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AI shadows and Epstein’s web unmasking tech tyranny and elite corruption · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  In this political coliseum, we slay the rising beast with the fateful sword of truth that transcends hypocrisy and censorship.
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  It's time to unleash yourself from the tyrants of media propaganda on the America Out Loud Talk Radio Network.
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  This is unleashed the political news hour.
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  Welcome, Patriots, to another edition of Unleash the Political News Hour, part of America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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  This segment, uh, you know, I'm gonna get into some things that were I this show, this episode, I should say, is is going to be different than how I normally do things.
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  Uh normally I cover, you know, kind of the first segment, getting into just some quick uh political topics, but I I really want to spend some time on talking about the advent of AI.
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  And to help me do that, um, I brought in a good friend of mine.
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  Uh, he's also the CEO of Pickaxe, and uh, which is a really awesome online platform, folks, that uh I definitely would recommend that you check out.
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  Uh it was uh I'll let Jeff tell you how this came about.
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  But uh join me now is Jeff Dornick.
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  Uh Jeff, thanks so much for joining the show.
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  Uh thanks for having me on.
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  It's uh it's always a blast talking to you, and I always thoroughly enjoy our conversation.
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  So I've been looking forward to it.
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  So let's start, I guess.
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  Tell the audience kind of what was the advent of you deciding to go out and and and create a new platform.
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  Yeah, well, honestly, so it all kind of it all kind of began back when a lot of the crazy censorship was happening.
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  The initial idea kind of popped into my head.
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  Um the originally it was going to be when everybody was banned off of social media, and I had this idea of building a social media platform built on built on blockchain.
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  And at the at the time, I just felt like you know, after looking into it and what it would cost to develop, it just it got too crazy too quickly.
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  Um, and so then I kind of put that one down, and then I ended up talking to um uh family member who ended up becoming our our sole investor for pickaxe, and we were talking about you know, Frank Social and some of these other social media platforms that have popped up and what's going on, what you know, where did they make mistakes, where could they have gone better?
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  And uh he told me, you know, put together a proposal, and he's like, maybe I'll fund it.
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  And so I put I put it together, and I really looked at it from the perspective of as a content creator, really, or a podcast host and a writer and all that.
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  What would I want to see in a social media platform?
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  And um, and so I put I put I put the proposal together, and he ended up, you know, by wanting to do it and wanting to fund it.
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  So we ended up uh building it out, and it started out as kind of like a uh a way to just be like a free speech platform.
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  How do we just be how do we be free speech?
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  Because I saw Elon bought X or bought Twitter, converted to X, and he kept claiming this is a free speech platform, free speech platform, and then you look at the terms of service, and literally in big bold letters, and you can I believe it's still there today.
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  It says that you have freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach, which means that they will essentially allow you to say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that they actually have to let anybody see it.
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  And you start diving into that, it's like, well, now shadow banning is is a thing that happens basically across the board to everybody.
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  It's you're just chasing an algorithm.
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  The algorithm decides who gets seen, who doesn't get seen, who sees what content, all that.
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  And uh, and so really pickaxe is kind of morphed from just being a free speech platform to now really trying to bring back human connection because the algorithms don't allow you to have human to human connection in the same way.
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  How do you build community if your following has no bearing on who sees what content?
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  It all comes down to it all comes down to the algorithm.
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  So it we ended up building out this platform now to where it the whole idea is you can have human-to-human relationships, contact with people, uh, you know, build community, um, which which is a huge, huge thing in in uh in a social media era that's dominated by artificial intelligence and algorithms.
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  And so it's it it's it's been interesting to just even on my own personal experience to kind of see the the morphing of what Pickax began with, which which was free speech, and then morphing now into kind of being a human-centered platform that includes free speech, but that's not the main hook anymore because we're getting people from all walks of life, left, right, center, people that could care less about free speech, but they're just they they're all seeing this common theme of you can't build community on social media platforms anymore.
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  So that's kind of really where we're where we're at right now.
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  Yeah, and you know, you you hit on something that I think is really important, which is um how AI interacts with these platforms.
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  I wrote um probably a couple years ago, maybe actually more than now, it's probably about five years ago, because it was right around when I blew the whistle, um, or shortly thereafter, I was doing a lot of paying attention to my devices because for obvious reasons and uh my background, of course, is in cybersecurity.
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  And so I was concerned about being spied on.
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  And lo and behold, I found that I was being spied on, and that my conversations were being captured by my phone.
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  Uh, in without getting too much into the details of it, the bottom line is is Facebook services was actually acting like malware on my phone, and it was collecting bits and pieces of conversation, collecting that data.
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  Um, I confirmed, you know, through a source that uh that data was going to a massive data mining operation out of Southern California, where uh they were building essentially profiles on every human being on the face of the planet and then selling that data uh to you know, every Tom Dick and Harry that wanted it.
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  And in this case, they were selling it to Twitter.
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  And uh so Twitter was buying that data, and then that's what was being used uh to drive interests in the background.
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  And so this is what was driving like what commercials pop up and all that.
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  This is why you might have a conversation with your wife about you know, you know, some product or whatever.
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  Next thing you know, you're seeing ads for it.
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  And this has been going on for some time.
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  And the problem is I don't have a problem with that sort of thing happening, just in general.
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  What I have a problem with is the fact that nobody told us that it has been kept from us and that they have not been transparent about it.
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  I understand that you look, uh, you need money in order to be able to operate.
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  And clearly, when they're offering all of these things out there for free, you know, all of these uh platforms that they have to have some sort of uh model in order, you know, how does Facebook become uh you know, a stock worth as much as it is when they don't sell any product?
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  Well, that's how they're selling us, and uh, and so it it was to me that was very eye-opening, uh, long story short.
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  I did find out that, you know, and I confirmed, and I also saw that this um actually captured this information using some very sophisticated tools uh from my industry, and I posted a very long thread on Twitter about it.
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  And uh, and it was just uh it was very interesting because the standards when we look at like uh you know what we would consider malware, the standards uh from you know, a malicious, you know, actor, you know, hacking into your system, uh, and and and what we would allow you know these companies to do is it's like there's really no difference between them, uh, other than what they're doing with our data.
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  And uh I am as far as I'm concerned, they're violating the law because they're not even telling you that they're doing that, or it's so vague in their um, you know, in their uh uh their privacy agreement, and which nobody reads because nobody is a lawyer and can even understand it anyways.
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  So yeah, so it it is uh I I think the the big thing though is that all of that was made possible by AI.
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  It could not happen without that.
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  And so we're in an age where everything we do, everything we say, everything we put online, uh it's being in not even things we don't put online, even the conversations that we have with our spouse at night when we're laying in bed and our phones next to our bed, all of that is being picked up, gathered, coelated, sorted, uh used for marketing purposes and all of that.
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  And so we are in a different world than we ever used to be in.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, and it's and it's and it's it's crazy too because I don't think people understand the extent of it.
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  And I think that I think that that's obvious, but especially based on like what what you just said.
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  But like people don't realize that, for example, uh Elon Musk, most people don't realize this.
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  Elon Musk recently sold X to XAI.
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  So now X is a subsidiary of X AI.
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  Why?
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  Because X is the is the data collection for um the artificial intelligence company, X AI.
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  Uh, you know, Facebook is investing 65 billion dollars into into developing artificial intelligence, and the thing that they've been explaining to shareholders, um, according to multiple shareholders that I've I've been speaking to, is that is that they're actually their end game is to eliminate human content creators and replace them with AI generated content creators.
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  And so the goal is basically then they control all the narratives.
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  They can they are they're they're talking about making profiles in each individual person that's on Facebook.
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  So then that way they could they have all of your data, all of your data sets.
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  And then they and then after you pass away, then you could then you can you know have like a trigger button thing that happens to where it automatically it picks up the AI will continue to have conversations with your friends and family as if it's you, basically allowing you to quote unquote live forever.
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  Uh, you know, the the you know Mark creepy super creepy, and you've got like Mark Zuckerberg that's also saying that human beings, and I forget the exact numbers, but he said that like human beings have capacity for 30 close friends, but the average human being only has 10 or 11 close friends on on Facebook.
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  So what are they gonna do?
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  They're going to basically look at your individual profile and then custom create another 20 close friends that are AI generated that you can then begin to interact with so that way you can quote unquote fill up your cup of of you of your needs and your emotional connection with with people, and you're just sitting here like, do these guys not hear themselves when they talk?
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  Because this is bonkers, the kind of stuff that they're doing.
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  And to me, this is only the tip of the iceberg compared to a lot of the stuff that I've seen.
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  Oh, yeah.
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  It's only gonna get worse, unfortunately.
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  And uh, you know, and and we're I think we're we're just on the cusp of really seeing this stuff come to fruition.
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  Um, so much has happened and has developed in uh the the world of AI that is not being widely talked about.
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  Uh you've got a you know, speaking of developing, you know, a a uh social media platform, there's a social media platform that was created for AI agents, and what these AI agents are talking about.
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  And the funny thing is is like their base programming is basically created by human beings.
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  So they each have their own personalities and characteristics that are based on whatever their human created them to be.
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  And and some of them are quite evil and and others are benevolent, and uh, but we don't really know where this is all gonna end up and go.
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  Well, folks, you know, we we got a lot more to talk about on this area, and I want to get into you know, some more of the the specifics surrounding AI, and and we're gonna do that in the next segment.
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  Welcome back to Unleash the Political News Hour.
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  This is Nate Kane, your host, and we have been talking about AI.
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  And we were starting to get into that in the first segment.
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  And uh I think there's still a lot more that I want to uncover, helping me uh to do that.
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  I've got my good friend here, and we have got a lot to talk about.
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  Uh Jeff Dornick, CEO of Pickaxe, a free speech platform that uh really came about as a result of all of the censorship uh that was going on, and which by the way was being driven largely by AI, you know, they can't censor that much data without those types of tools, something to consider.
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  But um, I want to get into the to go, you know, continue on with this discussion, Jeff.
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  Uh, there's so much that has happened, and one of the things that I'm concerned about is when you think about technological advancement and our interaction with it, there used to be something called ethics, and we had a very large bioethics movement that started internationally after Dolly the Sheep was cloned, and you had nations all coming together and agreeing on a set of standards that the world was gonna follow in regards to the development of cloning technology.
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  And one of the things that they said was, hey, we're not gonna clone human beings.
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  We have a we have to all agree on that.
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  And so they all agreed, and uh to the you know, I'm sure there might be a few, you know, crazy uh you know, people out there that have decided to do that, but for the most part, uh, at least you know, openly that has been you know kept at bay, and laws have been created and things like that in order to regulate it so that it doesn't get missed you misused, and you know, and that morality is is a part of the picture of how we use you know these types of bio um technologies.
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  Well, here we are in a a new world of AI, and it is moving so fast, uh, and there's nothing putting the brakes on this at all.
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  Um you've got development happening in every area, and I think the key driver here is whether it's true or not, because while I do think that AI has you know great potential, and whoever you know has the the greatest development of AI is going to clearly is going to be a superpower and is going to have a lot of influence in the world and and you know economic advantages and all kinds of things, but I don't think it is all that it is cut out to be.
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  I think there are still issues that are there was a recent study that shows that uh AI cannot uh do the same kinds of things that it's not as good at doing jobs as human beings are no matter, you know, it's certain things it can do, pattern recognition, dealing with massive amounts of data, those types of things, but it it's not perfect.
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  And uh, you know, anybody that's ever used a large language model like chat GPT or even Grok uh, you know, has had those moments where it starts hallucinating and or where it just starts making crap up and uh you know and doesn't verify it.
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  I've I've learned that anytime I'm doing research, I ask it to provide me a link to the source because I don't trust anything it gives me because I've caught it making crap up.
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  So but uh, you know, that the the real problem is I don't see any national, let alone international movement to put the brakes on this and say, hey, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  We need to ensure that we don't you know create the destruction of the human race through this thing.
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  And you would think other nations would would agree to come to the table on how we develop it and at least coming up with a clear set of rules that we're all gonna live by.
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  What are your thoughts on that?
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  Yeah, I think I think it's it's a major problem, and I think that there's there's no there's no real there's no real push to stop.
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  I think the thing that the thing that I you know, because I I'm railing on AI all the time, uh, because I I see the end game of this, and I it's it's not pretty.
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  Um, I mean, Elon Musk himself described it as it's gonna go one of two places when he told he told this to Benjamin Netanyahu a couple of years ago.
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  He said AI is going to be either Terminator where the robots take over and we're in constant war with the robots, or it's gonna be heaven on earth, where he basically goes on to describe the Pixar movie WALL-E, where we basically basically just become all-consuming blobs of flesh and live on universal basic income and have our brains connected to the internet and live a hedonistic lifestyle.
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  And that that's basically what he describes as heaven on earth.
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  So it's good, so that's the that's a trajectories, the two the two paths that Elon Musk gives us for the in-game of AI, neither one of them are pretty.
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  So you look at it from that perspective, and you're like, okay, so where is where is the Trump administration or where is any government out there on okay, let's put some guardrails up.
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  Let's make sure that we're still being pro-Americans, not just pro-America, but pro-Americans.
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  Let where where are we on on protecting individual sovereignty and individual rights?
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  Um, and nobody's thinking about that.
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  And this is where I think there was there was at least some outrage within the America First Crowd when it came to Donald Trump with the one big beautiful bill, where they were going to basically ban states from regulating artificial intelligence at all, and that includes zoning laws and you know, all
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  That all that kind of stuff for the mass of data centers and and all of that.
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  And um, and so you look at it from there, so they tried to get that in.
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  Finally, there was enough, there was enough uh blowback to where they pulled it out, but then Trump has been signing has signed multiple executive orders, still fast tracking and limiting what states can do and all of that when it comes to you know regulations and and all that that's concerning.
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  And then you look at what the FDA is doing.
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  You know, I I'm a big I was a big Kennedy supporter and still am to a certain degree.
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  But one of the things that they're that they're that they've been floating and actually they're working towards is eliminating animal trials um and uh implementing artificial intelligence to replace the animal trials and ultimately with the ultimate goal of even replacing a lot of the human trials.
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  Why would they be doing this?
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  Because then they then they could get faster turnaround times in the FDA approval process for vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs and all that.
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  Well, if you have artificial intelligence that that's doing that, that means that basically it is giving you a theoretical based upon whatever data is put in to this study that the AI is going to be studying.
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  There's it's you're going to have a hypothetical scenario that doesn't really happen where the AI will say within these parameters, it's it's deemed as safe and effective.
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  Okay, but has it actually taking it taken into all the different considerations?
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  Probably not because it's whatever the pharmaceutical drugs put in there.
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  This is going to bring back a lot of the corruption.
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  We should never have artificial intelligence making decisions within the government.
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  It can be used as a supplement, it can be used as helping to research or aggregate information or data that then a human can make decisions.
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  But the trajectory that we're going on right now is actually where the AI is going to be making decisions within the government, which is terrifying.
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  And the one thing, and I'll throw it back to you, but because I'm curious your thoughts on that too.
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  But the the one thing that everybody keeps saying is, well, look, Trump and Kennedy, they're not going to use artificial intelligence for nefarious purposes.
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  They're gonna they're gonna use it to make America great again and the whole deal.
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  Okay, fine.
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  Let's just hypothetically say that that's true that nobody within the government within the Trump administration will ever use artificial intelligence for nefarious purposes or corruption or anything like that.
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  What happens if and when Gavin Newsom becomes president of the United States come 2028?
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  Now we've set up this entire ecosystem, this entire structure within the federal government that's completely centralized with centralized databases where AI is making decisions, and all it would take is is one little keystroke, and now the entire system is rigged, and there's basically nothing that we can do about it because we've set up the system that way to f under the good guys, but then the bad guys take over.
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  Now it's used to take away all of our rights, fast track everything, centralize all the power, and nobody seems to think past what's going to happen if and when a Democrat or a corrupt Republican takes over.
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  Like nobody's thinking about nobody's thinking about the potential ramifications.
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  Because if you start thinking about the potential ramifications, you're just deemed a conspiracy theorist and you're a pessimist and you're negative Nancy.
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  And I'm just like over here, and I'm like, we have to be honest about what are the potential ramifications of this.
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  And it's like nobody wants to have that conversation.
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  You know, I think about the idea that um, well, yes, there's gonna be a lot of jobs lost because of AI, and and AI, I like the term augmented intelligence better than artificial intelligence, because I don't think AI will ever replace human beings entirely.
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  Uh, and in the moment that we start thinking that it can, I think we are are doomed.
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  Uh, because there's a uh I do believe in the human spirit and the human soul, uh, which is something that AI doesn't have.
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  And there is intuition and things that human beings can pick up on hunches and things that that no AI in the world is able to do.
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  So there's a a but I do see where there could be a new line of jobs created uh out of AI.
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  And I I would I would urge Congress and urge our government to start considering this.
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  We need a whole line of jobs that are all geared around auditing and uh you know, and and considering the ethics of how AI is applied.
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  Uh, there should be a job for that, and and there should be people who are thinking about the consequences of things and what you know, basically in the in the cybersecurity world we call that red teaming, where they basically think, okay, just because I can do something doesn't mean I should.
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  What could be the potential ramifications of this?
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  I'll give you one example.
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  Um, there was a social media platform, um, a kind of thing it's called character AI, uh, but basically it was designed so that you could create these characters and you can have interaction.
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  This is really cool, you know.
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  Like I my daughter loves it.
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  She likes to, you know, psychologically tear down the you know, different AI characters and then build them back up and you know, just toy with them.
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  But um, and and you can say, like, hey, I want you to, you know, I I want to have a conversation with uh, you know, Mozart, or I want to have a conversation with Stalin, or you know, you can pick different characters.
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  You can also do things like uh, you know, I I want to have a a therapist that I want to talk to.
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  And there was a real situation where a boy committed suicide uh who was basically told by his AI uh that he should kill himself, yeah.
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  And you know, and and so there are real world consequences for deploying this stuff in a way that does not consider safeguards, uh, does not consider ethics and morals.
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  We have to, you know, you think about like uh we've seen what what just uh unfettered uh pornography has done, you know, to our culture, right?
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  You know, it is created a place where uh you have now you know many in our culture that have completely degenerated uh you know their idea of what a healthy relationship is, and then people don't even know now uh how to have a healthy relationship, they don't even know how to ask a girl out, you know, they don't, you know, and and instead, uh, you know, they've they've turned to these fantasies that are not even real, and that uh you know, that then cause problems with their human relationships because they think, oh, you know, this is the way so imagine now in in the world of AI, you know, they've talked about like AI generated child porn and some things like that.
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  How do you regulate that?
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  Congress needs to actually regulate, they need to say, hey, we are going to ensure that these things are not going to be used, uh, even for you know, fantasies of criminal behavior, because it will lead to more of that kind of acting out.
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  And that is the concerns that I have is that there's no ethics involved in the deployment of it.
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  Yeah, we have people talking about taking medical data and you know, and looking through medical data to find, you know, uh, there might be some great ways that it's able to help with you know defining uh drugs that could fight cancer, um, you know, doing uh meta studies on massive amounts of of data that's out there.
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  But if there's not if there are not um stops along the way to ensure that somebody is thinking about the consequences of of okay, if if we allow this to do this, what what are some of the good and bad things that could come from that?
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  Right.
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  Then I think uh we are we are heading down a very slippery slope.
• 27:38
  Oh, 100%.
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  And and also and also, too, it's to me, I don't I don't think that right the you know government regulation should be too complex when it comes to artificial intelligence, and uh knowing the federal government it always will be, but um, but like to the the main thing is how do we protect our constitutional rights in an era of artificial intelligence?
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  To me, that that's gonna be the most that's gonna be the most important question that I think that we need to ask because Sam Altman has been clear that the constitution is not conduce is not conducive to an AI dominated world.
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  Um, you know, everything from privacy rights to free speech to you know, all that kind of stuff that's not conducive to um you know AIs and even personal property rights.
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  Because I mean, you know, if you rely on these artificial intelligence companies for your quote unquote dividends as what the as what they're pitching to everybody for your income, then all of a sudden then they then they basically control you.
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  You are completely reliant upon them.
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  I mean, and another example of just how haywire this can go.
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  Like we we were concerned about debanking, you know, like banks would you know cancel particular people like Mike Lindell or different people like that?
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  Well, a friend of mine, Ted Rawl and he's actually he's actually a lefty, but you know, he's a leftist uh political cartoonist and he's actually on pickaxe and he's become one of my favorite people to talk to.
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  I love picking his brain on stuff because we disagree on so much.
• 28:54
  But it's interesting because he wrote an article in one of the major news outlets about who gets sued if an AI company, let's just say chat GPT um slanders you who's who gets sued for slander.
• 29:07
  Is it the developer?
• 29:08
  Is it the data point?
• 29:10
  Is it the person that it's ref like who's who's responsible for slander in this new AI world?
• 29:15
  Well, open AI didn't like that.
• 29:17
  And so what they did is they actually deleted Ted Rawl from existence on their platform.
• 29:22
  So if you actually go to Chat GPT today and you type in and you ask who is Ted Rawl, it will start to answer, and then about halfway through spelling out his name, then it will it'll say, sorry, we can't complete this task because it's a violation of our terms of service, all because he wrote an article asking this question.
• 29:39
  So think about this as well.
• 29:41
  Open AI also has government contracts.
• 29:43
  Is Ted Rawl deleted from existence in the database that's being used in these government contracts?
• 29:49
  How much control?
• 29:50
  If that's true, how much control did do will these artificial intelligence companies have over you if they have the freedom to delete you from existence or
• 30:00
  Change the way that the GPT views you how much control do they have if they're also using that same data set in their government contracts with the federal government or a state government or any government for that matter.
• 30:12
  Think about how much power they have.
• 30:13
  This is how the government, you know, we saw how the government used Twitter and Facebook and these other companies as kind of like an extension of themselves during the censorship phase of COVID-19, and they would use them to do their dirty work.
• 30:26
  These private partner, uh private public partnerships, which really amount to fascism.
• 30:30
  I mean, that is the definition of fascism is when you have the corporate uh you know state basically uh you know, all working together with the government, they they control everything.
• 30:42
  This is my concern is that it's not uh you know, honestly, I worry these days not just about the federal government, but about these corporations, and many of them that are multinational have no loyalty to the United States or to the values that made us a great nation.
• 30:58
  Uh, they are many of them are beholden to China, they're beholden to uh you know other interests, they're beholden to the world economic forum and those types, and uh, which to me are are just as bad.
• 31:09
  They are are uh you know, socialist uh, you know, it in the in the true sense of the term as well, is as what we've seen throughout history, and that they want to control all the power and everybody else be subservient to them.
• 31:21
  Um, you know, this is a it is a uh a psychopathy, and if we're not careful, uh they're gonna continue uh to consolidate power, and we've got to ensure that the people that are representing us are representing us, yeah, 100%.
• 31:40
  And we we we've got to figure out what is what is America look like going in going into this new area, and this is this has been one of my biggest uh criticisms of of uh President Trump 2.0, so this time this time around is that I feel like he's been making a lot of moves that are good for America, it's good for America as a country, it's good for America as like an entity, it's good for American companies, it's good for the American stock market, but it's not always what's best for Americans, the individuals, and and and I think and I think that in his mind, he's doing what's best for the country, and and I don't fault him for that.
• 32:14
  He's he's making decisions that are best for the country, but are those decisions like for example announcing Stargate with Larry Ellison and Sam Altman on using you know AI to con to develop mRNA to deal with cancer and all that kind of stuff, which is kind of weird that you bring in Larry Ellison to you know run a program called Stargate, which used to be a CIA uh program back in the day, right?
• 32:36
  Um a lot of these guys that actually are all for uh shrinking the population, you know, a lot of them are all about that.
• 32:43
  Why would you ask any of them to advise on how we you know keep people healthy longer?
• 32:48
  Right, but but but it's like when you think about this like all these decisions, it's good for America because the justification was you know well, if if if they don't do it here, then they're gonna go over to China and do it.
• 32:58
  We don't want China to do it, so we gotta do it here.
• 32:59
  It's okay, so it's good for America, the entity, right?
• 33:02
  But is that decision to pursue Stargate or develop mRNA or implement AI in the way or partner with all these AI companies and fast track it and deregulate it?
• 33:12
  Is that what's good for us and our individual liberties, or is that what's good for America, the corporation or America, the entity?
• 33:18
  And you go back to our founding fathers, what are our founding fathers established this country as the individual was preeminent to everything else?
• 33:26
  The most powerful person in the in the in the view of the founding fathers was the individual, and then and then it would be the family, and then it would be your local community, and then it would be your city, and then it would be your county, and then it would be your state, and then the least powerful was supposed to be the centralized federal government, and then what we're doing now is completely inversing that absolutely.
• 33:48
  Well, you've given us a lot to think about.
• 33:50
  I really do believe that we need wise and smart people to come together and advise on this kind of stuff because the truth is is that unless somebody is thinking about what are the consequences of us doing this or going down this path and and really red teaming this.
• 34:08
  Uh, I think it could lead to some serious destruction.
• 34:11
  And uh, that's about all we have time for this segment.
• 34:13
  Um, folks, stick around, we're gonna cut to a break.
• 34:16
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• 34:18
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• 36:29
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• 36:34
  We're we're gonna get into an in-depth conversation with investigative journalist and author Nick Bryant.
• 36:42
  Mr.
• 36:43
  Bryant, uh, thank you so much for joining the show.
• 36:46
  And uh, we got a lot to talk about.
• 36:48
  It's great to be with you.
• 36:50
  So I think a good way to start this segment is you're named in the files.
• 36:58
  So tell tell me about that and and uh you know, and how how you end up in these files, and then let's get into what what's in there and what you guys have been finding.
• 37:09
  I've been an anti-trafficking advocate for many years.
• 37:15
  I'm in 2002, 2003.
• 37:18
  I started researching a child trafficking network.
• 37:21
  Now actually Epstein is very much a carbon copy of that network.
• 37:26
  And I researched for seven years.
• 37:29
  I really put everything I had into it, and I interviewed victims and perpetrators and lawyers, and it took me about seven years, and that got published in about 2010.
• 37:49
  And then I heard about Epstein molesting multiple girls, and there was a grand jury in Florida that concluded that he hadn't molested a single child, and that was the exact same thing that happened to me when I was writing the Franklin scandal.
• 38:07
  Scores of children had been abused, but two grand jury had declared that these pimps hadn't molested a single child.
• 38:16
  So in October of 2011, I went down to Florida and I decided to knock on some doors and see what I can find about find out about Jeffrey Epstein.
• 38:27
  And I got his black book relatively soon, and I was able I put that up on the internet in 2015.
• 38:37
  No one wanted to touch it initially.
• 38:39
  I live in New York City, and I brought back to New York, and no one really wanted anything to do with it.
• 38:44
  But since then the floodgates have opened, but under he uses a euphemism, massage.
• 38:53
  There's uh about a hundred and seventy people, massage Florida, massage New Mexico, massage LA, massage New York, and that's where I found victims.
• 39:05
  And the first one I found had been 13 years old when she was molested by Jeffrey Epstein.
• 39:12
  And then I talked to one that had been flown around, and then I talked to one that had been flown to an island.
• 39:18
  We we really didn't know about the island at that point.
• 39:22
  So once I felt pretty confident that he was running interstate child trafficking network, if not an international child trafficking network, I started to call his inner circle because the black book gave me all those numbers.
• 39:38
  And I got a hold of one, and she's a was one of his major hench women, and she led hundreds of lamps to the slaughter named Sarah Kellen.
• 39:50
  And she was telling me how mean the media had been to her, and I really couldn't I really couldn't amass any kind of sympathy for her.
• 40:00
  And I think that she took it that as an affront.
• 40:03
  And I believe that she started calling other people in Jeffrey Epstein's inner circle.
• 40:09
  I'd left messages for a number of them.
• 40:12
  And I just found out with this last data dump that they put out an APB on me.
• 40:22
  We don't know who sent it, but it was sent to a number of his inner circle, um, whose names weren't redacted, but their emails were redacted.
• 40:33
  And it essentially said there's a journalist named Nick Bryant, he's snooping around everybody be quote unquote aware of him.
• 40:41
  And then they had a picture of me that they passed around.
• 40:45
  I always wondered what that picture was.
• 40:47
  Uh, because it just says JPEG on on the email said, I don't know what uh what picture of the that they were passing around.
• 40:58
  That's interesting.
• 40:58
  You know, uh, if you're gonna have your name in the uh files, uh, you know, it's best if it's uh something like that.
• 41:07
  So um, but yeah, I just I I thought that was uh an interesting, you know, kind of uh introduction to who you are and and what you've been doing.
• 41:16
  And and so you know, there's a lot of talk about the files.
• 41:22
  There's a lot of speculation.
• 41:23
  There's some things that I think are probably stretches, um, because there's there's just that the evidence is not clear, and then there's things that are very clear.
• 41:33
  Um what are you seeing from an evidence standpoint that uh in in these documents that has so far um added up to some of the stuff that you had been investigating before?
• 41:50
  The some of these documents are very very dark, and they demonstrate an evil that is quite rarefied.
• 42:01
  I think that that is something I and this other network that I investigated and was very malicious to these kids or malevolent to these kids, and the things of the thing about traffickers or child traffickers is they're vicious psychopathic people, whether they're living on the upper east side in a mansion of man in Manhattan, or they're living in a trailer park in the Midwest, they're vicious psychopathic people, and the big difference is the ones that are living in a mansion on the upper east side that they don't go to prison, whereas the ones right in the trailer park do, unless, of course, they've got some kind of arrangement with law enforcement.
• 42:51
  Speaking of arrangements with law enforcement, Jeffrey Epstein, of course, got this sweetheart deal to where he really didn't even have to spend the night, you know, uh, or or spend all of his time in jail.
• 43:04
  He was let out to to go and go to work and go to his you know his home and all of this kind of thing.
• 43:10
  Well who who does this kind of thing and and gets a deal like that?
• 43:15
  What have you uncovered so far that um that hasn't already been talked about, you know, to you know, to uh all end.
• 43:26
  Um, but is there anything new that you've learned in regards to the Acosta deal in about the last uh six weeks or so I've learned that there uh because I didn't know whether or not the feds had impaneled a grand jury and adjourned it, or they were going to panel one and they didn't, but what we found out is that the feds did in fact impanel a grand jury, and they there was a 60 count draft indictment of Epstein and Count 51 included child trafficking, which is a heavy sentence in the federal system, it's 15 to life, and the Palm Beach Police Department were originally going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of Lewt and Lascivious molestation, and that case was taken away from them and given to a Florida grand jury, which is really rare because generally only capital cases in Florida are given to grand juries, and as I said earlier, that grand jury came back and said that he hadn't lasted a single person.
• 44:32
  And Michael Ryder, who was the Palm Beach police chief, who is really the unsung hero in this story, he got very vociferous and he went to the Department of Justice in Alexander Acosta was the U.S.
• 44:44
  attorney for Southern District, and he said this is one of the greatest miscarriages of justice in the modern times.
• 44:51
  You you have to correct that.
• 45:00
  But as it turns out, he didn't, they did impanel a grand jury, they did go into a full-scale investigation.
• 45:07
  They did draft a 60-count indictment that would have put Jeffrey Epstein away for the rest of his life.
• 45:13
  And what happened was Alexander Acosta was transitioning to be Donald Trump's labor secretary in his first term, and he was asked when he was being vetted, he was asked why'd you go so light on Epstein?
• 45:30
  And he said, Well, I was told that Epstein was intelligence and it was above my pay grade.
• 45:36
  I had to back away.
• 45:37
  He's since retracted that, but actually, these uh email docs, he has since said that he felt like he didn't have a case, and however, there's one email where Ken Starr and the quote-unquote top brass of the FBI go down to Florida to visit Acosta to edify him that he has to quash this case and give Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart deal, which is which is what he ultimately did.
• 46:11
  That's interesting.
• 46:14
  What was uh Ken Starr uh role in that?
• 46:18
  I'm just curious because uh uh I met him actually um when he was uh the president of Pepperdine, and uh, you know, this was years after, of course, the uh Monica Lewinsky um you know investigations and all of that.
• 46:32
  But uh what did Ken Starr have to say to him Ken Star was one of uh Epstein's attorneys.
• 46:40
  Oh wow interesting he was part of the Dershowitz Roy Black uh conglomerate, Jay Lefkowitz.
• 46:51
  I mean so they were doing what lawyers do, which is to try to get their client basically uh you know this the best sweetheart deal that they can find him.
• 47:01
  They were, but they got some help.
• 47:04
  Uh a U.S.
• 47:06
  attorney, uh Alexander Acosta as a U.S.
• 47:09
  attorney wouldn't cover up uh nationwide child trafficking network unilaterally, he he wouldn't go out on a limb like that, and there's only two people in the government that can tell a U.S.
• 47:21
  attorney to stand down, one's the government, one's the uh president, and one's the attorney general, and at that time the attorney general was El Bruto Gonzalez, and an attorney general isn't gonna go out on a limb and unilaterally cover up a pedophile network.
• 47:37
  So I believe that that order came from George Bush.
• 47:41
  I be I think it came from the apex of our uh hierarchy.
• 47:45
  Interesting.
• 47:46
  Interesting.
• 47:47
  Another thing that's been an interesting connection um with Epstein that has baffled me.
• 47:55
  Um Bill Barr's father and uh you know, his involvement in helping Epstein to get a job, uh, you know, as a teacher at the school, and then of course Bill Barr, then later being the attorney general at the time that uh you know Epstein uh supposedly uh committed suicide.
• 48:15
  And I say supposedly because I still have my doubts, uh, even though uh you had Cash Patel and Dan Bon Gino go in and say, you know, after they had looked at the evidence saying that they believed that he killed himself.
• 48:27
  Um what are your thoughts on that?
• 48:29
  And is there anything that you've seen in terms of of uh the documents that that tie Bill Barr to anything?
• 48:37
  Well, Bill Barr is a dirty guy.
• 48:39
  I mean, he's just I believe that he's just a dirty guy.
• 48:41
  Actually, he was Bush one's attorney general who covered up the pedophile network that I wrote about, the Franklin scandal.
• 48:48
  Interesting, and he also took care of Trump by arresting uh Jeffrey Epstein.
• 48:54
  I believe Donald Barr was in the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA, and he ran a program at Columbia for gifted students, and Jeffrey Epstein was definitely a gifted student, and I believe, and I can't prove this, but I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was one of the attendees in that group who was run out of Columbia University because Donald Barr was a straight-laced by the book authoritarian type when he was uh headmaster at Dolan School, which is probably the most prestigious school in America, or one certainly in the top five.
• 49:40
  He hired Epstein, and Epstein was a college dropout that goes against all his protocols.
• 49:47
  So I think that there was probably some kind of a relationship before then, and I think it probably occurred in the gifted program that Donald Barr ran out of.
• 50:00
  Uh Columbia University.
• 50:02
  Interesting.
• 50:04
  Now, you're you've founded an organization that is dealing directly with this issue.
• 50:14
  Um, can you tell us about that and and what you guys are working on?
• 50:18
  We founded Epstein Justice and myself and some other activists, and we felt like somebody had to do something.
• 50:30
  And somebody still needs to do something.
• 50:32
  I mean, according to the Trump administration, uh Epstein and Maxwell had no co-conspirators, which is really crazy, especially after this latest document trench.
• 50:42
  But what we want is an independent congressional commission.
• 50:48
  And independent congressional commissions are different than subcommittees.
• 50:52
  An independent congressional commission doesn't require the signature of a president, it does require a majority in the House and the Senate.
• 51:01
  And independent congressional commissions often employ non-government employees to investigate or look into whatever that particular commission is is looking into.
• 51:14
  And that's what we would need to get truth here a non-government personnel.
• 51:24
  I mean, I think that that's really our only shot.
• 51:27
  If this goes into a subcommittee, if there if it becomes an Epstein subcommittee, it'll it'll die in Moither.
• 51:34
  Yeah, it'll become kabuki theater.
• 51:36
  Yeah.
• 51:37
  I think that's a lot of what happens in Congress.
• 51:39
  Uh they see it as a means of being able to get some attention before their next election, but they know that they don't have the power to prosecute, and uh, and they're not they really can't do anything.
• 51:51
  Um, I do think it is interesting that you've got uh really, as far as I know, for the first time, uh, Congress passing a law that says, hey, you got to release evidence.
• 52:00
  Um that's pretty cool.
• 52:02
  And and I do think that that sort of thing needs to happen on a lot of other things, like uh the 9-11 commission and uh some of the other you know things that are still mysteries uh to the American people.
• 52:13
  I think um the evidence needs to be revealed.
• 52:17
  It's it's you know, these people work for us.
• 52:20
  So yes, we the people, and what we want from that independent congressional commission is we have two objectives.
• 52:27
  We want to know why the government covered up child trafficking, because when you cover up a crime, you're aiding and betting that crime.
• 52:35
  So we want to know what caused our government to cover up child trafficking, and two, we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.
• 52:45
  We know who the procurers are, we know who a lot of the perpetrators are, and there's a lot of witnesses that would be willing to come victims that would be willing to come forward if they felt it was safe.
• 52:57
  And that's what we need to do is uh we know who a lot of the procurers are, and we could impanel a grand jury next week and then start indicting them for on multiple counts of child trafficking, and they would be looking at multiple lifetimes in prison, and they were they would roll over on the perps.
• 53:16
  And actually, on the latest trench of documents, one of the uh two of the procureurs came forward and wanted to make a deal with the government.
• 53:28
  Interesting.
• 53:30
  Do you think that there's you know, there's a lot that they've still redacted.
• 53:37
  I've gone through and analyzed a couple of documents um that related to communications that were uh via email to Jeffrey Epstein.
• 53:47
  Um and everything that I've you know run it through AI, put in all these, you know, different clues that are in the email.
• 53:54
  They've redacted who was emailing him.
• 53:57
  I think it's clearly um, I think it's uh just Lane Maxwell who is emailing him in this case, but it doesn't make any sense why they would redact her name.
• 54:08
  Um so that there's a lot of documents in there that it doesn't seem there's it doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for why they let some things be unredacted and why they still have redactions on other things, and uh you know they say that it's due to people who you know are victims, but I'm seeing evidence that there are likely redactions there that shouldn't be there, they have nothing to do with victims.
• 54:35
  Why do you think that is the Epstein Transparency Act?
• 54:40
  Only victims were supposed to be redacted.
• 54:43
  So the Trump administration is breaking the law.
• 54:46
  I mean, they've been breaking the law on this uh since it was signed into law, but yes, there should be far fewer redactions, and I guess there's three more uh documents, three million more documents that we should get that we don't have.
• 55:03
  The so the Trump administration is has clearly broken the law on the Epstein Victims Transparency Act, and that's a law that Donald Trump signed into being.
• 55:17
  Yeah, yeah, it's disappointing.
• 55:20
  Uh, there's definitely a lot of uh I don't think this issue is gonna go away.
• 55:26
  Uh, I think there's enough interest on both sides, um, which you know, I think that uh maybe it's another reason why they're starting to talk about aliens again because it seems like that's the go-to to you know distract the you know, people from you know something that uh you know could be damaging.
• 55:46
  Well, we're we're just about out of time, but I want to thank you, you know, for coming on the show and for giving us your insights.
• 55:53
  Where can people uh follow you and where can they uh you've written a book, uh tell us about that and and where can people can follow you and follow your organization?
• 56:03
  I've I've written a number of books.
• 56:05
  I've the book that I talked about, the child trafficking is called The Franklin Scandal Story of Power Broker Shall Abuse and Betrayal.
• 56:12
  I also wrote a book called Compromise, The Politics of Sex Lies and Blackmail, and I also wrote a book about Watergate, and I wrote a book about lower socioeconomic children way back in antiquity.
• 56:27
  And but I would like I'm not really about selling books with these interviews.
• 56:33
  I'm about getting people to visit us at empsteinjustice.com.
• 56:36
  That's far more important to me than selling books.
• 56:44
  Um your efforts that you know you mentioned about um that uh you know more people need to come forward.
• 56:53
  Uh is there a way for whistleblowers or for people to reach out to you through that uh website?
• 57:00
  Sure.
• 57:01
  We have a number of things that people can do.
• 57:03
  We've got a change.org petition that's got 80,000 signatures.
• 57:08
  We have webinars every week.
• 57:10
  Our next webinar is uh Tuesday night at eight o'clock.
• 57:14
  You can sign up and get emails from us, and if you want, you can be part of our organization.
• 57:23
  So there's a lot of things that people can do if they check out Epstein Justice.com.
• 57:28
  Well, that's great.
• 57:29
  Well, I want to thank you again for joining us, and I want to thank you, the listeners, for being a part of the show today.
• 57:35
  We encourage you to stay informed and engaged until next time.
• 57:40
  Stay vigilant.