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IFH 799: What Every Indie Filmmaker Can Learn from a $5K Zombie Movie with Bojan Dulabic · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 2: today's episode with guest host Dave Bullis.
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  Speaker 5: Tuining me today is Boon Dulabic. Boyon is a Vancouver
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  Speaker 5: filmmaker and he just really he's the zombie feature film
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  Speaker 5: project jugenics Bollyon, How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 4: Good? Good? Thank you for having me my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's my pleasure. You know.
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  Speaker 5: We met through Jason Brubaker's site. I ended up meeting
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  Speaker 5: so many people because of Jason. I should really give
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  Speaker 5: him a producer credit. For this podcast.
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  Speaker 6: It's a he's a great resource man. I've written a
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  Speaker 6: few articles for his blog and yeah, he's a great guy,
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  Speaker 6: great guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And the article that got us introduced, so to speak,
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  Speaker 5: was the article he wrote called how I made a
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  Speaker 5: zombie film for five thousand dollars. And at first when
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  Speaker 5: I saw that, you know, I thought Jason may have
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  Speaker 5: wrote that, and I was like, wow, Jason made another
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  Speaker 5: zombie film. And I said, oh wait, it's this guy Bollyon,
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  Speaker 5: he just wrote it. I started to learn more about you. So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, that's what we're going to talk about this
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  Speaker 5: podcast is. You know, I'm sure a lot of people
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  Speaker 5: probably saw that and was thinking, my god, how do
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  Speaker 5: you make a zombie film for five thousand dollars, let
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  Speaker 5: alone a feature zombie film?
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  Speaker 3: You know, five thousand dollars? So Bullyan get started. You know,
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  Speaker 3: how did you get into the film industry?
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  Speaker 5: Me?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah? Oh man, that goes back a long time. You
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  Speaker 6: know how every filmmaker has this story. You know, when
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  Speaker 6: I was seven, my daddy bought me a camera and
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  Speaker 6: you know, I started filming and I started to think
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  Speaker 6: about that, how did it actually happen with me? And
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  Speaker 6: I realized it actually goes as far back as when
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  Speaker 6: I was five years old. I'm originally from Bosnia, which
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  Speaker 6: is in eastern Europe, and my mom actually had her
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  Speaker 6: own store and in there she also had a video
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  Speaker 6: store at the time, and so obviously, you know, I
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  Speaker 6: was I think I was around five. I started watching
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  Speaker 6: movies and it was all Hollywood movies and I loved it, right,
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  Speaker 6: And so in nineteen ninety there was a war in
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  Speaker 6: Bosnia and we moved to Germany and lived there as refugees,
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  Speaker 6: and I just, you know, I just loved movies. But
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  Speaker 6: not just movies. I mean, I think every kid loves movies.
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  Speaker 6: I love to watch making off you know. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: back then we're talking early nineties, there was no internet,
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  Speaker 6: there was no YouTube, you know, so finding out how
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  Speaker 6: movies were made it was not that easy. So luckily
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  Speaker 6: there was some show so I would as much as
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  Speaker 6: I could. And then in nineteen ninety eight, we moved
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  Speaker 6: to Croatia because I'm Croatian from Bosnia, so we moved
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  Speaker 6: there and we lived there for three years, and then
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  Speaker 6: we moved to Canada. And it was in Canada in
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  Speaker 6: high school Winnipeg, City of Winnipeg where I really developed
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  Speaker 6: an interest for acting and for filmmaking. And it was
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  Speaker 6: I was in grade ten, and yeah, I just loved it.
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  Speaker 6: I you know, I started with simple slide shows and
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  Speaker 6: I did my first short film in I think it
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  Speaker 6: was my grade twelve class English class. It was a
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  Speaker 6: creative project and you know, I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 6: feel like doing another paper, and I was like.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, man, can I make a movie? And my teacher
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  Speaker 4: was like, sure, why not? And so I did.
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  Speaker 6: And that was really when I started doing it and
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  Speaker 6: got more and more into it. Then I started doing
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  Speaker 6: videography for actually the school division that my high school
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  Speaker 6: was part of at that time. They they saw some
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  Speaker 6: of my stuff that I was doing and because for
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  Speaker 6: whatever project school project that, you know, if I could
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  Speaker 6: do a video about it, I would, you know. And
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  Speaker 6: so my teachers kind of, you know, gotten to know
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  Speaker 6: my my filmmaking abilities and all that stuff. And so
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  Speaker 6: it started there. And then I went to the University
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  Speaker 6: of Winnipeg studying theater. Didn't do any I didn't take
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  Speaker 6: any film courses or anything. Everything when it comes to
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  Speaker 6: filmmaking was pretty much self taught, you know.
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  Speaker 4: By making a lot of mistakes, you know, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: you know how it goes.
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  Speaker 6: And then in two thousand and seven, I moved to Vancouver,
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  Speaker 6: where I am now to you know, pursue acting and filmmaking.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, and you know, I just kept doing short films,
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  Speaker 6: you know, my my YouTube channel, web shows, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. And then in twenty twelve, I
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  Speaker 6: finally decided I'm going to make my first feature, which
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  Speaker 6: was a comedy at the time, and that one I
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  Speaker 6: actually made for four thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: It was even less, but it was a lot simpler.
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  Speaker 6: It was said mostly in one location, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: talking heads kind of comedy. And yeah, when that one
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  Speaker 6: was done, because I'm a you know, zombie nerd and
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  Speaker 6: sci fi and horror geek, you know, I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 4: You know what, I think I can do this.
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  Speaker 6: Initially, I actually, uh my goal was to make this
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  Speaker 6: movie for three thousand dollars, but you know, I realized, okay,
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  Speaker 6: that's I'm pushing it with five, but with three, I'm
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  Speaker 6: really that's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, then you know.
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  Speaker 6: In uh when was it early twenty late twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 6: early twenty fourteen, around there, I had this idea for
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  Speaker 6: you know, this the zombie flick, and started writing and
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  Speaker 6: by this summer or was it, yeah, bye, by late
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  Speaker 6: summer of twenty fourteen, I had my you know, first
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  Speaker 6: draft and then I started you know, started thinking about
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  Speaker 6: casting and all that. Started casting in October ish of
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  Speaker 6: twenty fourteen, and November first we started shooting. So it
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  Speaker 6: was it was very quick process and you know then
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  Speaker 6: editing took longer. But also, if you want to add
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  Speaker 6: one more crazy element to the mix, I also got
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  Speaker 6: married three months ago, so yeah, exactly, so you know,
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  Speaker 6: obviously you know that's important and in many ways that's
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  Speaker 6: more important than the movie, you know, but I'm a filmmaker,
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  Speaker 6: so you know, we're crazy people. So yeah, I managed
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  Speaker 6: to you know make all that work. And you know,
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  Speaker 6: I have an amazing wife who just I can't think
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  Speaker 6: her enough for you know, putting up with me.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's kind of how I got into it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you know, that was pretty quick from you know,
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  Speaker 5: having that initial idea to actually getting you know, start
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  Speaker 5: shooting the the film. And you know, if there's one
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  Speaker 5: thing you do need when making a film, it's another
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  Speaker 5: crazy element to work against you, right. Yeah, So how
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  Speaker 5: long did it take you to actually write the script then,
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  Speaker 5: from you know, from concept to actually writing a full
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  Speaker 5: page screenplay.
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  Speaker 6: I would say took about until I had my first draft.
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  Speaker 6: I'd say about seven months, six seven months around there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: once I had the first draft, the rest was very
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  Speaker 6: you know, relatively quick, but you know, getting it up
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  Speaker 6: there to the first draft, yeah, i'd say about that
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  Speaker 6: around there.
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  Speaker 5: So when you were writing the screenplay, did you try
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  Speaker 5: to like immerse yourself into zombie films? So, tell of
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  Speaker 5: the other guests I've had on the show. One of
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  Speaker 5: the things that I've noticed is whatever their theme or
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  Speaker 5: genre they're writing for, all they will watch and read
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  Speaker 5: about is just that one thing. So I imagine if
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  Speaker 5: you use that method, all you were watching was zombie films.
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  Speaker 5: Now did you did you follow that method?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely?
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  Speaker 6: And you know, as my wife will testify because she
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  Speaker 6: hates horror, it was yes, I do the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I you know, I bought a book.
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  Speaker 6: About zombies, and I, you know, rewatch pretty much every
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  Speaker 6: zombie movie I have, and you know, whatever else is
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  Speaker 6: on Netflix, and you know, and you know out there
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  Speaker 6: because you have to, I mean, you really have to.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, to me, a zombie flick, a good zombie flick.
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  Speaker 6: It's never it's not about the zombies, right, It's always
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  Speaker 6: about something else. And then obviously use the zombies to
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  Speaker 6: tell the story, so they're more storytelling device. So to me,
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  Speaker 6: it was really the main thing was, Okay, what is
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  Speaker 6: this movie about? Figure figuring out what's my angle?
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  Speaker 4: You know what? Because I mean, zombie movies have been done.
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  Speaker 6: To death obviously, and we all love it, but there's
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  Speaker 6: one every week coming out, So how what can I
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  Speaker 6: offer that's you know, a little unique, that's a little
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  Speaker 6: you know, outside the box.
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  Speaker 6: So you know, that was my main thing as I
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  Speaker 6: was watching, like I said, all these these zombie flakes
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  Speaker 6: and reading and all that, and once I had that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, idea, and once I figured that out, then
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  Speaker 6: the rest was a lot easier. You know, it still
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  Speaker 6: wasn't easy, but it was easier, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
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  Speaker 5: And you're right though, you know, there is seemingly a
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  Speaker 5: new zombie film coming out every week. You know, I
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  Speaker 5: was just talking about it to my one friend and
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's not in the film industry, but he
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  Speaker 5: watches a ton of films and he's like, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: I'm so sick of zombies. He's like, Dave, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to watch any zombie films. I ended up trying
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  Speaker 5: to talk him into watching a zombie film after that
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  Speaker 5: because actually, and one of the things that I've you know,
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  Speaker 5: as producing movies, I've noticed is is that they always ask,
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  Speaker 5: you know, what is your unfair advantage? Uh? You know,
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  Speaker 5: if you're pitching to somebody, you know, what is your
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  Speaker 5: unfair advantage? You know, what is our unique selling position?
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  Speaker 3: Uh? You know, and that's.
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  Speaker 5: Something that you were you know, you've you've kind of
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  Speaker 5: hit on there. Uh you know, because you have to
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  Speaker 5: make it. What's going to be unique about your you know,
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  Speaker 5: your film?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 5: You know, anyone listening to this, I'm not even talking
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  Speaker 5: about making a zombie fl I'm talking about making any film.
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  Speaker 5: You know, how are you going to make it unique
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  Speaker 5: that so it stands out from the crowd? And you know, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Boyon, one of the things you did was
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  Speaker 5: you know, uh, you know, you put your own style
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  Speaker 5: into it. Uh you know, I don't know if it
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  Speaker 5: words in your mouth. But you know, I actually why
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  Speaker 5: don't I just ask you? So, what are some of
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  Speaker 5: the things that you that you wanted to make sure
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  Speaker 5: you got in there that made it sort of your style,
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  Speaker 5: made it your movie that you can help stand out.
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  Speaker 4: Uh?
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  Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, I mean, you know, growing up the way
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  Speaker 6: I did, you know, moving around a lot, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: being part of different cultures and all and all that
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  Speaker 6: stuff was great on one hand because it really gave
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  Speaker 6: me insight into just just humanity, right, I mean, uh,
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  Speaker 6: just understanding how the world works.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: But on the other hand, it also made me the
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  Speaker 6: constant outsider, you know. I mean, as much as I
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  Speaker 6: tried to fit in, you know, it's difficult, right. So
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of you know what I tried to bring
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  Speaker 6: to this. It's you know, interestingly enough if well, if
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  Speaker 6: if I can use that word for lack of a
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  Speaker 6: better word, you know, the things that are happening lately
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  Speaker 6: just around the world and all that it. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it really seems like like a zombie flick in one hand,
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  Speaker 6: in the sense that you know, one of the things,
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  Speaker 6: for example, I tried to accomplish in this movie was
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying I'm trying to say without giving away you know,
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  Speaker 6: plot lines, but essentially a lot of it deals with information.
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  Speaker 4: You know, what's happening, Uh, you know, person A tells.
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  Speaker 6: You, this person B tells you, this person C tells
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  Speaker 6: you this you know, and all that stuff, and you're
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  Speaker 6: kind of stuck in the middle, going, I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what's going on, you know. So that was kind of
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  Speaker 6: what I try to bring into it, a certain a
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  Speaker 6: safe confusion. I watched an interview with Tarantino a long
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  Speaker 6: time ago where he talked about I think he was
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  Speaker 6: talking about reservoir Dogs or or pulp pulp fiction, one
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  Speaker 6: of the two, and he was talking about this concept
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  Speaker 6: that he calls a safe confusion, where you know, you
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  Speaker 6: want the audience to be confused in terms of okay,
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  Speaker 6: what's going on, but at the same time, it has
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  Speaker 6: to be safe in the sense you haven't lost them
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  Speaker 6: right as you as you unfold the story, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you want them to be safe and keep watching.
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  Speaker 4: But yet there's a certain.
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  Speaker 6: Amount of confusion they need to have because that's when
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  Speaker 6: they'll they'll engage more. So that's what I tried to
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  Speaker 6: do with the way I structured the story, which, again
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  Speaker 6: without giving too much away it. It's a bit different,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, it's not a simple, okay from A
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  Speaker 6: to B kind of a scenario, so on one and
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  Speaker 6: I try to do that with the structure of the story,
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  Speaker 6: and I try to, like I said, I try to talk.
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  Speaker 4: About real well quote unquote real.
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  Speaker 6: Things that that do happen in in the world, which
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  Speaker 6: you know, the way the world is being portrayed by,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's the media, by by just individuals, by you know,
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  Speaker 6: whoever it is. Because I do believe, you know that
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  Speaker 6: we live in in like I said, interesting times where
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  Speaker 6: we have so much access to technology.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it is crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Man.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sitting right now. You know, you don't see it,
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  Speaker 6: but I'm sitting in front of two screens. I got
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  Speaker 6: my tablet, I got my phone.
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  Speaker 4: There's way too much technology in here. You know.
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  Speaker 6: It would take me five seconds to look up anything
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  Speaker 6: whatever I'm interested in, you know. So that's great on
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  Speaker 6: one hand, but on the other hand, there's also I
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  Speaker 6: feel this this confusion as to you know, what is
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  Speaker 6: going on in the world. You know, like I said,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's politics, but whatever it is, it doesn't really matter,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it's not my job as a filmmaker. To
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  Speaker 6: tell you what's going on, because I don't I don't
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  Speaker 6: think that's what we should be doing. But it's simply
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  Speaker 6: my job to talk about these things. And yeah, you
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  Speaker 6: make up your mind. I don't, you know, it's I respect,
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  Speaker 6: you know, whatever opinions people have. But uh yeah, if that,
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  Speaker 6: if that makes any sense, that's kind of what I
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  Speaker 6: tried to bring into this, to make it more than
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  Speaker 6: just a you know, just you know, just a dumb
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  Speaker 6: zombie flick, because like I said, I love zombies, but
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  Speaker 6: it shouldn't just be about the zombies. It's it should
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  Speaker 6: be more than that, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely, And you know, I think The Walking Dead,
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  Speaker 5: you know, hit touches on that theme. Uh, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you know, obviously Romero he really set the tone fall
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  Speaker 5: of it with Night Living Dead, and you know, then
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  Speaker 5: he went into into consumerism with Dawn of the Dead,
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  Speaker 5: and then we went into the.
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  Speaker 3: Whole Day of the Dead.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I actually just rewatched Data Dead a while ago,
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  Speaker 5: and it actually was a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot better than I remembered.
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  Speaker 5: I remember, you know, in high school, watching the three
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  Speaker 5: of those, and I remember liking Dawn the most. I
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  Speaker 5: was far and away and I came back and re
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  Speaker 5: visited Day to Day recently and I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, it's a lot better than I remembered it. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: I was just too stupid as a kid. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: No, absolutely no, I absolutely agree. I mean, interestingly enough,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Ramiro is obviously one of my top zombie
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  Speaker 6: well I think he is the top zombie god, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the film God. But interesting enough, it was actually Diary
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  Speaker 6: of the Dead. I don't know if you've seen that
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: one that I mean, I've seen all of them, but
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: that one was really the one that stood out to me,
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: and the one that I would say probably inspired me
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: the most in terms of you know what I want
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: to talk about, because it does deal with different sort
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: of similar themes just in the sense that you know,
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: everything's well, it's slightly different, but you know, technology plays
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: a big part and and you know a certain like
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: I said, confusion as to what's going on and manipulation.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the right word.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: So yeah, no, I agree. You know, Romero was a
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: big influence on me as well. You know, I mean,
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: there's plenty of them. If we step slightly out of
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: the zombie genre. Robert Rodriguez is my one of my
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: top guys, just in terms of executing a movie. I mean,
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: I'm sure I'm not the first one to say this.
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: When I heard way way back that, you know, when
• 17:19
  Speaker 6: he made El Mariachi for seven thousand dollars, you know,
• 17:23
  Speaker 6: I was like, really, get out of here, you know,
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: I was. I read it somewhere in the book. This
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: was before I, you know, started really started on my
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: filmmaking a journey, and I was like, good god, man,
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: if he made that back in ninety two, why shouldn't
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I be able to do you know, my version of
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: it by today's standards, which should be better because technology
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: is better, it's cheaper.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: You know, all that stuff.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: So that's really you know, when when this seed was
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: planted in my head that you know, I don't need.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, it would be great.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: If I had one hundred thousand dollars, a million dollars,
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: you know whatever, Right, I don't, so, but I'm pretty
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: confident I can. I can do this, you know what
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: I mean.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: Yeahs we as filmmakers today, you know, Jason and I
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: talked about this too. Was we have so much information
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: being thrown at us, and a lot of the times,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: you know, we end up not actually making a film.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: We talk about making a film, we sit there and
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: we research every camera package. And you know this, boyan,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: there's a new camera package coming out every other day.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: It's you know, Red is over there in Cannon and
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Panasonic and here's a black Magic and I mean, it's
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: just it's a never ending deluge of new camera packages.
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: And now you spend more time reading about cameras and
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: lighting kits than you do actually writing the screenplay and going, hey,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, maybe I should make this. But wait, first,
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: I got to look at the new camera packages. I
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: think I think Road just released a new audio kit.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: I gotta look at that, you know, And I think
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: that's sort of it's it's it's paralysis through analysis.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: That that's the best way to describe it. And you
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: know that's it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: But it's good though that you read Rodriguez's book and
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: then you know realized, hey, you know, why couldn't I
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: make this zombie film for five thousand dollars? No.
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, and to go back to the whole gear fetish
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: as I like to call it. Absolutely, I agree, and
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: I think we all suffer from that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I do too. Absolutely.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: You know, you know this this evolution of technology in
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: terms of you know, filmmaking related technology is amazing. But yes,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: at some point you have to stop yourself and say,
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: you know what, that's great. And yes, in reality, if
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: I make this movie today, if I had waited a
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: year longer, certain aspects would of it would probably.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Be easier to make.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: But then you're in this endless cycle where yeah, you'll
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: never make anything because you know, things are always getting better, easier.
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: I mean for this film, I used the black Magic
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: Pocket Cinema camera, which and I you know, I really
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: wanted to use it for this flick because you know,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: because of various things, and we can totally talk about
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: that too.
• 20:01
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• 20:08
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• 20:12
  Speaker 6: But you know, if I had waited, for example, until now,
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: you know, I could have used the micro what is it,
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: the black Magic micro studio camera. They got this really
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: small one, which would have allowed me to do even
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: fancier shots, you know what I mean. So yeah, you
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: can get crazy just thinking about all that stuff. So yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: it's uh, it's great, and but on one hand you
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: have to stop yourself and say, yeah, do this now,
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: and yeah when yeah, going back to Rodriguez. I mean,
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: you know, when I you know, read about him in
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: a different book and started reading his book and all
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: that stuff. You know, the one thing and Jason talks
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: about this too, the one thing that you know, certainly
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: filmmakers who are you know, beginning beginner filmmakers.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: There are certain myths.
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: That we start to believe, which is, you know, well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: you have to have whatever a million dollars to make
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: a movie, or you know, have to you have to
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: have twenty people on crew, you know, to do all
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: this blah blah, and don't get me wrong it certainly
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: you know, there are specific budgets for specific types of
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: movies that you should have and all that. However, you know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: if you get creative, you can make I'm not going
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: to say you can make everything work, because there are
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: certain things that really you know, probably not gonna work.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: But most things you can.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: And you know, like Rodriguez said in an interview and
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: in his book, you know, take stock of what you have,
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: you know, take stock of of of the relationships you
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: have built and what do you have access to, and
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: make a movie about that. You know, I did that
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: for my first movie. I did that for this movie,
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: and I mean, you should always challenge yourself and you
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: know grow, so you know that's that's obviously important. But
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: don't be afraid, man, just get out and do it.
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: And yeah, you're gonna make mistakes, you know you're. In
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: my opinion, the best thing I could have done for
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: this movie and my other movie was not to think
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: everything through, you know what I mean, because a lot
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: of times we become our own enemy when we start
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: dissecting everything.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: I mean you need to have a game plan, absolutely,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: but there are certain things where you'll just have to
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: deal with it if it occurs or you know, as
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: it unfolds, because you don't have all the answers. I mean,
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: good guy, man, I've you know, I've been on set
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: as an actor on professional sets, and I always love
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: to observe the crew because you know, that's the filmmaker
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: in me. And you think they have all the answers
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: with millions of dollars of budgets. No, So sometimes you
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: just take things as they are, but don't be afraid
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: to just dive in there and you know, get your
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: feed wet.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very true.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: You know, oftentimes we think, you know, we we have
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: to have this large amount of money to do things.
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: And the key I think is if we are going
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: to set out to make a movie and we're gonna
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: fund it ourselves or even crowdfund or even crowdfund, you
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: know a certain amount of money, I think the script
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: has to be written that way on purpose, meaning that
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: you know, we're not going to be able to do
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: all these wonderful special effects unless either a you know
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: how to do it personally, like you as the as
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: the director or whoever know how to do that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And I've seen filmmakers do that.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: They they are special effects guys by trade, so all
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: the VFX stuff looks amazing, you know, all the bull
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: time stuff. And then on the flip side of that,
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: you know they're hoping to you know, maybe form it out,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: maybe going to somewhere like Upwork or somewhere to find
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: somebody maybe in like you know, India or something that
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: could do it for a cheaper price. But you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: boring that, you know, I think if you are going
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: to rate, you know, make a movie, and let's just
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: say we have one thousand dollars to spend, like kind
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: of like what Mark Duplas was recommending, just go making
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: movies as cheap as possible to learn how to make movies.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: We should make that, you know, we should write. Hey, listen,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: what do I have access to? I have access to
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: my car, my house, this woods next to me. I
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: can use my aunt Susie's house. You know, how am
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I going to figure out? How can I make this
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: into a movie that you know is going to keep
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: audiences engaged? Well, maybe I don't have enough for ninety minutes.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe I have enough for twenty minutes. So maybe I
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: should make a short film instead and just build off
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: from there.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely agree with everything. I mean, that's you know,
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: that's exactly what I tried to do on this one.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: You know what I really wanted to do on this
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: one that I didn't do on the first one was
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: having more actors, having more locations, right. I really wanted
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: to step up the production value on that side. But
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: of course, you know, there's no budget really for those things.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: So I knew, okay, I have access to certain places.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: You know, I shot at my brother's place, I shot
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: at my buddy's place. You know, I had access to
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: a studio, so I was able to shoot some stuff there.
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: And you know, for example, you talked about VFX. I'm
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: not a professional VFX guy. However, I am actually getting
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: more and more into it. But I knew that, okay,
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: I can do certain things with you know, with VFX,
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: and and I do talk about this. I think I
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: talked about that in the article as well. For example,
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: I used Video Co Pilots plugins for after effects, and
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: they allowed me to animate you know, jets and drones
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff and you know, create
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: certain shots that I couldn't have gotten otherwise, not with
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: my budget. Right, so you know, understanding that, okay, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: can bring this to the game. And I think I
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: talk about this too in the article. I you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: made use of stock footage, which in my opinion, stock
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: footage when used properly and sparingly and all that, there's
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: nothing wrong with it. I know there's filmmakers who shy
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: away from it, but to me, if using somebody else's music,
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: what's the difference. It's somebody else's material. But like I said,
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: as long as it supports your story and it makes sense,
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: and you know you're not using it every every two
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: minutes or so, h nothing wrong with it. So I
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: made use of that. So I understood all these things.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: As I was writing the you know, the script and
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: the way I structured the story, I also structured it
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: purposely that way because, like I said, I wanted more actors,
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: and there's there's quite a few actors in this one,
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: but I don't have the budget to pay them, you know.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: But I figured, well, if I if I only use
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: actors for one to maybe three days at the most,
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I think that can work, right, So I structure the
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: script that way, where you know, that's what I ended
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: up happening, because at the end of the day, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: you have to you have to understand that, you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: you can't abuse other people, you know what I mean.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, this is my dream, this is my
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: passion and all that, but that's mine.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: It's not others. You know.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: For other people, that's just a job, a gig, and
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: when they're not getting paid, well, you got to be
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: sensitive to that, right. So, and yeah, it's probably the
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: actor in me as well. I've I've been on enough
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: in these shoots where you know, you start to feel
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: like you're being taken for granted in this one, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: so I you know, I was thinking about all these
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: things as I was, like I said, constructing the story,
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: which is important.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: It's it's crucial because at the end of the.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: Day, I'd rather do a you know, a smaller project,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: but do it right, then try to attempt this epic
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: thing where at the end of the day, you know,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: I burn out and I don't even finish it the
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: way I want. I owe money to gazillions of people
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: and everyone hates me.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean. This way, I'm good, you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: and you.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Know that that's I made a mistake like that when
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: I first started. You know, I I tried to make
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: something way too epic for like my second or third movie.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: This movie will never see a light No, it was
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: my third movie. That's right, because my second and third
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: short films will never ever see the light of day.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: But the third one somebody actually has on a DV day.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: And if I ever even got a monocule of success,
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: I know somebody would be like, hey, look.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: At this, this is Dave Willis's thing.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: But basically, there was a lot of gunplay and I
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: had this is when video copilot.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I actually have that DVD as well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I actually got got the DVD for I think Christmas,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: or maybe I bought it myself.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: And what happened was I.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Was all all set to do all I did, all
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: the choreography worked out well, one by one I had
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: my crew drop out. So now I'm doing like, not
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: only three roles and four roles, now I'm doing like
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: six or seven roles. So now it's down to me,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: my cinematographer, because this is the whole new team.
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: I've ever worked with these guys before.
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: And as the day went on, I just had more
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: and more problems kept creeping up that you know, I
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: could have worked out had I had more people to
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: fight these fires. For me, why I fight these fires
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: because now it's like, you know, I'm going around trying
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: to fix this and do that, and then you know
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: the place was supposed to be vacant, and then here,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: guess what happens?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Here comes security. Who are you guys?
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: You're not supposed to be here, And I'm like, yes,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: we are. I have been over this for months talking
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: to your guys. I mean, it just it was a
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: complete disaster. But the point I'm trying to make is
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: if I had just done something even a slightly slightly
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: step backwards on a slightly smaller scale.
• 30:02
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• 30:11
  Speaker 5: I would have had a much better time. I would
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: have had a much better finished product, and we probably
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: would have gotten shot, probably got would have gotten everything
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: shot that day, rather than you know, having like pieces
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: of it, you know, put together somewhere, and you know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: eventually I put together what was like a rough cut
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: of a couple of days, and it was like you
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: couldn't show this anywhere. It was unbearable to watch. Just
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: everything that could went wrong did go wrong. My second
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: and third student films that everything that could go wrong
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: went wrong. It was unbelievable. You know, we're just talking about,
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: you know, making things that are epic. So there's advice
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: to pull from this from anybody listening. Do not try
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: to make like Godzilla or Lord of the Rings or
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: Inglorious Bastards your first time.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: You will fail horribly.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Yep. Well, I absolutely agree.
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: You know, I've done a fair share of mistakes on
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: you know, like short films and all.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: That, but I definitely.
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: You know, there's a lot of anxiety and fear on
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: my first film, and that's why, you know, that's why
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: that one, like, like I mentioned earlier, it's a comedy
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: mostly set in one location. You know, it's two roommates
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: and it's in their apartment, and you know, stuff starts
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: to go wrong and that kind of you know, those
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: kinds of scenarios. And you know, we shot that one
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: in eight days on weekends, and you know that really
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: that was a great sort of playground, learning ground for
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: me to see. Okay, first of all, can I do?
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: That was eighty three minutes? Which is this one is
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: also eighty minutes, so you know it's the same length.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: So that was a good opportunity for me to see, Okay,
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: can I Can I actually make a feature? You know
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: eighty minute thing?
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: Can I?
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: Because you know a lot of filmmakers talk about that,
• 32:05
  Speaker 6: but they've.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Actually never done it. Yeah, I know.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: I didn't know what does it actually entail to make
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: such a such a longer piece. You know, at that
• 32:12
  Speaker 6: point my longest short was probably twelve fifteen minutes maybe,
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: you know, so you know, but there was a certain
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: safe environment because, like I said, mostly shot in one location.
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: It had four main actors and then there was few others,
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: but it was mostly those four guys, right, And you know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: I was very happy when when it was all done
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: and with you know, the end result, and it.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: It boosted my my.
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: What's the word, man, my my not my ego, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 6: my confidence confidence.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Thank you, jeez, I can talk.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: Oh yes, So it definitely boosted my confidence, and you know,
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: made me realize that, Okay, I think I'm ready to
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: do something bigger. But that's a crucial moment right there,
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: when it could have fallen apart easily if I had gone,
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: you know, just as slightly bigger than what I ended
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: up doing. You know, it's a tricky thing, and I've
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: obviously I have many filmmaking friends, as we all do,
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: and actor friends and all that, and you know, some
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: of them have never made a feature, some of them
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: are still working on it, and some are recovering from.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: It, you know, as we all are.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: And you know, it's always good to just be cognizant
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: of Okay, you should always have your own style, absolutely,
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: But you know, if you know people would have done it,
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: talk to them.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: I love to talk to you know, guys like you,
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: other filmmakers and just kind of bounce ideas off. You know, Okay,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: this is what worked for me. I don't know if
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: it's going to work for you. But this is what
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: worked for me, you know. And you know, once you
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: start doing that, once you start understanding this whole process,
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: it definitely helps you.
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: At least it helped me, you know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: So hopefully when the next one, you know, when it's
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: time for the next one, I'll you know, it'll be bigger.
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: But like I said, I don't want to go overboard
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: where that one's pretty much gonna bury me.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's somebody once told me before when I'm starting out,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: They said, Dave, never listened to anybody in this business
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: who teaches you how to make a film who's never
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: actually made a film. Never listen to anybody who's about
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: how to write a script if they've never written a script.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: He said, you know, this is all so hands on
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: that you can't just keep you know, there's.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: A lot of theory and all of this.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of theory, like, hey, I could you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: make it this way or that way? What you really
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: need is the is that meat and potato, so to speak.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And I actually wrote a book. It didn't get published.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: It's actually on a hard drive. I took everybody on
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: this journey day by day, and I actually took a
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: snapshot of my bank account, well the production's bank account,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: everything from Czech stubs, receipts, my own writings of how
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: I dealt with problems with crew cast locations, and every day,
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: at the end of every day or at the beginning
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: of every day, I would write something. At the end
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: of every day, I would write something so like day
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: one at the beginning, and this is what happened, this
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: is what we're playing on doing. And then I at
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, I would come back and
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: write this, and I would give you snapshots.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I compiled it all together.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: Into a book with this TV pilot, and I actually
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: pitched it and a lot of places were like, you know,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: this is a lot, and I said, well, it's just detailing.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: You know, how did I come up with a thousand
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: dollars very quickly? How did I get this money? How
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: did I when PayPal shut down our crowd funding campaign
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: because they had no clue what it was they How
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: did I come back from that? It's that's the stuff
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: that you know you have to talk about. And then
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: there's also like I actually have my own private it
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: checklist of what I do now, like I'm gonna start
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: a crowdfunding campaign next year. I know exactly what I'm
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: going to do differently than I when I did years ago,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: and even when I've done last year, when I was
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: helping out other friends, you know, sometimes I would they would,
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: you know, send me their link or whatever, and I'd say, okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: just do this and this, and you know, I you know,
• 36:17
  Speaker 5: don't worry about credit. It's just you know, when the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: time comes to you know, retweet my stuff or help
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: me out any way you can. But but yeah, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: it's it's just about those relationships and actually cultivating it
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: and you know, not being you know, just not being
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: a jerk to people.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: I guess right, well, absolutely, no, absolutely. I mean, first
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: of all, that sounds like an amazing book.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: Man, you know I want to read that, you know, No,
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: but absolutely, that's that's exactly what it is.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: You know, going back to your your.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Your comment about listening people who have never actually made
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: a film, I one hundred percent agree. And we all
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: have listened to these individuals. We have these amazing and
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, look, if you haven't
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: done it yourself, or or if you unless you are
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: talking about what someone else said, it's a theory. You know,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: I I only talk about things that I've actually done,
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: you know, because at the end of the day, I
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: don't know, and I don't want to be the guy
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: who gives you some BS, you know, information, because I
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: wouldn't want to be the one receiving BS information either,
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean. So no, absolutely, it's it's
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: it's a tricky thing because you know, obviously everyone has
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: an opinion, and you know, the one thing I always
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: like to do, you know, whenever I meet you know,
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: let's say, filmmakers, and you know, we start talking about everything,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: and you know, after I've met them, I look them
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: up online just to see, Okay, has this person actually
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: done something, because you know, you know, if they have
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: given me so many information all that, I want to
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: see where that actually comes from. And you know, in
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: some cases, you know, you're positively surprised, go, holy crab,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: well they've done amazingly.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: I want to talk more to this person.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: And you know, there's there's situations where you go, I
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: see nothing here.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I see absolutely nothing. So at that point you kind
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: of go, I don't know, man, I don't know.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: And you know, it's the same thing I you know,
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: I have my YouTube channel where I have a show
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: called Filmmaking Today, where I talk about it's all different things.
• 38:32
  Speaker 6: Gear I use techniques I use for my film and
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: my projects. And I always, you know, from the beginning,
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: I told myself, I will only talk about things that
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: I'm actually doing, you know, because again, there's so many
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: videos about you know, all kinds of things coming from
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: people who have actually never done it. I kind of
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: have an issue with. As an actor, I also have
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: an issue with, you know, acting coaches, because you know,
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: you gotta be careful with that.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: You know, you take you take a workshop with person.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: X, and uh, you know, you look them up and
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: you see they had they have actually less gigs than you.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: You know, Okay, I I technically I'm more qualified to
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: teach you this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: Of course, you know what I mean. So this is
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: not not a good idea. So yeah, I agree to
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: to you know, put it in one sentence.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioning acting coaches. Uh.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: There was actually an acting coach on my Facebook. He
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: he deleted me just recently.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: He was always inviting me to all those events in
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: New York and stuff like that, and uh, you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: I actually one day watched one of his uh, I
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: don't want it's not a real it's like a promo
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: for his classes, and he acted like he was like
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: the best actor who's ever existed. So I looked him
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: up and he was in virtually nothing.
• 40:00
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• 40:09
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, how the hell is this guy running
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: acting classes who has done absolutely positively nothing. And that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: why when he deleted me, I'm like, I.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Don't I didn't even worry about it.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, well, because I have an app
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: on my Facebook that tells when anybody deletes me, and yeah,
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: so I actually I was like, you know, I don't
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: even care anymore. So I took that app off because like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: you know, why even bother right, I'm barely on Facebook
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: anymore anyway, so as as most people can tell, I'm
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: just like going there and this and that. But now
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, now I'm getting off topic. But yeah, now
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about face fucking But yeah, no, you know,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: you're absolutely right. It's like Alex Ferrari. He just had
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: a post on his indie film Hustle dot com blog
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: where he said, don't hire somebody just because they have
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: a very good looking camera.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: That is a mistake that I made one time.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: And the guy, the guy was talented, but he was
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: also in inane and by the end we were fighting
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: back and forth. He was fighting with everybody, and you know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: everyone kind of gave me the eye, like you hired
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: this guy, and I said, you know, I was like, guys,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I try to fire him. The producer wants
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: to keep him because he's got you know, the red
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: camera and he's got this. But it was a complete,
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: you know, disaster and final and I afterwards, like I
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: was so burned out of the project.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't want to talk about it anymore.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I was just you know, I told the producers, you know,
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: that guy completely sapped all the energy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Because I mean, you you know, Boujon.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: You know, when you go into a film set, anybody,
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: and it's whether it's you, Me, Quentin Tarantino, Rober Roriez,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: we all have a finite amount of energy and patience
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: and everything else. You know, we all have at the
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: beginning of the day, we have you know that those levels,
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: you know, and as you go on, you know, going
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: through everything, you know, it gets whittled down. Certain things
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: get ticket out more than others, you know, but by
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: the end of the day, you know, you're pretty much
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: on empty, you know, physically and mentally and sometimes spiritually.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: And you know that's when you're you finally realize, you know, wow,
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: it does take.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: A village to raise a child. Sometimes it does take
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: a whole army to make a film. This is why.
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, and I mean I don't think most people
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: realize absolutely how exhausting this process is, especially in the
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: film in the indie film world, where you know, everything smaller,
• 42:29
  Speaker 6: the budgets are smaller, you know, everything. And absolutely, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: I have had my fair share of, you know, situations
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: where you know, whether it was dealing I have. I've
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: been blessed to work with great casts, but you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: there are certain situations where they might not understand that, look,
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: it's not it's not just about.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: You, you know.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: I mean again, I'm an actor and when I'm once
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: said I I understand that there are so many things
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: happening at once, so many stars have to line up,
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: you know, line up to make this one shot, and
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: you know, we all have to suck it up essentially,
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: you know, and.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: You know, it's difficult. It absolutely is difficult.
• 43:15
  Speaker 6: I mean on you know, on this this set, it
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: was you know, a typical date would pretty much consist
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: of me. I would have my audio guy, I would
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: have you know, my my makeup and prosthetics person, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: then if I'm lucky, one more person, right sort of
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: to help out a little bit of everything, and you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: that's it, you know, and then the actors obviously, however
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: many there were, so you know, we're not talking, like
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: I said, twenty thirty people on set, because I'm a
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: strong believer that the more people you have on set
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: as crew members, it all slows you down. And a
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: you know, it's not about having a lot of people,
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: it's about having the right amount of people, you know.
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: And yeah, sometimes I might go overboard and you know,
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: maybe not having enough, but that's what allows me to
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: shoot seven to ten pages a day, which is what
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: I average. We shut this film in ten days, and
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's it's an exhausting process at the
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: end of the day. I mean, I'm the first one
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: on set, I'm the last one.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: To leave, you know.
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: I there have been plenty of days where I wouldn't
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: even eat anything. Not because I don't want to eat.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: It's because of you know, when when it's lunchtime, I'm
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: going through my shot list and I'm going, Okay, we
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: got to get this down, we got to do this.
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: I talk to my sound guy, you know, my whoever
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: it is, my prosthetics person, you know, and.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: That kind of stuff. So it's very exhausting.
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: But you know, I do believe that you have to
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: have a certain amount of insanity as a filmmaker to
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: attempt anything in this world, because I think any sane
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: person would go, I I'm good man, I'll stick to
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: my nine to five, you know. So I am blessed
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: with a certain insanity which which keeps me going, you know.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: And you need that, you need that little bit of
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: insanity that when you say at the end of at
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: the end of some of these projects, you'll say never again,
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: never again?
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Am I going to do this? I don't care what
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: comes along, And six months later, you know, at most,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: you're like, damn, I should go make a movie. You
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: know what the hell is going on here?
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: Because you know, I mean, like you know, my quick
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: you know little story. Uh, it's been about four years
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: since I actually made anything of mice my own. I
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: mean that's not that say I haven't been on other
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: people's sets or done this or done that. I'm just
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: talking about my own stuff. It's the last thing that
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: produced was about four years ago. And uh, I there's
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: an interesting story about why it's been four years, but uh,
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: it's just to be put make a long story short.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: It's it's crazy people. I I we had a crazy editor.
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: And I finally looked at the guy that was the
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: director and because I recommended this guy, because all of
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: a sudden, he just kind of went berserk. And uh,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: I'll tell the story another podcast, but basically, I was like,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: I apologize. I'm gonna work to figure the you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: to to solve this stuff. And that's uh that to
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: that point where I was like, I must be insane
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: to to to keep wanting to come back and be
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: a glutt um for punishment with this stuff. You know,
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: it's like my God, and you know, and uh, you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: speaking of you know, of editing, actually, one of the
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: questions I want to ask you too, Bullion, was you
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: know what did you use to uh to edit Project Eugenics.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I used Premiere Pro for editing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: I I'm a I'm an Adobe nerd, right, so I
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: use most of most of their products. So yeah, for editing,
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: it was a Premiere Pro. I used to use Final
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: Cut seven a while while ago, and on my my
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: my last movie, my first movie, I actually was one
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: of those people who switched to Final Cut ten and
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: I actually edited most of the movie in there and
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: it it did.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Not work out.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: It just just my personal opinion, it's not what seven
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: used to be. So I I went back to because
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: before we're somewhere in between that I can't remember I
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: was using Premiere and so I went back to Premiere,
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: which I use exclusively now for you know, my editing,
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: and because I love the integration with Premiere Pro and
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: after effects, you know, just being able to send the
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: sequence into after effects to do, you know, whatever I
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: need to do, and then you know, keep working in it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, I use all the Adobe products as well.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: You can't beat that because.
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: All you do is literally you click a button and
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: I edit this podcast and audition and if I you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: when I'm in Premiere, I can click a button and
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: just say send audio to audition, and I can work
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: on all the audio problems. I can take up pomps
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: and clicks and stuff. I mean, it's just it's amazingly easier.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: You actually couldn't get any easier, because I mean maybe
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: you could, but I mean it's just it's phenomenal the
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: way it works together.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, I mean, I you know, I I also
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: do graphic and web design related things, so you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: I obviously use four Shop and Illustrator for for all that.
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: And you know, in my opinion, I know a lot
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: of people hated when Adobe switched over to their Creative
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Cloud subscription based model, and I actually love it. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: think I think it's it's it's a great model. You know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: I'm constant, We're all constantly getting updates and they're great.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, just recently I discovered their mobile apps,
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: so you can actually create a lot, you know, a
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: color lookup table using your phone. You just take a
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: photo of whatever, I would say, a sunset, and it
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: will create those colors and you can apply that to.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Your video footage.
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: And it's amazing, you know, just the integration, which goes
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: back to what I you know, what I said earlier, earlier,
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: the advancements in in this field, I mean technology in general,
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: but especially this field are so incredible. I mean, there's
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: really no excuse not to make a film, you know,
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: whatever type of film it is matter. You know, yes,
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: twenty thirty years ago, it was you know, ten times
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: more difficult, and you know you needed to ask for permission,
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: right like like Jason always talks about asking for permission. No,
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: we're done with that. I'm not going to ask anyone
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: for permission.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I'm you know, able to make my films the way
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: they are. And obviously I want to grow the budgets
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: and all that. I don't want to keep making five
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: thousand dollars movies. But I'm not asking anyone for permission,
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: you know. And that's extremely empowering and it really allows
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: you to tell your story. You know, whether people like
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: the movie or not, I have no impact on that.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: But this is my story. This is it's truly a
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: director's cut. There's no you know, no one interfering.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: You know, you know that that's That's what you know
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: a lot of filmmakers are doing now is they don't
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: want you know, they don't have to ask for permission.
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: They don't have to you know, wait for someone's notes
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: to come in after seeing the dailies anymore.
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• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: You know, it's they can go out and they can
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: they they're the ones calling the shots. For instance, like
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: m Night Shyamalan, that's what he does now because you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: after he made After Earth, he said, I don't want
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: to do this whole studio system anymore.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: So we went out made the visit.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: And it was a lot more successful for him, both
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: financially and you know, as an artist because now he
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: didn't have anybody telling him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: You know, what to do, because he could do it himself.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: He he made all his own calls. There was no notes,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: no one looking over his shoulder, and that's you know,
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: that's when value as a filmmaker. Robert Riguez also was
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: talking about that recently when he said, you know, I'd
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: rather have less money and more freedom than you know,
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: more money and I have to answer to ten thousand people.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: He said, you know, it's I'd easily rather have the
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: less money.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, I mean, I'm right on board with with that statement.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: I mean, I you know, I mean, my one of
• 51:03
  Speaker 6: my goals is to show people you know that, Okay,
• 51:07
  Speaker 6: this is what I can do for five thousand dollars.
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: And by the way, that's five thousand Canadian dollars, which
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: in US is like two bucks. Nowadays our dollar is
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: worth nothing apparently.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: But anyway, so that's, you know, that is my goal.
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: And I actually I have absolutely no desire to make
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: like one hundred or one hundred and fifty million dollar
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: blockbuster movie. I really don't because, knowing myself how passionate
• 51:31
  Speaker 6: I get about these things, I probably get fired for
• 51:36
  Speaker 6: taking a fight with with the wrong executive and all
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: that stuff, and I you know, so those stories don't
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: interest me because I think for you know, for one million.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, you look, especially in the horror field.
• 51:51
  Speaker 6: Another one of my favorite directors is James Wong. You know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: he made the first Saw movie and the Insidious movies
• 51:58
  Speaker 6: and all that, and I mean, you look at just
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: those movies, all of them, all the Insidious movies. I
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: think the first one had a budget of eight hundred thousand,
• 52:07
  Speaker 6: I think somewhere around there. And then you know, the
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: budgets grew slowly, but they're still in a couple of
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: a few million dollar range. And you look at those movies,
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: and man, they're amazing. I mean the horror fan in me,
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: you know, if you're into horror, I love it. And
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: from a production point of view, I think it's done
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: very well, you know, So you know, I think you know,
• 52:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, Spielberg talked about you know this, and Lucas
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: too about you know, the implosion of Hollywood, which my
• 52:39
  Speaker 6: opinion is, I think something will happen in the next
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: you know, a little bit.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: The way I kind of see it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 6: You know, if you look at the history of Hollywood,
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: you know, back in the late sixties when when the
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: studio system fell apart, right and you had corporations buying
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: all the studios and making the movies, and you know,
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: that was sort of the first the first or the
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: second wave technically, you know, the first wave was the
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: one that started, and you had the second wave with
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: the corporations, and I kind of look at this as
• 53:12
  Speaker 6: the third wave, which is us indie guys, call it
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: the YouTubers, whatever you want to call It doesn't matter
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: who are able. And I'm not talking about myself here,
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: I'm talking about in general. There's certainly plenty of other
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: directors who are able to do much more than I
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: am with small budgets, and you know, you look at
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: the stuff that they're doing for virtually nothing, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: and yes, most people don't get paid on those sets.
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: But you know what I have there are indie projects
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: that cost one hundred, one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: and people still don't get paid, you know. And then
• 53:47
  Speaker 6: you look at movies where you know, like five thousand
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: or ten thousand. Well, you know, I think if you
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: make a movie for ten thousand, just give the person
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: out of ten thousand, then everyone would get paid, you
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: know what I mean, But it would still be a
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: great product. Whereas you start wondering, okay, the you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: millions and millions of dollar budgets, what happened?
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: You know, where's the quality? Where you know, did everything
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: go towards the catering budgets?
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? It was like, you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: you start to wonder.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: And.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I firmly believe that we are part of
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: the next wave, so to speak, because at the end
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: of the day, you know, you can't keep having budgets
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: in the two hundred million dollar range. I mean, you know,
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: you look at you know, the recent terminator movie. I mean,
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: if it wasn't for China and the money they made
• 54:40
  Speaker 6: their the movie obviously flopped.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Let's let's not kid ourselves.
• 54:44
  Speaker 6: You can say whatever you want in North America the
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: movie flopped, but it didn't have to.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: It could have been something.
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: You know, I was praying it would be something as
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: I was watching it. So yeah, I think there's a
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: lot of change coming our way, and you know, I
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: think in the end it will be positive change if
• 55:07
  Speaker 6: we just stick to our guns and you know, say,
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: you know, look, we can tell these stories. And you
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: know I'm not you know, if a producer comes to
• 55:16
  Speaker 6: me and says, listen, we have a couple of million
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: we want you to direct this movie, you know, I'm
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: not going.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: To be like, nah, now I'm an indie guy. Now, no,
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take the money. I'm going to make
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: a movie. But absolutely, you know, you're not stupid.
• 55:30
  Speaker 6: But at the at the same time, if you came
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: to me, you obviously trust that I can bring something
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: to it. So let me tell my story, you know,
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: And that's easier to tell. It's easier to have the
• 55:41
  Speaker 6: conversation with someone when you're talking about a two million
• 55:44
  Speaker 6: dollar production versus a two hundred million you know, so yes,
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: it's you know, I think a lot is going to happen,
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: and some of it is already you know.
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I wonder as I was talking podcast
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: interview with Brad Wilk, you know a lot of this
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: I think, is it's so accessible now and we always
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: talk about who is going to rise to the top.
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: Is it just so overcrowded that it takes a rare
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: instance of you know, the perfect storm.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: Of a network of money of this and that to
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: rise to the top.
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: Or is it just still the old fashioned way where
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: everything's still just gonna rise to the top based upon quality,
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: meaning like you know, the Reservoir Dogs is still gonna
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: rise to the top those types of movies. I actually
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: feel both are true. Personally. I think that you know,
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: even with you know, the influx of you know, filmmakers
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: now just in the past year or two, I really
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: do think that you know, you're gonna see the quality
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: projects are always gonna go to the top. You're gonna
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: be cause you know, you always trust your friends most
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: of all. So if your friend tells you, hey, listen,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: go watch you know, whatever movie. Most of the time
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: you're gonna listen to them. You're gonna say, hey, okay,
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: I'll sit down, I'll carve out the time. But you know,
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: I think with the you know, with a lot of
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: these superhero movies, I think that that's gonna cause a
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: lot of burnout. But then again, I said that like
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: two years ago, and then there's still you know, cheerning
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: them out, and there's still number one at the box office,
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: and now Star Wars is coming out, and that's, let's
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: face it, that's the unstoppable force right now. I don't
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: I don't eve think Star Wars is a movie anymore.
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: I think it's like a I don't even know what.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: It's almost like a need now. It's almost like on
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: the Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It's like Star Wars and
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: then food and shelter and feelings of safety. I mean,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: it is just a phenom. I mean, and I see
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: all these spinoffs and I'm like, you know what, they
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: could have one hundred spinoffs. They could have movies come
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: out until everybody right now is passed and our great
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: great grandchildrens to watch them. And you know what, I
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: don't think it's ever gonna stop. If they could just
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: keep finding a new character to expand on. Like hey
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: see that guy in the cantina, Well, that's you know,
• 57:53
  Speaker 5: Regulan six, and he's gonna, you know, do something now.
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: And it's all just you know, it's it's just all
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: the continuation of this universe.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Hey man, don't underestimate. Don't underestimate Revulon six. Man, that
• 58:06
  Speaker 4: guy's gotta going you know. Oh absolutely, Look, you know,
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: I mean it's.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Human nature to yearn for entertainment. I mean this has
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: been true way before there have been movies and television
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: and all that. I mean, you know, we want.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: To be entertained, you know, so that will always be there.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: But I do believe I agree with you in the sense,
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: you know, the way I see it, I don't want
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: the big blockbusters to go away, you know, because you know,
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: if you want to tell a an epic story, like
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: a Star Wars type of story, you know, there are
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: certain budgets needed. That's what I'm saying. You can't make
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: everything for you know, low budget. But I don't think
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: that every movie needs to be that. You know, the problem,
• 58:52
  Speaker 6: in my opinion, the problem is that, I mean, good god,
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: we have comedies now that cost sixty seventy million to make. Dude,
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: it's a comedy. As long as you make people laugh,
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: you're fine, you know, you know why, Why is my question? So,
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: you know, I think it just I just think it
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: needs to you know, balance itself out sort of where
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: you know, we still you know, I still want to
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: see the big blockbusters coming out, you know whatever, a
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: few of them a year and all that, but that
• 59:23
  Speaker 6: should be a small segment. The rest of it, you know,
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: should be you know, reasonable budgets. And at the end
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: of the day, it all goes back to story. I
• 59:37
  Speaker 6: actually I don't go to the theater as much as
• 59:39
  Speaker 6: I used to because, frankly, when I look at you know,
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: I look at some of the movies, I'm like, I
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: don't think it has a knowing like I said, knowing
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: how story h the story has suffered in a lot
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: of movies. I just go, you know what, I don't
• 59:55
  Speaker 6: trust that this is going to be a good story.
• 59:58
  Speaker 6: So I just don't go, and I wait until it's
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: on Flake saying, you know, then I give it a shot,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: and you know, sometimes it's good, sometimes it isn't.
• 1:00:05
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• 1:00:15
  Speaker 6: So if you make if you really focus on the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 6: story and you and and the crucial part which I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: don't know why execs seem to have a problem with that.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: If you hire a director because you think he or
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 6: she is good, let them do their job, man, you know,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: let them do their job. If they're not good, then
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: don't hire them in the first place. So, you know,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: I think all that. You know, like I said, the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: story needs to the story needs to be number one.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: You know, we're now at the time where we don't
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 6: get wowed anymore by by technology, by by CG and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: all that. And you know, I saw the new I'm
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: sure you have to the new Batman versus Superman or
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: Superman versus Batman, you know, whatever the order is, uh trailer.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: And you know, I'm more interested in the story, in
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: in in the conflict between them, not so much about
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: the CG.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: Because I know the CG will be fine.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 6: You don't have to pimp in. You know, it's twenty fifteen.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: We're able to do some amazing stuff with CG. So
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: tell me more about the story, you know, That's what
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: I'm curious. And I think a lot of studios make
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 6: the mistake where they show you all the CG, all
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: the explosions, blah blah blah, and you know, no offense.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: It starts to look like a Michael Bay movie, you know.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, so yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 6: Like I said, it's a yeah, I agree, I absolutely agree.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: I think on one hand, it won't go away. But
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: on the other hand, I I do think certain things
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: will change, you know what I mean, it's.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: I concur I think certain things will change because you know,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: I mean we always talk about, you know, theatrical releases too,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: and you know, there was always that discussion of you know,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: if you know, independent films should try to go get
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: a theatrical release.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: Now you actually had.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: A theatrical a theatrical screening, and I don't know was
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: that for one night or was that for a couple
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: of nights or.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah it was it was one night.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay. Now, I mean, now do you feel because
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: you do this for one night?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Then so did you feel that that may have helped
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: you or.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: Do you feel that maybe next time you wouldn't do
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: that again?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: Uh that's a good question. I I do feel uh.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm happy with the turnout because we had
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 6: it on a Tuesday evening, rainy Tuesday in Vancouver, and
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: you know, I was able to get people out. So
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 6: that's an accomplishment considering I'm a I'm a nobody, no
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: name filmmaker.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Now for the next one, I don't think.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: I don't think it has to happen. No, I don't
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: think a theatrical release is crucial. I honestly, I don't
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 6: know if I'm going to do it for the next
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: one or not. For this one, I really wanted to
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: do it because I felt that I had a certain
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: momentum going, you know, and I felt that, okay, this,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 6: this could help, so let's just do it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: And uh, you know, like I said, I'm happy with
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: the turnout and all that.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: But I think we're now at the time where, you know,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: including myself, like I said earlier, I don't really you know.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: For example, you know, my wife and I bought tickets
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: for Star Wars obviously like a month ago. I would
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: actually if I could stream that sucker in my living
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: room or my nice big screen TV, you know, in
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: two weeks whenever it comes out, I'd be gladly. I'd
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: be happy to do that, you know, I I you know,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: I don't care about seeing it in the theater because,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: like I said, if I could stream it here in
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: the comfort of my own home and have a good
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 6: time and you know, popcorn and all that, I'm.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: Cool with that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: So I think, you know, people's mindset has changed a
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 6: lot when it comes to that. I, in my opinion,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: your movie should be available wherever it can be available,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 6: you know, sort of like the Netflix model, because how
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: people watch your stuff has changed drastically.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 6: I have a fifteen year old cousin and I always
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: like to use them as a as a guinea pig.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 4: And you know, I asked him in a couple of
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: his buddies, you know. Okay, so I was curious, do
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: you guys care about cable?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: And they're like, no, you know, we care about the
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: shows we watch. Okay, cool, So the shows you watch?
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: Do you care about watching it on a TV or
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 6: how do you watch it? I'm like, I don't know,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 6: I watched it, however, I however, I want on my
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: phone on my tab blah blah blah. So you know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: there's no you know, I think with our generation and
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: certainly with the old generation, you know, the prime sort
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: of experience of watching a movie is obviously the theater.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: And then you know at home home.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: Now with these guys, nah, the only thing they do
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: care about doing on the big screen is gaming, and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: you know that's that, you know, day one on the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: big screen. But other than that, you know, they're okay
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: with watching a movie on the or show on their phone.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: So yeah, going back to your question, I think it
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: has helped and I'm happy we did it. I'm not
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: sure if I'm going to do the next one, honestly,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: I'll be cause you know, it might be two three
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: years by the time we make the next one, and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: who knows how much will change, you know, how the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: landscape will change by then.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: You know, hard to say, yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: That's true. And by the way, I actually looked it up.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: As of this recording the seventh, the seventh, five thousand
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Canadian dollars equals thirty seven hundred and fifty five cents.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: US dollars, So there you go. There, there's that. I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: wanted to look that up.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: So so now we we have a thirteen hundred dollars surplus.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: Now that's from filming. But so you know, you ended
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: up putting the movie on on VHX and it's available now.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: You you know, you actually have a.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: Ton of extra footage on their extra sorry bonuses on there.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: You have you know, you have an audio commentary, you
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: have a behind the scenes look, you have this special
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: effects utorial that you did.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: You have your screenplay on there too. You know.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: Is there a reason, you know, why you chose v
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: VHX over maybe putting it on YouTube or any or
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: you know, even trying to get it on Netflix.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well I haven't ruled out Netflix yet. So but
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: the reason I went with vh X. I use them
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: for my first movie as well. And I just liked
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 6: how because there's still relatively you know, a relatively new company,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: and I like how they're constantly improving their service. You know,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 6: I don't get paid to do say any of this,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: you know, just my opinion, but I do like that
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 6: every once in a while they're like.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 4: Hey, you can have this feature. Now you have this feature.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 6: So they seem to understand that the landscape is changing rapidly,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 6: so they're you know, keeping up. And I just love
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: the fact that, you know, I can upload all my
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: stuff whatever I want, I can set the price, you know,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: I mean, they take their cut from each transaction. But
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 6: they don't dictate me, you know, how much I should
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: sell the movie for for example, iTunes. They do tell
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 6: they do have their set prices last time I checked, anyway,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: could be wrong about that. So and you know, and
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: you have all the stats in terms of who downloaded
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: or purchased your movie, rented your movie, whatever it is.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: So that was really the main reason.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Just control. You know, at the end of the day.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: You know, I you know, you get used as an
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 6: indie guy. You do get used to a certain amount
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 6: of control you have over your project, right and you know,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: you spend so much time and energy, you know, making it,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: and you know it would really suck that when it
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 6: comes to distribution, Know, that gets taken away from you,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 6: you know, which is usually what does happen.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: So that was the reason why I like the company
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: like VHX. Now having that said, you know, I, like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: I said earlier, I wanted to be available everywhere, you know,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 6: And you know that's like I said, in my opinion,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: how we view and consume entertainment has changed drastically.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't have cable.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 6: Because I I you know, the entertainment I watch is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: accessible via YouTube, via Netflix, you know, whatever service it is.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: And that's good enough for me, man, you know. So, yeah,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: that was that was the main reason.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: And yeah, going back to the uh, the special features, Yeah,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: I I always.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Most of my film education also comes from.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: Making off features on DVDs and blue rays, right, So
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: you know, when we moved to Canada in two thousand
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: and one, and you know, we that's when I started
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: watching blue rays because they weren't available in Europe. And
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: when I saw, holy crap, there's an audio commentary. Dude,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: I cannot watch the movie and the director is talking
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: about what I'm watching, you know, how he did it
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: and all that stuff, and it was it was, you know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god moment. So you know,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 6: like I said, most of my education comes from that,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: and I always feel I want to.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: Do the same.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: It's I guess it's a it's a way of you know,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 6: giving back if you want to call it that, you know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 6: because I feel I feel the more there are indie filmmakers,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 6: you know, the better it is for everyone, because all
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 6: of us will collectively sort of raise this industry to
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: a level where you know, we can actually make money
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: doing this. You know, it's not just Okay, let's put
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: my own money into this, and you know you're never
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: going to see anything from it.
• 1:10:01
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• 1:10:07
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's the reason.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, Doug Jason Brubaker was saying, you know,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: some of these distribution deals are just completely inane, you know,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: and nobody in the right mind would would go for him.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: I actually knew somebody who they actually made. I probably
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: put about ten thousand inno their movie, and they were
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: trying to distribute it. And when the time came, they
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: only had one company that was willing to pay them,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: and they were going to pay him something ridiculous, like
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: I think it was like one thousand bucks or six
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 5: hundred bucks, and they would have the rights for the
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: movie for five years to show the movie in like
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: some foreign country, and I think it was like I
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: think may even Cambodi or something, and filmmakers like, what
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: the hell kind of distribution deal is this like? And
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: they got fullwaice of the movie too, so for those
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: five years he couldn't sell it to anywhere else.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: It was all about.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: So it was really odd and I don't know what
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: they ended up doing with it, but you know, I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: think this is the you know, the future too, where
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: we if we did have a theatrical run with a film,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: I think it should. It probably will end up being
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: available the same day or maybe the day after on
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: maybe a VHX or maybe you know, YouTube or even
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: a digital download directly from that person's site. And you know, hey, listen,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 5: it's ten bucks and or whatever the hell it might be,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: and you can get the bare bones version. You can
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 5: get this version. Then you can you know what Draft
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: House Films does. Hey, look, you can get the film,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: but then you also get a T shirt and or
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 5: if you want the next package, you get a poster
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: with it. In the next package, you get the vinyl
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: record with it. And you know, I think stuff like that,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: you know, having those up selling packages and stuff.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Are going to be the future as well.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: And you know, and I think it's just going to
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: be a begin about It's going to be again, excuse me,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: about building that market, building that audience, making sure you
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 5: have a high quality project that.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: You can actually do with the resources.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: You have, and you know, maybe not shooting too high
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: for the moon, and you know, crowdfunding and you know,
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: keep working that audience and you know, seeing what you
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: can come up with, and you know, and just you
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: know and building from there. You know, there's a there
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: was a really good article about you know, if you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: do build an audience for a film, you know, what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: do you do with that audience after the film is over?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: You just sort of.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: Say, hey, guys, uh, well it's been fun. It's been
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: a fun year, you know, us building this. So that's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: one of the things too, I think has to change
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: is how people market films. I think Facebook fan pages, honestly,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: starting a new one for every film you do. I
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: think it's gonna get a little like ludicrous after a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: while because I know people who have like seven eight
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: different Facebook pages for different films they've done, and then
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: they have to then there's that audience, and then there's
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: this audience. But I think maybe if you had it
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: on one umbrella or maybe Facebook could change this. But
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: or me, if you had it just for your production company.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: It's it's stuff like that that I think are really
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: gonna be key to making sure that everyone's sol seize
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: your stuff. And uh but then again, you know, the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: email list is always going to be key. That email
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: list is critical because you know, and you know all
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: the social media stuff. We can talk about it for days,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: but the fact is it's rented space and they can
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: change it without warning. They can change it, They can
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: do whatever they want, and they never have to tell
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: us about it. And they know almost an explanation because
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: after all, it's a free product, and you know, they,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: you know, they're the ones putting on the money for it,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: and we're just sort of renting that space out.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely, I mean going back to the whole having
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: multiple pages.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: Absolutely.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 6: I mean I, you know, I have my my mail list,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: mailing list, and initially when I when I put that together,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: I actually talk to someone about that and I a
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: person who had his own mailing list that I would
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 6: subscribed to, and I asked, and what should I do?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Should I have one for this movie, for this blah blah?
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 6: And he, to his credit, said no, no, dude, have one,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: trust me. And so that's what I did my you know,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 6: I treat my mailing list as a sort of like
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: a VIP.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: Area.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: You know, if you subscribe to it, you will always
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: be the first one to get, you know, clips for example,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: if you go on the web website project to gen X,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: you can watch the first three minutes and whatever its
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: forty seconds of.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: The movie for free.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 6: Right Well, that was available to my newsletter subscribers months ago,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: right so they were able to see it. And then
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: you know, whenever I have coupon's discounts and all that stuff,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 6: they are the first ones to you know, find out
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: about it and not just about this movie. Then you know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 6: whenever I have videos for my YouTube channel, they are
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: the first ones to get notified. So you know that
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: that's my way of building an audience and you know,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 6: rewarding them. And to me, that's really how, you know,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: how we're going to rise in this in this industry,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: in this Indian industry, because at the end of the day,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 6: it all comes back to the fan base.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 6: You look a guy like Kevin Smith another good example,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 6: you know, who really has sort of cut himself off
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 6: from Holly, like mainstream Hollywood in terms of filmmaking. Who
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 6: is you know, making more of his own stuff. Well
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 6: he's allowed, he's able to do that because he has
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: had almost twenty year career in Hollywood.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't have that, you know, so I have
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: to I have to adapt a slightly different model, which
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: you know, hopefully it's not going to take me twenty
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: years to get there. But you know, you look at
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: you look at YouTube guys, which that's sort of the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: model I'm adapting. You know, film right is a great
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: YouTube channel, uh where you know, you talk all about
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 6: film related and they have their fan base. And you know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: that's the approach I'm taking, which is, Okay, this is
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 6: the stuff I do. I talk about film related stuff,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 6: whether it's gear, whether it's techniques, all that stuff.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: Subscribe to my newsletter.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: You know you'll you'll get a book as free, which
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: is I think it's called how to Make a Movie
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: in your Own Living Room, which talks about my first movie.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: And then you know you'll be the first one.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: To get all my info, oh my sorry, all my
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: promo stuff and and all that stuff. And you know,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: it's it's working. I mean, it's it's it's definitely growing
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: and I'm happy with it. You know, it's certainly not
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: there where I want it to be at this point, but.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: You know it's growing.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: So that's that's the main thing, and that's how we
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: have to look at it. I know a lot of filmmakers.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: You know, young filmmakers are generation who are still trying
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 6: to adopt the old model, you know, who aren't as
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: active online, who don't have their own fan base and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: all that. And look, everyone, you know, there are people
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: every year who succeed with the old model. You know,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 6: you write a script, you it gets noticed by the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: right people, you get your funding. That's all great, but
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 6: that's a very small percentage, you know, And I don't
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: want to build, you know, put all my hopes and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 6: efforts into something that ultimately, yeah.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Might never be seen by anyone, you know.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 6: And that's that's also why I have, you know, an
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: issue with film festivals these days, where you know, I
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 6: love film festivals. That's all great, but the reality is,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 6: you know, ten years ago you might film festival X
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: may have received two hundred submissions. Now it's two million,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 6: you know, or who knows, however, so yeah, it's a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 6: lot more difficult to stand out. And I, you know,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: I just think by building your own audience, by you know,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 6: having people dedicated to you and what it is that
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: you were doing, will in the long run help you.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 6: And there's a lot of examples of that where you know,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: it works on YouTube and on online in general.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's very true.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: And you know, one of the other things that I've
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 5: noticed is is that once somebody gets a following on YouTube,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: they tend to go right to Patreon and they start
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: a Patreon account to get some you know, to have
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: people actually you know, fund them, whether it be five, ten,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: you know, fifteen dollars a month. I actually was researching
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Patreon and some of them, some of those channels are
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 5: pulling down a pretty good amount of money per month.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 5: I'm talking like thirteen, fifteen thousand per month. Now, I
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: don't know, this is what I always want to have a Patreon.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: I don't know how that divvys up between the members
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: or if that's just all has to go towards art,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: or if they're quitting their day jobs, and who the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: hell knows, because I guess it's a case by case situation.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: But you know, but I mean, you know, so there's
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: a lot of options now, which is a good thing.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: You know, it's not a war of eye it's not
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: a war anymore to get your film made. It's a
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: war of eyeballs and ears. So you know, you just
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: have to sort of chug along and figure out how Again,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: like we were saying when we started, you know, how,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: how are you going to stand out? You know, how
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: are you going to stand out from the pack? And
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: you know, how are you going to make sure that
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: you know, people know who you're you know, as soon
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: as it people put your movie, and how are they
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: going to know it's your movie?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: How are they going to know your style?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: And I think it's you know, I think that's a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: challenge now, is finding a voice, because I know I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: struggle to find my voice sometimes it's even in writing,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: even you know, when it's just me with a memo
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: pad and a pen, cause I still to old school.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: I try to disconnect from technology when I'm writing.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: I save the laptop and that and the other stuff
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: for later on. But for now, it's just you know,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: a pen and a paper.
• 1:19:51
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• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: But so you know.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: That that's you know, now I lost track now I'm
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: talking about pens of papers. But but no, I think
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: you know that's you know, there are these options out
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: there now, and you know, I think a lot of
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: filmmakers are trying to figure out, you know, how to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: actually how to actually make it work for them.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: As what I'm trying to.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: Say, oh absolutely, and look, by no means have I
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: figured it out. I just want to say that I
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: have figured out a lot, like I said, how to
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 6: make a movie. But when it comes to distribution, that's
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: still you know, that's a beast on its own.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: And you know, on one.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: Hand, you just have to understand the things that are
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 6: changing constantly, you know, and the things we talk about
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: right now, you know, a month from now there might
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 6: be another service that comes out that just wol blows
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: it out of the water, right, So you have.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: To be open to change.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 6: You you can't be stuck in the old ways because
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: you know, and I understand, the traditional way of making
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 6: and distributing a movie has been there for what sixty years,
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  Speaker 6: sixty plus years more than that, So I get it,
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  Speaker 6: you know, it was it's that's that's a that's a
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  Speaker 6: significant time, significant time in you know, in that industry.
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  Speaker 6: But much like when the first digital cameras came out
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  Speaker 6: ten ish years ago, you know, things have changed and
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  Speaker 6: things are changing and you need to understand that.
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  Speaker 4: And I get why A.
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  Speaker 6: Steven Spielberg type doesn't really care about it because he
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  Speaker 6: doesn't have to, you know, but a Bowie Adullah big
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  Speaker 6: type has to know because I don't have any of
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  Speaker 6: that of what Steven Spielberg has.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, be open to change and simply.
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  Speaker 6: Embrace it. And you know, understand that. You know, making
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  Speaker 6: a movie nowadays is not actually that difficult anymore. You know,
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  Speaker 6: it's difficult, but not as much. It's really what do
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: you do to get it noticed, to get it seen?
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  Speaker 6: You know, That's really what we need to tackle. And
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 6: that's what I'm constantly trying.
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  Speaker 4: To figure out. You know, I'm not worried about my
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  Speaker 4: next movie how to make it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, of course, I'm not going to be an
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  Speaker 6: argant prickins like, oh I got it all figured out,
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  Speaker 6: I don't, you know. But my bigger concern is, Okay,
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  Speaker 6: how do I get it seen? How do I frankly
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  Speaker 6: make money? You know, you have to make money off
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  Speaker 6: of it, because, like I said, you how else you're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to keep going and make more movies? You know,
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  Speaker 4: So that's a challenge.
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  Speaker 6: And but the more services come out like Patreon, like
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: VHX and all that, it makes me feel good, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I want an explosion of those services because eventually we'll
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 6: figure out something that is sustainable with in that.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's you know, that's true too, because you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: making money or making a profit on this is again
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: it's how you make your next film, unless you if
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: you go go in and make a movie and it's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 5: just the goal is just for experience or what have you,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: and you spend like two thousand bucks and you're just like, look,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna put.
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  Speaker 3: Up on YouTube.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: I don't maybe this will get me some hits, maybe
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: give me some subscribers, but I'm not gonna do this
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: for the you know, to make a profit or try
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: to sell this.
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  Speaker 3: Then that's fine that, you know, but if you're serious.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: About making this, you know, as a profit, you know,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: making it profitable, you have to actually have a business plan.
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  Speaker 3: You have to think this way, you know. You can't
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: just sort of go in.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: And say, well, I hope things work out, you know,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: because eventually someone's gonna come along. And this is a
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: story I'll say for another time, but I have a
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: friend of mine and he had the attitude and finally somebody,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: a big distributor came to him and actually asked him
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: for those materials, those business materials, those accounting materials and
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: everything else, and he was like, I don't have anything.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 5: I have no, I can't give you the budget, I
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: can't give you this, I can't give you that. And
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: there's a couple of things they asked them for and
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: eventually they just sort of walked. Very interesting story. I mean,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: I'll tell it some time or I'll bring him on
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 5: to tell it. But but you know, like you said,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of options out there, and you know,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: but yeah, we've been talking for about, you know, about
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 5: an hour twenty now, so you know, you know, in closing,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: is there anything you wanted to maybe say, any final
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: thoughts or closing thoughts you want to out of this conversation.
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  Speaker 6: You know, just want obviously thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 6: I really appreciate it, and you know, I love what
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 6: you're doing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: Keep doing it. We need guys like.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 6: You, you know, and I just want to just generally
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 6: tell everyone, you know, if you want to make a movie,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 6: make it.
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  Speaker 3: Do it.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: Obviously, be smart about it, think about all those things
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 4: But just do it.
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  Speaker 6: Man, Life's way too short. And like I said, if
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 6: you're smart about it. You can do all kinds of things. Also,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 6: if you are curious about my film, go project Eugenics
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 6: dot com. You can rent it, or you can purchase
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: just a movie, or there's a Filmmaker Edition which has
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 6: the making off features we talked about. And also I
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: have a promo quote that I created just for the
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  Speaker 6: It'll be even better. Oh no, wait, I'm trying to think.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 6: Think is it in US or Canadian? Anyway, it'll be
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 6: either better, it'll be the same. So yeah, it'll be
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  Speaker 6: it's fourteen ninety nine and then you'll get thirty percent
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: off of that for the Filmmaker Edition. So and yeah,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 6: if anyone has ever any questions, just you know, ask me.
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  Speaker 6: You can email me at info at dulabic Studio dot
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 6: com du L A B I C. Or just look
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: me up online. I'm very easily stockable online.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I found j just so here go.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: You know, I want to say thank you so much
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: for coming on boly on. I will everyone.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: Again, as always, I will link to everything we talked
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: about in the show notes all the I will even
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: link to the article that Ban wrote for Jason Brubaker's
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: website about how he made the film for five thousand dollars,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: and I'll look to everything else, all these social media sites,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: but we all want to see. Thanks you for coming on,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 5: and you know again I wish you the best of luck,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: you know, with with not with Projectujenics, whatever you're doing,
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: the whatever you're doing after Project Eugenics and all your
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: future projects.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 6: Thank you, my friend, and again thank you for having
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 6: me and absolutely keep on rocking, my friend.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for the same, buddy.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 1:26:48
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• 1:27:04
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• 1:27:09
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