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What’s Your Roman Empire? · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  Welcome to another episode of the Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. I'm Nicole here with my other junkies.
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  Olivia. And Shauna.
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  And let's talk about what we have been obsessed with this week as we always do.
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  What have you guys been watching, reading, since we are readers here at the Pop Culture Junkie Podcast?
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  We're so educated and educated. We learned how to read recently. It's been an incredible experience.
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  Call me Farah. Call me Farah, I learned how to read. Call me Farah. I love it.
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  I have recently been obsessed with this Kate Middleton thing. Have you guys been seeing any of it?
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  Maybe you saw a meme about a BBL?
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  Okay, the BBL you're going to have to fill me in on because all I know is that she was last seen.
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  No pun intended.
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  Fill me in with that BBL baby because my cheeks are ready to be large with knowledge.
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  Okay, Kim. No, she got hers reduced, right?
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  Maybe allegedly.
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  I want them to be girthy. So fill me with knowledge.
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  I want them to be girthy.
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  Okay, but is that basically what you've seen?
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  So she's been, you know, she had abdominal surgery in December, but they didn't really say what it was for.
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  They being the palace or whatever.
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  But she hasn't been seen in the public since then. And now for British Mothers Day, she released a cringely Photoshop picture of her in her three step for children looking like a cable.
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  Yeah, yeah. I've also seen that she's dead.
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  Yes. Yes. I so okay. So she's either dead, had a BBL or what I said is maybe she's just figure it in some way.
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  This is all so fucked up. I'm so sorry. It's starting off strong.
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  So tell me about the BBL drama.
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  I've never heard that.
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  Yes. Okay. So you have a lot of the early facts, right?
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  And so at the same exact time, they were kind of putting out that Charles was also going to be having surgery.
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  A BBL?
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  No, they were, they were both going in. They said Kate was going in for abdominal and King Charles was going in for a BBL.
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  Charles was going in for like a pancreas issue or whatever.
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  Yeah. Like I'm dying. And then it came out that he has cancer as well in this process.
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  And people were kind of like like a helicopter was above Buckingham Palace. And then right after that people were like,
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  okay, well, why is Kate taking four months or four weeks in the hospital to recover from an abdominal surgery?
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  Yeah, that seems like something that would be kind of an outpatient.
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  So that is so much time for like any surgery, but okay, whatever.
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  Like maybe it was that. And then she hasn't been seen.
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  And this kind of discourse and like a lot of the means came up where it's like, okay,
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  is actually just going for a BBL because it takes four weeks to like recover from a BBL.
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  That's what's going on. Whatever you're doing, slag, girl.
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  But yeah, so that's where the memes kind of came from. And then like there's been a lot of chatter about it because she still hasn't like shown up.
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  And so this week, like that Photoshop thing happened.
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  And then they made Kate like post an apology and be like, like most of us amateur photographers,
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  we have some Photoshop. That was a little friend.
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  It's like, really even poster on your own Instagram in like, yeah, don't pretend like that it's the Palace is letting you take control of your family pictures
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  and editing them on what fucking airbrush app or something like come on.
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  Yeah. And then what's crazier is right after that, the AP, the Associated Press issues a kill notice on the photo.
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  And so this has been too doctored to actually like approve it.
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  Yeah. And so they're like, don't use this picture as Kate has been seen anymore.
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  And I was trying to find the frequency of when the Associated Press like actually does this.
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  And it's not very often that they just say it like this is been so altered that it says it even counts journalist.
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  Yeah. And like there's not like real data for how often they do that.
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  So it's like hard to say, but it's not like the public statement that they make.
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  And they released another one of her in a car and the bricks are different like on the top.
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  And like that was kind of the picture.
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  And it's like very clearly a photo of her a year and a half ago that they just kind of like Photoshop.
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  You know what? I bet you anything. This woman has had three children right.
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  She's in what her early 40s. I bet you anything she had a mommy makeover.
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  Yeah. I bet she had a tummy tuck, maybe a breast lift.
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  And the palace doesn't want to say that the princess is getting plastic surgery.
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  Yeah.
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  Like and so there just be real weird.
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  But now it's like, they're making it more weird and shady by not just saying.
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  Yeah. Like yeah. Well, now they're like trying to like legal this stuff.
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  And it has taken away a lot of attention from Charles.
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  Yeah.
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  Who is like actively like actively like the king who like got air lifted out of fucking
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  Alice. She's like, you know, like so I think it's really interesting.
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  It's kind of like heating up like at first. I thought I was funny.
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  It's like, oh, she's like doing something who cares.
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  But yeah, that's what's really been my obsession this week.
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  Interesting. Real question though. Are we team cater team Megan?
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  Oh, Megan. Okay.
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  I like Megan. Yeah. I mean, no one can't.
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  No, I think that had both like have the same flight in life.
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  You know what? I agree with that. I don't think I want to take a side between them.
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  Okay. And I think that I do like Megan is definitely used more as like a punching bag.
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  But she's also not going to be the queen of England in the future.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  It's kind of like the like the system of it all. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. They both have like the overarching just I'm sure their lives are obviously their lives
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  are under a microscope. And we're talking about this woman's potential flathead beer.
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  Right now. Did she have a face with maybe a no-strop of a Google fat?
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  A Google fat removal. Yeah. Wow.
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  Well, I hope everyone is okay, including the king of England.
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  She's not out to the king of England. He's listening long time listener.
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  Long time fan. Yeah. Oh, jeez.
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  Yeah. Oh, jeez.
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  No, jeez. You're talking listener. Always in the DMs. Always in the DMs.
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  What about you, Nicole?
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  I've been obsessed with a survivor. The show.
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  What? Yeah. Wow. Like season one. No. So season like 427 or so.
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  Yeah. Okay. So Anthony and I, I don't know if I've ever mentioned his name,
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  but Anthony is my boyfriend. We. Yeah. We have.
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  That's like our show. So we have watched the most previous full season,
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  which is 45. And just recently we just watched season 44 and like three days.
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  And each episode is about like 45 minutes long.
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  So you guys been Netflix and chillin a lot. Yeah.
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  We just literally watching it though. She's like,
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  "Stop it. I'm trying to watch survivor. Stop it."
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  But it's so interesting. Except for so I was like a survivor like what the heck.
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  But it's so interesting. Yeah. I'm hooked because I want to continue watching it.
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  And I'm like, well, I don't want to start a new season without him.
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  So I don't want him getting mad at me. So now I've also started an amazing race on my own.
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  Oh, my God. Oh, no. So now I'm getting into that.
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  And then I was just on a trip this past a few days ago.
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  And one of the pilots told me that I need to start traders.
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  Oh, I've heard it's amazing. And I've said that that's a really good show.
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  That's kind of like it. It's like, have you ever if you ever played assassins when you were a kid?
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  Or like mafia. Yeah. So you said it's literally that but celebrities are playing it.
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  Like, I know people who the traders are, but they don't.
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  Yeah. So probably my name is a church.
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  They brought people from like big brother survivor, like the challenge and stuff like that to play on the first season.
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  So they brought reality TV stars in on it.
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  So I'm like, okay, well now I have to watch that because we all know I'm a reality TV person.
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  And I think he said it was either on Hulu or Peacock. So I'll have to find it like it's Peacock.
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  He said he said he said he could be a key.
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  So now I'm going to probably be obsessed with that in the next episode that we record.
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  So be on the lookout for that.
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  Do watch season one of survivor. I'm going to have to age myself here for a second.
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  Like I remember that shit came out and the first season's winner.
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  Oh, maybe I won't tell you what was that.
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  Please don't. I don't want to spoil the winner from 25 years.
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  It's a survivor is like early early reality.
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  Yeah. Like challenge like show.
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  Yeah. It can be a 20 to 20 iconic.
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  And I'm going to say one iconic quote, but I don't won't say who said it.
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  Even if you were dying of thirst on a desert island, I would not give you a glass of water.
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  I would watch you die in walk away.
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  Oh, that season one.
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  Yes.
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  Okay. I'm going to watch that.
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  Oh, okay.
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  Yeah. I feel like I've seen episodes when I've never seen a fall season.
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  It gets you hooked.
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  Like after first couple episodes, I'm like, okay, now I have to see who goes home.
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  Yeah.
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  Cause there's people that end up in the final three and I'm like, I really do not know how you got here.
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  Like especially season 44, there was one girl.
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  I forgot what her name was, but I'm just like, how?
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  She kind of flew under the radar.
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  And then the strategy of them.
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  She did not win one challenge.
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  She was absolutely terrible at every challenge.
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  But she was just the one that kind of became friends with everybody.
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  She probably seemed like non threatening.
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  Yeah.
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  She's chill.
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  I think she's Caroline.
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  Yeah.
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  Caroline was her name.
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  I was in the win at 45 seasons.
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  People just look at that and are like, oh, I have seen every season of the show.
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  I'm going to win that money.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah. They're like, I know what to do.
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  I know how to manipulate this.
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  I did recently.
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  I want to talk about what I actually been obsessed with this week.
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  And it wasn't this but real quick.
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  What I put on in the background sometimes when I'm just bored at home or I'm working from home and like doing stuff that I need like noise is.
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  I know this is so problematic but the biggest loser.
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  I know it's so fucked up but they have some of the season's a little and I.
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  You sent me like a snapchat video of you watching the my 400 pound.
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  That's my first one.
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  This is my 200 pound life.
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  Don't take those 200 pounds from oh my gosh.
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  I do also watch reruns of my 600 pound lives.
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  Do you do?
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  I like those like transformation stories.
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  I know it's so fucked up.
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  Yeah.
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  And like some of those people on like the biggest loser.
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  Well, it's cannot recently.
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  They're doing suit a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  Because they lost all that weight so fast that it messed up all of their metabolism.
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  Yeah.
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  They spread those seasons.
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  I don't know how it's going to be.
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  I like watching like the difference when Jillian Michaels and Bob Harper are there and then you can kind of tell when they start getting gentler with people Jillian leaves and instead of like climbing up people's backs and calling them fat asses.
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  Which imagine that is probably not the best way to encourage someone to change their lifestyle.
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  They start being like, tell me about your childhood.
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  Let's talk about what happened when you were six.
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  And you can't stop eating people qualified to be talking about.
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  No, absolutely not.
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  It's trash television.
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  But my actual thing that I've been most excited about that I watched recently was doomed to.
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  Was it enough Sunday?
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So in part one, she was kind of teased and like she's there, but she is not one of the main characters.
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  And this one, she is one of the main characters.
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  And I don't know how familiar you guys are with like the new universe.
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  Okay.
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  So it's so convoluted.
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  I can't sum a lot of stuff up right now.
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  I know like eight original books and then there's like 16 not so great.
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  So there's some that were written by Frank Herbert.
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  He passed away and his son took over.
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  Some of them get a little weird.
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  Okay.
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  Dune parts one and two are based on the original novel Dune by Frank Herbert.
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  Okay.
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  Just the first part.
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  Yes.
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  And then there's two parts.
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  There was a movie that came out in the 80s called Dune, which I also watched this week.
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  Is that like a video game like first person?
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  No, you're thinking of Dune.
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  Close.
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  Where these walking through the like, yeah, okay.
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  But I love that you know that.
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  Yeah.
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  So Dune is like a planet.
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  It's like a desert planet and it's full of spice, which is sand.
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  This is what it's a hallucinogenic.
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  It also kind of is like the fuel for their life, right?
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  So the one planet that all these families are kind of fighting for.
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  Arrakis is just full of the spice.
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  Paul, a treatise our main character, Timothy, Shalameh.
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  Is he's our main character?
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  Spoilers for Dune here.
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  That's all I'm gonna say.
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  A lot of people think that he's supposed to be like your hero.
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  He's more nuanced than that, especially if you've read the books.
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  Okay.
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  The movie from the 80s is pure sci-fi, cheesy ridiculousness.
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  Like Dune, like they go a little ambitious making it.
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  Yes.
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  It's absurd.
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  And they try to smush the entire novel into one like hour, 45 minute long movie.
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  Doesn't Dune want like three hours?
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  Yeah, they're both like three hours long.
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  Now these most recent ones.
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  This one from the 80s.
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  My husband is reading the first book and he's almost done with it.
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  He looks amazing.
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  He's like, "I'm pretty good at that for a while."
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  Yeah, listen, he's a slow reader.
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  He just learned too.
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  We both just learned.
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  I'm very proud of our progress.
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  I'm not proud of your progress.
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  Dune's first book is like a fucking bible.
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  That thing is said.
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  Yeah, they're like little tests.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay, my husband's a good reader.
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  He's really smart.
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  He's so smart.
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  He's really handsome.
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  He's so smart.
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  Love you, babe.
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  And we watched this movie from the 80s and we were like, "We have no idea what the fuck's going on."
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  He's reading the book and we both see Dune.
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  He's still about to get it.
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  It's one and two from the most recent year.
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  And we're like, "I wish I did acid.
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  I wanted to start for a split second."
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  The visuals were good?
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  No.
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  I don't know.
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  Maybe we should watch it drunk.
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  We'll do it.
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  We'll find some acid.
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  We've got to watch the American Mary.
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  We'll do them both.
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  I am obsessed with TikTok.
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  I live on TikTok.
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  If I go through my settings and look at my screen time, TikTok has probably got the most
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  Oh God, I don't even want to live on it.
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  Definitely.
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  Yeah.
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  It's shameful.
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  And one of the big things that has been on TikTok, I don't know if you guys have seen
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  it, is the Roman Empire.
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  Oh my God, yeah.
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  And then mostly being obsessed with the Roman Empire and either their wives, girlfriends,
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  I don't know.
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  Much how many times a day these men think about the Roman Empire and they come back with the
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  No, I didn't.
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  I sure did.
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  He's probably like seeing it by now.
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  It was so great when it first came out.
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  I'm like, no one had seen it yet.
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  I'm like, it true that people were like, every day.
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  Why are you thinking about every day?
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  And you're just like, how are you?
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  Like, that's how you all fall asleep too easily.
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  And try to send once a month.
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  Yeah, that's how they're all falling asleep so quickly.
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  They're just like, oh yeah, Julia Caesar.
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  Each and every single thing you've ever done wrong and they're just like, oh, irrigation
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  But one thing, my favorite television show of all time is Buffy the Vampire Slyer.
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  Yes, that could be my Roman Empire.
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  I've talked about it enough on the show.
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  We all know.
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  But what about it, Buffy, and overlaps with my other fandoms?
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  It's this trope called "Inemies to Lovers."
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  Shadow Daddy.
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  "Inemies to Lovers" is my favorite literary cinematic romance trope of all time.
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  So it is a popular narrative device where two characters start off as adversaries
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  or enemies and eventually fall in love over the course of the story.
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  So it ups that tension and fervor.
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  I'm like from a grandiose, so you've got on enemies.
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  Sir, enemies.
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  Adversaries.
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  I think of it, "Fall in Love."
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  I think of it a little more, but I was about to say that.
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  "Defas."
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  They fall in love by the end of the show, "Defas."
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  Just continue talking about Buffy and Shadow Daddy.
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  Yeah, just for you.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  The enemies to love us trope is popular.
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  I love my favorite, Ray and Kylo Ren from Star Wars.
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  I love that tension and drama that it creates.
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  I take my ships very seriously.
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  I take my ships very seriously.
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  I take my ships very seriously.
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  If I'm watching a show or reading a book, and I ship two characters,
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  it's really hard for me to break that.
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  I want them to be together.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  I feel like a lot of it starts in the beginning of the show.
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  Literally, one of the first things Buffy says to Spike when he has to help her,
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  like, defeat Angelus is,
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  I hate you.
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  And then it goes into, I strongly dislike you.
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  And then it goes into, do you even like me?
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  Sometimes.
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  And then the very last episode, I love you.
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  Right? It's like that progression.
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  People who have watched Parks and Rack,
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  been in Leslie.
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  Were enemies to Levers? Like in the beginning, Ben comes and she's,
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  and he's totally like,
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  Leslie feels threatened by him.
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  I like he's trying to shut down the Parks Department.
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  Levers.
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  And then Bulma and Vegeta shout out to Kira Toriyama.
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  He is the creator of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super.
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  Probably one of the most influential enemies of all time.
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  And he passed away this week at 68.
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  Yeah.
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  So it's kind of like,
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  I've seen this like ripple through the anime community,
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  us nerds.
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  And we're all really shocked and sad,
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  but love Dragon Ball.
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  And another one of my favorites is Bulma and Vegeta.
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  Vegeta kind of comes to plan her Earth.
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  And he's supposed to destroy the planet.
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  Yeah.
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  And so falling in love and having a beautiful family with Bulma.
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  So I like that tension.
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  I like that story building.
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  And that's why it's my remnant pie,
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  because I figured,
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  and then even with our books that we're reading,
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  like I don't want to spoil too much,
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  but he literally the first book.
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  A quarter thorns in Rosa series.
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  Yeah, like all of them.
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  I also really love a enemy's to lover, strobe.
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  I like probably read that the most.
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  But then I was thinking about it.
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  And I was like,
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  I literally never will forgive a man if he acts that way in real life.
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  So that is true, actually.
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  It's like,
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  I've never fallen in love with my enemy before.
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  Yeah.
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  Like I feel like it has to be something that's in more of like a fantastical universe.
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  Yeah. I feel like it's a way to like represent like a toxic relationship
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  without like it being like,
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  Oh, that person's just kind of like abusing you.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, there's an asshole.
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  Yeah.
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  I have an adversarial relationship.
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  But yeah.
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  And I do feel like there is something to be said that some of these relationships
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  can be seen as toxic and abusive like Buffy and Spike for sure.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, Buffy fans know the one episode.
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  And I mean, Ryan Kylo tried to kill each other.
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  Yeah.
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  But I do think that the enemies to lover's trope kind of talks about like redemption.
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  And that a lot of these,
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  it's the man working towards redemption in some way, right?
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  Like even with once upon a time,
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  I used to love that show.
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  I do love that show.
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  Oh my god.
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  It's not a little quirky.
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  Yeah.
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  Like we're enemies.
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  Yeah.
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  And Huck was never like that terribly abusive of him.
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  But he was a bad guy.
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  He's Captain Hook.
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  And I just, I love a good,
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  I love his eyeliner in that show.
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  He's so fucking hot.
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  I love a man and I.
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  He's also in what's the Shakespeare.
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  Shakespeare in love.
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  Is he Colin McDonough here?
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  He's in that.
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  I was just like a scary movie too.
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  And she's like, Shakespeare in love.
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  And she gets stabbed.
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  Sorry, just I know.
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  I'm all on over.
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  I know.
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  All on over.
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  Yeah.
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  We love it.
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  We love it.
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  The Roman Empire.
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  Redemption arcs,
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  men and eyeliner,
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  sexual tension.
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  That's my Roman Empire.
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  That's a good one.
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  Yeah.
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  What about Unicorn?
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  Mine is not so much pop culture.
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  Yes.
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  I made it my own word.
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  We're putting it in.
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  It was a beautiful word.
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  It sounded French.
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  That bit of culture.
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  It sounded like a Japanese-style.
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  It sounded like a Japanese-style.
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  And if you know anything about the movie, it is a really good movie, not even if you were an ask our friend.
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  It's so funny.
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  It's so funny.
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  I freaking love that movie.
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  He's so stupid, buddy.
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  I freaking love that movie.
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  He's so stupid, buddy.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Anything with "Wolf Arrow" is just funny.
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  Oh my god, there's so many iconic lines from the movie.
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  I like crying, like, "Five pound, yeah, baby Jesus."
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  It's my favorite Jesus.
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  I like my Jesus in a tuxedo.
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  Oh, perfect.
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  Jesus is...
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  I love an empire right here.
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  Okay, so "Wolf Arrow" was...
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  I bet there's a lot of straight-o white men out there.
• 31:17
  Yeah, probably.
• 31:18
  We're gonna get an open subscriber from that.
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  Probably.
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  So I called it too.
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  In college.
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  I didn't have like cable.
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  And like, I only paid for internet.
• 31:26
  And I have like eight movies in "Taliday" and "Nights" was one of them.
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  And so I would just put it on so much.
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  Like, I could probably act out the entire movie.
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  Which is like one of those good background movies.
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  So, like my 600 pound life.
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  Put it on the background.
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  Keep going about your day.
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  Yes.
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  But I'll cheat.
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  Yeah, just like my one empire, I think about it a lot just because again, it happened to me in person.
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  I was able to experience that.
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  It will take experience.
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  That's really cool.
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  In person.
• 31:54
  And it was just really, really cool to see my favorite driver win at one of the most iconic
• 31:57
  tracks in NASCAR.
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  And that's not something that everyone can experience in their lifetime.
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  And...
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  Was that a big party?
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  No.
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  I mean, he's been the most popular driver.
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  Literally, that's...
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  They have like, boats and everything like that at the end of the awards.
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  And he's been the most popular driver for years now.
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  But he's just not been good the past couple of years.
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  Like last year he was not good because he was out for seven weeks, but that's besides the
• 32:27
  point.
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  Abdominal surgery.
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  It was so cool.
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  We're really happy.
• 32:31
  Yeah.
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  He's also...
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  He's with Kate Memelton.
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  Yeah.
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  But that's a real thing.
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  But yeah.
• 32:37
  So I would say that's my one empire.
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  It's not that exciting.
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  It's exciting.
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  It's exciting.
• 32:41
  If you get to see like your favorite sport or your favorite actor or your favorite band
• 32:45
  like, I saw A.F.I. perform my favorite album of all time last year.
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  And it was...
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  It was Roman Empire up there.
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  It was...
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  It's the answer to you.
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  Yeah.
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  And I was able to...
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  We had me and my friend that went...
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  We had Infield Passes, which basically just means you get to go...
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  Literally like in Infield where you see like all the RVs in the middle.
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  That's cool.
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  Like in the movie where his mom and his sons were like in the middle of the RV.
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  We were literally in there.
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  We got to walk on the track, sign our name on the start finish line.
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  I'm gonna go to an awesome game someday.
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  Game match.
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  Race.
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  Race.
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  It was just here in Phoenix.
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  I feel like I do that every time.
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• 35:12
  Taylor Swift is one of the best poets of our generation,
• 35:17
  and she really writes these meaningful and really deep,
• 35:20
  like, songs and things like that.
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  And so I would say, yeah, I know a lot about Taylor's
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  to a slide. - She narrates
• 35:27
  the female experience. - Yeah.
• 35:28
  - She does a really good job.
• 35:30
  And to be like a billionaire,
• 35:32
  but to be able to write so well that I can relate to you,
• 35:35
  young girls can relate to you in so many different ways.
• 35:38
  I think she is a really amazing writer,
• 35:40
  just as a whole.
• 35:42
  And I will say, I think the most interesting part about her
• 35:45
  is that?
• 35:46
  Yes, I think her personal life is interesting
• 35:48
  in the way that it ties into the music.
• 35:52
  But one of the things that I think really got me
• 35:55
  super obsessed with a lyrical analysis
• 35:57
  and understanding her,
• 35:59
  I'm like, what she was trying to say
• 36:00
  is something that people call "gaylor."
• 36:04
  And now this is very, very controversial.
• 36:07
  So I'm gonna try to be as sensitive
• 36:09
  and kind of just talk about what I think is interesting
• 36:12
  in this.
• 36:13
  I am going to say, I do not know anything
• 36:14
  about this woman's personal life.
• 36:16
  Like even what's in media is very manufactured
• 36:20
  and things like that.
• 36:21
  So I just wanna put that out there.
• 36:22
  - It's a little gossipy, but I feel like that's,
• 36:25
  okay, it's like Taylor's with fans break down her lyrics.
• 36:28
  - So hard.
• 36:30
  - Yeah, and if it's about a man, it's not problematic.
• 36:32
  But what I wanna kind of talk about
• 36:35
  and I think is so interesting
• 36:37
  and like always comes across my mind is Taylor Swift
• 36:40
  uses a lot of very queer references
• 36:45
  and queer nods within her music
• 36:49
  and within her lyrical analysis.
• 36:51
  And it is really interesting to think about her public persona
• 36:54
  as she's this boy obsessed person.
• 36:57
  And so I'll give some examples, but you know,
• 37:00
  like lavender marriage is like when a lesbian and a gay guy
• 37:06
  would get married back in the olden days
• 37:10
  to actually kind of like conceal their sexual identities.
• 37:13
  So they were married to each other
• 37:14
  but they had their own personal lives.
• 37:16
  And so that is a very well-known term,
• 37:19
  especially in the queer community,
• 37:21
  even outside of that.
• 37:22
  And then probably even still takes place today, unfortunately.
• 37:25
  And like places in a country is in a family relationship
• 37:29
  where you can't be fully yourself.
• 37:31
  But okay, so this is like two people who can't,
• 37:35
  they're married to each other for whatever purpose
• 37:37
  whatever convenience, but they get to be themselves.
• 37:39
  - Yeah, and it's purely for the fact of like hiding
• 37:42
  your sexual orientation from the public.
• 37:45
  And Taylor Swift just released Midnight's,
• 37:47
  which has lavender haze.
• 37:48
  - I love that. - I'm, and you know,
• 37:50
  it's, I've been under scrutiny.
• 37:52
  You've handled it beautifully.
• 37:53
  All this shit is new to me.
• 37:55
  I feel the lavender haze creeping up on me.
• 37:57
  And it's like girl, what's new to you?
• 37:59
  You've been a celebrity for 15 years.
• 38:01
  What do you mean?
• 38:02
  And then it's like no deal, the 1950s shit they want from me.
• 38:06
  - Oh, yeah. - Stuff like that.
• 38:08
  And there are other a lot of really crazy examples.
• 38:12
  Like she uses closet a lot as a reference in her song.
• 38:17
  She also reference hairpin drop,
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  which dropping hairpins is known within the gay community
• 38:25
  to drop clues about some lines outright,
• 38:28
  like sexual flags.
• 38:31
  And one of my favorite songs by Taylor Swift
• 38:33
  is right where he left me.
• 38:34
  And it's like, I swear you could hear the hairpin drop.
• 38:37
  Right when I felt the moment stop,
• 38:39
  glass shattered on the white cloth.
• 38:41
  And one of the people that she is kind of suspected
• 38:45
  to be with is Carly Claus.
• 38:48
  And you know, we're not gonna talk specifically about her,
• 38:51
  but like you kind of hear this queer reference
• 38:54
  and then Carly Claus got married to Jared Kushner
• 38:57
  right after-- - Right, Jared Kushner's brother.
• 38:59
  - Yeah, Jared Kushner. - Josh Kushner.
• 39:01
  - Yeah, he's literally-- - Yeah, Josh Kushner.
• 39:03
  - Josh Kushner, thank you. - A huge one.
• 39:04
  - And so right after that,
• 39:06
  and they had a Jewish wedding.
• 39:07
  And like right before that, they stopped being friends.
• 39:10
  They were friends for like 10 years.
• 39:11
  - Carly and Taylor. - Yeah.
• 39:12
  And so you also hear a lot of like hidden and secret love.
• 39:17
  And so within her songs like dress,
• 39:23
  our secret moments in your crowded room
• 39:25
  that got no idea about me and you,
• 39:26
  all this silence and patience,
• 39:28
  just pining in anticipation.
• 39:30
  - Yeah, right.
• 39:33
  - And then she also talks a lot about being in love
• 39:36
  with your best friend.
• 39:38
  - Yeah. - Like dresses,
• 39:40
  I don't want you like a best friend,
• 39:41
  only bought this dress so you could take it off.
• 39:44
  - Stop making eye contact. - I know, I did.
• 39:46
  - I didn't think they did.
• 39:49
  Or like even within right where you left me
• 39:51
  in like the song with the hairpin drop,
• 39:53
  the opening line is friends break up,
• 39:55
  friends get married.
• 39:57
  - Oh shit. - Yeah.
• 39:58
  - And then like in glitch,
• 39:59
  it's like we were supposed to be just friends.
• 40:01
  And so, and then she also uses like cages a lot.
• 40:05
  And there's just so many references to being queer.
• 40:09
  And in my mind, it's like, okay,
• 40:11
  is Taylor Swift bisexual?
• 40:13
  Or is it like, she's like queer bathing in a weird way?
• 40:18
  - Yeah. - You know.
• 40:20
  - What's this song that you talk to me a lot about
• 40:22
  where she's talking about like when they kissed
• 40:24
  and all their friends were cheering.
• 40:25
  - Oh yeah.
• 40:26
  - So that's dancing with her hand style.
• 40:28
  - Yeah. - So one of the,
• 40:29
  one of the biggest pieces of evidence of Gailer
• 40:34
  is there is a picture of what looks to be,
• 40:39
  it's like in 2015.
• 40:41
  So it's very bad camera phone.
• 40:43
  And they're at a 1975 concert
• 40:45
  and it's Taylor Swift and Carly Claus.
• 40:47
  And the picture looks like they're smooching
• 40:50
  in the middle of it.
• 40:51
  - It's just two guys being, yeah.
• 40:53
  And so the song dancing with their hand style is,
• 40:55
  I'd kiss you as the lights went out,
• 40:57
  swing is the room burned down.
• 40:58
  I hold you as the water rushed in.
• 41:01
  I could dance with you again.
• 41:03
  And then, where is the other one in here?
• 41:05
  There's so many different references
• 41:09
  to hiding their love.
• 41:12
  Another one is question.
• 41:13
  And it's, do you ever have someone kiss you in a crowded room?
• 41:16
  And every single one of your friends
• 41:17
  was making fun of you,
• 41:18
  but 15 seconds later they were like clapping too.
• 41:21
  And so a lot of people see these queer references in it
• 41:26
  and make a lot of points.
• 41:29
  And I would say if you want to kind of dive into the ships
• 41:34
  with a very grounded in reality human being
• 41:38
  of the Gailer fandom,
• 41:40
  I think there are a lot of people who take it away too far
• 41:43
  and think every single relationship
• 41:45
  she's ever been on is fake.
• 41:48
  I would recommend listening to Cam from what I will say.
• 41:52
  She goes through it like really non-biasedly.
• 41:54
  It does a lot of lyrical analysis,
• 41:56
  but I just think it's so interesting.
• 41:58
  Yeah.
• 41:59
  And the fandom itself, it's Gailer and Hettler.
• 42:02
  And that's very like reductive.
• 42:04
  I was gonna say, it's, I mean sexuality is a spectrum.
• 42:08
  And I don't think it has to be, she's gay or she's straight.
• 42:12
  I mean, people are complicated and bisexual.
• 42:17
  And like, you know, on a spectrum.
• 42:19
  And so even if she entirely did have a relationship,
• 42:22
  like and also, I mean Taylor is to some extent kind of like a gay,
• 42:27
  I maybe not a gay icon, maybe not to the extent
• 42:31
  that like Gaga and Cher are especially.
• 42:34
  It's not like a club gay, but she's like, yeah.
• 42:37
  Especially because like Gaga and Cher and Madonna
• 42:40
  have always been very vocally there
• 42:42
  for the LGBTQ community.
• 42:44
  I think she has to.
• 42:45
  Yeah.
• 42:46
  She's definitely over the past couple of years kind of spoken out more against,
• 42:50
  you know, like right-wing politics or like anti-gay politics
• 42:55
  and kind of been more.
• 42:56
  Yeah, I'm trying to say no.
• 42:57
  Yeah, no, she's Gaga more so than that.
• 42:58
  Yeah, like Gaga.
• 42:59
  The biggest criticism of the show.
• 43:00
  Yeah.
• 43:01
  And you know, that's fine.
• 43:02
  You know, she's getting there.
• 43:04
  So I wouldn't say she's a gay icon to the point that like some of these
• 43:07
  other ladies have been.
• 43:09
  More the gays love her.
• 43:10
  The gays love Taylor.
• 43:12
  And so I hope she's not doing these things just to kind of like,
• 43:18
  oh, maybe they'll think I'm gay, but like, yeah.
• 43:21
  Also, maybe not.
• 43:22
  Yeah.
• 43:23
  No, I mean, she's too educated to make those like a lavender marriage,
• 43:28
  a hairpin drop, like all these references, like she's too educated
• 43:32
  and like too much of a writer to do that in my opinion,
• 43:35
  where it's just like, they're like, oh, they're this sad.
• 43:38
  But even like, you know, when she first started becoming like more outspoken
• 43:41
  about being an advocate for gay rights and things like that,
• 43:44
  is that you need to calm down music video.
• 43:46
  Yeah, exactly.
• 43:47
  And like her wig that she's wearing is the bisexual flag in her wig.
• 43:54
  Is it?
• 43:55
  And so it's very, very interesting.
• 43:57
  A lot of her like, tour visuals are kind of like these representation of that.
• 44:02
  And so I think it's just very, very interesting.
• 44:04
  But like, you will hear, you'll listen to a discography and you'll like hear one lyric
• 44:09
  and you're, it just like starts to see this like through a line.
• 44:11
  And so yeah, I probably, if you were to ask me how often do you think about Taylor Swift
• 44:15
  and I probably say like 10 times a day, but I love that really.
• 44:19
  And at the end of the day, it's her business, her sexuality.
• 44:22
  Anyone's sexuality is their business.
• 44:24
  If you're public figuring, you feel comfortable saying, like, yes, I'm bisexual.
• 44:28
  Yes, this is me props to you.
• 44:30
  I love that.
• 44:31
  But also it's in anyone's time if they want to ever be public with their sexuality.
• 44:36
  Yeah.
• 44:37
  And it's like the lyricism, like the hairpin draw.
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  The hairpin draw.
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  She's kind of leaving these little like clues to her fans and like, I love the Taylor Swift
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  breakdowns.
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  You give me like, I think they're so talking, interesting and complex.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I get totally believe like, yes, she dated Joe and they were to go, or do I think like
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  you've also been with a woman at one point in her life?
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  Probably.
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  Yeah.
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  You talk about women very, very highly.
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  Listen, she dated Harry Styles and I'm pretty sure that guy's been with a dude.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  We're just, you know, gendered fluid.
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  We're fluid in the sexuality.
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  I love it.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  These are some good Roman empires, you guys.
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  Yeah.
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  They're all very different.
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  Much better than irrigation.
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  It's better than irrigation.
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  But dare we say better than the actual Roman Empire?
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  Maybe.
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  I would say Taylor Swift is.
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  Less patriarchal than the actual Roman Empire.
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  Well, well, maybe.
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  I know now I just got really interested like, is NASCARL?
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  Less patriarchal than the Roman Empire.
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  It depends.
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  Yeah.
• 45:43
  I have been to Pompeii.
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  It was pretty good dang who.
• 45:45
  So you went to Pompeii yet?
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  I would love to go to Pompeii.
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  It was really, really cool.
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  It is kind of like more than when you do see the like dead people like frozen in
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  our house.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, this is like, wow, dude, I've never put to rest.
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  That would probably be my Roman Empire.
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  I feel like if I went to Pompeii.
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  I went to my life.
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  I'd be like, did you guys do I went to Pompeii?
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  I went to a warehouse.
• 46:09
  A whorehouse or a whorehouse?
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  A whorehouse within Pompeii.
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  Yeah.
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  Like like a sex worker.
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  Yeah.
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  Like establishment.
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  Bad stone beds.
• 46:19
  Oh, like an old school one.
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  Yeah.
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  What?
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  I don't know.
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  I first was like, why are you calling it that?
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  I went and saw the whores.
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  Saw the whores in Pompeii.
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  Like Olivia, we don't call them.
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  Olivia calls sex for her.
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  It's called a sex worker.
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  I saw an old school whore.
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  I saw a whorehouse.
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  What is wrong with you?
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  You're like me with the arms.
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  Last week did they have arms?
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  Were their arms traded with each other?
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  I mean, I don't know.
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  Did the whores have arms?
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  I don't know if they did once the magma came.
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  But it would have to magma.
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  God, this is getting out the rails.
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  And the cold closes up before we keep fucking talking.
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  Honestly.
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  All right.
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  On that note, it is time to wrap up another obsessive episode of the Pop Culture Junkie
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  podcast.
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  I'm sure you'll be thinking about us every day from now on.
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  Olivia and Shauna, where can your devoted fans find you?
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  You can find me, Shauna, on TikTok, Instagram, and threads @shaunatrinidad, S-H-U-A-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D.
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  And you can find me, Olivia, on Instagram @livimariez and on TikTok,
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