depressed and out of control,
35:26
Speaker 2: and reportedly through a glass of champagne and fresh.
35:29
Speaker 1: And of space Jesus.
35:32
Speaker 2: Which these are rumors though there's nothing that really can
35:34
Speaker 2: be No, couldn't one hole up in court, right, it's
35:38
Speaker 2: all hearsay and rumors. And some people claim that he
35:41
Speaker 2: was a real drunk. Other people have downplayed that. So
35:44
Speaker 2: the glink there is there's claiming that, well, you know,
35:48
Speaker 2: Gagarn was guilty because he knew he wasn't the.
35:50
Speaker 1: First man in space.
35:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just that guilt eating away at him
35:55
Speaker 2: and making him pour that fog out like it was,
35:57
Speaker 2: you know, fucking New Orleans on Saint Patrick's Day.
36:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the thing with any struggle to finish
36:02
Speaker 1: that sentence. You did, but you brought it home, fuck me, Yeah,
36:06
Speaker 1: you brought it around. Sorry. Yeah, you see that a
36:09
Speaker 1: lot too. Like that. That's the thing with a conspiracy
36:12
Speaker 1: theory is because you're always working with information that isn't certain.
36:18
Speaker 1: There's details like that that could go either way. It
36:20
Speaker 1: could be yeah, well he's obviously something is eating him
36:24
Speaker 1: up inside. And it's like.
36:25
Speaker 2: Altran said that he became an alcoholic after he came
36:27
Speaker 2: back because he just didn't feel like he had a
36:29
Speaker 2: purpose anymore.
36:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it could be anything, and you know, like
36:33
Speaker 1: Ggaran could have fucking murdered someone and it just that
36:38
Speaker 1: was eating him up and we don't know about that,
36:39
Speaker 1: Like you know, like those.
36:41
Speaker 2: Are tired of touring and doing publicity shit.
36:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there's there's any number of things that could
36:46
Speaker 1: play into someone becoming an alcoholic and dying young.
36:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, or of yeah, suffering depression, or of seemen publicly
36:54
Speaker 2: not able to hold it together.
36:55
Speaker 1: Although he was going on international press stores all the
36:58
Speaker 1: I'm still letting him do tests for They.
37:00
Speaker 2: Didn't let him do it until a long time later.
37:02
Speaker 2: They wouldn't let him after he came back. He was
37:07
Speaker 2: not put in space very often, kind of because he
37:09
Speaker 2: was a national asset and a national hero, and they
37:12
Speaker 2: didn't want something to go wrong and kill him, like
37:15
Speaker 2: happened to one of his best friends, Komarov.
37:17
Speaker 1: Died in an accident. Oh yeah, yeah, so there.
37:21
Speaker 2: Was an attempt to kind of shield him from potentially
37:24
Speaker 2: dangerous situations in that case. To me, though, I am
37:26
Speaker 2: not convinced that Vladimir Lucian was the first man in space.
37:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's not enough evidence there really to say
37:34
Speaker 1: one way or another. It seems possible, but also it's
37:38
Speaker 1: sort of a boy who christ just as possible that
37:41
Speaker 1: it wasn't possible, Like it's it's could go either way,
37:44
Speaker 1: right on.
37:45
Speaker 2: This with Soviet you didn't conspiracy with us? Is our
37:49
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories? I feel like it's a very boy who
37:51
Speaker 2: cried both type of thing, right, Yeah, Because they've covered
37:54
Speaker 2: up deaths and they've killed people and they disappeared people,
37:57
Speaker 2: and they've done fucked up shit so many times before,
38:00
Speaker 2: it's really hard to buy that they didn't do it
38:02
Speaker 2: in these cases.
38:03
Speaker 1: Right, And it's but it's it's just as easy for
38:07
Speaker 1: me because the thing about him not being in any
38:10
Speaker 1: of those pictures that have become classified nothing, something about
38:15
Speaker 1: that makes me feel like this story could have also
38:18
Speaker 1: been like a disinformation thing that was planted by another government,
38:23
Speaker 1: maybe even US, Yeah, to just kind of put some
38:28
Speaker 1: some some taint on the story for Russia, because that's
38:32
Speaker 1: the kind of shit, Like we do that too, And
38:36
Speaker 1: I don't doubt that we're active in social media misinformation
38:41
Speaker 1: campaigns in other countries. Oh we are, for sure, just
38:45
Speaker 1: like Russia is in ours. And back then we were
38:48
Speaker 1: doing the same things Russia was doing like that. That's
38:51
Speaker 1: a thing that happens, Like we spread in misinformation about
38:54
Speaker 1: countries we don't like. So yeah, that this could have
38:57
Speaker 1: just as easily been that.
38:59
Speaker 2: Certainly totally could have been that, and uh yeah, gosh,
39:02
Speaker 2: I just blinked out of that but it is, it's
39:04
Speaker 2: totally believable, and it is lacking in enough official evidence
39:08
Speaker 2: to make it unbelievable.
39:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
39:10
Speaker 2: The thing that's very sad to me, though, is I
39:13
Speaker 2: know it comes out everything is so close on these dates,
39:16
Speaker 2: But if you fly three days after the first man
39:19
Speaker 2: in space, I feel like you should still find that
39:22
Speaker 2: to be a massive accomplishment. Even if ury Gagaran was
39:25
Speaker 2: not the first man in space. Yeah, it's thirty six
39:28
Speaker 2: hours later he's in space. You know, it's just yeah,
39:32
Speaker 2: it's a race, and I know it comes down to
39:34
Speaker 2: these close because.
39:35
Speaker 4: He still would have been first, right, he would have
39:38
Speaker 4: been first successful Because if you're saying, our mission is
39:41
Speaker 4: to put a man in space, single orbit return safely
39:45
Speaker 4: to the ussr ury Gagaran completed that and Vladimir Lusian
39:48
Speaker 4: did not.
39:49
Speaker 1: Right. What makes it seem unlikely to me? Did Russia
39:53
Speaker 1: have that kind of money at the time. That's another
39:56
Speaker 1: day point one craft up and it breaks down, the
40:00
Speaker 1: imediately have another one to send.
40:01
Speaker 2: They did not. That's a really good point that Russia
40:04
Speaker 2: did not have that kind of money. I know that
40:06
Speaker 2: people are saying, you know, they always pointed data about
40:09
Speaker 2: how what was it ten percent of the budget in
40:13
Speaker 2: the sixties was put toward NASA with the space race.
40:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.
40:17
Speaker 2: And they sort of believe that because Russia had such
40:19
Speaker 2: an Russia USSR, because USSR had such a vested interest
40:23
Speaker 2: in the success of the Soviet space program, that they
40:26
Speaker 2: would throw any amount of money at it, and there
40:29
Speaker 2: was just sky's the limit on the budget. The truth
40:31
Speaker 2: of the matter is with the cosmodics program, it was
40:34
Speaker 2: not like the it was not like NASA. They had
40:37
Speaker 2: different competing departments who were working on space related projects.
40:41
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of evidence that Khrushev was not
40:45
Speaker 2: initially as crazy about promoting the space race as people
40:50
Speaker 2: make it sound. He was more interested in long range
40:53
Speaker 2: missiles ICBMs, so he wanted a lot of rocket scientists
40:56
Speaker 2: to build missiles. He didn't really give a shit as
40:58
Speaker 2: much about you know, the science breakthrough and you know,
41:00
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, we sent a dog to space. He's like,
41:02
Speaker 2: fuck it, I want to blow things up.
41:03
Speaker 1: I don't care about to talk it space.
41:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh like, but yeah, there's that aspect of it
41:11
Speaker 2: that the whole just setup of those programs were completely
41:13
Speaker 2: different than they were in the US. And it was
41:14
Speaker 2: not as concentrated, and it was didn't have the money
41:17
Speaker 2: that they would have thought. They had to reuse gagarans
41:20
Speaker 2: uh uniform, Right, it reused for Gagarden's uniform for part
41:24
Speaker 2: of it. They just when those things crashed, that's millions
41:27
Speaker 2: of dollars in years of work just wiped out.
41:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have like, oh.
41:31
Speaker 2: We got an extra we got an extra rocket line around, Yes,
41:34
Speaker 2: she use that one.
41:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that part seems unlikely.
41:37
Speaker 2: The US didn't even have nows. It didn't even have
41:39
Speaker 2: like you know, still don't. No, they don't have extra
41:42
Speaker 2: just like oh in their spaceships. Blowing up is catastrophic
41:45
Speaker 2: to a space program.
41:46
Speaker 1: It is.
41:46
Speaker 2: And there was a case where uh, a craft had
41:49
Speaker 2: failed to launch and it was failing to lift off
41:53
Speaker 2: from the pad, and uh they were told that they
41:57
Speaker 2: needed to fix it right there on the pad. Yeah,
41:59
Speaker 2: so all these scientists went out and engineers and started
42:02
Speaker 2: working on it. Yeah, and it blew up, killed them all,
42:05
Speaker 2: about seventy eight people.
42:06
Speaker 1: So we have some other examples.
42:08
Speaker 2: So there's other examples of quote unquote lost cosmonauts about
42:12
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty nine, so that would put us after Sputnik
42:15
Speaker 2: before you're a gagard. A high ranking Czech Communists claimed
42:20
Speaker 2: that there was many unofficial space shots and he listed
42:24
Speaker 2: that Alexi Ladowski launched inside a converted R five A
42:28
Speaker 2: rocket and then he said also these dudes were Andre Mitkoff,
42:32
Speaker 2: Sergei Shaborn and Maria Gramova. First woman we're hearing about
42:36
Speaker 2: for aggressive. Yeah, in fifty nine, so this is several
42:39
Speaker 2: years before. And in the same year of fifty nine,
42:43
Speaker 2: this space theoretician Herman o'berth claimed that a pilot killed
42:47
Speaker 2: on was killed on a suborbital ballistic flight and he
42:51
Speaker 2: provides no source. And this Italian news agency, The Continental
42:57
Speaker 2: reported what.
42:57
Speaker 1: That means Cuban Hmmm, nice true?
43:02
Speaker 2: They reported repeated the claims that a series of Cosmont
43:06
Speaker 2: debts that occurred on suborbital flights and these were now
43:09
Speaker 2: being revealed by a high ranking check Communists. They identified
43:13
Speaker 2: the cosmonauts as Alexei Ladowski, Sorrenti Schabourn, Andre Mitcow and
43:18
Speaker 2: Maria Groumov, so not the same names, still very kind
43:22
Speaker 2: of close. And then still no source. But this next one,
43:26
Speaker 2: this next one is one of my favorite. It is
43:28
Speaker 2: quite a stunner doozy it's a doozy of a of
43:31
Speaker 2: a theory and audio to go with it.
43:34
Speaker 1: Should we listen to the audio first or do you
43:36
Speaker 1: want to describe it first?
43:37
Speaker 2: I just want to tell you where this audio is
43:39
Speaker 2: coming from. So there were these two brothers who were
43:43
Speaker 2: these Italian guys. Uh, I wanted the Judica Cordiglia brothers.
43:48
Speaker 2: It's a hyphenated name, Judica Cordiglia. It's not a Judaica store.
43:52
Speaker 2: It's so we have these two bros and they have
43:56
Speaker 2: a ham radio station, kind of not a pirate radio.
43:59
Speaker 2: They were amateur radio enthusiasts, so they were kind of
44:02
Speaker 2: trying to hack radio broadcasts, government communications, anything from NORAD,
44:09
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. They were really interested in,
44:12
Speaker 2: particularly I think once Sputnik launch they became really interested
44:15
Speaker 2: in trying to get space transmissions uh huh, or transmissions
44:19
Speaker 2: from you know, base to people who were in orbit
44:21
Speaker 2: or the machinery whatever.
44:23
Speaker 1: It is.
44:24
Speaker 2: Not scientists, not any and not in any way professionally
44:27
Speaker 2: involved in aeronauts or anything like that. They were in Italy,
44:31
Speaker 2: so they could have listened to the US too, but
44:33
Speaker 2: they kind of chose Russia just because it's closer and
44:35
Speaker 2: they were more secret. So their whole driving passion was
44:38
Speaker 2: to uncover secrets separate transmissions. And they've submitted several recordings
44:44
Speaker 2: that have been used as evidence for these phantom or
44:48
Speaker 2: lost cosmonauts. And we're going to listen to one that
44:50
Speaker 2: they claim was a young lady. She was dying in space,
44:56
Speaker 2: possibly nineteen sixty one, possibly nineteen sixty three.
44:59
Speaker 1: Fun times, here we go, all right, here we are.
45:02
Speaker 2: And they say that her name was the Milla, even
45:04
Speaker 2: though there's no mention of this name on the tip.
45:10
Speaker 1: To your class.
45:23
Speaker 2: Lass. That kind of.
45:27
Speaker 1: Class look at your yeah, I think they So she
46:13
Speaker 1: is speaking Russian, right, statical computer? Have my friend ride translators?
46:31
Speaker 1: Did he generally agree with the translation, king about she's saying,
47:05
Speaker 1: I can see a flame, I see a flame, I
47:08
Speaker 1: feel hot, I feel hot thirty two, thirty two, forty one,
47:11
Speaker 1: forty one.
47:12
Speaker 2: That's the thing we were talking about. When Rad was translating,
47:14
Speaker 2: he was like, she's definitely listing Numbers's I hear her
47:18
Speaker 2: listening numbers. I don't know about the rest of us,
47:19
Speaker 2: kind of mumbled. So she's saying, am I going to crash? Yes? Yes,
47:28
Speaker 2: I feel hot, I feel hot. I will re enter
47:30
Speaker 2: I will reenter. I am listening, I feel hot, right.
47:39
Speaker 2: That is the recording. Obviously it is garbled significantly. The
47:45
Speaker 2: audio quality not fantastic. And yeah, that's the that's what
47:50
Speaker 2: they reported to say was a female cosmonaut named Lamilla
47:54
Speaker 2: who is trying to re enter the atmosphere and was
47:57
Speaker 2: burning up and dying. In nineteen sixty five, Carrera de
48:02
Speaker 2: la Serre, which is an Italian newspaper, publishes report of
48:05
Speaker 2: the brother's intercepts in including the reported death of a
48:08
Speaker 2: female cosmonaut lost on November tenth, nineteen sixty three. Fun fact,
48:12
Speaker 2: November tenth my birthday?
48:13
Speaker 1: Oh nice? Has my birthday, Laura, right.
48:16
Speaker 2: In between Krystala mockt and Veteran's Day.
48:19
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
48:20
Speaker 2: So the brothers say that the heartrending voice can be
48:23
Speaker 2: heard reporting increasing temperatures, that the capsule burns up in
48:26
Speaker 2: the atmosphere.
48:27
Speaker 1: I mean it doesmatic, It does sound like that. It's
48:31
Speaker 1: just a matter of whether it's real.
48:34
Speaker 2: True it is, of course, yeah, that is the question.
48:36
Speaker 2: So in nineteen sixty two in the issue of Fate magazine,
48:41
Speaker 2: sounds very credible.
48:42
Speaker 1: Use quote on pops to check out to get fifteen
48:44
Speaker 1: percent off your subscription.
48:46
Speaker 2: To Fate magazine. Imagine guys who are into like ladies,
48:49
Speaker 2: gloves and shoes, but also Fate magazine. I don't know why,
48:52
Speaker 2: journals and radio personality. Frank Edwards published an article entitle
48:55
Speaker 2: those lost Soviet astronauts Dude, say fucking cosmonauts, you jackle Rifle,
49:00
Speaker 2: which made headlines across the globe. Nineteen sixty five, Edward's
49:04
Speaker 2: book Strange World was published, and it had a chapter
49:08
Speaker 2: titled the First Woman in Space. And they sort of
49:12
Speaker 2: go back and say that this was, yeah, the first
49:14
Speaker 2: woman in space.
49:15
Speaker 1: Well, he claims it was a married couple.
49:17
Speaker 2: He claims his married couple. But the linking factor here
49:20
Speaker 2: is a linking fact is the name Ludmilla. That the
49:24
Speaker 2: name has just been attached to it, but it doesn't
49:25
Speaker 2: come from anywhere.
49:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no. She doesn't say the name. No in
49:30
Speaker 1: the video or in the audio. No, there's no. I'm
49:34
Speaker 1: assuming there's no record of a Russian cosmonaut with that name.
49:38
Speaker 2: Nope, because they didn't send a woman to space till
49:42
Speaker 2: sixty three, so they only started training women in sixty one,
49:47
Speaker 2: sixty one or so. Yeah, it is just garbage. Okay, here, okay,
49:53
Speaker 2: here we go. This is the history of women in
49:54
Speaker 2: space and the cosmonaut program. So the director of cosmon training,
49:58
Speaker 2: Nikolai coming in, got in the idea. He got in
50:01
Speaker 2: the mood to start training some women because he read
50:04
Speaker 2: in the US and media that after URI's flight in
50:07
Speaker 2: sixty one, they were training female pilots to be astronauts.
50:10
Speaker 2: This dude was like, oh my god, the Americans are
50:12
Speaker 2: going to start putting women into space. In his diary
50:15
Speaker 2: he wrote, we gonnot aloud that the first woman in
50:17
Speaker 2: space would be American. This would be an insult to
50:20
Speaker 2: the patriotic feelings of Soviet women. So five female cosmonauts
50:26
Speaker 2: began training sixty three, so they report that this woman
50:30
Speaker 2: was crashing.
50:30
Speaker 1: In sixty one sixty one.
50:32
Speaker 2: Then the other guys who say that the high ranking
50:35
Speaker 2: Shack communists he listed a woman's name in fifty nine,
50:39
Speaker 2: so it would be four years too early, right, kind
50:43
Speaker 2: of bizarre. It's hilarious though, that he really thought that
50:46
Speaker 2: the Americans were serious about training women because they just
50:48
Speaker 2: said a woman in space until nineteen eighty.
50:50
Speaker 1: Three, Yeah, this is America palough.
50:53
Speaker 2: Yikes. Yes, So those papers were saying that this was,
50:57
Speaker 2: you know, a real deal and Edward, that dude, Frank Edwards,
51:01
Speaker 2: who's the writer for Fate Magazine. In his book, he
51:03
Speaker 2: claims that there was a married couple that was in
51:06
Speaker 2: space that died in this instance, and their names were
51:08
Speaker 2: Ldmilla and Anatole took off and they died in each
51:12
Speaker 2: other's arms in a manufacturing capsule manufacturing malfunction.
51:17
Speaker 1: Manufacturing, I got a college like on the like on
51:20
Speaker 1: the second season of The.
51:21
Speaker 2: Wire, they got a loom Jesus kill me malfunctioning capsule.
51:28
Speaker 2: And so they say in sixty one that a couple
51:31
Speaker 2: stations claim that this they got transmissions of this madon
51:35
Speaker 2: station Bocham Oopsla Tora Burt, which is where the jah Judica,
51:40
Speaker 2: oh god, their names Judica Cordiglia brothers.
51:43
Speaker 1: Just rolls off the tongue. It really does.
51:45
Speaker 2: Easy peasy, Uh. They said that they got these uh
51:49
Speaker 2: two cosmonauts in this casp capsule. They say they got
51:53
Speaker 2: this broadcast and then initially they said the conditions were satisfactory,
51:57
Speaker 2: and then with hesitation, they say, we go to the dials.
52:01
Speaker 2: The signals are not clear. However, we see nothing. Then
52:04
Speaker 2: after a five second gap, a woman's voice breaks in.
52:07
Speaker 2: I'll make it and hold tight with my right hand.
52:10
Speaker 2: Only this way we can maintain equilibrium. Look at the people,
52:13
Speaker 2: Look at the people.
52:15
Speaker 1: I have it.
52:16
Speaker 2: Then a male voice cries out, here here is something.
52:19
Speaker 2: There is something. It's difficult. We not get out. The
52:23
Speaker 2: world will never hear about it.
52:25
Speaker 4: It is difficult.
52:27
Speaker 1: See that. I can't picture people in their dying moments
52:29
Speaker 1: being like the world will never hear it. It's like
52:32
Speaker 1: what I can picture them being like, it's hot, it's hot,
52:36
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
52:37
Speaker 2: Die, I'm barney out, I see a flame.
52:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're not gonna be like the world will
52:41
Speaker 1: never know what exactly.
52:45
Speaker 2: The main issue that people have with the recordings of
52:49
Speaker 2: the brothers Judico Cordiglia brothers and their recordings in general,
52:54
Speaker 2: the Russian spoken on them is pretty shit. Yeah, you
52:58
Speaker 2: have to you have to use the information that we
53:00
Speaker 2: have about who the cosmonauts were highly educated military people
53:05
Speaker 2: right in these transmissions.
53:07
Speaker 1: You can't be dumb to go into space like that.
53:10
Speaker 1: The two things are not conducive.
53:11
Speaker 2: You have to be extremely physically fit, extremely intelligent, and
53:14
Speaker 2: have a military background.
53:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:16
Speaker 2: Essentially, so these guys and ladies were supposed to be
53:20
Speaker 2: Soviet Air Force pilots, but on these recordings, they don't
53:23
Speaker 2: follow any standard communication protocols, including identifying themselves when speaking,
53:28
Speaker 2: and they don't use correct technical terminology.
53:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a pretty clear sign that this is
53:34
Speaker 1: a fake.
53:35
Speaker 2: Yeah. The tapes contain very poor Russian, broken grammar, gibberish phrases,
53:40
Speaker 2: and the Russian is difficult because obviously massive country, very
53:46
Speaker 2: dialects and stuff. So a lot of people have differing
53:49
Speaker 2: opinions about what those recordings actually say, right, based on
53:52
Speaker 2: you know, differences in dialects and the shitty audo equality.
53:55
Speaker 2: Fun fact, though, the Judica Cordiglias was learning Russian to
54:01
Speaker 2: help them with translation, and her level of Russian was
54:04
Speaker 2: pretty consistent with what the tapes showed.
54:06
Speaker 1: Oh imagine that just old siss over there.
54:09
Speaker 2: And then they get a woman's voice, so weird.
54:12
Speaker 1: And they're supposed to be a man in that capsule too,
54:15
Speaker 1: and you're not hearing his voice.
54:17
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've not heard the one where it's
54:18
Speaker 2: the man and the woman. I haven't heard that because
54:20
Speaker 2: I've heard the audio if I've heard of it, but
54:23
Speaker 2: not the other. Yeah, weird, weird, That is pretty much
54:26
Speaker 2: the case. So the first woman in space. I was
54:29
Speaker 2: talking about this earlier. Was this woman named Valentina, like
54:32
Speaker 2: I remember her last name right now. She went in
54:35
Speaker 2: sixty three and I got pretty pissed. This is just
54:38
Speaker 2: a side note about conspiracy theory stuff, which is I'm
54:42
Speaker 2: watching this like Ted talk video of this dude talking
54:44
Speaker 2: about these brothers, and he's talking about Valentina who was
54:48
Speaker 2: chosen to be the first woman in space, and he
54:50
Speaker 2: pretty much claimed that she was just a factory worker
54:55
Speaker 2: and that she was chosen because she expressed that she
54:58
Speaker 2: wanted to go to space because we would bring on
55:00
Speaker 2: to the Soviet Union. He doesn't mention that she was
55:03
Speaker 2: an amateur parachutist.
55:05
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that would help.
55:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Soviet cosmonauts at this time when they re
55:09
Speaker 2: entered the Earth's atmosphere, the US space program has the
55:13
Speaker 2: advantage of landing and water with all our oceans, and
55:17
Speaker 2: Soviets had to land in the Soviet Union. They had
55:19
Speaker 2: to land on land, which is very hard and dangerous,
55:22
Speaker 2: so they had to parachute out of the spacecraft between
55:25
Speaker 2: twenty and ten thousand feet ah, which you have to
55:28
Speaker 2: think about the physical exhaustion and the way that it
55:31
Speaker 2: tears at your body of going into space and then
55:34
Speaker 2: you have to fucking parachute.
55:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot, that's so much work.
55:38
Speaker 2: So the Russians were tasked with finding women who could
55:42
Speaker 2: be cosmonauts, who knew how to parachute. Yeah, and Valentina
55:48
Speaker 2: was an amateur parachutist. She had become fascinated by parachuting
55:51
Speaker 2: and skydiving and was known to do this all the time.
55:55
Speaker 2: She was a woman who in the late fifties was
55:58
Speaker 2: into parachuting. He's pretty fucking spectacular. Yeah, he's not like
56:02
Speaker 2: some fucking bolshevik kosak whatever with a woman with a
56:06
Speaker 2: you know, kerchief, Yes, like grewubbing for soup. It's just
56:09
Speaker 2: it's still so insulting the way some people talk about
56:11
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union and their accomplishments. So that's my side note,
56:14
Speaker 2: which is that such bullshit. Yeah, so annoying still goes on,
56:17
Speaker 2: even people who purport to be interested in debunky misinformation.
56:21
Speaker 1: So so what do we think about lost cosmonauts lost cosmonauts?
56:28
Speaker 1: I don't know.
56:28
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced.
56:30
Speaker 1: There's not enough evidence out there that convinces me this
56:34
Speaker 1: isn't just propaganda of some sort meant to discredit whatever
56:39
Speaker 1: Russia did do. I mean, it's possible that they sent
56:42
Speaker 1: someone up there and fucked up and they covered the
56:44
Speaker 1: story up, But I feel like that would be more
56:47
Speaker 1: a part of American history, Like we kept pretty close
56:51
Speaker 1: tabs on the Soviet Union during this time. Yes, And
56:55
Speaker 1: I feel like if their space program was littered with
56:59
Speaker 1: instances of cosmonauts going into orbit and dying, I feel
57:03
Speaker 1: like we'd know.
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Speaker 2: We do know about some deaths. Yeah, so why don't
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Speaker 2: we know about these other ones right as conclusively as
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Speaker 2: we know about the other ones?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't make it a goddamn suit.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any goddamn sense.
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Speaker 2: They'll kill them all. Great album. I am not I
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Speaker 2: am not convinced of this case, but I do think
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Speaker 2: in Cheneral, the lack of knowledge about these theories points
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Speaker 2: to UH America's in You know, Americans still to this
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Speaker 2: day have been kind of brainwashed by a lot of
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Speaker 2: the anti Soviet propaganda that we've been fed, and we
57:38
Speaker 2: have huge gaps in our knowledge of what the USSR
57:41
Speaker 2: did and what they were able to accomplish, you know,
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Speaker 2: huge highs, huge loves. Yeah, monsters obviously godless gods, monsters. Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: So that's what I took away. And it was fucking epic,
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Speaker 2: you know, It's just everything on such an epic scale.
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Speaker 2: It was so weird, it's so many overlapping stories, and
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Speaker 2: it's Russia.
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Speaker 1: So maybe there will be a podcast about it someday.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean my dreams, in my dreams,
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Speaker 2: in my dreams. So I'm gonna be my podcast tonight.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's the Lost Cosmonauts the episode. Next week
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Speaker 1: we begin an endeavor that, uh, it's gonna take a
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Speaker 1: lot of a lot out of us.
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Speaker 2: It could kill us.
58:22
Speaker 1: It could because there's a lot to sift through. We
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Speaker 1: are gonna start recapping the ancient Aliens conspiracy, which is
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Speaker 1: vast enough that there are fourteen seasons of a television
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Speaker 1: show about it.
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Speaker 2: They are so needy for content. Do you think we
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Speaker 2: could get George Sicollis or whatever to come in.
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Speaker 1: I think we probably could.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think he probably lives in sokol And.
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Speaker 1: In terms of conspiracy podcasts, like we're pretty big. Like
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Speaker 1: there's a guy who has like three thousand Twitter followers
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Speaker 1: who has a fucking serious radio show.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we send them. You know, we promise them
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Speaker 2: a smoothie, a couple joints.
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Speaker 1: He'll show up. We'll get them an unpop scarf, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: scarf he can wear. So yeah, we're gonna next next
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Speaker 1: week Patreon only. Maybe we'll put the first one out
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Speaker 1: for free. Yeah, but or snap it. We're gonna be
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Speaker 1: recapping Ancient Aliens S one e one baby.
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Speaker 2: Get to hear how many different ways people can say
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Speaker 2: the word technology.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, eology and it. One thing you can tell about
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Speaker 1: the first season of Ancient Aliens is they didn't expect
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Speaker 1: there to be a season two. Oh no, because they pack.
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Speaker 1: They pack a lot into season and into episode one,
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Speaker 1: and then all of that shit has its own episodes.
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Speaker 2: God, god, it is.
59:37
Speaker 1: It is a vast conspiracy and I can't wait to die.
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Speaker 2: It is ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag.
59:42
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah, it is out of control, all right,
59:45
Speaker 1: until then we should get out of here. What do
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Speaker 1: we have to plug? You can follow me on Instagram
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Speaker 1: at Adam Todd Brown Todd with one D and on
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Speaker 1: Twitter but Twitter and like, I have Facebook but whatever,
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Speaker 1: fucking no.
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Speaker 2: Right on, I'm kind of similar. My handle is Crawford
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Speaker 2: Comic and you can find me on there on YouTube
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Speaker 2: as well, and uh, you know, we can have a
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Speaker 2: little che cheitty chat, cheated cheeted bang bang chat chat.
1:00:11
Speaker 1: Little chit chat, little chit chat chit chat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, leave some comments, you know, rate, I'd like to
1:00:15
Speaker 2: hear what you guys think of this, since, uh, you know,
1:00:18
Speaker 2: this is Adam's gig, this is his ship, this is
1:00:21
Speaker 2: his baby, It's all of our gig.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I took it off for spin and hopefully
1:00:25
Speaker 2: we brought it back in mint condition.
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Speaker 1: I think we did.
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Speaker 2: Sweet.
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Speaker 1: I think we brought it back in mentor condition. I
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Speaker 1: feel good.
1:00:31
Speaker 2: I feel like I sprits this with some peppermint oil
1:00:33
Speaker 2: and now it is.
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Speaker 1: Divine exactly sent. All right, let's get the fuck out
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Speaker 1: of here. Laura say goodbye, goodbye, goodbye everybody. We love you.
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Speaker 1: THETTT