Latest / The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories / Serial Killer Documentary - What Made Fred West a Notorious Serial Killer?
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- 0:08Speaker 1: Cromwell Street, Gloucester, England. An ordinary house in an ordinary street.
- 0:14Speaker 1: Number twenty five was the home of a local builder
- 0:16Speaker 1: and his wife, bustling with children and topped up to
- 0:20Speaker 1: the brim with lodgers. The only thing that distinguished Number
- 0:24Speaker 1: twenty five from the others was the amount of people
- 0:26Speaker 1: that came and went. Fred West liked company. He also
- 0:31Speaker 1: liked to maim, molest and murder. But was this seemingly
- 0:35Speaker 1: ordinary man driven to the slaughter of at least twelve
- 0:38Speaker 1: women and children? Or was Fred West born to kill?
- 1:15Speaker 1: Fred West was described by Richard Ferguson, Prosecuting qc. Of
- 1:19Speaker 1: the trial of Rosemary West as a man devoid of compassion,
- 1:24Speaker 1: consumed with sexual lust, a sadistic killer, and someone who
- 1:28Speaker 1: had opted out of the human race, the very epitome
- 1:32Speaker 1: of evil. But who was Fred West?
- 1:45Speaker 2: If you passed Fred West in the street, you wouldn't
- 1:47Speaker 2: give him a second glance. He had a wife and
- 1:50Speaker 2: had six children.
- 1:53Speaker 3: Fred West was a chameleon. His neighbors would have told
- 1:56Speaker 3: you that he was a very hard working, likable, friendly chap.
- 1:59Speaker 4: On the face of it, was a completely ordinary builder, pandeyman,
- 2:04Speaker 4: a very jovial fellow who got on well with everybody.
- 2:11Speaker 5: He did fit in with the normal flow of life,
- 2:14Speaker 5: even though he was profoundly abnormal.
- 2:19Speaker 6: Many people would be taken in by him because he
- 2:22Speaker 6: was plausible and charming. So the last thing in your
- 2:28Speaker 6: mind is that he might actually harm a terrible evil.
- 2:35Speaker 2: The great mystery of the whole thing is what drove
- 2:38Speaker 2: them to do this.
- 2:43Speaker 4: You're talking about two people who literally plumbed the depths
- 2:47Speaker 4: of human depravity.
- 2:49Speaker 5: Some people have the ambition to, you know, to become
- 2:51Speaker 5: a great politician, to succeed in the world of art.
- 2:56Speaker 5: He had the ambition to succeed in sadistic sexual homicide.
- 3:07Speaker 7: You could put on this act as an amiable row,
- 3:10Speaker 7: but it was only to put up some kind of disguise,
- 3:14Speaker 7: and underneath that look this monster.
- 3:19Speaker 6: Someone may have evil written all over his face, and
- 3:23Speaker 6: yet people miss it. Fred West's evil would be missed
- 3:31Speaker 6: by very many people.
- 4:12Speaker 1: Frederick Stephen West was born on the twenty ninth of
- 4:15Speaker 1: September nineteen forty one in the rural Hereford village of
- 4:19Speaker 1: Much Markel, a tiny agricultural community cut off from metropolitan life.
- 4:32Speaker 1: This rural idyl would be where the young West grew up.
- 4:41Speaker 1: The second of six siblings, Fred was a striking child
- 4:45Speaker 1: with a shock of curly blonde hair and piercing blue eyes.
- 4:50Speaker 1: But how did this blue eyed boy turn into one
- 4:53Speaker 1: of history's most vicious and heenous serial killers?
- 5:03Speaker 5: For Frederick West, this kind of landscape, obviously you can
- 5:06Speaker 5: see a sense of freedom, and he will have had
- 5:08Speaker 5: a lot of freedom, more freedom than most people would
- 5:10Speaker 5: have had. But then again, this kind of landscape is
- 5:13Speaker 5: also very brutal, and what goes with it is the
- 5:16Speaker 5: kind of activities he had, such as clubbing to death rabbits,
- 5:20Speaker 5: to watch his mother shotgunning rats, this kind of like
- 5:25Speaker 5: physical and very kind of harsh environment.
- 5:31Speaker 1: It's widely believed that Fred's father, Walter, was a child abuser,
- 5:36Speaker 1: and he seemed unashamed and unrepentant about his behavior. Fred
- 5:40Speaker 1: was very much the apple of his mother's eye, and
- 5:43Speaker 1: her love could be described as more than overprotective.
- 5:47Speaker 3: Apparently for years they'd been having sort of sexual games together,
- 5:50Speaker 3: and a minute he was capable of doing anything more
- 5:53Speaker 3: than that. She initiated him. He was also abused by
- 5:56Speaker 3: his father. It was a family in which interest was
- 6:00Speaker 3: taken fairly much as normal. He was highly sexualized from
- 6:06Speaker 3: a very young age, and sex became very much part
- 6:09Speaker 3: of his motivation. He would talk constantly about sex.
- 6:14Speaker 1: Fred's school career was short and unproductive. He left school
- 6:18Speaker 1: at fourteen, barely able to read and write. His IQ
- 6:22Speaker 1: was later measured at just eighty.
- 6:24Speaker 5: The problem there obviously lies that lots and lots of
- 6:27Speaker 5: doors are then closed, and the doors that were open
- 6:29Speaker 5: to Fred and his industrious, possibly attention deficit hyperactive traits
- 6:36Speaker 5: would be channeled into things like chasing girls, petty theft,
- 6:40Speaker 5: problematic behavior via little pettiacts of violence, and possibly other
- 6:44Speaker 5: activities that we don't as yet know about.
- 6:49Speaker 8: This would have turned him into a survivor, a lad
- 6:51Speaker 8: that would live off the land, crude, get by as
- 6:54Speaker 8: I can get what I can. That he would be
- 6:57Speaker 8: like a fox, and he didn't need good literature skills
- 7:01Speaker 8: to survive. He could survive on his wits.
- 7:03Speaker 1: Like many young boys, West became fascinated by motorbikes. He
- 7:08Speaker 1: saved hard to buy his first machine, but his pride
- 7:11Speaker 1: and joy was soon to become a nightmare. On the
- 7:14Speaker 1: evening of November twenty eighth, nineteen fifty eight, whilst West
- 7:18Speaker 1: was riding along this road, he collided with a girl
- 7:21Speaker 1: riding in the opposite direction. The precise details of the
- 7:26Speaker 1: accident remain a mystery, but West suffered multiple injuries, including
- 7:30Speaker 1: a serious head wound. He lay unconscious in hospital for
- 7:35Speaker 1: seven days.
- 7:36Speaker 5: Like many unfortunate children, Frederick West did inherit certain brain
- 7:41Speaker 5: abnormalities from his parents, who had problems themselves. This reached
- 7:46Speaker 5: a very much of a crescendo on this very road,
- 7:51Speaker 5: which not only caused great damage to his body and
- 7:54Speaker 5: the shortening of a leg, but delivered a massive amount
- 7:57Speaker 5: of damage to his head and there four to his brain.
- 8:01Speaker 5: And the part of the brain that gets the head
- 8:03Speaker 5: on particular damage is the frontal cortex. Here the frontal lobe,
- 8:10Speaker 5: which contains the elements of what makes us a moral person.
- 8:14Speaker 5: That will give you a sense of revulsion if that
- 8:16Speaker 5: is a particularly horrific act. Now for Fred, these were damaged,
- 8:21Speaker 5: so someone who was already a little bit psychopathic suddenly
- 8:25Speaker 5: had the brakes taken off completely and made him into
- 8:28Speaker 5: a real danger to society.
- 8:31Speaker 1: Fred's recovery was slow and humiliating. His nose was broken,
- 8:35Speaker 1: he walked with a pronounced limp, and now suffered from
- 8:38Speaker 1: violent mood swings.
- 8:40Speaker 5: He did lose a lot of his good looks. There
- 8:42Speaker 5: was damage to his nose and other configurations, and from
- 8:46Speaker 5: being quite a charmer and a crudely good looking lad
- 8:51Speaker 5: in the village, he lost a lot of that edge.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Fred compensated for the loss of his looks by taking
- 8:58Speaker 1: a much more aggressive approach with the local girls.
- 9:02Speaker 4: If Fred wanted sex, he effectively would rape young girls
- 9:06Speaker 4: in that community.
- 9:07Speaker 5: It would have been very much a kind of grab
- 9:09Speaker 5: and grope situation, and he tended then, obviously to use
- 9:14Speaker 5: girls for the only kind of comfort that really ever
- 9:17Speaker 5: existed for Fred in his entire life, and that was
- 9:20Speaker 5: sex and control.
- 9:25Speaker 1: One girl Fred couldn't control was Catherine Costello, better known
- 9:29Speaker 1: as Rena. She was a sixteen year old prostitute who'd
- 9:32Speaker 1: moved to Gloucester from her native Glasgow. Fred married Rena
- 9:36Speaker 1: despite her being five months pregnant with another man's child.
- 9:41Speaker 5: I think Fred saw in Rena certain elements.
- 9:43Speaker 9: Of his mother.
- 9:44Speaker 5: It was a strong person who would control him, and
- 9:47Speaker 5: he was putting his place, if you like, for the
- 9:49Speaker 5: first time probably in his life, by a female. But
- 9:52Speaker 5: I don't think he was ever comfortable with her. He
- 9:56Speaker 5: was never really someone that he could see as a soulmate.
- 10:00Speaker 5: She was really a mother substitute.
- 10:04Speaker 1: Charmaine West was born in the March of nineteen sixty
- 10:07Speaker 1: three and was soon followed by a little sister, Anne Marie.
- 10:11Speaker 1: Childhood for the two little girls was far from traditional.
- 10:17Speaker 3: Rena and he had a very on and off life together.
- 10:21Speaker 3: Sometimes lived were together, sometimes they weren't. Sometimes he had
- 10:25Speaker 3: both the children. Sometimes these children were in foster care.
- 10:28Speaker 3: Occasionally Rena took the children. Mostly if they weren't in care,
- 10:32Speaker 3: they were with Fred. Fred found a succession of young
- 10:35Speaker 3: women to look after them.
- 10:36Speaker 4: It was a very.
- 10:39Speaker 3: Up and down, strange life.
- 10:42Speaker 1: This turbulent relationship finally reached breaking point in nineteen sixty five.
- 10:48Speaker 1: Rena feared for her own safety and fled back to Scotland.
- 10:53Speaker 1: Fred had been happy to let her go, but not
- 10:55Speaker 1: the children, and he'd already recruited sixteen year old Anna
- 10:59Speaker 1: McFall to act as their nanny.
- 11:01Speaker 4: Am McFall and Fred always maintained, in his words, the
- 11:05Speaker 4: love of his life. In fact, when he was in
- 11:07Speaker 4: prison awaiting trial before he committed suicide, he wrote a
- 11:10Speaker 4: great piece of catalog of his relationship with amm Full
- 11:16Speaker 4: which he entitled I Loved an.
- 11:18Speaker 1: Angel, but the angel was soon to fall. When she
- 11:23Speaker 1: became pregnant with West's child.
- 11:26Speaker 4: She became effectively a problem to the bread, an obstruction
- 11:31Speaker 4: who had to be removed. It sounds extraordinarily callous, but
- 11:37Speaker 4: Fred was the kind of man who if a woman
- 11:40Speaker 4: presented a problem, she effectively would be removed from his life.
- 11:46Speaker 1: Anna McFall was last seen in the July of nineteen
- 11:49Speaker 1: sixty seven.
- 11:51Speaker 6: Fred West would have thought that people were disposable, because,
- 11:55Speaker 6: as far as he was concerned, other people were instruments
- 11:59Speaker 6: to be used, so there would be no ethical boundaries.
- 12:03Speaker 8: He decided that he'd had enough of her and that
- 12:07Speaker 8: she was surplustorist requirements, and as cold blood it may seem,
- 12:12Speaker 8: he destroyed her and buried her.
- 12:17Speaker 1: Twenty seven years later, the remains of Anna McFall were
- 12:20Speaker 1: discovered in this field on the outskirts of Fred's home village,
- 12:23Speaker 1: much Markle in Herefordshire. The body had been decapitated and dismembered,
- 12:29Speaker 1: and was found with the skeleton of her unborn child.
- 12:33Speaker 5: He would not have had the same sense of revulsion
- 12:35Speaker 5: that you and I would have had of stripping the
- 12:38Speaker 5: body and deciding how to dispose of it. He would
- 12:42Speaker 5: be very industrious about this, and this would have set
- 12:45Speaker 5: him apart from many many attempted killers and attempted serial killers,
- 12:49Speaker 5: in that he was very energetic, very industrious about the
- 12:52Speaker 5: way he went about things.
- 12:55Speaker 1: Anna McFall had been the last of the victims to
- 12:57Speaker 1: be recovered, but she'd been the first to die. She'd
- 13:01Speaker 1: signaled a turning point in the murderous career of Frederick West.
- 13:18Speaker 1: Fred West was just twelve years old when in November
- 13:21Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three a young girl was born who was
- 13:24Speaker 1: destined to be his partner in life and in death.
- 13:28Speaker 1: The young Rosemary West's childhood was tragically similar to that
- 13:32Speaker 1: of Fred. Her mother, Daisy, suffered from both severe depression
- 13:36Speaker 1: and the attentions of a violent schizophrenic husband.
- 13:39Speaker 6: Her father was very.
- 13:40Speaker 7: Very abusive to his daughters, and the other daughters wouldn't
- 13:46Speaker 7: tolerated and moved out. In fact, I think the mother
- 13:48Speaker 7: moved out at one stage, but from an early age
- 13:51Speaker 7: he would have been having sex with her and she
- 13:54Speaker 7: would be accepting it. The relationship with her father continued
- 13:59Speaker 7: after Fred and Rose got together, and in fact Rose's
- 14:05Speaker 7: father would turn up at Cromwell Street even after Rose
- 14:08Speaker 7: had four children, to have sex with her, and then
- 14:10Speaker 7: Fred would send her into the bedroom with Anne Marie.
- 14:17Speaker 6: When Fred met Rose, he recognized what one might call
- 14:21Speaker 6: a solemad and that's why he was attracted to her.
- 14:26Speaker 6: They are kind of interlocking psychothology and background, so that
- 14:32Speaker 6: they played off each other and they have fantasies and coincided.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Probably Fred and Rose met in the quiet village of
- 14:46Speaker 1: Bishop's Cleve, Gloucestershire, England. Despite the age gap, they soon
- 14:51Speaker 1: started a relationship and it was not long before seventeen
- 14:55Speaker 1: year old Rose was living with Fred and his two children,
- 14:58Speaker 1: Charmaine and Anne Marie, in their new home at twenty
- 15:01Speaker 1: five Midland Road, Gloucester.
- 15:04Speaker 8: That the two girls sexually, probably almost from the off,
- 15:09Speaker 8: really probably saved Rose her life to start off with,
- 15:13Speaker 8: and I think she could have easily become another victim.
- 15:20Speaker 8: She's using him for what she wants, a little perks.
- 15:22Speaker 8: He's driving around in his carn and she's feeling much older.
- 15:26Speaker 8: She can tell her girlfriends at school where it is,
- 15:28Speaker 8: and my boyfriend's older. All the time, learning from Fred,
- 15:31Speaker 8: who was a willing teacher and enjoying every minute of it.
- 15:34Speaker 8: This was the cocktail that was going to start to
- 15:36Speaker 8: put the bomb together that would soon explode.
- 15:40Speaker 1: Rose was soon pregnant and gave birth to Heather Anne
- 15:43Speaker 1: in October nineteen seventy. Motherhood didn't come naturally.
- 15:49Speaker 5: This was very very new to Rows. She's very young. However,
- 15:53Speaker 5: she did like children, but possibly not in the way
- 15:57Speaker 5: that most adults would like children. For Rose, she'd always
- 16:01Speaker 5: had a kind of learning disability and a slight intellectual challenge,
- 16:05Speaker 5: and she found it much easier to sort of deal
- 16:08Speaker 5: with small children, and she didn't like the kind of
- 16:10Speaker 5: conflict of being challenged. So therefore she would treat children
- 16:14Speaker 5: more as kind of dolls toys. They were kind of
- 16:17Speaker 5: still objectified.
- 16:21Speaker 7: I remember asking her whether she have a breastfeed and
- 16:26Speaker 7: she said, oh, no, tips were for fucking not for
- 16:29Speaker 7: you know, breastfeeding children. So you know, there was this
- 16:33Speaker 7: thing that made me wonder about, you know, a mother's milk.
- 16:37Speaker 7: It was something alien to Rose.
- 16:40Speaker 4: Rose was very very strict, disciplinearian for all the West children.
- 16:44Speaker 4: Their upbringing was very very regimented. They were taken off
- 16:48Speaker 4: to school, they were never ever encouraged to make friends
- 16:52Speaker 4: in the community. Rose ruled the West children with an
- 16:58Speaker 4: iron rod.
- 17:02Speaker 1: Tragically, the child that suffered the most was eight year
- 17:05Speaker 1: old Charmain. Sometime in the June of nineteen seventy one,
- 17:09Speaker 1: while Fred West was coming to the end of a
- 17:11Speaker 1: nine month prison sentence for theft, Charmain disappeared.
- 17:18Speaker 6: Once Rose had killed Roman, then she is of course
- 17:22Speaker 6: equally guilty, so she could not claim just to be
- 17:26Speaker 6: an unwilling accomplice. Once she's done that she has to continue.
- 17:34Speaker 5: This was, as it were, a shared experience. It is
- 17:38Speaker 5: incredibly bonding, but in this case bonding in immorality because
- 17:43Speaker 5: having disposed of a problematic, challenging child which might have
- 17:48Speaker 5: disrupted the relationship between Fred and Rose, then as it were,
- 17:52Speaker 5: nothing could be ruled out in terms of eliminating other
- 17:56Speaker 5: factors that could threaten their relationship.
- 18:00Speaker 1: Of these factors was Charmain's real mother, Rena.
- 18:03Speaker 3: She came looking for her child, and that I'm afraid
- 18:05Speaker 3: sealed her fate because she could not find Charmaine was
- 18:08Speaker 3: not there. Charmain was dead. The only solution was to
- 18:11Speaker 3: murder Rena.
- 18:13Speaker 1: Rena was last seen alive in the autumn of nineteen
- 18:15Speaker 1: seventy one. Her dismembered remains were found in letterbox field
- 18:20Speaker 1: in Much Markell Anna McFall already lay next door, degraded
- 18:25Speaker 1: and discarded by West. For Frederick West, this.
- 18:28Speaker 5: Will have been his little playground. This would be an
- 18:31Speaker 5: area he was very familiar with, an area that he
- 18:33Speaker 5: probably played in as a child. And it's an area
- 18:36Speaker 5: that he can find readily. It has practical reasons. It
- 18:39Speaker 5: has a tree, it has a signpost, and it can
- 18:42Speaker 5: be found easily. And he'd want that because he'd want
- 18:45Speaker 5: to be able to control these corpses, even though they
- 18:49Speaker 5: were not alive. He wants access. He wants to feel
- 18:52Speaker 5: that he can actually be part of this area, and
- 18:57Speaker 5: they are part of this area. This is his private yard.
- 19:03Speaker 1: With Rena out of the way, fred was free to
- 19:06Speaker 1: marry and he and Rose cemented their murderous relationship. In
- 19:11Speaker 1: the January of nineteen seventy two. They moved across the
- 19:18Speaker 1: park from Midland Road and into a street that was
- 19:22Speaker 1: set to become infamous.
- 19:27Speaker 2: Twenty five Cromwell Street became the most famous address in
- 19:30Speaker 2: the world, which is bedsit Land. It's inhabited by a
- 19:34Speaker 2: moving population of sort of people who are drifting around,
- 19:39Speaker 2: or they've left home for some reason, or they couldn't
- 19:43Speaker 2: easily be traced, and that was one of the reasons
- 19:47Speaker 2: why Fred remained undetected for so many years.
- 19:51Speaker 1: This anonymous neighborhood provided the perfect cover for the West's
- 19:55Speaker 1: lustful and murderous nature. It was the ideal lair into
- 19:59Speaker 1: which they trapped their prey. Fred and Rose now set
- 20:03Speaker 1: about spinning their web.
- 20:05Speaker 5: Fred on his own was a charmer, and he would
- 20:09Speaker 5: try and chatwagle upon street corners and bus stops or
- 20:12Speaker 5: what have you. But having rows around and having a
- 20:15Speaker 5: vehicle completely puts people at ease. And you can see
- 20:20Speaker 5: that they slowly but surely crafted this into a refined scavenging,
- 20:26Speaker 5: predatory stalking family, a sort of unit that could, as
- 20:31Speaker 5: it were, take people off the streets very, very efficiently.
- 20:42Speaker 1: In November nineteen seventy two, seventeen year old Caroline Owens
- 20:47Speaker 1: was hitchhiking from Tewkesbury to her home in Cinderford. She'd
- 20:50Speaker 1: been on a regular visit to see her boyfriend and
- 20:53Speaker 1: was waiting for her usual lift from a friendly telephone engineer.
- 20:57Speaker 1: It was then that a gray Ford car drew up
- 21:00Speaker 1: and a young couple offered her a lift.
- 21:02Speaker 9: She seemed pretty cheerful.
- 21:03Speaker 10: She said, where are you going to and I said Cinderford,
- 21:08Speaker 10: and she said, we're from Gloucester, but don't worry, we'll
- 21:11Speaker 10: take you all the way back. They started telling me
- 21:15Speaker 10: about their family and asked me if I'd like to
- 21:18Speaker 10: be a nanny because they said they are three little
- 21:19Speaker 10: girls at home. And I was really excited because I'd
- 21:23Speaker 10: always dreamt of being a children's nannia eleven children that,
- 21:26Speaker 10: you know, everything seemed quite romantic and glamorous to me.
- 21:30Speaker 10: I was going to escape my home and going over
- 21:33Speaker 10: with this lovely family, and it was like a big
- 21:35Speaker 10: fairy tale. But then a week and meeting them, I
- 21:40Speaker 10: moved in.
- 21:42Speaker 1: But Caroline's fairytale began to turn into a nightmare when
- 21:46Speaker 1: Fred let slip a shocking revelation.
- 21:49Speaker 10: One day, he turned around and he said that A
- 21:53Speaker 10: Marie had lost her virginity. And I mean she was
- 21:57Speaker 10: a little girl of eight, and I didn't think that
- 21:59Speaker 10: was a funny thing to say. And I just said
- 22:02Speaker 10: to him, quite accusingly, what do you mean, Why are
- 22:06Speaker 10: you saying she's lost virginity?
- 22:07Speaker 9: What's happened to her? And he said, well, she had.
- 22:11Speaker 10: An accident on her pushbike and the saddle came off
- 22:15Speaker 10: and it penetrated her, and she was damaged by that.
- 22:18Speaker 9: I became a bit aware then.
- 22:20Speaker 10: You know, I'd been sexually abused as a child myself,
- 22:23Speaker 10: so it was almost like I could now recognize that
- 22:27Speaker 10: her behavior was probably being beaten up by her stepmother
- 22:32Speaker 10: and being abused maybe by her father.
- 22:36Speaker 1: Events got out of hand when Fred propositioned Caroline.
- 22:40Speaker 10: He said, well, you know, we've got a sex circles,
- 22:43Speaker 10: me and Rose and a few other men.
- 22:46Speaker 9: We'd like you to join it.
- 22:48Speaker 10: And I started getting quite angry because by this time
- 22:51Speaker 10: I got a bit fed up of all the things
- 22:53Speaker 10: used to come out with. And I said, I don't
- 22:57Speaker 10: know what you're on about. Don't want nothing to do
- 22:58Speaker 10: with it.
- 22:59Speaker 1: I discuss did Caroline fled the house, vowing never to return.
- 23:03Speaker 1: A couple of months later, she was standing in her
- 23:05Speaker 1: usual hitchhiking spot when she noticed a familiar car.
- 23:12Speaker 9: My first day.
- 23:12Speaker 10: Instant was to run away, but I didn't, and when
- 23:16Speaker 10: they pulled up besides me, Rose was like apologizing, I'm
- 23:22Speaker 10: sorry that you left and the children are really missing you.
- 23:27Speaker 9: Can we give you a lift down?
- 23:28Speaker 10: And as much as I didn't want to, I felt
- 23:32Speaker 10: like I couldn't be nasty to them, so I got
- 23:34Speaker 10: in the car.
- 23:37Speaker 9: If it was fine. We went just through Gloucester.
- 23:42Speaker 10: Most of it was like the children had missed me
- 23:44Speaker 10: in that kind of conversation. As soon as we got
- 23:47Speaker 10: out of Gloucester, going more towards where I live, Fred
- 23:52Speaker 10: said to me, I had sex tonight, Caroline, and I
- 23:54Speaker 10: went no, And I was kind of like going, oh,
- 23:56Speaker 10: don't start that kind of conversation off again. And he said,
- 24:01Speaker 10: I'll go and have a field Rosy if she's wet,
- 24:04Speaker 10: and with that she just like grubbed around down my crunch.
- 24:08Speaker 9: We started fighting.
- 24:11Speaker 10: About two miles outside of Gloucester, past the round about.
- 24:15Speaker 10: Fred brought his car up on the side and Aunt
- 24:18Speaker 10: rose by turning around in his seat and punching me
- 24:21Speaker 10: inside of the end until I was unconscious. When I
- 24:24Speaker 10: came round Fred at the door open, he was on
- 24:27Speaker 10: his knees. He'd already tied my hands beyond my back
- 24:30Speaker 10: with my scarf, and he was wrapping like parcel tape
- 24:34Speaker 10: all the way round and round and round my face
- 24:36Speaker 10: as a gag. And they turned the car around and
- 24:40Speaker 10: they went back around the roundabout, took me to from
- 24:43Speaker 10: one street.
- 24:45Speaker 1: They eventually arrived at the house. Caroline, still bound and gagged,
- 24:50Speaker 1: was taken into a bedroom For the.
- 24:52Speaker 9: Next twelve hours.
- 24:55Speaker 10: I was beaten. Both of them were like medical examining.
- 25:01Speaker 10: It was almost you know, they were talking about my
- 25:04Speaker 10: genitulia and all that, as if they were doctors. You know, Oh,
- 25:08Speaker 10: this is a bit stranger, that's so, and so. I
- 25:10Speaker 10: thought they were going to get a knife and just
- 25:12Speaker 10: start cutting at me. So I was absolutely terrified. But
- 25:15Speaker 10: he got his bart off his jeans and he'd folded
- 25:20Speaker 10: it over and was whipping between the leg with his bart.
- 25:25Speaker 10: And then she started doing something else sexual towards me
- 25:29Speaker 10: while he watched, And then she invited him to join in,
- 25:33Speaker 10: and she was doing something to me and he was
- 25:36Speaker 10: having sex with her from behind at the same time.
- 25:39Speaker 10: To be quite honest, at that time, I would have
- 25:41Speaker 10: been up y'r off dead.
- 25:43Speaker 1: After a night of harrowing abuse, a terrified Caroline was
- 25:46Speaker 1: eventually left alone with Fred.
- 25:48Speaker 10: I thought he was just going to take me down
- 25:49Speaker 10: to the cellar, but he obviously had second thoughts. He
- 25:53Speaker 10: just raped me and then he started crying. He said
- 25:57Speaker 10: to me, you know a few promise that you won't
- 26:00Speaker 10: I've touched you, he said, and you'll come back here
- 26:03Speaker 10: to live. He said, I'll let you go, of course,
- 26:08Speaker 10: you know, considering I thought it was on my way
- 26:10Speaker 10: down to the cellar, I was just so relieved and
- 26:13Speaker 10: I said, yeah, okay.
- 26:14Speaker 9: I'll do that.
- 26:17Speaker 1: Caroline had a remarkable escape and went straight to the police.
- 26:21Speaker 1: But for Fred and Rose this signaled a significant change
- 26:24Speaker 1: in the balance of their relationship.
- 26:26Speaker 5: I think the escape of Caroline owen owed a lot
- 26:30Speaker 5: to the fact that Fred and Rose were still experimenting
- 26:33Speaker 5: with sexuality. Now, Fred had already picked up, or at
- 26:37Speaker 5: least imposed on the relationship something that he carried forward
- 26:39Speaker 5: from his mother, the idea that it was okay to
- 26:42Speaker 5: engage in things if mother approved, but outside of what
- 26:46Speaker 5: mother approved, it was grab and try and get away
- 26:49Speaker 5: with as best you could and make sure she didn't
- 26:50Speaker 5: find out. The same applied to Rose exactly. Rose dictated
- 26:54Speaker 5: what went on as far as Fred's sexual adventures were concerned,
- 26:58Speaker 5: and hence most of hisctual activities sexual activities with other
- 27:02Speaker 5: people were hidden from Rose.
- 27:04Speaker 1: The West's pleaded guilty to the kidnap and sexual assault
- 27:07Speaker 1: of Caroline, with their victim too scared to give evidence.
- 27:11Speaker 1: Fred and Rose were never charged with rape find twenty
- 27:14Speaker 1: five pounds each. They were allowed to go free.
- 27:17Speaker 5: I think the twenty five pound finds sent a very
- 27:20Speaker 5: clear message that even if you do slip up, when
- 27:23Speaker 5: you make a mistake, that you're really not going to
- 27:26Speaker 5: carry the can fully for what you've done. So it
- 27:29Speaker 5: sent the signal that providing you make sure that you
- 27:33Speaker 5: tidy up, you probably will never get caught. And that
- 27:36Speaker 5: just basically sealed the fate of future victims.
- 27:43Speaker 8: And then they're hooked on. This becomes like a drug,
- 27:46Speaker 8: you know, and then the more you have, the more
- 27:47Speaker 8: you need. They have to make a cold bloody decision
- 27:51Speaker 8: if we do this again. We can't allow somebody to
- 27:54Speaker 8: go away because they go to the police and they'll
- 27:55Speaker 8: come back again. We have to dispose of the bodies.
- 28:01Speaker 8: And Fred already knew about disposing of bodies because he'd
- 28:05Speaker 8: done it before.
- 28:07Speaker 1: Some but not all, future victims would conveniently come from
- 28:11Speaker 1: society's margins.
- 28:13Speaker 6: Fred West would have realized that there are plenty of
- 28:16Speaker 6: people around who will not be missed. They use the
- 28:19Speaker 6: same technique actually as certain religious groups that go around
- 28:23Speaker 6: finding vulnerable people.
- 28:28Speaker 5: They were very good at beginning to spot the kind
- 28:32Speaker 5: of girl who would fall into a category that we
- 28:35Speaker 5: kind of use the phrase less than dead. In other words,
- 28:39Speaker 5: someone if they were killed disappeared, they would probably be
- 28:43Speaker 5: less missed, less noticed, and a lot less police force
- 28:47Speaker 5: than the average person, such as prostitutes, runaways, girls of
- 28:53Speaker 5: very sort of mixed repute who did not have very
- 28:56Speaker 5: strong family ties.
- 29:02Speaker 1: Once Fred and Rose had selected their prey, they would
- 29:05Speaker 1: take them back to Cromwell Street and down into the cellar.
- 29:09Speaker 5: The events in the cellar, in as it were, the
- 29:13Speaker 5: Chamber of Horrors, can be only really speculated on, but
- 29:17Speaker 5: by bits and pieces that were left over. Clearly a
- 29:20Speaker 5: certain amount of sexual torture and abuse had progressed. These
- 29:24Speaker 5: victims may have been stripped and hung and left for
- 29:27Speaker 5: long periods of time in extreme pain. You have to
- 29:31Speaker 5: remember that Fred at least had very little restraint when
- 29:36Speaker 5: it came to the revulsion of what his physical acts were,
- 29:40Speaker 5: so you know, to actually inflict almost intolerable, continuous and
- 29:45Speaker 5: protracted pain and injury on a person would not have
- 29:49Speaker 5: created the same revulsion that it does in Uri.
- 29:52Speaker 3: Fred fitted a beam across and there were hooks on it.
- 29:55Speaker 3: He talked about girls being hung there for days and
- 29:58Speaker 3: bodies mummifying, and we don't know exactly what happens. We
- 30:03Speaker 3: do know that in the course of the time that
- 30:06Speaker 3: they were there, they were killed, their bodies were dismembered,
- 30:12Speaker 3: and they were buried. And then when he had filled
- 30:16Speaker 3: the cellar with girls, he concreted over the floor and
- 30:19Speaker 3: then turned the cellar into the bedroom for his children.
- 30:25Speaker 1: Fred and Rose West had now perfected their mode of operation,
- 30:29Speaker 1: and over the next fourteen years would kidnap, rape, torture
- 30:33Speaker 1: and murder almost at will. But each murder would require
- 30:37Speaker 1: them to push the boundaries of sado sexual behavior further
- 30:41Speaker 1: and further.
- 30:42Speaker 5: She had to be abusive, she had to be in
- 30:45Speaker 5: control of the situation, and for Fred there had to
- 30:53Speaker 5: be as it were, bizarre episodes of sadism and bondage, etc.
- 30:58Speaker 8: They always wanted something more. They want to scream a
- 31:01Speaker 8: little bit more. They want to cut a bit deeper.
- 31:03Speaker 8: They want they know what causes more pain than something else,
- 31:09Speaker 8: And to be bound and gagged and poked and stabbed
- 31:13Speaker 8: and cut and beaten and sexually abused, probably just not
- 31:19Speaker 8: even seeing what was going on half the time, with
- 31:22Speaker 8: these two monsters cackling and laughing. There's the most terrifying
- 31:27Speaker 8: experiences beyond human comprehension.
- 31:33Speaker 1: Fred and Rose were now sinking to such depths of
- 31:36Speaker 1: depravity that it was entirely possible that one of them
- 31:39Speaker 1: could end up as the next victim.
- 31:42Speaker 5: I think there must have been an absolute element of
- 31:44Speaker 5: competition between them that grew up in terms of that
- 31:48Speaker 5: other person may kill me. Therefore I am at risk.
- 31:53Speaker 5: Therefore I must show myself to be as tough, as sadistic,
- 31:57Speaker 5: as hard, and as progressively homes as the other person. Otherwise,
- 32:02Speaker 5: you know, I may be the next victim, as it were,
- 32:05Speaker 5: rather than the next perpetrator.
- 32:16Speaker 1: By June of nineteen eighty seven, Fred and Rose's eldest daughter, Heather,
- 32:20Speaker 1: was sixteen. She'd suffered both physical and sexual abuse at
- 32:24Speaker 1: the hands of her parents all her life, and now
- 32:27Speaker 1: this teenage girl was becoming a problem.
- 32:31Speaker 3: She was murdered one day when the other children had
- 32:33Speaker 3: gone to school. There's no evidence or belief that she
- 32:37Speaker 3: was sexually abused. She was simply murdered, and her body
- 32:39Speaker 3: was got rid of in the classic Fred West way
- 32:42Speaker 3: and buried under what subsequently became a patio.
- 32:46Speaker 8: I don't think for one moment he would have even
- 32:48Speaker 8: shed a tear. I think that's how cold blooded this
- 32:52Speaker 8: man was. He was disposing again of something that he
- 32:55Speaker 8: had no further use for.
- 32:59Speaker 5: If Heather had been able to survive and continue, she
- 33:02Speaker 5: may have brought the whole facade down one way or another,
- 33:07Speaker 5: and that could not be allowed. So to some degree
- 33:11Speaker 5: they committed, as it were, a very risky murder, a
- 33:14Speaker 5: murder that was done to show that they were in
- 33:17Speaker 5: control to the rest of their children, and unfortunately that
- 33:20Speaker 5: probably led to their undoing.
- 33:23Speaker 1: Heather lay undiscovered under the patio in the garden of
- 33:26Speaker 1: Cromwell Street for eight years. Yet the Wests became careless
- 33:30Speaker 1: and her disappearance had become the subject of a sick joke.
- 33:34Speaker 4: Bred and Rose would tell the children, you know, to
- 33:36Speaker 4: behave themselves, otherwise they'd end up under the patio like Heather,
- 33:41Speaker 4: which was a macarbro joke, you know, obviously looking at
- 33:45Speaker 4: the reality of the situation.
- 33:47Speaker 1: The persistent rumors about Heather eventually reached the ears of
- 33:50Speaker 1: a local policewoman.
- 33:54Speaker 3: Detective Constable Hazel Savage had always been aware that there
- 33:58Speaker 3: were these rumors and persuaded her bosses that that patio
- 34:03Speaker 3: was going to have to be dug up.
- 34:05Speaker 1: On the morning of the twenty fourth of February nineteen
- 34:07Speaker 1: ninety four, a police search team knocked at the door
- 34:10Speaker 1: of twenty five Cromwell Street and set in motion an
- 34:14Speaker 1: investigation that would stun the world. The murderous career of
- 34:18Speaker 1: Fred West was about to come to an end. As
- 34:41Speaker 1: the police started digging in the back garden of twenty
- 34:43Speaker 1: five Cromwell Street, they could have no idea of what
- 34:46Speaker 1: they were about to find. Fred and Rose West's daughter
- 34:50Speaker 1: Heather had been missing since nineteen eighty seven, and she
- 34:53Speaker 1: was the focus of their search. When they unearthed a
- 34:56Speaker 1: female thigh bone, they were confident they'd found what they
- 35:00Speaker 1: were looking for, but it fell to pathologist Bernard Knight
- 35:04Speaker 1: to break the news to Detective Superintendent John Bennett that
- 35:08Speaker 1: there may be more than one body under the patio.
- 35:11Speaker 11: And I still remember John Bennett's face when I got
- 35:14Speaker 11: down this hall in the garden and looked up and said,
- 35:18Speaker 11: either you've got more than one or she had three
- 35:21Speaker 11: legs because of another two thigh borns. I think gob smacked.
- 35:25Speaker 11: It would fit John's face fairly well at that time,
- 35:28Speaker 11: because say they expected to find Heather, then I think
- 35:32Speaker 11: there were three bodies in the backyard, and then was
- 35:36Speaker 11: it six in the house.
- 35:38Speaker 1: Fred West was arrested. Despite the mounting evidence against him,
- 35:42Speaker 1: he seemed remarkably unperturbed.
- 35:44Speaker 8: He's fifty four year old man. Then he's had a
- 35:46Speaker 8: long run. He's got away with it all his life.
- 35:49Speaker 8: His mindset is one of, you know, I'm probably caught,
- 35:54Speaker 8: but who gives a damn now, believing it and not
- 35:58Speaker 8: believing it at the same time, not really fully appreciating
- 36:04Speaker 8: that the enormity of what happened, and it probably took
- 36:07Speaker 8: a few weeks before the penny dropped.
- 36:09Speaker 5: He probably you know, you know, went to pick up
- 36:11Speaker 5: his coat a few times, thinking he was probably on
- 36:13Speaker 5: his way home in a few days because you know, well,
- 36:15Speaker 5: you know, they've found them now, and it's not really
- 36:17Speaker 5: that important. So therefore he was actually entering quite a
- 36:20Speaker 5: severe sort of state of a delusion where he actually
- 36:26Speaker 5: didn't think, you know, that this was that important.
- 36:30Speaker 1: Despite West's ambivalence to his crimes, he knew the game
- 36:33Speaker 1: was up. He offered to show the police where to dig.
- 36:37Speaker 2: He went back to the house, and he did indicate
- 36:39Speaker 2: certain places where the police might dig in the garden,
- 36:42Speaker 2: but he never admitted that there were six other bodies
- 36:45Speaker 2: under the house, and there was speculation that Fred didn't
- 36:50Speaker 2: want to point that out because he's very proud of
- 36:52Speaker 2: his house and how he built it and incorporated various
- 36:55Speaker 2: interesting features into it. He didn't think the police would
- 37:00Speaker 2: go as far as knocking the house down in order
- 37:02Speaker 2: to find evidence.
- 37:05Speaker 1: But the police did knock the house down, and after
- 37:08Speaker 1: recovering a total of nine bodies from Cromwell Street, they
- 37:12Speaker 1: switched their interest to Midland Road, where the body of
- 37:15Speaker 1: eight year old Charmain was discovered. A lengthier search of
- 37:18Speaker 1: the two fields at much Markel was to drag on
- 37:21Speaker 1: for months, but they were to give up the remains
- 37:24Speaker 1: of Rina Costello and Anna McFall. The police now faced
- 37:30Speaker 1: the harrowing task of identifying all the victims. Professor Bernard
- 37:35Speaker 1: Knight made the startling discovery that the skeletons were incomplete.
- 37:39Speaker 11: There's a lot of hand and tool bones missing, but
- 37:42Speaker 11: you actually rarely find every bone if you dig up
- 37:46Speaker 11: the skeleton. One reason why there may be a sinister
- 37:49Speaker 11: aspect is that two babies, two fetuses present, and their
- 37:53Speaker 11: tiny little bones were there, most of them even tiny ribbons,
- 37:57Speaker 11: so were magtick and yet they were big, but bigger
- 38:00Speaker 11: bones missing from the adults. There's one shoulder blade missing.
- 38:04Speaker 11: That's a bit difficult imagine. If you can get a
- 38:07Speaker 11: tiny fetal bone surviving, where's this big shoulder lad gone.
- 38:13Speaker 11: Of course, the sensational aspect or explanation would be that
- 38:18Speaker 11: they were taken off as some form of fetish and
- 38:21Speaker 11: even cannibalism was mentioned. But I mean, I think that's
- 38:24Speaker 11: pure speculation. But certainly have a lot of bones missing.
- 38:28Speaker 5: He may have had some bizarre paranoid ideations. So in
- 38:31Speaker 5: the beginning, perhaps he was cutting up bodies to make
- 38:34Speaker 5: them smaller, taking away the fingers and toes in case
- 38:36Speaker 5: they were identified. It could have been, you know, a
- 38:40Speaker 5: paranoid state that was superstitious. He had to keep these
- 38:43Speaker 5: various little objects close to him so that he knew
- 38:46Speaker 5: that he was safe, that he had some control over
- 38:48Speaker 5: these dead victims. It may have become a very habitual thing.
- 38:53Speaker 6: It is known for psychopathic killers to keep trophies of
- 38:57Speaker 6: their victims. He may have kept one or two bones
- 39:02Speaker 6: as kind of mementoes in order to be able to
- 39:06Speaker 6: keep his work with him.
- 39:11Speaker 1: On June the thirtieth, nineteen ninety four, Fred and Rose
- 39:14Speaker 1: West appeared at Gloucester Magistrates Court jointly charged with nine murders.
- 39:20Speaker 1: It was four months since the police had started digging.
- 39:24Speaker 1: Their victims had now been identified as Linda Goff, Lucy Partington,
- 39:30Speaker 1: Carol Cooper, Juanita Mott, Shirley Hubbard, ter Raise Siegentala, Allison Chambers,
- 39:39Speaker 1: Shirley Anne Robinson and Heather West. Fred was also charged
- 39:44Speaker 1: with a further two murders, that of his first wife,
- 39:47Speaker 1: Catherine Costello, and his stepdaughter Charmain West Anna McFall. Fred's
- 39:53Speaker 1: first victim was yet to be identified. This was the
- 39:58Speaker 1: first time Fred and Rowe had seen each other since
- 40:01Speaker 1: their arrest. Fred was devastated when Rose rejected him in court.
- 40:07Speaker 5: He would have been distraught. The confidence would have gone,
- 40:10Speaker 5: his face would have sagged, He would have lost that confident,
- 40:14Speaker 5: jovial demeanor, and he had very little else left to
- 40:18Speaker 5: live for.
- 40:20Speaker 1: Six months later, on New Year's Day in nineteen ninety five,
- 40:24Speaker 1: whilst waiting to stand trial at Winston Green Prison in Birmingham,
- 40:29Speaker 1: Fred West hanged himself.
- 40:33Speaker 10: When they told me you killed herself, and they were saying, oh,
- 40:36Speaker 10: that's justice, isn't it, And I said no, it's not
- 40:38Speaker 10: really and I was absolutely gutted.
- 40:41Speaker 9: I wanted him to pay the proper price.
- 40:45Speaker 10: He just like took his own way out and had
- 40:48Speaker 10: his own way about what happened to him.
- 40:51Speaker 9: He was in control right to the end.
- 40:57Speaker 1: Rose was now left alone to face trial, well for
- 41:00Speaker 1: ten murders.
- 41:01Speaker 7: She was in probably in the devastate of shock. Actually,
- 41:05Speaker 7: I'd see this blanket denial came down, and that's pretty
- 41:10Speaker 7: well on the whole the way it remained.
- 41:13Speaker 5: Rose at that point is only really protecting one person, herself,
- 41:17Speaker 5: and that would be her only interest. So she would
- 41:20Speaker 5: then progressively try to look as though she was a
- 41:23Speaker 5: useful member of society potentially okay, that it wasn't really
- 41:27Speaker 5: hair even if the evidence was against her, and that
- 41:30Speaker 5: she wasn't that complicit in what went on.
- 41:33Speaker 1: But the corps thought otherwise, and she was convicted of
- 41:36Speaker 1: ten murders and sentenced to life imprisonment. The investigation was
- 41:41Speaker 1: now closed. But had the police found all the victims,
- 41:45Speaker 1: rumors persist of many more bodies.
- 41:48Speaker 5: We have to regard the kind of dark matter of
- 41:51Speaker 5: Fred's life, and he's kind of killing career if you
- 41:54Speaker 5: like that. There are a lot of black spots which
- 41:57Speaker 5: I'm sure, maybe filled with other poor unfortunates who have
- 42:01Speaker 5: disappeared and not been registered and not been connected with
- 42:04Speaker 5: the Wests.
- 42:05Speaker 7: There was a young child supposedly killed accidentally when Fred
- 42:09Speaker 7: was driving an ice cream lorry in Glasgow. There was
- 42:11Speaker 7: a young boy who supposedly committed suicide not far from Gloucester.
- 42:19Speaker 7: But really, if that had been more carefully investigated, I
- 42:23Speaker 7: think they'd have been interested to talk to Fred.
- 42:33Speaker 5: It is possible, as we know with personality disordered individuals,
- 42:37Speaker 5: that their characteristics, both Fred and Rose would have eased off,
- 42:40Speaker 5: and perhaps they're their interest in this would have would
- 42:43Speaker 5: have slowed a little as they approached middle age and
- 42:46Speaker 5: is it where they were going into sort of homicidal retirement.
- 42:50Speaker 5: But the chances are there would be other victims, but unfortunately,
- 42:55Speaker 5: due to the logistics, we will probably never know.
- 43:05Speaker 1: Twenty five Cromwell Street was demolished in an attempt to
- 43:09Speaker 1: erase the memory of West's atrocities for Caroline Owens, forgetting
- 43:19Speaker 1: her ordeal will not be so easy.
- 43:21Speaker 10: They've took it all down now and turned it into
- 43:24Speaker 10: this walkway. Some people wanted a garden of remembrance, but
- 43:31Speaker 10: others thought it wouldn't be respected as such. So they
- 43:35Speaker 10: decided to turn it into a walkway. And now I'm
- 43:38Speaker 10: actually walking where the ice was, and some of the
- 43:42Speaker 10: girls would have been buried under this area here and
- 43:47Speaker 10: some in the patio over in that area. It brings
- 43:51Speaker 10: back quite a few sad feelings, bad feelings from me.
- 43:54Speaker 9: I don't like being here.
- 43:58Speaker 10: I just see it as a grave for all the girls.
- 44:01Speaker 10: And I'm just glad it's all over and they're all
- 44:04Speaker 10: out of here. It's almost like canar in love in
- 44:08Speaker 10: his wife can hear and laughing, almost him laughing and
- 44:13Speaker 10: joking about the party and stuff. It feels like you're
- 44:19Speaker 10: still here. I don't think they took enough of this
- 44:21Speaker 10: place away.
- 44:26Speaker 1: Fred West committed some of the most evil and henous
- 44:29Speaker 1: crimes in history, a gruesome and disturbing legacy. But was
- 44:33Speaker 1: he really born to kill?
- 44:36Speaker 5: Given his basic biological background at birth, this chap was
- 44:41Speaker 5: not going to escape the genetics, the psychopathy which probably
- 44:44Speaker 5: affected his brother as well. He was not going to
- 44:48Speaker 5: escape the family environment, which was going to reaffirm these
- 44:52Speaker 5: characteristics that were already in the parents. You have to
- 44:55Speaker 5: look back and say basically that his crime aims, to
- 45:00Speaker 5: some degree were inevitable. The degree, and and and the
- 45:05Speaker 5: frequent nature of the crimes may have been adjusted by
- 45:08Speaker 5: aspects of his life, but indeed Fred was born with
- 45:12Speaker 5: the characteristics that would make it reasonably easy for him
- 45:15Speaker 5: to turn into a killer.