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Episode 157: Wrapping Up "The Acolyte": Our Opinions (and Questions) about the Final Two Episodes · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there, it's time for Most Things Kenobi.
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  Shouldn't it be all Things Kenobi?
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  Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of
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  Most Things Kenobi, a podcast about Obi Wan Kenobi and all
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  things Star Wars. I'm your host, Lauren.
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  And I'm your host, Leanne. And we're wrapping up The
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  Acolyte today. We are talking about the last
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  two episodes, 7:00 and 8:00, and we are like rearing to go.
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  I am pissed. Yeah, you sent me some a free
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  text message, text messages after you watch it and I was
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  like, I haven't watching. I'm like days behind you.
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  I just watched it right before recording.
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  And you're still processing. I am.
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  That was a lot like I had watched episode 7 before, so
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  it's very hard to record our last episode and not say.
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  Anything true? Episode 7.
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  But this I my feelings are still in an elevated state.
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  I'm I'm a little in shock, a little in shock.
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  I. Will, I would love to.
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  I would absolutely love to talk about why I'm angry.
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  I'm pissed at the Jedi. I am absolutely disheartened.
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  I'm disappointed. I am.
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  I am so mad. OK, stop.
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  Spoiler alert, if you haven't seen the finale or any episode
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  prior to the finale, don't go any further, OK?
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  That's all we're giving you because I'm about to blow.
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  How dare you, Venestra, How dare you?
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  This is the problem with the Jedi.
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  You cover up you You start with a lie, and then you cover it up
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  with another lie, and then you got to cover up that lie with
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  another lie, and on and on and on and on.
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  And how dare you make poor Master Saul your scapegoat when
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  all he tried to do was the right thing from the start.
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  Did he make mistakes? Yeah.
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  But he was willing to admit them in the start, and they started
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  with a lie. And yeah, I'll be fucking
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  damned. Fuck you, Jedi.
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  Seriously. Yeah.
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  I am so disappointed. I I just kind of trying to
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  understand it still, like is, is she a Sith?
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  Like is she a plant, Vernestra? OSHA oh Vernestra.
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  Vernestra Because do you remember?
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  There was something we had read, I cannot remember what episode
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  it was, but there was something where I had done some research
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  and there was something from Legends about how the Sith
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  planted some people in the Jedi Order and started teaching all
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  this weird stuff and got a bunch of Jedi to separate and like go
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  out. Now I'm not saying that that's
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  what's happening here but like my brain doesn't want to believe
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  that the Jedi are this corrupt so I'm trying to explain it to
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  myself by saying maybe she's like a Sith plant and all Jedi
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  aren't this bad but like they were all lying even.
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  Every single one of them. Carrie Ann Moss's character,
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  which I cannot remember her name.
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  Me neither. Even she was like.
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  It started with her lie. We'll blame it on May.
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  Yeah, yeah. To protect OSHA.
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  And it's like, OK, it all kind of comes from a good place.
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  Like they have good intentions, but isn't that the phrase the
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  road to hell is paved with good intentions or something like
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  that? Yeah.
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  I find it very disturbing and I like, but I'm really struggling
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  to accept that that's really what's happening, even though I
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  know it is. I can believe it because I think
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  that absolutely every organization I know under this,
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  the moon and stars of this planet will do whatever they can
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  to cover their own ass to make themselves look better.
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  She already had the Senate on her ass.
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  You know, and and think about it.
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  When were the Jedi absolutely touted?
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  When Palpatine was in control and he started a fucking war and
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  needed the Jedi to play into his plans.
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  Up until then, everybody was questioning them, you know,
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  including witch covens and who didn't have anything to do with
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  the Senate. And so I just think a lie
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  required another lie required another lie and who they blamed
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  May cuz she was allegedly dead and it was the perfect scapegoat
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  that didn't work out. So she blames the other dead
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  person in this case because they can't blame the other ones.
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  The only one who was left who knew May and OSHA was Saul.
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  Saul dies. We'll get to that.
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  And I just think that it was a it was a cheap cover our ass and
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  it's disgusting. I've been uncomfortable with
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  Seoul the entire time. I really like him.
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  I like the character a lot. I I think it's weird that he's
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  so certain that he's right and did the right thing without
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  really convincing anybody else that that was the case.
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  And the fact that basically the entire time he is comfortable
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  lying by omission. Oh yeah.
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  And they all are like they do say overt lies and then with May
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  or I'm sorry with OSHA, they just don't tell her the truth
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  about everything. I mean, he meant to well.
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  He said he always wanted to, but wanting to and doing it aren't
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  the same thing. Yeah, that's right.
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  That's right. Another good intention not
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  followed through on I guess. Exactly.
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  I will say it was fucking heartbreaking that as he's
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  trying to explain she like starts to choke him right as he
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  was about to say because I loved you, he got the part out and
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  then she choked him. This is well.
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  Terrible. Now, some could argue you could
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  literally argue that, well, his love for her, his attachment,
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  was his downfall. Yeah, but like when?
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  What? What are we doing?
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  Where did it come from? Also he didn't even know her
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  before he was ready. He literally saw her in the
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  forest for 30 seconds and was like, I need to rescue this
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  child. Why?
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  I don't know, I don't know. Yeah.
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  So I enjoy the story. I think it's interesting.
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  It was really good, but I'm not sure the motivation is
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  established properly in the story.
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  Like yes, Seoul clearly loved OSHA.
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  He had an attachment. Like you just create an
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  attachment out of nothing. OK, I guess I can buy that.
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  Fine if you want to say maybe the force made you imprint on a
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  person. But.
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  Yeah, because there's that whole thing about the virgins and
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  stuff. Which I said in like, what was
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  it the first episode, whatever it was.
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  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you did.
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  So I again, they referenced that, but they didn't explain
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  that apparently there's a vergence on the planet and the
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  mother created the daughters who are the same who have now
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  switched positions, if you've noticed.
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  And like again, interesting, but like, why explain it?
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  Like what is this based on? What's it founded in like?
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  Hurt and anger. She, she let all of her anger
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  and hurt and, and everything I'm feeling for the Jedi currently
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  go into killing, literally killing Saul.
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  And she did it without a weapon. She killed the Jedi without a
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  weapon, which Mae couldn't do Remember how?
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  She was instructed Is it like so far fetched that you can use the
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  force to choke people? If you could use it to block
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  people and knock each other down, which is what they were
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  doing, it's like has no one ever forced choked before?
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  I don't know. I don't know.
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  Like, I don't know, like where the Sith storyline's going.
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  Obviously we saw a Plagueis there in The Cave, which you
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  called. You inadvertently called when
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  you said have you ever heard of Dark?
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  Like I who knew? I did not.
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  I had no idea. And then I saw that was one of
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  the spoilers that I saw and I was like.
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  Oh, well, I mean, I, I was like, oh, there he is.
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  Oh, there, he's creepy. Creepy little.
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  Hand coming around, that was. Yeah, totally.
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  His face is fucked. We're just all over the place
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  on. This I know whatever.
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  Well, I know feelings, emotions. Or something.
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  Oh, she puts the helmet on right And then?
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  Yeah, what the fuck was all that with the eyes?
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  He had the eyes of the witch. No, I don't know.
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  It was. And he was like cast into the
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  alternate reality that you see Torbin put into by the mother.
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  I don't know. I couldn't tell if like this
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  whole thing was constructed by Plagius.
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  Like did he give OSHA the vision in the helmet and she just kind
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  of like bled out into the her energy just like bled out around
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  her or was like Plagius trying to keep the stranger from
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  helping her get out of the helmet like.
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  Maybe the way I interpreted it was that she her power in the
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  force is through whatever the fuck the coven was connected to,
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  how the the Mother could do that like they did to to Torbin.
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  And so I thought, OK, well, her use of the force is kind of
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  muddied because of how she was brought up in it.
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  And so she was casting out that energy because it was just her
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  in the force in, in the helmet. But it was her version of the
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  force or her use of it or her manifestation of it.
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  And it it, it got into Khamir the the stranger.
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  Is it Khamir? I don't remember, honestly, I
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  forgot to pick up his name. I guess I could look it up now.
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  And no more spoilers now. True and and I don't think he
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  knew what the fuck was going on, but he was able to like push it.
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  He he pushed it out of his head, which Torbin didn't do the first
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  time. Yeah.
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  By the way, he can handle a lightsaber like like a fucking
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  Hayden. He did the whippy thing that
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  Hayden does. Who the stranger?
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  Torbin. Or Torbin did, Yeah, honestly, I
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  thought that whole sequence. Was gold lightsaber.
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  That was very interesting, his whole like impatience and his
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  desperate need to get the fuck out of there 'cause he was just
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  had had enough, you know, it was, I thought that was really
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  interesting. I enjoyed that.
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  Yeah, he was great. He was great.
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  He was a little Anakin like with his impatience.
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  I could see it, but the way he handled that lightsaber, some of
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  these fight scenes are really. Good, this this one to the last
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  one between soul and the stranger.
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  Holy shit that was. So good, so good, so good.
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  And when the. Two lightsabers are flying
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  through the air and soul. Yeah, that was fucking awesome.
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  That was. Very Kenobiish.
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  Yeah, Kenobi vibes from that same.
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  He busted that out of nowhere. It was so good, so good.
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  It was so good. It was.
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  There was a lot of really good stuff in here.
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  Yeah. A shame it all went to waste and
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  then he turned into a fucking scapegoat.
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  I'm pissed, sorry. No, I mean, that's where.
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  I get over it. Too.
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  I think it's it's deeply tragic. I don't have a problem with it
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  as a story. I think it's more fascinating,
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  but. It's that's, that's like why I
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  texted you. I was like, it's not about like
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  how they did it. It's what happened.
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  It's not about the story. It's like what happened.
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  Like, it's a good story. It's well constructed.
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  I I ultimately, I would say I really liked it.
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  Am I deeply crushed? Yeah.
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  I would say I came away from this episode feeling pretty
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  shitty. Yeah, yes, I think that was
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  their goal 'cause I don't see, you know, correct us if we're
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  wrong, but if you did not feel a deep sense of tragedy after this
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  episode, please let us know. And please let us know why I
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  would be curious. Not saying you're wrong, I'm
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  just curious 'cause I think I'll go through the seven stages of
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  like dealing with this. Grief and separation.
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  Yeah, and like bargaining, please let Vernestra be a
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  planted like you said, like these are all the feelings.
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  Yeah, I'm, I'm. Also I have questions about why
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  the mother when all of this was going down.
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  This is in episode 7 the the redo of what happened the night
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  at on Brendock. From the Jedi perspective.
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  Yes. Why did she turn into that thin,
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  black ghostly stuff? What was she about to do that
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  Saul felt so necessary to like? Stab?
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  I think she was going to wrap around the child.
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  I think it was May, right? Who was there and like, yeah,
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  take her into the force or like something to like disappear so
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  that Saul couldn't take her. 'Cause the other one did this,
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  she also went into like mm hmm, She went into the Wookie's body.
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  Right. So they can like disembody
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  themselves basically. But did they know?
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  Did the Jedi know this about them?
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  Because I didn't know that that's what they were gonna do.
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  He didn't know that they were capable of that until he saw the
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  the one who bared the children. I don't know her name with the
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  horns. I'm terrible.
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  I don't know. Anything the gorgeous mother he
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  was there angry one with. Yeah, the angry one.
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  He was there when she went into the Wookiee and like, started to
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  control him. And then he had seen also that
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  the the Mother had taken over Torbin's mind in front of all of
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  them the night before. OK, so maybe he didn't know.
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  Like maybe that was it to. What extent they would do that.
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  But perhaps he was worried that like, they would go into the
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  child and control the child and he didn't want to be forced to
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  hurt the child. I don't know.
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  I don't know why you would stab first.
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  That seemed unnatural to me and not I wouldn't I?
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  Because my reaction was why did you stab her?
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  You didn't know she what she was gonna do.
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  To kill her, Like, could we not just wound a person?
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  Like, yeah, yeah, I, I do feel there's a few moments where soul
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  goes right to an extreme reaction and there's been
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  multiple moments where I'm like, that's not a very Jedi way to
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  behave. However, our idea of the Jedi
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  might be wrong considering all of this stuff that we've kind
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  of, and I know we're not the only ones who feel this way.
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  I've seen this in multiple places that people don't like
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  the Acolyte because of how it's destroyed and shit on their idea
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  of what the Jedi order. Is OK I will say.
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  I will say I feel the same. However, I'm OK with something
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  challenging a prior belief because it's realistic.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's just fucking plain
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  realistic. We're gonna have to judge on
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  case by case basis, not as an organization.
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  And that's what we should be doing anyway with large
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  organizations, large assemblies of similar tastes, beliefs,
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  etcetera. It's not the whole it's
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  individuals, right? Like case by case like Obi Wan
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  good, Anakin not good, Luke great.
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  You know, like. Yeah, yeah.
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  Was Yoda good? Well, we saw Yoda gets told
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  something from Vernestra. Right, he's the last scene in
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  the whole. So my question is, how much has
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  Yoda known and how much has Yoda ignored?
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  Well, and there's the the story from Clone Wars where Dave
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  Filoni said maybe Yoda learned wars make not one great during
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  the clone wars. So I'm, I'm not super quick to
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  like write this off altogether because if Yoda is gonna exist
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  all all the way through all of Star Wars that we know to date,
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  right? So maybe these terrible mistakes
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  that have been made are the reasons the Jedi are the way
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  they are in the prequels. Maybe he's helped the
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  organization learn from their mistakes and stop cover ups,
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  Although they do try to cover. Up.
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  In in Revenge of the Sith, even Yoda says like, we can't let
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  this get out. It would be terrible if people
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  found out, you know? So God forbid our our image be
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  tarnished, we better tell a lie. Yeah, so.
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  This is this is very realistic. I'm willing to accept something
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  that's realistic, even if the challenge is something I deeply
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  want to believe is true, which is that the Jedi were flawless
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  individuals, which they weren't. Some of them were heroes, some
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  of them were heroes and will always remain our heroes.
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  Absolutely. I mean, heroes make mistakes.
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  Obi Wan made mistakes. Yeah.
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  And Luke made mistakes too, but they they cost him himself
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  personally quite a lot, but not as much to people around him.
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  I suppose maybe Han might argue differently, being caught on
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  carbonite for a long. Time we're not arguing.
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  We're not arguing with Han right now.
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  I I do want to read something that resonated with me so deeply
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  that I watched it three times and I told you I would like it
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  on AT shirt or at least at least on a sticker so I could see it
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  all the time. And I think this is the core of
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  that episode and what the acolyte is attempting to do with
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  the Jedi. And it's through Senator
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  Rancourt's words, you know, the senator that was talking to
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  Vernesta privately. Yes.
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  And the conversation goes like this.
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  I'm going to read the whole thing because it's so fucking
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  good. And it, and it literally ends
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  with the sentiment that I think a lot of people are not willing
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  to face. Senator Rancourt says.
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  You don't like me? You think my campaign for an
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  external review of the Jedi is a personal vendetta?
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  Vernestra says, If you want my honest opinion, yes, Senator
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  says good, here's mine. I think the Jedi are a massive
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  system of unchecked power posing as a religion, a delusional cult
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  that claims to control the uncontrollable, Vernestra
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  replies. We don't control the Force.
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  Senator says not the force, your emotions.
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  Now that's point number one. That was like yes, yes, not the
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  force your emotions. OK, Senator then says you
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  project an an image of goodness and restraint, but it's only a
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  matter of time before one of you snaps and not when and when not.
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  If that happens, who will be strong enough to stop him?
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  Is this the prophecy? The prophecy's being made right
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  now. Let me repeat it.
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  It's only a matter of time before one of you snaps.
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  And when not if that happens, who will be strong enough to
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  stop him? Well, I will tell you Luke
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  Skywalker. Now wouldn't it be nice though?
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  I wouldn't expect this from Disney, that they're setting up
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  a story where Luke stays the hero and isn't just some cranky
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  old man in an island. Well, he's the hero.
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  He is, whether Disney likes it or not, which I know they've
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  been trying to be like. There's more to Star Wars than
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  Skywalkers, but. Well, I'm sorry, but everything
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  going on in the Acolyte goes right back to the Skywalkers.
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  Sorry. Yeah, it's all like a a
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  precursor to Anakin, basically. And it ends with this line,
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  Senator tells Vernestra. The majority of my colleagues
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  can't imagine a Galaxy without the Jedi, and I can understand
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  why. When you're looking up to
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  heroes, you don't have to face what's right in front of you.
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  That's us. That's why it's hard for us to
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  sit here when we look up to these people who are our heroes.
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  I'm not talking about Lukens specifically.
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  I'm talking about the Jedi as an organization.
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  When we look up to them, it's hard for us to see the mistakes
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  that they are actively making and have made throughout
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  millennia. They're not the only ones.
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  The Sith are not the only ones who made mistakes.
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  Their mistakes are vastly different.
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  OK, but lies are not OK, especially when you're throwing
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  your own under the bus. Yeah.
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  What Saul did not deserve that he got your pyre, Viking.
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  Slight, slight. Did send off though, I
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  appreciated that and like what's Oh well, I was gonna say what's
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  the difference between her just telling the truth, but I guess
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  that would reveal what may and OSHA and the the dark side of
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  things, like, I mean white. Revealed that they went about
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  all of this without consulting. They all made decisions on their
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  own there. You know, all of this little
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  action here and there was taken the original lie, which is by
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  that woman the the female actor you've mentioned, what's her
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  name? Oh, Cariane Moss.
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  Yeah, should have. Never.
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  She should have let Seoul talk to the Jedi, 'cause he said.
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  I will go and stand before trial.
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  I will go and talk to them. And she's like, no, we're going
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  to tell them it's May. And they'd have been fine if May
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  never came back to life. Yeah, they.
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  'D still be living their lie and and scooting under the radar, et
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  cetera. Did they hide the fact that OSHA
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  was a virgins though? Is like that the main reason why
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  they lied? Because they were afraid of what
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  they would do when they found out OSHA was a virgins.
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  And I will I will say I've I've really liked episode 7 a lot.
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  I think it was really cool to see the same story from the
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  other side and I really appreciated seeing that.
• 23:51
  Carrie Anne Moss's character was honestly not as bad as I thought
• 23:54
  she was. No, it even made.
• 23:57
  She tried. She.
• 23:58
  Tried. She tried to reason with him and
• 24:00
  explain like your emotions are getting the better of you.
• 24:04
  You're not thinking this through, you're reacting instead
• 24:07
  of thinking through this. And she was trying to like allow
• 24:12
  the girls to cheat and move on and was much more reasonable
• 24:17
  than I than they made her look. And the thing I like about that
• 24:21
  is that's how life really is. You know, when you're looking at
• 24:26
  it from the, the witch's perspective, these Jedi show up
• 24:29
  and they just start talking to you like they fucking own the
• 24:31
  place. You don't know the private
• 24:33
  conversations that they've been having where there's internal
• 24:36
  conflict in their group. And now we get to see it from
• 24:40
  the other perspective. Either way, I I really enjoyed
• 24:43
  Episode 7 and. Yeah, they didn't kill them the
• 24:48
  way that we thought, that we were fearing that it was a whole
• 24:51
  out bloody murder. It was more of like a a
• 24:54
  circumstantial clusterfuck, just one thing after another going
• 24:59
  wrong. And I think that's kind of a
• 25:01
  cool story. You know, there's like, here are
• 25:04
  four Jedi out on a mission in the forest collecting data and
• 25:08
  all of a sudden they stumble upon something and get neck deep
• 25:11
  into a shit show that now they've done all these mistakes
• 25:16
  and it's like it's a cover up. Yeah.
• 25:20
  And I think that's a cool idea. We don't really see that kind of
• 25:23
  stuff in Star Wars very often. I, I think maybe they're these
• 25:27
  four Jedi, like you said, their initial mistake was assuming
• 25:32
  that witches are bad, that they had any ill intent for these
• 25:35
  girls. When the mother said as she was
• 25:37
  dying, I was going to let OSHA go.
• 25:39
  I was going to let her go. Yeah, they.
• 25:41
  Didn't even give her a chance. Yeah, they just like jumped the
• 25:45
  gun on everything over and over. Witches are bad, they're going
• 25:48
  to hurt the girls. The witches are bad, they're
• 25:50
  going to hurt the girls. Well, hello.
• 25:52
  Maybe not. Well, still a mother.
• 25:55
  That the witches didn't trust the Jedi.
• 25:57
  Also they had their own bias against the Jedi, probably
• 25:59
  because they had a reputation, but still.
• 26:02
  Like if they had had the opportunity to sit down and
• 26:04
  speak civilly with each other as with everything, it's Star Wars.
• 26:08
  Like if there was just like a fucking conversation, this
• 26:11
  bloodbath would not have been necessary that.
• 26:16
  Is so true. Oh my God I'm so tired.
• 26:26
  I just OK. I feel for the witches.
• 26:29
  I do because they were, they shouldn't have gone in there
• 26:33
  like they did ask one of them to come down.
• 26:36
  You just don't invite yourself in like.
• 26:40
  Yeah, it's inappropriate and it's not diplomatic at all.
• 26:45
  Why can't you send a summons? They had that Little Beaver
• 26:49
  badger Gopher thing. Well, that was that was when
• 26:52
  they went back. Yeah, his present day, that
• 26:54
  character was so strange. I really love him, I do love
• 26:58
  him, but like he was the only one that made any good decisions
• 27:02
  out of the whole group. Yeah, like so He he.
• 27:05
  He cut the wires. The idea was that he was gonna
• 27:08
  kill May, right? Seoul was going to kill May and
• 27:11
  the Little Beaver guy stopped him from doing that, am I right?
• 27:14
  Yeah, that's what I took it as. Also that's those shots were
• 27:18
  really beautiful flying through that, like gritty.
• 27:20
  Yes. Like rock the like the ring.
• 27:25
  Yeah. But it was that was really
• 27:28
  pretty. That was really nicely done
• 27:30
  this. Whole show has been gorgeous, so
• 27:34
  well filmed and structured and the costumes, everything.
• 27:38
  I love it all. I love that like slowly May's
• 27:42
  costume became whiter and whiter and Osha's became darker and
• 27:46
  darker until they've completely flipped positions.
• 27:49
  I really love how we saw a bled crystal.
• 27:52
  Yeah, that was, I was like, they're making a statement by
• 27:56
  putting that in there. They're making it.
• 27:57
  That is the official way it's done.
• 28:00
  That was cool. That was very, very, very cool
• 28:04
  to see. I really loved all that.
• 28:06
  And I also loved the fact that Kamir's face was like, the fuck,
• 28:09
  I chose the wrong sister. But at the same time, OSHA is
• 28:15
  killing Saul. May is, like, smiling.
• 28:18
  She's like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:21
  I got you girl. Do it.
• 28:23
  It's fucked up. I thought at some point they
• 28:27
  were going to merge in actually become one person.
• 28:30
  Well the did you notice they were fighting was absolutely
• 28:34
  mirrored. Now credit to everybody because
• 28:36
  to this day I don't know how they film one person doing two
• 28:39
  things. Like what?
• 28:42
  I mean? Credits to the actress for doing
• 28:45
  2 roles, doing it believably, and doing it well enough that we
• 28:50
  discerned 2 completely different humans.
• 28:54
  Yeah, she did a great job. Fantastic job.
• 28:57
  But like they really are a mirror.
• 29:00
  So it is different than than Anakin.
• 29:03
  It it's different than Anakin. I think Plagueis is playing
• 29:06
  around with what? There's something going on
• 29:10
  there. He's playing around with it.
• 29:12
  It's the beginnings of what we know goes on.
• 29:16
  Yes. But we know that OSHA or May or
• 29:20
  whatever ends up happening has to kill Khmer because then it
• 29:24
  eventually trickles down like The Apprentice has to kill the
• 29:28
  master. And we know that only Palpatine
• 29:31
  kills Plagueis. So like, everyone's going to
• 29:33
  kill each other, which is great. It's on point, but.
• 29:37
  So Palpatine is Place's apprentice, right?
• 29:41
  But it's he's the last one. How old is Plagueis?
• 29:45
  Oh, he's super fucking old, which makes me think that's why
• 29:48
  come here. OK, so we know.
• 29:50
  We know now that my theory that Vernestra was his his master is.
• 29:55
  Oh yeah. Very true.
• 29:57
  You are 100% she. She absolutely is.
• 30:00
  Yes, well done. So either she's extremely
• 30:04
  fucking old and cause Kamir said he's very old.
• 30:10
  That he himself is, or that his master is.
• 30:13
  No, he said. He's very old.
• 30:15
  I thought that's what he said. Oh, I don't know.
• 30:18
  I don't know. I need to go back and I've only
• 30:20
  watched them one time each so I'd need to go back with a fine
• 30:22
  tooth comb but. I'm just wondering if there's
• 30:25
  some influence there and like the fuck's he doing creeping
• 30:30
  around a cave for? Well, and so he's Kamir's
• 30:33
  master, right? But Kamir hasn't told that it's
• 30:35
  gotta be. Yeah, right.
• 30:37
  Like that's, that's what's going on.
• 30:39
  Or is he just there fucking with people?
• 30:41
  I don't know. I don't know either, it's just.
• 30:44
  Creeping and lurking. And he may have a cave on the
• 30:47
  other side of the island. Let's.
• 30:49
  Go back to his own cave. He's got his own hot tub.
• 30:56
  Do you see him in there with a cocktail?
• 30:58
  Like, I'm just going to fuck around with this kid.
• 31:00
  Tell tell him to go get an acolyte and see what happens.
• 31:03
  Living his best life, Oh my God. He needs a facial while we're at
• 31:08
  it though. Oh my God, if it's spa day with
• 31:11
  Plagueis, we need a we need a facial involved because that
• 31:16
  face, oh Lord. Anyway.
• 31:18
  So when Vernestra was like interrupted, she was like on the
• 31:22
  phone kind of. And then her assistant came in.
• 31:26
  Was she trying to get in touch with Yoda or was she trying to
• 31:29
  like? I was almost wondering if it was
• 31:32
  like Plagueis that she was trying to reach or.
• 31:36
  You know what I'm I'll go with your theory.
• 31:40
  I'll also stop stuttering but I will go with your theory that
• 31:43
  maybe she's the like a planted but like at the same time I
• 31:49
  don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
• 31:54
  I like I couldn't believe it because she's very cold so she
• 32:00
  could go either way and if she was know she.
• 32:03
  Used that whip on Kamir. Yeah, know, she's clearly openly
• 32:07
  cruel to him. She's either gonna turn out to
• 32:10
  be, she's gonna be like Sever's Snape right where she is
• 32:14
  actually like so good that you're like, oh God, it's
• 32:17
  heartbreaking. Or she's some sort of Sith plant
• 32:21
  and she or she's just a really shitty Jedi.
• 32:23
  I don't know. I don't, I don't know.
• 32:28
  I don't know but they we need a season 2.
• 32:31
  I'm really disappointed that they didn't address it like her
• 32:36
  and Queer, but I'm also kind of glad 'cause now that means they
• 32:39
  can take more time to address it in season 2 and I really hope
• 32:43
  that they do. I'm.
• 32:45
  I'm really torn though about OSHA and May reuniting and then
• 32:52
  wiping May's memory and letting her get caught by the Jedi.
• 32:57
  But you don't know if he did it fully enough.
• 33:00
  We don't know what he did there. We don't know if it was a true
• 33:04
  Men in Black moment like Boom Flash.
• 33:07
  She's going to forget everything because that seems ridiculous
• 33:12
  and he might be duplicitous. Right and maybe it's a veil
• 33:16
  where it's not gone it's just covered you never know.
• 33:18
  But either way it like why did any of them have to get caught
• 33:23
  Like they could have all just run away and I don't I don't get
• 33:27
  why it just cuz May or I'm sorry cuz OSHA killed somebody with
• 33:30
  her mind that makes may untrainable.
• 33:36
  I don't know just cause the the rule is there's only two.
• 33:40
  Well there's already all three of you 'cause Plagueis is there
• 33:43
  Plagueis, Plagueis, whatever. So why not four?
• 33:46
  What's the big fucking difference like?
• 33:50
  The more the marry, yeah. Exactly.
• 33:52
  Start your own Sith Empire. Then then you turn into the
• 33:56
  Jedi. Nobody wants that.
• 34:02
  I don't know, I don't know like the weakest plot point where I'm
• 34:05
  not convinced that that's necessary, but I'm waiting to
• 34:08
  see if next season it will, it will actually like make more
• 34:14
  sense and be like a stronger plot point.
• 34:15
  But yeah, there's, I felt like a mix in this one.
• 34:19
  I really liked it. I liked everything that happened
• 34:21
  in the last two episodes. I thought it was really fucking
• 34:23
  cool. I'm not convinced all of it is a
• 34:25
  super tight plot, but I don't care 'cause I was entertained
• 34:28
  enough so. True.
• 34:31
  So as a whole season one, what would you rate it?
• 34:36
  How? How did you like it?
• 34:38
  Like out of one out of 1010 being great, Like excellent
• 34:41
  superior. I'd give it a solid 7 seven out
• 34:44
  of 10. Yeah.
• 34:47
  And that's based on enjoyment. Easy to follow, entertaining,
• 34:53
  good storyline. Not what I feel about things.
• 34:56
  My emotions are mine, you know, But I was definitely, I looked
• 35:04
  forward to every episode, which is a good sign.
• 35:07
  Yeah, I would probably give it an 8 out of 10.
• 35:10
  Yeah, 'cause I, I definitely, I really enjoyed it.
• 35:13
  Like you, I really looked forward to the episodes.
• 35:15
  I was excited to watch it. It was not a chore and I was
• 35:19
  entertained and like engaged the entire time.
• 35:21
  There wasn't really an episode where I felt bored or like this
• 35:24
  was taking too long. So.
• 35:28
  Yeah, no, I'm, I'm definitely it's definitely high.
• 35:31
  It's it's AB for me. ABA, solid BB plus.
• 35:35
  Considering I, I thought it was gonna be pretty stupid and
• 35:39
  didn't really care. I I liked it way more than most
• 35:42
  of the stuff that's been coming out lately.
• 35:44
  So yeah, I'm I'm excited for season 2.
• 35:47
  That'll be fun to see. I'm I'm interested to see where
• 35:51
  it goes. So I think we're in the same
• 35:53
  boat. We're space twinning.
• 35:54
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• 36:03
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• 36:06
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• 36:08
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• 36:11
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• 36:13
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• 36:25
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• 36:29
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• 36:32
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• 36:39
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• 36:41
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• 36:45
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• 36:48
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• 36:53
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• 36:59
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• 37:02
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• 37:07
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