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28 Years Later: Fast Zombies, Slow Plot, Alpha Dongs? - Xenomania 26 · Xenomania

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Ryan: Gentlemen.
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All right,
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Kearns: we got it.
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Ryan: It's Friday night.
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You're going to Blockbuster.
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three movies to choose.
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What are the three movies you choose?
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Kearns: I'm going by boxes.
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I'm gonna go by box covers on this one, guys.
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So
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Ryan: Okay.
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Kearns: I'm in Blockbuster, right?
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I'm walking around.
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I'm trying to remember these box covers.
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Now, probably gonna pick up Trick or Treat.
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I remember that box cover, the VHS cover.
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Yes, sir.
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Ryan: good cover.
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Kearns: I'm looking for pumpkin head.
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Pumpkin Head was always a big one.
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Jon: Second
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Kearns: that Monster.
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Ryan: on there.
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Jon: Yep.
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Second
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: in.
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Kearns: there it is.
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Pumpkin Head is definitely a, it's gotta be army of darkness.
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Might be the third because of just that image of him.
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He's standing there with a shotgun and the girl on 'em.
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that's an easy rental.
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But I thought that they live was on here, but I might, I guess not
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Ryan: on there.
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Jon: Is
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Kearns: if it's, they live.
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All right.
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Ryan: one down.
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Six one down.
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Kearns: I gotta do, they live instead of, I'll do Pumpkin Head, army of Darkness.
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And they live, because they live has the coolest movie
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covered probably of all time.
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For like Blockbuster.
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Yeah, like that Blockbuster.
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When you walk by it, you saw it, you knew it.
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It was there.
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It was watching you walk around the store.
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So those are mine.
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Ryan: Okay,
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Jon: ahead, Ryan.
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Ryan: All right.
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Well, if I'm like a kid thinking about going into Blockbuster, I'm
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starting off with my favorite right off the bat at Scream Love the cover,
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talking about box cover and just, it was like hip in 96, especially when
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Blockbuster was like thriving and that was the movie everyone wanted to see.
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Especially like my peers in first grade.
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We all wore the like the Ghost Face costumes and stuff.
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Just fun.
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Um, let's see, number two, I gotta go with Friday.
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13th part six.
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Jason lives.
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I saw part four on there, but part six when he gets resurrected, like
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Frankenstein is like in my brain and it's just a great opening and
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it's what Scream became years later.
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Basically, it's a horror film, but it's like making fun of the
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horror genre, if that makes sense.
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And Part six does that very well.
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And it's like, no, it's a silly horror film.
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uh, the last one, see, I was in between on this 'cause I did see the list,
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but taking your army of darkness.
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I have a little, I need a little ash in me, man.
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Little Sam raimi
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Kearns: You say Ash will probably do that for you.
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Ryan: with that.
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Uh, with that boom, the boom, uh, the
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Kearns: Boom, stick.
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Jon: Nice.
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I like it.
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I
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Kearns: All right, John.
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Jon: All right.
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neither living dead is a must.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Jon: mean, you'll see I the Romero shirt tonight.
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re animator is my second.
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Is love me some re animator.
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Ryan: Jeffrey Combs.
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Jon: And
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I am gonna take a third that fits a, a little bit in a strange way into
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what we're talking about tonight.
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I'm gonna go sleep away camp
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Kearns: Oh, wow.
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Interesting.
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Ryan: There's a dong in that too.
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Spoiler.
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Kearns: All right.
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Oh man.
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All right.
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Well, welcome to Xenomania guys.
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We're gonna be rounding out our, what I once thought was a trilogy,
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but it's not going to be a trilogy.
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28 years later is our episode for tonight.
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And we gotta come right outta the gate and tell you we went out and
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saw it and we are going to spoil that hell outta that movie for you.
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So
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Jon: Yeah,
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Kearns: you haven't seen it yet and you don't want that to
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happen, you gotta go see it first.
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Ryan: Yes, go see it and go to the Lowe's a MC in Danbury.
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Those chairs are comfortable.
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Kearns: Love Doxing.
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Us.
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Ryan: well listen for 20
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Kearns: Love doxing.
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Us
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Ryan: for,
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Kearns: Ryan lives there.
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That's where Ryan lives.
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We live in a different state.
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Ryan: I live,
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Jon: Ryan, Ryan lives in a van outside the Lowe's.
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Kearns: that's sadly.
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Ryan: by the river.
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Oh,
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Kearns: But, uh, yeah, since you shouted it out and put, uh, all of us at risk.
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Um, we'll, we'll also shout out their customer service and everything that
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we're awesome and gave John a cool, uh, 28 years later movie poster was sick.
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It's around that house somewhere.
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Ryan: You can see it on our Instagram.
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it on our story.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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We'll probably have it in the beginning of this video too, actually.
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So, good deal.
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Ryan: Yeah, true, true.
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Jon: it nice and unrolled, and then you'll see it rolled up like a dong.
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Kearns: We're gonna be referencing Dongs a lot because this
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movie has a big dick in it.
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Ryan: The alpha Don,
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Kearns: The alpha dom.
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Jon: big one, but it also has a bunch of them too.
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Like
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Kearns: Yeah.
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There's,
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Jon: there's one that gets a lot of attention, but you
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know, there's some other, I,
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Kearns: yeah.
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Ryan: that, that attention,
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Kearns: Not all dongs were created equal in this movie for sure.
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Jon: No,
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Ryan: that attention.
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I'm just gonna say that Attention really made a parent leave with his
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two daughters in the middle of the, actually close to the end of that film.
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they were like an hour in and I. Kerns pointed it out and I
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couldn't help self but laugh.
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But you know, you see so many dongs throughout the film
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in this, like these parts.
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'cause they're, they're basically savages and we're gonna talk about that.
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But when it gets up close and personal, that's when you decide
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to take everyone outta the theater.
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Jon: it
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Ryan: It's already been,
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Jon: it wasn't
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Ryan: it's already been ruined.
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Jon: it wasn't the infidelity.
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I. wasn't any of the, it was one dong.
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It wasn't infected
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Kearns: dong.
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Jon: and birth giving.
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It was a giant veiny dong.
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Kearns: The dong to end all Dons.
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That's what that dong was.
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That sucker when he jumps down in that scene into the train and you
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get the, the camera pans on him.
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It's on the dong for like a solid two seconds.
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You're just like, Jesus Christ.
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But, uh, 28 years later, so Alex Garland's, um, directed,
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Jon: Wrote,
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Ryan: uh, ridden?
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Jon: wrote,
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Kearns: Britt wrote, and who directed it?
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Jon: Boyle
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Kearns: Danny Boyle.
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All right.
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Uh, they took some artistic turns with this one.
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It's an interesting way they started it out.
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They did a couple things in the middle.
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We'll probably touch on those first.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: Um, but just so you guys get the premise, it's 28 years after.
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28 weeks later, or no, 28 years after initial outbreak.
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Jon: I, yeah.
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Ryan: I think.
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Jon: initial outbreak, because it really seems like this is one of those sequels
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that ignores one of the previous parts.
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' cause a lot of the things they established in 28 weeks later do
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not play out in 28 years later.
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Kearns: Oh yeah, true.
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That they had retaken the island.
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Jon: Yeah.
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And the, the lifespan of the infected
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Kearns: Yep.
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That's an interesting one.
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Jon: and the evolution of the infected or
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Kearns: That's, yeah, that happens.
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So 28 days, and then at 28 weeks, you would imagine that it doesn't,
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um, apply, like evolving in 28 weeks compared to 28 years.
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All right.
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We get it.
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but they, we also kind of figure out a few other things as the movie goes
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on that listeners, you'll understand kind of what they try to do to get you
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to suspend your disbelief that these things are still crawling around.
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and I mean, if you suspend your disbelief, it does the job.
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But John's right, it really does kind of screw up the whole
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scientific backing of 28 weeks later.
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Jon: Hmm.
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Kearns: And I don't have a gripe about that.
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Um, it doesn't ruin 28 years later for me.
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Jon: mean, 28 weeks wasn't Danny Boyle, and it wasn't Alex Garland.
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they went with what would imagine their vision would've taken them too.
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Kearns: And one of the things they, they leave out though not once in 28 years, did
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you get the running scene, the fleeing, like with the music, the iconic music.
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I don't remember hearing the music from the beginning of 28 weeks later
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and from kind of the end, middle end of 28 days later, when they're
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running away, like seemingly about to be overrun by these things.
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They have that iconic music score for this franchise and it's, I
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don't think it's in this movie.
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Jon: No, it's a, it's a more in your face score in soundtrack.
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Ryan: Yes.
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Kearns: And I think that plays a lot, a big role in how different
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this is than the predecessors.
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Ryan: Well, you notice that in the scenes when they're, shown
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the infected in the woods, the camera color they use is all red.
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It's again in your face.
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Like they're tearing animals apart.
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They're feeding, you see the blood spraying at the cool effect of seeing
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like the blood spray in the red color.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: that like they have, uh, we can say again, devolved, they're like savages.
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And maybe as the other.
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I think this next one's the bone temple, which is also written by Alex Garland.
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It might explain a little more into that on how they have be evolutionized.
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We can say how they're growing.
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Kearns: evolve.
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Try and evolve.
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Ryan: evolved.
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Yeah, evolved.
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Evolutionized,
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Kearns: They
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Ryan: a new
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Kearns: EIA dies.
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We're gonna do that.
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Jon: the Ryan
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Kearns: Oh, mans getting bigger, so,
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Jon: So is the
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Kearns: so, but your point is well made my friend.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Um,
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Ryan: feel like I'm like Blue Bludo from, uh, animal House.
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Like once I'm on a roll, I just have to keep going.
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Kearns: yeah,
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Ryan: like when
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Kearns: just the words beginning.
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Ryan: Pearl Harbor, wasn't it Japan?
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He's on a roll guys.
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He's just on a roll.
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Kearns: So when we start, by the way, we got a pretty decent cast here.
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Uh, some names that you've never heard before.
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One name you probably two names.
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You probably have maybe three names.
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You probably have, um, yeah, about three.
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But it starts out with Aaron, Taylor Johnson's character,
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who I just know as dad.
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Um, Jody comer's character.
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Isla is his wife.
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they're in an ensconced in a living community that's on a
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perfect little island that's only accessible by this kind of jetty
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you can walk across during low tide.
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And their son's, Alfie Williams, whose, uh, name Spike.
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In the movie, and it starts out with, um, Jamie, his dad, spike going out
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on their first quote unquote hunt.
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So you imagine that these people scavenge for certain supplies and things like that.
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they make mention, they, cut down all their lumber on the
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mainland and cart it back.
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And so
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Jon: Well.
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Kearns: that's a thing.
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Jon: I think it's important to also note the beginning beginning, which really
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doesn't come back until the very end of
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Jon: years earlier, the reemergence of virus.
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And, this kid, Jimmy and some other children locked in a room watching.
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Probably the most horrifying thing in the, the whole movie is the Teletubbies.
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Kearns: Well, it's, it definitely hit me.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: It's like, damn,
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Ryan: show the sun.
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Kearns: we're we're bringing the
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Ryan: creeped
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Kearns: out bro.
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Ryan: that.
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Jon: then, you know, that scene quickly turns into the murder of the
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young Lings, except for Jimmy, who may
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Kearns: But that didn't bother the father that left the movie with the daughter.
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It was the gay tele tubby that really pissed him off.
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Jon: I don't, no, he was fine.
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I think he was fine with gay Teletubbies too.
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It was.
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Kearns: No, just the one You don't remember that scandal?
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The one tele tubby they said was gay.
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Jon: No, that was sort
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Ryan: Yep.
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I remember that.
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Kearns: Yeah, it was peak.
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Well, I, I wish that was peak public stupidity, but unfortunately
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we've gotten, we've evolved too.
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Jon: devolved,
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Ryan: Evolutionized.
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Devolve is a better word for that.
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Evolutionized,
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Ryan: crazy scene though.
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Jon: yeah.
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Ryan: like he hears the knocking and like, did he really have a choice?
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I mean, they would've probably busted the door down eventually,
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Kearns: did he call out from in there?
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Is, did he call out like dad or something?
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Or was he silent when they hit the door?
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Yeah.
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So that, that's what alerted them that he was in there.
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Jon: Yeah.
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I mean I think they knew they were in there 'cause, but
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that really intensified it.
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And then they just sort of run in past Jimmy who's able to sneak
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out to the church where his dad is seemingly pretty happy about this.
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Kearns: Yeah, he's got the whole,
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Jon: foretold.
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Kearns: yeah, it's the, uh, end of days.
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And this is the rapture.
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And he's psyched.
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He psyched.
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Because if you get, I guess he thinks when you get devoured, you're becoming
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: Uh,
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Ryan: he does lead them too, which is interesting.
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He leads them in like, uh, it's like a, you can say a crusade after he gets turned
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: um.
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Ryan: 'em.
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But it's interesting
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Kearns: that, is that, uh, spoiler from the next movie?
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Ryan: Ooh,
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Kearns: Yeah.
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We don't know anything about, we don't know anything about the dad
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other than it's in the church.
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Jon: He's, he just sort of gets turned and Jimmy runs off, but he, I, you know,
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knowing where the Jimmy character goes, that's a pretty significant moment.
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'cause the fanaticism is already there.
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Kearns: Yeah, it seems to be genetic.
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Mm-hmm.
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Jon: It's
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: Um, that's a cool opening scene.
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They could have done that music score there, by the way.
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That would've been a good place for it.
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But, um, Jimmy, Jimmy, uh, presumably he fleas again, and then we don't see
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anything and it snaps to 28 years later.
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And that's where we start on the islands and you get the idea.
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They're, a self-sustaining community.
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They've got their rules.
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They don't waste a lot of time on all that they, that's been so done and overdone.
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So they, that was a good job by boil and Garland to just
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kind of scoop through that.
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So we don't, we didn't waste a lot of time in there.
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Um, this movie does not skimp on the action, so immediately.
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Ryan: Yeah.
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Kearns: You get Spike Dad's making breakfast, and then they're leaving and
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we get a good view of the mother who's, in a stage of dementia and she's flipping
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out on the father for taking the kid out.
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And then they lie to her and say, he is going to school.
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And she's like, okay.
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Jon: Mm-hmm.
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Kearns: they leave and they, they establish a bunch of stuff
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from there going across the jetty, going onto the mainland.
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And that's where we get our first look at what these infected
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are looking like these days.
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Ryan: The crawlers.
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Kearns: The crawlers were the first.
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So Yeah.
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Now, now that we've gotten into it, the, that's the first major
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shift in the franchise, right?
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Jon: Yeah.
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Changes
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: what the rage virus does to them.
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Kearns: yeah.
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And now it feels like a video game.
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Uh, it feels like last of us a little bit.
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And that was a choice.
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Ryan: Evil.
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Kearns: Yeah, it was a choice.
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I'm not sure how people are gonna view the choice.
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I'm pretty neutral on it.
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I don't love it.
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I don't hate it.
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the grubers they called them are the big fat ones that are just
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crawling around, slurping up worms.
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Ryan: S
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Kearns: Um, it's like, okay.
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And yeah, it was a good, safe choice to shoot that one first.
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And they're going around bows and arrows.
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they're not, equipped with automatic weapons or anything fun like that.
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So they're, they're great with arrows.
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Jon: And I mean, it it, that's a very logical thing too, because it's still
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very well established that the, rage virus infected are drawn to sound.
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Jon: So
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Ryan: Yes.
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Jon: a gun, you really don't want to use it.
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Kearns: that's fair.
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The other fun thing about the arrows is how they overhype what
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the impact of an arrow looks like.
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They make an explosion sound, and then they blow out parts of the, the infected
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body when the, uh, arrows, except for that initial gruber where it gets in the neck.
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Um,
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Ryan: one just had blood flowing.
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Kearns: I'm trying to think.
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Ryan: it's that pop though.
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It
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Kearns: Yeah.
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Ryan: you as the audience member focused
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Kearns: Oh yeah.
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It's necessary.
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Ryan: oh God, yes.
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I mean, just, I feel like the chopper scene in 28 weeks, uh,
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weeks later, unnecessary, this, this fits in the universe, I feel,
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Kearns: Yeah, a hundred percent.
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Ryan: you know?
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Jon: Yeah.
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It's
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Kearns: A hundred percent the, yeah, and you need it.
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That's like the not skimming on the action thing was a good move on their part.
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Like I, there wasn't a point in the movie where I was like, damn, and I'm
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getting old and tired and lazy and whatnot, and I was just like, damn,
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I kind of hope this is over soon.
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I really didn't hit that, that groove in this, it ended and
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I was like, oh man, really?
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It's over.
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so they did well with the pacing.
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Jon: Yeah, it's nearly two hours.
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It doesn't feel like it's two hours.
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Kearns: Mm-hmm.
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Ryan: No.
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Kearns: And moves.
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They don't waste too much time with certain things.
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Yeah, they, well, yeah, they definitely did that.
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The bastards,
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Jon: It,
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Kearns: but.
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Jon: it makes you want more of parts of it.
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Kearns: Right.
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There was some stuff I didn't like watching.
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It moved fast, but I was sitting there being really skeptical of the
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choices that they did, and I'm sure when we glance over those parts,
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we'll all kind of talk about them.
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But, we've got them on the mainland and they're foraging a little bit,
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but they're really, they're just there to get spike to pop his cherry
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and kill some of these things.
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And Spike does so, and then they, wind up, running into the next iteration of these,
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which are still just called the fast ones.
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And there's an alpha style thing, which basically commands other ones.
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So you have a tribal unit established.
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You have thought and control.
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It's the first time you ever see an infected standing still
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strategically doing something.
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Watching, watching what these other people are doing, and then
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sending others down after them.
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I fucking.
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State that concept, it totally flies in the face of the franchise's,
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like previous precedent.
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I'm not a fan of.
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I mean, I've lived with it.
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I'm not, I don't hate the movie because of it, but I just don't
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think that was the right way to go.
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What do you guys think?
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Jon: I didn't mind it as much as you.
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they sort of turn the infected into Neanderthals, you know,
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they no longer wear clothing.
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they're communicating.
18:29
I. Uh, you know, very, very basically, and the alpha, you know, is like,
18:36
like the sort of un almost un killable aspect of the alpha, but the rest of
18:43
Kearns: Yeah.
18:44
Jon: as much.
18:45
Kearns: Then they said that the, virus is like steroids for some of them.
18:48
That's how they explain the alpha concept.
18:50
That's how it got to be 11 feet tall.
18:54
It's not 11 feet tall, but it's pretty damn tall.
18:55
Think's gotta be about eight feet tall,
18:57
Ryan: Like eight
18:58
Kearns: about 300 pounds.
18:59
Not a shred of body fat.
19:01
About a 10 inch cock, maybe longer.
19:04
Just flopping around
19:05
Jon: 20
19:06
Ryan: It's just dragging
19:07
Kearns: at 28 inches later.
19:09
Ryan: 20.
19:11
That's gonna pop up now one day.
19:14
Kearns: Yeah, no, let's get that in the metadata for the video,
19:17
Jon: Yeah.
19:18
Ryan: a spoof.
19:18
Kearns: it's, I don't know.
19:22
Jon: The alpha
19:22
Ryan: I liked it.
19:23
I thought from,
19:24
Jon: the alpha kind of takes on almost a Sasquatch quality.
19:28
Ryan: yeah.
19:28
Yeah, he does.
19:29
Kearns: Yeah, a lot of hair.
19:30
That was the second alpha.
19:31
They killed the first alpha.
19:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
19:34
Ryan: But that took, that took a lot.
19:36
It took a lot of arrows, it took a lot of strategy.
19:38
Kearns: Makes you wonder too, there's two alphas in such close
19:41
proximity, do they not feud over territory and women and stuff?
19:45
Because that's the other thing I hate by
19:47
Ryan: Bone,
19:48
Kearns: fucking and reproducing is on the minds of these things,
19:51
which further shows thought.
19:52
And then you're less in the rage virus mode now and you're more in like, uh,
19:55
like John said, like an Neanderthal.
19:58
Jon: Yeah.
19:58
Ryan: Bone.
19:59
Temple's.
19:59
Probably gonna explain it more.
20:01
Kearns: Yeah, probably.
20:02
Ryan: how I see it going.
20:04
Jon: or maybe this is, you know, just one of those things that they're
20:07
choosing to avoid having to address.
20:10
Ryan: Well,
20:11
Kearns: Just to move on,
20:12
Ryan: Jim's gonna be in the next one.
20:14
Jon: Mm-hmm.
20:14
Kearns: what we keep saying.
20:15
Ryan: Jim, Jillian Murphy or Cian Murphy.
20:18
Sorry.
20:18
Killian.
20:19
Killian.
20:20
Jon: yeah, I
20:20
Ryan: Killian Murphy.
20:21
Jon: in the cast.
20:22
I mean,
20:23
Ryan: I saw him
20:24
Kearns: Let's see how it goes.
20:25
Ryan: No, um, Ray, uh, Ray fines, no.
20:30
He's not even in it.
20:31
And I feel like the bone temple as we'll get into it, it's
20:34
very more connected to him.
20:36
I feel
20:36
Jon: it's
20:37
Kearns: Mm.
20:37
Ryan: that whole tower.
20:38
Jon: It is.
20:39
It isn't, I guess.
20:41
I
20:41
Kearns: So the viewers don't know.
20:42
The listeners don't know what we're talking about.
20:44
Let's do it linearly and get to get to the doctor.
20:47
Um,
20:48
Ryan: That's fair.
20:49
Kearns: so we, they, they run into these things.
20:52
He gets back to that they shelter in this cabin, which, um, works fine.
20:57
And then it randomly decides it's gonna fall the night that they're
21:00
sheltering in it, which is no problem.
21:03
They just leave and they go back to the jetty waiting for the tide to get lower.
21:08
Jon: Yeah.
21:08
Kearns: well, Ryan, right.
21:11
Ryan: well, they, they leave because, uh, the stampede, a
21:14
stampede causes that whole house
21:16
Kearns: Well, he dreamt, he dreamt of that.
21:19
It was the stampede reel.
21:21
Ryan: concept.
21:22
Oh, uh, yes.
21:22
The stampede was real.
21:23
'cause they sh foreshadow it when they come by the deer.
21:28
Uh, running past.
21:31
Kearns: Okay.
21:31
That's more believable than the house just fell because the dad, Jamie does say it
21:36
was just, it's time to go sort of thing.
21:38
Like he talks about it a little bit.
21:40
Jon: Yeah.
21:40
Ryan: the connection you mentioned with the dream is interesting
21:44
Kenny tell what's going on.
21:45
Does, you know,
21:47
Kearns: If they add psychic shit, the next movie's gonna suck.
21:52
But John, what were you saying?
21:53
Jon: Um, yeah, the, the, that's one of the elements that I'm wasn't a
21:58
huge fan of was the dreams and these sort of like, cut in scenes from
22:03
like medieval battles and stuff.
22:06
I wasn't a fan of that part of it for sure.
22:09
It
22:09
Kearns: It was like they were fight clothing and the
22:11
subliminal message your face.
22:13
Jon: me out of moments of the movie 'cause it was, you know, I'm trying to wait.
22:17
How, what is it?
22:18
What's just that, why are we, why are there archers and like
22:22
medieval charges and stuff?
22:24
What's going on here?
22:26
Kearns: Yeah, it was weird.
22:27
Ryan: subliminal messaging.
22:29
It's trying to illustrate that they're at war and they're
22:31
training these kids to be soldiers.
22:34
And it's like, you can see that if you, Alex Garland's an excellent writer.
22:39
We know this.
22:40
He could have, he illustrates it perfectly in the script.
22:44
It's like editing those scenes to make the movie a little longer.
22:48
Sometimes you don't need that.
22:50
It wasn't really necessary.
22:52
Maybe like snippets in the beginning, but not at like a few scenes
22:57
after, just to clarify, so to say.
23:01
Jon: Yeah.
23:01
Ryan: It's, you know, I would've taken more of the red coloring with the rages
23:07
going crazy, you know, destroying things.
23:10
I think that would've been cool to add.
23:12
Kearns: They did little cuts too to like, just to establish, which is
23:16
flies in the face of a horror movie.
23:18
But they, like, with the alpha putting the deer's head up on the tree, they
23:22
decide to do a cut scene showing him doing it as opposed to making
23:26
you sit there and wonder about it.
23:28
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
23:29
Kearns: which is, you know, establishes what John talked about earlier, yesterday,
23:34
is that this is not a horror movie.
23:37
No.
23:38
Jon: No, an action movie with scary things.
23:42
Kearns: And Gore, lots of gore and some, some really, really Girthy Dick
23:46
Jon: And
23:46
Kearns: as well.
23:47
Jon: and a little bit of humor.
23:48
There are a couple of things that I laughed at.
23:51
Kearns: Oh yeah.
23:51
No, it's got it's good movie.
23:52
Jon: I think it, I think they were intentionally funny.
23:55
Kearns: Ripping into it a little bit I think is important because
23:58
they tried to go for something with it and I don't think they meet.
24:01
They met that pinnacle.
24:03
Jon: No, I don't, I don't
24:04
Ryan: Nah.
24:04
Jon: either.
24:05
to get back to the story.
24:06
I mean, it's really the return from this first trip out
24:12
sets everything into motion.
24:14
Spike comes
24:15
Ryan: yes.
24:15
Jon: there's a big party for Spike.
24:18
Spike gets a little drunk, goes outside to puke and catches
24:21
dad messing around with Rosie.
24:24
Kearns: And um,
24:26
Ryan: it hard.
24:26
Kearns: Spike's not a fan of that.
24:28
'cause mom's having a hard time and dad's getting down with Rosie.
24:32
Jon: Mm-hmm.
24:32
Kearns: Does Dad get down with her?
24:34
That's a little, they show a little bit of that too.
24:36
And Rosie's like, in this, we talked about this a little bit.
24:39
It looks like she fell out of a Cosmo magazine.
24:42
She's, she doesn't look like she's living in a post-apocalyptic hell at all.
24:46
She's definitely got a razor, you know, that much.
24:49
She
24:50
Ryan: She's
24:51
Kearns: perfectly, perfectly put together young lady and
24:53
then, uh, Jamie's character, a little bit more unkempt looking.
24:57
he rails her, but they don't show the railing, but he rails.
25:00
Jon: feel like that sort of is an attempt to make Jamie into kind of a bad guy.
25:08
And I just, I don't see it that way.
25:09
I see it, you know, post-apocalyptic.
25:12
Jamie knows what's going on with his wife.
25:15
knows Isla is not well and is not likely to recover from what's going on.
25:19
not in the world that they're in without, you know, we, we will
25:23
eventually learn what's wrong with her.
25:25
But,
25:26
Kearns: Right.
25:26
Jon: know, without medication, without even a doctor on the
25:30
island, it's, you know, he's gotta recognize where it's going.
25:37
And even a spike eventually acknowledges.
25:40
That he thinks she's dying and that Jamie should thinks that too.
25:44
So
25:46
Kearns: Yeah.
25:47
Jon: I don't, I don't fault dad for any of his choices there.
25:52
Kearns: No, I mean, that's a fair take.
25:54
And you're, you're talking about a guy who's giving up his entire existence to
25:58
take care of the family care for Isla.
26:00
It's not like he'd abandoned her.
26:01
He's just, if he's pursuing some form of romantic thing elsewhere.
26:07
And keep in mind too, his role in this society is the most dangerous job.
26:11
He could be dead at any moment, so I get it.
26:14
Jon: can be
26:14
Kearns: Um,
26:15
Jon: no one would ever know because it's also established they're not
26:18
going looking for these people.
26:20
Kearns: yeah, when you go out, you're on your own.
26:23
So, and you've gotta figure even the best of them, you
26:26
get a one in 10 chance, right?
26:28
Jon: Yeah.
26:29
Kearns: Maybe way, maybe worse than that actually.
26:32
Ryan: You saw the graves.
26:33
Jon: Mm-hmm.
26:33
Ryan: lot of
26:34
Jon: So that sort of sets spike at odds with dad and you know, he kind of becomes
26:42
determined that he needs this sort of mythical Dr. Kelson to come and save mom,
26:50
Kearns: Yeah.
26:51
Ryan: Dr. Kelson
26:52
Jon: which I know it didn't fully play out in this one.
26:56
I would imagine it's going to in Bone Temple.
26:59
It's sort of the catastrophic type of decision the kids in 28 weeks
27:05
later made to leave the safety and
27:12
take mom with him to go and find the doctor.
27:16
Kearns: Yeah.
27:17
Ryan: Spike was born in this world.
27:19
That's a difference.
27:20
Jon: Well,
27:20
Ryan: Like he kinda was like raised while Andy and Tammy kind of were
27:24
like thrown in and just stupid
27:27
Jon: But I
27:28
Ryan: Anita, find a picture.
27:29
Jon: to that moment, to his, you know, up until his first expedition off
27:36
the island, doesn't really know it.
27:39
I mean, it's, you know, it's seems like it's
27:41
Ryan: True.
27:44
Jon: situation, you know, there, it doesn't seem like it's somewhere that gets
27:49
overrun by infected particularly often.
27:52
He may have never, it seems like at times in the that first expedition,
27:57
he's never seen it infected.
28:00
Kearns: No, definitely not.
28:01
them dragging the alpha is like movie magic coincidence sort of stuff.
28:06
because after they do run back, they do drag an alpha with them that has to
28:10
be killed 'cause they're out of arrows.
28:11
It has to be killed at the gates of their community.
28:13
I. Um, this precedes the stuff that we just talked about
28:18
with the party and everything.
28:20
And then after that, spike's character in an effort to save his mother.
28:24
He learned about a doctor who's out there.
28:27
And we also didn't talk about the fire.
28:29
We went over the fire too.
28:31
Uh, spike noticed a large bonfire out there, and they established this
28:34
sort of mythical presence of this crazy doctor who's doing terrible
28:38
things with bodies out there.
28:40
And, um, and Spike, decides he's going to go out there and find him so he can save
28:47
his mom and he brings his mom with him.
28:50
And if they, there's a, like a little bit of a scheme to get outta the
28:52
community and off he goes back into the wild by his lonesome with his mom.
28:58
And that's where we get pretty much the second half of the movie.
29:01
Jon: Yep.
29:02
Ryan: Yeah.
29:03
And they also meet.
29:05
A Swedish NATO soldier named Eric Suki.
29:09
'cause during this time patrol, they crash land and they meet the alpha
29:15
and the alpha tears them apart.
29:18
they think they're safe.
29:20
They're going through this whole thing, shit hits, array.
29:22
Rage's come and left and right, lock themselves alone in the sewer.
29:28
a smart move.
29:29
Alpha found a way in, tears him apart.
29:32
You see him rip the guy's basically skull from his body.
29:37
Spinal cord attached and good old Eric just runs away.
29:41
I really thought that was Jimmy in the beginning when I saw him.
29:45
And then I was like on uh
29:47
Jon: I would, yeah, I mean, I spent the whole movie waiting for Jimmy that was.
29:52
Just one in a string of people.
29:54
I was sure was gonna be Jimmy,
29:57
Ryan: yep.
29:58
It was just the blonde hair.
30:00
Jon: they,
30:00
Ryan: looking for the cross.
30:01
Jon: They established the pulling the spinal cord out by the head as the alpha
30:08
Ryan: Yeah.
30:10
Kearns: Which is totally stolen from another franchise we're all well aware of.
30:15
Ryan: Predator.
30:17
Kearns: Yeah.
30:18
Which it's a visceral thing to rip somebody's head and spine out for sure.
30:25
Ryan: the Predator Chirps, definitely copyright infringement right there.
30:28
Kearns: I mean, yeah, they, they took some liberties with a few things, but
30:35
that one was like, okay, that's fine.
30:37
so Spike, Eric and Mom are traveling.
30:40
A lot of comic reliefs going on during this part.
30:42
Eric's kind of a goofball.
30:44
Jon: Yeah.
30:44
He,
30:45
Ryan: Yep.
30:45
Jon: he saves them after they're trapped in a gas station and.
30:49
You know, they sort of travel together for a while and he's,
30:52
yeah, he's some comic relief.
30:53
A little bit of like, this is what the rest of the world is like, spike, like is
30:59
Kearns: Yeah.
31:00
And then he establishes, I'm never getting off the island because
31:03
this is the quarantine zone.
31:04
What you've set foot on this godforsaken island, you're stuck forever.
31:08
Jon: Yep.
31:08
Kearns: So he's traveling, trying to live and they go together, towards
31:12
this doctor and they um, chance upon one of these groups of infected
31:19
who've got a pregnant infected.
31:21
And like I said,
31:22
Ryan: Yes.
31:23
Kearns: know my opinion on all this stuff.
31:25
Like this is the direction they went in and that's great and everything.
31:27
But this is another moment where I was like, nah, because it's just
31:32
not 28 days later, it's just not.
31:35
But whatever they've evolved, it's 28 years later.
31:37
I get it.
31:38
So she's Prego and she's in a train, uh, later on trying to give birth
31:42
to this baby and dementia mom.
31:48
Midwives her way up and does this and spirit fingers her and helps her
31:54
deliver the baby, which is super.
31:58
Ryan: It shows that they have a little humanity still left in them because
32:03
she grabs the hand, she's delicate, she sees she's helping her, and then
32:07
once that baby pops out, game over.
32:11
Kearns: Yeah,
32:12
Ryan: after Isla?
32:14
Yep.
32:14
She goes after Isla and it's like Eric puts a couple shots into
32:18
her, but it alerts everyone as they're trying to figure out if
32:21
this baby is infected or not.
32:24
Which turns out, guess, so it doesn't really illustrate the point if, 'cause the
32:31
alpha comes and he's looking for the baby.
32:33
Was it the Alpha's baby?
32:35
Jon: would
32:36
Ryan: Was
32:36
Kearns: would imagine.
32:37
Jon: I
32:37
Kearns: I would imagine.
32:39
Jon: yeah.
32:39
I would assume that
32:41
Kearns: I.
32:41
Jon: baby born to those infected tribes is the alpha's baby.
32:45
Ryan: So to infect it, create a positive and
32:50
Kearns: No, they just, uh, they went through the science of it.
32:53
The placenta
32:54
Jon: Yeah.
32:55
Kearns: uh, known in, in moms to, to protect against babies like a baby
33:00
born with HIV isn't, isn't given HIV in vitro. It's given usually during
33:05
child labor, the birth and stuff.
33:08
So,
33:09
Jon: okay.
33:10
How does the baby not wind up infected after birth like that?
33:14
Mm-hmm.
33:35
Mm-hmm.
33:35
Kearns: Because if it's just, if it gets in your mouth or
33:37
your eye and you're infected.
33:39
That baby's infected the end.
33:41
Ryan: Yes,
33:42
Kearns: So,
33:43
Ryan: a little demon baby running around.
33:45
Okay.
33:45
Kearns: so they have a, they have a baby and they're, it's not like
33:50
they can't make normal babies in their society, but they're gonna be
33:52
good people and protect the baby.
33:54
So they take the baby they run, which causes the alpha,
33:58
alpha dong to chase after them.
34:01
And they're, they're all but fucked.
34:03
Jon: Mm-hmm.
34:04
Kearns: outta the woodwork?
34:06
But the good old doctor actually forgot his name, but Ray Fines.
34:11
Yeah.
34:11
Ian Kelson.
34:13
And he comes out with a dark gun, with some yummy, yummy morphine and brings
34:18
down the alpha, not kills it, just puts it to sleep, which is another thing
34:22
where it's like, come on, kill it.
34:24
Ryan: he gave him a name, actually Samson.
34:26
Kearns: Yeah.
34:27
He calls him.
34:27
Jon: Yeah.
34:28
Ryan: calls him Samson.
34:29
Jon: Kelson seems to commune with the infected to some level.
34:32
Kearns: They're around him.
34:33
Ryan: bring you.
34:34
Be peaceful.
34:36
Tries to be peaceful.
34:37
Kearns: Yeah, he's a weirdo.
34:39
So they, they join him
34:42
Jon: I mean,
34:42
Kearns: and they walk into his camp?
34:44
Jon: as he shows up covered in iodine, you know, he is gonna be a little bit weird.
34:48
Kearns: it's a solid, solid theory though.
34:50
He is like, it does this, uh, the virus, it does not like iodine.
34:55
So he covers his whole body and then he is got this like yellow
34:58
kind of mad max look to him.
35:01
Ryan: Yep.
35:02
Kearns: Then he's stabbed, he's in his own little camp.
35:06
Commune.
35:07
Not, not commune.
35:08
'cause there's no other community.
35:09
It's just him and a thousand corpses basically.
35:11
And he bleaches the bones from all the dead infected and, and uninfected alike.
35:16
Jon: The bone
35:17
Kearns: And he establishes the bone temple I suppose.
35:20
It's a, visually cool thing.
35:23
Jon: I, yeah, the visuals of that, that bone
35:25
Ryan: Yeah, it's
35:26
Jon: really awesome.
35:26
Kearns: I wonder how long those bones would be bleached white
35:29
like that out in the wild though.
35:30
'cause they're o it's open air.
35:33
I wonder.
35:33
I wonder.
35:35
Ryan: depending on the time of year.
35:36
I'd say, uh, I'd say be fine.
35:39
The summer start wearing in the late fall,
35:42
Kearns: Yeah.
35:42
'cause you see bleach bones like that in the desert climates, but not
35:46
necessarily in the wet climate of England.
35:49
So,
35:50
Ryan: is just too wet.
35:51
Jon: And then so you get the first act at the bone temple for, spike
35:55
and Mom is bleaching Eric's skull and adding him to the temple.
36:01
Kearns: which is interesting.
36:03
Ryan: Put him on the bottom.
36:04
Kearns: They show some, a little gore, a little uncomfortable gore with that too,
36:08
as he's like peeling the remaining flesh off of it after he boiled it and stuff.
36:12
Ryan: And the hair.
36:14
He's like, it's normal.
36:15
It's okay.
36:16
Kearns: Yeah.
36:17
Jesus Christ here, we know you've done this for, while they
36:20
established that too, it's like many
36:22
Ryan: 28 years.
36:23
Jon: Mm-hmm.
36:24
Kearns: he's been out there doing that.
36:25
Jon: Yep.
36:26
Kearns: So, um, he does diagnose Ila,
36:29
Jon: Yep.
36:29
Kearns: isn't great for Ila 'cause he diagnosed her with advanced
36:33
breast cancer, which is spread and that's why she's going crazy
36:37
Jon: Mm-hmm.
36:38
Kearns: 'cause it's in her brain now.
36:39
And, uh, basically whoop.
36:41
Jon: that, yeah.
36:42
I mean, that, to me, that was the most telegraphed part of that.
36:47
The whole movie was that she had cancer and she was definitely going to die.
36:52
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
36:53
Jon: I mean, almost from the minute you see her and you know, the, intensity
36:58
of the headache she has, that's my,
37:01
Kearns: Yeah.
37:01
Jon: mind goes immediately.
37:03
Kearns: She has to die or a spike will never leave, you
37:06
know, the comfort of her shadow.
37:08
Jon: Yeah.
37:08
Kearns: So
37:09
Ryan: It's
37:09
Kearns: it's for the story to move for that kid, he's, it's gotta happen, but the
37:13
way they do it is actually kind of neat.
37:15
the doctor kind of recedes back after giving her the news.
37:18
Jon: Mm-hmm.
37:19
Kearns: aware of what's happening and then they kind of, they trick spike and
37:23
just shoot him with one of the traks.
37:25
And he's not, he doesn't pass out right away.
37:27
He's just pacified.
37:29
And the mother explains to him, the doctor explains to him that it's best to do
37:33
it like this rather than live with all this pain that's coming down the pipe.
37:37
And she's with it right now.
37:39
So she'd rather die on those terms and that was cool.
37:42
Ryan: It needs to happen.
37:43
What ne did need to happen is him being emotionless as he put
37:48
the skull on top of the temple.
37:51
I mean, feel like as a screenwriter he should have had a little
37:55
more emotion, little more tears.
37:57
Instead of being like, look at the sunlight, mom, just just look at the sun.
38:01
Like, I need more emotion.
38:04
Jon: I would say two things about that.
38:07
One, I, it, that part did, I would've thought that part would've
38:11
been more emotional to watch, and it didn't hit me at all.
38:16
Kearns: Not even a little.
38:16
Jon: But I think that
38:19
Ryan: Nope.
38:20
Jon: because they're in a world where death is commonplace.
38:25
You know, You could grieve for like a moment, but you kind
38:29
of have to go on from there.
38:31
Kearns: Yeah, you can't stall.
38:33
Ryan: that.
38:34
Kind of
38:34
Kearns: true.
38:35
Ryan: accepting it.
38:35
Jon: Yeah.
38:36
Yeah.
38:36
I
38:36
Ryan: Like,
38:37
Jon: mean, Dr. Kelson makes a big point of repeatedly saying Memento Maori
38:43
Kearns: Yeah.
38:44
Jon: and then Memento a Morris.
38:48
Yeah.
38:48
Reme.
38:48
Remember, we all die.
38:49
Remember, we all love like it, you know, it's, that part works.
38:56
I mean, you know, you want to, you would want to see a little emotion
38:59
from Spike in that, in that scene, but it, it, that kind of works for me too.
39:05
Kearns: It kind of hardens.
39:06
It shows like the end of that arc too.
39:09
He is like, he's ready for the journey.
39:11
Yeah, exactly.
39:12
Ryan: Yeah.
39:13
Kearns: He just had his mother's, his mother was just, had her arms around him.
39:16
He is got her skull in his hand 45 minutes later.
39:19
It was wild concept.
39:20
Jon: the other thing they sort of established early on
39:23
is Spike is young for this.
39:25
Kearns: Yeah.
39:26
Jon: 12.
39:27
Ryan: yep.
39:27
Jon: they send him out at 14 or 15, so he's
39:30
Ryan: Mm-hmm.
39:31
Jon: So he's, you know, it's, that's his grow up moment.
39:35
Ryan: Yep.
39:38
It's like a coming of age story in its own way in the world of 28, 28 days later,
39:43
like, how do you mature in this world?
39:45
Jon: Mm-hmm.
39:45
Ryan: You know?
39:46
Well, you're a kid till 1214, then shit hits the fan sometimes even sooner.
39:52
Jon: listen, people who aren't living in a safe island, like Spike grew up,
39:57
it's probably even younger than that.
39:59
Kearns: Oh yeah, you gotta be ready to kill at a very young age.
40:03
Get out there and go.
40:04
And it's not like these things are easy to kill either.
40:06
Jon: No.
40:06
Kearns: They're incredibly difficult to kill.
40:09
Ryan: the grubers are
40:11
Kearns: Yeah.
40:11
That's the thing about them though, is the ever presence creep.
40:14
'cause they, a gruber almost takes out spike
40:18
Ryan: Yeah.
40:18
Kearns: the mother.
40:19
That's a cool scene too, where they show the mother saved his
40:21
life, but they didn't, uh, they, she didn't remember it afterward.
40:25
Ryan: mm-hmm.
40:26
Kearns: That's neat.
40:28
Jon: Yeah.
40:29
Kearns: Before she died, everybody, just so you know, we, we'd skip over
40:32
a couple little things here and there
40:34
Ryan: Well, I thought that was the same gruber from earlier in
40:37
the film that they kept alive.
40:39
He's like, go on.
40:41
That's what I believe.
40:42
I believe that's the same gruber from earlier when Aaron Taylor
40:46
Johnson's like, move along.
40:49
like, he's like, payback.
40:51
I'm gonna take a chomp out of this kid.
40:52
I'm just gonna take a little, little snack.
40:54
Kearns: could be.
40:55
Ryan: that scene was cool 'cause it, it's unexpected 'cause you think she's
40:58
down and out and then she pops up.
41:01
She had a V she had a vielle moment.
41:03
If, if no one's ever seen Killing Eve highly recommend it.
41:07
She stars in it, Jody Comer.
41:09
But that was her, her moment of just knocking the, the rager the fuck out.
41:15
And it was good.
41:16
It worked out.
41:18
Jon: Yeah, that was a good scene.
41:21
They
41:22
Kearns: Um,
41:22
Jon: had a thing in filming this for the extreme overhead shots.
41:28
Kearns: yeah, they like to do that perspective thing,
41:32
which kind of gives you the whole, like looking into an, an farm
41:34
vibe 'cause they're stuck in this, on this in this world sort of.
41:39
Um,
41:40
Ryan: that.
41:41
Kearns: yeah, it's an interesting way to go about it.
41:43
It's, it's camera perspectives are huge.
41:45
another one of their artistic license takings that they did in this movie
41:52
is that with the camera, what they decided to do during certain scenes,
41:57
the extreme closeups on the infected at times, not like in the other movies,
42:01
uh, where it was sort of fixed camera
42:03
Jon: Mm-hmm.
42:04
Kearns: are running by the fixed camera.
42:05
This was, you know, kind of felt like watching predators for a
42:08
little while or prey rather prey.
42:11
a lot of similarities there in that too.
42:15
Like I said, it's not a bad thing, it's just different than the, if
42:19
you're going in expecting 28 days or 28 weeks, you're not getting those things
42:23
Jon: No.
42:24
Kearns: you're getting.
42:25
And then the direction it looks like it's going in at the very end, which
42:28
we're right about to get into, is another huge curve ball, which is way different.
42:31
It feels more like a clockwork orange
42:35
Ryan: Mm Ooh.
42:36
That's a good comparison actually.
42:39
comparison.
42:40
Kearns: Jimmy.
42:40
Absolutely.
42:41
As they behave the same way.
42:42
It's, it's gotta be a non to clockwork orange, the blonde hair,
42:47
the ultra blonde hair and everything.
42:49
But anyway, um, so he has to leave the doctor, the bone temple
42:54
because s Samson found them
42:56
Jon: Yeah.
42:56
Kearns: and he takes Isla and,
42:58
Ryan: yep.
42:58
Kearns: he brings her back to the community, but he doesn't
43:01
return to the community.
43:02
He decides to not go back.
43:04
He leaves and you get the 28 days later thing after his dad like
43:08
tries to run after him or can't, like you can get him whatever.
43:11
So you get the 28 days later thing and then you get to him cooking a fish
43:15
Jon: Yeah, and he, you know, he's cooking a fish and the infected show up,
43:20
Ryan: Yeah.
43:21
Jon: he dispatches a couple.
43:22
You can see in his 28 days he's developed more confidence being out in that world,
43:31
Ryan: Yeah.
43:31
Jon: panicked.
43:32
He's, you know, calm, also outnumbered and takes off running.
43:38
Ryan: he's war torn.
43:39
I feel like, I feel like the 28 days, like he's mentally changed.
43:45
Spike has changed since the, the beginning of the film.
43:48
We know, like Spike as a kid, he's got the toys, he's having fun, and then initially
43:55
slowly like accepts the life that's there.
43:58
Jon: Yeah.
43:59
Ryan: And it's like, it's his own journey, which he's not in the second one.
44:04
So I feel like the third one's gonna converge everything all
44:07
together, if that makes sense.
44:10
Something like, I haven't seen Halloween ends, but the whole idea of it ending
44:15
and kind of wrapping everything up,
44:17
Jon: Mm-hmm.
44:17
Ryan: that they're just gonna wrap all the stories together
44:21
Jon: Well.
44:21
Kearns: establish this for the listener.
44:23
Ryan, what are you talking about?
44:25
How many movies are there gonna be?
44:26
Is this not the third, the end of the franchise?
44:29
Ryan: no, there's gonna be two more.
44:31
They're gonna come out with the bone temple in the, uh, in January, which was,
44:35
uh, shot back to back with 28 years later.
44:38
Uh, different director, but Alex Garland did write the sequel,
44:41
Jon: Yeah.
44:41
Ryan: so it
44:42
Kearns: then there's a movie after that.
44:44
Ryan: Yep.
44:44
Which will be directed by Danny Boyle
44:46
Kearns: So if you guys were paying attention, he said that
44:49
Carrot Spike Spike's character is not going to be in the next 28
44:54
years later, movie Bone Temple,
44:56
Jon: Hmm.
44:56
Kearns: he'll be in the one after that.
44:58
Jon: Which
44:58
Kearns: So this is establishing a new trilogy?
45:00
Jon: of implies to me bone temple, the 28 years later Bone Temple chapter is
45:08
going to be sort of concurrent with the events in this 28 years later
45:14
Kearns: It might be,
45:15
Jon: they, they leave
45:16
Ryan: it could.
45:17
Jon: where that story has to pick up with Spike somehow.
45:22
Kearns: You can't just move on.
45:24
You could do a time forward kind of thing, a flash forward and have
45:27
Spike played by an older actor.
45:29
Maybe that's like, he's not in the cast, the kid, but,
45:32
Ryan: Let's see
45:33
Kearns: um, that could possibly be it.
45:34
But yeah, there's gonna have to be something they probably, you wanna
45:37
establish what happened with Jimmy do
45:39
Jon: Mm-hmm.
45:39
Kearns: because, so at the end of the movie, when Jimmy's,
45:43
Jimmy's characters all come out,
45:45
Jon: Yeah.
45:46
Kearns: is, yeah, that's what we mean now.
45:48
Ryan: Temple.
45:48
Kearns: That's what we mean is that they're probably gonna flush out his story
45:51
Jon: Because other,
45:52
Kearns: during
45:53
Jon: doesn't, he that's 28 years doesn't explain how he gets
45:58
to where he is without that.
46:00
Because
46:01
Kearns: Yeah.
46:02
Ryan: Yeah.
46:02
Jon: he's clearly the end of this movie, Jimmy has become some kind of cult leader.
46:09
Kearns: Yeah.
46:10
A martial artist's, uh, tracksuit, wearing cult.
46:15
Jon: I don't know if you guys noticed this
46:16
Kearns: Let's finish, let's finish the movie.
46:18
Hold on.
46:18
Before we do that.
46:20
So guys, when Spike is outnumbered, he runs to a, a roadblock and
46:25
gets up to these rocks and there's, he's basically cooked.
46:29
He might have been able to get out of it, but he's basically cooked.
46:31
But then Jimmy is sitting there crouched at the top and he kind of tells him
46:35
holding this long, like pole vaulting rod, and he tells him, um, that, you know,
46:40
they're more coming, blah, blah, blah.
46:41
Why don't you let my friends take care of this?
46:43
And Spike gives this blessing and then these Jimmy acolytes do these ninja
46:47
moves jump down and they hilariously kill the infected that have run
46:51
up on them in these weird ways.
46:53
It's pretty fun to watch and it's a, it's a very campy, weird ends to
46:58
this movie and it doesn't fit the tone very well, and it's definitely
47:02
feels like the Clockwork Orange.
47:03
Um, and it's very, like I said, it makes it, it just shows that they made some
47:09
decisions and they just went with them.
47:11
I don't even know if they, if they received negative feedback,
47:15
if that would've mattered.
47:16
Jon: mm-hmm.
47:16
Kearns: They just decided to go in this direction.
47:18
And then John was just saying post credits now or
47:21
Jon: So,
47:21
Kearns: after?
47:22
Jon: if you watch the credits, it, that's where you really, I mean,
47:27
pretty clear he's leading a cult.
47:28
'cause they're all in blonde wigs.
47:30
But you see the names all roll by and they're all Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy,
47:34
and, and then there's a woman who's jamina, like they're all Jimmy's.
47:38
Ryan: I gotta take a look
47:39
Kearns: Oh yeah.
47:39
And then we, we jumped past the, um, nod at the beginning where they've
47:42
got the guy hung upside down and they've carved Jimmy into his body
47:46
and then let him become infected.
47:49
Uh, that was his punishment, I suppose.
47:52
So the Jimmys are out there then?
47:54
Ryan: do you think spike's got an idea or No.
47:58
Kearns: Well, I mean, he might be able to put that together.
48:00
He did read it on the corpse, on the, oh, the infected guy was on.
48:05
Jon: think at some point he almost has to come to that conclusion.
48:09
Maybe
48:09
Ryan: Okay.
48:10
Jon: Imminently, but like that, feels like it's something that's going to come back.
48:15
Ryan: He like joins them,
48:18
Kearns: for sure.
48:19
So,
48:20
Ryan: their clutches in the third film.
48:22
Jon: Mm-hmm.
48:22
Kearns: so yeah, that's the entirety of 28 years later.
48:25
Uh, gentlemen, what's your take?
48:27
Warm, cold, hot.
48:30
What do you think?
48:31
Ryan: I'm warm.
48:32
I like a lot of the stuff.
48:34
But the thing is, is I, I can't be a fan of movies that have an open-ended,
48:41
like it's open-ended just because like, let's say they didn't get that
48:45
movie Green Lit, the, the sequel.
48:48
Kearns: Well, they already filmed it though.
48:49
We filmed them back to back.
48:51
Ryan: but Hypothe, if they didn't Right.
48:53
Kearns: Well, but we.
48:54
Ryan: an open-ended, that's that's how, that's how I see it.
48:58
I'm like,
48:58
Kearns: That doesn't really apply to this one though, man.
49:00
I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of shout it out.
49:03
It doesn't really apply to this.
49:04
They filmed 'em at the same time.
49:06
So the open-ended ending thing, like hating that in another movie.
49:09
I get that.
49:10
Right.
49:10
But this one, they filmed them.
49:12
They knew they were gonna have the other movie.
49:14
Jon: sure I get that gripe.
49:15
I mean, empire Strikes Back is pretty open-ended.
49:20
I mean, you know, there's a third one
49:21
Ryan: no.
49:22
Jon: pretty open-ended.
49:25
Kearns: Yeah, I guess you're right.
49:27
Ryan: I'm taking my, I'm taking it back.
49:28
I'm taking my ball back.
49:31
Taking it back.
49:32
I'm still warm on
49:33
Kearns: There's plenty of other reasons to be warm on it though.
49:36
Like we're not, you're not gonna shit on that.
49:38
Jon: I
49:38
Kearns: That's my take too.
49:39
I'm average warm.
49:40
Jon: would say I'm
49:41
Ryan: Yeah.
49:42
Jon: I
49:43
Kearns: Yeah.
49:43
I.
49:44
Jon: I wanna watch it again
49:45
Ryan: Yeah.
49:46
Jon: and sort of digest a second viewing and see.
49:51
Ryan: I do wish Dr. Kelson was in it more like, I
49:55
Kearns: I get why that's not a thing too though.
49:58
Ryan: Yeah.
49:59
Kearns: Yeah.
49:59
And that that'll be big in the next movie.
50:01
'cause like John's prediction seems like it's pretty likely that they're
50:04
gonna do his story and Jimmy's story kind of rolling through the next movie.
50:08
Jon: Mm-hmm.
50:10
I, I mean, the thing with Kel though is like, I don't know how much I want
50:14
to know, like, how does he get there?
50:16
That's like, and you know, watch him constructing, but I kind
50:20
of like him just being a sort of weird, mysterious character.
50:25
Ryan: Mysterious Herman in the woods.
50:27
Jon: Yeah.
50:28
Kearns: Leash, leashing bones and being weird.
50:29
Jon: Yeah.
50:30
Like, I don't need, I don't want to know his story.
50:33
Ryan: That's
50:33
Kearns: That's fair.
50:34
That's fair.
50:36
The way the wise sage kind of character vibe.
50:38
Yeah.
50:39
Jon: Yeah.
50:39
Ryan: he's very ambiguous.
50:41
Kearns: He doesn't seem evil either.
50:42
I was expecting him to be evil.
50:43
He doesn't appear.
50:44
Jon: that was the twist I was waiting for was Dr. Kelson is a good dude.
50:50
Kearns: He seems like a very good dude.
50:52
Jon: Yeah.
50:52
He's
50:53
Kearns: Uh,
50:53
Jon: doing his vision of the Lord's work.
50:57
I think, you know, he's sort of returning some sort of balance in his own weird way.
51:03
Ryan: I
51:03
Kearns: and
51:04
Ryan: there's a lot of religious undertones, you can
51:08
say, like in the beginning.
51:10
And Dr. Kelson and just, I guess, well,
51:16
Kearns: they don't harp on him too.
51:17
That is good.
51:18
Ryan: No, no, not too
51:19
Kearns: Which is good.
51:19
They make a bit of a mockery of it actually.
51:22
And then they sort of just make that part of the film's fabric.
51:25
it's one of the things that movie does, I think that hits actually is
51:28
how they handle the religious aspect.
51:30
Ryan: oh, Jimmy's
51:31
Kearns: Stay connected to a cult.
51:33
Ryan: Yeah.
51:34
Kearns: that's it.
51:35
Ryan: like Teletubbies.
51:36
Kearns: Not to say that, uh, for the religious listeners out there, we're
51:39
not meaning to, just to disrespect you, but there are parallels if you,
51:42
uh, you know, Jonestown and things like that is what we've been after.
51:45
Jon: Well,
51:46
Ryan: yes.
51:46
Kearns: big JC
51:47
Jon: I, again, from the credits, one of his acolytes is Jimmy Jones.
51:54
Kearns: Jimmy Jones.
51:56
That's nice.
51:57
I didn't even know that.
51:58
That's a good nod.
51:59
So yeah, he's definitely a cult leader.
52:01
Jon: Yeah.
52:02
Kearns: If you haven't done, um, if you haven't looked into
52:05
Jonestown, there's a million podcasts on it and stuff like that.
52:08
It's a wild ride.
52:09
And there was a congressman who was actually murdered by this cult,
52:14
Ryan: Yep.
52:14
Jon: Mm-hmm.
52:14
Kearns: just crazy shit that happened.
52:17
Jon: And
52:17
Kearns: That was the Kool-Aid
52:18
Jon: yeah.
52:19
Flavor aid.
52:20
Kearns: labor aid.
52:21
Jon: didn't even give him the real stuff.
52:23
They got the
52:24
Kearns: I think they were in South Africa, right.
52:26
Jon: Guyana,
52:27
Kearns: They were in Guyana.
52:28
They had set up the Southern South America, not in Africa.
52:32
This is crazy.
52:33
so the, yeah, that's the, the movie.
52:35
I think some things hit and some things missed.
52:37
I think that you're going to get people who focus on both of those things.
52:40
You're gonna get people who really like this movie.
52:42
There's gonna be kids who've never experienced anything like this movie.
52:45
Jon: Yeah.
52:46
Kearns: And then you're gonna get, you're gonna get people who hate this movie.
52:49
Um, and then you're gonna get guys like us who take the
52:51
good with the bad and sort of,
52:53
Jon: Yeah.
52:53
Kearns: sort of appreciate it for what it is, which was a movie that tried.
52:57
And that's what I like about it the most.
52:59
We tried something new
53:01
Jon: Mm-hmm.
53:01
Kearns: not, that's not always gonna work.
53:03
Jon: you know, reserve some judgment to see where it goes because they, you know,
53:09
it's clearly setting up something more.
53:11
Kearns: Yeah.
53:11
This is a six hour story.
53:13
We've only seen two hours out.
53:15
Ryan: Yep.
53:16
Kearns: Yeah.
53:17
Yeah, that's, um, that's 28 years later.
53:19
Guys.
53:19
I hope you watched it.
53:20
Enjoyed it.
53:21
Um,
53:22
Ryan: Yep.
53:22
Kearns: love to hear your take on it.
53:24
Would love to hear if you disagree with us, especially me and I know
53:28
actually especially Ryan and, uh,
53:31
Ryan: Open-ended
53:32
Kearns: on his open-ended stuff.
53:34
But no, uh,
53:35
Ryan: is
53:35
Kearns: we're gonna be putting out more content and hopefully getting a
53:38
little bit more feedback from you guys.
53:39
'cause I'm, we're starting to get a little hungry for your takes on things
53:42
and just, uh, let us know what you think about the giant dong and if
53:46
you would've let your kids watch it dangle around throughout the movie.
53:49
Ryan: Or would you leave 45 minutes to an hour in watching all those other mini Dons
53:55
Kearns: 28 minutes.
53:57
Jon: That, that was the part that almost made me laugh out loud
54:01
Kearns: Oh, I did laugh.
54:02
I mocked them.
54:03
Ryan: Yeah, I did.
54:03
Jon: you And I think he, I think he was well aware that
54:06
people were laughing at him.
54:08
Kearns: Yeah.
54:09
Jon: did.
54:09
He got to the exit and you know, did this sort of look around thing.
54:13
Ryan: Yeah.
54:15
Jon: Uh,
54:15
Kearns: It's like with the young girl, the one kid was a little older,
54:18
but then his other daughter was very young, not very, not like stupid, but
54:22
she was like in the 12-year-old range.
54:25
She didn't belong in that theater.
54:27
Jon: she,
54:28
Ryan: It's like,
54:29
Jon: she didn't belong in that theater because it, instead
54:31
of rated our movie that
54:33
Ryan: yeah,
54:33
Jon: if you've seen, if you've seen the first two, forgetting the dongs,
54:40
Kearns: Yeah,
54:41
Jon: you
54:41
Ryan: Yeah.
54:41
Jon: it's not gonna, you know, it's not, probably not gonna be
54:44
appropriate for your 12-year-old.
54:47
Kearns: yeah,
54:48
Jon: And if it's, and if it's the, the sexuality part of it that puts
54:52
you over, I'm a little worried.
54:53
Kearns: yeah.
54:54
Ryan: Yeah.
54:54
Kearns: Fair,
54:55
Ryan: Yeah,
54:56
Kearns: Well that's very American, that it's the violence, anything is
54:59
anything goes, but as soon as you see it's hit, that's when we're done.
55:02
That's when we draw the line.
55:04
We're gonna do our top fives, let's see what I, you guys have to come up with
55:08
something interesting for this one.
55:09
So, Ryan, what's your top five list?
55:11
Ryan: This was hard.
55:12
So I took a, I took a practice.
55:15
Yeah, it was, it was limping some parts but hard in others.
55:19
Um,
55:19
Jon: dong.
55:22
Ryan: just swinging in the air, but, um.
55:25
I borrowed something from John's playbook and I went with top
55:28
my top five Ray fine movies
55:31
Kearns: Oh, cool.
55:31
Ryan: seen.
55:32
And, um, to start it off, I'm gonna start off with, uh, Skyfall,
55:37
the third Daniel Craig Bond film.
55:39
Sam Mendes directed brought Bond back to like, I guess the foreground
55:43
of that classic style, the gadgets.
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'cause they were trying to go the born identity with him and it worked for
55:50
the first movie, failed for the second, and they did a good job in the third.
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And he, I like him as m brought
55:57
Kearns: that Casino Royale is the second one, or was that the fourth one?
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Ryan: it's Casino Royale, quantum Solas, Skyfall Specter, and No Time to Die.
56:07
That's the, uh, Daniel Craig alternate universe.
56:10
Kearns: okay.
56:10
Ryan: but Skyfall brings it back and it introduces one of my favorite
56:14
groups, uh, back into the fold.
56:16
Kind of hints at it is Specter.
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I'm a big Bond fan.
56:20
So Specter in the Bond films was very prominent, especially
56:23
the Sean Connery days.
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And Donald Pleasant as Ernest Blofeld, sorry, Christophe Waltz.
56:31
We can't beat that man.
56:32
But this leads me into another Ray Fines movie.
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We were talking about it, and yes, I, we agree that man, Hunter's better,
56:39
but I have to mention Red Dragon,
56:41
Kearns: My dragon's good.
56:42
Ryan: role.
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Um, you know, he shines in it.
56:46
And you got Anthony Hopkins, you got Edward Norton, Harvey
56:50
Kittel, Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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mean, he's a, that's another scene stealer, but.
56:57
Ray Fines is just, he's awesome, awesome.
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The movie.
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And he does such a good job as,
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Kearns: He carries.
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Ryan: Ide, that's his
57:07
Kearns: He
57:07
Ryan: we
57:07
Kearns: carries the dread, and that felt very well
57:11
Ryan: he does, he does.
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I mean, I'll say Tom Dunhan.
57:14
It's scary, but presence of Ray Fines lurking and just huge, the back
57:22
piece, they did a good job with it.
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And you can just feel that menacing that he's around.
57:29
Same thing in this other movie.
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I like, I like this movie a lot.
57:32
It's a black comedy.
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Um, stars Colin Farrell as well, and one of our favorites, Brendan Gleason,
57:40
Kearns: Uhhuh.
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Ryan: Bru.
57:41
you guys seen in Bru
57:43
Kearns: Mm-hmm.
57:43
Ryan: the two Hitmen?
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And, uh, it's so dark and I, I mean we're, I don't wanna even wanna spoil it because
57:50
it starts off as to why they're there.
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Um.
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Oh, I'll spoil it.
57:55
Fuck it.
57:56
Colin Ferrell accidentally shoots a kid and he's taken with his partner, Brendan
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Gleason, to Bruce to vacation, to which Colin Ferrell thinks he's kind of like
58:07
getting away with it while Ray finds his, like telling Brendan Gleason's
58:12
character to kill him and to the point where Ray fines has to go after him.
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It's a good film.
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It's funny, very dark, but it's, it does have heart.
58:22
It does.
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Unlike this movie, the Menu, that's my number two.
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There is no heart in this movie.
58:29
Uh, it's so good.
58:31
I was waiting for it on HBO Max.
58:33
I, I waited and it's just, he is a menace in that movie.
58:38
Just the, the scene.
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You went to college, did you have any student loans?
58:43
No.
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Then you're dying Today it's, it's okay.
58:48
And what he does to Nicholas Holt, he destroys him to the point where.
58:53
It is just a movie you gotta see, but
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Kearns: Yeah,
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Ryan: guys guess my
58:57
Kearns: well, it's a,
58:58
Ryan: Oh, sorry.
58:59
Kearns: the menu, um, leans on the chef trope, the mean chef trope as well, like
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the drill sergeant chef trope, and it
59:06
Jon: Yeah.
59:06
Kearns: goes awol with it.
59:08
It's great.
59:09
It's a good movie.
59:09
Ryan: It, it reminded me of a darker version of The Bear, and
59:13
if you've seen The Bear, um, I'm forgetting the guy's name.
59:16
He was on, he hosted the soup on entertainment.
59:20
Um, he's like an
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Kearns: Oh yeah, he was in it for like a second.
59:23
Uh, the guy from community, what's his name?
59:26
Jon: Oh, um, Joel Mikhail,
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Kearns: yeah.
59:29
Joel McHale, he does, he's a pretty good actor.
59:31
Joel Mcha.
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Ryan: oh, he is.
59:33
I, I love him.
59:34
He doesn't do a lot now, but the thing is, is, um, have you seen the third season?
59:39
Kearns: Yeah.
59:41
Ryan: I, I, uh, I won't say anything but Joel Macchas, as much as he's not in
59:45
there a lot, his character arc is pretty intriguing how they him up and then in
59:52
the third season, kind of like, settle it.
59:55
it's done very well.
59:56
Kearns: Yeah.
59:57
Ryan: I excited for the fourth season, but I was gonna say, do you guys
1:00:00
have a guess of what my first film is
1:00:03
Kearns: First Ray Fines on Fried
1:00:06
Ryan: It's a, it's a classic.
1:00:10
Kearns: Fern Gully.
1:00:11
Ryan: gotta, I wish
1:00:14
Kearns: Yeah.
1:00:14
I don't think people met,
1:00:15
Ryan: List.
1:00:17
Kearns: uh, the Feel Good movie.
1:00:18
I do recall.
1:00:19
Yeah.
1:00:19
I was gonna say, oh, Schindler's List.
1:00:23
Ryan: I watched it later on in life.
1:00:25
Um, it during Christmas, like
1:00:28
Kearns: Oh my God.
1:00:29
Brian,
1:00:30
Ryan: I,
1:00:31
Kearns: what the fuck?
1:00:32
Ryan: Christmas.
1:00:33
Kearns: Yeah.
1:00:34
You know what I, you know what I like On my Christmas, my Uel tide
1:00:38
spirit relies on death of Jews.
1:00:42
Ryan: I, Jada was working.
1:00:44
I was like, I need to watch this film.
1:00:46
Everyone talks about it and it's, it's a, it's an excellent film the black and white
1:00:53
stands out, the Red Coat, but Ray Finds is just a scumbag and he does it so well.
1:01:00
And it's, it's, it's an actual person and it just shows how evil,
1:01:05
like how evil these fuckers were.
1:01:08
And it shows Liam Neeson as this man who's, he's trying to make
1:01:13
money in the beginning off of it.
1:01:15
And then it's like, it shows he has a heart and it's especially the ending.
1:01:19
It's just, I'm thinking about it and I'm just like, uh, and
1:01:22
Kearns: No, that's a good metric.
1:01:23
Ryan: that, but then right after that you have to watch Dark Man, 'cause that
1:01:27
kind of cheers you up after Schindler's
1:01:29
Kearns: I was gonna say, is that like a sequel
1:01:33
Ryan: It's.
1:01:34
Jon: Oh, I thought, I thought you just went to the boy in the striped
1:01:37
pajamas and then that Roberto
1:01:39
Kearns: Dark?
1:01:39
Ryan: Oh,
1:01:39
Kearns: Yeah.
1:01:40
Jon: life
1:01:40
Kearns: I thought Dark Man was like some, I. Esoteric slavery movie
1:01:44
that he was getting into that he was gonna follow UPS list with.
1:01:49
Jon: is your is your Christmas Day movie watch list, just all Holocaust movies.
1:01:56
Ryan: no,
1:01:56
Kearns: makes him happy to be Christian.
1:01:58
That's how he does it.
1:02:00
Ryan: listen, the, the best film I've watched on Christmas was, actually,
1:02:05
I'll shout it out, was with my father-in-law, a few Christmases back.
1:02:08
We watched Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
1:02:10
Kearns: Um,
1:02:11
Ryan: first time,
1:02:12
Kearns: good deal.
1:02:13
Ryan: that was actually a really, it's one of my favorite Christmas moments
1:02:16
besides watching Tropic Thunder.
1:02:18
I watched Tropic Thunder on Christmas
1:02:20
Kearns: That's a cute, you know, we're a big family.
1:02:22
Um, we used to be big on going to the movies Christmas Day and stuff.
1:02:26
We might start doing that again as well.
1:02:28
'cause it's, it is fun to do that.
1:02:29
But, all right, John, I'm, I've been dying to hear about this top five list.
1:02:33
You're so proud of it.
1:02:36
You're so damn proud of it.
1:02:37
What, what did you do?
1:02:38
It's, is it gonna be.
1:02:39
Ryan: like it's,
1:02:40
Jon: What do you
1:02:41
Ryan: it's Don involved.
1:02:42
Kearns: It's gonna be top five dicks.
1:02:44
Jon: It is more Dong movies
1:02:50
and we'll,
1:02:51
Kearns: so,
1:02:51
Jon: off at number five with the only non horror movie on the list and also the
1:02:56
only non-Human Dong movie on the list.
1:02:59
It is Sasquatch Sunset,
1:03:03
Kearns: oh yeah.
1:03:04
Okay, so we're talking Harry Don.
1:03:08
Jon: you're talking Bigfoot Dong, but you're talking like this is, it's one of
1:03:13
the most bizarre movies you'll ever watch.
1:03:16
It is at times funny, poignant, absurd.
1:03:20
it's a year in the life of a Sasquatch family.
1:03:23
And everything that that entails.
1:03:26
Love, life, birth, death.
1:03:28
It's like just, it's somehow strangely powerful and meaningful without a
1:03:33
single line of dialogue, without a humans, without any of that.
1:03:38
It's like, and dongs, lots and
1:03:41
Kearns: Yeah, lots of dawn.
1:03:44
All right, well that's very in line with 28 years later.
1:03:47
'cause I would classify that as a sas.
1:03:48
Watch Dawn
1:03:50
Jon: Um,
1:03:51
Ryan: Dog.
1:03:52
Jon: the next two have a director in common.
1:03:55
We're gonna go with Frank Hen Lauder at number four is Bad Biology
1:04:04
Kearns: Bad Biology.
1:04:06
Jon: So,
1:04:07
Ryan: I've heard rums.
1:04:08
Jon: boy, it's a
1:04:10
Ryan: I've heard rums.
1:04:10
Jon: It's
1:04:11
Kearns: I bet you heard rumbling.
1:04:12
Jon: two sexually unique people stumble through unfulfilling sexual
1:04:16
relationships until they cross paths.
1:04:20
She's an insatiable.
1:04:22
And he has a drug addicted, sentient detachable dong.
1:04:28
Ryan: Nice.
1:04:30
Played by Andrew.
1:04:32
Jon: No.
1:04:32
Played, played by
1:04:34
Ryan: No, I know.
1:04:35
Jon: Played by a dong.
1:04:38
Mm-hmm.
1:04:40
It, um, it, it embarks on its own reign of terror.
1:04:46
Kearns: That sounds like a good choice of words.
1:04:49
Little golden shower reference too.
1:04:51
Jon: Yeah.
1:04:52
I didn't even
1:04:52
Kearns: R Kelly did the music score.
1:04:57
Jon: So my number three is also Frank Hen Lauder.
1:05:01
basket case.
1:05:03
Kearns: Oh, there's a dick in basket case.
1:05:06
Ryan: was there a dog?
1:05:07
Kearns: it a, is it a basket case, Dick?
1:05:09
Jon: Dwayne running through the streets of New York with his doner
1:05:12
Kearns: Oh, let's,
1:05:15
Ryan: I don't remember that scene.
1:05:16
I saw the sci-fi version.
1:05:18
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:05:19
Dwayne and his formerly conjoined, murderous brother Bilal head to
1:05:24
New York City to seek some revenge against the doctors who separated
1:05:29
them and left Bilal to die.
1:05:32
Bilal was not supposed to live,
1:05:34
Kearns: yeah, he was supposed to die.
1:05:36
Jon: eh,
1:05:37
Kearns: case that uh, actually, I don't know.
1:05:39
I watched it when I was very young.
1:05:40
As I've said many times on this podcast, that was one of the movies when I
1:05:43
snuck into my mom's room 'cause I was scared from another horror movie.
1:05:46
Basket case was on.
1:05:47
We would just leave HBO on at night.
1:05:49
I would just watch those movies.
1:05:51
Basket case was a freaky one.
1:05:52
Jon: love basket case
1:05:53
Ryan: it was,
1:05:55
Kearns: He's pervy too.
1:05:56
That little, little conjoined twin
1:05:59
Jon: Mm-hmm.
1:06:01
Bilal is a menace.
1:06:04
Kearns: Yes, he is.
1:06:04
That's part of what makes the movies fun.
1:06:07
He is a menace.
1:06:08
Jon: Yep.
1:06:10
Um,
1:06:10
Kearns: Number two.
1:06:11
Jon: is, I guess technically not horror.
1:06:13
Also I, but it's greasy.
1:06:18
Because number two is the greasy strangler.
1:06:21
Kearns: Okay.
1:06:22
Ryan: Okay.
1:06:23
Kearns: That makes me feel a little bit better about you
1:06:24
using the damn adjective greasy.
1:06:29
Ugh.
1:06:29
Ryan: Greasy.
1:06:30
Jon: Have you guys seen greasy strangler?
1:06:33
Kearns: No.
1:06:33
Ryan: I've never even heard
1:06:34
Kearns: No, I have not seen it.
1:06:36
Look at you.
1:06:36
How do you seem surprised by this?
1:06:38
Jon: my God.
1:06:40
Ryan: I think he's more surprised.
1:06:41
I haven't seen it.
1:06:42
I haven't even heard of it.
1:06:43
Jon: Oh my
1:06:44
Ryan: Just,
1:06:46
Jon: Okay,
1:06:48
Ryan: like, I don't know where I'm turning with it.
1:06:50
Jon: cannot tell you bullshit artists too much except bullshit
1:06:53
artists is a recurring line.
1:06:57
Greasy Strangler has as much dong as 28 years later.
1:07:03
Kearns: Really,
1:07:04
Jon: Varying
1:07:05
Kearns: a lot of Don.
1:07:06
Ryan: the people.
1:07:08
Kearns: Varyings
1:07:09
Ryan: people.
1:07:09
Jon: have a, we have a micro dong and a massive dong.
1:07:14
Kearns: such as life.
1:07:16
Jon: Rudy Tootie, disco cutie.
1:07:21
Kearns: What?
1:07:21
What?
1:07:21
Jon: Guys, I'm
1:07:22
Kearns: What's number one?
1:07:23
You psycho.
1:07:24
Jon: on, let me, let me tell you a little bit about Greasy Strangler.
1:07:27
So father and son, Ronnie and Braden run
1:07:30
Kearns: I hate this.
1:07:30
Jon: walking tour
1:07:32
Kearns: Uh,
1:07:33
Jon: they, when
1:07:33
Ryan: Okay.
1:07:34
Jon: when they meet a woman that they both fall in love with and it turns
1:07:38
into a competition for infection.
1:07:41
All the while
1:07:42
Kearns: you
1:07:42
Jon: a grease covered serial killer stalking the streets.
1:07:46
It
1:07:47
Kearns: can't catch me.
1:07:48
Jon: it is amazing.
1:07:51
And just, just for that, the greasy stranglers going on the calendar.
1:07:58
Kearns: It's greased up.
1:07:58
Deaf guy.
1:08:00
Yeah, it's gonna have to
1:08:01
Ryan: he, is he, please tell me he's deaf.
1:08:03
Kearns: creeped up.
1:08:04
Deaf guy.
1:08:05
Ryan: you can't, you can't catch me anymore.
1:08:07
Jon: no, no.
1:08:09
Oh my God.
1:08:10
I can't believe you guys haven't seen Greasy Strangler.
1:08:13
Kearns: No,
1:08:14
Jon: Oh
1:08:14
Kearns: no.
1:08:14
Everything I just learned about it.
1:08:16
I also did that against my will.
1:08:18
I just want you to know that
1:08:19
Ryan: I'm, I need that.
1:08:21
Well, we need that on the list soon, but I'm curious.
1:08:24
I have a guess for your number one.
1:08:26
Jon: Okay.
1:08:26
Gimme your
1:08:26
Ryan: You haven't mentioned it,
1:08:28
Kearns: Ryan, I, I so teed up for jokes
1:08:31
Jon: Nope,
1:08:31
Kearns: right now because of, like, you, you have a Dick movie that you
1:08:35
know is gonna be his number one.
1:08:37
Ryan: Well, it's, well, okay, so real quick story.
1:08:40
Jon: I've
1:08:40
Ryan: was watch, well I was watching Ghost Story with my uncle and
1:08:45
they thought they had like the, the one that was made for tv.
1:08:49
So there's this one scene where the guy gets pushed down, it's just flying
1:08:52
in the air and freaked out 'cause they didn't know it was in there.
1:08:56
They were like, we thought it was the TV one.
1:08:57
And I was like, you guessed wrong 'cause we just saw a dick on the
1:09:01
screen just fly down from the air.
1:09:03
But I just, I had a guess 'cause I was like, you didn't mention Ghost Story and
1:09:07
that's like, that's criminal in the scene.
1:09:09
'cause that's what gets the story going.
1:09:11
Jon: It's
1:09:12
Kearns: Yeah.
1:09:12
Jon: classy for this list, sir. My number
1:09:16
Kearns: All right.
1:09:18
Jon: is rare exports and all of the Santa Elf dick
1:09:23
Kearns: I don't, I've never seen that either.
1:09:25
Jon: that's on, that's on the calendar for Christmas time, that's definitely
1:09:29
Ryan: Uh,
1:09:29
Kearns: Alright.
1:09:30
Ryan: our Christmas
1:09:30
Kearns: You sure?
1:09:31
We, we can slot it in between Schindler's List and, and Dark Man.
1:09:35
Ryan: It's not that hard to slide in.
1:09:37
It's okay.
1:09:38
Kearns: Aw.
1:09:39
Jon: in rare exports, an archeological team unearths a horrific version of Santa,
1:09:45
who first kills off all the reindeer that the locals rely on for food and income.
1:09:50
And then it moves on to kidnapping the town's children and it falls on
1:09:55
Ryan: Okay.
1:09:56
Jon: Ari, his father, and two other men to rescue the kids and stop murderous
1:10:01
Santa and his all nude, all old men elves.
1:10:09
Kearns: We could talk about this topic for like a full episode, so we could
1:10:12
go into the, um, this is the end where they use the giant dicks for comedy.
1:10:17
They can go into like Renaissance paintings where they use the
1:10:20
giant PHUs to, to glorify people on demons and stuff like that.
1:10:25
Jon: just, in like 15 minutes, I,
1:10:28
Kearns: the Dick.
1:10:28
Jon: I brainstormed seven or eight movies and I had to,
1:10:34
Kearns: I wonder if
1:10:35
Jon: to
1:10:35
Kearns: gonna limit our ship because we talk about Dick so much, but at this point
1:10:41
Ryan: Nah,
1:10:41
Kearns: nothing new about it.
1:10:43
Ryan: it's rated R. It's okay.
1:10:45
Kearns: Yep.
1:10:46
So that's 28 years later and that's the top fives that.
1:10:49
Um, I wish I could wash outta my ears,
1:10:53
but yeah guys, I hope you enjoyed this episode.
1:10:55
Um, we're getting back to our normal rotation after this.
1:10:58
We sort of decided last minute we were gonna make this happen
1:11:02
and do 28 years after 28 weeks.
1:11:04
And I'm glad we did to be honest with you.
1:11:05
So you'll be seeing this about six days from when we're recording it.
1:11:09
Hopefully you had time to watch the movie.
1:11:11
If you didn't, um, go fuck yourself.
1:11:14
Alright.
1:11:14
Uh
1:11:15
Ryan: watch the movie.
1:11:16
Kearns: oh yeah, that too.
1:11:17
Sorry.
1:11:17
No, we love you guys.
1:11:18
Don't go fuck yourself.
1:11:19
But yeah, have a great time and yeah, we're outta here.
1:11:22
Jon: Don
1:11:23
Ryan: a good one, guys.
1:11:24
Jon: see.