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Isaac Schade on Big 12 men's basketball, BYU's win over Iowa St, Houston-Kansas tonight + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Casey and the Sunshine Band had number ones during that time.
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  Speaker 1: Escape the Pina Colada song if you like Penic Coolatus
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  Speaker 1: that was.
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  Speaker 3: Number one for a single week in nineteen eighty. There
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  Speaker 3: you go. Obviously, we're throwing it.
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  Speaker 1: Back to nineteen eighty because of the gold medal performance
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  Speaker 1: by USA Men's hockey this past weekend, first time in
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  Speaker 1: forty six years that team USA was able to dethron
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  Speaker 1: the top of the top of the top in this case,
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  Speaker 1: that was Canada, who now is relegated to on the
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  Speaker 1: men's and women's side. Second place and your America's hat. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you have to give us the Toronto Raptors because that's
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  Speaker 1: a cool logo. We're taking that space needle you've got.
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  Speaker 1: I want all the maple syrup in the country. Justin Bieber.
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  Speaker 1: He belongs to us. Now he's Canadian, right, we get
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  Speaker 1: it all. Sorry, Canada. Even sparkles is ours too. What's
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  Speaker 1: that you don't know How I Met your Mother?
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  Speaker 3: Guy? Oh no, okay, I haven't.
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  Speaker 4: I Met your Mother will love that one.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you know I'm gonna let's see, we
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  Speaker 1: don't have I think I don't think we have very
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  Speaker 1: many polar bears. Like only Alaska has polar bears, and
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  Speaker 1: only way way up there.
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  Speaker 3: So you got to give us the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: polar bears.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they gotta have a bunch of polar bears in
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  Speaker 4: the Yukon and Northwest territories.
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  Speaker 1: Then yeah, yeah, they produced seventy of the world's maple syrup.
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  Speaker 1: Supply give us the great cup too. We will put
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  Speaker 1: it in the storage shed. But I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: many gives. I don't know how many tim Hortons there
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  Speaker 1: are in the United States. I don't know if we
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  Speaker 1: need another Starbucks dunkin Donuts type thing.
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  Speaker 4: There's gotta be some in the Buffalo air because if
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  Speaker 4: you watch Buffalo Bills games, they have the Tim Horton's
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  Speaker 4: logo on the stadium in the stadium, so there's got
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  Speaker 4: to be gotta be some there, unless they're just like, no,
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  Speaker 4: they're only just across the border in Canada, but we're
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  Speaker 4: we're sponsoring the Bills anyway. So I just I just
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  Speaker 4: googled best things from Canada to see what else we
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  Speaker 4: want to take.
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  Speaker 1: Maple syrup is number one. Poutine is number two. Poutine
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  Speaker 1: Poutine's good. I really like cheese, curds, fries and gravy
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  Speaker 1: originated in Quebec. They sit in Nanaimo bars. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what those are, but a three layer of chocolate,
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  Speaker 1: custard and coconut dessert. I'm down with all three of
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  Speaker 1: those things individually, especially like coconuts, so the three put
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  Speaker 1: together sounds great.
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  Speaker 3: Butter tarts. I've been to Canada a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been offered a butter tart,
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  Speaker 1: small pastry shells filled with a mixture of butter, sugar,
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  Speaker 1: and egg Montreal style bagels. I've had these. They're denser
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  Speaker 1: and sweeter than New York bagels. Okay, I got tattooed
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  Speaker 1: up in Canada and there was a Montreal style bagel shop.
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  Speaker 1: They also have like something called Montreal smoked meat. That
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  Speaker 1: is just as far as I can tell, they just
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  Speaker 1: like to call things Canadian.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like ham. But it's like, this is Montreal
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  Speaker 3: style smoked meat. It's not.
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  Speaker 4: It's so it's not Canadian bacon it is. It's like
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  Speaker 4: smoked ham, but really thin sliced. I was like that, guys,
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  Speaker 4: you can't just smoked ham. It's you can't claim things
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  Speaker 4: and call them like your own style. What it's basically, Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is American style pizza. Oh really, what's the difference. Well,
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  Speaker 4: we have bread with cheese and sauce. Yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 4: every pizza is. Can we take Thanksgiving in October?
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  Speaker 5: Too?
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  Speaker 3: Can we have two Thanksgivings? Not take that from Canada?
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  Speaker 3: Not bad?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, fact they did, they do Thanksgiving a different month.
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  Speaker 3: Ice wine.
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  Speaker 1: There's something called again this is Google's list of things
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  Speaker 1: the best things from Canada. They have something called ice wine,
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  Speaker 1: a dessert wine made from grapes frozen on the vine,
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  Speaker 1: famously produced in the Niagara region. So if there's any
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  Speaker 1: Awiena files out there who want to tell me if
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  Speaker 1: ice wine is any good? Is that something we want
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  Speaker 1: to steal for ourselves. Will we have room in the
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  Speaker 1: storage facilities after we fill them with the maple syrup?
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  Speaker 1: Probably not so ice wine you might.
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  Speaker 4: Have to go. And the gray cups that's in the
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  Speaker 4: storage facility too. We're not gonna we're not gonna do
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  Speaker 4: anything with the Great Cup, but we will take it.
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  Speaker 4: You can't keep it anymore. Let's see insulin. Canada gave
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  Speaker 4: us insulin in nineteen twenty two. I mean America has
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  Speaker 4: already been benefiting from that. We already have enough of that,
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  Speaker 4: I think hopefully. Paintball apparently they invented paintball up there.
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  Speaker 4: Basketball was invented by a Canadian. We already stole that.
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  Speaker 4: In the United States, we already co opted basketball. Okay, yeah, wait, cool,
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  Speaker 4: doctor James Nate Smith shout out to his Canadian roots,
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  Speaker 4: but he did it in Massachusetts, so it's not yours.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just a lot of things. If we don't
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  Speaker 1: want the maple syrup and the tim Hortons. There's not
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  Speaker 1: a lot that Canada can really offer us. Apparently they
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  Speaker 1: did invent garbage bags, though, and the paint roller. The
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  Speaker 1: pager didn't last very long. This I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I believe this, although popular culture would have some believe otherwise.
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  Speaker 1: Peanut butter was not invented by American botanist George Washington Carver.
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  Speaker 1: Rather was created in eighteen eighty four by Canadian pharmacist
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  Speaker 1: Marcellus Gilmour Edson, who likened the consistency of his product
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  Speaker 1: to that of butter, lard or ointment. Canada's trying to
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  Speaker 1: claim they invented peanut butter.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: George Washington Carver would have something to say about yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: This article says no, that was a false claim. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I don't like that. Isaac Shade.
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  Speaker 1: If you were following his Twitter, he was all the
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  Speaker 1: way in on the hardcore team USA Hockey following and
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  Speaker 1: as everyone should have been, host of Lockdown College Basketball
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  Speaker 1: and Lockdown tar Heels and a friend of the program.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't talked to him a while, but we get
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  Speaker 1: to talk to him again. Isaac, Welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: I am great man. I'm still reveling in that golden
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  Speaker 5: globe from yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: How incredible was it?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like in sports now, there's so many subplots
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  Speaker 1: and weird stories around sports, and some of them are
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  Speaker 1: inspirational and great, and some of them are just like
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  Speaker 1: contract disputes and collective bargaining and nil and all this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like, and I know the Olympics do a
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  Speaker 1: good job of doing this, it felt like, for that
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  Speaker 1: blessed couple hours, we got to boil it down to
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  Speaker 1: a good old fashioned country versus country rivalry and the
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  Speaker 1: guys cared a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It was a beautiful thing to see Team USA take
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  Speaker 3: the goal.
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  Speaker 5: It was it was like that patriotism of it, but
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  Speaker 5: then mixed with the beautiful storylines of like forty six
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  Speaker 5: years to the day since the miracle on ice and
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  Speaker 5: Johnny Goudreau's family and his sweet kid being out there
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  Speaker 5: in the second birth, like, like, how could you not
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  Speaker 5: be enamored with the beauty of the story of sport?
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  Speaker 5: And it just I literally sat in tears on my couch.
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  Speaker 5: I don't mind admitting that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really incredible to see. And now we
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  Speaker 1: turn back to the sports that we always pay attention to.
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  Speaker 1: Now a lot of people pay attention to hockey all
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  Speaker 1: the time. But we're getting into this time of year
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  Speaker 1: where suddenly college basketball, even for the casual thing, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot more interesting. We're a couple weeks away from
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  Speaker 1: tournament time, and the Big Twelve especially has gotten really,
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  Speaker 1: really interesting. This past weekend, Arizona reclaimed the top spot
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  Speaker 1: in the conference, and there was that log jam at
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  Speaker 1: the top. They've got a couple tough tests left, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they still have to play Iowa State. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: I think Arizona can can stay at the top of
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  Speaker 1: this Big Twelve conference as we head to the tournament.
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  Speaker 5: I do think they can, And to be very frank
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  Speaker 5: and honest with you, I thought they should have ascended
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  Speaker 5: back to number one in the new poll today. My
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  Speaker 5: issue was last week. I thought the AP voters dropped
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  Speaker 5: them further than they should have after the losses to
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  Speaker 5: Kansas at Kansas by the Way and Texas Tech in
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  Speaker 5: overtime as their first two losses. And that's to take
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  Speaker 5: nothing away from Duke. I just think that Arizona is
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  Speaker 5: the more complete of those two teams. But I mean,
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  Speaker 5: we're splitting hairs that they're one and two in some order,
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  Speaker 5: and that's fine with me. Man, You're right. This logjam
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  Speaker 5: at the top of the Big Twelve is crazy. We
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  Speaker 5: had three of the top five teams in the Big
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  Speaker 5: Twelve lose over the weekend, and you look at this
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  Speaker 5: closing slate for Arizona, it is difficult. They've got to
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  Speaker 5: go to wake Go that's tomorrow. They got Kansas at
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  Speaker 5: home on Saturday. They got Iowa State at home on
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  Speaker 5: Big Monday next week. I'll tell you, these Big Monday
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  Speaker 5: games deliver every single week. It's crazy. And then they
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  Speaker 5: go to colorad to close it out. The nice thing
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  Speaker 5: is those two hardest games are both at home. You
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  Speaker 5: never know what you're gonna get With Darren Peterson. I'm
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  Speaker 5: very excited to see though, because obviously Houston has won
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  Speaker 5: the Big Twelve in each of these first two years.
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  Speaker 5: They're right there, first two years they've been in the conference.
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  Speaker 5: They're one game back right now, and man, I am
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  Speaker 5: very curious to see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned his name, and my listeners are probably sick
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  Speaker 1: of me talking about Darren Peterson because he's a Kansas Jayhawk,
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  Speaker 1: but I am this is I'm morbidly fascinated with this
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  Speaker 1: whole process. And I don't even know what the right
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  Speaker 1: way to ask a question about it, But is it
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  Speaker 1: being handled properly? Is there another way for Bill self
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  Speaker 1: and Kansas to go about this? I do feel like
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  Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of different ways Darren himself and
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  Speaker 1: his camp could go about it. But again I don't
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  Speaker 1: really know. Maybe he does cramp more than anybody on
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  Speaker 1: the planet. Just give me your thoughts on Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 5: It's a weird thing. The close I was thinking about
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  Speaker 5: this actually last week two years ago, Bill self, I
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  Speaker 5: had a similar sittion with Kevin mccullor, who was his
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  Speaker 5: best player that year, and down the stretch of the
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  Speaker 5: season mccullor dealt with some knee injuries and was in
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  Speaker 5: and out of the lineup a little bit. And I
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  Speaker 5: could sense Bill self for a long time holding it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like any of the critique he was keeping internalized,
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  Speaker 5: and eventually that veneer crack and you could see I
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  Speaker 5: could sense the frustration in him with basically he more
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  Speaker 5: or less said, without directly saying it, that Kevin mccullor
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  Speaker 5: was a whimp and wasn't manning up and playing, and
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  Speaker 5: I finally last week for the first time, heard some
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  Speaker 5: of that same level of frustration with the Darren Peterson situation.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know that there's a good way to frame it.
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  Speaker 5: I personally am of the mind that he's not ducking
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  Speaker 5: the smoke. I just I wonder if some of his
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  Speaker 5: pain tolerance threshold is lesser than some other people. You know,
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  Speaker 5: It's just it's an odd situation with a guy that
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  Speaker 5: is the odds on favorite to be the number one
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  Speaker 5: pick in the draft, with all due respect to Ajdabonsa,
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  Speaker 5: and all due respect to Cam Boozer who just wins
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  Speaker 5: and wins and wins, and a couple other guys, I
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  Speaker 5: think ultimately, to me, I legitimately think it just feels
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  Speaker 5: like a situation where it's just coincidentally weird stuff all
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  Speaker 5: happening in succession, from the cramping and handy stuff to
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  Speaker 5: the bad ankle situation he had, to the sickness, the
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  Speaker 5: kind of flu symptoms he had a little bit after that.
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  Speaker 5: That said, though, I feel like Darren himself could be
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  Speaker 5: handling this letter to give to kind of paint himself
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  Speaker 5: in a better light. You know, he's just like the
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  Speaker 5: asking out and the other things. It's just it's not
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  Speaker 5: a good look. And if I'm his teammates, I'm wildly
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  Speaker 5: frustrated at the back and forth, Like im if I'm
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  Speaker 5: Melvin Counsel junior, when am I supposed to be the dude?
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  Speaker 5: And when am I supposed to take a back seat?
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  Speaker 5: How do you figure out how to do a team
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  Speaker 5: in that way?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is one of the more interesting things about
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  Speaker 1: the whole situation, because I mean even his coach has said, well,
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  Speaker 1: we've we've gotten pretty good at winning without him, which
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  Speaker 1: if you're a player, you hate hearing that, even if
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  Speaker 1: it's not directed as an insult.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm at forty two, barely mature enough to say,
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  Speaker 1: all right, that's not directed at me. At if I'm
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  Speaker 1: in my twenties, I'm looking at that going like, oh
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  Speaker 1: for real, like you're taking a shot at me. Like
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  Speaker 1: the whole situation is odd, But let's say that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: nothing changes, and Kansas gets exactly this from Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 1: which is great play when he's on the floor, question
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  Speaker 1: mark whether he's going to be there or not, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: inconsistent shooting. If this is exactly what they get from
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  Speaker 1: the eventual number one, number two, number three NBA draft pick.
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  Speaker 1: How far can they take it? Both in Big twelve
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  Speaker 1: basketball and in the NCAA Tournament.
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  Speaker 5: They're they're right there, better than where I expected them
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  Speaker 5: to be even before the season in terms of where
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  Speaker 5: they're sitting in the Big twelve. You know, back to
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  Speaker 5: back years they've been outside the top three in the
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  Speaker 5: Big twelve trending. They were trending for the third time
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  Speaker 5: in a row, which would have been the first time
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  Speaker 5: ever in Kansas history doing that. That was a number
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  Speaker 5: I looked up over the offseason. Right now, they're tied
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  Speaker 5: for third with Iowa State. With Texas Tech, I think
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  Speaker 5: at at worst they can be a top four seed
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  Speaker 5: in the Big twelve because you've got you know, Texas
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  Speaker 5: Tech now struggling with JT.
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  Speaker 3: Topp and gone.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna be okay, but they're not going to be
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  Speaker 5: elite obviously. For BYU, I thought it was really important
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  Speaker 5: the showing that they had on Saturday with Richie Sunders out,
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  Speaker 5: with Robert Wright only scoring six points, you know, and
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  Speaker 5: still doing what they did. I thought it was really
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  Speaker 5: good in that regard. So I think BYU is going
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  Speaker 5: to be better. Often I thought they were going to be,
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  Speaker 5: But there's still two games back of Kansas. So I
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  Speaker 5: think Kansas finishes at least top four in the Big twelve.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, we had the reveal of the
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  Speaker 5: Top sixteen on Saturday. Kansas finds their way into that
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  Speaker 5: as a three seed, the tenth overall team. And so
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  Speaker 5: if you're the Jayhawks, your four remaining games are versus Houston,
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  Speaker 5: at Arizona, at Arizona State, and home to a Jerome
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  Speaker 5: tangleis Kansas State. So I mean, at worst the Jayhawks
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  Speaker 5: are going to go to and two. The problem is
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  Speaker 5: they're coming off that lost to Cincinnati, a bad loss
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  Speaker 5: to Cincinnati, And so my projection for Kansas is there
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  Speaker 5: at least a second week. This is at least a
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  Speaker 5: Sweet sixteen team with i'll call it Final four upside.
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  Speaker 5: If things go right and Darren Peterson can stay on
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  Speaker 5: the floor.
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  Speaker 1: Well I may have buried the lead a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But the BYU Cougars have a lot more local interest here.
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  Speaker 1: And you mentioned him aj Debonsa. He played all forty
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  Speaker 1: minutes and nearly had a triple double, massively important to
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  Speaker 1: that win the other night, and it's like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this guy has lived up to the hype in a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Roster itself hasn't necessarily, especially with
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  Speaker 1: the Richie Saunders injury and some questions about how much
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  Speaker 1: you can get off the bench, which we finally got
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  Speaker 1: at least a decent optimistic answer to this past weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But it's the same question I have about Kansas. Is
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  Speaker 1: it going to take superhuman performances every night from AJ
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  Speaker 1: to Bonsa for this BYU team to make any real noise?
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  Speaker 1: Or can we see more of what we saw on
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  Speaker 1: the weekend where your bench is alive and awake. Can
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  Speaker 1: you get somebody besides Debonsa right contributing?
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  Speaker 5: Right? Yeah, I mean one of the critical things we
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  Speaker 5: talked about on Lockdown College Basketball last week is somebody's
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to step up. Is it Canar Davis that's
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  Speaker 5: going to have a better game? We postulated, and sure
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  Speaker 5: enough he did. I thought you saw a nice game
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  Speaker 5: from Ahilo Bosko bench, right like, so you had a
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  Speaker 5: couple of these guys stepping up, and they're gonna have
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  Speaker 5: to continue to do so. I think, yes, at some level,
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  Speaker 5: AJ is going to have to be superhuman, But it
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  Speaker 5: can't just be him like Robert Wright is similar to
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  Speaker 5: let's compare it to what we just talked about in Lubbock, Texas.
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  Speaker 5: They're down JT topping and so now that means that
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  Speaker 5: Christian Anderson has to step up and be a dude.
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  Speaker 5: I think Rob Wright's kind of in that same mold,
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  Speaker 5: like it's got to be a batman and Robin of
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  Speaker 5: Aj and Rob like, that's to me is the key
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  Speaker 5: with Richie out now. But then you've got Kaba Keda
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  Speaker 5: and all his athleticism and experience. Oh by the way, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like I think there's a lot of that that you
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  Speaker 5: lean on. But then it's so difficult because of other
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  Speaker 5: death flow. You know, you think about somebody like Dawson Baker,
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  Speaker 5: how much would he add if he was healthy?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 5: And so that's the struggle for me, is it's not
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  Speaker 5: just Richie. There's other injury issues up and down the
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: roster and that's a problem. But as we get here
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: into March where you're going to shorten your bench anyway,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: it's like, all right, look, Keba rob Aj Canard like, guys,
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  Speaker 5: we just got to lock in and go. You're all
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  Speaker 5: going to play a crap ton of minutes and you
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  Speaker 5: just gotta be ready for it.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking a little collope here on the Sean o'connells.
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  Speaker 1: Isaac Shade is the host of Lockdown College Basketball and
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  Speaker 1: kind enough to give us some time today.
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  Speaker 3: So the rest of the.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Log jam near the top of this Big Twelve tournament,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I think that there's four or five teams capable of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: winning the conference tournament. I think that there's more than
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that who're going to be in the NCAA. But is
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: there anyone without a ranking number next to their name
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  Speaker 1: right now? Who you think in this Big twelve conference
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  Speaker 1: could do something? Could be something when we get to
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  Speaker 1: the postseason, specifically.
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  Speaker 5: In the Big Twelve Tournament or in the NBA tournament
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  Speaker 5: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess if you do it in the Big
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  Speaker 3: Twelve Tournament, maybe that gives you shot to do it
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  Speaker 3: in the NCUBLA. But I'm mostly focusing on the NCAA tournament.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, I mean, we saw. Here's what's funny to me.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Five games ago, West Virginia loses a basketball or excuse me,
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: Cincinnati loses a basketball game to West Virginia. Wes Miller's
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: out here apologizing to his fans and his crowd. They're
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: on a four game winning streak since then, including winning
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: at Allen Fieldhouse. By sixteen, you got bobon Miller, who
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: was expected to be so good for a couple of
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: years down at Florida State, never really lived up to that.
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  Speaker 5: Suddenly he's playing better. I think there's possibility there. UCF
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  Speaker 5: is a team that's kind of been up and down.
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  Speaker 5: I think they're going to make the tournament. And that's
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: the question with Cincinnati is can they even do enough
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  Speaker 5: down the stretch here to get themselves in because obviously
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: they're very bubblicious and like, it's weird because you've got
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: some of these other teams, you know, you expect Baylor
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: in other years to do it well, they're obviously not
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: going to make the tournament. And so for my money,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: a team with a number not next to its name,
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: it's probably got to be UCF. I I can't really
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: see them getting to the second weekend, but I think
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: UCF could be as like a second round kind of team,
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: and if it hits right and they get the right matchup,
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: maybe there's an upset on the other side. They can
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: make it to Sweet sixteen. But really, outside of the tops.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I think the Big twelve, he is the best conference
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: in basketball this season, but it's a very top heavy six.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's fair. We've we've come to see that.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I think over the course of this thing, I haven't
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: asked you anything about Iowa State and they're you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: they've flirted with the top five all year long. Are
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: they when we get you know, get into the tournament
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  Speaker 1: and they're something like a two seed, are they going
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: to make a deep run?
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  Speaker 5: I think they very well could. So much of March
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: is just about experience, it's about guards. Taman Lipsi brings
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: both of those things. Milan Momtchilovitch one of the huge
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: things for me coming into this season is he had
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: to step up and be more of a dude. Right
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: He's been there the past couple of years, been there
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: all along. He was there when they won the Big
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: twelfth championship. Was that two years ago? Now in twenty four, Yeah,
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: beat Houston, and but you bring in that and then
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: you've got like this precocious freshman named Killian Torre. You've
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: got Joshua Jefferson who's just an absolute dude at ken
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: Po right now, he's second in the Nation in Player
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: of the Year data, and so I just feel like
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: tj Osselberger has these pieces that all come together. You've
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: got gosh, I didn't even think about another freshman in
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Jamarian Bateman and Blake Buchanan as the big So the
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: pieces are there for Iowa State. I believe in tj
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Osselberger as a coach. I know Taman Lipsey's undersized, but man,
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: that senior experience that he brings. That offensive rebound he
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: got coming across the free throw lane to finish off
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: the Houston game on last Monday a week ago today.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's like those kind of plays that make
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: me believe in them, and I think that then is
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: an encouraging thing. Let's go back to the BYU of
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: it all for Iowa State to be coming off back
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: to back top ten wins over Kansas in Houston and
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: then a Richie Saunders list BYU says, all right, come
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: on up to Provo, we're going to take care of
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: business as well. And so that's I think a good
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: sign both for Iowa State that it's like they're doing
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: what they need to do. Just been named the number
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: one seed by the committee earlier on Saturday I think
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: they probably do end up as a two, because I
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: I just think that's where they're going to end up falling.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: But that was also an encouragement for me because I
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: believe a lot in Iowa State, and so for what
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: the KUB showed on Saturday night, that was encouraging as well.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I think I know where you stand on this, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I want to give you the space sixty eight teams
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: right now in the NCAA tournament. Continuous talk about us
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: needing more or getting more, what do you think?
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: You're absolutely correct?
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: You know our stand on that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: It's dumb and pointless, and we already don't have enough
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: what I would call worthy teams to fill out the field.
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: It is a money grab. It is a Greg Sankee
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: wanting to take care of the sec kind of that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: You know, It's like that whole thing. It's a similar
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: conversation to expanding the college football playoffs. And I know
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Charlie Baker, the NCAA president, would talk about inclusion and
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: making sure we've got a certain percent of our of
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: our makeup of our body in the postseason tournament. But
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: my pushback, as always, they every one of the three
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: hundred and sixty five teams in men's college basketball has
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: a chance to make the NCAA Tournament because of their
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: conference tournament. That is their opportunity. If we want more inclusion,
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: dag gumutt, three hundred and sixty five teams are you
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: kidding at? Like they should not all be competing for
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: the same trophy. That is an absurdity. You want Arizona
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: and Duke and Michigan to be playing for the same
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: crown that Mississippi Valley State and Coppen State are playing for.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. Let's not expand the same It
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: feels inevitable at this point, but I'm gonna keep trying
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: to ring the bell for as long as I can
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: that Like, if anything, I would rather retract back to
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: sixty four than expand beyond sixty eight. And it sounds
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: like if and when they expand, it's not gonna be
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: just a little jump to seventy two. They're gonna go
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: on up to seven.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, that's uh, we will need that. We'll need
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: another bunch of teams that have no shot of winning
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the actual real thing. H Yeah, sometimes we need adults
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: in the room when it comes to these INCABA decisions.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: But we haven't got yet.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: We need a college basketball tzar.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We need tzars in football, in basketball, in softball, in
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: base I never thought that. I mean, especially after some
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: gold medal wins, we'd be coming on a Monday and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: talking about how the USA needs some tzars, but we
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: need them. That's so good, Isaac, thanks for your time today.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you. Keep up the great work.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Oh Man, Thank you, Sean. I appreciate your brother.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Have a great afternoon, Isaac Shade, host of Locked on
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: College Basketball, Locked on Tar Heels as well