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What A Great Interview with U.S. Rep. Kat Cammack · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get rolling here, third hour of the
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  Speaker 1: Morning Show with Preston Scott turning the page on the
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  Speaker 1: Rundown Show, fifty three oh nine. But who's counting? That's
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  Speaker 1: Jose over there in Studio one A. I am here
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  Speaker 1: in Studio one B, and I'm thrilled to have back
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  Speaker 1: with US congressional representative from Florida's third District, US Congresswoman
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  Speaker 1: Kat Cammick. Kat, how are you?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning? It is foggy here in Gainesville. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how it is. Were you up there in the panandle,
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  Speaker 2: but it is foggy down here this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's covering the entire north part of the state,
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  Speaker 1: central north part of the state. So yeah, we're we're
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  Speaker 1: in a fog zone as well.
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  Speaker 2: Here.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I've got to ask, how cool was it to
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  Speaker 1: be honored and go through the process of the Q
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  Speaker 1: and A to be considered for becoming Florida's next US Senator.
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  Speaker 2: It was a whirlwind, We'll say, really really cool. I mean, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: when you sit back and I thought about it, I
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  Speaker 2: just I was like, holy smokes, people like me are
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  Speaker 2: not supposed to make it to the House of Representatives ever,
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  Speaker 2: And so even the idea that that we were being
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  Speaker 2: considered and shortlisted for United States Senate was mind blowing
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  Speaker 2: and really really humbling. But yeah, the process actually was
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  Speaker 2: a bit of a headspin. And I actually we had
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  Speaker 2: known that we were being considered for a while. We
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  Speaker 2: had been put on the list, right, I'm using air
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  Speaker 2: quotes the list, but no one, you know, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have any information about like, oh, you're on the short
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  Speaker 2: list now, or you know, there's there's nothing that's telling
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  Speaker 2: you or anyone telling you that it's It was a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a rush at the end. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: we get a call that, hey, the governor wants to
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  Speaker 2: speak to you, and it's Sunday, and you know, Sunday afternoon,
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  Speaker 2: my one day off, and I'm in sweatpants and slippers
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  Speaker 2: and had had a very long but great conversation with
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  Speaker 2: the governor and his team and we it was honestly
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  Speaker 2: one of one of the best conversations that I've had
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  Speaker 2: because we were just talking about principles and policy and
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  Speaker 2: and philosophy and you don't ever really get to have
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  Speaker 2: those conversations very much, and so, uh, it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was awesome and to have have made it down to
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  Speaker 2: the wire was was pretty crazy. But the margins in
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  Speaker 2: the House, they got us, you know. Uh, that was
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  Speaker 2: a big worry for the Speaker of the House. I
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  Speaker 2: had a conversation with a speaker and with a President
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  Speaker 2: Trump's team, and the margins in the House was something
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  Speaker 2: that they were very, very afraid of tinkering with. So
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  Speaker 2: I think that excluded us in the very end.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you knew that on the Senate side the margin
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  Speaker 1: was going to stay the same because it's a guarantee
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  Speaker 1: that a Republican is going to get that seat by
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  Speaker 1: appointment through the governor. But you're right, you're the margins
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  Speaker 1: in the House. I knew that was going to be
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  Speaker 1: a challenge to overcome. Tell me this, how would you
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  Speaker 1: describe the first two weeks of the new administration.
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  Speaker 2: I cancited that the legacy media, bless their hearts, they
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  Speaker 2: would call it chaotic. But I think what we see,
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  Speaker 2: especially being in the mix of all of it, is
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  Speaker 2: it's strategic, or as Bush would say, strategery. When you
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  Speaker 2: have so many things happening at once, it's impossible for
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  Speaker 2: your opposition to focus in on a single thing and
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  Speaker 2: really mount an aggressive, effective attack on you, which has
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  Speaker 2: really been the playbook of the legacy media. They want
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  Speaker 2: to hone in on one thing and drive entire news
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  Speaker 2: cycles on one thing. But the way that I think
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  Speaker 2: President Trumps has really learned from the first administration to
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  Speaker 2: now is throw as much out there as you possibly
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  Speaker 2: can and let them just spin in circles and then
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  Speaker 2: they up looking like the crazy ones. But that's I
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  Speaker 2: think the strategy around how we've been able to throw
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  Speaker 2: the traditional legacy media attacks off of their game. But
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  Speaker 2: from an actual standpoint of what are we doing to
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  Speaker 2: get things done, it's been remarkable. I mean, it's like
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  Speaker 2: seeing four years worth of work in the span of
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  Speaker 2: a handful of weeks, and it's just hard not to
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  Speaker 2: keep smiling from ear to ear because these are all
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  Speaker 2: the things that we've talked about for years and we're
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  Speaker 2: actually seeing them get across the finish line.
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  Speaker 1: If you just look at what President Trump decided to
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  Speaker 1: do with tariffs on Mexico and Canada alone and what
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  Speaker 1: happened in the last twenty four hours, we're back to
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  Speaker 1: play in a little chess and it feels really good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, we saw under the Obama years where
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  Speaker 2: there were these movable red lines that really eroded and
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  Speaker 2: undermined the confidence really of enemies and allies alike in
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  Speaker 2: the credibility of America's word. Because if we all remember,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was that red line, and then that
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  Speaker 2: red line got crossed and instead of thinking true to
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  Speaker 2: his word, Obama well he kind of just like erased
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  Speaker 2: it and fudged it and redrew it. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: that was the moment I think when the world said, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so they're not really serious. And now you're seeing where
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  Speaker 2: President Trump is saying, no, we've been wronged for decades
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to right those wrongs and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to start here. And if you're not willing to come
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  Speaker 2: to the table, then it's on you. You'll pay the
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  Speaker 2: price for that. We've seen that now with Canada, of course, China, Mexico,
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  Speaker 2: and we saw immediately Mexico came to the table and
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  Speaker 2: said JK JK, we'll send ten thousand troops and we'll
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  Speaker 2: protect the border. Look at what happened was Columbia. Their
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  Speaker 2: president tried to be cute on social media, turning around
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  Speaker 2: the plane saying, oh, they're not being treated well, these
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  Speaker 2: are rapist murderers, gang them and the president of Columbia
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  Speaker 2: is concerned that these individuals are in handcuffs, Like what
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  Speaker 2: does that say about him? I mean, absolutely ridiculous. And
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  Speaker 2: then he caved immediately. And I have to say I
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  Speaker 2: was down at Trump's Trump deral in South Florida for
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  Speaker 2: our GOP retreat where we were working through the reconciliation package,
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  Speaker 2: and I ran into my friend Mike Waltz, who's now
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  Speaker 2: President Trump's National security advisor, and I said, how did
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  Speaker 2: that day go? And he said it was insane. We
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  Speaker 2: were on the golf course and between Whole three and
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  Speaker 2: Hoole five, that whole deal got done. And I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in a normal administration that would have taken
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  Speaker 2: like a year, and he said, yeah, it's ridiculous. That
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  Speaker 2: is the difference is Trump knows there's no time to
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  Speaker 2: waste and he is not going to allow the United
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  Speaker 2: States to be bullied or pushed around anymore. And so
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  Speaker 2: the message is getting sent and people are listening.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned the GOP retreat and reconciliation package. Are we
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  Speaker 1: going to see a budget in this can Congress?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? So there's two elements here. You have the budget
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  Speaker 2: resolution that is tied to the reconciliation package. And this
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  Speaker 2: is where everyone really is going to become very wonky
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  Speaker 2: and nerdy. But it's all for our benefit because if
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  Speaker 2: people know how this stuff is put together, they become
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  Speaker 2: better advocates for better government. And so there's a couple
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  Speaker 2: of things here. You're going to have the budget resolution
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  Speaker 2: for the reconciliation which is separate from the budget resolution
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  Speaker 2: for appropriation, and so stick with me here. The reason
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  Speaker 2: why that's important is because reconciliation is a tool that
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  Speaker 2: we get to use that allows us to bust the
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  Speaker 2: filibuster that you can only use one and it is
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  Speaker 2: where we only need a simple majority in the House
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  Speaker 2: and the Senate in order to actually move a pile
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  Speaker 2: of policy and spell and spending reduction bills. That is
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  Speaker 2: something that's coming very very soon here in the next
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  Speaker 2: two weeks, so you'll hear about a budget resolution that
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  Speaker 2: is simply for the reconciliation package, which leadership pegged that
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  Speaker 2: at three hundred billion dollars in cuts. Many of us
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  Speaker 2: feel that that is not near enough. We have a
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  Speaker 2: very very long list of items of things that we
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  Speaker 2: feel the taxpayers could not fund and their everyday life
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  Speaker 2: would not just be non interrupted, but it would be
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  Speaker 2: it would improve. We want people to have more money
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  Speaker 2: in their pocket, and so that is one thing. Then
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  Speaker 2: you look at the appropriation side, and this is where
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  Speaker 2: people get frustrated, because the appropriators have to appropriate to
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  Speaker 2: a top line number. And the frustrating part is always
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  Speaker 2: there squabbling over a little belta that's a billion or
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  Speaker 2: a couple billion here or there, whatever. And I know
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  Speaker 2: I say that, I don't mean to be glid, but
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  Speaker 2: no reason I point that out is because they're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to fight for this number, and then the
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  Speaker 2: next person says, well I want it lower, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let's just say it's twenty billion dollars. At
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  Speaker 2: one point, I actually and I think I told you this.
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  Speaker 2: I stood up in confidence in front of all my
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  Speaker 2: colleagues and I said, you guys are gaslighting the American people.
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  Speaker 2: Stop saying that you're fighting for fiscal sanity because you're
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  Speaker 2: full of crap. We borrow seven point eight billion dollars
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  Speaker 2: a day. Don't tell me that what you borrow in
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  Speaker 2: effectively a week is going to make a difference in anything.
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  Speaker 2: All you're doing is this this dog and pony show
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  Speaker 2: for political reasons. Stop pretending you're not being fiscal conservative.
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  Speaker 2: So we need to actually get to that budget and
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  Speaker 2: stick to that top line number whatever it is, right,
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  Speaker 2: because regular order is going to actually get us away
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  Speaker 2: from the Nancy Pelosi spending priorities which we're still living under.
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  Speaker 1: Tax policy, obviously, there are things being floated around about
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  Speaker 1: what may or may not come in terms of reductions
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  Speaker 1: of taxes or even the mechanisms for paying taxes. I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to ask this question. I have been opening on
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  Speaker 1: the program that as I'm nearing quote retirement age, I
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  Speaker 1: mean some would say I'm past it already at sixty four,
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  Speaker 1: but that the government tells us when we have to
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  Speaker 1: start taking social Security, when we start have to we
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  Speaker 1: have to start taking money out of our four oh
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  Speaker 1: one k Why is it the government's business on any
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's so funny that you say that, because Jess, yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: I was having that conversation with a group of stakeholders
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  Speaker 2: here in Florida as we're going through the reconciliation process,
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  Speaker 2: and it's an idea that it doesn't get talked about
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  Speaker 2: very often, and no one has actually taken the time
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  Speaker 2: to sit down and put a put a score on it,
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  Speaker 2: meaning you know how how this would positively impact people
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  Speaker 2: and their finances versus any impact whatever to the economy.
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  Speaker 2: And so I got very curious and I actually sent
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  Speaker 2: it to my team and I said, hey, start working
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  Speaker 2: this up, because it really is not any business of
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  Speaker 2: the government. If you have a job, you want to
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  Speaker 2: keep working, there should be no requirement that you have
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  Speaker 2: to take money out at their schedule. This is the
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  Speaker 2: part of government that has gotten so big and bloated
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  Speaker 2: and overgrown, is that they want to tell you how
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  Speaker 2: to live your life, and they basically dictate the terms
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  Speaker 2: by which you have to And so it's your money,
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  Speaker 2: you should be able to keep it in savings if
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  Speaker 2: you want, pull it out at the time of your choosing.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just one of those things that I'm very
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  Speaker 2: curious how the economic impact stud he's going to come
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  Speaker 2: back on it, because I think it's actually going to
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  Speaker 2: come back very favorable. And there's probably a reason for
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  Speaker 2: decades and decades that they've had this setup because they
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  Speaker 2: think that once again and it's the government's money, when
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  Speaker 2: the fact we all know it's our money.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and if you if you carve out social Security
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  Speaker 1: because we all know it's it's sort of kind of
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  Speaker 1: a pyramid Ponzi kind of scheme. We're taking from others.
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  Speaker 1: Our money's already gone. We know all that. But if
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  Speaker 1: you look at strictly the four oh one K, So
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  Speaker 1: what if someone wants to take forty thousand dollars out
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  Speaker 1: of their four oh one k when they're fifty years
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  Speaker 1: old because they want to, So what why should they
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  Speaker 1: pay a penalty for doing that when it's their money.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the private sector in the sense of it's
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  Speaker 1: privately invested, and the fact of the matter is, so
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  Speaker 1: they have forty thousand dollars less in the market to
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  Speaker 1: earn interest on. That's their penalty.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing to even take it one step further,
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't realize this, but for
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  Speaker 2: those that have roth iras you put in say seven
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year into your roth ira, right, which
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  Speaker 2: again I think the fulment on that is ridiculous as well.
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  Speaker 2: But let's just say you put in your seven thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year into your roth ira. Everyone has been
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  Speaker 2: conditioned from the time that they've opened that account that
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  Speaker 2: they will get a penalty if they take that money
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  Speaker 2: out with a ross IRA and the IRS is not
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  Speaker 2: very transparent on this, but they ought to be. You
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  Speaker 2: can take that money without penalty so long as it's
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  Speaker 2: not the gains that you've made in the market on it. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So if you put in fourteen thousand dollars and now
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  Speaker 2: it's maybe twenty thousand dollars because of what it's gained
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  Speaker 2: in the market, you can take that fourteen thousand out
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  Speaker 2: at any time. And I'm not a tax professional nor
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  Speaker 2: a financial advisor, so for my displaymer here we go.
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  Speaker 2: This is not official advice. But from a policy standpoint,
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  Speaker 2: that to me is ridiculous that people have paid penalties
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  Speaker 2: on that. Because the IRS they're little known thing. You
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  Speaker 2: can report that on your taxes and they can't penalize
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  Speaker 2: you for it, but people still end up paying a penalty.
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  Speaker 2: So there's all these little weird loopholes and things that
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we need to close. I think we
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  Speaker 2: need to do a much better job of getting people
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  Speaker 2: in the mindset of letting them know that it's your money.
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  Speaker 2: Like I have such a hard time, especially with colleagues
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  Speaker 2: who continue to come at this from the perspective of, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, if we don't do this and we do.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, how did we get to this this
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  Speaker 2: mindset in the first place. It's ridiculous that the American
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  Speaker 2: people pay for ridiculous programs I mean USAID, and that's
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  Speaker 2: in the news right now heavily. We're paying for all
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  Speaker 2: these programs overseas for individuals that Congress never authorized, and
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  Speaker 2: then we pay penalties for you know, touching our own money.
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  Speaker 2: That to me is just so bizarre and really a
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  Speaker 2: mindset that needs to change in the country because if
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  Speaker 2: we the people make these demands of our elected officials,
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  Speaker 2: things will change. But we have to be engaged. And
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  Speaker 2: so I'm really grateful for your program and everything that
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  Speaker 2: you do to keep people up to speed of what's
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  Speaker 2: really going on in our nation's capital.
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  Speaker 1: Kat, thank you, and I volunteer to testify if you
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  Speaker 1: ever get to that place. I'll bring my show up
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  Speaker 1: to Washington, DC for a day to testify on this subject.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, no cut words, but that's fun.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I never I never, well, I can't say that
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  Speaker 1: that would be a lie. I've seldom used a bad
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  Speaker 1: word on this show in twenty three years. But anyway, Kat,
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  Speaker 1: feel better, safe travels back to the Capitol, and thank you.
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  Speaker 1: For all you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, appreciate you so much. Have a good one.