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Top Defensive Tackle draft targets for the Buffalo Bills | DC · Disguised Coverage

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Speaker 1: A N T. In this episode of disguised coverage, we
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Speaker 1: continue on our way in terms of detailing the largest
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Speaker 1: and or biggest no pun intended with the theme of
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Speaker 1: this episode positions and or areas of need for the
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bill's roster heading into the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago we did the edge position,
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Speaker 1: last week we did the corner position, and on tonight's
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Speaker 1: episode we will be diving into defensive tackle and you know,
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Speaker 1: or into your defensive line, depending on which verbidge you prefer.
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Speaker 1: And this is a spot that has been addressed by
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Speaker 1: the Bill seemingly year after years, similar to kind of
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Speaker 1: the edge conversation, where you've got some free agency guys,
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Speaker 1: you've got some draft guys in terms of resources that
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Speaker 1: have been allocated the past several years, or at the
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Speaker 1: very least you under the McDermott and Bean era and tenure,
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Speaker 1: and it just seems like they continue to plod along
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Speaker 1: a little bit trying to address this position group and
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Speaker 1: this draft class a very deep one for defensive tackle.
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Speaker 1: Some intriguing names throughout Day one, Day two, even Day three.
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Speaker 1: There's there's some really fun skill sets. There's a lot
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Speaker 1: of usefulness in this position group, and I'm very excited
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Speaker 1: to dive into it in this episode of This Guy's
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Speaker 1: coverage and diving into this position group with me is
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Speaker 1: mister Daniel Harms of RGR Football and the Draft Network,
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Speaker 1: someone who continues our trend the past several weeks of
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Speaker 1: guys who really know ball structurally, schematically, guys who know
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Speaker 1: what good evaluation looks like, who really scout players, write
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Speaker 1: things up and do the true process for evaluation. Daniel,
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Speaker 2: What'kme the show? Well, first of all, thank you for that.
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Speaker 2: I love the intro, not just for me, but the
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Speaker 2: entire intro of the show. And I always have time
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Speaker 2: to come on with you because it's always one of
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Speaker 2: the most fun things that we get to do. Getting
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Speaker 2: through to this point in the season is always the
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Speaker 2: hard part, and then when we just get to sit
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Speaker 2: down and talk, that's that's where the fun is. Like,
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Speaker 2: that's where I have some of the most fun and
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Speaker 2: getting to have some high level conversations about football is
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Speaker 2: one of my favorite things. To do and I love them.
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Speaker 2: I'm just happy to be here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you're happy to be here, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is the it's nice when you kind of get
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Speaker 1: to do this home stretch period of the draft where
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Speaker 1: it's you can someone can ask you something. You're like, oh, yeah, cool,
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Speaker 1: let me just pull up like my notes and pull
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Speaker 1: up this. And it's not like I mean, I can't
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Speaker 1: tell you, and you, well, you dabble in it better
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Speaker 1: than I do. But I'm so bills focused that the
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Speaker 1: farther they go in the playoffs, the more behind I
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Speaker 1: am on my draft prep and so them like going
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Speaker 1: to the AC Championship, I was like sweet, And the
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Speaker 1: whole time, in the back of my mind, I was like, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so far behind. I've just felt that
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Speaker 1: way so much. Like I would get people on the
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Speaker 1: show or get people on Twitter being like, oh, what
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Speaker 1: do you think about this?
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Speaker 2: Guy?
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Speaker 1: What do you think about this? I'm like, I haven't
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Speaker 1: gotten to that position yet, or like I'm at that position,
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Speaker 1: but like I'm not at that tier yet. And I
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Speaker 1: just never felt like I could catch my breath and
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Speaker 1: now I've grind in so much and yeah, I just
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Speaker 1: feel like I can finally start to breathe a little bit,
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Speaker 1: and then once the draft happens, I feel like that's
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Speaker 1: the real like sit back and just and yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 1: especially for you, like all the draft work that you
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Speaker 1: put out and you do like it's probably a thousand
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Speaker 1: times what I feel, dude.
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Speaker 2: I honestly, I've watched more players this year than I
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Speaker 2: ever have in my entire life. And it's tough because
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Speaker 2: you because last before last year, I wasn't covering the
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Speaker 2: draft until after the season. So as you know, like
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Speaker 2: you know, as a guy who covers the Chiefs, we're waiting.
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Speaker 2: We're waiting till you anywhere February. It's just like, okay,
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Speaker 2: once it starts and then that's it. And so now
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Speaker 2: from the time I joined the Draft Network in July
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Speaker 2: June of last year, I've been watching guys every single week.
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Speaker 2: So you have that, and then you're in the playoffs
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Speaker 2: and you're like, well, I have to figure out what
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs are gonna maybe do here, but I have
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Speaker 2: to watch prospects here. So you're like, your time is
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Speaker 2: just watching football. It's just constant here and constant there.
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Speaker 2: So I will say that I have to refine my
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Speaker 2: note taking process. That is something I have realized over
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Speaker 2: this process last year. It needs to be better and
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Speaker 2: I need to get there.
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Speaker 1: That's fair. I started using like the regular season for
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Speaker 1: just a really good way to outline everything for me
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Speaker 1: for college football, Like broadcast is obviously a lie, and
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Speaker 1: I'm not watching college football twenty two in season, but
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Speaker 1: I watched a ton of college football in season, and
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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to make trying to kind of put
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Speaker 1: tears together at least of just from a self organization standpoint.
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Speaker 1: So that way, once I start up the All twenty
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Speaker 1: two and to know the direction I'm going, where the shear,
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Speaker 1: where the ship is kind of being steered. Because of
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Speaker 1: what I also do is I I don't want to
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Speaker 1: be influenced by anyone else's work. Yeah, well, I kind
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Speaker 1: of keep my head in the sand until I'm like
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Speaker 1: done with a lot of my work. Like I don't don't,
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Speaker 1: I don't. Oh, soll be like, oh you saw what
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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremi did, I'm like, Nope, nope, knowledge anyone's I
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Speaker 1: don't want to see it. Same thing with like in
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Speaker 1: season film for like the Bills or anything, like I
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Speaker 1: avoid everything all day Monday until I get homework and
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Speaker 1: I can watch the tape. I don't want to be influenced.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to know what's a good play or
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Speaker 1: what somebody thinks about something. So it's just yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: like I really this year was helpful regular season wise
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Speaker 1: to kind of set myself up for success once it
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Speaker 1: came to this offseas. But yeah, it is a grind,
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Speaker 1: but it's a fun one. And speaking of fun, this
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle grouping that we have here in this twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five draft class high level for you when you
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Speaker 1: look at the defensive tackle grouping or into your defensive line.
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Speaker 1: I know different people call it different things. What first
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Speaker 1: comes your mind high level when you're thinking about this
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Speaker 1: group and you know what it can do or what
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Speaker 1: it can kind of accomplish in terms of usefulness for
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Speaker 1: teams coming out.
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Speaker 2: Of this draft, if you need a defensive tackle, you're
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Speaker 2: going to be doubling up, probably like you've got fan
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Speaker 2: for example, covering the Chiefs. They have Chris Jones and
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Speaker 2: then a bunch of one year guys. They need to
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Speaker 2: probably double up a defensive tackle. This is a great
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Speaker 2: time to do it, not only because of the high
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Speaker 2: level players like that are going to go in the
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Speaker 2: first round. But because of the scheme specific, the run
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Speaker 2: defense specific, the pass rush specialist, there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: different body types that will fit what you're looking for,
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Speaker 2: guys that can play outside and inside. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of variety in this class. So whether it's a couple
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Speaker 2: of guys maybe three or four that I think could
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Speaker 2: be total all around players at the next level, or
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Speaker 2: guys that are gonna be high level run defenders on
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Speaker 2: day two that have maybe a little bit of pass
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Speaker 2: rush juice, just a little bit, not something crazy, but
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Speaker 2: guys that will fundamentally change the way that you can
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Speaker 2: start scouting. You're the rest of your defense, right, you
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Speaker 2: can fill in here, you can fill in there, and
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Speaker 2: if you're running like a NASCAR group, you can have
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Speaker 2: one of these guys on day two come in and
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Speaker 2: be like, all right, you're gonna be our first second
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Speaker 2: hand guy, and then we rotate nascarr and so there's
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Speaker 2: so many different things, different ways you can fill your
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Speaker 2: defensive tackle needs and also a lot of different body
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Speaker 2: types that can help. Like I said, maybe kick outside
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Speaker 2: it rush from a different perspective, rush from a five
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Speaker 2: and what I've noticed with watching a lot of these
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Speaker 2: guys is that they don't just play one or three.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of two's, a lot of high, a
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Speaker 2: lot a lot of five at times, so you have
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Speaker 2: different body types. They can do a lot of different things.
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Speaker 1: That two comment is so I'm so used to, like,
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Speaker 1: especially just watching the Bills so much, and I'm just like, okay,
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Speaker 1: like a four down over front, you got your one tech,
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Speaker 1: you got your three tech boom, and they're so like
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Speaker 1: watching college football even I guess other NFL teams, but
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Speaker 1: college football even more so, there's so many they're just
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Speaker 1: like two's or a two I, and it's not just
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Speaker 1: these like static looks and then you get into oh,
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Speaker 1: very nice appearance. We should just have her do the show.
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Speaker 1: She'd probably get way more than either.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's how it works when I'm when I'm
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Speaker 2: on our gr Yeah, she just pops up and everyone's
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Speaker 2: like hi, Avery.
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Speaker 1: They just watch the views go out and they're like, man,
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Speaker 1: she's so much. Then like she goes and they're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: so it's just you now, and you're like, aah right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I just keep talking. I guess uh yeah, it's it's
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of different usage in college, and then
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Speaker 1: you get to like all the different fronts and how
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Speaker 1: many teams run even like someone like a you know
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Speaker 1: from an edge conversation piece like Mikel Williams, and then
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Speaker 1: you think like, oh, yeah, but how much is he
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Speaker 1: run into is like a four I all the time?
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Speaker 1: And that Georgia front and it's like what kind of
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Speaker 1: projective outside a little bit and then what everybody in
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Speaker 1: the big twelve does with their tight front stuff and
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Speaker 1: all the different alignments, and some teams just really run
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Speaker 1: a true nose, but then you're time to take that
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Speaker 1: true nose and project them to more of like a
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Speaker 1: one tech. But then some teams run a true nose
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Speaker 1: but a little smaller guy and you're like, well, he's
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Speaker 1: more of a three even though he played more like
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Speaker 1: a nose at this And it's just it's such a
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Speaker 1: fun conversation and in football in general when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the evaluation piece, but yeah, this defensive tackle grouping,
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Speaker 1: they think he nailed it. Like the usefulness, the versatility,
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Speaker 1: And what I think is interesting with all of that
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Speaker 1: is it's gonna change or manipulate a lot of teams
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Speaker 1: draft boards based on the specificity of the structure that
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Speaker 1: you are using. So fans who might think, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: like player A is so much better than player B, Well,
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Speaker 1: if player A is a three tech and your team
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Speaker 1: doesn't need a three tech, player B is gonna be
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Speaker 1: ahead of that guy for and so play they're gonna switch.
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Speaker 1: Player B is player A for your team. And you
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Speaker 1: might sit there being like, I can't believe they passed
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Speaker 1: on this guy, and it's like, well, they he doesn't
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Speaker 1: fit the structure what they need. They don't need that,
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Speaker 1: they need this, And that's I think that's a large
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Speaker 1: element that gets lost a lot in this conversation is
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Speaker 1: the schematic component and the structure and the x's and
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Speaker 1: o's and how these body types and how these skill
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Speaker 1: sets have to fit more of a role for an
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Speaker 1: NFL team, especially with how the run game has come
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Speaker 1: back into the league. It's not just like, well, we
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Speaker 1: need a bunch of gap shooters and guys who can
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Speaker 1: rush from the inside. Like now you kind of need
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Speaker 1: some bigger bodies to mash a little bit and hold
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Speaker 1: up against the run.
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Speaker 2: That's what I love about this class is that we've
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Speaker 2: seen the resurgence of the run game. Duo ways start
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Speaker 2: to come back in. And so you've got guys in
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Speaker 2: this class that are like, you want to run duo, fine,
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Speaker 2: well just eat blocks. We will eat. You have some
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Speaker 2: legitimate block eaters in this class that will help keep
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Speaker 2: your second level clean. So, I mean, we went from
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Speaker 2: this defensive versatility and kind of almost where we saw
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Speaker 2: the Ameva fronts. Right, anybody can play anywhere that is
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Speaker 2: right now not going to work. It's non existent. Maybe
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Speaker 2: unless you're Brian Flores in Minnesota and you're just like,
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Speaker 2: I don't care, I'm gonna do it anyway. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: find a way to make it work. Most defenses will
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Speaker 2: not be able to survive that way, especially in the
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Speaker 2: NFC West where you're just gonna see those type of schemes.
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Speaker 2: And we've even seen teams that want to run outside
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Speaker 2: zone say look, look, look we want to run outside zone.
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Speaker 2: We just can't. Defenses are too fast, they get to
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Speaker 2: the edge too quickly. We have to find ways to
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Speaker 2: succeed between the tackles. So now you get double teams
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Speaker 2: and you have this class that's just even the guys
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Speaker 2: that at the top. I know everyone's gonna talk about Mason,
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Speaker 2: you know, Mason Graham being a guy who can't succeed
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Speaker 2: because of his small arms, he can still eat blocks
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Speaker 2: for a guy who's his size, and he's willing and
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Speaker 2: experienced to do so. So I just love all the
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Speaker 2: different talents that sizes and the versatility that they offer,
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Speaker 2: because you can plug someone in at one tech on
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Speaker 2: first second down and say, hey, look, I know you
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Speaker 2: can eat blocks, but we want to bring in one
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Speaker 2: of our defensive ends or middle linebacker over the a gap.
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Speaker 2: Let's kick you out the three or five and we'll
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Speaker 2: see what we can get there. It's just there's gonna
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Speaker 2: be so many things that happen, and a lot of
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Speaker 2: really good contributors and then starter level players that maybe
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Speaker 2: turn into more than that in this in this class.
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Speaker 1: Yes, very well said, And I love your comment about
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Speaker 1: duo and just how more of the run has taken
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Speaker 1: kind of a I hate to use this because it's
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Speaker 1: so cliche, but more of a smash mouth approach in
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Speaker 1: the NFL, more of a downhill aspect. You're getting more.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the Bills are a great example, right, like, yes,
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Speaker 1: what they do with duo, their main zone run is
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Speaker 1: mid zone, which is still trying to hit like inside
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Speaker 1: and then all the tackle pull stuff, so the gaps
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Speaker 1: cheme element present, like they are working in between the tackles,
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Speaker 1: you know. And I feel like teams see what James
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Speaker 1: Cook did and it's like yeah, but all these outside runs,
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Speaker 1: it's like, no, he just bounces duo, yes, because the
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Speaker 1: unblocked guy is that outside corner and he's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I can beat this guy because I'm faster than he is,
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Speaker 1: and boom he bounces it. But so much of that
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Speaker 1: run game is downhill, it's at you. And I think
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Speaker 1: that ties into really well with what the Bills are
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Speaker 1: right now, because they are a you know, as I
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Speaker 1: said on the show all the time, and you know
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Speaker 1: this like they like light boxes. They run a ton
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Speaker 1: of nickel. Tarren Johnson is on the field a ton.
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Speaker 1: He gets pulled into the box by design. They get
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Speaker 1: pushed around on the interior, and so it's like, okay,
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Speaker 1: is they were at the forefront of this defensive movement
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Speaker 1: where it was like okay, poyer and high interchangeable safeties
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Speaker 1: kind of doing away with the free and strong type
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Speaker 1: of label and two high coverage structures and all this stuff.
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Speaker 1: And now I feel like, not that they're behind, But
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Speaker 1: I feel like they're kind of catching up to having
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Speaker 1: to pivot a little bit and deal with the downhill
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Speaker 1: run game that's coming at them because they're the way
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Speaker 1: they succeeded in defending the run last year was gapping out.
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Speaker 1: They needed numbers, they needed a neutral box count, or
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Speaker 1: they needed a stack box eight defenders are more. When
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Speaker 1: they went light, it was up and down. They would
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Speaker 1: get some penetration and they'd make a stop, or they
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Speaker 1: would get gouged and they would get gashed. And so
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Speaker 1: this defensive tackle grouping is so interesting for them because
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Speaker 1: they could stay the course with more of their pass
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Speaker 1: rush first interior, or they could pivot and get more
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Speaker 1: of a run skewed defensive tackle. And it could be
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Speaker 1: a high level guy that could start with that Oliver,
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Speaker 1: or it could be more of a rotational guy that's
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Speaker 1: a three or a four that could turn into you know,
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Speaker 1: a four to a three or a three to a two.
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Speaker 1: There's so much for a team like the Bills. I
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Speaker 1: think it's really interesting and you know, even for you
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Speaker 1: and you know this as well, even for the Chiefs,
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Speaker 1: like finding a running mate, like outside of Chris Jones,
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Speaker 1: and like who you pair him with and what do
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Speaker 1: you do? Like, there's really good defensive tackle options there
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Speaker 1: as well. And I think the the fun conversation for
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Speaker 1: this grouping starts once you get from like twenty five
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Speaker 1: to sixty. I think it's gonna be so fun for
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle that end of the first to the end
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Speaker 1: of the second, maybe even early third, because there's so
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Speaker 1: much schematic usage and so much like fun potential. Oh man,
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Speaker 1: this is a this is a good class.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun man.
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Speaker 1: All right, should we dive into it? You're ready, let's go.
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Speaker 1: Let's do it all right. For those of you playing
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Speaker 1: at home, similar to what we've done in the past
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Speaker 1: several weeks, we're gonna go round by round, So we're
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Speaker 1: gonna start with well, you know, we'll start with the
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Speaker 1: round one by itself. Then we're gonna move on to
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Speaker 1: day two, which is round two and round three, but
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Speaker 1: the Bills don't have a round three pick. They have
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Speaker 1: two twos. And then we're going to talk about day
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Speaker 1: three as a larger, higher level, you know, whole kind
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Speaker 1: of day discussion. But for those of you joining us
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Speaker 1: live or even if you're watching later, listening later, whatever
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Speaker 1: If you like our targets, if you hate our targets,
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Speaker 1: if you have some of your own, why do you
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Speaker 1: humanly possible. Super chats is always get priority one because
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Speaker 1: I respect the monetary donation to the color takes me
16:55
Speaker 1: away from my notes like a cat with a laser pointer. Daniel,
16:59
Speaker 1: you had the guests, so I'm gonna let you have
17:02
Speaker 1: the floor first. We are starting with defensive tackle and
17:05
Speaker 1: or defensive tackles. Could be one guy, could be multiple.
17:09
Speaker 1: We don't know each other's answers. We're blind to them.
17:11
Speaker 1: Who do you got in terms of best target or
17:15
Speaker 1: targets for the Buffalo Bills? A defensive tackle in round one?
17:19
Speaker 2: Man, this was a little hard because there's a lot
17:22
Speaker 2: of talk about where Walter Nolan's gonna fit right, like,
17:25
Speaker 2: where is he gonna go? I personally think he's a
17:28
Speaker 2: top fifteen player in this draft. And if you guys
17:30
Speaker 2: want like a full video breakdown, I just dropped one
17:32
Speaker 2: on the Draft Network today. There was a full video there,
17:36
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna probably steer the conversation away because I
17:40
Speaker 2: do think he's a top fifteen player, but just know
17:43
Speaker 2: if he follows, they should be all over it, just
17:45
Speaker 2: like every other team should be. And I'm gonna stick
17:47
Speaker 2: with two big bodied guys. Kenneth Grant and Derek Harmon
17:53
Speaker 2: are two players one Both of them have a little
17:56
Speaker 2: bit of upside as pass rushers. The big thing here
18:01
Speaker 2: is that Kenneth Grant is going to be like everyone's
18:05
Speaker 2: eyes are going to go to Kenneth Grant, right because
18:07
Speaker 2: he's got the long arms, He's three hundred and thirty
18:10
Speaker 2: plus pounds. He moves in a way you shouldn't see
18:12
Speaker 2: somebody move at that size. And when you see this
18:16
Speaker 2: guy that is kind of like a bowling ball. He
18:20
Speaker 2: moves like a bowling ball in terms of where he looks.
18:23
Speaker 2: He just like laterally, can make movements happen that he
18:28
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to. So you have that, and I
18:31
Speaker 2: actually think he's not as good of a run defender
18:34
Speaker 2: as he could.
18:35
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you the final, Lisa, I'll keep. I am sorry,
18:39
Speaker 1: I'm so I half the right, I'll continue.
18:42
Speaker 2: It's a lot when you see guys that are these
18:44
Speaker 2: balls of clay. And I will say Michigan has done
18:47
Speaker 2: a pretty decent job of developing defensive tackles, but still
18:51
Speaker 2: big schools have problems doing this. And I will also
18:55
Speaker 2: say going from one defense in twenty twenty three to
18:58
Speaker 2: Wink Martindale's deep vinces in twenty twenty four is a
19:02
Speaker 2: problem for just about everybody not named Mason Graham, and
19:05
Speaker 2: didn't work out as well for him either. So you
19:08
Speaker 2: have them learning a new system, having different responsibilities, and
19:13
Speaker 2: also trying to develop a players that's never easy to do.
19:16
Speaker 2: You see that happen in the NFL or some guys
19:18
Speaker 2: are trying to learn different defenses and they don't necessarily
19:21
Speaker 2: get that get a hang of that until year two. Well,
19:24
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grank got one year with Wing Martindale, and again
19:27
Speaker 2: I don't think he was at his best as a
19:29
Speaker 2: run defender in this iteration of it, but his twenty
19:32
Speaker 2: twenty three tape is much different. I think he's a
19:34
Speaker 2: better player overall, and he understand a little bit more
19:37
Speaker 2: about the defense because he played in his entire career,
19:39
Speaker 2: so you change a little bit of that. And this
19:42
Speaker 2: is a really good comment. He's not great at anything yet.
19:46
Speaker 2: But Kenneth Grant is the guy that everyone's gonna say
19:48
Speaker 2: we can make better. Every team's gonna say, I watch
19:51
Speaker 2: him and I can make him better. That's kind of
19:54
Speaker 2: how it feels. My only really big gripe is that
19:59
Speaker 2: I'm watching Mason gre Get double teams. Yeah, I'm like, awesome,
20:02
Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant, you got one on one. What are you
20:04
Speaker 2: gonna do?
20:04
Speaker 3: Yes?
20:06
Speaker 2: Nothing, Do something, Kenneth. He doesn't do something, Kenneth. He
20:09
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything. So it's it's tough because he's got
20:15
Speaker 2: a high level player, and like you said, twenty to sixty,
20:18
Speaker 2: these guys could go any which way, shape or form.
20:21
Speaker 2: But Harmon, on the other hand, is a better run
20:25
Speaker 2: defender right now. He's a better run defender. I didn't
20:28
Speaker 2: expect to see that either. Again, when you go back
20:30
Speaker 2: to his Michigan State tape, he looked like he was
20:32
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty pounds. He lost about fifteen pounds
20:35
Speaker 2: coming to Oregon. But he still knows how to anchor.
20:37
Speaker 2: And one of the things that I really appreciate is
20:39
Speaker 2: that he used all those skills, not just because they
20:42
Speaker 2: had Jamari Caldwell, who are gonna get to later we
20:45
Speaker 2: are the page.
20:48
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna say, but it lies.
20:50
Speaker 3: I know.
20:52
Speaker 2: He can play one. Derek Karmon could play one, he
20:54
Speaker 2: can play two. I all my notes I take, I
20:57
Speaker 2: have alignment, and then I just kind of jot down
20:59
Speaker 2: where they're playing you know four, I two, I plays
21:02
Speaker 2: at one, he plays three, he'll play five. He played
21:04
Speaker 2: everywhere for Orgon, all along the front.
21:06
Speaker 1: I can see every four team being interested in him
21:08
Speaker 1: to play like a true four down front.
21:11
Speaker 3: Yeah.
21:12
Speaker 2: He can take double teams from tackles and guards. You
21:14
Speaker 2: can take double teams from centers and ten guards. It
21:16
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. He's very good. He uses that kickstand technique
21:19
Speaker 2: very well. If you guys don't know, the kickstand is
21:21
Speaker 2: where you have that anchor right, You're getting two tacklers
21:24
Speaker 2: blockers coming at you, and you bend one of your
21:26
Speaker 2: knees down to the ground right.
21:28
Speaker 1: So it helps you take that leverage and that knee drop.
21:32
Speaker 2: That knee bend. It's essential and guys that don't have
21:34
Speaker 2: it get blown off the ball. Far more, we're seeing
21:36
Speaker 2: it become like almost a fundamental point as a run
21:40
Speaker 2: defender where you have to have some of that knee bend.
21:42
Speaker 2: Maybe not all the way down, but you need a
21:44
Speaker 2: little bit of knee bend just to absorb some of that.
21:47
Speaker 1: And not only does it take the lower body flexibility
21:49
Speaker 1: to do it, but it also takes the block recognition
21:51
Speaker 1: because you have to see that flash coming and understand, oh,
21:54
Speaker 1: the doubles come and let me reduce my service area,
21:56
Speaker 1: drop that knee. So it takes the mental side and
21:58
Speaker 1: the physical abilities that f.
22:00
Speaker 2: Like recognization to be able to do it while while
22:04
Speaker 2: also moving with the play. Say this is moving, it's
22:06
Speaker 2: like an inside zone, but you're getting double team. You
22:08
Speaker 2: have to move with the play, recognize that block, and
22:11
Speaker 2: drop down like you have to do all of those things.
22:14
Speaker 2: And at a guy at three hundred and thirteen pounds,
22:17
Speaker 2: he can play one. He can do all of that
22:19
Speaker 2: for you. So again him, what are his hands doing?
22:24
Speaker 2: He does? He uses his hands so bad as a
22:26
Speaker 2: pass rusher. It makes no sense to me at all,
22:29
Speaker 2: because he has real power in his hands when he's
22:32
Speaker 2: one on one and as a run defender, he can
22:35
Speaker 2: stack peak and he can just do whatever he wants to.
22:37
Speaker 2: He's got legitimate power. But as a pass rusher, he's.
22:41
Speaker 1: Ye, yeah, they just bristed. Yeah, it's weird.
22:43
Speaker 2: He doesn't. And then sometimes you'll see him do a
22:45
Speaker 2: rip and he'll just stay there. Give me counter, give
22:48
Speaker 2: me something else, give me more, do something else. So
22:51
Speaker 2: those are the two guys I think at the end
22:53
Speaker 2: of the first round they're gonna find their way as
22:55
Speaker 2: first round players. That also make sense to pair with
22:58
Speaker 2: the guy like at Oliver because that's he's like that
23:02
Speaker 2: gap shooting type guy. He doesn't want to be the
23:05
Speaker 2: I want to take up blocks and keep my linebackers cleaning. No,
23:07
Speaker 2: you need somebody else to help do that.
23:10
Speaker 1: Man. I don't know where to start because I'm so
23:13
Speaker 1: excited by your train of thought here and where you are.
23:17
Speaker 1: I'll start with Kenneth Grant. And this is the way
23:19
Speaker 1: I've described him, described him because I've seen I've seen
23:22
Speaker 1: so many conversations around Kenneth Grant, and I think it's
23:25
Speaker 1: part of the larger defensive tackle run stopping conversation. I
23:29
Speaker 1: think most people equate and it's understandable most people equate.
23:32
Speaker 1: You know, you want a run stopper and inside it
23:34
Speaker 1: needs to be a bigger bodied guy. And so people
23:37
Speaker 1: see bigger body guy and think, Okay, this guy must
23:39
Speaker 1: be a run stopper. But the way people, even somebody
23:43
Speaker 1: like analysis and evaluators talk about Kenneth Grant and even
23:46
Speaker 1: more so like how fans talk about him, how they
23:49
Speaker 1: talk about Kenneth Grant as a run defender is how
23:52
Speaker 1: tight Leek Williams is as a run defender. Correct, people
23:54
Speaker 1: talk about Kenneth Grant is like, oh, he's this cure
23:57
Speaker 1: all You drop him in the middle of your line
23:58
Speaker 1: and he's going to stop the run. Plug it up.
24:01
Speaker 1: That's Tyler Williams. Kenneth Grant. Kenneth Grant has been like
24:05
Speaker 1: such an enigma for me, and because the other way
24:07
Speaker 1: I talk about him is he's a three hundred and
24:08
Speaker 1: thirty plus pound guy like you mentioned, but I feel
24:11
Speaker 1: like he plays like he thinks he's three h five
24:14
Speaker 1: or three ten, like he wants to be penetrator upfield
24:18
Speaker 1: pass rush, which okay, is fine because you've got some movement,
24:22
Speaker 1: but like you talked about, he doesn't have the plan
24:24
Speaker 1: or the hand usage or the refinement as a pass rusher,
24:27
Speaker 1: yet he stalls out so much where to your point
24:30
Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, they're taking Graham, Kenneth Grant, you
24:34
Speaker 1: do something. And then it's annoying me because I'm watching
24:35
Speaker 1: Josiah Stewart play like a Veloci raptor and go through
24:38
Speaker 1: guys left and right being this tiny guy, and I'm like,
24:41
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant, can you go through, Just do something, Just
24:43
Speaker 1: go through somebody, Just do something one time, stop like
24:46
Speaker 1: just staying. Like there's time where he doesn't even get
24:48
Speaker 1: like a yard into the backfield, like he's just there
24:51
Speaker 1: and just kinda I feel like he also at times
24:55
Speaker 1: does pass rush moves like someone who is like you're
24:59
Speaker 1: playing street Fighter and you don't know the combos. You're
25:01
Speaker 1: just mashing buttons hoping something like works out, and because
25:04
Speaker 1: you can tell it, I'm like, why are you doing that?
25:06
Speaker 1: Like what's happening? But the size, the frame, the movements
25:11
Speaker 1: you do see are extremely encouraging. Like you mentioned, you
25:14
Speaker 1: should not be that big and have the movement that
25:17
Speaker 1: you have. I know his testing and his numbers weren't
25:19
Speaker 1: as great as everybody nearly thought they were going to be,
25:22
Speaker 1: but you watch the tape, the lateral explosion, the agility
25:26
Speaker 1: that he has for a man of that size, you
25:29
Speaker 1: cannot teach that. That is tremendously encouraging. And there are
25:31
Speaker 1: some really great flashes, like watching him when that quick
25:34
Speaker 1: swim happens on the snap and he buries somebody and
25:37
Speaker 1: he's in the backfield. You oh, like it catches your
25:40
Speaker 1: attention immediately, and it's impressive and rightfully so. But I
25:44
Speaker 1: just don't think he has that consistency yet, either as
25:47
Speaker 1: either a rusher or as a run defender. And he's
25:51
Speaker 1: such an enigma to me because I think he skews
25:53
Speaker 1: more towards a pass rusher and a penetrator, but he
25:57
Speaker 1: doesn't have like the skill set for that. And I
26:00
Speaker 1: want him to mash in the run more but he doesn't,
26:02
Speaker 1: but he does at times. And I'm also wondering, like
26:06
Speaker 1: what do teams in the first I guess ahead of
26:08
Speaker 1: the Bills, so the first twenty nine, how do they
26:11
Speaker 1: value these guys? Like I've seen so many different evaluations,
26:14
Speaker 1: Like I have Derek Harmon as defensive tackle too. Is
26:17
Speaker 1: someone having Kenneth Grant as that someone else having Walter Nolan?
26:21
Speaker 1: Do people think of the inconsistencies with Nolan on tape
26:25
Speaker 1: and then some of the off the field stuff. Is
26:27
Speaker 1: that enough to knock him down or do you bank
26:29
Speaker 1: on the flashes which are like I don't know, I
26:32
Speaker 1: mean Walter Nolan, if you oh, there's several guys, but
26:37
Speaker 1: if you just like if you put together just like
26:39
Speaker 1: the best plays from someone's season in this whole draft class,
26:42
Speaker 1: like it like the best mixtape might be Walter Nolan's,
26:46
Speaker 1: Like his mixtape is crazy good for his highlight, it's
26:49
Speaker 1: like it's insane. But Grant is a bit of an enigma.
26:53
Speaker 1: I do think he's a target there for the Bills.
26:55
Speaker 1: Harmon would be my idea one to your point, because
26:58
Speaker 1: of what he offers as a run defender and as
27:01
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. He's got enough in both camps that
27:05
Speaker 1: you're not robbing Peter to pay Paul, and you combine
27:08
Speaker 1: that with the length, high character guy, the front versatility,
27:11
Speaker 1: especially for a team like the Bills, like they want
27:14
Speaker 1: their backup defensive tackles everybody from like really from starters
27:18
Speaker 1: to back, but especially rotational guys. They want them to
27:20
Speaker 1: be able to play three tech and one tech. And
27:22
Speaker 1: if you can get that in the starters. They want that,
27:24
Speaker 1: and Harmon, like we talked about, can play one, he
27:26
Speaker 1: can play three. You want to get creative and do
27:28
Speaker 1: some other stuff like, he can do that as well.
27:30
Speaker 1: I mean again, the Bills are traditionally a standard four
27:33
Speaker 1: down front, but if they ever wanted to, he can
27:35
Speaker 1: line up all across the defensive line. Those guys I
27:38
Speaker 1: think are.
27:39
Speaker 2: Both on the board.
27:40
Speaker 1: I think Harmon's gonna go. I don't see Harmon lasting
27:45
Speaker 1: because of what he does as a rusher and as
27:48
Speaker 1: a run defender, and the length and the measurables and
27:51
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I feel like he'll be gone. I
27:53
Speaker 1: feel like Kenneth Grant's a realistic option. My favorite who
27:56
Speaker 1: I mentioned for round one is Tyler Williams. And I know,
28:02
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't necessarily the past rus juice or
28:05
Speaker 1: game that the Bill's not necessarily cove it on the inside,
28:08
Speaker 1: but it's a couple of things for me what he
28:10
Speaker 1: is as a run defender. He's such a plus run defender.
28:12
Speaker 1: The physicality, the violence, the leverage, the hand usage, but
28:16
Speaker 1: also the block recognition. His guard is pulling in front
28:20
Speaker 1: of him, He's immediately getting his eyes to that tackle.
28:22
Speaker 1: He's seeing what's happening. He's working back over the top
28:24
Speaker 1: like he's not just all let me engage. I can't
28:27
Speaker 1: tell you how many times he drops the knee because
28:29
Speaker 1: he recognizes, oh, here's my guy. I'm seeing on my
28:32
Speaker 1: peripheral someone's crashing down. Bang, and he for a dude
28:35
Speaker 1: who's like three hundred and twenty pounds in around that range,
28:37
Speaker 1: that him dropping that knee, bang, and then he powers through.
28:40
Speaker 1: He is a plus defender in the run for a
28:43
Speaker 1: Bills team that I think needs more run defense, skewed
28:48
Speaker 1: players inside in general, but especially with their light box usage.
28:52
Speaker 1: And I think he's athletic enough with enough juice that
28:55
Speaker 1: he can compromise the depth of the pocket. Not in
28:57
Speaker 1: a sexy way, but he can knock some guys back,
29:00
Speaker 1: you know. He can push some guys back, create some
29:01
Speaker 1: knock back a little bit. I just I favor his
29:06
Speaker 1: skill set so much. Like if it was between him
29:09
Speaker 1: and Kenneth Grant, I would take Tyleek Williams. I would
29:12
Speaker 1: take Derek Harmon over all of them. I just don't
29:15
Speaker 1: think Harmon's going to be there. But it really like,
29:18
Speaker 1: I hate to play this card because it sounds like
29:20
Speaker 1: a cop out there's really not a lot of wrong
29:22
Speaker 1: answers with the defensive tackles that could be there, Like
29:24
Speaker 1: you could make a case for a lot which is
29:26
Speaker 1: fun for the Bills, or should be at least.
29:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Williams, it's he plays the game the way
29:32
Speaker 2: you wanted defensive tackle to play the game. Like he
29:34
Speaker 2: just he does not care about his own body. He doesn't.
29:37
Speaker 2: And he's also so cerebral. He's so smart, he understands
29:41
Speaker 2: everything like that type of stuff translates to the next level.
29:43
Speaker 2: So even if he isn't a plus pass rusher in
29:46
Speaker 2: the NFL, but one thing he can do is consistently
29:48
Speaker 2: collapse the pocket. Yes, you need to be going to bed,
29:51
Speaker 2: you do.
29:53
Speaker 1: She's here for the tyleek Williams talk. She was like, Oh,
29:55
Speaker 1: we're talking about collapsing the pocket, tyleek Williams.
29:57
Speaker 2: I know. I'm sorry.
30:00
Speaker 1: Good, I get it. She knows she knows good tape
30:03
Speaker 1: when she hears it and she sees it.
30:05
Speaker 2: I respect it. But yeah, it's I think you can
30:08
Speaker 2: translate enough of that with a hand usage as a
30:10
Speaker 2: run defender. You might be able to get more out
30:12
Speaker 2: of him as a pass rusher, but at worst you're
30:14
Speaker 2: getting immediate press back like he can do that immediately,
30:18
Speaker 2: And like you said, I think one of the big
30:20
Speaker 2: things coming to the next level for guys that are
30:22
Speaker 2: rushing like that, their hips in their feet get too narrow,
30:25
Speaker 2: and that's part of the problem. Even with with Derek Harmon,
30:30
Speaker 2: you see him, he kind of gets up and he
30:31
Speaker 2: gets narrow as a pass rusher and that limits his
30:34
Speaker 2: ability to get around the edge when he does so
30:37
Speaker 2: when he's playing five tech he comes around with the rip,
30:40
Speaker 2: he just keeps getting up field because he doesn't have
30:42
Speaker 2: he's too narrow. So Williams is a big He's a
30:45
Speaker 2: he's a wider guy too. You gotta rush with a
30:48
Speaker 2: little bit more of a base, and that's hard to do,
30:51
Speaker 2: right because when you're running your your feet naturally get
30:54
Speaker 2: a little bit more narrow, so it's hard to stay
30:56
Speaker 2: that way and learn that way. So you can maybe
30:59
Speaker 2: get a little bit more with the give yourself more
31:01
Speaker 2: space with the extension, and then try to find ways
31:05
Speaker 2: to just square yourself and force those guys to figure
31:08
Speaker 2: out where you're going. But Williams is going to be
31:10
Speaker 2: one of a premier run defender in the NFL. In
31:14
Speaker 2: my opinion, He's fantastic.
31:15
Speaker 1: He was initially my my number one hope at thirty
31:20
Speaker 1: for the Bills is a corner. I've been on the
31:21
Speaker 1: Tray Amos camps week since a week before the combine.
31:24
Speaker 2: Bro He's so awesome.
31:25
Speaker 1: I love him like I wanted that pick. That is
31:28
Speaker 1: my number one. Give me that. If Amos and Harmon
31:31
Speaker 1: are both there, it's a little more of a fight
31:33
Speaker 1: in my brain, but I've already made peace that Harmon's
31:36
Speaker 1: not going to be there, so I'm like, give me Amos.
31:38
Speaker 1: And my dream scenario for like the draft was like
31:40
Speaker 1: man Amos at thirty and TYLERK. Williams of fifty six,
31:44
Speaker 1: and then I'm just like, I think Williams he ain't
31:47
Speaker 1: gonna be there at fifty six, Like I just I
31:50
Speaker 1: feel like at the latest he goes in like the
31:52
Speaker 1: mid to late forties. So if you want him, you
31:55
Speaker 1: gotta grab him. And I just think his skill set
31:57
Speaker 1: provides so much value what the Bills need and you
32:00
Speaker 1: look at the rest of their room, right you need someone.
32:03
Speaker 1: I think Daikwon Jones is better suited to be like
32:06
Speaker 1: a rotational guy at this point, So you need a
32:08
Speaker 1: starting one tech opposite of at Oliver. Tyler Williams can
32:12
Speaker 1: be that guy. Then you've got Daiquon as a rotational guy,
32:14
Speaker 1: and then you've got Larry Ogunjobi who got a service
32:17
Speaker 1: six game suspension but is built Moore as a three.
32:20
Speaker 1: Sean McDermott talked about him playing more of a three
32:22
Speaker 1: this year, but he can play a one at times
32:25
Speaker 1: from a more penetrative aspect, opposite of what Tyler Williams is.
32:28
Speaker 1: But I just think he fits. Man. Just give me,
32:31
Speaker 1: give me Tyler Williams in the interior, do you not like?
32:34
Speaker 1: And then don't have anybody touch Terrel Bernard and don't
32:36
Speaker 1: have anybody touch Taron Johnson and Matt Malono. Let your smaller,
32:40
Speaker 1: speedier shooting style second level be small and speedy and
32:45
Speaker 1: shoot and not have to worry about going around blockers
32:48
Speaker 1: and beaten guys. And he can split doubles. He has
32:51
Speaker 1: he has enough knock back on the interior, where again,
32:55
Speaker 1: I feel like he's obviously he skews towards run defense,
32:58
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's more like it's not nice.
33:00
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, sixty five to thirty five or maybe
33:02
Speaker 1: sixty forty, like he can give you a little bit
33:04
Speaker 1: of juice there, although he is primarily more like an
33:06
Speaker 1: early down run defender. But in this Bill's defense, I
33:09
Speaker 1: think it really really matters a lot anybody else on
33:13
Speaker 1: your mind when it comes to round one for the
33:14
Speaker 1: Bills and defensive tackle.
33:16
Speaker 2: That's really it for a first round guys, because everyone
33:19
Speaker 2: else for me is just a little bit down a
33:21
Speaker 2: tier or they're a little up a tier. So we
33:23
Speaker 2: have this middle ruck ground right there. I think Williams
33:26
Speaker 2: is probably still going to be a second round player
33:30
Speaker 2: for me overall. But again at the end of the
33:32
Speaker 2: first round, talking about guys that are all second round
33:35
Speaker 2: maybe even third round grades, but you really really like
33:38
Speaker 2: their possible upside.
33:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's even fair too. You get that at
33:41
Speaker 1: the back end of every round. How many times do
33:43
Speaker 1: we hear every year like the last I don't know,
33:44
Speaker 1: from twenty five to thirty two, it's a lot of
33:46
Speaker 1: guys that had more of a second round grade, but
33:48
Speaker 1: there's only a handful of first round grades. So these
33:50
Speaker 1: guys creep in. Same thing happens with the back end
33:52
Speaker 1: of round two, the back end of round three, so
33:54
Speaker 1: on and so forth. Yeah, but this man first the
33:58
Speaker 1: first round, I'm sweating already. I also don't hate the
34:01
Speaker 1: idea of the bills. I know people could probably yell
34:03
Speaker 1: at me for this. I don't hate the idea of
34:04
Speaker 1: the bills trading out of it because the sweet spot
34:07
Speaker 1: in this class is like rounds two through like mid four.
34:10
Speaker 1: I have no problem getting like more day two picks
34:13
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form if I can move
34:15
Speaker 1: from like thirty to thirty five or thirty to thirty
34:17
Speaker 1: six or something like that and getting these ranges. But yeah,
34:20
Speaker 1: really good options there for the bills at at pick thirty.
34:25
Speaker 1: And I know I wanted to comment on this cause
34:28
Speaker 1: Pete was responded to someone else, But you know he
34:30
Speaker 1: prefers better a corner at pick thirty than a defensive
34:32
Speaker 1: lineman who is in dynamic against the run in the past.
34:35
Speaker 1: And I second, I get that notion, especially from a
34:37
Speaker 1: Tyler Williams perspective. This is a reference to that, But
34:39
Speaker 1: I think ty Leek would be such a force multiplier
34:42
Speaker 1: on the interior then it would significantly benefit the defense
34:46
Speaker 1: from a coverage structure standpoint, and then help things from
34:50
Speaker 1: that point on. I just think he's such a schematic piece.
34:53
Speaker 1: But I also gravitate towards guys that just play with
34:55
Speaker 1: good mentals and are violent on the inside, Like, how
34:57
Speaker 1: can you not like that? I'm biased?
34:59
Speaker 2: Yeah that's me. All right.
35:01
Speaker 1: Let's move on to round two and round two I
35:04
Speaker 1: think is really fun because, like you said, I think
35:09
Speaker 1: these this is where you start to get into where
35:10
Speaker 1: the Bills pick at fifty six and sixty two. I
35:12
Speaker 1: think this is where you're starting to get into probably
35:14
Speaker 1: like depending on how you have people have them tiered out,
35:17
Speaker 1: probably like tier five or tier six, maybe the end
35:19
Speaker 1: of tier four, depending on how big your tiers are
35:21
Speaker 1: of defensive tackles, and with them not having a third
35:26
Speaker 1: round pick, I think whatever they do in round two,
35:29
Speaker 1: who whatever it is, if it's a corner in round two,
35:32
Speaker 1: if it's an edge, or if it's a defensive tackle
35:33
Speaker 1: like this, it's really interesting to see if they get
35:37
Speaker 1: someone who is in line with those tiers or is
35:40
Speaker 1: it someone who's more of a third rounder that they
35:43
Speaker 1: have to reach and grab because they're not going to
35:45
Speaker 1: be available at pick one oh nine when they have
35:47
Speaker 1: a four, which is their next pick, So they go
35:49
Speaker 1: fifty six, sixty two and then one oh nine. So
35:52
Speaker 1: does somebody naturally fall and if they do who is
35:55
Speaker 1: it and if not, are they reaching for someone because
35:59
Speaker 1: that reach seems like a reach, But they're not gonna
36:02
Speaker 1: be there in round four. I think this is where
36:04
Speaker 1: it gets really fun because there's there's so many possibilities
36:06
Speaker 1: and kind of whittling it down based on who you
36:09
Speaker 1: think is going to be there, but also talking about
36:10
Speaker 1: scheme fit and need starts to become a fun conversation
36:13
Speaker 1: in round two here.
36:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is tough because specifically for like
36:18
Speaker 2: round two, it's it's kind of a small group like
36:21
Speaker 2: it's but like you said, it's going to be a
36:25
Speaker 2: little bit bigger and more robust because they don't have
36:27
Speaker 2: a third up pick, so they can do whatever they
36:28
Speaker 2: want to exactly with one of these with both of
36:31
Speaker 2: these picks. So guys you have third round grad it's like,
36:33
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, you're gonna have all right, take them
36:36
Speaker 2: a second round. We're not gonna be there in the
36:38
Speaker 2: third round. I mean maybe you trade back and into
36:40
Speaker 2: the third round, which is always a possibility. But this
36:42
Speaker 2: is where you start to find some of those pass
36:46
Speaker 2: rush guys, like you get the high level defensive tackles
36:49
Speaker 2: that have the run stuffing there at the end of
36:51
Speaker 2: the first and second rounds and then you start to
36:54
Speaker 2: tear into some of these pass rushers. But I think
36:57
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with another guy that fits the tile,
37:00
Speaker 2: Williams mold and Alfred Collins, who again is going to
37:02
Speaker 2: be a two down most likely player. I think he
37:06
Speaker 2: has more lateral juice and hand usage than he really
37:10
Speaker 2: showcased at Texas and it was really starting to come on,
37:13
Speaker 2: Like I think that he was starting to find himself
37:15
Speaker 2: this season. So you have a little bit of that there.
37:18
Speaker 2: But this is a guy who doesn't move. He eats
37:20
Speaker 2: blocks every single day, twice on Sundays, and that he
37:25
Speaker 2: just continues to go back for more. And he's a
37:28
Speaker 2: physically dominating player. He wants to dominate players. That's another
37:32
Speaker 2: thing that you love about these guys. So again, he's
37:36
Speaker 2: not going to be able to give you a high
37:37
Speaker 2: level pass rush ability, but he can absolutely crush pockets.
37:41
Speaker 2: He has that strength with his arms in his hands
37:44
Speaker 2: to take and extend again peak find a way shed
37:47
Speaker 2: I think that with some of these former Big twelve
37:52
Speaker 2: now SEC guys, you have to learn That.
37:54
Speaker 1: Still throws me for a loop that Texas is in
37:56
Speaker 1: the SEC. It's I still can't get my head around
37:58
Speaker 1: or even watching tape this year, I'm like, yeah, why
38:01
Speaker 1: is Oregon playing Michigan? And I'm like, what has happened?
38:04
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, big time, like it just I'm still
38:06
Speaker 1: not there.
38:07
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's a tough thing because you have there.
38:10
Speaker 2: You still used to play against big twelve offensive lines.
38:12
Speaker 2: The big twelve offensive lines aren't great, so you have
38:15
Speaker 2: a little bit of an adjustment period for a guy
38:17
Speaker 2: I got, like Alfred Collins in Texas. The defensive line. Now, oh,
38:20
Speaker 2: these offensive lines are bigger that They're just bigger, so
38:23
Speaker 2: you have to learn a different style of play almost
38:26
Speaker 2: And I think the Collins as the season went along,
38:29
Speaker 2: you started to see him time his first step a
38:31
Speaker 2: bit better with the movement and getting inside some double
38:34
Speaker 2: teams and being able to split them because there's always
38:36
Speaker 2: it's always a double to the second level. But initially
38:39
Speaker 2: what you want to do is force them inward. You
38:42
Speaker 2: want to make them both turn to you. So if
38:44
Speaker 2: you can tie that step in the direction that they're going,
38:47
Speaker 2: whether it's at you or inside or outside, you can
38:50
Speaker 2: throw that off and keep your second level or third
38:53
Speaker 2: level defender force defender clean. So you saw that get
38:57
Speaker 2: out from him. He started to start get off the
38:58
Speaker 2: ball a little bit more. A lot of these guys
39:00
Speaker 2: have first step inconsistencies too. Just watch the damn ball
39:04
Speaker 2: and move like I know, there's a lot more to
39:07
Speaker 2: it than that. We talked about recognizing the rud fit
39:10
Speaker 2: and the run block and everything like that, but overall,
39:13
Speaker 2: like you have to just get off the damn ball.
39:15
Speaker 2: That's just everything starts there. All of them have a
39:18
Speaker 2: first step. But if you don't come, if you come
39:21
Speaker 2: out of it like this, guess what you're going backward?
39:23
Speaker 2: You are going backward every single time, even Forgot, like
39:26
Speaker 2: got for Collins, So three hundred and thirty two pounds
39:28
Speaker 2: at six six, like this is a big, big, massive,
39:32
Speaker 2: one tech or noseguard if you want to. I know,
39:34
Speaker 2: they play a predominantly a three to four or four
39:37
Speaker 2: to three. But you have that skill set there. He
39:40
Speaker 2: can double, he can two gap a little bit too.
39:43
Speaker 2: So if you get creative with it, you have a
39:45
Speaker 2: guy who is that big, massive defensive tackle that can
39:48
Speaker 2: neat block. So he's a fit there for just again
39:51
Speaker 2: for a two down player, but I don't know how
39:55
Speaker 2: much of a past strussed kind of guy they need
39:58
Speaker 2: because and you're all gonna hate me still, my guy
40:01
Speaker 2: Dwayne Carter is on the roster.
40:04
Speaker 1: You no, No, Obviously a lot of people are still
40:06
Speaker 1: higher on him. I Am not like I'm buried down
40:09
Speaker 1: on him in concerned, but you have there's a lot
40:12
Speaker 1: more positivity then you might anticipate still around wave Carter.
40:15
Speaker 2: So that's fair. I I haven't watched a lot I'm
40:17
Speaker 2: for it's not great. It's not how I would imagine.
40:20
Speaker 2: It's not great.
40:21
Speaker 1: Just watch the game against the Texans and then pretend
40:24
Speaker 1: every other game doesn't happen and you'll feel great.
40:27
Speaker 2: So there's slashes, see that. That's all I need, That's all.
40:29
Speaker 2: I didn't talk myself into him because that's pretty much
40:31
Speaker 2: what it was at Duke. And again it was a
40:33
Speaker 2: down defensive tackle class last year, which one of those
40:36
Speaker 2: defensive tackles have really played all that great. You saw
40:39
Speaker 2: a little bit of Mason Smith coming out, you know,
40:41
Speaker 2: from LSU with the Jaguars. He started to play pretty
40:44
Speaker 2: well for them, but I don't know how much of
40:45
Speaker 2: a three tech type of player. But if they've given
40:47
Speaker 2: up completely on that kind of guy, Darius Alexander is
40:51
Speaker 2: is right there. I know that. I know the age concerns.
40:55
Speaker 2: Trust me, I get it. I don't care. I don't care.
41:00
Speaker 2: This is high praise, but don't put it in the
41:05
Speaker 2: same bucket. He moves like Chris Jones does, but just
41:08
Speaker 2: without the without the conditioning. I don't like his conditioning.
41:12
Speaker 2: It's not good. It's but you have when you watch
41:14
Speaker 2: Chris Jones, like he lost a bunch of weight and
41:16
Speaker 2: he's tremmed up, and he's been doing it in the
41:18
Speaker 2: NFL for a long time, so he figures that out.
41:20
Speaker 2: But he he has the same kind of stylistic movement
41:23
Speaker 2: where you see him set up guards and centers with
41:27
Speaker 2: a little bit of shimmy. Then in comes the swim
41:29
Speaker 2: and it's over. It's just it's over in a flash.
41:32
Speaker 2: And he also is the same kind of mentality where
41:36
Speaker 2: he wants to physically dominate players. You see it every
41:39
Speaker 2: time he gets steps on the field. And I was
41:42
Speaker 2: watching him against pitt Pittsburgh in the their their bowl game,
41:46
Speaker 2: and he was he was unblockable. He drops.
41:50
Speaker 1: Isn't that the game where he drops in the coverage
41:51
Speaker 1: he gets the pick six, He drops us a low
41:53
Speaker 1: hole player and he and he reads the quarterback's eyes
41:57
Speaker 1: and jumps underneath it too.
41:59
Speaker 2: Because he was like he drops back quarterbacks look at
42:02
Speaker 2: this way. He's like, yeah, I got this, no problem.
42:04
Speaker 2: And it was seamless. Like there's guys that move that way.
42:09
Speaker 2: You don't see Kenneth Grant dropping into coverage. I'm telling
42:11
Speaker 2: you right now, he's not dropping into coverage. So he's tall.
42:15
Speaker 2: I mean he six or four. He's not six to
42:17
Speaker 2: six like Collins, but three or five. Talking about a
42:20
Speaker 2: completely different by type. And also he does have he
42:22
Speaker 2: flashes the kickstand technique, so he knows how to use
42:25
Speaker 2: it and get in there. But overall, we're talking about
42:28
Speaker 2: a guy who is getting better, and he is experienced
42:32
Speaker 2: now obviously six year player and at Toledo. I understand
42:36
Speaker 2: all of that, but I don't care. The physical tools
42:38
Speaker 2: are there, and that is a player that I am
42:40
Speaker 2: betting on in the second round nine times out of
42:44
Speaker 2: ten unless there is something in his profile from interviews,
42:48
Speaker 2: background check, stuff like that that says we don't want
42:51
Speaker 2: to draft this guy. He has the exact kind of
42:54
Speaker 2: we can get in the gap here, I can take
42:56
Speaker 2: on doubles, I can move around a little bit and
42:58
Speaker 2: give you some flexibility among the front and he also
43:02
Speaker 2: rushed against tackles and he won a couple of those
43:05
Speaker 2: pretty convincingly too, So that's why I'm talking about a
43:09
Speaker 2: tigh praise. But he moves and kind of gives you
43:11
Speaker 2: some of that Chris Jones type of player where you
43:15
Speaker 2: want to bring someone inside. Fine, I'll kick outside and
43:17
Speaker 2: rush against a tackle. He has the hands and skills
43:20
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. So he's another one
43:22
Speaker 2: of those players that I have my eyes on. Again,
43:24
Speaker 2: if they're looking for someone that can come in maybe
43:26
Speaker 2: give you a little bit of the one tech but
43:29
Speaker 2: probably more of a three tech backup, but also third downs.
43:33
Speaker 2: He can come in and just rush and be something
43:35
Speaker 2: that you need in that regard.
43:37
Speaker 1: Man, I'll tell you how much I like Darius Alexander.
43:41
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful that he can be there at fifty six.
43:46
Speaker 1: But then I watched the tape and I was like,
43:49
Speaker 1: not happening, Like just the movement and the size and
43:52
Speaker 1: the frame. I was like, he's not going to be there.
43:55
Speaker 1: And so I was at the point where and I'm
43:57
Speaker 1: still there, Like if the Bills took him at thirty,
44:00
Speaker 1: I would not hate it because of what he offers.
44:03
Speaker 1: Now to your point, like we can talk about the
44:06
Speaker 1: size and frame stuff. I'll just read through some of these.
44:10
Speaker 1: Eighty fifth percentile for wingspan, seventy seventh percentile for arm length,
44:14
Speaker 1: seventy fourth percentile for ten yards split, eighty first percent
44:18
Speaker 1: out for his forty seventy six percentile for his vert
44:21
Speaker 1: eightieth percent out for his broad jump, fifty seven percent
44:25
Speaker 1: out for his three cone drill, explosion, and agility and
44:30
Speaker 1: movement for a guy who's you know, six three and
44:32
Speaker 1: seven eights essentially you know, six', four like you, said
44:34
Speaker 1: three hundred and five. Pounds AND i went into the tape, thinking,
44:38
Speaker 1: okay based on he's built, Explosion i'm, thinking like we'll
44:43
Speaker 1: get some past stuff, cool that's. Awesome and then based
44:46
Speaker 1: on what The bill is like on the, interior, again
44:49
Speaker 1: they don't gravitate towards bigger bodied. Guys. Now part of
44:53
Speaker 1: the reason WHY i also Like Tyler williams, is you,
44:56
Speaker 1: know doing the film room and speaking with several of
44:59
Speaker 1: The bills. Players two of them in, Particular Terrel bernard
45:02
Speaker 1: And Greg russo said things unprompted that made us think
45:06
Speaker 1: that they might look towards more of a bigger body
45:08
Speaker 1: and more of a run defense first type of tackle
45:10
Speaker 1: in the draft one. Second sean McDermott And Brandon bean
45:13
Speaker 1: have both, dropped you, know some breadcrumbs regarding, That SO
45:16
Speaker 1: i hope that is a bit of a tweak that we.
45:18
Speaker 1: See but if, Not alexander does fit their mold like
45:22
Speaker 1: they like their defensive tackles between like three oh five
45:24
Speaker 1: and three. Ten Daikwon jones when he came to The,
45:28
Speaker 1: bills he dropped weight down to three hundred and ten,
45:31
Speaker 1: pounds so everyone was, like, Man daiquon was like the
45:34
Speaker 1: perfect one. Tech he played at three, Ten so Derris
45:36
Speaker 1: alexander at three oh. Five that's not crazy for him
45:40
Speaker 1: to play one tech for The, bills, now is it?
45:41
Speaker 1: Ideal to your? POINT i think he is more of a.
45:44
Speaker 1: Three but could he play one for The bills or
45:46
Speaker 1: could The bill see him as?
45:47
Speaker 3: That?
45:47
Speaker 1: Yes WHAT i really liked about him the pit, Game
45:51
Speaker 1: like he talked about so much, athleticism hand, uses the
45:53
Speaker 1: length showing. Up the game that got me was The
45:56
Speaker 1: Mississippi state. Game AND i Know Mississippi state isn't like
45:59
Speaker 1: AN sec, power but it's still a team in THE.
46:01
Speaker 1: Sec watching his run defense Against Mississippi state is what got.
46:06
Speaker 1: Me you were seeing him anchor and just play with
46:09
Speaker 1: lean and extend and hold up against. Doubles you're seeing
46:12
Speaker 1: him drop the. Knee he dropped the. KNEE i literally
46:15
Speaker 1: have in my notes able to drop the knee verse
46:17
Speaker 1: doubles or anchor and hold his OWN i Guess Mississippi.
46:20
Speaker 1: State he had three strong. Reps one, knee two. Anchors
46:22
Speaker 1: he's able to hold his ground and defeat blocks when he's.
46:25
Speaker 1: Low his length and his strength make him extremely hard to.
46:28
Speaker 1: Move those run defense reps were, LIKE i was like,
46:32
Speaker 1: That i'm so, like that's.
46:33
Speaker 2: It, yeah that's, fine Exactly.
46:34
Speaker 1: Like and when you pair that with again the disruption
46:37
Speaker 1: and the mix of length and pop and hand usage and,
46:40
Speaker 1: agility all of that on the, interior if he's there
46:44
Speaker 1: at fifty, SIX i would run that card. Up that
46:46
Speaker 1: right now is like more of my initial dream was, like,
46:49
Speaker 1: Oh amos and Ty. LEAK i don't think Ty leerk's
46:51
Speaker 1: going to be there at fifty. SIX i would love
46:53
Speaker 1: for it to Be Darius, alexander my other favorite target
46:56
Speaker 1: there at in round two here at one of these
46:58
Speaker 1: picks was also out For. Collins like you, mentioned, man
47:02
Speaker 1: he just and you alluded to it literal like, textbook
47:07
Speaker 1: stack and shed like how you teach. It the, pop the,
47:11
Speaker 1: peak the throw bang like it is. Beautiful the hand,
47:15
Speaker 1: placement the, extension and the violence on the shed like
47:20
Speaker 1: he wants to throw somebody through the earth like. Beautiful
47:25
Speaker 1: he is such a good option if you want somebody
47:29
Speaker 1: to hold their ground and limit, displacement which is what
47:32
Speaker 1: The bills had issues. With on the, interior he is
47:34
Speaker 1: a guy just consistently gums up the works against doubles
47:38
Speaker 1: and beats double. Teams he can, anchor he can, torque
47:42
Speaker 1: the hands and the grip strength he doesn't, lose like
47:45
Speaker 1: he doesn't lose grip of the shoulder pads or the
47:47
Speaker 1: jersey like if he goes, down he's taking you to
47:49
Speaker 1: hell with. Him you just see power and leverage and
47:52
Speaker 1: strength inside and also some fun things for. Him his
47:57
Speaker 1: eighty five inch wingspan is the second largest for any
48:00
Speaker 1: defensive tackle measured at the combine in the last three,
48:02
Speaker 1: years and his arm length is the seventh largest arm
48:06
Speaker 1: length for any defensive tackle measured in the last three,
48:08
Speaker 1: years which plays on the. Inside The bills love long,
48:11
Speaker 1: arms which is part of the reason WHY i think
48:12
Speaker 1: they would Love Derek harmon and welcome him into their
48:14
Speaker 1: open arms if he. Fell but you, mentioned you know
48:17
Speaker 1: the pass rush, piece that's the biggest detractor for. Me
48:20
Speaker 1: you just he throws this spin move where he doesn't,
48:23
Speaker 1: move he just spins in. Place it's it's horrible looking
48:26
Speaker 1: like he. Falls he just it's so bad and he's
48:29
Speaker 1: thrown it so. Much And i've watched but between Watching
48:34
Speaker 1: texas For, Collins Baron, macuba and then some Of Vernon,
48:39
Speaker 1: BROUGHTON i probably watched like nine or. TEN i pretty
48:43
Speaker 1: much watch every single game for The texas defense has
48:45
Speaker 1: played this. Year AND i can probably count on maybe
48:48
Speaker 1: one and a half hands the amount of like good
48:51
Speaker 1: pass rush Reps i've seen From collins WHERE i was,
48:53
Speaker 1: like oh, wow that's a good. Win and they do
48:55
Speaker 1: some stuff at times where you, know the odd front.
48:57
Speaker 1: Stuff they'll play him in like a four eye or
48:59
Speaker 1: they'll play a five and he's taken on a tackle
49:01
Speaker 1: and he kind of gets a bit of a long
49:03
Speaker 1: army and you're, like oh, okay but it just doesn't
49:05
Speaker 1: come to. FRUITION i don't really think there's much pass
49:08
Speaker 1: rush upside for, him but, man he's such a winner
49:12
Speaker 1: against the, run and if you can get me the
49:16
Speaker 1: REASON i like him in round. Two, again it kind
49:19
Speaker 1: of goes against their archetype a little. Bit they do
49:21
Speaker 1: want if The bills are gonna, pick, okay you're more
49:25
Speaker 1: siloed runner, pass they want to prefer they're gonna pick
49:28
Speaker 1: the pass rush silo. Like they will go For, no
49:31
Speaker 1: Not Maryland Jordan. Phillips Jordan phillips that was in THE nfl.
49:34
Speaker 1: Previously even Though Jordan phillips is, Huge he's not a run.
49:37
Speaker 1: Defender he's a pass. Rusher they'll go for. That they'll
49:39
Speaker 1: go For Quentin jefferson more than they will As bills
49:41
Speaker 1: fans Know ileanku more than the run first. Guy they'll
49:44
Speaker 1: pick the pass rush first. Guy BUT i think that
49:47
Speaker 1: philosophy might change a little. Bit and if you're telling,
49:50
Speaker 1: me LIKE i just Think Alfred collins is going to
49:51
Speaker 1: be a winner against the. RUN i don't think he's
49:53
Speaker 1: going to give you a lot against the. Pass but
49:55
Speaker 1: if you tell ME i can get a really solid
49:57
Speaker 1: rotational interior defensive lineman in the second, Round who's go
50:00
Speaker 1: to give me plus snaps against the run in a
50:03
Speaker 1: defense where teams are wanting to mash against, you in
50:06
Speaker 1: a conference where you have to play against The Baltimore
50:09
Speaker 1: ravens with regularity and all these other teams that are
50:12
Speaker 1: starting to run the ball and try and co match
50:13
Speaker 1: you a little. BIT i do Like Alfred collins a,
50:17
Speaker 1: Lot LIKE i can't shake. Him even though the pass
50:19
Speaker 1: rush game is, ugly the run defense stuff is so
50:22
Speaker 1: plus in a multitude of. Ways, again like we talked
50:26
Speaker 1: about block, recognition, length, violence, like, displacement. Limitation he ticks
50:31
Speaker 1: all these. Boxes if he had like any, Set like
50:35
Speaker 1: if he was like at least average as a pass,
50:37
Speaker 1: rusher he'd be a first round like solid guy like
50:40
Speaker 1: lock with what he is as a run, Defender like
50:42
Speaker 1: if he could just be average as a rusher, man
50:44
Speaker 1: he would be a.
50:45
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah BECAUSE i mean at six to six his,
50:48
Speaker 2: size that it's. Unique those type of players don't grow on.
50:51
Speaker 2: Trees like that's why you would bet on someone like.
50:54
Speaker 2: That that's why he's probably gonna go early day two
50:56
Speaker 2: because of that, size and teams are gonna, say, look
50:58
Speaker 2: if we can just teach you to use your hand
51:00
Speaker 2: is a bit better and stop spinning in place.
51:02
Speaker 1: Like we can spin, forward why are you stuck in?
51:06
Speaker 2: Momentum go, left go, right then spin like just figure
51:09
Speaker 2: some of these things.
51:10
Speaker 1: Out if, anything it's like it's almost harder to spin
51:13
Speaker 1: in place with the motion that he, Does, like how
51:16
Speaker 1: do you not go forward at?
51:17
Speaker 3: ALL i.
51:18
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't. Know there's a lot of these defense.
51:20
Speaker 2: Tackles that's why they stay away from the spin because
51:23
Speaker 2: unless you are a unique athlete Like darius All danner
51:27
Speaker 2: get a couple of spin, Moves i'm, like, okay we're,
51:29
Speaker 2: here we are at this point where you can do.
51:32
Speaker 2: That but a lot of a lot of guys can't
51:34
Speaker 2: do it because they don't have that feel for. It it's,
51:38
Speaker 2: yeah it's not. EASY a lot of times when you do,
51:40
Speaker 2: spin you do you don't, Move you're just you're just
51:43
Speaker 2: figuring it. Out SO i don't. Know and that's why
51:46
Speaker 2: you see a lot of, guys like the defensive ends
51:48
Speaker 2: that do. It they always come with the ice pick
51:50
Speaker 2: because that's how you judge one where you are and
51:53
Speaker 2: it gives you that added. Momentum you're just, Like, OKAY
51:56
Speaker 2: i FOUND i found the. Side that's Where i'm going
51:59
Speaker 2: for AND i can keep going. FORWARD i never see
52:02
Speaker 2: a defensive tackle do. That it's always just a spin
52:04
Speaker 2: and then he's just, like, oh oh, okay he's still.
52:07
Speaker 1: Here i'm here, Now, yeah what DO i do with
52:09
Speaker 1: My it's very much like Like Ricky, Bobby LIKE i
52:13
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with my, Hands like they
52:14
Speaker 1: hit the spin and it's, like what happens? NOW i
52:17
Speaker 1: Did phase? One now what's phase? Two oh?
52:19
Speaker 2: Man it's it's it's. Interesting i'm gonna give you a. Reach, okay,
52:24
Speaker 2: WELL i have a reach, player AND i wonder if
52:27
Speaker 2: people are gonna EVEN i don't know how to pronounce
52:29
Speaker 2: his last. Name that's part of my. Problem IT'S Jj,
52:32
Speaker 2: pegless a miss. Interesting i'm high ON. JJ i know
52:37
Speaker 2: a lot of people IF i have more than the fourth,
52:38
Speaker 2: ROUND i have a third round grade on. Him but
52:42
Speaker 2: you can do so much with, him so, much not
52:45
Speaker 2: just on the defense. Side he. Can we will give
52:48
Speaker 2: you full back, reps real full back. Reps he's a
52:53
Speaker 2: good pass, catcher he's a damn good uh pass, protector
52:57
Speaker 2: and he is a goal line. Option he SCORED i
52:59
Speaker 2: believe eight or eight touchdowns seven touchdowns last year for All.
53:02
Speaker 2: Miss so he's he's just a, fun fun. Player he's
53:07
Speaker 2: a six two and a half and three hundred and nine.
53:10
Speaker 2: Pounds so one thing you guys will find out quickly
53:13
Speaker 2: about me is THAT i can't stand watching all miss
53:15
Speaker 2: defense defensive line, SPECIFICALLY i can't stand it because you
53:20
Speaker 2: have three hundred and nine POUNDS jj playing at seven
53:25
Speaker 2: tech Or Walter nolan who is a three tech playing.
53:28
Speaker 1: Zero not to, mention they run so many like games
53:31
Speaker 1: up front that it's just like it's, bro it's everywhere
53:35
Speaker 1: we're doing but so much.
53:38
Speaker 2: It's hard to figure. Out he's not the best against double.
53:42
Speaker 2: TEAMS i will. Say while he gets his hands on,
53:45
Speaker 2: fast he doesn't have that anchor. YET i still think
53:48
Speaker 2: that he has some work to do from finding that
53:51
Speaker 2: kickstan and finding his own. Power but he gets into gaps.
53:54
Speaker 2: Quickly he's got a good first. Step he, honestly it's
53:58
Speaker 2: a great first. STEP i know you post did the
54:00
Speaker 2: clip of him doing the euro on on the left, side, ye,
54:04
Speaker 2: RIGHT i Guess jones against LSTE i was, Like, oh
54:07
Speaker 2: that's what perked me.
54:08
Speaker 1: UP i was, like, oh this is the cross.
54:11
Speaker 2: Chop what are we doing? Here you don't see guys
54:14
Speaker 2: like that with the euro cross and then be able
54:16
Speaker 2: to put his feet in the ground and get down the.
54:18
Speaker 2: Line that's. Unique SO i think that there's. Versatility there's
54:23
Speaker 2: clear pass rush. Upside he's got to work on his
54:26
Speaker 2: his conditioning and his anchor against double. Teams but again
54:31
Speaker 2: we're talking about a reach at the end of the
54:33
Speaker 2: second round or trading into the third round and taking
54:36
Speaker 2: him there because it's just a lot of.
54:38
Speaker 1: Fun you're gonna like this reference because you're wearing A
54:41
Speaker 1: Star wars. Shirt joe called Him Darth pegs the wise
54:44
Speaker 1: yes reference To Darth, plagus AND i was, like that's very.
54:47
Speaker 1: Good that's very well. Done, yeah a plus.
54:49
Speaker 2: Fantastic my entire arm loves it as. Well that's very.
54:53
Speaker 1: FAIR Jj pegways pisses me off for one. Reason initially
55:00
Speaker 1: IS i didn't realize he was doing the jersey swap.
55:04
Speaker 1: Thing so so he's as so for those who don't,
55:07
Speaker 1: know he is eighty, nine like that's his, actual you,
55:12
Speaker 1: know jersey. Number but then he is he wears number
55:18
Speaker 1: thirty eight when he's at home because he has The
55:21
Speaker 1: Chucky Mullens Courage award and it's his dad's. Number so there's,
55:24
Speaker 1: like so there were games Where i'm watching like home
55:27
Speaker 1: old miss games And i'm, like where's? Pegwis where is?
55:31
Speaker 1: It Like i'm looking AND i see that he's got
55:34
Speaker 1: like forty eight snaps this, GAME i mean the second.
55:37
Speaker 1: QUARTER i haven't seen him take anything with. It and
55:39
Speaker 1: then it was the. Game oh it was oh, OKAY
55:43
Speaker 1: i forget what game. WAS i watched so many But
55:46
Speaker 1: Ole miss is Like texas from me Between Nolan, Princely,
55:49
Speaker 1: Omama yellen Pegwist. Amos i've watched so Much Old miss
55:55
Speaker 1: that everything is a. Blur BUT i was, like thirty
55:57
Speaker 1: eight kind of moves LIKE, jj AND i looked it.
56:01
Speaker 2: Up that was?
56:03
Speaker 1: It AND i was, like AND i looked it up
56:05
Speaker 1: AND i was, like son of a. Bit SO i
56:06
Speaker 1: had to go back in all these games and look
56:08
Speaker 1: for thirty. Eight SO i had to watch twice AND
56:11
Speaker 1: i was so mad at, MYSELF i, guess but, yeah,
56:14
Speaker 1: man right. Now but the MOVEMENT i, WAS i do
56:18
Speaker 1: have more of a, like he's a guy that IF
56:22
Speaker 1: i would jump at potentially if he's there in like round,
56:25
Speaker 1: FOUR i do have more of like A day three
56:27
Speaker 1: grade on. Him but in terms of a, reach like
56:31
Speaker 1: it's not. Crazy he's got some good. Movement he flashes
56:33
Speaker 1: a spin and a couple of times an actual effective.
56:35
Speaker 1: One he's not just spinning in. Place but, yeah some
56:38
Speaker 1: of some of the movements was really. NICE i had, One,
56:43
Speaker 1: oh he's he's at. Edge it's. Funny some of my
56:46
Speaker 1: favorite reps are him playing as like a five. Tech,
56:48
Speaker 1: yeah because it's the. Game, OH i think it's Uh
56:54
Speaker 1: oumamyellen goes, out so they MOVED jj to play edge
56:58
Speaker 1: the majority of this. GAME i think it's it's Not.
57:00
Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA i can't remember the. Games they're all, mush but
57:04
Speaker 1: they run counter towards him and he just murh it's
57:08
Speaker 1: in the low red zone and he just annihilates the
57:10
Speaker 1: pulling guard plays through him and then he makes the
57:13
Speaker 1: tackle behind the line AND i was, like, oh but
57:16
Speaker 1: then you talk about conditioning and. Stuff the next play
57:19
Speaker 1: he's gassed and he just like goes like this down
57:22
Speaker 1: the line And i'm, like damn Like JERRY. J but,
57:26
Speaker 1: yeah the flashes are. Cool like he's an interesting, name for.
57:29
Speaker 2: SURE i was.
57:30
Speaker 1: MORE i literally got to him over the past couple
57:32
Speaker 1: of days AS i Finished i'd watched him in spurts
57:35
Speaker 1: and finished a little, bit AND i was, like, oh
57:37
Speaker 1: like HE i liked him a lot more THAN i
57:39
Speaker 1: THOUGHT i. Would so that's a really interesting. Name i've
57:43
Speaker 1: Got i've got a bit of a reach as, well not,
57:45
Speaker 1: MAYBE i mean maybe for some not as big or
57:47
Speaker 1: ACTUALLY i have some. Bills fans probably see this as
57:49
Speaker 1: like right in Line Joshua.
57:53
Speaker 2: Farmer, YEAH.
57:56
Speaker 1: I like, him but also like hate. Him it's just
58:01
Speaker 1: the WEIRDEST i describe him in AND i mean this
58:03
Speaker 1: in a positive but also as a negative at. Times
58:07
Speaker 1: he's if you just put long arms on a battering.
58:09
Speaker 1: Ram that is What Joshua farmer. Is AND i mean
58:13
Speaker 1: this literally for, everybody like he is a straight, line linear.
58:16
Speaker 1: Player for everybody thinking of a battering, ram think A
58:19
Speaker 1: lord of The rings the second one and The orcs
58:21
Speaker 1: are trying to bash down the door To Helm's. Deep
58:24
Speaker 1: they just take the batter. Ram they swing it back
58:26
Speaker 1: and boom and back and. Forth that Is Joshua. Farmer
58:29
Speaker 1: he's just up and, down straight, line back and. Forth
58:32
Speaker 1: but now the power and the pop and the explosion
58:37
Speaker 1: when he goes forward man, like there is literal juice to,
58:42
Speaker 1: him and then he flashes some lateral, Explosion like he'll
58:45
Speaker 1: take that large, step he can kind of jump one
58:48
Speaker 1: gap a little, bit and then he'll dip and rip
58:50
Speaker 1: through and power a little. Bit so he's got a
58:51
Speaker 1: little bit of lateral explosion to, him but just the,
58:55
Speaker 1: vertical straight line upfield power and juice on the snap is.
59:00
Speaker 1: Beautiful and he'll literally just fling himself into double. Teams
59:05
Speaker 1: and he's got the long. ARMS i like him to
59:07
Speaker 1: use them a bit more, efficiently especially as a. RUSHER
59:10
Speaker 1: i feel like he lacks transitions and moves as a.
59:12
Speaker 1: Rusher and there's games, where you, KNOW i let off
59:16
Speaker 1: for him Watching clemson And Notre dame AND i was just, like,
59:22
Speaker 1: MAN i don't see anything with this. Guy he had
59:23
Speaker 1: a couple and THEN i Watched Georgia tech and he
59:25
Speaker 1: had like a couple plays Against Georgia. Tech BUT i was, like,
59:27
Speaker 1: Man i'm not seeing. It AND i kept seeing a
59:29
Speaker 1: lot of people give love for, him and THEN i
59:31
Speaker 1: got to like The North carolina, game AND i forget
59:34
Speaker 1: what ELSE i SO i was, Like, OKAY i started
59:35
Speaker 1: to see like a little bit more, here and he's
59:36
Speaker 1: got some nice rushes off the edge, too AND i was, Like,
59:38
Speaker 1: okay start to see it a little. Bit BUT i
59:41
Speaker 1: think he's he's another. One WHEN i feel like he's
59:44
Speaker 1: in like a limited or like a siloed, ROLE i
59:46
Speaker 1: feel like he's a better pass rusher Than Alfred, collins
59:50
Speaker 1: BUT i or more effective pass, RUSHER i should, say
59:52
Speaker 1: BUT i don't think he's as good of a run.
59:54
Speaker 1: Defender and he you, know we're talking about basses. Earlier
59:57
Speaker 1: he plays with a very narrow Bas there's times where
1:00:00
Speaker 1: his length and lean gives him leverage and he's good
1:00:03
Speaker 1: and he's not, moving and then there's other times where
1:00:05
Speaker 1: he's getting knocked down like three, gaps like he's in
1:00:08
Speaker 1: THE a and he gets pushed to like the far
1:00:10
Speaker 1: side seat and he's just out and it sometimes not even,
1:00:13
Speaker 1: doubles it's just. SINGLES i do have more of like
1:00:16
Speaker 1: a three to a four grade on. Him i'm actually
1:00:19
Speaker 1: pulling up in my notes right. Now what DO i
1:00:21
Speaker 1: have On, YEAH i have a a late three to a,
1:00:24
Speaker 1: four just because there were some things that that WHAT
1:00:25
Speaker 1: i mentioned THAT i didn't. Like but he's a guy, that,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: like if you're if you really need a defensive, TACKLE
1:00:31
Speaker 1: i don't hate them taking him, there but if he's
1:00:34
Speaker 1: your best, OPTION i would rather wait till round. Four
1:00:37
Speaker 1: based on some of the NAMES i think that will be,
1:00:40
Speaker 1: there BUT i Think farmer's a really interesting one for a.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: Reach Peg west is a really interesting one, too in
1:00:46
Speaker 1: terms of, again like do you do you, okay screw,
1:00:50
Speaker 1: it we'll we'll hope that there's someone there at, four
1:00:53
Speaker 1: or do you cause this is a position of, need
1:00:56
Speaker 1: not just With Daikwon jones getting long in the tooth
1:00:58
Speaker 1: And dake And Dwayne carter by a bit of a question,
1:01:00
Speaker 1: mark But Ogain jobey suspended for those first six, games
1:01:03
Speaker 1: like And Ogen jobey's only on a one, year so
1:01:06
Speaker 1: you need somebody for twenty twenty five and twenty twenty.
1:01:09
Speaker 1: Six so this is a position in. Need so do you?
1:01:11
Speaker 1: Reach do you play the? GAME i think there's some
1:01:15
Speaker 1: interesting names here that might creep into the back end
1:01:18
Speaker 1: of round two here for The, bills and maybe some
1:01:19
Speaker 1: for other teams as.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Well, yeah who. KNOWS i mean IF i have a
1:01:22
Speaker 2: fourth round bread end farmer as. WELL i liked WHAT
1:01:25
Speaker 2: i saw from again the linear, examples like he gets
1:01:29
Speaker 2: off the ball extremely. Well, YEAH i thought his lateral
1:01:32
Speaker 2: anchor was a, Problem like he got moved down the
1:01:34
Speaker 2: line far too. Much LIKE i think it's that narrow
1:01:36
Speaker 2: base because his feed are so close. Together he can't
1:01:38
Speaker 2: like he can't. Stop he starts getting push. Sideways it's
1:01:40
Speaker 2: over and once he gets those hands on guys in
1:01:42
Speaker 2: front of, Him he's, like, yeah you're. MINE i can do.
1:01:45
Speaker 2: This but is he's trying to move laterally because like you,
1:01:48
Speaker 2: said he does have that INITIAL i even put it
1:01:50
Speaker 2: in my, notes like he's got good lateral. Quickness then
1:01:53
Speaker 2: once he gets, there he doesn't know what to. Do,
1:01:56
Speaker 2: yeah like he just gets he just gets upended far
1:01:58
Speaker 2: too easy from those. Spots AND i, agree is if
1:02:01
Speaker 2: past rush, guy he could be a gap Shooter like
1:02:03
Speaker 2: that's he's pretty good at finding those, spots but just
1:02:07
Speaker 2: still some things he needs to work. On like there
1:02:10
Speaker 2: was a defensive tackle out Of alabama a few years
1:02:13
Speaker 2: ago who would kind of reminded me of. THIS i
1:02:15
Speaker 2: forget his, NAME i don't, know it doesn't it doesn't
1:02:18
Speaker 2: matter at this. Point but he was awesome one on,
1:02:20
Speaker 2: one like just, awesome just dominated guys one on, one double.
1:02:23
Speaker 2: Teams doneline you started to see he get a. Problem
1:02:25
Speaker 2: Joshua farmer is kind of the. Same SO i think
1:02:27
Speaker 2: that he's probably going to be A day three. Player but, overall,
1:02:30
Speaker 2: again if you are needing that type of uh of
1:02:34
Speaker 2: a player reaching in the in the end of the
1:02:36
Speaker 2: second or again maybe trading back into the third. Round
1:02:39
Speaker 2: get someone like that does make a lot of sense
1:02:41
Speaker 2: for this for not just the, bills but lots of.
1:02:43
Speaker 1: Teams and he fits more of, like, okay like what
1:02:47
Speaker 1: he can do on the, interior he fits more of their,
1:02:49
Speaker 1: archetype like has that upfield penetration, juice like can do
1:02:52
Speaker 1: enough against the, run like that's kind of what they gravitate.
1:02:54
Speaker 1: Towards and he's got he's got some flashes where like
1:02:58
Speaker 1: he times the snaps so well plus his, juice and
1:03:02
Speaker 1: he fights through a double team like He's King. Kong
1:03:04
Speaker 1: like he's in the a gap just murdering guards and
1:03:06
Speaker 1: centers and you're, like, oh and then with the long,
1:03:08
Speaker 1: arms it's even. Better And i'm, like, oh. Okay and
1:03:11
Speaker 1: Then i'm watching him get pinned, on you, know a
1:03:14
Speaker 1: down block on three consecutive gap scheme runs AND i
1:03:16
Speaker 1: want to throw my computer through the window just because
1:03:19
Speaker 1: he can't do anything about. It, yeah he's a really
1:03:23
Speaker 1: he's an interesting. ONE i think he fits their, archetype
1:03:25
Speaker 1: which is WHY i could see them like potentially being
1:03:28
Speaker 1: kind of a fan of. His one last, PIECE i
1:03:32
Speaker 1: wanted to mention it you mentioned, someone BUT i want
1:03:33
Speaker 1: to put into percentile perspective For Alfred collins ninety fourth
1:03:38
Speaker 1: percentile for, height ninety second percentile for, weight ninety seventh
1:03:43
Speaker 1: percentile for, wingspan and ninetieth percentile for arm. LENGTH i
1:03:47
Speaker 1: just find that so. Ridiculous they don't make them like.
1:03:51
Speaker 2: That that's. Nuts that's absolutely, insane.
1:03:54
Speaker 1: Nineties at all of. Them but it's just it's just so.
1:03:57
Speaker 1: Crazy it's just so.
1:03:58
Speaker 2: Fun does a pass rusher man give me?
1:04:01
Speaker 1: Something, no just one, man just one like even just
1:04:05
Speaker 1: not guys. Back just give me some speed to. Power
1:04:07
Speaker 1: just use your long arms and push a guy back
1:04:09
Speaker 1: like four yards one. Time just do, Me just give me.
1:04:11
Speaker 1: That just be, LIKE i don't need you to be
1:04:13
Speaker 1: even a five out of. Ten just be like like
1:04:15
Speaker 1: a three and a half or a. Four just stop
1:04:16
Speaker 1: being like a one and a, half please, Please. Alfred,
1:04:20
Speaker 1: yeah anybody else on your? Mind or, yeah you're gonna
1:04:23
Speaker 1: go here in the?
1:04:23
Speaker 2: ROUND i Think i'm good to. GO i mean you
1:04:25
Speaker 2: probably you guys probably heard a number of other players,
1:04:28
Speaker 2: too but we'll get INTO i think day, three this
1:04:30
Speaker 2: is this is there's a lot of guys THAT i
1:04:33
Speaker 2: like that maybe you haven't heard.
1:04:34
Speaker 1: Of that's fair last one real quick THAT i know
1:04:39
Speaker 1: some people like. HIM i like him as, well BUT
1:04:41
Speaker 1: i just don't think he's a fit out at this.
1:04:42
Speaker 1: Point once the before The bill Signed Ogun jobey T
1:04:44
Speaker 1: J sanders would have been more of a target for
1:04:46
Speaker 1: me here in this. Spot but once they're, signed once
1:04:49
Speaker 1: they sign him and they do want more of a
1:04:51
Speaker 1: one tech, PIECE i just don't Think sanders fits that.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: Mold he's got some really great flashes AND i like
1:04:57
Speaker 1: what he, does but if they didn't Have Ogen, jobe
1:04:58
Speaker 1: he would be a target or me in this. Spot
1:05:01
Speaker 1: but he's a guy, where oh you need more of
1:05:04
Speaker 1: like a one tech type of. FIT i don't Think
1:05:06
Speaker 1: sanders is your GUY i need to put to The
1:05:08
Speaker 1: bill's credit OR i don't, know maybe DETRIMENT i. GUESS
1:05:11
Speaker 1: i don't think they'd be scared at playing because that's
1:05:15
Speaker 1: what they like to. Do but, yeah that's part of
1:05:17
Speaker 1: the reason WHY i didn't mention you. Here but because
1:05:19
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's in my top ten defensive tackles
1:05:21
Speaker 1: AND i like. It BUT i JUST i just wrote
1:05:22
Speaker 1: once these guys to know With, JOBEY i was, LIKE
1:05:24
Speaker 1: i don't it doesn't make sense.
1:05:25
Speaker 2: Anymore, YEAH i got a third round on, him so
1:05:27
Speaker 2: he's he's there as well in that. Bucket it's, just,
1:05:29
Speaker 2: dude you need to be better against the run like, this,
1:05:33
Speaker 2: DUDE i love. AGAIN i love the first step. EXPLOSIVENESS
1:05:35
Speaker 2: i love the physicality that he plays. WITH i think
1:05:37
Speaker 2: he's a good pass rusher even even can get better
1:05:40
Speaker 2: at that to some. Degree but he just again just
1:05:44
Speaker 2: it's straight, up it's straight, up and you just he gets.
1:05:47
Speaker 1: Moved, yes just.
1:05:49
Speaker 2: Moved, Yes LIKE i. CAN'T i can't do.
1:05:51
Speaker 1: That that's my biggest. Thing that's my biggest thing with the,
1:05:53
Speaker 1: Bills LIKE i just they need somebody who will not get, moved,
1:05:57
Speaker 1: like they need somebody who will not get. Displaced that's. It,
1:06:00
Speaker 1: like that's the biggest. Thing and so even IF i
1:06:02
Speaker 1: see somebody WHO i love ninety nine snaps in a
1:06:05
Speaker 1: row and then on that one hundred they get displaced,
1:06:07
Speaker 1: horribly even, that even though the sample sized, dwarfs And i'm,
1:06:10
Speaker 1: like oh, no like, exactly but let alone with someone
1:06:15
Speaker 1: For sanders who that happens two. More SO i know
1:06:17
Speaker 1: he's a target for some folks and he still might
1:06:20
Speaker 1: be for. Them but, Yeah i'm not knocking him on this.
1:06:24
Speaker 1: One all, Right let's get into some day three targets
1:06:27
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle for The. Bills these could be guys
1:06:30
Speaker 1: that we think fit in round four or maybe late
1:06:33
Speaker 1: on day three offer some usefulness in some form or.
1:06:36
Speaker 1: Fashion i'm excited for you to mention some guys that
1:06:38
Speaker 1: you are wondering if people are going to know the names.
1:06:40
Speaker 2: Of So i'm.
1:06:40
Speaker 1: Excited feel free to if you want to list them
1:06:42
Speaker 1: all and talk them all, about you, know in a,
1:06:45
Speaker 1: group or if you want to do one by, one
1:06:47
Speaker 1: however you want to go to the, floor is?
1:06:48
Speaker 2: Yours? Yeah? Man this is. Again this is a lot
1:06:50
Speaker 2: of fun because as we work through, again we watch
1:06:55
Speaker 2: a lot of different. Players but there's one guy That
1:06:58
Speaker 2: i've just been for whatever reason AND i keep finding
1:07:03
Speaker 2: nobody else high on, him And Tim smith out Of
1:07:06
Speaker 2: alabama might be one of, them like just one of my,
1:07:09
Speaker 2: Guys LIKE i JUST i love watching him play because
1:07:12
Speaker 2: he's he's Not he's not gonna shed blocks very. Quickly
1:07:15
Speaker 2: he's just not going. To but what he does in
1:07:20
Speaker 2: vertically displacing offensive linemen every single game that you watch has.
1:07:24
Speaker 2: Value if you're constantly putting guards and tackles and centers
1:07:29
Speaker 2: in the lap of ball, carriers guys can make plays.
1:07:32
Speaker 2: Like that's what he. Does he's like a lynchpin for
1:07:34
Speaker 2: a defense where linebackers can flow up behind, him safeties
1:07:37
Speaker 2: can come flying through because he's getting real vertical displacement
1:07:41
Speaker 2: and when you have that, ability it's something that's really
1:07:45
Speaker 2: valuable for a. Defense and he's just so. Physical he
1:07:48
Speaker 2: plays with fantastic pad, level and he has a good
1:07:51
Speaker 2: anchor as. Well he's just he's a two down, guy
1:07:55
Speaker 2: which again who. Cares he's a former defensive end, too
1:07:57
Speaker 2: former like four star player At. Alabama that all they
1:08:00
Speaker 2: do is bring in, athletes AND i think he's a decent.
1:08:04
Speaker 2: ATHLETE i don't think he's a great, athlete but he's
1:08:06
Speaker 2: not going to get into gaps and then be a backfield.
1:08:10
Speaker 2: Presence what he's going to do is going to take
1:08:12
Speaker 2: blocks back or eat blocks and make guys. Clean so
1:08:17
Speaker 2: on day, three this is a guy specifically tailored to
1:08:21
Speaker 2: help your second level and third levels get in the
1:08:23
Speaker 2: backfield against the run and then at the at the very,
1:08:26
Speaker 2: LEAST i, mean that's that's what he brings. You, like
1:08:29
Speaker 2: if that's it on day, three we're. Good we're. Happy
1:08:32
Speaker 2: we don't have to worry about past rush upside here
1:08:34
Speaker 2: for a guy who's again a, senior doesn't have a
1:08:36
Speaker 2: ton of, production but the physical, TRAITS i think there
1:08:41
Speaker 2: was A i THINK i actually. DO i have a
1:08:43
Speaker 2: clip up on him pass rushing Against Will campbell and
1:08:47
Speaker 2: beating him like it just like just some random things
1:08:52
Speaker 2: that just don't make, sense like it just he's got
1:08:55
Speaker 2: something to him AND i might just like that kind of.
1:08:58
Speaker 2: Player Another i'm gonna have two kind of, tweeners, okay
1:09:03
Speaker 2: Because i'm sure they were mentioned on defensive end, groups
1:09:06
Speaker 2: BUT i think both of them probably end up playing
1:09:08
Speaker 2: closer to threes maybe four eyes in THE. Nfl, again
1:09:12
Speaker 2: maybe not Necessarily bill's, fits but if you talk about
1:09:15
Speaker 2: guys that are typically, Undersized Saveon jones AT lsu is
1:09:19
Speaker 2: one of my, favorite like two. Ninety maybe you can
1:09:22
Speaker 2: get him up to three hundred pounds and you can
1:09:24
Speaker 2: see what you do with. Him just physical, dog do
1:09:28
Speaker 2: whatever you, want like he, doesn't he doesn't. Care he'll
1:09:30
Speaker 2: put his face in against double. Teams he will rush
1:09:33
Speaker 2: from one all the way. Out, again he's an, edge
1:09:35
Speaker 2: but he looks. Bigger he's got some decent athleticism to.
1:09:38
Speaker 2: Him the motor runs really really. Hot he's, long he's.
1:09:41
Speaker 2: Big like still, again there's a lot of upside there with,
1:09:44
Speaker 2: him but you might never get to that point so
1:09:47
Speaker 2: that you always have to try and figure that. Out
1:09:50
Speaker 2: then who is the other guy THAT i was Gonna
1:09:53
Speaker 2: he's a little bit on the lighter, side so this
1:09:55
Speaker 2: might not actually. Work but Tyron Ingram dawkins out Of
1:09:58
Speaker 2: georgia is a fun player as, well but strictly defensive. Tackles,
1:10:04
Speaker 2: okay you said, IT i said it. Earlier Jamar caldwell
1:10:08
Speaker 2: might be my favorite player in day on day, THREE
1:10:11
Speaker 2: i would probably take him in the third. Round that's.
1:10:13
Speaker 2: OKAY i Love Jamar. Caldwell and he's again in That Kenneth,
1:10:19
Speaker 2: grant why are you moving the way that you're? Moving?
1:10:22
Speaker 2: Guy and then even though he's probably gonna have some
1:10:26
Speaker 2: early concerns with, conditioning he doesn't play like. It he
1:10:29
Speaker 2: gets down the, line he will run like you see
1:10:33
Speaker 2: some of these guys LIKE. Cj west or Even Darius,
1:10:35
Speaker 2: alexander who are big, guys but they're not giving you
1:10:38
Speaker 2: there all all the. Time you're not gonna have that.
1:10:41
Speaker 1: Question would you Call caldwell plays one hundred miles an
1:10:43
Speaker 1: hour one hundred percent of the. Time man at three pounds.
1:10:48
Speaker 2: And he probably lost weight going to the. Combine he
1:10:51
Speaker 2: was probably closer to three point. FORTY i LOVE i
1:10:55
Speaker 2: JUST i love. HIM i think that he's got real
1:10:57
Speaker 2: first step quickness and he doesn't doesn't get. Displaced he,
1:11:01
Speaker 2: doesn't he. Won't and that's why they were so comfortable
1:11:04
Speaker 2: Playing Derek harmont at three and, five because, hey we
1:11:08
Speaker 2: have a guy who can just eat blocks all day
1:11:10
Speaker 2: long and you can do whatever you need to, do
1:11:11
Speaker 2: so you. Have and by the, way back to The harmon,
1:11:15
Speaker 2: stuff everyone talks about his getting in the. BACKFIELD i
1:11:20
Speaker 2: didn't think he was overly special getting in the Backfield.
1:11:23
Speaker 1: HARMON i.
1:11:23
Speaker 2: Didn't, YEAH i didn't think He you know what's.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: Funny you mentioned THEN i. Forgot one of my biggest
1:11:28
Speaker 1: knocks Against harmon is he's more of a disruptor than the.
1:11:32
Speaker 1: Finisher LIKE i see him, Like i'm, like, oh he
1:11:35
Speaker 1: does start a play and Then i'm, like, Oh i'm,
1:11:38
Speaker 1: like oh this is here comes the Big oh, no,
1:11:40
Speaker 1: no it's not falls off a lots of, tackles falls
1:11:42
Speaker 1: off on running, backs on, quarterbacks like for being like the,
1:11:46
Speaker 1: long strong kind of. Guy and then, yeah LIKE I
1:11:49
Speaker 1: i don't know If this is me seeing kind of
1:11:53
Speaker 1: the numbers and, thinking, okay LIKE i am putting a
1:11:58
Speaker 1: pulling up his sea sure, now like because you, know per,
1:12:01
Speaker 1: pff he's got fifty five pressures on the, year and
1:12:03
Speaker 1: you hear about LIKE i was leading the league and
1:12:06
Speaker 1: this and that in college in N c DOUBLE. A
1:12:08
Speaker 1: but to your, point, yeah LIKE i GUESS i just, expected,
1:12:10
Speaker 1: man this guy's always going to be living in the
1:12:11
Speaker 1: backfield and penetration and making plays and HE i FELT
1:12:16
Speaker 1: i like, him and again he's my defensive tackle, too
1:12:18
Speaker 1: BUT i felt underwhelmed at times WHEN i didn't expect
1:12:22
Speaker 1: to given the BECAUSE i start with the metrics and
1:12:25
Speaker 1: then go for go for the film to kind of
1:12:28
Speaker 1: shape me a little. Bit and, YEAH i think that's
1:12:29
Speaker 1: a fair. Point actually it.
1:12:31
Speaker 2: WAS i recently just cross checked him, again LIKE i
1:12:34
Speaker 2: just did the cross check for, it AND i watched
1:12:36
Speaker 2: the last four games of the, season like the ones
1:12:38
Speaker 2: where THEYRE i went.
1:12:38
Speaker 1: BACK i went back On monday and watched him again.
1:12:40
Speaker 2: Too that's.
1:12:40
Speaker 1: Funny, Yeah So.
1:12:42
Speaker 2: I'm, like where is? It? Where where is? It and
1:12:45
Speaker 2: AGAIN i like. HIM i really believe he's gonna a good.
1:12:47
Speaker 2: Player but that's getting off the off the off off
1:12:50
Speaker 2: the rails. Here Jomran callwell is maybe one of my. Favorite,
1:12:53
Speaker 2: AGAIN i watched him Against michigan WHILE i was Watching
1:12:55
Speaker 2: harmon for a video earlier this, year And i'm just,
1:12:57
Speaker 2: like that's the GUY i like.
1:13:00
Speaker 1: To play Against. Michigan granted it's into the boundary where
1:13:04
Speaker 1: they Put orgy in and he gets down the. Run
1:13:08
Speaker 1: he Forced orgy out of, balance AND i was, like
1:13:11
Speaker 1: IF i had a like a, stamp like a, NOTARY
1:13:13
Speaker 1: i would have been, like, bang he gets, It Like
1:13:15
Speaker 1: i'm in for this. Guy LIKE i was Just orgy
1:13:18
Speaker 1: can move. Man and again it was into the, boundary
1:13:21
Speaker 1: but he got down the. Line he recognized that the
1:13:24
Speaker 1: keep on the read and he got to him AND
1:13:26
Speaker 1: i was, like holy, Hell like that sold.
1:13:28
Speaker 2: Me and that's the, thing like HE'S i love the
1:13:31
Speaker 2: effort that he plays with and he's my biggest gripe
1:13:34
Speaker 2: is that he's. Unbalanced that's really it falls. Down he
1:13:38
Speaker 2: gets when he's, moving you, know you see you start
1:13:41
Speaker 2: to see. It you start to see him just kind
1:13:42
Speaker 2: of tip.
1:13:43
Speaker 1: Over and because he's a little top, heavy he's he's
1:13:45
Speaker 1: listed at three thirty. Two i'd like to see. Him
1:13:48
Speaker 1: could you be like three twenty.
1:13:50
Speaker 2: Two at six, two again with being top heavy and
1:13:53
Speaker 2: not necessarily having it all in the pants as you
1:13:56
Speaker 2: probably need. To he's a bit two, round so again
1:13:59
Speaker 2: he needs shift maybe some of that, down maybe just
1:14:02
Speaker 2: ten of, it like, fine ten pounds.
1:14:04
Speaker 1: Added to the.
1:14:04
Speaker 2: Legs you can final. It my comp for.
1:14:07
Speaker 1: Him you remember Bj rogi for the, Packers, yes oh,
1:14:11
Speaker 1: yeah he's like reverse Bj, rogi where if you took
1:14:14
Speaker 1: a little out of the pants from Bj rogi and
1:14:16
Speaker 1: put it more into the upper part Of Jamari. Caldwell,
1:14:19
Speaker 1: like that's what it is, like AND i can't get that.
1:14:21
Speaker 1: Comp plus they both wore ninety and so like that
1:14:25
Speaker 1: kind of sticks in my. Mind oh that's. Funny, yeah
1:14:27
Speaker 1: yeah he. Does you can see he like he's, motoring
1:14:30
Speaker 1: but it is also, yeah like he's teetering as he.
1:14:32
Speaker 2: Frunts it's it's it's an unfortunate. Thing like you see
1:14:36
Speaker 2: some guys that they need sand in the. Pants he
1:14:37
Speaker 2: doesn't need sand in the. Pants he's. Weight he just
1:14:40
Speaker 2: weight because he's already a really good run, Defender like
1:14:42
Speaker 2: he doesn't need that technique. Stuff it's all just we
1:14:46
Speaker 2: gotta move, this we gotta move it down a little
1:14:48
Speaker 2: bit because you're just you're running and you're falling. Over
1:14:51
Speaker 2: so he's a good a good. One and THEN i
1:14:53
Speaker 2: think one of the other guys that is probably under
1:14:57
Speaker 2: discussed Is Warren Brinson Defense Attack go out Of. Georgia
1:15:01
Speaker 2: six fifteen, pounds thirty three plus inch, arms ten inch.
1:15:04
Speaker 2: Hands he's one gap kind of. Guy you're not gonna
1:15:08
Speaker 2: have two, gaps which is fine FOR i believe for The,
1:15:10
Speaker 2: bills you don't need him to run two. Gaps but
1:15:13
Speaker 2: good first step, quickness he plays with good pad. LEVEL
1:15:18
Speaker 2: i think he does a nice job of getting his
1:15:20
Speaker 2: body into gaps. Right so again we talked earlier about
1:15:23
Speaker 2: how you want to force double teams to kind of
1:15:25
Speaker 2: turn their body to. YOU i think he does a
1:15:27
Speaker 2: good job of doing. That and then he's able to
1:15:30
Speaker 2: kind of like bull rush a little. BIT i, mean
1:15:33
Speaker 2: maybe not necessarily the best pass. Rusher, again this is
1:15:35
Speaker 2: more of a pure run stuff for, first with his
1:15:38
Speaker 2: size and then the physical tools he has with his
1:15:40
Speaker 2: hands and long. Arms so a guy who can give
1:15:43
Speaker 2: you some of that first second run down, stuff but
1:15:45
Speaker 2: he's more of a pocket collaps or as a pass
1:15:47
Speaker 2: rusher if he's out. There but, OVERALL i think that
1:15:50
Speaker 2: what he's able to do from giving you a little
1:15:54
Speaker 2: bit more hand usage maybe and then the physical tools
1:15:57
Speaker 2: with the, length and AGAIN i think he's a good athlete,
1:15:59
Speaker 2: too so there's still more upside. There, again we talk
1:16:02
Speaker 2: ABOUT sec Teams, Georgia TEXAS a and M. Alabama these
1:16:06
Speaker 2: guys bring in athletes and never develop them. Ever, ever
1:16:11
Speaker 2: Like Michael williams you talked about, it look at what
1:16:13
Speaker 2: we've seen With Treyvon. Walker he's just now getting to
1:16:17
Speaker 2: scratch the surface and they have to pay. Him, like
1:16:21
Speaker 2: So brinson's gonna be A day three guy for, Me
1:16:25
Speaker 2: and again that if he ends up scratching, anything you're, like,
1:16:28
Speaker 2: yes that's, awesome that's.
1:16:32
Speaker 1: Fair, yeah that's a. Win that's also a good point
1:16:34
Speaker 1: like thing to put into perspective as, Well LIKE i
1:16:37
Speaker 1: and maybe The bills has been like a little, spoiled
1:16:39
Speaker 1: but Like Khalil shakir was A day three guy And
1:16:41
Speaker 1: Christian benford was A day three. Guy like those are tremendous.
1:16:44
Speaker 1: Hits but usually like if you can just get A
1:16:46
Speaker 1: day three guy to be like on your depth chart
1:16:50
Speaker 1: positively for like three or four years or for the
1:16:52
Speaker 1: life cycle of his, contract that's a huge. Win or
1:16:54
Speaker 1: if you get A day three guy who's like a
1:16:55
Speaker 1: good special, teamer like that's a. Win so if you
1:16:57
Speaker 1: can get somebody who's like an actual rotational or role
1:17:00
Speaker 1: player on offense or, defense that's a. Win AND i, like,
1:17:05
Speaker 1: yeah like the guys you, TABBED i like the roles
1:17:08
Speaker 1: and the fit and oh NOW i kind Of i'll you,
1:17:12
Speaker 1: Know i'll start with just a. Piggyback i'll start With
1:17:15
Speaker 1: jamari Carl. WELL i don't have too much BAD i
1:17:17
Speaker 1: just love, him LIKE i. Man and there's some really
1:17:20
Speaker 1: cool reps with him And Derek, harmon like dropping the
1:17:23
Speaker 1: knee in unison against, doubles like just hands knee and
1:17:27
Speaker 1: it's just, like, oh it's so pretty to. Watch he
1:17:30
Speaker 1: plays a good pad. Level he's consistently getting under offensive
1:17:33
Speaker 1: lineman AND i the THING i used to just phrase
1:17:36
Speaker 1: him up is he just makes life hard for offensive.
1:17:39
Speaker 1: Linemen he battles with his hands with, Leverage he gums
1:17:43
Speaker 1: up double. Teams we talked about he can drop the.
1:17:45
Speaker 1: KNEE i, like how you, know we talked about guys
1:17:48
Speaker 1: getting washed down Like farmer a little bit with the narrow.
1:17:50
Speaker 1: Base WHAT i, like the ball Called well is not
1:17:53
Speaker 1: all the. Time but he's flashes is. Enough he's able
1:17:56
Speaker 1: to reduce his surface area on the move and he
1:17:58
Speaker 1: can settle vers zone. Runs if he's starting to get washed,
1:18:00
Speaker 1: down he can change his body and momentum and like
1:18:03
Speaker 1: keep playing his feet and then split him and get
1:18:05
Speaker 1: back and making an effort Him like OH i like,
1:18:06
Speaker 1: That like you're not just getting Washed especially for a
1:18:09
Speaker 1: guy who is more top, HEAVY i expect to be, like,
1:18:12
Speaker 1: oh you're not gonna be able to have like that
1:18:14
Speaker 1: that like the sideways anchor to be able to stop
1:18:16
Speaker 1: your momentum, maybe and he is active hands on the block. Recognition,
1:18:22
Speaker 1: yeah there's JUST i kept going back And oregon was
1:18:26
Speaker 1: one of those teams between watching For, harmon Watching birch
1:18:30
Speaker 1: and then Watching callwell or then watching teams that were
1:18:32
Speaker 1: playing Against, oregon my eyes somehow just kept, like, oh
1:18:36
Speaker 1: there goes ninety doing something sweet like, Oh i'm WATCHING
1:18:40
Speaker 1: i want to see You askton genty Against. OREGON i
1:18:42
Speaker 1: keep Watching Jamari callwell because he keeps doing something sweet
1:18:45
Speaker 1: like just what he does the short ARMS i think
1:18:48
Speaker 1: will limit him a bit at the tackle, point and
1:18:50
Speaker 1: you know in terms of getting sacks as, well but
1:18:53
Speaker 1: out of a lot of the guys WHO i like
1:18:54
Speaker 1: on day three at defensive tackle have shorter.
1:18:56
Speaker 2: Arms he has the longest out of all of, them.
1:18:58
Speaker 1: Thirty two inch, arms which is, percentile so kind of
1:19:01
Speaker 1: put that in perspective for the defensive. Tackles i'm gravitating
1:19:03
Speaker 1: towards here That Jamari caldwell has the longest arms in
1:19:06
Speaker 1: the twelve, percentile so kind of put that. There but,
1:19:09
Speaker 1: yeah just a fun, guy, juice, effort, hustle gums up the.
1:19:13
Speaker 1: Works like if you can get me a guy on
1:19:15
Speaker 1: day three that will consistently be a pain in the
1:19:17
Speaker 1: ass for the opponent to play, Against i'm fine with.
1:19:20
Speaker 1: That and he's a pain in the ass on the
1:19:21
Speaker 1: interior AND i mean that the best way. Possible so,
1:19:24
Speaker 1: yeah starting with. Him another one WHO i, LIKE i
1:19:28
Speaker 1: don't like as much As, calledwell but the, FLASHES i
1:19:31
Speaker 1: just can't shake, him and especially at the, Size Jay
1:19:34
Speaker 1: toya FROM ucla six, two three hundred and forty two,
1:19:39
Speaker 1: pounds but he moves so much better than.
1:19:42
Speaker 2: That i'm really upset THAT i didn't say his name like.
1:19:46
Speaker 2: THAT I i BECAUSE i grated him earlier in the.
1:19:48
Speaker 2: Season and again this is this in the, Summer LIKE
1:19:53
Speaker 2: i liked him in the. Summer you, See i'm, like
1:19:54
Speaker 2: why is this guy not even being talked? About, well
1:19:57
Speaker 2: because he's not a he's not a pass. Rusher he's
1:19:59
Speaker 2: he's not gonna do. It but, yeah go, ahead go.
1:20:00
Speaker 4: Ahead he uh.
1:20:02
Speaker 1: Former rugby, player WHICH i like BECAUSE i played. Rugby
1:20:05
Speaker 1: and it shows with his, athleticism like you, see like
1:20:07
Speaker 1: he moves well for his, size good, athleticism good movement
1:20:11
Speaker 1: for his. SIZE a couple of really good reps to
1:20:13
Speaker 1: kind of show what he. Is the way he like
1:20:16
Speaker 1: chases down, screens like he gets, upfield he can put
1:20:19
Speaker 1: his foot in the, ground turn and then like a
1:20:21
Speaker 1: short area burst up field against a tunnel screen to
1:20:25
Speaker 1: like get down wide receivers good get. Off needs to
1:20:29
Speaker 1: improve his blocking scheme recognition AND i put you know
1:20:32
Speaker 1: as an, example and needs to read slash field doubles
1:20:34
Speaker 1: and drop the knee or anchor better and or more
1:20:37
Speaker 1: timely and not get washed down or split zone. Runs
1:20:40
Speaker 1: he also has shorter. Arms OH i lied about His
1:20:44
Speaker 1: his arms are longer than. Called he's in the twenty
1:20:46
Speaker 1: fifth percentile for armlengs win for. Toy, yeah there you,
1:20:49
Speaker 1: go but just explosion on the snap to generate displacement
1:20:53
Speaker 1: and knock back and just a big body dude who's
1:20:57
Speaker 1: got some hand usage and some violence. Inside he's a
1:21:01
Speaker 1: GUY i think you could get like If i'm almost
1:21:05
Speaker 1: to the point of if they don't get one of
1:21:09
Speaker 1: the first round guys we talked, about and then if
1:21:11
Speaker 1: Like Darius alexander or our second round guys Like art
1:21:16
Speaker 1: there aside from the, Reaches i'm almost cool like waiting
1:21:20
Speaker 1: until round four and then going For caldwell or maybe
1:21:24
Speaker 1: your second fourth round er and you Get toya or
1:21:26
Speaker 1: something like, that just because of how they play AND
1:21:28
Speaker 1: i think they would fit a. Role is it going
1:21:29
Speaker 1: to be a? Nitroll? Yes is it a useful one
1:21:32
Speaker 1: and valuable one in my? Estimation? Yes and so that's
1:21:34
Speaker 1: kind of where my head is at. There so J
1:21:36
Speaker 1: toya is somebody WHO i. Like along With. Caldwell this
1:21:42
Speaker 1: is someone WHO i came across recently and AS i
1:21:46
Speaker 1: was watching For Omar Norman lot And James, pierce WHO
1:21:51
Speaker 1: i wasn't really too big of a fan of. Either
1:21:53
Speaker 1: Guy Elijah simmons number ten For tennessee just again late
1:21:59
Speaker 1: late day. Guy he's somebody, like, okay take with like
1:22:01
Speaker 1: one of your six round picks that you have bills on.
1:22:03
Speaker 1: Episodes take with one of your sixth round. Picks big body,
1:22:06
Speaker 1: dude pure run, stopper silo type of. Guy but the
1:22:11
Speaker 1: the juice that he has with that, size like at
1:22:16
Speaker 1: where are my notes? Here six three hundred and thirty four,
1:22:21
Speaker 1: pounds but good center of, gravity with how he's, built
1:22:26
Speaker 1: like he is built, stocky like you've got the, frame
1:22:29
Speaker 1: you've got the. Stock you don't have to worry about
1:22:32
Speaker 1: how he's, proportioned like he's built like a run. Defender
1:22:35
Speaker 1: he is a run. Defender and you've got some flashes
1:22:40
Speaker 1: of like violence in his hand usage and. Movement and
1:22:43
Speaker 1: the reps that really got me were him just being
1:22:45
Speaker 1: a pain in the ass against double teams And oklahoma
1:22:48
Speaker 1: couldn't move. Him but then there's somewhere he's like ripping
1:22:51
Speaker 1: through like he takes a good first, step, penetrates rips
1:22:56
Speaker 1: through the. Center and then because he's so, big the
1:22:59
Speaker 1: center can't like ride him. Around he just plays right
1:23:03
Speaker 1: through the. Center AND i was, like, oh and so,
1:23:04
Speaker 1: again like a guy who can play a role and
1:23:07
Speaker 1: fin a NICHE i can value. That and So Elijah
1:23:10
Speaker 1: simmons is a Late day three, guy And i'll mention
1:23:14
Speaker 1: a couple. Others ONE i know the people that the
1:23:16
Speaker 1: chat has been talking about him every single. Week he
1:23:18
Speaker 1: was mentioned a couple of times in this. EPISODE i
1:23:20
Speaker 1: think he's all right AND i would consider. Him On day.
1:23:22
Speaker 1: Three Jordan phillips From, maryland somebody who actually on the,
1:23:28
Speaker 1: interior the opposite Of Alpha. Collins he uses a spin.
1:23:31
Speaker 2: Move and it actually.
1:23:31
Speaker 1: Works can't fair uh Four this is just such a
1:23:39
Speaker 1: random stat four spin moves Against Michigan state is a pass,
1:23:42
Speaker 1: rusher but he more just throws it than he does
1:23:45
Speaker 1: necessarily like lines it up and like ice picks. It
1:23:48
Speaker 1: like he's more just it's like it's like pre. Snap he's, Like,
1:23:51
Speaker 1: Okay i'm gonna do the spin and it works like
1:23:53
Speaker 1: three out of the, four but it's not. Great one of.
1:23:57
Speaker 1: Them he one of. THEM i feel so. Bad This
1:24:00
Speaker 1: Michigan state. Center he he hits the. Spin it's the
1:24:03
Speaker 1: second one that he. Throws i'm, sorry it's the third
1:24:06
Speaker 1: one that he, throws because the first one works, great
1:24:08
Speaker 1: the second one does. Not the third one he throws
1:24:12
Speaker 1: the ice pick hand comes around and just conks the
1:24:15
Speaker 1: center in the back of the. Head slash like the
1:24:17
Speaker 1: ear and you can see him do one like one of.
1:24:20
Speaker 1: Those i'm just, like oh he that just looks like
1:24:23
Speaker 1: it felt so uncomfortable for that poor. Center but he's
1:24:27
Speaker 1: another dude short. Arms as a big body, GUY i
1:24:29
Speaker 1: also see him more as like a true nose THAN
1:24:32
Speaker 1: i do as more of a one tech even though
1:24:34
Speaker 1: he's got like them the weight that could fit into.
1:24:35
Speaker 1: One but just how he plays why base low pad,
1:24:40
Speaker 1: level literally gets in like a sumo stance pre snap
1:24:43
Speaker 1: with like why, base and like both fists are like
1:24:47
Speaker 1: touching the. Ground he can drop the knee versus doubles
1:24:50
Speaker 1: That kickstan like he talked about a couple of really
1:24:52
Speaker 1: good reps like that Against Michigan. State he's another guy that,
1:24:54
Speaker 1: again LIKE i, mentioned the short arms are gonna limit
1:24:56
Speaker 1: him overall as a player and as a. Rusher he's
1:24:59
Speaker 1: got hit thirty one and a half inch, arms which
1:25:01
Speaker 1: is six percentile for defensive, tackles and you see it
1:25:04
Speaker 1: like he'll he's got to. REP i think it's Against
1:25:08
Speaker 1: Michigan state where he like goes to the club and
1:25:13
Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't do anything because because his
1:25:16
Speaker 1: arms are so, short where he makes contact is in
1:25:20
Speaker 1: the shoulder pad of the. Center but it's essentially just
1:25:22
Speaker 1: like wrist and, fist so they're not going. Anywhere you
1:25:25
Speaker 1: don't have any leverage behind that because your arm isn't
1:25:27
Speaker 1: long enough and then if if you want to use that,
1:25:30
Speaker 1: move you got to get in really. Tight but then
1:25:32
Speaker 1: you're in this advantageous position because now they're gonna the
1:25:35
Speaker 1: offensive line is gonna be able to get into your.
1:25:36
Speaker 1: Body SO i do view him as more just a true,
1:25:39
Speaker 1: nose like playing with some lag technique and let him
1:25:42
Speaker 1: kind of just gum things up on the. Inside but
1:25:44
Speaker 1: good lower body flexibility and better movement for him THAN
1:25:47
Speaker 1: i THOUGHT i was going to. See the short arms
1:25:49
Speaker 1: are a bit, damning AND i don't like to play that.
1:25:52
Speaker 1: CARD i was a staunch believer In roger McCreary And
1:25:56
Speaker 1: trent McDuffie when everybody told me that they could not
1:25:58
Speaker 1: play because they had short arm AND i was, Like,
1:26:01
Speaker 1: NOPE i don't. Care So i'm not one of those
1:26:03
Speaker 1: like you got to tick these measurables and if, not you're.
1:26:06
Speaker 1: Out BUT i do think the short arms are going
1:26:07
Speaker 1: to be a bit of a. Problem but, again if
1:26:08
Speaker 1: we're sitting here on day, THREE i do have MORE
1:26:11
Speaker 1: i would PREFER i would Prefer phillips more in the
1:26:16
Speaker 1: fifth THAN i were with the. Fourth BUT i can
1:26:19
Speaker 1: understand it a little. BIT i would Take caldwell And
1:26:21
Speaker 1: toya ahead Of. PHILLIPS i can Understand phillips going ahead Of,
1:26:27
Speaker 1: toya BUT i would prefer Called. WELL i would Prefer
1:26:30
Speaker 1: toya and then another couple uh THAT i want to
1:26:34
Speaker 1: mention as. Well Cam jackson defensive tackle From, florida six,'
1:26:37
Speaker 1: six three hundred and twenty, eight pounds thirty four and
1:26:40
Speaker 1: one eighth inch arms like super. Long. Arms you he
1:26:43
Speaker 1: uses that length of stack and shed and wrangle. Ball
1:26:45
Speaker 1: carriers he plays considerably low considering that he's six, foot
1:26:50
Speaker 1: six and then plays with the, wide base uses that
1:26:52
Speaker 1: plus his length to. Limit displacement just moves like, a
1:26:56
Speaker 1: plotter though there's not a lot of pass. Rush juice
1:26:58
Speaker 1: like when when he play is, The run, you're, like
1:27:00
Speaker 1: oh that's a. Big dude and then when he runs
1:27:03
Speaker 1: as a, Pass rusher, you're like oh that's a. Big, dude, yeah,
1:27:06
Speaker 1: yeah exactly that's exactly what. It is, but Again if i'm,
1:27:09
Speaker 1: SITTING there i think he can fit. A roll if
1:27:12
Speaker 1: you took him in round four, ROUND five i wouldn't
1:27:14
Speaker 1: be upset with that. At all and then someone else that, YOU. Mentioned,
1:27:18
Speaker 1: Cj west he's a GUY more i wouldn't mind in.
1:27:20
Speaker 1: ROUND four i prefer in round FIVE THAT i i
1:27:25
Speaker 1: like how much of like a leader and communicator and
1:27:27
Speaker 1: disruptor that. He is but the arm length. Gets me
1:27:30
Speaker 1: he's another guy with six percentile arms thirty one and,
1:27:34
Speaker 1: a half really active hands like which he needs because
1:27:38
Speaker 1: he doesn't have, the length so that you'll, get swipes you'll,
1:27:40
Speaker 1: get chopps you'll get some shed and. Good athleticism but
1:27:43
Speaker 1: if he's not, winning initially like right on the snap as,
1:27:47
Speaker 1: a rusher he. Stalls out he gets stood up far
1:27:50
Speaker 1: more than. You like and then, it's, like okay but he's, six, one.
1:27:53
Speaker 1: Three sixteen here comes the run. Defense PIECE but i
1:27:56
Speaker 1: don't think the block recognition is. Necessarily there he has
1:27:59
Speaker 1: some really good flash WHICH that i think are more
1:28:01
Speaker 1: just he's hitting this, gap anyway and the run just happens.
1:28:05
Speaker 1: To allow THERE'S one i think one of, the ones
1:28:07
Speaker 1: Maybe Against notre Dame Or, OHIO state i. Can't remember
1:28:11
Speaker 1: it's a. Zone run we're looking at It from so
1:28:15
Speaker 1: the defense is here the offense is on the, other
1:28:17
Speaker 1: side so it's going to the, offenses right the defense,
1:28:19
Speaker 1: is left and he blows. It up but it's just
1:28:21
Speaker 1: because it's a zone run and he was already going
1:28:23
Speaker 1: INTO the b gap and so it just happens to like.
1:28:25
Speaker 1: Work out, it's, like oh that's a, great play and
1:28:26
Speaker 1: it's like not to be, a dick but like.
1:28:30
Speaker 2: It just worked.
1:28:30
Speaker 1: Out there you were, just, there yeah like you were
1:28:33
Speaker 1: looking fastball and you got. A fastball like you still
1:28:35
Speaker 1: had to, hit, it yes but you didn't have to
1:28:37
Speaker 1: like read the pitch. Or anything the quickness and athleticism
1:28:40
Speaker 1: for his size is, genuinely IMPRESSIVE and i like what
1:28:43
Speaker 1: he does on games, up front but he just plays
1:28:45
Speaker 1: a little too high for. My liking guys get under him.
1:28:48
Speaker 1: Too much he's not the run Defender that i'd like
1:28:50
Speaker 1: him to be at. His size and then because of
1:28:52
Speaker 1: the short arms and lack of pass, rush repertoire that
1:28:56
Speaker 1: just scares me off of him a. Little bit so
1:28:57
Speaker 1: THAT'S why i push it more towards like a fifth
1:28:59
Speaker 1: or sixth. TYPE deal i know a lot of people
1:29:01
Speaker 1: like him because he's big and he's got some great
1:29:02
Speaker 1: Flashes and indiana was really fun this year with like what,
1:29:05
Speaker 1: they did but he just has some concerns for me
1:29:08
Speaker 1: in terms of so kind of of those grouping of,
1:29:10
Speaker 1: Those guys I'LL mention I, Prefer, caldwell toya AND then
1:29:13
Speaker 1: i can make a case for kind of anybody else
1:29:15
Speaker 1: depending on where we wanted.
1:29:16
Speaker 2: To, go YEAH. The cj, West stuff i've been, saying
1:29:19
Speaker 2: THAT like i Feel like. I'M crazy i gave him
1:29:20
Speaker 2: a six, round grade.
1:29:21
Speaker 1: Like you, Kept nodding you kept nodding with me as
1:29:23
Speaker 1: if you like. Appreciate it so and so That's like
1:29:25
Speaker 1: i've been sitting here, AND yeah i have like a
1:29:28
Speaker 1: fifth sixth, on HIM but i really put the fifth
1:29:30
Speaker 1: just to be GENEROUS because i didn't want to get
1:29:32
Speaker 1: yelled at because everybody kept BEING. Like cj west in
1:29:34
Speaker 1: round TWO and i was like, round two what like what?
1:29:38
Speaker 2: It was what? IS happening i don't he's that was
1:29:42
Speaker 2: said like seven or eight times per game where he's just.
1:29:45
Speaker 2: Given up he gives up. On plays and we're talking
1:29:48
Speaker 2: about a. GUY again i don't care that you Played,
1:29:50
Speaker 2: at toledo but he's a fifth year. Guy too there
1:29:53
Speaker 2: is some. To that and if you're giving up on
1:29:56
Speaker 2: plays you're playing too high and if you consistently get
1:30:00
Speaker 2: off the ball and then get JUST if i see
1:30:03
Speaker 2: this like far, TOO much I just i'm kind.
1:30:05
Speaker 1: Of out he gives his chest up and just guys gets. Right, out.
1:30:10
Speaker 2: Yeah you opened up my eyes to some more run
1:30:13
Speaker 2: Fits because i've done a lot more work on some
1:30:15
Speaker 2: of these. Guys Too junior tafuna Out of utah is
1:30:20
Speaker 2: another run defensive. Guy, fit again we're talking about thirty
1:30:23
Speaker 2: two and a half, Inch arms so maybe on the
1:30:26
Speaker 2: higher side of the guys you've Talked.
1:30:27
Speaker 1: About actor compared to talk.
1:30:32
Speaker 2: About right he six three and eight pounds and, just
1:30:38
Speaker 2: explosive physical guy that will just. Eat blocks he's not
1:30:42
Speaker 2: gonna SHED great i. Don't, care again we're Talking about
1:30:45
Speaker 2: day three guy and he's just gonna. Eat. Blocks, Yeah
1:30:48
Speaker 2: yeah black is the premiere one zero tech in this
1:30:52
Speaker 2: class For a day. Three guy, he's huge he has
1:30:54
Speaker 2: like thirty five or thirty six. Inch arms. He's insane
1:30:58
Speaker 2: he's never gonna give you anything as. Pass rusher he
1:31:00
Speaker 2: is so slow and narrow because of, his size but
1:31:03
Speaker 2: he will eat blocks.
1:31:04
Speaker 1: All day he's six six, foot five three hundred and thirty.
1:31:08
Speaker 1: Six pounds with thirty five. INCH arms i think he
1:31:10
Speaker 1: had the longest arms in, THIS class.
1:31:15
Speaker 2: I BELIEVE or i, Believe second so it's first second,
1:31:18
Speaker 2: he was he.
1:31:19
Speaker 1: Was there He is he is a like a like
1:31:22
Speaker 1: a terrifyingly.
1:31:23
Speaker 2: Large man saw him At The senior bowl And just
1:31:27
Speaker 2: I'M just i was watching him, just, like yeah one,
1:31:31
Speaker 2: On ones, i'm, like yeah you can't. Do anything he's
1:31:33
Speaker 2: just so narrow. And tall his high hit too for
1:31:36
Speaker 2: a guy who's six, to six which does not. Help
1:31:37
Speaker 2: you so just a couple of scheme fits there in
1:31:42
Speaker 2: terms of just pure run stuffing GUYS that i had
1:31:45
Speaker 2: graded and uh were on my, list too so there's
1:31:48
Speaker 2: there's tons.
1:31:49
Speaker 1: Of, them yeah which. IS fun I wanted i really
1:31:52
Speaker 1: wanted to like him more because of his size and then, Like,
1:31:54
Speaker 1: YEAH iowa I just i. DON'T know i just feel
1:31:57
Speaker 1: like they Always provide it's usually more the, offensive SIDED
1:31:59
Speaker 1: but i feel like they just do good trench Work,
1:32:02
Speaker 1: on iowa like they know what to, do there and
1:32:04
Speaker 1: then they never have any offense aside From Like sam
1:32:07
Speaker 1: laporta and Then Like caleb johnson, this year so it's
1:32:10
Speaker 1: like they always have to have. Good DEFENSE so i
1:32:12
Speaker 1: just saw his size and knew their REP and i,
1:32:14
Speaker 1: was like this might be a. Good WIN and i
1:32:15
Speaker 1: didn't see a Lot of iowa during, the SEASON so
1:32:17
Speaker 1: i was pumped to get to. The tape AND then
1:32:19
Speaker 1: i got to IT and i, was, like, oh yeah the,
1:32:21
Speaker 1: High cut like how. YOU move i, was, like oh
1:32:23
Speaker 1: that's DISAPPOINTING because i saw the SIZE and i saw
1:32:26
Speaker 1: him move a little bit at the, combine FIRST and i, Was,
1:32:28
Speaker 1: like okay like all, things considered how big, You are
1:32:31
Speaker 1: i'm intrigat a. Little bit don't give This WEEK and
1:32:33
Speaker 1: i was, just YEAH but i think that's a really good,
1:32:37
Speaker 1: point though of like if If the bills are looking
1:32:41
Speaker 1: for more of a traditional one tech and a, rotational
1:32:44
Speaker 1: role if they want more of a run, stopping presence
1:32:47
Speaker 1: there's literally a bunch. Of, options yeah throughout the entirety of,
1:32:51
Speaker 1: This draft and it might come a little later then you.
1:32:53
Speaker 1: Wanted to but you could really sit here and be,
1:32:55
Speaker 1: like again and maybe this, for me Maybe what i'm
1:32:59
Speaker 1: about to say is also kind of a Knock Against.
1:33:01
Speaker 1: Dwayne carter but there's there's guys you could take in
1:33:03
Speaker 1: round five or six that Could Push dwayne carter a.
1:33:06
Speaker 1: Little Bit man like he just had such a he
1:33:11
Speaker 1: was just getting blown off the ball, so much like
1:33:13
Speaker 1: it was. Just constant he was just like human, displacement,
1:33:16
Speaker 1: horizontally vertically he just everywhere man he Could not and then.
1:33:20
Speaker 1: PASSWORDS productivity i think he was in like the, low
1:33:22
Speaker 1: fours like they just didn't see anything from a pass,
1:33:24
Speaker 1: rest perspective and it was it was, pretty disheartening especially
1:33:29
Speaker 1: for teen like, You Know daikwon jones was still working
1:33:31
Speaker 1: his way back and wasn't you wanted what? You wanted
1:33:33
Speaker 1: and then You had carter who you took in the
1:33:34
Speaker 1: THIRD and i, was, like okay like. Be something and
1:33:38
Speaker 1: then You're Grabbing jordan Phillips And quentin jefferson off the
1:33:40
Speaker 1: scrap heat midyear to take his reps and play like
1:33:43
Speaker 1: essentially ahead. Of him, and yeah but again he's, a rookie.
1:33:47
Speaker 1: YOU know i don't, like to, you know make concrete
1:33:49
Speaker 1: decisions on guys until usually after like year three minimum,
1:33:52
Speaker 1: year tube but most likely, year three we'll see what he.
1:33:53
Speaker 1: Can be, but yeah there's some guys on day three
1:33:55
Speaker 1: that could rival him for. Like USEFULNESS and i don't
1:34:00
Speaker 1: know if that's a pro to this class or a Knock,
1:34:02
Speaker 1: against carter but it's fun and if You're a, bills
1:34:04
Speaker 1: fan because that means you can still be sitting There
1:34:06
Speaker 1: on saturday afternoon and tuned in to day three and, Be,
1:34:09
Speaker 1: like okay we might get a guy that might actually
1:34:12
Speaker 1: help this team given the rotation and what.
1:34:13
Speaker 2: They need it's just a it's just, a versatile. Versatile
1:34:16
Speaker 2: group and then like you just so many scheme. SPECIFIC
1:34:19
Speaker 2: guys i really do think it's a, very large laid
1:34:22
Speaker 2: and run. Defense group like it's there's gonna be guys
1:34:25
Speaker 2: on every in every round that get drafted that you're
1:34:28
Speaker 2: gonna See on sundays. For years there's probably gonna be
1:34:31
Speaker 2: a sixth seventh round defense tackle that get selected that
1:34:34
Speaker 2: are gonna be playing IN the nfl five six years,
1:34:36
Speaker 2: from now which doesn't. Usually happen but there's so good
1:34:39
Speaker 2: at stopping. The run it's it's a weird class in
1:34:41
Speaker 2: that regard where there's just so many of them everywhere
1:34:44
Speaker 2: that you can just figure. It out and if you
1:34:47
Speaker 2: miss on one or you miss out because you have
1:34:50
Speaker 2: someone really high on your board at a, different position, you're,
1:34:52
Speaker 2: like look we're we're packed back here with. Defense tackles
1:34:56
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna take this other position. Of value
1:34:59
Speaker 2: so it's it's. Really FUN and i do think there's
1:35:02
Speaker 2: lots of defensive ends that can kick inside and. Rush
1:35:05
Speaker 2: THERE like i have tons of those players on, my
1:35:08
Speaker 2: board like there's just so many. Of them, but yeah
1:35:10
Speaker 2: this is. It's been it's always so fun to talk
1:35:12
Speaker 2: about a group that's not just like top heavy with
1:35:15
Speaker 2: guys that could be like, real guys but just, day two,
1:35:20
Speaker 2: day three. Real CONTRIBUTORS and i know that might be
1:35:23
Speaker 2: not might not be sexy to, talk about but that's
1:35:26
Speaker 2: fun to talk about, For ME like i.
1:35:27
Speaker 1: Love that, hell, yeah yeah it's it's been such a
1:35:30
Speaker 1: fun group to. Go THROUGH like i was sitting here and,
1:35:32
Speaker 1: watching guys yeah THEY'RE like i, was, like oh this
1:35:33
Speaker 1: guy has like a fifth or six, Round GRADE but i,
1:35:35
Speaker 1: WAS like i enjoy, This tape like this. Is fun there's.
1:35:38
Speaker 1: Usefulness here, and yeah for if you need more of
1:35:41
Speaker 1: the run stuffing element for, defensive tackle this is. Your,
1:35:44
Speaker 1: class granted there's some guys that can penetrate in one
1:35:47
Speaker 1: gap and get a field and do. That stuff but
1:35:49
Speaker 1: just like like we talked about in, the beginning LIKE
1:35:51
Speaker 1: where nfl football, is trending you need to stop the,
1:35:55
Speaker 1: run again and you need to be a little heavier
1:35:57
Speaker 1: on the inside to. Do it, you know it's not
1:35:59
Speaker 1: necessarily going to be like everybody needs to go Get.
1:36:01
Speaker 1: A vitavea granted he's a unicorn in a one, on
1:36:03
Speaker 1: one but you need to get a little bit like
1:36:06
Speaker 1: the days, of like, oh yeah our one tech is
1:36:07
Speaker 1: three hundred and. Eight pounds that's kind of going away a.
1:36:10
Speaker 1: Little bit you might need to get some guys that
1:36:11
Speaker 1: are more like. Three Fifteen like i'm not saying everybody's
1:36:14
Speaker 1: Gonna Be devandre sweat or for the nineties people like
1:36:16
Speaker 1: Not Like gilbert brown From the packers is, coming, back
1:36:19
Speaker 1: like but you need like you need a little bit of.
1:36:22
Speaker 1: Heftiness inside teams need to get more stout on, the
1:36:25
Speaker 1: interior and for a team Like, the bills who are
1:36:27
Speaker 1: one of, Those, teams yeah this draft has a lot
1:36:30
Speaker 1: of usefulness on. THAT interior i, Am Yeah i'm i'm
1:36:33
Speaker 1: excited to see kind of like how it just falls
1:36:36
Speaker 1: for in general because so many teams boards are gonna
1:36:38
Speaker 1: be different based on what you need TO. T j
1:36:40
Speaker 1: sanders is a, Great EXAMPLE like i think he's Got
1:36:43
Speaker 1: to He's like i'm gonna finish my defensive, tackle ranks
1:36:46
Speaker 1: but he'll end up being in my. Top ten but
1:36:47
Speaker 1: then Like if i'm a, certain team he might be
1:36:49
Speaker 1: like defensive tackle fifteen because guess what we don't need
1:36:51
Speaker 1: like his. Skill, set yeah and he's but he doesn't
1:36:53
Speaker 1: mean he's the fifteen best defensive tackle in. This class
1:36:56
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be based on the fit and how you.
1:36:58
Speaker 2: Move and what.
1:36:58
Speaker 1: Guys, Do yeah i'm. Very excited any even final thoughts
1:37:03
Speaker 1: on this defensive, tackle class anything on, your mind anything
1:37:07
Speaker 1: you want to say before we start to.
1:37:09
Speaker 2: Wind out, you know it's just it's. Always been it's
1:37:11
Speaker 2: always fun to get on here and talk with you
1:37:13
Speaker 2: because it's just, a, Conversation right like it doesn't feel
1:37:15
Speaker 2: like it's scripted or we have guys that we have to,
1:37:18
Speaker 2: talk about, and LIKE like i even just did at,
1:37:20
Speaker 2: the end like you reminded me of GUYS that i
1:37:22
Speaker 2: had SCOUTED that i just we're thinking about because they
1:37:25
Speaker 2: reminded me of the same kind. Of profile so it's
1:37:28
Speaker 2: always fun to get not just, with you but just
1:37:30
Speaker 2: in terms of talking ball and talking about these guys
1:37:33
Speaker 2: that we like that, we've scouted we put the work
1:37:35
Speaker 2: in on and and this Class is another example of
1:37:38
Speaker 2: this is where the teams that do the work. Will
1:37:42
Speaker 2: benefit there is not a lot of blue. Chip talent,
1:37:45
Speaker 2: there isn't but there's tons. Of starters there is just tons.
1:37:51
Speaker 2: Of them so if you have, A team i Believe
1:37:53
Speaker 2: the bills are one of the best scouting teams IN.
1:37:55
Speaker 2: THE nfl i think that they find great values and
1:37:58
Speaker 2: put players in the best position to consistently get the
1:38:01
Speaker 2: most out. Of them you Talked about day, three GUYS
1:38:04
Speaker 2: like I just i think you see on the, defensive
1:38:08
Speaker 2: side whether they were drafted in the first two to
1:38:11
Speaker 2: three rounds or they were drafted in, the, fifth sixth, seventh,
1:38:13
Speaker 2: rounds like they find ways to get the most out.
1:38:15
Speaker 2: Of THEM and I respect sean mcdern a ton. For
1:38:18
Speaker 2: that and this is the type of draft where these
1:38:22
Speaker 2: teams get the most out. Of it so you'll find that,
1:38:25
Speaker 2: MAYBE again i don't know if they're going to, trade
1:38:27
Speaker 2: down not necessarily out of the question in the second
1:38:31
Speaker 2: round considering where, they're at but also in the first
1:38:33
Speaker 2: at the end of the, first round twenty, To sixty like,
1:38:36
Speaker 2: you Said if i'm sitting here at Thirty and, I'M
1:38:40
Speaker 2: like i, DON'T know i don't really feel like this
1:38:42
Speaker 2: is a. Great SPOT but i see like seven or
1:38:44
Speaker 2: eight GUYS that I have day two grades on that
1:38:46
Speaker 2: maybe moves a couple spots back pick up another third
1:38:48
Speaker 2: or fourth. Round, Pick yeah i'd be pretty happy. With
1:38:51
Speaker 2: that so just, JUST overall i think that this class
1:38:54
Speaker 2: really is where you find the, good gms the good,
1:38:57
Speaker 2: head coaches and the good scouting teams because they are
1:39:00
Speaker 2: going to be the teams that get the most out
1:39:02
Speaker 2: of the draft class like this and are able to
1:39:05
Speaker 2: navigate the board and not just their, own picks but
1:39:08
Speaker 2: moving around with those picks and players to find the
1:39:11
Speaker 2: best positions and then the. Best fits so, defensive line,
1:39:15
Speaker 2: defensive end. GREAT class i think it's very deep at
1:39:19
Speaker 2: wide receiver. As, well again that's another position where it
1:39:22
Speaker 2: mimics a little bit like the, defensive tackle where you
1:39:25
Speaker 2: have a couple of guys that are gonna be really,
1:39:26
Speaker 2: really good and then you have a lot of scheme
1:39:28
Speaker 2: specific guys that you know you never. Really know so
1:39:32
Speaker 2: it's a lot. Of fun and even though it's a
1:39:35
Speaker 2: down class that this, can be it can just be
1:39:39
Speaker 2: a lot of fun to see all the different ways
1:39:40
Speaker 2: that this.
1:39:41
Speaker 1: Can, go yeah very, well SAID and i think you
1:39:44
Speaker 1: hit it on the head for this class and the defensive,
1:39:46
Speaker 1: tackle grouping like there's so. MANY guys i feel like
1:39:49
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle grouping is a good microcosm of what
1:39:52
Speaker 1: you have in this class for so many positions where
1:39:54
Speaker 1: there's like a lot of good like bees AND some.
1:39:58
Speaker 1: B pluses like there's not a town of. Old man
1:40:00
Speaker 1: this GUY'S, an a this IS an, a plus this
1:40:01
Speaker 1: IS an. A minus it's just like there's just a lot,
1:40:03
Speaker 1: of usefulness like individually from a skill set and, trades
1:40:06
Speaker 1: perspective but also from a, schematic standpoint, and yeah just
1:40:09
Speaker 1: a lot of B'S and. B pluses and that's not
1:40:12
Speaker 1: sexy and it's not fun and it's, not like, oh
1:40:15
Speaker 1: man we got to watch all these guys that are.
1:40:17
Speaker 1: Getting drafted but you just get this is how you
1:40:19
Speaker 1: build like championship, Level teams like you just get these
1:40:23
Speaker 1: good B'S and. B plus, i mean you know You're a.
1:40:25
Speaker 1: Chiefs guy Like the chiefs are just consistently granted they've
1:40:28
Speaker 1: had high level play From like Mahomes and Kelsey And
1:40:31
Speaker 1: chris jones and, then McDuffie but they've gotten really GOOD
1:40:35
Speaker 1: like B to b plus play from like a bunch
1:40:37
Speaker 1: of guys that they shouldn't or like. Their depth guys
1:40:40
Speaker 1: come in and function as LIKE a b minus or
1:40:41
Speaker 1: receive plus at, different spots And the bills have had
1:40:44
Speaker 1: that for a, While Too Like dan jackson shouldn't be
1:40:46
Speaker 1: like a good corner IN, the nfl but he's like
1:40:48
Speaker 1: A competence cb THREE and cb two at times For,
1:40:50
Speaker 1: the bills Just Like levi wallace was. Before that like
1:40:53
Speaker 1: these guys that they're able to squeeze as much blood
1:40:56
Speaker 1: as you can from. That stone and there's, a yeah
1:40:58
Speaker 1: a lot of fun stones and this Defensive TAC gouger
1:41:00
Speaker 1: i think in this draft as, a WHOLE and i
1:41:02
Speaker 1: think it was very well said why you, As well
1:41:03
Speaker 1: like this is the kind of draft where your scouting,
1:41:06
Speaker 1: department shows, your evaluation shows your process shows being able
1:41:09
Speaker 1: to identify which guys might have the, most upside which
1:41:14
Speaker 1: guys fit you now and are the best fit for
1:41:16
Speaker 1: you overall based on what they do with what, you
1:41:19
Speaker 1: do and having that mesh point yet, makes, this uh
1:41:22
Speaker 1: this class really EXCITING for, defensi attack but really just
1:41:24
Speaker 1: in this draft, in general and like, you mentioned we
1:41:27
Speaker 1: do do the work and it takes a Lot and
1:41:29
Speaker 1: you've done a tremendous amount of work this, draft season
1:41:32
Speaker 1: like you do pretty much every year with anything, you
1:41:34
Speaker 1: do whether It's the chiefs working season or the draft
1:41:36
Speaker 1: stuff in the. Off season your work. Is awesome so
1:41:39
Speaker 1: tell everybody and anybody, right now just in case they
1:41:42
Speaker 1: don't know who, you are what you do all, that
1:41:44
Speaker 1: stuff the floor, is yours plug away with anything and everything.
1:41:46
Speaker 2: You got, as, ALWAYS man i appreciate you. SO much
1:41:49
Speaker 2: i always appreciate the kind. Of words and if for
1:41:51
Speaker 2: those who, DON'T know i AM an nfl draft scout
1:41:54
Speaker 2: At The, draft network you can find Me on twitter
1:41:56
Speaker 2: At in. Humsway nineteen all of my scouting reports everything
1:42:00
Speaker 2: you can see HOW much I. HATE. Cj A west
1:42:02
Speaker 2: on there, as well because that's usually what it goes.
1:42:06
Speaker 2: Down to people think you. Hate, him no if we're
1:42:08
Speaker 2: just we're, just, evaluating right.
1:42:09
Speaker 1: How do you hate this guy because he's like only
1:42:12
Speaker 1: ranked fourteenth on Your Board and, I'M like i don't hate, him.
1:42:15
Speaker 2: Exactly like We just and the thing about my scouting
1:42:18
Speaker 2: reports IS that i pride myself on. Being detailed and
1:42:22
Speaker 2: if you go through a scouting report and you think,
1:42:25
Speaker 2: it's fluff that's not going to BE something i put,
1:42:29
Speaker 2: my well would not put something out THERE that i think.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: It's fluff so you read some of these scouting reports
1:42:33
Speaker 2: that are just like, bullet points you get an entire
1:42:36
Speaker 2: explanation my process through and. Then CULMINATION so i think
1:42:41
Speaker 2: that if you ever read Something that i've written from
1:42:44
Speaker 2: a scouting, report standpoint you come away with UNDERSTANDING who
1:42:47
Speaker 2: i feel the. Player is THAT'S all i. Care about
1:42:50
Speaker 2: so you can see all those At The draft network
1:42:52
Speaker 2: and then if you guys are. Ever interested i've also
1:42:54
Speaker 2: put film work on YouTube On The draft networks film
1:42:57
Speaker 2: on YouTube page i have. PUT it i don't, even
1:43:01
Speaker 2: know maybe it's been one a week EVER since i
1:43:04
Speaker 2: started a film Breakdowns in Jill and June. Or july
1:43:08
Speaker 2: so there's tons of film breakdowns of prospects all the
1:43:11
Speaker 2: way dating back to, last year and tons of those
1:43:14
Speaker 2: have also been breaking down prospects ON The rgr, football
1:43:18
Speaker 2: channel which is, chief centric but prospects are. Going down
1:43:21
Speaker 2: i'm actually gonna Have A derek common breakdown Going, on
1:43:24
Speaker 2: wednesday so that's always fun. To SEE but i appreciate
1:43:27
Speaker 2: the time.
1:43:28
Speaker 1: As always, My, friend, no yeah, you're Awesome and i'm
1:43:31
Speaker 1: not just saying that and for those of yeah who
1:43:32
Speaker 1: aren't Familiar with, daniel's work someone, who legitimately hopefully and
1:43:36
Speaker 1: probably got a taste of in this episode really knows
1:43:40
Speaker 1: the game just, against schematically. Structurally individually what good, technique
1:43:46
Speaker 1: is what poor technique is the names of, these techniques
1:43:49
Speaker 1: being able to explain it in detail and be able
1:43:51
Speaker 1: to put the hows and the whys behind. The, what
1:43:54
Speaker 1: yeah it was awesome seeing you in person at two
1:43:57
Speaker 1: Year Two senior. Bowls, AGO well i saw You Already Senior,
1:44:01
Speaker 1: bowls GO but i. DIDN'T know i just. Saw you
1:44:04
Speaker 1: and then the next year when we went together as
1:44:07
Speaker 1: part of the cover, one trip kind of put face
1:44:10
Speaker 1: the name and all that kind. Of stuff and, THEN
1:44:11
Speaker 1: yeah i didn't go, this year But hopefully i'll see
1:44:13
Speaker 1: you in mobile next Year and i'm sure we'll be
1:44:15
Speaker 1: chopping it up again at some point. This offseason you.
1:44:17
Speaker 1: CRUSHED it i kept you far. Too long go enjoy
1:44:20
Speaker 1: the rest of. YOUR night i appreciate the hell out.
1:44:22
Speaker 1: Of you this, was Awesome and i'll End up i'll
1:44:25
Speaker 1: be dming you in like ten minutes to say all
1:44:27
Speaker 1: these things AGAIN because i appreciated the hell out. Of
1:44:29
Speaker 1: you you, crushed it and thanks for stopping.
1:44:30
Speaker 2: By always and my time is at at your disposal
1:44:34
Speaker 2: whenever you. Need me this is not. A requirement it's
1:44:38
Speaker 2: just FUN and i am more than happy to give
1:44:40
Speaker 2: my knowledge fans and just talk ball.
1:44:43
Speaker 3: With.
1:44:43
Speaker 2: YOU man i appreciate you having Me on, HELL yeah i.
1:44:45
Speaker 1: Enjoy the rest of. Your night i'll let. You go
1:44:46
Speaker 1: i'm gonna do outro and talk to the people a
1:44:49
Speaker 1: little Bit and i'll see you. ON social i.
1:44:50
Speaker 2: APPRECIATE that i appreciate, You too thank you very.
1:44:53
Speaker 1: Much later, good times, good episode, good content, good discus
1:45:00
Speaker 1: all of. These things So mister daniel. HARM sincerely i
1:45:03
Speaker 1: wasn't just saying it because he, was here like he does,
1:45:06
Speaker 1: Really REALLY oh i, THINK IT dj, dj says, Great,
1:45:08
Speaker 1: Guest yeah. Daniel's awesome, Appreciate.
1:45:11
Speaker 3: You.
1:45:11
Speaker 1: Orgie yeah he did Stuff for cover one last year
1:45:14
Speaker 1: With The draft channel and then went on To The
1:45:17
Speaker 1: draft network as they're starting to kind of rebuild. That
1:45:19
Speaker 1: up but he DOES the rgr football stuff, FOR well
1:45:25
Speaker 1: rgr Covering the chiefs and, just again guy really knows
1:45:30
Speaker 1: his stuff ins and outs of football and good evaluation all.
1:45:33
Speaker 1: That Stuff so i'm glad you folks enjoyed. That, episode
1:45:36
Speaker 1: yeah he was SOMEBODY who i tabbed about a. Month
1:45:38
Speaker 1: ago we set the. DATE up i was pumped to
1:45:40
Speaker 1: get him in here and talk interior. DEFENSIVE line i
1:45:43
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1:47:14
Speaker 1: bill ASKED if I had ptsd From The pat moran.
1:47:18
Speaker 1: Mock draft, SO yeah i Was On pat moran show,
1:47:20
Speaker 1: last week did a mock draft. WITH him i like
1:47:24
Speaker 1: how it. CAME out i got a lot OF dudes.
1:47:26
Speaker 1: I liked my, biggest, gripe YEAH was I Wanted darius
1:47:30
Speaker 1: alexander at. Forty nine we tried to. Trade up miami
1:47:34
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade. With us, BUT again i think the biggest
1:47:37
Speaker 1: thing was but we. Tried twice they denied it. Both
1:47:39
Speaker 1: times we could have tried, more Times but. Pat Didn't
1:47:43
Speaker 1: so pat went, aheadn't JUMPED and I think i literally, was, like, no,
1:47:46
Speaker 1: no no don't and then he hit Jump and Miami Took.
1:47:50
Speaker 1: Darius alexander but aside, from, that yeah It was even,
1:47:52
Speaker 1: with that it was. Super fun we use the stick
1:47:55
Speaker 1: to Themodel dot com their. Mock simulator it was. REALLY
1:47:58
Speaker 1: fun i had never used, it BEFORE so i didn't
1:48:01
Speaker 1: know what. TO expect i couldn't game the system and
1:48:03
Speaker 1: know kind of what to do ahead, of time so
1:48:05
Speaker 1: it was fun like reacting in. Real time might be
1:48:08
Speaker 1: doing something like that here on. THE show i traditionally
1:48:10
Speaker 1: don't do mock Drafts on. Disguy's coverage i'm considering doing
1:48:13
Speaker 1: one this week or maybe at the back end of
1:48:15
Speaker 1: the week or early, next week kind of give some.
1:48:17
Speaker 1: Extra content we'll see kind of how. That goes, BUT
1:48:19
Speaker 1: yeah i had a blast, doing that aside from being
1:48:21
Speaker 1: extremely stressed and extremely angry for the majority.
1:48:24
Speaker 2: Of it, but yeah it.
1:48:25
Speaker 1: Was fun glad you liked the DJ oh Dj Says
1:48:29
Speaker 1: bruce nolan had one heck of a mock Draft. WITH
1:48:33
Speaker 1: pat i think it. WAS yesterday i you, Know, WHAT
1:48:36
Speaker 1: actually i don't know if he did. IT not i
1:48:37
Speaker 1: FEEL like i feel LIKE maybe i saw something On
1:48:38
Speaker 1: social i've been posting stuff, the past really the past,
1:48:41
Speaker 1: several months but not engaging, a Lot so i'm trying
1:48:43
Speaker 1: to avoid anything and. Everything DRAFT but, I mean bruce
1:48:46
Speaker 1: does great WORK and i could see him just having
1:48:47
Speaker 1: a great time with that mock OH and dj says
1:48:50
Speaker 1: stick to the model is the best similar out there
1:48:52
Speaker 1: at the moment in. My opinion joe says it's the
1:48:54
Speaker 1: best model out in his opinion. As well he says
1:48:56
Speaker 1: we used it tonight in his mock. Draft, episode yeah
1:48:59
Speaker 1: they're a really. Good time it's just nice TOO to
1:49:02
Speaker 1: i usually WOULD, use PFFS and i just figured out
1:49:06
Speaker 1: how to game, the system AND so i would have
1:49:08
Speaker 1: to force myself to not. Game it BUT the i
1:49:11
Speaker 1: kind of knew how the picks were. GONNA fall i
1:49:12
Speaker 1: KNEW where i could trade and how to trade and
1:49:15
Speaker 1: what guys are going to be. Available where so then
1:49:17
Speaker 1: it's it's just. Not fun it becomes like doing a
1:49:19
Speaker 1: mock just for the for. The results it's not as
1:49:22
Speaker 1: organic and it's not. Really FUN and i use the
1:49:25
Speaker 1: mock drafts. FOR fun I if i'm in, the lot
1:49:28
Speaker 1: like the waiting room at, The doctors i'm doing a.
1:49:30
Speaker 1: Mock Draft if i'm waiting in line at like the,
1:49:33
Speaker 1: Car wash i'm gonna try and do a quick. MOCK
1:49:35
Speaker 1: draft i just do it for fun and put the results.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: Out after, but yeah that was fun Episode. With pat
1:49:39
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Speaker 1: day job this and life and all of. Those things
1:51:30
Speaker 1: but we'll see what kind of comes. To fruition thank
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Speaker 1: you very Much To daniel harms for joining me in
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Speaker 1: this episode and absolutely. Crushing it this discussion was, a
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Speaker 1: BLAST as i knew and hoped it would. BE again
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Speaker 1: i hope you folks enjoyed, this episode and no film
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Speaker 1: room from Myself and eric. Next week we'll have a
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Speaker 1: film room next week with Another guest, fingers crossed. No
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Speaker 1: jinks and so until the next Episode Of disguy's coverage
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Speaker 1: or the next episode Of The, FILM room i will.
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Speaker 1: See YOU when i, SEE you i hope you and
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Speaker 1: your family and friends and loved ones are all doing
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Speaker 1: well and. Staying safe be kind to, one another take
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Speaker 1: care of. One Another as, bill Says, Happy, Easter Yes, Happy,
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Speaker 1: Easter Bill, happy. Easter folks i'm all eastered out with
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Speaker 1: the decoration. Up there these adorable little chicks that are
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Speaker 1: all decked Out for easter. As well Little mini easter
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Speaker 1: tree that we got going, out there and the tree
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Speaker 1: back here that's decked Out in. Easter, Colors Yes happy.
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Speaker 1: Easter weekend enjoy, The holiday enjoy the time with family
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Speaker 1: and friends and. Loved ones if you don't, celebrate it then.
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Speaker 1: That's fine just have a cool weekend and a. Good
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Speaker 1: time appreciate, you, folks godspeed and as Always go bills