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Wired To Hunt Podcast #170: Rut Radio 9/27/17 · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this episode number one seventy
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Speaker 1: and today in the show, we're back with another RUT
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Speaker 1: Radio episode in which we're getting real time updates from
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Speaker 1: hunters across the country on current dear behavior, activity and
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Speaker 1: the tactics that are working right now. All right, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you by
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Speaker 1: Sitka Gear, and we're back today with this week's installment
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Speaker 1: of our RUT Radio series. And for those new to
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Speaker 1: the show, each week during the your hunting season, we're
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Speaker 1: going to be publishing a new RUT Radio episode in
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Speaker 1: which we're checking in with deer hunters across the country
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Speaker 1: for real time updates on what's going on in the field,
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Speaker 1: how dear behaving, what kind of activity and conditions we're seeing,
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Speaker 1: and what tactics are aren't working right now. So it
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Speaker 1: is Monday, September two thousand and seventeen as we're recording
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Speaker 1: this and with me as our producer and the host
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Speaker 1: of RUT Radio, Spencer new Hearth and Spencer tell me this,
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Speaker 1: how pumped are you for your hunt that's coming up
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Speaker 1: here in like a day or two in South Dakota.
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Speaker 1: I am very excited, um. And one of the big
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Speaker 1: reasons because it got pushed back. I had planned to
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Speaker 1: go out for our opener, which was on Saturday, but
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Speaker 1: the weather just looked pretty nasty for what I was
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Speaker 1: looking to do. And I was gonna backpack in and
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Speaker 1: I was gonna be tenting it and staying out there
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Speaker 1: for like a week. But um, a lot of rain
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Speaker 1: and a lot of wind and cool or temperatures kept
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Speaker 1: me from going out there. So I'm gonna take off
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Speaker 1: after we finished recording. But in some areas out there,
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Speaker 1: like a half hour from where I plan to be hunting,
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Speaker 1: they were getting snow yesterday and I think there's too
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Speaker 1: many white tail hunters right now that are hunting and
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Speaker 1: snow and and so I decided I didn't want to
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Speaker 1: be either. I'm not a badass like Dan Johnson. So yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. Um. So, so this sounds like
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Speaker 1: a pretty awesome hunt, the backpacking in and everything. What
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Speaker 1: are the conditions going to be? Like? You know now
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Speaker 1: that you you waited out the worst of the weather.
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Speaker 1: What are you expecting to have over the course of
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Speaker 1: this week hunt? It is pretty mild. Um When I
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Speaker 1: talked to some of the other people in the podcast,
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Speaker 1: there's a couple extremes of cold and hot across the
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Speaker 1: country right now, but this will be pretty mild and
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Speaker 1: highs in like the low seventies, lows in the forties.
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Speaker 1: Um So, it'll be good um weather for the end
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Speaker 1: of September. Um at least as good as you could
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Speaker 1: ask for this time of year. Cool and do you
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Speaker 1: We didn't really talk about this last week when on
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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt, But what's like your goal? Are you? You know?
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Speaker 1: Are are you just gonna shoot the first buck you
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Speaker 1: can get a shot at, or are you looking for
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Speaker 1: a certain age or type or anything like that? Um So?
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Speaker 1: In South Dakota we are pretty liberal with our deer tags.
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Speaker 1: Um So, I can hunt on the east side of
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Speaker 1: the river and the west side of the river with
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Speaker 1: an archery tag. Now, I don't get to the west
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Speaker 1: very often, and this could very well be my only
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Speaker 1: trip out there this year. And with that, this is
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Speaker 1: a piece of ground never hunted before, I've never seen
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Speaker 1: in person. Even so, I will likely not be picky.
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Speaker 1: I don't have very high standards or very high expectations.
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Speaker 1: So over two and a half year old comes by, um,
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Speaker 1: I will definitely take him. Yeah, well, I'm at a
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Speaker 1: public land hunt this kind of deal, um, plus it
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Speaker 1: being a brand new place. I think, you know, being
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Speaker 1: able to shoot a two and a half year old
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Speaker 1: or old or anything like that is quite an achievement.
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Speaker 1: So I'd be I'd be right there with you yet
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Speaker 1: now in in your hunt in Montana, Mark, this feels
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Speaker 1: kind of similar because it's hunting white tails and what's
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Speaker 1: you know typically thought of this me with your country,
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Speaker 1: you probably felt a similar sense of urgency as me
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Speaker 1: in that you're there for a short period of time,
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Speaker 1: and so you would be a little more aggressive. And
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Speaker 1: with that, were you hunting mornings at all when you
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Speaker 1: were there? And if still, what did you see? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a good question, um, because you know, usually nine
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Speaker 1: percent of the time I don't hunt mornings in the
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Speaker 1: early season. But just like you mentioned, because of the
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Speaker 1: very short amount of time I had, um, I decided,
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Speaker 1: yeah I was going to hunt mornings. So I saw
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Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good movement. Um, you know, I got
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Speaker 1: in there I tried to make sure I was in
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Speaker 1: there between a half an hour and an hour before daylight, um,
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Speaker 1: just to make sure that, you know, the chances of
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Speaker 1: spooking something on my way in were as low as possible,
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Speaker 1: and I tried to make sure that my route in
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Speaker 1: there wasn't going to be going close to food sources.
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Speaker 1: So as I think I achieved that because a couple
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Speaker 1: of the mornings that I was in this little good
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Speaker 1: piece of landlocked public, I found I saw a lot
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Speaker 1: of activity that lasted for probably at least an hour
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Speaker 1: half after daylight for that first like you know, ninety
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Speaker 1: minutes of daylight, a lot of deer moving through, including
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Speaker 1: you know, potentially mature bucks. I mean like two to
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Speaker 1: three year old type bucks. UM. I don't think I
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Speaker 1: ever saw anything older than three, but there were a
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Speaker 1: couple of those like bucks. I was like, oh, that
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Speaker 1: could be a three year old um that we're rolling through,
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Speaker 1: you know, an hour after daylight, right through you know
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Speaker 1: the relatively secluded but but somewhat open too. So I
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Speaker 1: think if you've got a situation like that, you could
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Speaker 1: be seeing that movement. And this was the conditions that
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Speaker 1: were present, you know, were super hot it was like
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Speaker 1: degree highs so in the morning, you know, that was
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Speaker 1: the coolest part of the day. Um, but we're still
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Speaker 1: not talking really cold. I mean it was probably in
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Speaker 1: the upper sixties or something, you know, early in the morning. Um,
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Speaker 1: And we did see good, good activity, So it might
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Speaker 1: be it might be similar for you there in South Dakota.
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Speaker 1: But I know, you know, I do think if I
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Speaker 1: had continued to do that day after day after day
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Speaker 1: after day for like seven days or something, I imagine
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Speaker 1: that pressure would have changed things. Eventually I would have
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Speaker 1: aren't educating deer getting in and out. Um. But for
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Speaker 1: like the four days that I did do that, Um,
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Speaker 1: it worked out. Okay, Well, that will definitely be a
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Speaker 1: unique fun part of this one, because, like you said,
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Speaker 1: that's not a typical setup that that guys who are
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Speaker 1: really into white tails will do at the end of September.
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Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to those morning sids right now. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's it's nice to watch the world wake up, that's
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Speaker 1: for sure. So, UM, I know you've got a whole
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Speaker 1: slate of people were be hearing from from across the country,
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Speaker 1: but I kind of might if you're well, you host
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Speaker 1: the RUT Radio Spencer, so you can give me permission
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Speaker 1: or not whether or not you want to hear about this.
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Speaker 1: But are you interested in what's coming from Michigan because
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Speaker 1: our opening day comes up this weekend. UM, This Sunday,
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Speaker 1: October one is Opening Day in Michigan. So this will
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Speaker 1: be the last what Rut radio episode for people who
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Speaker 1: listen to before that. UM, do you have anyone from
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Speaker 1: Michigan already talking about what's coming? Or should I touch
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Speaker 1: on that? I don't have you one yet, So Mark,
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Speaker 1: you had permission to be our Michigan contact this week.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, then here's what's coming down the road.
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Speaker 1: It's been really, really hot. We've had like crazy high
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Speaker 1: temperatures over the past week up until the mid nineties
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Speaker 1: even this past weekend, and that hot weather is continuing
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Speaker 1: through Wednesday, and then Wednesday the beginnings of a cool
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Speaker 1: front is hitting and we're gonna drop from like mid
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Speaker 1: to high eighties down into like the seventies on Wednesday
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Speaker 1: and then down to the low sixties at least for
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Speaker 1: me down in southern Michigan. UM, low sixties from Thursday
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Speaker 1: all the way through Monday. So that opening Day and Sunday,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have pretty decent temperatures. Looking it's looking like
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Speaker 1: highs only up until the mid sixties, so like twenty
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Speaker 1: degrees lower than it was, you know, just a couple
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Speaker 1: of days beforehand, um lows down into the forties. So
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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a good thing for bow
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Speaker 1: hunters out there. You know, in a perfect world, I
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Speaker 1: would have liked to see opening day, you know, open
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Speaker 1: up like the day after the front, not three or
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Speaker 1: four days after the front. But it's certainly better than
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Speaker 1: eight degrees. So I think Sunday is gonna be a
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Speaker 1: good day to be in the woods. Monday it's gonna
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Speaker 1: be um decent temperatures as well, but rain down by us.
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Speaker 1: And I've always believed that some light rain, scattered rain
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Speaker 1: can be really good for deer activity when you're in
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Speaker 1: an area that you know, maybe has a lot of
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Speaker 1: hunting pressure, like Michigan. For whatever reason, that just seems
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Speaker 1: to make dear, especially mature bucks from my experience, UM,
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Speaker 1: it seem to be a little more active and on
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Speaker 1: their feet. So I'm gonna be out there on Monday
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Speaker 1: as well. UM, and I'm stoked. I'm really excited to
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Speaker 1: get out. Well, what you talked about their mark. Sounds
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Speaker 1: a lot like what I heard this week from my context.
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Speaker 1: From north to south and east to west, it's all
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Speaker 1: been about the weather. And we start off with Trent
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Speaker 1: Segel and Kansas from Hartley and bow Hunter. Then we
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Speaker 1: go to Kentucky with Josh Smith of wildcaret Sense, and
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Speaker 1: then we have Levi miighting Or of Powder River Outfigures
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Speaker 1: in Montana. And we end with bowl more Tonic of
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Speaker 1: the Journal of Mountain Hunting in Pennsylvania, and they all
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Speaker 1: talked about the weather. Um, Kentucky, Kansas, Pennsylvania, it's been
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Speaker 1: a squirt lately. And then Montana is just at the
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Speaker 1: beginning of that front that we were talking about, um
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Speaker 1: where Levi talks about that colder weather making a big
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Speaker 1: difference in their dear activity. And uh, as far as
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Speaker 1: the other state, it's like Trent and Josh actually gave
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Speaker 1: you know, specific dates. They're looking at this cold front,
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Speaker 1: how it starts on Thursday in their areas, and they're
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Speaker 1: very excited for this weekend of haunting. Yeah, awesome, Well
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Speaker 1: let's stop beating around the bush and and maybe we
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Speaker 1: should get right to it. Huh, we'll do. I'll talk
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Speaker 1: to you next week. Mark sounds good good luck in
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Speaker 1: South Dakota. Before we get to our for this update, though,
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Speaker 1: joined by SITKA Ambassador Jess de Lorenzo, who tells us
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Speaker 1: about punching her archery antalope tag for the second straight year.
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Speaker 1: So this year I went out to Montana again my
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Speaker 1: good friend Amanda Caldwell, and we we're trying for two
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Speaker 1: years in a row to get our archery analope tags punched,
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Speaker 1: and we headed out together and camped out some nights.
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Speaker 1: We had lots of from of stocks, some unsuccessful, some
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Speaker 1: completely interrupted by things out of our control. One time
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Speaker 1: I was stalking, I heard with a coyote and I
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Speaker 1: didn't even know about it, and we both busted them
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Speaker 1: at the same time. UM, and we continued to put
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Speaker 1: on stalk after stalk after stalk, and finally we found
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Speaker 1: a really great spot where we could kind of inch
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Speaker 1: up along the side of a field with some overgrown grass. UM.
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Speaker 1: Amanda was doing ranges for me, and as soon as
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Speaker 1: the biggest buck out on the end, she gave me
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Speaker 1: a range and he was at seven yards. I settled
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Speaker 1: my pen and we were able to get a good
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Speaker 1: shot off on him. Um. Once we got him back
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Speaker 1: and feel dressed and all that, we spent the rest
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Speaker 1: of the time and trying to get Amanda one as well.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately we just didn't have enough time. So hopefully maybe
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Speaker 1: next year we'll go out for our third annual Girls
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Speaker 1: Hunt and I get her tag punch together. So it
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Speaker 1: Are and joining us on the line first this week
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Speaker 1: is Trent Siegel of Kansas, a host of Heartland bow
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Speaker 1: Hunter Now Trent in Kansas. What would you say the
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Speaker 1: bucket activity is men on a scale of one to ten? Lately,
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Speaker 1: this past week's been pretty low. I'd say like the tour,
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Speaker 1: it's been extremely hot, ninety degree tempts and beans are
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Speaker 1: starting to change, and so it's just cameras that slowed down.
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Speaker 1: It's it's hasn't been very good for daylight activity, that's
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Speaker 1: for sure. And so with that heat wave you guys
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Speaker 1: have had, do you think the deer have been changing
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Speaker 1: patterns where they're on the same patterns, they're just moving
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Speaker 1: in darkmore. Yeah. I think it's a combination of both. Um,
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Speaker 1: I think some of it is the change in the
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Speaker 1: lengths of the day is causing them to change patterns
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But definitely the heat we've had the
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Speaker 1: low temperatures in the upper seventies this past week and
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Speaker 1: the highs and then up in the upper nineties, So
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Speaker 1: it's definitely caused them to to be moving a lot
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Speaker 1: more at night. All right, Well, we're going to back
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Speaker 1: it up a little bit here. I know Kansas Head
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Speaker 1: an unusually early opener this year, like September eleven. Now,
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Speaker 1: did you get a chance to take advantage of that
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Speaker 1: down there? And if still, what was the dear activity
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Speaker 1: like then? Yeah. I didn't personally get out in hunt
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Speaker 1: myself that first week. I have been running some cameras
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Speaker 1: and and kept scouting, and um, it was warm again,
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Speaker 1: it was like upper eighties temperatures that opening week, and
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Speaker 1: I did have a couple of nice bucks on camera
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Speaker 1: that opening week right at last light light last week,
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Speaker 1: a light where probably could have hunted him. But um,
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Speaker 1: again it's just I don't know. There's something about hunting
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Speaker 1: the rut in Kansas that Uh, I kind of missed
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Speaker 1: it last year, shooting a buck in early October and
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Speaker 1: trying to hold out a little bit, um to get
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Speaker 1: out there and see that road activity against something that
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Speaker 1: we all dream of and and look forward to all
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Speaker 1: year long. We just talked about trail cameras there for
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, where are your cameras placed at
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Speaker 1: right now? And are those gonna start changing where you
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Speaker 1: put them as soon as we had October here? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So throughout the summer I've had him mostly on silly
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Speaker 1: beans and mineral sites. Um. But just this last week
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Speaker 1: with the heat, they flowed down so much and the
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Speaker 1: beans are changing here. Um, they're starting to cut corn
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Speaker 1: of I've been moving actually moved a bunch today on
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Speaker 1: scrapes and mock scrapes. Uh. Starting to see a lot
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Speaker 1: more of that activity um here in the last week
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Speaker 1: or so, We're bucks are laying out scrapes and seeing
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Speaker 1: some rubs show up. So um, that's definitely where I started, folks,
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Speaker 1: and my cameras for the next month a month and
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Speaker 1: a half basically and try to figure out some patterns
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Speaker 1: on them. Now, what does an early season set up
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Speaker 1: look like for you, Trent hunting in Kansas at the
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Speaker 1: end of September. Well, it's for me, it's weather de
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Speaker 1: tendant and and kind of camera detend And I mean
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Speaker 1: I really rely on my trail cameras to to scout
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Speaker 1: for me. So, um, if they're telling me that, you know,
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Speaker 1: some deer using an area or hitting a scrape line
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Speaker 1: or something like that at least September. UM, and there's
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Speaker 1: a deer that I want to hunt and it's it's
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Speaker 1: out there, and then definitely I'll go after it. Um.
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Speaker 1: Next week, we do have a big weather front coming
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Speaker 1: in tomorrow and I uh, the high today is like
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Speaker 1: ninety here and then the high tuesdays like or something
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Speaker 1: like that. So huge weather fronts coming. Um. I have
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Speaker 1: set some stands and and some Haybay all winds up
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Speaker 1: the past couple of days, getting ready to to maybe
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Speaker 1: make some moves on some nucks next week if if
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Speaker 1: everything works out, so probably check some cameras on Wednesday
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Speaker 1: midday and see see what's going on and maybe trying
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Speaker 1: to get out late next week with with those weather
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Speaker 1: fronts coming, well, it sounds like you're out to miss
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Speaker 1: it going forward. But what would you say, the dear,
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Speaker 1: activ is going to be on a scale of one
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Speaker 1: to tend in Kansas over this next week or so.
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be good personally. I mean, with
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Speaker 1: it being so bad the past week, I think it
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Speaker 1: can only get better. I think it's gonna be like
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Speaker 1: a seven or eight with the cooler attempts. I think
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Speaker 1: they're gonna really flip the switch from this past week
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Speaker 1: and and be be moving a lot and in dayline
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Speaker 1: with corn fields of being cuts. So that's always a
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Speaker 1: good um good place to get out there right after
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Speaker 1: that corn comes out, dear trying to tick that what
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Speaker 1: the combine missed. So it's I think it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: really good. Well, good luck going forward, Trent, and I
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Speaker 1: know that you're deadly down the no matter what time
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Speaker 1: of year it is. Look forward to hearing from you.
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Speaker 1: To you very much. That's you're good to talk to
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Speaker 1: you too, man. And joining us on the line next
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Speaker 1: is Josh Smith, the founder of wildcaret Since now Joshing
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Speaker 1: and Tucky, what would you say the dear. Activity has
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Speaker 1: been on a scale of one to ten lately. Well,
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Speaker 1: if you had to average um UM that group of time,
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Speaker 1: I'd say it's probably been a five. But we've had
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Speaker 1: significant activity coming in the last hour and a half
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Speaker 1: or two hours of daylight, and that's pretty much where
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Speaker 1: all of it it has taken place. Um. It's been like
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Speaker 1: excruciatingly hot to be sitting in the stands UM and
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what it would be like to be
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Speaker 1: out there covered with fur. So I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: been a lot of movement going on, definitely not in
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Speaker 1: our experience, UM, in the earlier hours of the day. Uh,
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Speaker 1: nothing until you know, evening hours. So that movement that
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Speaker 1: you are seeing, where is that taking place in bean
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Speaker 1: fields or in the timber whereat Well, we've seen a
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Speaker 1: lot of activity in the bean fields are our property.
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Speaker 1: UM has significant egg on it, a lot of soybeans, UM,
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Speaker 1: and we're getting a lot of tear coming out into
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Speaker 1: the beans. And we've got some that are still green
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Speaker 1: and some that are brown, and some they're yellow, and
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Speaker 1: just kind of depends on where on the property the
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Speaker 1: fields are located. We've got about a hundred foot or
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Speaker 1: so elevation change, um, from top to bottom, with the
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Speaker 1: lower portion having a bean field that's basically surrounded by
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Speaker 1: a creek, so it's still quite green and they're tearing
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Speaker 1: it up. And then on the upper portion of the farm,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of brown beans just from getting
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Speaker 1: scorched out by the sun and and they're getting in
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Speaker 1: there pretty good as well. Well. Josh, you own a
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Speaker 1: scent company, and this time of years seems like not
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Speaker 1: many people would be using any kind of urine or
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Speaker 1: attracting to or anything like that. Um, are you using
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Speaker 1: anything like that early season like this when it's hot
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Speaker 1: out and uh, there's no running activity going on yet. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we are. UM, we've been really researching and and just
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Speaker 1: kind of spent as much time in the woods as
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Speaker 1: we can, just observing how things are responded to our
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Speaker 1: products before we launched. We're just launching this year. UM,
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Speaker 1: so we've been using a lot of basic buck, just
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Speaker 1: regular buck and Doe year and UM early season and
18:25
Speaker 1: it in our experience, it really seems to comfort the
18:28
Speaker 1: year around us. Like for instance, last night, I sat
18:31
Speaker 1: in the stand and it was ninety four degrees and
18:34
Speaker 1: I was, you know, like a quarter mile hike into
18:38
Speaker 1: there and just sweat rolling off of me. And I
18:41
Speaker 1: wasn't really anticipating much because I didn't have a great
18:44
Speaker 1: win where I was sitting and it was just so hot. Um.
18:48
Speaker 1: But I did drag in uh buck and a doe
18:51
Speaker 1: flure and hung them on a tree right down from
18:54
Speaker 1: my stand about linking branch height, and I had eighteen
18:58
Speaker 1: year come within arts and none of them spooked at
19:01
Speaker 1: my set um. Several of them came up and we're
19:04
Speaker 1: sniffing around the moors, but not one of them ever spooked.
19:08
Speaker 1: I actually had a buck come in and lay down
19:11
Speaker 1: about fifteen yards out in the beans and just sit
19:13
Speaker 1: there for about an hour, and I got some good
19:15
Speaker 1: video on him, So that was pretty cool. And will
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Speaker 1: your scent game change uh anytime soon? Or will you
19:22
Speaker 1: kind of do that all the way through until pre
19:24
Speaker 1: rod hits us. We'll probably do that all the way
19:28
Speaker 1: through until pre Rut hits, but I really don't know,
19:32
Speaker 1: to be honest. We're trying some different things right now
19:34
Speaker 1: because I actually had um, well, we had a couple
19:37
Speaker 1: of bucks, uh, two different couples of buffs that were
19:42
Speaker 1: kind of fighting a little bit, just kind of sparring
19:44
Speaker 1: like that earlier run type activity, which is way too
19:47
Speaker 1: soon for that, I think, but they were obviously doing it. Uh,
19:51
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what's causing that. I think
19:53
Speaker 1: it maybe just practicing for the big game type of thing.
19:56
Speaker 1: But we're gonna definitely be using a regular lucking dough
20:00
Speaker 1: just to keep that comfort level high among the herds
20:03
Speaker 1: so that they're smelling recent travel from deer and not
20:06
Speaker 1: smelling us um. But yeah, as the rut approaches, we
20:10
Speaker 1: had will be using an asteris dough and rutting buck
20:13
Speaker 1: for sure. We've had great luck with those in the past,
20:16
Speaker 1: just using them amongst ourselves. Now going forward in this
20:20
Speaker 1: next week or so, Josh, what do you think the
20:22
Speaker 1: buck activity will be on a scale of one to
20:24
Speaker 1: ten in Kentucky? Well, I really have high hopes for
20:28
Speaker 1: this upcoming week. I think I think we're gonna have
20:30
Speaker 1: a lot of activity really on a scale and one
20:32
Speaker 1: to ten, I'd put it at about a seven or
20:34
Speaker 1: and eight as far as you know with with peak
20:38
Speaker 1: ten um, just because we're gonna have about a twenty
20:40
Speaker 1: degree drop and uh, I really can't wait for that
20:44
Speaker 1: because we've had such good activity. Now I'm really excited
20:48
Speaker 1: to see what goes on. I think about Thursday, this
20:50
Speaker 1: upcoming week is when when the drop is supposed to start,
20:53
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens, all right, Joshua, I hope
20:56
Speaker 1: you get a chance to take advantage of that cooler
20:58
Speaker 1: weather and good luck. Man. Thank a lot and thanks
21:01
Speaker 1: for the invite. I appreciate it. Before we get to
21:04
Speaker 1: our third update, though, let's pause for a moment to
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21:09
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21:13
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21:15
Speaker 1: hunting early October in the Midwest. You know, I think
21:19
Speaker 1: my philosophy in October is, uh, if you don't know,
21:22
Speaker 1: don't hunt. So um, if I haven't had an opportunity
21:26
Speaker 1: to scout much, the first thing I'm gonna rely on
21:29
Speaker 1: our trail cameras. Seems like as bucks go from August
21:33
Speaker 1: to September into October, they're transitioning from their bachelor groups
21:39
Speaker 1: and their summer patterns being primarily on you know, soybeans,
21:43
Speaker 1: key food sources, and they're starting to change back into
21:47
Speaker 1: their fall patterns. They kind of dispersed from one another
21:50
Speaker 1: and established new grounds. So I really reli heavily on
21:54
Speaker 1: trail cameras. Just to tell me if a bucket shifted
21:57
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22:14
Speaker 1: is Levi Mightinger, Montana, who is the head guide at
22:18
Speaker 1: Powder River Outfitters now Levi in Montana. What would you
22:21
Speaker 1: say the deer activity has been on a scale of
22:23
Speaker 1: one to ten lately? Um, lately with these uh, these
22:28
Speaker 1: rains and these weather fronts coming in, it's been you know,
22:32
Speaker 1: it's been probably a six or seven. I wouldn't call
22:35
Speaker 1: it a ten just because you know it's getting around,
22:38
Speaker 1: but it really has put the deer back on their feet. Um.
22:42
Speaker 1: Earlier on we were in that really big drought, so
22:45
Speaker 1: it was, you know, the deer we're moving real late.
22:49
Speaker 1: Um now there with these rains and stuff, they're they're
22:53
Speaker 1: kind of feeding all day. So it's been really really good.
22:56
Speaker 1: Now when you say feeding all day, where do you
22:59
Speaker 1: see those deer hitting right now for food sources. And
23:02
Speaker 1: has that changed in the last couple of weeks or not. Yeah, So,
23:07
Speaker 1: you know, I mean typically then white tails, well you know,
23:10
Speaker 1: they'll feed at night, um, and then go to bed,
23:13
Speaker 1: especially when it's warm. Um. But these rains in this
23:16
Speaker 1: like jury overcast of days um and two where some
23:20
Speaker 1: of the farming in between these storms where you're getting
23:23
Speaker 1: these these hay meadows cut. Um. We've had some corn
23:27
Speaker 1: fields that have been cut. And now with these colder days,
23:30
Speaker 1: it's putting these deer you know, back on their feet. Um.
23:34
Speaker 1: They're trying to you know, to sustain and be warm,
23:37
Speaker 1: you know, so they're out, they're out feeding, you know
23:39
Speaker 1: during the day. Um. I had a deer the other
23:42
Speaker 1: day at four o'clock in the afternoon that was probably
23:45
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty inch white tail and he was
23:48
Speaker 1: out at four o'clock, you know, browsing, which is is
23:51
Speaker 1: really uncommon this time of year where they're going, you know,
23:54
Speaker 1: then bigger deer usually going nocturnal. So I've seen on
23:58
Speaker 1: the Powder River Facebook page that you guys have had
24:00
Speaker 1: like seven kills in the last week or so, and
24:02
Speaker 1: that's incredible. But what is the typical setup look like
24:06
Speaker 1: on those haunts? Are you hunting any mornings yet or
24:09
Speaker 1: is it strictly evenings and strictly food sources. That's you know,
24:13
Speaker 1: that's a typical thing. Like what we do here is
24:16
Speaker 1: it's strictly afternoon. Um. You know these white tails, you
24:20
Speaker 1: try to hunt the morning sets where you're going through
24:24
Speaker 1: the bedding area, you're trying to get into you know,
24:27
Speaker 1: through where they're going. It just puts that aspect of human,
24:32
Speaker 1: you know, human in there and it really ruins these sets.
24:35
Speaker 1: So we like to hunt them afternoon sets. Um of
24:39
Speaker 1: course early on food source. But now we're getting later,
24:43
Speaker 1: you know, we even we pushed the bed just a
24:46
Speaker 1: little bit where you're catching them the bigger, more mature
24:49
Speaker 1: deer you know, you know later because they're moving later.
24:52
Speaker 1: But with these like I said, with these storms, we've
24:55
Speaker 1: we've not had so much of that problem where we're
24:58
Speaker 1: still you know, we're killing off the field edges still. Well,
25:02
Speaker 1: would you say that the buck movement then, is um
25:05
Speaker 1: unique this time of year in late September versus other
25:08
Speaker 1: years or is this what you'd expect to see in
25:10
Speaker 1: late September. No, this wouldn't be what I would expect
25:14
Speaker 1: to see. This is kind of an odd year because
25:17
Speaker 1: I guess maybe the drought effected it early and then
25:19
Speaker 1: with this colder weather come in. But usually these especially
25:22
Speaker 1: these bigger mature deer, you know, they're they're day near
25:27
Speaker 1: to whether they're nocturnal where you know, you're you're only
25:30
Speaker 1: able to get them right on the edge of that
25:32
Speaker 1: that betting area. And so yeah, it's it's above you know,
25:36
Speaker 1: kind of an odd year as far as for it well,
25:39
Speaker 1: going forward in the next week or so in Montana,
25:42
Speaker 1: what do you think the dear activity will be a
25:44
Speaker 1: scale of one to tention, I think, you know, it
25:48
Speaker 1: would probably stay it's gonna stay average. I'd say about
25:52
Speaker 1: a five or six. You know, it's hard to tell
25:55
Speaker 1: right now with just because we're still getting this rain,
25:58
Speaker 1: which has been good for us as far as keeping
26:00
Speaker 1: them deer up. But if it decides to you know,
26:03
Speaker 1: change and warm up, you know, it could change that pattern.
26:06
Speaker 1: I mean, all of us know as it gets later
26:08
Speaker 1: like this, the bigger deer, you know, not till rout
26:11
Speaker 1: do they they really really show their show their you know,
26:15
Speaker 1: themselves into the shooting light periods. So I would say
26:19
Speaker 1: it's probably gonna stay about a five or six right there.
26:23
Speaker 1: All right, LEVI will thanks for joining me, and good
26:26
Speaker 1: luck the rest of fall, and I'll look forward to
26:27
Speaker 1: seeing more pictures from Powder River, all right. Thanks man,
26:32
Speaker 1: all right and joining us on the line. Last is
26:34
Speaker 1: Bow Mortonic, Pennsylvania, who's the field editor with the Journal
26:38
Speaker 1: of Mountain Hunting. Now Bow in Pennsylvania there, what would
26:42
Speaker 1: you say the deer activities men on skill of one
26:44
Speaker 1: to ten. Honestly, with the hot weather that we've been
26:48
Speaker 1: having recently, I would say it's around a four. Personally.
26:52
Speaker 1: It would be off of scouting and trail kim activity,
26:56
Speaker 1: with the reason being in Pennsylvania, so the most in
26:58
Speaker 1: the state. The season hasn't opened yet. It will open
27:01
Speaker 1: this Saturday, September, but in the area I live in
27:06
Speaker 1: currently in southwestern Pennsylvania there around the Pittsburgh area, it
27:11
Speaker 1: opened a couple of weekends ago. And although I haven't
27:14
Speaker 1: been out in the tree, Um after being on an
27:17
Speaker 1: elkin out west. Um. Everyone, I've talked to you that's
27:20
Speaker 1: coming to the archery shop I work at, and everything
27:23
Speaker 1: is is that has been extremely slow and a lot
27:26
Speaker 1: of hot weather I think has been Um. Pard to that. So, now,
27:30
Speaker 1: have you had any reports of e h D in
27:32
Speaker 1: that area or anything previously that's going to change your
27:36
Speaker 1: plans for fall? Yeah, it won't. It won't affect me
27:39
Speaker 1: as much. But in this area e h D has
27:43
Speaker 1: has seemed to hit a lot of a lot of
27:45
Speaker 1: the customers at the at the bow shop have came
27:47
Speaker 1: in and showed pictures of dead deer, They've founded water sources,
27:51
Speaker 1: and there's also been some some news articles in the
27:54
Speaker 1: in the local media talking about an e h D
27:57
Speaker 1: sweep through Washington in Allegheny Counties and and even in
28:01
Speaker 1: the Beaver County here in southwestern Pennsylvania. But where I
28:05
Speaker 1: personally hunt in uh north central Pennsylvania, that it won't
28:08
Speaker 1: It shouldn't affect me too much. So when you do
28:12
Speaker 1: get a chance to get out bowl, what is one
28:13
Speaker 1: of your typical setups look like right now? Um, as
28:17
Speaker 1: far as late for I'll talk a little bit about
28:21
Speaker 1: early season here. As far as what I'm gonna be
28:23
Speaker 1: doing for the opener because of where I normally hunting
28:26
Speaker 1: in the big woodsetting, there's no food plots or anything
28:30
Speaker 1: like that, even in the area on through limited oak trees,
28:34
Speaker 1: So I'll be focusing on apple trees. UM that will
28:38
Speaker 1: be the main focus here early in the season. And
28:43
Speaker 1: UH also a big crop that's in specific to north
28:47
Speaker 1: central Pennsylvania's cherry trees. So these cherry trees produced black cherries,
28:53
Speaker 1: and from what I've noticed this year, there's only been
28:56
Speaker 1: small areas and small bashes that are produced these little
28:59
Speaker 1: black cherry and the deer love them. Trial cameras are
29:02
Speaker 1: showing that there they're they're feeding in these areas quite
29:06
Speaker 1: a bit. Well. Both living in Pittsburgh, do you have
29:09
Speaker 1: any contexts that do any hunting UH in city limits
29:12
Speaker 1: or do you yourself do any urban hunting. I don't personally,
29:17
Speaker 1: I haven't received any permission yet to hunt some of
29:20
Speaker 1: these small plots of land inside the city limits. But
29:23
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of guys that that do
29:25
Speaker 1: do that and do do it regularly with success, and
29:30
Speaker 1: recently it's been they haven't had any luck yet early
29:33
Speaker 1: in the year where where normal. It takes some pretty
29:37
Speaker 1: extreme weather to UH to screw up some of those
29:40
Speaker 1: hunting situations, but so far it's been it's been too
29:44
Speaker 1: hot and not a lot of deer move and not
29:46
Speaker 1: a lot of sightings. So do you hear that their
29:48
Speaker 1: season progress is kind of similar to yours as far
29:51
Speaker 1: as the deer activity and the rut patterns, or is
29:55
Speaker 1: it very different than what you see? It depends. There's uh,
29:59
Speaker 1: it's it is like that they have a little bit
30:01
Speaker 1: more success earlier in the season than than I typically do.
30:05
Speaker 1: As far as um hunting a big wood setting versus
30:08
Speaker 1: more urban hunting, they once you get any kind of
30:12
Speaker 1: cold fronts, it seems like in the in the urban
30:14
Speaker 1: settings that they're moving a lot more, and since they're
30:17
Speaker 1: in such a smaller concentrated area, the sightings in the
30:21
Speaker 1: close encounters seem to amplify. Where in the big woods
30:26
Speaker 1: setting it's it's still unless you're extremely close to the
30:30
Speaker 1: to the betting areas, you're not seeing too much movement
30:32
Speaker 1: until mostly the latter part of October starts to heat up.
30:36
Speaker 1: There seems to be a good good swing there. Now
30:39
Speaker 1: going forward in Pennsylvania, what do you think the dear
30:41
Speaker 1: activity is going to be in this next week or
30:43
Speaker 1: so on a scale of one to ten, Well, looking
30:46
Speaker 1: at the weather, we are supposed to get a little
30:48
Speaker 1: bit cooler weather here coming up for the for the opener,
30:51
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that's gonna gonna jump things up, but
30:54
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it's spiking in
30:57
Speaker 1: any way. I would still say no better than a
31:00
Speaker 1: sex all right, bull Well, good luck and I hope
31:03
Speaker 1: that colder weather comes. Hey, thanks, good luck to you, Spencer.
31:08
Speaker 1: And that concludes this week's episode Wired Hunt's Rout Radio.
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