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Alice Bag: The Punk Rock Scene That Soundtracked a Serial Killer · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: This episode contains content that may be disturbing to some listeners.
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  Speaker 1: Please check the show notes for more information. Disgraceland is
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  Speaker 1: a production of Double Elvis. This is a story of
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  Speaker 1: how punk rock took root in Los Angeles just as
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  Speaker 1: a prolific serial killer began to terrorize the city. It's
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  Speaker 1: a story of an underground punk club where seminal LA
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  Speaker 1: bands like The Germs and The Bags got their start.
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  Speaker 1: And it's also about one of the regulars at that club,
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  Speaker 1: a regular who turned up dead, strangled, and dumped on
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  Speaker 1: a freeway off ramp near Griffith Park. It's a story
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  Speaker 1: about the murders of many young women, ten to be exact,
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  Speaker 1: all of them killed within the span of four months.
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  Speaker 1: The murderers sent Los Angeles into a paranoid frenzy, and
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  Speaker 1: it fortified the community of punk rockers, who found strength
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  Speaker 1: in numbers in the guidance of one of their protectors,
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  Speaker 1: Alice Bag of the Bags. Like many in the La
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  Speaker 1: punk scenes circa nineteen seventy seven, Alice Bag made great music.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike that clip I played for you at the top
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  Speaker 1: of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a
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  Speaker 1: preset loop from my melotron called Unpleasant Valley Sunday m
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  Speaker 1: K two. I played you that loop because I can't
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  Speaker 1: afford the rights to you light Up My Life by
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  Speaker 1: Debbie Boone. And why would I play you that specific
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  Speaker 1: slice of Pat Boone descendant Cheese? Could I afford it?
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  Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on
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  Speaker 1: November twenty third, nineteen seventy seven. And that was the
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  Speaker 1: day the twenty eight year old Jane King, a regular
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  Speaker 1: at LA's underground punk shows, was found dead, causing the
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  Speaker 1: local media to finally take notice of a killing spree
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  Speaker 1: that had been going on for weeks. This is the
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  Speaker 1: story of Alice Bag and Los Angeles punk rock being
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  Speaker 1: born in the shadow of the Hillside Strangler. I'm Jake
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  Speaker 1: Brennan and this is disgrace Land. There's a quote often
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  Speaker 1: attributed to Darthy Parker that goes, Los Angeles is seventy
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  Speaker 1: two suburbs in search of a city, which is kind
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  Speaker 1: of funny because, yes, although LA is defined by its sprawl,
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  Speaker 1: you don't typically think of the city having an identity crisis.
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles has long been pitched as the glitzy, glamorous,
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  Speaker 1: sun kissed flip side to New York City's gritty, mean streets.
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles is home to Hollywood, after all, and if
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  Speaker 1: you've gone Hollywood, you've leveled up big time to us
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  Speaker 1: all and sold out. New York had television and the
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  Speaker 1: talking Heads, in LA had Fleetwood Mac and Steey Dan.
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  Speaker 1: New York had de Velvet Underground, and LA had the
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  Speaker 1: fucking eagles Man. And in the late nineteen seventies, in LA,
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  Speaker 1: the titans of the entertainment industry, the Big three that's music, movies,
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  Speaker 1: and pornography, cavorted, canoodled, and did tons of blow at
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  Speaker 1: some of the shikiest and freakiest nightclubs in the entire country,
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  Speaker 1: spots like the Paradise and the Starwood, the Seven Seas,
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  Speaker 1: and the kick Kat. Most of these clubs were owned
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  Speaker 1: by the notorious La Crime dude Eddie Nash, where one
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  Speaker 1: could get down to a soundtrack of disco and what
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  Speaker 1: we now lovingly refer to as yacht rock. But what
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  Speaker 1: if you rejected the hedonist offerings that Eddie Nash and
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  Speaker 1: his ilk were serving up on silver platters. What if
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  Speaker 1: you were allergic to the dulcet tones of Captain and
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  Speaker 1: Janeil and al Stewart. What if your platonic idea of
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles was not a room full of herbs doing
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  Speaker 1: the disco duck, but instead was a collective of others, misfits, weirdos, outcasts,
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  Speaker 1: all of them brought together by something that wasn't plastic
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  Speaker 1: or artificial, but by something that was real, cultivated by
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  Speaker 1: real people, not by phony rock stars. They didn't want
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  Speaker 1: you to have this, and by they, I mean the
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  Speaker 1: ones running this town, Warner Brothers, Paramount CBS. Eddie Nash
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  Speaker 1: didn't want you do in your own thing. Eddie Nash
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  Speaker 1: wanted you doing his thing. Eddie Nash wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: you partying in his clubs and buying his overpriced and
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  Speaker 1: shitty water down drinks and snorting his cocaine, especially on
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  Speaker 1: his turf. Because the misfits, the weirdos, the outcasts, they
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  Speaker 1: set up camp just down Hollywood Boulevard from the seventh
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  Speaker 1: seas Eddie Nash is super macho, super hetero hotspot. Walk
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  Speaker 1: past Musso and Franks, bang a riot onto North Cherokee,
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  Speaker 1: and then let the smell of cigarette, stale beer and
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  Speaker 1: sweat guide you down an alley and into the basement
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  Speaker 1: directly below the Pussycat porn theater. This is where the
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  Speaker 1: Other La was happening, a room and a scene that
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  Speaker 1: you had to protect at any cost, even if it
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  Speaker 1: meant kicking the shit out of Tom Waits in front
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  Speaker 1: of the entire staff of the Troubadour to prove that
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  Speaker 1: you weren't fucking around. But I'm getting ahead of myself.
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  Speaker 1: My point is that the punk scene of Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: in the late nineteen seventies was different and strange and
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  Speaker 1: unlike anything you've been led to believe about the sprawling city.
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  Speaker 1: And because it was different, and because it was strange,
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  Speaker 1: it was identified by the status quo as dangerous. And
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  Speaker 1: because of that, as I said, it had to be
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  Speaker 1: protected at all costs. Alicia Armandaris have been preparing her
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  Speaker 1: whole life for this moment. She wasn't born to protector,
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  Speaker 1: she was made one. The gangs of East La weren't
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  Speaker 1: under any obligation to step in. When Alicia's father beat
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  Speaker 1: her mother with his belt in front of the entire
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and then dragged her back to their cockroach infested
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  Speaker 1: house by the hair, it was Alicia who stepped in.
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  Speaker 1: It was Alicia who got between her father the abuser
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  Speaker 1: and her mother the abused. Protection was necessary. Protection was
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  Speaker 1: life or death. Protecting yourself was another matter entirely. The
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  Speaker 1: urge to assimilate with white culture tugged at Alicia like
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  Speaker 1: a magnet, the desire to be called not Alicia but Alice.
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  Speaker 1: These small concessions they start to add up strip the
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  Speaker 1: person of their own identity, and Alicia of her rich
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  Speaker 1: Chakana heritage. But the bullies at school pushed her too far.
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  Speaker 1: They mocked how she looked and how she talked. She
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  Speaker 1: was heavier, she had darker skin. She pronounced words funny
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  Speaker 1: in whatever they could find. They attacked her with it.
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  Speaker 1: She had no choice but to protect herself. Words were
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  Speaker 1: no good. Words never won a battle. It had to
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  Speaker 1: be skin on skin. It was fist on face. Protection
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  Speaker 1: was a contact sport. It was violent. The bully that
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  Speaker 1: Alicia shoved up against the wall had a pen in
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  Speaker 1: her teeth when it happened, and the blood splurted fast
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  Speaker 1: with Alicia's hand pushed the pen into the back of
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  Speaker 1: the girl's throat. From that day, Alicia even had the
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  Speaker 1: respect to some of the hardest, most violent gangs. Watching
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  Speaker 1: the streets of East La Alicia Armandaris not only had
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  Speaker 1: the respect of the gangs, she had self respect. We
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  Speaker 1: didn't have to assimilate. Punk Rock taught her that punk
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  Speaker 1: rock gave her permission to be herself, even if that
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  Speaker 1: looked and sounded different from what most everyone else in
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  Speaker 1: LA was doing. So, when she began hanging out in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 1: gravitating to like minded misfits, weirdos, and outcasts, it was
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  Speaker 1: only natural that she did so as the punk rock
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  Speaker 1: scenes resident protector. Only now she wasn't Alicia anymore. She
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  Speaker 1: was Alice, Alice Douchebag that is, or more simply Alice Bag,
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  Speaker 1: protector of the Punks and leader of the Bags, one
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  Speaker 1: of the seminal bands at the heart of LA's late
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  Speaker 1: seventies counterculture. The Bags made loud, fast, take no prisoner's
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  Speaker 1: rock and roll, just as their song titles like We
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  Speaker 1: Will Bury You and Disco Is Dead can attest. And
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  Speaker 1: though you won't find the Bags on any taste making
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  Speaker 1: lists like Rolling Stone's recent one hundred Greatest Punk Albums
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  Speaker 1: of All Time, at this very brief moment in time,
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  Speaker 1: this very specific scene, they were a guiding light. Alice
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  Speaker 1: Baggs on stage, charisma and energy were infectious, as was
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  Speaker 1: the way, and was she easily morphed into an altar ego.
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  Speaker 1: Every la punk in nineteen seventy seven was becoming someone else.
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  Speaker 1: It was a rite of passage. Jean Paul Beam became
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  Speaker 1: Bobby Pinned, and then Darby Crash, co founder of the Germs,
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  Speaker 1: along with his friend George Ruthenberg who is now going
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  Speaker 1: by Pat Smear. And there was Helen Killer, Donna Rhea,
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  Speaker 1: Jane Dreno. And in nineteen seventy seven, all these newly
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  Speaker 1: christened punks were hanging out in the basement of a
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  Speaker 1: building in Hollywood at a small club that welcomed their eccentricities.
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  Speaker 1: The punk rock club, known as The Mask, was a
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  Speaker 1: former bomb shelter. It was opened in the summer of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven by a Scottish transplant named Brendan Mulley.
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  Speaker 1: There was little ventilation, no dress code. Anyone was welcomed.
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  Speaker 1: On any given night, it would not be unusual to
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  Speaker 1: see leather jackets, black gloves, blue eyeshadows, spray painted shirts,
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  Speaker 1: white fruit of the loom tank tops, polyester button downs
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  Speaker 1: from sears, studded belts, dye jobs, flattops, crew cuts, mohawks
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  Speaker 1: and bags. Alice Bag and her band, the Bags, wore
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  Speaker 1: paper bags over their heads. That was their thing. They
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  Speaker 1: didn't have an arturo vega curating their image like the
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  Speaker 1: Ramones did back in New York, so they had to
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  Speaker 1: get creative with self styling. Alice bassist Patricia Morrison aka
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  Speaker 1: Patricia Delicia, guitarist Janet Kootz and jizu X, and drummer
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  Speaker 1: Joe Nanini used markers and scissors to decorate them. The Bags,
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  Speaker 1: both the band and the cheap image they brought to
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  Speaker 1: the mass tiny stage were a statement, a middle finger
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  Speaker 1: thrust in the face of the Hollywood establishment, the bullies,
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  Speaker 1: the Eddie Nashes, the big business of Hollywood. They were
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  Speaker 1: all put on notice. Alice Bag and her band were
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  Speaker 1: the first first line of protection against corporate rock and
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  Speaker 1: disco cheese. But the real threat that Alice Bag was
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  Speaker 1: up against was not, in fact, Captain Antonia or Alice Stewart,
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  Speaker 1: or even Sean Cassidy or the fucking Eagles. It was
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  Speaker 1: the darkness and the danger that the mask in the
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  Speaker 1: La Punk scenes open door policy led in right under
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  Speaker 1: all of their noses, a darkness and danger capable of
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  Speaker 1: just about anything. Even murder. Jane King was a twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight year old aspiring actress doing what she did every
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday night after her acting class. She was sitting on
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  Speaker 1: a bench at the corner of Franklin Avenue in North Bronson,
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  Speaker 1: waiting for the bus to take her back to her
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  Speaker 1: apartment in West Hollywood. It was just after eleven pm.
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  Speaker 1: The lateness of the hour did not face her, neither
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  Speaker 1: did the footsteps that she could now hear approaching where
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  Speaker 1: she sat all alone. She hadn't heard about the sex
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  Speaker 1: workers whose bodies have been discovered in different locations over
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  Speaker 1: the last month. No one had heard about it, and
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  Speaker 1: the papers didn't run stories on dead sex workers. So
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  Speaker 1: Jane King didn't tense up when those footsteps approaching from
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  Speaker 1: afar became louder until the owner of those footsteps, a
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  Speaker 1: man around Jane's age, was standing right next to her.
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  Speaker 1: Another night, another pair of feet belonging to another random
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  Speaker 1: dude heading in her general direction. Wasn't weird, It was usual, Actually,
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  Speaker 1: it was the norm. Jane was beautiful, she was tall, blonde,
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  Speaker 1: and she got this sort of attention all the time,
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  Speaker 1: even at the Mask, the punk rock club just a
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  Speaker 1: mile and a half away, which she was known to frequent,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes with her ex Rick Wilder, the singer in the
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  Speaker 1: Berlin Brats. Some would say that Jane, with her classic
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  Speaker 1: good looks, seemed out of place in a punk venue
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  Speaker 1: hanging out without gasts, but then that was the point.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was out of place in LA's punk underground. Was handsome.
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  Speaker 1: He struck up a conversation, and moments later a Cadillac
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  Speaker 1: pulled up and stopped, and behind the wheel was the
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  Speaker 1: man's cousin. They asked Jane if she wanted to ride home.
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  Speaker 1: She hesitated. That's when the handsome man flashed a badge lapd.
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  Speaker 1: Jane had nothing to worry about, they said. Jane reconsidered.
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  Speaker 1: It was late and she was tired, and these two
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  Speaker 1: seemed normal, and there were cops, or so they said.
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  Speaker 1: So she thanked them and accepted their offer, climbing into
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  Speaker 1: the caddy's backseat. Jane King would never make it back
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  Speaker 1: to West Hollywood. Instead, she would wind up in Glendale
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  Speaker 1: at a bungalow belonging to the handsome man, a man
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  Speaker 1: named Kenneth Bianchi. But soon when the papers finally did
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  Speaker 1: start reporting on the seemingly connected murders of young women
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  Speaker 1: around Los Angeles. The public would know Bianki by another name,
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  Speaker 1: the Hillside Strangler. In the fall of nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: months after the arrest of David Berkowitz aka New York
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  Speaker 1: City son of Sam Fear, hitched a ride out West,
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  Speaker 1: Los Angeles now had its own serial killer to contend with.
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  Speaker 1: Down in Los Pheelis, investigators were pulling Jane King's body
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  Speaker 1: from the bushes near an off ramp on the Golden
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  Speaker 1: State Freeway. The manner of death, the strangulation, the ligature
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  Speaker 1: marks the sexual assault. It was the same thing the
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  Speaker 1: cops had seen in the recent murders of nineteen year
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  Speaker 1: old Yolanda Washington, seen year old Judith Miller in twenty
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  Speaker 1: one year old Lisa Caston murders, which had all occurred
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  Speaker 1: within the span of the last few weeks. But it
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  Speaker 1: was the discovery of Jane King's body on November twenty third,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, coming just days after three more female
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  Speaker 1: victims had been found, including a twelve and fourteen year old,
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  Speaker 1: that caused the press to finally take notice the news
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  Speaker 1: of the Hillside stranglers growing murder spree. He sent Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles into full panic. Mode, sales of firearms skyrocketed, self
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  Speaker 1: defense classes sold out. Not since the Manson murders some
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  Speaker 1: eight years prior had the city been so on edge.
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  Speaker 1: In LA's punk underground, quite literally underground. At the Mask,
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  Speaker 1: the latest music reflected the state of affairs happening in
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  Speaker 1: the city at large. It was as loud as the
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  Speaker 1: headlines that announced the next Hillside strangler's victim. It was
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  Speaker 1: as relentless as the fear and paranoia that was gripping
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  Speaker 1: La in its constructive hands. Then it was violent, not
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  Speaker 1: out of malice or hate, but because violence as a
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  Speaker 1: reaction was just another word for protection. On stage, Alice
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  Speaker 1: Bag was in her element, Mike in hand, a paper
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  Speaker 1: bag over her head. Something came over her at this moment,
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  Speaker 1: as it always threw, she was being controlled by something
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  Speaker 1: outside of herself, some antiquated force deep in the bones
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  Speaker 1: of human history, a force that she couldn't see or
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  Speaker 1: even explain, but which no one here in the space
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  Speaker 1: beneath North Cherokee and Brendan Mullin's punk rock Club the
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  Speaker 1: Mask could ever possibly deny. Alice Bag was chaos. Alice
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  Speaker 1: Bag was defiance. Alice Bag was safety in a red
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  Speaker 1: t shirt, bright green stockings and heels. Get behind her,
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  Speaker 1: follow her, She'll protect you. The memories were top of mind.
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  Speaker 1: Her father violently lashing out at her mother, the kids
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  Speaker 1: at school try to keep her quiet and afraid with
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  Speaker 1: their own violence. White Fence, vari Nuevo Estrada, Little Valley,
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  Speaker 1: the Torcano, gangs who saw a kindred spirit in her eyes,
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  Speaker 1: the same gangs who claimed another innocent victim caught in
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  Speaker 1: that day's explosive crossfire. La was a violent place, and
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  Speaker 1: punk rock was the child of violence. Rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: was Link Ray writing an instrumental that sounded so much
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  Speaker 1: like a bloody teenage brawl that it was banned from
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  Speaker 1: the radio. It was Dave Davies taking a switchblade to
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  Speaker 1: his guitar amplifier and slashing it from end to end.
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  Speaker 1: It was Jerry Lee Lewis lighting his piano on fire,
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  Speaker 1: daring Chuck Berry to step onto the smoldering stage. Tonight's
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  Speaker 1: stage was barely a stage, standing just a few inches
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  Speaker 1: off the ground. It was merely a suggestion of the
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  Speaker 1: dividing line between performer and audience and defining characteristic of
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  Speaker 1: the communal aspect of the punk and hardcore scenes. The
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  Speaker 1: lack of separation was underscored when Bobby Pin of the
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  Speaker 1: Germs drunkenly surged forward and grabbed at Alice's face. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted that paper bag. He wanted to rip it off
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  Speaker 1: her head to Shrinning. The music, the speed and the
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  Speaker 1: volume of it, the ferocity of it, it did things
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  Speaker 1: to a person not reasta all to Alice. Bag Alice
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  Speaker 1: welcomed Bobby Pinn's attack. It made her feel like a
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  Speaker 1: little girl again, clinging to her mother's leg, inserting herself
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  Speaker 1: between her two parents, staving off a fatal blow to
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  Speaker 1: the head. Bobby Pin's shock of violence reminded Alice that
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  Speaker 1: she was a protector. It was September tenth, nineteen seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: the Bag's first gig at the Mask. Members of the
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  Speaker 1: Germs and the Weirdos were there in attendance, perhaps alongside
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  Speaker 1: members of X or the Plimsuls, the Motels or the
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  Speaker 1: alley Cats, maybe the Zeros or the Screamers or the Tupperwares,
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  Speaker 1: or even the Nuns from up north in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 1: or the Dills from down in carlsbag Alice's then boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Weirdo's drummer Jeffrey Viisitch aka Nicky Beat for once not
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  Speaker 1: having to fill in for the Bags rotating roster of
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  Speaker 1: players looked on as Alice did battle with Body. Then
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  Speaker 1: before long, Belinda Carlyle aka Dotty Danger, one time drummer
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  Speaker 1: for the Terms, would be watching from the wings, wearing
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  Speaker 1: nothing but a giant black trash bag decorated with pins.
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  Speaker 1: The next year, when Belinda ditched the Dotty Danger alter
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  Speaker 1: ego to co found the Go Gos, Alice couldn't help
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  Speaker 1: but feel like she'd missed an opportunity. She'd always wanted
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  Speaker 1: The Bags to be an all female group, something like
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  Speaker 1: The Runaways. In fact, before the Bags were the Bags, Alice,
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  Speaker 1: Patricia and their friend Marlene had auditioned for The Runaways.
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  Speaker 1: Infamous manager Kim Foley and the notorious Vengali was assembling
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  Speaker 1: another female rock band, more young, impressionable minds that he
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  Speaker 1: could manipulate and exploit. But Alice was not exploitable. She
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  Speaker 1: was not just another piece of clay from Kim Foley
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  Speaker 1: to mold, nor was she Sharie Curry or Jone Jet.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that she was better than those
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  Speaker 1: two Runaways. I'm just saying that she couldn't even figure
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  Speaker 1: out all the chords to a single runaway song. Alice
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  Speaker 1: was built different, She was wired different. She was where
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  Speaker 1: she was supposed to be, part of a counterculture that
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  Speaker 1: she'd been protecting since even before she played her first show,
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  Speaker 1: A counterculture that wanted to be seen, even if they
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  Speaker 1: spent their nights hidden underground, A counterculture that welcomed anyone,
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  Speaker 1: even dudes as members of the Bags, Dudes like Bobby Pitt,
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  Speaker 1: who eventually got what he wanted when he ripped the
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  Speaker 1: paper bag from Alice's head while she performed on stage.
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  Speaker 1: The Bags show has became increasingly violent. Fights amongst the
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  Speaker 1: crowd were commonplace, Noses broken in mouths bloodied, all of that.
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  Speaker 1: And sure, a lot of it was kids, punks, disenfranchised
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  Speaker 1: youth working out deep seated issues of anger and frustration
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  Speaker 1: with their particular lot in life. But this was Los
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  Speaker 1: Angeles in nineteen seventy seven, and there was a deranged
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  Speaker 1: killer on the loose, a killer who had taken the
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  Speaker 1: lives of seven women already, including Jane King, who'd been
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  Speaker 1: a regular at the Mask. But what else could one
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: do besides seek refuge deep underground, where Alice Bag and her,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: small yet mighty army had your back. By the time
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: the tenth body was found, it was beginning to look
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: like there was more than one hillside strangler. A witness
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  Speaker 1: had reported seeing two men drag eighteen year old college
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: student Lauren Wagner from her car on the evening of
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: November twenty eighth, nineteen seventy seven. The same witness also
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: said that the men appeared to be police officers. That
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: last detail ramped up the already heightened sense of paranoia
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: in the city. Because of it, women in Los Angeles
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: were told they no longer had to pull over their
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: vehicles for police cruiser. Instead, they were instructed to drive
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  Speaker 1: themselves home, where they could call the police and verify
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  Speaker 1: that the cruiser trying to pull them over was in
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fact an actual cop. I swear to God this actually happened.
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  Speaker 1: The following morning, November twenty ninth, as this new rule
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: for female drivers was put into place, Lauren Wagner's body
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: was found dumped on the west side of Mount Washington.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Attention was at a fever pitch the city sex workers,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in particular, they were on high a learn it wasn't
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: safe to walk the streets anymore. Escort work was much safer,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and so it was through an escort service that seventeen
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: year old Kimberly Martin was connected with her latest client.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: She left her son Set Boulevard apartment and made her
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: way to the address in Hollywood that she'd been given,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and when she arrived, she was a bit taken aback
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: first by the fact that the place looked empty, as
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: though no one actually lived there. But there was not
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: one man waiting for her, as she had expected, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: two men. The blood curdling screams that followed fell on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: deaf years, and the next morning, December fourteenth, Kimberly Martin's
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  Speaker 1: nude and strangled body was found on a hillside in
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  Speaker 1: Silver Lake, Or on a clear, smogless day to see
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: all the way to Los Angeles City Hall. We'll be
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: right back after this. We're, We're, We're. Brendan Mullen had
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about Jane King in the week
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: since her murder back in November of nineteen seventy seven.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: The fact that she frequented his club made all this
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: hillside strangler boogeyman bullshit strike way closer to home than
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: it would have otherwise. It was also impossible not to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: think about the killers latest victim, Kimberly Martin, about how
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the neighbors had heard her scream in that empty Hollywood
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: apartment but didn't do anything about it. At the time
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Mullin's club, the mask was not empty like that Hollywood apartment.
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  Speaker 1: But it would be all too easy for someone to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: overwhelm a woman down here and the shadows away from
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the throng, and for the women's subsequent shrieks to be
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: drown out by an ear splitting performance by the germs
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: or the Bags. And so Brendan Mullen came to think
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: about the protection of the community that gathered nightly at
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: his punk rock club. Yes, Alice Bag was formidable, Yes
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Alice Bag was loyal, and yes Alice Bagg standing in
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: the pair of heels she bought at Frederick's of Hollywood. Well,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: she was also tall, But with a serial killer still
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: at large, everyone would feel a little safer if there
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: was some added muscle in menace to keep an eye
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: on things. This is how Brendan Mullin came to hire
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  Speaker 1: a six four, three hundred and fifty pounds security guard.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: The guard was called Tiny, a nickname meant to inject
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the little levity into the whole situation, and it did,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: but Tiny's presence was a nightly reminder of the threat
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that continued to loom over every facet of everyday life,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: including knights out at the punk rock club were letting
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: your guard down and giving yourself over to the music
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: was never meant to be an overture to getting yourself killed.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: The Hillside Strangler or stranglers, as the cops and the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: press now assumed, were on everyone's worried mind in Los
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Angeles as nineteen seventy seven gave way to nineteen seventy eight.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: The punk rockers were no exception, and there was even
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a short lived band on the scene at the time,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: f Word, which had begun performing a new song called
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Hillside Strangler. Protection was paramount, and there was strength in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: numbers and best to stick together and ride out the
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: crime wave. As a group. Many of the mass regulars
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: moved into the nearby Canterbury apartments, and they did so
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: for three reasons. One, the Canterbury was only a block
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: from the Mask, Two the rent was dirt cheap, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: three the building's manager did not look upon punk culture
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: with the same kind of disdain and disgust as many
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: others did. These weren't shiftless layabouts. Alice Bag for one,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: worked a day job as a trainer at Jack Lelane's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: gym in Montebello. So Alice, her boyfriend, Nikki beat Belinda Carlisle,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Belinda's soon to be bandmate, Jane Widland aka Jane Dreno
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: in All kinds of the usual suspects you'd catch at
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Brendan Mullins Club on any given night were now populating
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: every floor of the nearby Canterbury apartments. But life at
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the Canterbury wasn't all light. Darkness was creeping in, just
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: like the darkness had been creeping into the Mask and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: into just about every neighborhood in Los Angeles proper for months.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: One of Alice's roommates was shooting out dolatted and was
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: about to move on to heroin. Later she would convince
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Alice to shoot junk with her, but at the moment
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: this was as close to the drug as Alice would
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: let herself get. If the needle itself didn't scare you,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: there was suspecter of addiction, and then after addiction came
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the debts. Alice's other roommate owed money to dealers who
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: were keen to get paid by any means necessary. Every
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: knock now elicited a high storm response. On the other
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: side of that door could be a friendly face, someone
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: from one of the bands you were on the bill
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: with later that night, or it could be one devil
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: or another coming to get his due. But it wasn't
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the devil that came for the mask. It was the
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: city of Los Angeles. On January fourteenth, nineteen seventy eight,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: fire marshals shut down the punk club for code violations,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: something about poor ventilation and lack of egress, in other words,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: lack of protection. It was a time of change. Giza
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: X and Joe Nanini were fired from the Bags, Johnny
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Nation and Ricky Styx were hired as their replacements. At
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a Bag's gig in San Francisco, said Vicious in town
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: with sex Pistols stumbled on stage and draped his junkie
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: arm around Alice's neck. In doing so, he gave the
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: La up Starts the UK's ringing endorsement. But it was
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a story told by someone who had soon date a
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: different bassist in a different UK punk band that reminded
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Alice Bag why she felt the need to protect this
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: little scene that was feeling more and more fragile at
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: every turn. In nineteen seventy nine, San Francisco based Pearl E.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Gates aka Pearl Harbor would release her self titled debut
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: album with her band Pearl Harbor and the Explosions. Shortly thereafter,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: she would perform Wanda Jackson's Fujiyama Mama on stage with
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: The Clash in Tokyo, and before long marry the band's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: bass player Paul Simmonin. But before all that, there was
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Pearls story as told to Alice Bag, and it went
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: something like this. Pearl Harbor was leaving the Whiskey on
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip, and as she walked along the sidewalk,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: she could hear a car slowly following her from behind.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: She shot a glance over her shoulder. Two men, one
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: behind the wheel and another riding shotgun her pulse in
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: her feet quicking. The car lurched fullard and he brake squealed.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: The driver jumped out. He was wearing a policeman's uniform.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Pearl thought of what she happened to be wearing, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: then it all made sense. Her miniskirt, her fishnet stockings,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: total punk provocation, and no doubt this cop here had
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: mistaken her for a sex worker. She tried to explain,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: but it was of no use, and she was man
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: handled into the back of the unmarked car. Then they
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: were off. The driver couldn't keep his mouth shut. He
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: told Pearl she was a cheap wore, a slut, and
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: they would teach her a lesson. Now Pearl really began
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to panic. She knew they were going to kill her.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: She could hear it in their voices, and she begged
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: them not to do it. She begged them to stop
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the car and let her out. Please just please, just stop.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor couldn't be so sure when the unmark carr
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: pulled over to the side of the road and the
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: two men finally let her go. Seconds had long since
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: turned into minutes and minutes into hours. But later, when
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: she told this story to Alice, and then even beyond that,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: when it was revealed that the two men driving around
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles and strangling young women often posed as police officers,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: clarity came fast. Pearl Harbor was positive that she had
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: taken a ride with the Hillside stranglers and lived to
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: talk about it. Ten other women in Los Angeles wouldn't
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: be so lucky, including a twenty year old waitress named
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Cindy Hutsmith. The Orange Dotson was found some fifty feet
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: down in embankment off the Angelus Crest Highway due north
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of Downtown LA stuffed inside the trunk. Police found the body.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It was February seventeenth, nineteen seventy eight, one month since
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: the Fire Marshal had shut down the mask in two
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: months since the last victim of the hillside stranglers had
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: been discovered. The previous afternoon, the Dotson was tooling around
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Glendale with Cindy Hutsbeth and the driver's sea. She'd worked
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: her ass off to afford the Dotson. She earned the money,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: she made the down payment, and for the first time
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: in her life, she had her own vehicle, her own apartment.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: In a new found sense of freedom, it was close
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: to quitting time when she pulled into the upholstery shop
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: in Glendale. The idea was to get a quote on
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: some work to customize the Dotson's interior make the car
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: more her own. She found the owner, a man in
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: his forties. He was helpful, even though It was obvious
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that he was annoyed that she walked in just as
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: she was about to close up. But it changed when
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: the door to the shop swung open and another man
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: walked inside. This guy was younger, twenty something. It was
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: obvious that the two men knew each other. Cindy had
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: no idea that they were cousins. She also had no
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: idea that these were the same two men who had
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: given Jane King a ride home when she was waiting
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: for her bus late one night some three months prior. Furthermore,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: she did not know their names, Angelo Buono Junior and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Bianchi. She was unaware that Buono's little upholstery shop
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: was more than an upholstery shop. It was hell. It
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: was a shop of horrors where unspeakable crimes were being
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: carried out against young women week after week and month
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: after month. Sexual assault, torture, strangulation, murder. Cyndy Hudspeth would
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: never drive her Orange Dotson again. Instead, she would take
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: her last breath here in this upholstery shop, and at
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: that moment, Bono and Beyonce, who claimed their tenth victim.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: For ten months following the murderer, Cindi Hudsmith in February
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight. Los Angeles held its collective breath ten
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: months waiting for the Hillside Stranglers to strike again. But
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: there were no more bodies for the public to gossip
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of them, and there were no more clues or leads
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: for the cops to follow. There was only fraught anticipation,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: endless dread, and an increasingly false sense of security. You
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: were either on constant lookout for a new and improved
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: way to protect yourself, or you were slowly ould into
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the idea that there was nothing left to protect. Alice
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Bag was going through a similar crisis of faith. The
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: violence that had been building up at Bag shows was
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: now spilling into her personal life. Soon she and Nicky
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Beat would break up, a split punctuated by a metal
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: belt buckle, which Alice used to strike Nicky in the face.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Things weren't quite that extreme yet, but they were getting there.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Someone was setting fires in the Canterbury The Mask was
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: scrambling to find a new location for the small but
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: mighty punk community to call home, and one of the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: newest members of the Bags, either Johnny Nation or Ricky Styx,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: was stealing from the rest of the group, so Johnny
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and Ricky were out, and once again Nicky was sitting
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: in as the Bag's drummer. And it was this lineup
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that soon got the call up to perform at a
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: music industry institution. No punk band had ever played Doug
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Weston's Troubadour, the venue on Santa Monica Boulevard that had
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: launched the careers of Elton John Jackson Brown and The
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Fucking Eagles in nineteen seventy eight. The Bags were the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: first punk band to grace the Troubadour's stage, and they
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: would also be the last for some time. Alice wasn't
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: surprised to see singer songwriter Tom Waits in the crowd
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: at the Troubadour. Word around tow was a Tom Like
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: many a player in the Los Angeles music ecosystem, had
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: an interest in Alice's group, The Bags, perhaps a perverse interest,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: but an interest nonetheless. The attention was flattering, but it
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: was also kind of meaningless too, because why would it
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: matter whether Tom Waits liked him or not? How would
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it help allowed fast and violent punk group to make
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: nice for the guy who was on the same record
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: label as Linda Ronstadt. Judy Sill and warren Zevon, but
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: there was Tom Straight from the corner of Heartbreak and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: vine front row pork pie hat lung dart four sheets
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: to the wind, Tom Troubert's style. Alice was almost impressed
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that he'd actually made it, but Nicky Beat was not
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: impressed in the least. Nicky Beat had caught another word
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: around town, this one in which Tom Waits fancied Alice
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: for himself and declared Nicky a dipshet. So before the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Bags began their unprecedented set, Nicky Beat grabbed the microphone,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: looked first row sitting Tom Waits in the eye and
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: called him an asshole and a cunt. And then the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Bags started playing. The troubadour was pandemonia, people hanging from
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the rafters, glasses and chairs tossed wildly in the air,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: and the place was trashed, and the punks weren't biting
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: the hand that fed them, they were gnawing it off
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: at the wrist. And after the show it became clear
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen next. Alice watched a troubadour
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: staff hustle everyone out, everyone except for the Bags, Tom
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Waits and a couple of the street smart, street tough
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: people that he was rowing with. Tom Waits and his
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: guys surrounded Nicky Beat. It wasn't clear to Alice who
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: threw the first punch, but once cooler heads prevailed, Once
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and Niki were pulled off of each other, Doug Weston
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: had already come to his inevitable conclusion. The Bags would
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: never play his club again, and neither would any other
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: La Punk band for that matter, at least not for
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: a long long time. The grand social experiment of the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Bags at the Troubadour reinforced Alice bags reluctance to compromise
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: her artistic values or to assimilate just for the sake
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: of being part of a more popular club. Besides, there
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: are all these people in the punk scene, people just
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: like her, the misfits, the weirdos, the olcasts, and they
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: needed her. Tom Waits did not need her. But as
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the months wore on, it became obvious that Alice needed
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: to protect herself above all else. There were more bands
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: from more clubs like Madame Wong's, which blacklisted the Bags
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: for causing a riot. There was more follow like when
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: filmmaker Penelope Spheres captured the La Punk scene in the
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: excellent documentary The Decline of Western Civilization, a doc which
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: preceded the breakup of The Bags when former band member
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Patricia Morrison tried to block its release by claiming she
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: owned the copyright to the Bag's name. This is why
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: The Bags are credited in the documentary as the Alice
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Bag Band. But I digress, and of course, there were
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: more drugs, specifically the aforementioned heroin, which was creeping back
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: into Alice's life when she joined a new band called
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: The Castration Squad along with her roommate, that roommate being
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the one who finally convinced Alice to shoot up so
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: in order to save herself from self destruction and any
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: collateral damage sustained by the oncoming implosion of the La
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: punk scene, a scene which splintered into the emerging genres
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: of new wave in eighties pop. Alice Bagg left the
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Canterbury Left the Punks that went home to her parents'
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: place in East la In nineteen eighty four, Alice Bag
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: earned her bachelor's degree in philosophy and began teaching kindergarten.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: That was the same year that one of the two
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Hillside stranglers, Kenneth Bianki was sentenced to life in prison
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: five years earlier. In January nineteen seventy nine, Bianki had
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: finally been caught and placed under arrest for the murders
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: of two young women in Bellingham, Washington. At the time,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it had been nearly a year since the strangler's last
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: victim was discovered. Bianchi confessed to the Washington murders as
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: well as some of the La murders, but his confession
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: came with the admission that he'd done so with the
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: help of his adoptive cousin, Angelo Buono Junior. Buono was
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: also eventually sentenced to life just months before Bianchi, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: then it seemed LA's long nightmare was over. However, a
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: new nightmare was just beginning, because as the Hillside stranglers
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: were being walked out of the courtroom and into a
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: prison where they'd live out the rest of their days,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: another force of evil took to the streets to the
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: city of Angels. A six foot tall man with eyes
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: as black as his hair amble through the streets of
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: La with the devil's business on his brain. Soon the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: city would realize that it was once again being held
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: in the grip of a homicidal maniac because evil, just
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: like punk rock, and just like rock and roll, is
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: repetitive by nature. There is a cycle LA takes in
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: these people and they are recycled out for the next
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: coming wave. And there go the bags, and here comes
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Black Flag, and there go the Hillside Stranglers, and here
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: comes Richard Ramirez, the Knight Stock. I'm Jake Brennan and
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this is Disgrace.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Slanted Hard guys, thanks for checking out this disgrace Une episode.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: On Alice Bag. Hit me up and let me know
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: what other foundational artists from seminal underground scenes should we
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: know about. Alice Bag obviously not a household name by
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: any stretch, but super important to the scene that she
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: came from. Give us other examples six one, seven, nine, six,
• 41:15
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