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Speaker 1: Lately. Welcome to the Late Debates.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond
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Speaker 2: with Jamie Rodgers and Joe Hildebrand. Tonight is what's coming
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Speaker 2: up on the program. The staggering number of young people
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Speaker 2: who think there's a justification for stealing from a supermarket
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Speaker 2: or cheating a self service checkout. This is from a
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Speaker 2: new poll. And you know what, I think they may
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Speaker 2: actually have a case. We'll debate that soon in the papers.
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Speaker 2: The police union, where it's apparently traditioned to give departing
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Speaker 2: officials payments to which they are not entitled. And the
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Speaker 2: Broncos got a stunning victory in the NRL Grand Final
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Speaker 2: last night, which you were probably watching instead of an
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Speaker 2: excellent edition of the Sunday Showdown. I'll forgive you for that,
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Speaker 2: but now they're in trouble for celebrating too hard. More
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Speaker 2: on that later, but first too, where else Buck Victoria? Yes,
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Speaker 2: I know I said it last week, and I'm going
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Speaker 2: to say it again here we are starting the week
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Speaker 2: with an only in Victoria's story. This time it is
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Speaker 2: the fact that the watchhouses are so full in Victoria
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Speaker 2: because of the tougher bail rules that people are now
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Speaker 2: being given bail because they got nowhere.
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Speaker 3: To put them extraordinary, isn't it?
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Speaker 2: This all kicked off because a magistrate, Carol and Burnside,
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Speaker 2: is getting terribly upset that people who were due to
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Speaker 2: appear before her in court were not appearing in court,
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Speaker 2: and she was saying, well where are they? I mean,
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Speaker 2: these people don't have bail. They're meant to be locked
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Speaker 2: up somewhere, like don't you just go and get them
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Speaker 2: and bring them to my court room? And they said, well,
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Speaker 2: I'm very sorry, Miss Burnside, so superl but I know
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Speaker 2: these people are not in the cells underneath the court
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Speaker 2: because generally if you're waiting for your day in court,
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Speaker 2: they have the cells there for people who are on
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Speaker 2: remand or overnight or whatever. You bring them up to
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Speaker 2: the court room they have their appearance. Sorry, they're not
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Speaker 2: in there because those cells are full, so we're keeping
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Speaker 2: them somewhere off site and it's too difficult to get
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Speaker 2: them to the court room. So Ms Burnside said, well,
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Speaker 2: I now invite prisoners to apply for bail if there's
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Speaker 2: nowhere to keep you, because maybe you'll be a better
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Speaker 2: chance of rocking up to court if you can come
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Speaker 2: here under your own steam. And that is exactly what
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Speaker 2: has happened. A guy who's been a lifelong heroin addict
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Speaker 2: who was accused in January and he's been locked up
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Speaker 2: ever since of armed.
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Speaker 3: Burglary or aggravated burglary.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, was given bail because well he just couldn't get
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Speaker 2: to court otherwise. And the magistrates said to him, look
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Speaker 2: and here you go, go and fend for yourself. I
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Speaker 2: know you've been a lifelong heroin addict. You'll have to
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Speaker 2: live on the streets for a couple of days before
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Speaker 2: you get your supported accommodation, but good luck and hopefully I'll.
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Speaker 3: See you in court soon.
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, how do you get to the point
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Speaker 2: where there's literally nowhere to put all the people who
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Speaker 2: are committing crimes because you said we're going to be
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Speaker 2: tough on bail to the point where you've got to
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Speaker 2: give them bail otherwise just know where.
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Speaker 3: To put them.
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Speaker 4: This just shows, doesn't it, another failure by the Allen government,
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Speaker 4: because they were warned that by next year all of
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Speaker 4: the prisons were going to be at capacity. That wasn't
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Speaker 4: including the magistrate courts. Where As you just mentioned in
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Speaker 4: your opener, where prisoners can't be shipped in. Some of
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Speaker 4: them are doing their hearings online so that they can
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Speaker 4: avoid that issue.
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Speaker 1: Working from home.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go, definish it working from home.
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Speaker 4: But especially when you are warned about this to say, look,
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Speaker 4: if you're going to close a prison, which is what
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Speaker 4: they have done with the Port Phillip, but then you're
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Speaker 4: not going to open up another one. I know that
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Speaker 4: they have put money aside. It's about seven hundred million
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Speaker 4: to be able to build another prison, which will have
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Speaker 4: less beds than the one that they closed. But they
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Speaker 4: haven't prepared for this, so they've put in these tougher
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Speaker 4: bail laws, and they've been warned that be careful. You're
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Speaker 4: going to end up with too many prisoners in these
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Speaker 4: jail cells. You're not aboule to fit them. But let's
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Speaker 4: still go ahead and do it anyway. It's just a
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Speaker 4: diabolical face.
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Speaker 2: It was one of these prisons that are long ago.
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Speaker 2: I remember doing the story where they built it and
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Speaker 2: then one of the wings was infested with mold and
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Speaker 2: they couldn't and then they got to.
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Speaker 1: Knock it over.
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Speaker 6: It is unbelievable. And the thing is that when you
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Speaker 6: have when you are in a state that is completely dysfunctional.
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Speaker 6: What would otherwise be just a bit of bad luck
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Speaker 6: ends up becoming a crisis on its own, and I
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Speaker 6: have to do a thing. As a refugee from Victoria,
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Speaker 6: I made it across the Murray alive in the year
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Speaker 6: two thousand and I remember thinking, I can't believe, you know,
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Speaker 6: what is this place, Sydney? What is these ruffians? These
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Speaker 6: uncouth barbarians. And as time has gone on and you look,
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Speaker 6: I look back at my homestandn I've got friends there
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Speaker 6: and family there, and it is just absolutely diabolical, to
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Speaker 6: the point where I was asked to write basically an
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Speaker 6: intervention to Victoria. The editor had obviously just seen a
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Speaker 6: couple of stats seen and thought, holy crap, you know,
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Speaker 6: needless say, He's on the phone to me two seconds
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Speaker 6: later saying you've got to write this thing.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, it can't be that bad. It
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Speaker 1: can't be that bad.
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Speaker 6: And as I started looking more and more at the
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Speaker 6: crime stats in particular, but also everything else, it is
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Speaker 6: cat straphic. You compare Victoria to New South Wales, big
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Speaker 6: bad New South Wales. The higher population, you've got crimes
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Speaker 6: like car jacking and home invasions that are skyrocketing. And
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Speaker 6: Victoria we are talking increases of figures like you know,
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Speaker 6: twenty five year on year year on year, so one year,
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Speaker 6: you know, it's almost half as much high again, much
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Speaker 6: higher raw figures than New South Wales despite a much
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Speaker 6: lower population. And it is you know, in some cases
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Speaker 6: in New South Wales the same crimes are going down.
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Speaker 1: March well, I think with.
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Speaker 2: Astronauts which have exploded in Victoria and now across the
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Speaker 2: country people's insurance premiums are going up.
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Speaker 1: It's because of.
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Speaker 6: Victoria and not just car theester car jacking is also
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Speaker 6: going up. It's like a startup industry and the real
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Speaker 6: kicker that had actually emerged in a strangely enough emerged
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Speaker 6: as a business story in the Australian Financial Review.
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Speaker 1: And this is all I think, tip my editor over
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Speaker 1: the head.
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Speaker 6: But the only because you remember that the IgA, the
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Speaker 6: head of IJA said we've got this massive problem with
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Speaker 6: theft and violence in our Victorian stores. Nowhere else in
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Speaker 6: the country is this a major problem, but in Victoria
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Speaker 6: it is. The head of West Farmers was talking about
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Speaker 6: their end of year financial results and he says the
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Speaker 6: only strong growth we are seeing in Victoria, kid, you
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Speaker 6: not is in the sale of home security products and Bunnings.
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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, just how cooked?
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Speaker 6: We are talking Kurt Russell in Escape from New York
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Speaker 6: yees point. We are talking about a kind of you know,
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Speaker 6: post apocalyptic zombie state.
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Speaker 1: We are talking the last of us.
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Speaker 6: We are talking, you know, a quiet place, and it
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Speaker 6: will be a quiet place because the last person in
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Speaker 6: Victoria will have to turn out the lights.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, the whole joint is basically in a crab cooker, right.
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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, you've got all this going on and the
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Speaker 2: police Minister Anthony Carbar do you think he'd be a
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Speaker 2: bit concerned about all these people being arrested in the
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Speaker 2: crime staffs and they can't be put in the jails
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Speaker 2: and they're all getting bail and no, no, no, he's
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Speaker 2: off complaining about a development in his neck of the woods.
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Speaker 2: They want to put up a four story apartment building,
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Speaker 2: and of course the residents have come complaining and.
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Speaker 3: He says, that's no good.
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Speaker 2: We can't have the four story apartment building in my suburb.
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Speaker 2: But of course the Allen government last year, you know,
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Speaker 2: sold the message about we've got to grow up, not
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Speaker 2: out and we've got to have high density and whatever.
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Speaker 2: So the police Minister, when he's got a hundred other
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Speaker 2: things he should be dealing with, has decided that he
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Speaker 2: should go and be a nimby against what the government
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Speaker 2: is saying, which makes the question A haven't you got
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Speaker 2: better things to be doing as the police minister? But
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Speaker 2: b isn't it funny that everyone else is expected to
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Speaker 2: bear the burden of high migration and high density housing
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Speaker 2: and the apartments next door.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's good for you. Yes, it's cultural enrichment. We
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Speaker 3: must have it.
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Speaker 2: No, No, who needs a backyard anymore? But when the
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Speaker 2: police minister's community is going to copy it, No, no,
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Speaker 2: we can't have that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Isn't this story just unbelievable?
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Speaker 4: What an absolute hypocrite, especially because he has been part
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Speaker 4: of those discussions where some of these other suburbs were
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Speaker 4: also had maximum four stories before the Labor government decided
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Speaker 4: to overhaul it and put twenty story buildings in if
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Speaker 4: you're within that eight hundred meters of a transport hub.
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Speaker 4: But if you look at the pictures of the development
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Speaker 4: that mister Carbines is going against, it's.
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Speaker 5: Actually not that bad. Four stories.
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Speaker 4: There's about seventeen units in there. It looks absolutely harmful
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Speaker 4: in comparison, harmless in comparison to what some of these
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Speaker 4: other suburbs are going through. But I think he needs
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Speaker 4: to be focusing on his police portfolio. But the other
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Speaker 4: thing that I found really frustrating was the Premier, just
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Speaker 4: Into Allen was asked about the comet that had come
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Speaker 4: from anthink Carbines and they said that he's been put
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Speaker 4: his name to this petition and she said, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 4: but that's okay.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a look at that show. This is the
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Speaker 3: Victorian primagures in there, Allen.
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Speaker 7: It's not unusual for members of Parliament, in representing the views,
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Speaker 7: listening to the view use of their community to make
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Speaker 7: different types of representations on different matters that come up
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Speaker 7: at a local level.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's all good.
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Speaker 4: Just Weeks just saying oh, this isn't quite in line
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Speaker 4: with what we're doing to every other suburb. I don't
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Speaker 4: agree with what he's saying, but as always, she's so weak.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous and it is the classic kind
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Speaker 6: of abstract and it's often people on the left of
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Speaker 6: the party. I'm sorry to say, who who will do
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Speaker 6: these answers? Where there'll be something like, you know, a
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Speaker 6: giant earthquake will have happened and killed one hundred thousand
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Speaker 6: people and not able to say, yes, Well, earthquakes are
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Speaker 6: a factor of natural life and they do occur from
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Speaker 6: time to time, and what we have to do is
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Speaker 6: understand that earthquakes do happen, and when they do happen,
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Speaker 6: we are ready for those earthquakes. And of course I'm
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Speaker 6: not saying I agree with the earthquake that, just that
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Speaker 6: earthquakes do periodically from time to time happen to come
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Speaker 6: about in a regular and an often unauthorized way. Anyway,
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what Jasima Allen could do with and
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Speaker 6: indeed the police minister could do with a little bit
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Speaker 6: of media training, because that's what they're doing. In the
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Speaker 6: great state of New South Wales. New Satelle's government ministers
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Speaker 6: are racking up taxpayer funded bills for media spin classes.
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Speaker 6: Taxpayers have forked out more than fifteen thousand dollars over
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Speaker 6: the past two years for ministerial media training amid the
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Speaker 6: state's cost of living crisis. I'd just like to say, firstly,
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Speaker 6: in relation to this matter, I'm available if any ministers
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Speaker 6: would like you just pick up the fone. You've all
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Speaker 6: got my number. I'll do it for fourteen thousand. But yes,
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Speaker 6: we've got new South Wales Domestic Finance Prevention Minister Jodi
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Speaker 6: Harrison alone spent more than ten thousand dollars last year
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Speaker 6: to improve her media performance, and it says that she
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Speaker 6: spent the most of anyone on media training, with her
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Speaker 6: spending accounting for more than half of the total eighteen
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Speaker 6: one hundred and seventy seven dollars minister's shelled out on
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Speaker 6: training during the last financial year, and then Planning Minister
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Speaker 6: Paul Scully spent four thousand dollars on media training in
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Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, and Gaming and Racing Minister David Harris
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Speaker 6: rapped up over almost six thousand dollars in fact in
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Speaker 6: training costs over the past two years, and that included
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Speaker 6: a MEAGA sixteen one hundred and seventy nine dollars on
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Speaker 6: improving his media performances. Do you know who's spent zero
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Speaker 6: on media training classes?
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Speaker 1: Though?
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Speaker 3: Oh, I know what's coming next?
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Speaker 6: Go on, judge right, Chris Mins is already perfect.
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Speaker 3: I knew you.
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Speaker 2: Look, I don't know what they had to pay for.
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Speaker 2: They could have just gone back and watched Yes, Prime.
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Speaker 8: Minister, that best question should ever raise again, Mernard, this is.
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Speaker 1: How you deal with questions.
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Speaker 8: If you have nothing to say, say nothing, better, still
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Speaker 8: have something to say, and say it no matter what
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Speaker 8: they ask, Pay no attention to the question, just make
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Speaker 8: your own. Then if they ask the question again, what
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Speaker 8: you say is that's stop the question, or I think
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Speaker 8: the real question is and then you'll make another statement
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Speaker 8: of your own.
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Speaker 2: Send you ten thousand dollars to Jim Hacker because he
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Speaker 2: just did it there. But what I want to know
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Speaker 2: is we have media advisers attached to every minister in
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Speaker 2: every state and federal government and in local government, the
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Speaker 2: whole thing right, And these people are one hundreds of
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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in a year to advise their ministers
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Speaker 2: about what to say and when to say it, and
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Speaker 2: how to say it, and to field the media inquiries,
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Speaker 2: et cetera.
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Speaker 3: What is wrong with these people.
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Speaker 2: That we are paying with our tax payer dollars hundreds
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Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars that we have to go and
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Speaker 2: get someone externally to come in and tell them how
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Speaker 2: to deal with the media. If the media advisers are
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Speaker 2: not up to it, sack them and get these consultants
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Speaker 2: on a full time wage and have them doing the job.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a very good point, Caleb, and I think
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Speaker 4: that is why you do have media advisors within your team.
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Speaker 4: I think in defense for some of these ministers that
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Speaker 4: are spending I think Jody Harrison's ten.
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Speaker 5: Thousand dollars is way too excessive.
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Speaker 4: You shouldn't need to be spending that much amount of
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Speaker 4: money to go and speak to the media. But I
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Speaker 4: do think in terms of Paul Scully when he's spending
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Speaker 4: four thousand dollars on media training, one thing that we
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Speaker 4: do have to remember is a lot of these people
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Speaker 4: when they put their hand ups to go into politics,
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Speaker 4: you're there to represent your community. Not all of them
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Speaker 4: have been previous lawyers, not all of them have come
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Speaker 4: from a media space.
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Speaker 5: So I don't think it hurts to give.
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Speaker 4: Them a bit of media trainings that they do feel
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Speaker 4: comfortable out there, because you want your member to be
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Speaker 4: articulate in front of the camera and be able to
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Speaker 4: answer questions. So I think as a small amount, whether
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Speaker 4: they need to cap it, ten thousand is way too excessive.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the overall spending of the Ministerial Office in
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Speaker 4: the last financial year was sixty two million, so that's
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Speaker 4: something that needs to be looked at. But I think
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Speaker 4: in terms of media training, I don't have a problem
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Speaker 4: with it, but not ten thousand dollars.
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Speaker 5: They should be a cap.
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Speaker 6: That's what I find quite interesting, right, And so as
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Speaker 6: the Telegraph very fairly says mss Harrison is liked by
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Speaker 6: stakeholders in your portfolio, which is widely said as a
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Speaker 6: poor media performer and in parliamentary question time. So what
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Speaker 6: do you do if you have someone who is actually
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Speaker 6: good at their job but terrible about telling people that
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Speaker 6: they're good at their job, or terrible about the rest.
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Speaker 6: So you've got all the stakeholders say, you know, she's fantastic,
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Speaker 6: she's great, but she's an absolute flop in front of
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Speaker 6: the cameras or a flop on parliamentary question time. And
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Speaker 6: it's kind of and again I'm not sure how much
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Speaker 6: sympthy I have, just because you know, if you're going
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Speaker 6: to go into politics, just spoiler alert, it's a public
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Speaker 6: facing role like you are meant to be able to.
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Speaker 2: I think the answer to that question is you become
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Speaker 2: a bureaucrat, because then you can do all of that
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Speaker 2: world paid more money and not have to talk to
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Speaker 2: the best.
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Speaker 6: But the commons advisors that ministers have, they are not
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Speaker 6: there doing the basic stuff like you know, stand up.
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Speaker 6: I mean maybe they could, but you know, stand up straight.
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Speaker 6: This is how you address a camera. This is how
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Speaker 6: you know, look down the barrel, this is how.
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Speaker 4: You mean, which actually does need training. It's not something
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Speaker 4: that comes naturally to a lot of people to stand
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Speaker 4: there and speak down the barrel. And it is also
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Speaker 4: quite intimidating when you've got a stack of journalists that
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Speaker 4: are standing there firing diferent questions at you. So I
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Speaker 4: don't think it hurts just to have a bit of training.
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Speaker 4: I think ten thousand dollars is extremely excessive, but I
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Speaker 4: do think that we should hope something that I will
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Speaker 4: do it for.
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Speaker 1: Not we'll learn how to do extra.
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Speaker 2: But I can't believe that their media advisors can't do
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Speaker 2: that for them, because most media advisors who work in
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Speaker 2: the government are exjournalists themselves and understand how all of
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Speaker 2: this stuff works, and they should be able to give
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Speaker 2: that advice as part of this salary.
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Speaker 4: Perhaps that's why we cap it, so you're not spending
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Speaker 4: ten thousand dollars you might go have a four thousand
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Speaker 4: dollars a two thousand dollars introduction course, and then the
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Speaker 4: media advisor takes over from that.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to write that on my rate card.
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Speaker 1: Hang on one second.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, by the way, young people, apparently shoplifting is a
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Speaker 2: good thing. Look, there's a study by mon Suit and
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Speaker 2: they have surveyed people across the country and asked them
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Speaker 2: what they think of shoplifting, and apparently about twenty percent
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Speaker 2: or twenty five percent actually of all people in the country.
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Speaker 2: I think that there is a justification in some cases
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Speaker 2: for shoplifting, but if you're eighteen to thirty four, it
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Speaker 2: jumps to fifty four percent. They say, that's the number
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Speaker 2: who say you can take an item without paying. It
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Speaker 2: is justifiable to some extent.
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Speaker 3: And it goes on this.
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Speaker 2: Study to say that a third of people have admitted
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Speaker 2: that when they're dealing with a self service checkout that
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Speaker 2: they've frauded the supermarket in some way. You know, they
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Speaker 2: haven't scanned something, or they've scanned it through something that
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Speaker 2: is cheaper.
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Speaker 3: They also found it.
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Speaker 2: I don't think this particular problem with this, to be
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Speaker 2: perfectly honest, The report found that many shoppers would exploit
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Speaker 2: promotions by faking their child's age to get a cheaper ticket,
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Speaker 2: creating multiple emails to get one off offers, or claiming
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Speaker 2: fake price matches at competitors. Between forty seven and sixty
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Speaker 2: four percent of all shoppers said these acts were justifiable
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Speaker 2: to some extent.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, criminal mastermind, Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: If you can if there are loopholes that you can
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Speaker 2: walk through, I understand why people walk through them. You
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Speaker 2: should probably close them up so people can't use them.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, it does worry me that apparently
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Speaker 2: more than half of young people think it is justifiable
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Speaker 2: to shoplift in some circumstances. But when it comes to
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Speaker 2: the issue of the self service checkouts, if people are
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Speaker 2: ringing through items as a cheaper item. You know, the
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Speaker 2: bananas is an apple, some business like this.
17:20
Speaker 3: To pay less for it.
17:22
Speaker 2: Part of me thinks, well, you know what, the supermarkets
17:25
Speaker 2: deserve it and they get what they ask for because
17:29
Speaker 2: you took away all of the band checkouts. And now
17:33
Speaker 2: you're going, oh my god, how is it possible that
17:36
Speaker 2: people are getting away with theft. Well, if you just
17:39
Speaker 2: gave me a proper checkout and go to where I
17:41
Speaker 2: got interact with a human being.
17:43
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have the opportunity to do it.
17:45
Speaker 2: You did it to get rid of jobs, and now
17:47
Speaker 2: you're complaining that you're not making as much money because people.
17:50
Speaker 1: Are working a way to get around it.
17:52
Speaker 3: You asked for it.
17:53
Speaker 4: It's so true. Aren't they the most frustrating services? Their
17:56
Speaker 4: self service checkout? I don't know how people are able
17:58
Speaker 4: to steal goods because when you if you don't scan something,
18:01
Speaker 4: it sets off that alarm that unrecognized devices in the
18:05
Speaker 4: bagging area, Please remove that item.
18:07
Speaker 5: And it's the most frustrating speriod.
18:08
Speaker 6: It's in a Victorian watchhouse. After learning that lesson the
18:11
Speaker 6: hard way.
18:12
Speaker 4: The one thing that really concerned me though about this
18:14
Speaker 4: study was that for shoppers have said it's fine to
18:18
Speaker 4: write a bad view of bad review so that they
18:20
Speaker 4: can get compensation. Now I thought that was really that's nasty,
18:24
Speaker 4: that's mean, because that also damages a business's reputation.
18:27
Speaker 5: But also sixty percent said.
18:29
Speaker 4: And I'll ask you boys, if a bill was miscalculated,
18:33
Speaker 4: sixty percent said they would just stay quiet. See, I
18:36
Speaker 4: would feel too guilty. I would tell the restaurant if
18:39
Speaker 4: something was incorrect.
18:40
Speaker 1: How would you even know? Do people what was remember?
18:42
Speaker 5: Would itemize?
18:43
Speaker 1: Okay, on a minute, I didn't have the salad. Is
18:47
Speaker 1: that well.
18:50
Speaker 2: You're saying if the bill came in under what it
18:53
Speaker 2: should be, I may raise it if I enjoyed the meal,
18:57
Speaker 2: But if I didn't enjoy the meal, I might go
18:59
Speaker 2: Well if you gives.
19:00
Speaker 6: Us right, you surely when you're paying a restaurant bill, though,
19:03
Speaker 6: isn't that meant to be?
19:04
Speaker 1: Oh it's on me.
19:04
Speaker 6: Here you go and you give a tip and everything,
19:06
Speaker 6: or is that just me when I'm dying?
19:08
Speaker 1: You don't.
19:09
Speaker 3: You don't actually look like.
19:10
Speaker 6: There's actually judos in cudos in beating the supermarkets. And
19:16
Speaker 6: you know what someone said, I'm not a lover of
19:18
Speaker 6: your wholl was yes, I will. Denise Drysdale, we love
19:21
Speaker 6: a bargain, so we used to compare going to supermarkets
19:25
Speaker 6: getting as much bargains as we could on our flybys.
19:27
Speaker 6: Always always get the specials, you know, always buying bulk
19:33
Speaker 6: if anything's on special. Right, I'm a supermarket ninja. I
19:36
Speaker 6: just love hitting that stuff. And Denise Drivesdale once brought
19:39
Speaker 6: in a receipt, so we started getting competitive.
19:42
Speaker 1: So I go.
19:42
Speaker 6: Last year thirty three percent off everything, bottom line, blah
19:45
Speaker 6: bla blah, and then and it would get more and
19:47
Speaker 6: more heated.
19:48
Speaker 1: She ends up bringing in a receipt.
19:50
Speaker 6: When I was on Studio Tan and says, just puts
19:52
Speaker 6: it in front of me, goes more than fifty percent off.
19:56
Speaker 6: She had actually saved. She had paid less than half
20:00
Speaker 6: of the sticker price for her goods.
20:03
Speaker 1: So I don't get in her way.
20:04
Speaker 6: If you're say her at Aldi by the way and
20:07
Speaker 6: Dan Murphy's you're taking your life into your hair.
20:09
Speaker 1: But this isn't actually new about.
20:12
Speaker 6: When I was a student newspaper editor in the nineteen nineties,
20:17
Speaker 6: there was an infamous case with the Latrobe University student
20:22
Speaker 6: magazine or newspaper called Rabelais, and they published an article
20:28
Speaker 6: called the Art of Shoplifting and actually ran. It was
20:32
Speaker 6: this huge controversy. We all thought it was hilarius dumbin
20:35
Speaker 6: I think, as we're all student socialists. I think all
20:38
Speaker 6: the other newspapers republished it in solidarity, and it was
20:42
Speaker 6: a massive thing. Jeff Kennett was obviously filthy about it
20:45
Speaker 6: and everything. I think they did some other stuff. We're
20:47
Speaker 6: putting his face in a crosshairs as well, which is
20:49
Speaker 6: very ugly.
20:50
Speaker 1: So this is.
20:51
Speaker 6: Something I think that young people have been doing for
20:54
Speaker 6: a long long The five finger discount, I think is nothing.
20:58
Speaker 4: He threw my concern out the window one in four,
21:00
Speaker 4: thinking that it's justifiable to go and shoplift and shopliftings
21:05
Speaker 4: a twenty one year high. I thought, or maybe we've
21:07
Speaker 4: created a generation of entitled people.
21:09
Speaker 5: But according to you, Joe, it's just a.
21:11
Speaker 1: Lifelong lawless criminals. Jamie, that's a take home message.
21:17
Speaker 5: Well, let's move overseas now.
21:19
Speaker 4: And former Prime Minister Boris Johnson has come out and
21:22
Speaker 4: said that his push towards net zero was potentially a
21:26
Speaker 4: bit too far and too fast, and these are his
21:29
Speaker 4: probably most outspoken comments against this policy of which he championed.
21:34
Speaker 5: He said that he got carried away by.
21:36
Speaker 4: The idea of renewable energy and he thought this could
21:40
Speaker 4: replace fossil fuels, but as a result electricity is too
21:44
Speaker 4: expensive for ordinary people. And this comes just as last
21:49
Speaker 4: week the Conservative leader has announced it she will scrap
21:51
Speaker 4: the Climate Change Act if she becomes Prime minister, but
21:55
Speaker 4: Boris Johnson has said this would be a catastrophic mistake
21:57
Speaker 4: if she did go down this path, instead, saying don't
22:02
Speaker 4: abolish net zero let's just push out the target of
22:05
Speaker 4: trying to reach that. But he did say, and I
22:07
Speaker 4: don't think anyone's overly surprised by the fact that as
22:10
Speaker 4: renewables have been entered into the grid for the UK,
22:14
Speaker 4: energy prices have been going through the roof.
22:16
Speaker 6: So it can't be right, Jamie, because Ed Milliban, the
22:19
Speaker 6: Zero secretary and our former party leader, I believe, promise
22:22
Speaker 6: that energy bills would come down by three hundred pounds
22:26
Speaker 6: by twenty third.
22:27
Speaker 4: Haven't we heard, well four two hundred and seventy five
22:29
Speaker 4: dollars I believe, well.
22:30
Speaker 6: Well, if it is my bit of media training, never
22:33
Speaker 6: give exact figures.
22:34
Speaker 1: Never give exact figures.
22:35
Speaker 6: Never give something that people can pin on you and
22:37
Speaker 6: then you can't wiggle out of.
22:38
Speaker 1: Always give yourself a back door.
22:40
Speaker 6: It's like when you're leading a team of crack commandos.
22:43
Speaker 6: You never go into a building until you already know
22:46
Speaker 6: how you're going to go out.
22:47
Speaker 1: Mostly I know that for my time.
22:49
Speaker 2: Indeed, it's not too helpful if you want to know
22:52
Speaker 2: how far the power bills are going down. We've got
22:55
Speaker 2: Boris Johnson here now, I believe live.
23:03
Speaker 9: Now.
23:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all good and well for Boris Johnson now
23:13
Speaker 2: after he's been Prime minister say oh, look, I'm very
23:15
Speaker 2: sorry we went too hard.
23:17
Speaker 3: On net zero. I was.
23:19
Speaker 2: I was so disappointed with Johnson because I thought he'd
23:22
Speaker 2: make a great prime minister and a great leader for
23:25
Speaker 2: the Tories, and then on stuff like this he just
23:28
Speaker 2: sort of gave in. And much like we've talked about
23:31
Speaker 2: with the Liberal Party, if you end up with no
23:34
Speaker 2: point of difference, what's the point in buying the cut
23:36
Speaker 2: price version when you can buy the proper version, which
23:40
Speaker 2: is the Labor Party. And they did that in large
23:42
Speaker 2: numbers in the UK, and they have a.
23:44
Speaker 1: Bit of buyers regret.
23:46
Speaker 2: They've got a bit of barers regret about that.
23:48
Speaker 3: But you know, they should have.
23:49
Speaker 2: Been able to see this coming. It's not as though
23:52
Speaker 2: we didn't already know the consequences of going too hard
23:56
Speaker 2: on zero. And I think what he says is right
23:59
Speaker 2: is that you you can't get rid of the idea
24:02
Speaker 2: of zero entirely because then you get caught in the
24:05
Speaker 2: weeds and climate denial and all this sort of business. Right,
24:07
Speaker 2: but you say we're going to do it in a
24:09
Speaker 2: way that makes sense economically for the people of the nation.
24:14
Speaker 3: I lead, what is wrong with that nothing.
24:19
Speaker 4: And that's something that we're lacking in our country is
24:21
Speaker 4: the ability to have these debates without being called a
24:24
Speaker 4: climate denier. There is nothing wrong with saying, hey, perhaps
24:27
Speaker 4: our green energy transition right now is not the right
24:31
Speaker 4: way forward. Let's take our blinkers off. Albow and Chris Bowen,
24:34
Speaker 4: take your blinkers off and lift the moratorium so that
24:37
Speaker 4: we can actually have nuclear as part of the discussion.
24:39
Speaker 5: Let the market decide.
24:40
Speaker 4: Let's start having an informed debate, Let's stop debating on faith,
24:43
Speaker 4: Let's start debating on logic and actually be allowed to
24:46
Speaker 4: have some conversations around it.
24:47
Speaker 1: I think that is the problem.
24:48
Speaker 6: And the problem is that for both sides, there are
24:50
Speaker 6: elements on the hard left and the hard right for
24:53
Speaker 6: whom this is an article of faith. And I know,
24:55
Speaker 6: if you're watching, you know, Paul Murray before you would
24:58
Speaker 6: have seen, you know, the debate over whether or not
25:01
Speaker 6: the Liberal Party abandons net zero or sticks with net zero,
25:05
Speaker 6: and whether or not, you know, those in the parties
25:08
Speaker 6: who are opposed to it would actually be able to
25:10
Speaker 6: even stay in the party and shut up and try
25:12
Speaker 6: to get to an election victory without just tearing the
25:16
Speaker 6: joint apart. Over it, which is exactly what is happening now.
25:19
Speaker 6: And again you have lunatics on the left as well.
25:22
Speaker 5: Say oh no, we've got to send more targets.
25:25
Speaker 6: Which of course completely knows the fact that it doesn't
25:27
Speaker 6: matter what the target is if you're not going to
25:29
Speaker 6: get to it, or you're not physically going to be.
25:32
Speaker 1: Able to build all the renewable.
25:34
Speaker 6: Power, or it's going to be so onerous that it's
25:37
Speaker 6: going to be politically impossible to get to because people's
25:40
Speaker 6: power bills are so high. So whatever, In a way,
25:43
Speaker 6: the target will always just find itself because it's going
25:45
Speaker 6: to be whatever people will bear. But what people cannot
25:49
Speaker 6: bear in the UK, it seems, is the constant protesting
25:53
Speaker 6: about absolutely everything. We know there is a Gaza protest
25:56
Speaker 6: every other Tuesday, every other nanosecond, every half hour, and
26:01
Speaker 6: we know that in NUSA, in Victoria, the CBD is
26:04
Speaker 6: overrun every single weekend by these repeat protesters, and there
26:08
Speaker 6: are talks about whether or not these protests can be
26:11
Speaker 6: banned or restricted or stopped or just in some way.
26:14
Speaker 6: I said, no, you can't take over the CBD every
26:18
Speaker 6: single weekend. And guess what in the UK, that is
26:22
Speaker 6: exactly what they have done. They're introducing new laws that
26:25
Speaker 6: are going to say that if you are a site
26:28
Speaker 6: where which has been the subject of repeat protest, there's
26:31
Speaker 6: time and time and time again, authorities will be able
26:35
Speaker 6: to say, actually, no, you've hit your protest quote out,
26:38
Speaker 6: you can't do it anymore. Here is the Home Secretary
26:40
Speaker 6: Shabana Mahmoud explaining this decision.
26:44
Speaker 10: Those types of protests with cumulative disruption for communities can
26:48
Speaker 10: attract the same conditions and restrictions that apply to other
26:52
Speaker 10: types of protests. This is not about a man. This
26:54
Speaker 10: is about restrictions and conditions that will enable the police
26:58
Speaker 10: to maybe put further time restrictions, move those protests to
27:01
Speaker 10: other places.
27:03
Speaker 1: So there you go.
27:04
Speaker 6: Sensible policies for a happier Britain or an unforgivable crackdown
27:08
Speaker 6: on free speech and freedom of expression, which the left
27:10
Speaker 6: suddenly seems to have discovered as something important these days.
27:14
Speaker 3: Is interesting.
27:14
Speaker 2: Is I think there is justifications from I must say
27:17
Speaker 2: there are elements of it I find really troubling, which
27:20
Speaker 2: is that the penalty for breaking the rule if they
27:24
Speaker 2: designate you can't protest is six months in jail and
27:27
Speaker 2: an unlimited five Yes, like the possibility that a court
27:31
Speaker 2: could say you as two billion dollars Like I know,
27:35
Speaker 2: it sounds ridiculous, but there are reasons. We have guidelines
27:38
Speaker 2: for this stuff and unlimited five. So of all the
27:41
Speaker 2: crimes in the United Kingdom that you ought to be
27:45
Speaker 2: fined an unlimited amount of money, they're going to say
27:49
Speaker 2: going to a protest when you were told not to,
27:51
Speaker 2: is it? I think that is just completely off kilter
27:55
Speaker 2: and needs to be done away with immediately. But the
27:58
Speaker 2: idea that if you keep protesting week after week after
28:00
Speaker 2: week on the same issue, and of course we spend
28:03
Speaker 2: public money to police these things, and you're holding up
28:06
Speaker 2: parks and whatever, if the coppers at the very least
28:10
Speaker 2: say you have to protest in a different location in future,
28:14
Speaker 2: and if you keep doing it, we're going to tell
28:16
Speaker 2: you to stop after a while, we get the picture,
28:19
Speaker 2: don't you do. We have to keep spending the public
28:22
Speaker 2: money on police to look after these lunaties.
28:24
Speaker 5: Yeah.
28:25
Speaker 4: I was very much in an integrans with everything that
28:28
Speaker 4: you said that it's not about on protest but just
28:30
Speaker 4: about restrictions and conditions. But I was the same as
28:33
Speaker 4: you when I saw that the fine was unlimited. I
28:35
Speaker 4: thought First of all, I was reading a typo and
28:37
Speaker 4: actually went and looked at a different article and no,
28:39
Speaker 4: it is definitely an unlimited fine.
28:41
Speaker 5: But I think things like.
28:42
Speaker 4: This will be great and I would be interested to
28:45
Speaker 4: see if Australia will bring something in similar. And I
28:48
Speaker 4: use the example of what's potentially going to happen next
28:51
Speaker 4: weekend on October twelve with the pro Palestinian march is
28:55
Speaker 4: wanting to be on the Opera House steps and police
28:57
Speaker 4: said no, it's too dangerous, and they then take it
29:00
Speaker 4: to court. I think it's times like that when police
29:02
Speaker 4: and guidelines and law should come into place to say,
29:05
Speaker 4: if that's a site that is out of bounds, whether
29:07
Speaker 4: it's the bridge or the Opera house, that should just
29:10
Speaker 4: be a no go. And if police say no, then
29:13
Speaker 4: we should be respecting their decision.
29:15
Speaker 1: I think the reason for and I'm just guessing. I
29:17
Speaker 1: don't have.
29:19
Speaker 6: Many sources in the UK government, but I'm guessing that
29:22
Speaker 6: this is as a bulwark. Again, if it was just
29:25
Speaker 6: a sort of set peppercorn penalty, say you know, a
29:27
Speaker 6: few thousand pounds or a few hundred pounds or whatever,
29:30
Speaker 6: I think the problem would be that that would then
29:33
Speaker 6: mean that very very rich people would be able to
29:35
Speaker 6: bank roll very high visibility protests that they know would
29:38
Speaker 6: get lots of coverage because of course people people would
29:42
Speaker 6: cover it because it.
29:43
Speaker 1: Is illegal, because they were breaking the law.
29:45
Speaker 6: And so you could have someone like an Elon mask
29:48
Speaker 6: or a political active billionaire on the left being able
29:52
Speaker 6: to say, well, that's great, I'll just wear the fine
29:56
Speaker 6: and because it means nothing to me, and still get
29:58
Speaker 6: all the publicity because I care so much about powers.
30:01
Speaker 5: Do you take it seriously though? When it's down as
30:03
Speaker 5: an unlimited fine, I think.
30:04
Speaker 4: If you had like a five hundred thousand dollars people
30:07
Speaker 4: might take it a little bit more serious.
30:09
Speaker 6: But I think that if a judge was given the
30:13
Speaker 6: discretion of being able to say, right, we can penalize
30:16
Speaker 6: you any amount of money we want to stop you
30:19
Speaker 6: from continuing to do this, if it could look at
30:22
Speaker 6: Elon Musk and say, well, now the penalty is ten
30:25
Speaker 6: million dollars, but for some poor old you know, anti
30:28
Speaker 6: vaxer on a street corner, it's one hundred. I think
30:32
Speaker 6: I think that's what it's trying to do. But it
30:34
Speaker 6: does sound very often powers, isn't it.
30:36
Speaker 1: The penalty for protesting is on Liberton.
30:40
Speaker 3: And now I don't know about you. I'm not a
30:42
Speaker 3: squash player.
30:43
Speaker 2: I don't play mini sports at all, to be perfectly frank,
30:46
Speaker 2: but I don't know about you, Jamie.
30:48
Speaker 3: What do you get able to?
30:49
Speaker 4: So I haven't played a lot of squash, but I
30:52
Speaker 4: still am very sad about the news that's coming out
30:55
Speaker 4: that is squashed dead as a sport. And the reason
30:59
Speaker 4: why this is making headlines is because in North Sydney,
31:02
Speaker 4: the Wallaby Willoughby Squash Court is the only double squash
31:06
Speaker 4: court left in Sydney and it's set to close for
31:08
Speaker 4: a redevelopment of the site. And squash is also not
31:12
Speaker 4: in the upcoming Commonwealth Games, which is worth flagging. But
31:15
Speaker 4: Australia isn't okay at the wind squash and we're out
31:18
Speaker 4: on the world stage. So it is sad when you
31:20
Speaker 4: see sports that are no longer as popular. But the
31:23
Speaker 4: reason why squash isn't as popular now is other sports
31:27
Speaker 4: are taking over, like pickleball, for example, which is fantastic
31:30
Speaker 4: and that is definitely one I would recommend.
31:33
Speaker 5: So pickaball is a mixture.
31:34
Speaker 4: Of tennis, squash, bit of table tennis. It's the paddle
31:39
Speaker 4: looks a bit like a table tennis paddle. But there
31:41
Speaker 4: is another sport that Caleb has found that is also
31:44
Speaker 4: taking over the courts.
31:46
Speaker 3: It's called paddle or padle.
31:48
Speaker 2: It's a pad e l And this is so you've
31:50
Speaker 2: got the story going on in Sydney that they're taking
31:52
Speaker 2: away the squash courts, and then there's in Adelaide there's
31:54
Speaker 2: all these people complaining that they're about to rip out
31:57
Speaker 2: a tennis court, public tennis courts at Athleston in the
32:01
Speaker 2: northeastern suburbs, and they're going to replace it with these
32:03
Speaker 2: paddle courts. Whatever the hell paddle is. I've not heard
32:07
Speaker 2: of it until today. So what's with all these sports
32:09
Speaker 2: coming in and taking over the traditional racket sports?
32:13
Speaker 1: Possible?
32:13
Speaker 6: Is it possible that squash hasn't died or gone away
32:16
Speaker 6: at all. It's just secretly changed its name and has
32:19
Speaker 6: assumed a new identity and is now.
32:21
Speaker 1: It's infiltrating.
32:24
Speaker 2: The only pickleball I've looked at. It actually looks quite fai,
32:28
Speaker 2: but it has a terrible name. That's my aversion to me,
32:32
Speaker 2: who you're not?
32:32
Speaker 3: Who doing you take? Seriously?
32:34
Speaker 2: Like if someone says, you know, I play tennis, oh
32:36
Speaker 2: I play squash? I play badminton as I play pickleball.
32:40
Speaker 5: The hell is pickleball?
32:42
Speaker 6: I think even once you get to badminton, you really,
32:44
Speaker 6: you know you're not going to get street cred on
32:46
Speaker 6: maybe on the corners of Baltimore. If you say I
32:48
Speaker 6: played some pretty bad badminton, maybe not. Don't mess with
32:52
Speaker 6: me on bray.
32:54
Speaker 3: I just I can't. If you say pickleble, I just
32:56
Speaker 3: can't take it. Seriously. They need to do something about that.
32:58
Speaker 1: Have you ever played beer pong?
33:00
Speaker 3: A of course I played beer pong.
33:01
Speaker 1: That's build ball, very good.
33:05
Speaker 2: I'm going to call it that in future speaking of
33:08
Speaker 2: people who are playing beer pong for fun, because well,
33:10
Speaker 2: they're making a lot of money. The bureaucrats in the
33:12
Speaker 2: education system, now, you would think that if you are
33:17
Speaker 2: in charge of you're the secretary for the Education Department,
33:20
Speaker 2: and we know the problems we've had in terms of
33:22
Speaker 2: academic results in this country in recent years, you might
33:25
Speaker 2: have a few KPIs you need to hit before you
33:28
Speaker 2: can get a pay rise.
33:30
Speaker 3: Well not if you're Tony Cook.
33:32
Speaker 2: He's the secretary of the federal Education Department.
33:36
Speaker 3: Now.
33:36
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen twenty he was raking in six hundred
33:40
Speaker 2: and thirty six thousand dollars, which is pretty good market
33:43
Speaker 2: on that, pretty good money in any case.
33:45
Speaker 1: Been Camber property prize terrible, isn't it?
33:47
Speaker 2: What do you think he was earning by twenty twenty
33:50
Speaker 2: three twenty four, nine hundred and twenty three thousand dollars,
33:54
Speaker 2: He had a pay rise of more than forty percent
33:58
Speaker 2: in those few years.
34:00
Speaker 3: Are you justified?
34:00
Speaker 2: He's got four deputies who are each on five hundred
34:03
Speaker 2: and one thousand dollars a year. How do you justify
34:09
Speaker 2: being paid that much money? And again I'm going to
34:12
Speaker 2: go back to Yes, Prime ministrating the answer.
34:15
Speaker 8: The problem is the MPs are being denied the pay
34:19
Speaker 8: rise they've been expecting, just at the moment that we're
34:21
Speaker 8: due to bring forward the proposed civil service pay rise.
34:24
Speaker 1: Ah, that's an awkward one.
34:26
Speaker 9: Yes, I mean, obviously one isn't interested for oneself, but
34:31
Speaker 9: one does it to one's junior colleagues, do everything one can, Ironic,
34:35
Speaker 9: isn't it, Frank?
34:36
Speaker 1: Trying to help them involves raising our.
34:39
Speaker 9: Own salaries, which we don't care about at all, And
34:43
Speaker 9: then we get accused of feathering our own nests.
34:46
Speaker 8: Well, that's just another cross we have to bat.
34:48
Speaker 3: Yes, terrible, isn't it?
34:52
Speaker 2: But seriously they should he should have a KPI that
34:55
Speaker 2: you've got to improve standards before you can get a
34:58
Speaker 2: payrose of forty percent, that's what it.
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Speaker 6: Surely this is performance pay Surely the generation because this
35:05
Speaker 6: is often where the Federal Education Department comes in because
35:09
Speaker 6: it has oversight of our university system.
35:12
Speaker 1: So surely it's.
35:13
Speaker 6: Because the quality of the training and education of our
35:18
Speaker 6: teachers as at such record high levels that they are
35:22
Speaker 6: emerging more highly qualified than ever before. Surely, can't tell
35:27
Speaker 6: me you don't have I wish that was true. Yes,
35:30
Speaker 6: three thousand teaching students failed to pass a vital literacy
35:33
Speaker 6: test on the first go, meaning that they are outperformed
35:37
Speaker 6: by a typical ninth grader.
35:40
Speaker 1: New figures revealed results of twenty.
35:41
Speaker 6: Twenty four show just eighty eight point one percent of
35:44
Speaker 6: aspiring teachers past the literacy component of the Literacy and
35:48
Speaker 6: Numeracy test for initial teacher education.
35:51
Speaker 1: That is Landtai.
35:52
Speaker 6: Don't you know you meant to choose the acronym first
35:54
Speaker 6: and then work backwards so you don't end up with
35:56
Speaker 6: a stupid name and nobody can remember or understand. And
35:59
Speaker 6: that is down from a high of ninety three point
36:03
Speaker 6: three in twenty sixteen, so that is a drop of
36:07
Speaker 6: about five percent more in fact, in just eight years.
36:11
Speaker 4: So it doesn't look like they keep But the issue
36:15
Speaker 4: is as well, they can just keep taking that test
36:17
Speaker 4: over and over and over and over again until they
36:18
Speaker 4: finally pass. So it's I guess just tenth time lucky
36:23
Speaker 4: is when you might better get through. But I think
36:24
Speaker 4: it also starts with the atar of the teaching degree
36:28
Speaker 4: is seventy, but for some diplomas you only need a
36:31
Speaker 4: forty to be able to go in and study teaching.
36:33
Speaker 4: So perhaps it's something that needs to be addressed early
36:36
Speaker 4: on in the piece.
36:37
Speaker 1: Believe it they are actually doing.
36:38
Speaker 6: I talked to Jason Claire a lot about this other
36:40
Speaker 6: and they are fixing this stuff up.
36:41
Speaker 1: But that is exactly the problem.
36:42
Speaker 6: Teaching has become the sort of degree you do when
36:45
Speaker 6: you can't get into anything else, and that, of course
36:47
Speaker 6: the last people you want to become teaching. So then
36:49
Speaker 6: they're graduating and they're burning out immediately because they're not
36:52
Speaker 6: equipped to deal with the precious they face in the classroom.
36:54
Speaker 1: But that is now turning around.
36:57
Speaker 2: Two percent of people who want to be teachers can't
36:58
Speaker 2: pass a basic literacy.
37:00
Speaker 3: We have some serious problems to do with.
37:02
Speaker 2: After the break, we'll get into the papers on the
37:03
Speaker 2: front of the Olds tomorrow, the Union where it's apparently
37:06
Speaker 2: tradition they say to give people payouts. They're not entitled
37:10
Speaker 2: to that before. How's this for strange things I do
37:20
Speaker 2: in the ad break?
37:21
Speaker 1: Right?
37:22
Speaker 2: I am addicted to marketplace and now addicted to auctions
37:26
Speaker 2: and all sorts of stuff. I'm scrolling along and it's
37:29
Speaker 2: come up.
37:29
Speaker 3: An old PDA. You remember a.
37:31
Speaker 2: PDA Personal diary assistant every business person, you say, a
37:34
Speaker 2: wonderfore smartphones. Someone's trying to sell one, saying it's vintage.
37:37
Speaker 3: There what eighty bucks for it? Got the things you
37:40
Speaker 3: can flog these days.
37:41
Speaker 2: Let's get into the papers on the front of the
37:43
Speaker 2: Australian tomorrow, all about P and G fees. Exploit lucky
37:48
Speaker 2: country poes, I should say, explot lucky country restraints. Australia's
37:52
Speaker 2: adversaries are taking advantage of the nation's preference for restraint
37:56
Speaker 2: and de escalation as the global military balance shifts against
37:59
Speaker 2: the West. The nation's top national security official has warned
38:03
Speaker 2: to stark address to the Australian Japan Business Conference in
38:06
Speaker 2: Perth months before his term ends, The Office of National
38:09
Speaker 2: Intelligence Director General Andrew Shearer said Australia security environment was
38:13
Speaker 2: rapidly deteriorating as China and other authoritarian regimes sought to
38:17
Speaker 2: distract and divide US and chip away at our resolve,
38:20
Speaker 2: and that of course came as today we signed the
38:24
Speaker 2: deal with P and G, which means now we have
38:28
Speaker 2: a military pact with them like we do with the
38:31
Speaker 2: US and New Zealand. Right, so they are now on
38:34
Speaker 2: board as one of our serious allies. And the China
38:37
Speaker 2: thing comes into it because of course that's what we're
38:39
Speaker 2: basically trying to fight.
38:41
Speaker 3: Off with P and G.
38:42
Speaker 2: So inking this today is a good thing. But long term,
38:48
Speaker 2: does it really stop the fight against China in the Pacific.
38:52
Speaker 4: Well that's going to be an interesting one to watch
38:54
Speaker 4: out for. But it looks as though we will have
38:56
Speaker 4: about ten thousand troops from P and G come and
38:59
Speaker 4: join the ag F.
39:00
Speaker 5: Is great, Yeah, which is which would be great.
39:02
Speaker 4: I mean also probably slightly sad in a way that
39:05
Speaker 4: we can't fill the signing our own locals, But you
39:08
Speaker 4: know that's fine.
39:09
Speaker 6: That's great, and it means that obviously, like with the
39:12
Speaker 6: ancestreating said, if anyone attacks PMNG, that is an attack
39:17
Speaker 6: on us. And if anyone attacks us and that hopefully
39:20
Speaker 6: will stop China doing what it's been previously doing, is
39:23
Speaker 6: picking off poorer or impoverished nations and in veiling itself
39:27
Speaker 6: there like it did with the Solomons. So P and
39:30
Speaker 6: G can't really allow that to happen now under the.
39:33
Speaker 1: Terms of the new agreement. So I think it's a
39:36
Speaker 1: fantastic one.
39:36
Speaker 2: Another story on the front of Yours to morrow, sick
39:38
Speaker 2: union payday is a tradition, a tradition I'm aware of,
39:42
Speaker 2: But anyway, they're in the wrong union, man, I know
39:45
Speaker 2: the a what a useless pack of people layer anyway,
39:48
Speaker 2: sow I'm not a member. The former long serving president
39:51
Speaker 2: of the Queensland Police Union, Ian Levers, has revealed it
39:54
Speaker 2: was tradition quote unquote to give certain departing union officials
39:58
Speaker 2: and staff payouts they were not legally owed, including for
40:02
Speaker 2: unused sick leave, as he fights to justify his bid
40:05
Speaker 2: for more five hundred thousand dollars in entitlements after quitting
40:10
Speaker 2: the job last year. Mister Levers was president of the
40:13
Speaker 2: powerful police union for fifteen years before his surprise appointment
40:17
Speaker 2: by the former Miles Labor government as Queensland's first cross
40:20
Speaker 2: Border Commissioner just before the October state election.
40:23
Speaker 3: Now mister de Levers has launched.
40:24
Speaker 2: A legal fight for five hundred and two thousand dollars payout,
40:27
Speaker 2: revised down from an initial claim earlier this year, for
40:30
Speaker 2: almost eight hundred grand in cash plus the union four
40:34
Speaker 2: wheel drive he once drove coming. Because he's saying he's
40:38
Speaker 2: accrued all of these, including a sickly one hundred and
40:41
Speaker 2: eighty grand of it, and apparently it's just tradition that
40:45
Speaker 2: the union pays this out, even though there's no legal
40:49
Speaker 2: basis for doing so.
40:50
Speaker 3: So why wouldn't he get five.
40:52
Speaker 1: Hundred Well, it'll be this cab.
40:53
Speaker 6: If it was traditioned for the union to already pay
40:56
Speaker 6: out these vast sums of money, would he have already
40:59
Speaker 6: received here?
41:00
Speaker 1: Why is he going to go to court or the court?
41:03
Speaker 1: But that is amazing.
41:04
Speaker 6: I was not I knew about Christmas, I knew about Easter,
41:09
Speaker 6: I even heard of Thanksgiving, But this is one tradition
41:12
Speaker 6: I must have completely passed me by.
41:15
Speaker 4: It is funny though, because it does say that he
41:17
Speaker 4: is facing resistance from the unions because they've now said
41:21
Speaker 4: there's no more further special deals for high ranking officials.
41:24
Speaker 1: No unions are holding out against their tradition. What part
41:28
Speaker 1: of tradition don't they understand.
41:30
Speaker 3: Drawing a line in the set?
41:31
Speaker 1: I mean, this man is a hero. He even better
41:34
Speaker 1: than anyone knows.
41:35
Speaker 6: What these you know, these the hard working police officers.
41:39
Speaker 1: Union dues should be spent on. It's tradition. He's been there. Oh,
41:44
Speaker 1: this is out.
41:44
Speaker 6: This is an injustice. I just cannot tolerate the poor.
41:47
Speaker 6: You know, you think you think you've got problems. You
41:50
Speaker 6: know here I'm worried about, you know, paying the mortgage
41:53
Speaker 6: or you know, earning a living or.
41:54
Speaker 3: You could be a unionist five und.
41:58
Speaker 6: I need to invent a tradition where I no longer
42:00
Speaker 6: pay my mortgage. Oh no, don't you know it's a tradition.
42:05
Speaker 2: That you could say the traditional owners.
42:08
Speaker 1: That's very tradition.
42:10
Speaker 3: And now you can't pay the mortgage because you don't.
42:12
Speaker 6: Know, right, I'm sorry, if I pay off the rest
42:14
Speaker 6: of my house, that would be a hate crime.
42:16
Speaker 1: Anyway.
42:17
Speaker 6: To the Daily Telegraphs that got this absolute crackerjack of
42:19
Speaker 6: a yarn by James Willis, who is one of our
42:23
Speaker 6: best and was talking to him about it just three
42:26
Speaker 6: weeks ago, so he's obviously taken his time filing. James,
42:29
Speaker 6: next time, try and get something out for the Hour, mate. Anyway,
42:32
Speaker 6: church or cult, the Daily Telegraph is invited inside the
42:37
Speaker 6: secret world of the Plymouth Brethren. So what happened was
42:43
Speaker 6: James went not really undercover because he was invited, but
42:46
Speaker 6: he basically, you know, the exclusive Brethren, or the people
42:49
Speaker 6: who were so controversial during the election campaign. They did
42:53
Speaker 6: a lot of campaigning for the Liberal Party, but they're
42:56
Speaker 6: actually not allowed to vote in elections because they believe
43:00
Speaker 6: that everything happens because God ordains it, and so to
43:04
Speaker 6: vote one way or another would be to sort of
43:07
Speaker 6: undermine or second guess God's plan or wisdom, which does
43:12
Speaker 6: beg the question why you would be out there handing
43:14
Speaker 6: out how to vote cards and flyers.
43:15
Speaker 1: But hey, I'm no, I'm no theologian.
43:20
Speaker 5: But what's James in there for?
43:22
Speaker 6: So he went in there and they said, look, here's
43:25
Speaker 6: and I don't know how he got this access. He's
43:27
Speaker 6: a gun reporter obviously, but he went in there and
43:30
Speaker 6: it basically spent a kind of day in the life
43:33
Speaker 6: or whatever, and went out and these guys got all
43:35
Speaker 6: these crazy rules. So there's the voting one as well.
43:38
Speaker 6: They're not allowed to that. No one could eat in
43:40
Speaker 6: front of me because they're not allowed to eat in
43:42
Speaker 6: front of people who are not members, because there's a
43:45
Speaker 6: passage in the Bible somewhere that says you should only
43:46
Speaker 6: break bread with you know, your fellow well brethren. So
43:51
Speaker 6: all this, all this stuff. They're not allowed to watch
43:55
Speaker 6: movies or like stuff. We'll listen to music, I don't think,
43:59
Speaker 6: or not anything that's not sort of expressly pure and
44:02
Speaker 6: religious and stuff. But other than that, they're just like
44:05
Speaker 6: you and me.
44:06
Speaker 2: And I think what's prompted all of this is four
44:08
Speaker 2: Corners did a piece on the involvement of the Brethren
44:11
Speaker 2: in the election campaign. But to pick up a copy
44:13
Speaker 2: of the Telly Tomorrow and maze out to what James
44:16
Speaker 2: Willison covered in his travails.
44:18
Speaker 4: Well, let's have a look now at the front page
44:20
Speaker 4: of tomorrow's Herald Son.
44:22
Speaker 5: Where none of your business.
44:25
Speaker 4: Victorian businesses have slammed the state government's proposal to legislate
44:29
Speaker 4: a mandatory right to work from home, with leading industry
44:32
Speaker 4: chiefs urging Premier just Into Alan to abandon the idea,
44:36
Speaker 4: which is not surprising guys.
44:37
Speaker 5: I just also think in a.
44:38
Speaker 4: Time where productivity, we're trying to encourage productivity wherever we
44:43
Speaker 4: can by having a four day working from homework, I don't.
44:45
Speaker 5: Think doing that.
44:48
Speaker 4: But also the risk here is that jobs are going
44:50
Speaker 4: to be left from Victoria and they'll be moved into state.
44:53
Speaker 5: So I think this is a disaster of an idea.
44:55
Speaker 2: Well, that might actually be a great thing, to be
44:56
Speaker 2: perfectly honest, to take the jobs away from Victoria given
44:59
Speaker 2: to someone else.
45:00
Speaker 6: I actually I actually proposed in my peace comparing Victoria
45:03
Speaker 6: in New South Wales that New South Wales would actually
45:05
Speaker 6: have to adopt an open border policy and to accept
45:10
Speaker 6: all the refugees from that's coming across May. They may
45:14
Speaker 6: actually have to they may have to take boats because
45:17
Speaker 6: of course all their cars have been stolen.
45:19
Speaker 3: Maybe so maybe you can apply for asylum seeker status.
45:22
Speaker 1: That's right. I think this is one one place where
45:25
Speaker 1: it would be very generous.
45:26
Speaker 2: Story on the front of the towns with bullets and tomorrow,
45:28
Speaker 2: North Queensland's reprieve as victim numbers dropped six point six percent.
45:33
Speaker 1: What a great move.
45:34
Speaker 2: Fourteen thousand crimes and falling. The latest government data has
45:37
Speaker 2: revealed just how many crimes Queensland kids have been charged
45:40
Speaker 2: with under adult crime Adult Time legislation. As the numbers
45:44
Speaker 2: of victims in towns will start to drop, So I
45:46
Speaker 2: mean six point six percent, I suppose it's a start, isn't.
45:49
Speaker 5: It's a start.
45:50
Speaker 4: It's better to read the headline it's dropped six point
45:52
Speaker 4: six than gone up by six point six. I think
45:54
Speaker 4: Victoria would be loving to have a headline like it.
45:56
Speaker 1: That's right.
45:56
Speaker 6: You're definitely not going in that direction in Victoria. So
45:59
Speaker 6: it's strange, isn't when you actually crack down on.
46:01
Speaker 1: Crime, Well, it got down.
46:03
Speaker 2: And this is what I can't understand about Victoria is
46:05
Speaker 2: that I've never seen a government or an opposition run
46:10
Speaker 2: on an anti crime bandwagon then do badly.
46:13
Speaker 3: Out of it.
46:13
Speaker 2: So it would seem like a pretty straightforward thing for
46:15
Speaker 2: them to get on board with. After the break, the
46:18
Speaker 2: Broncos won the NRL Grand Final last night, but now
46:21
Speaker 2: they're in trouble for the way they celebrated. They might
46:23
Speaker 2: copy fine, what did they do?
46:25
Speaker 3: We'll show you in a moment.
46:31
Speaker 1: Now.
46:31
Speaker 2: Look, I know you were probably watching the NRL Grand
46:34
Speaker 2: Final last night, watching Joe and Me on the Sunday Showdown.
46:39
Speaker 2: You can always go and watch it on the Sky
46:41
Speaker 2: News app. Go to Skynewsaustralia dot com or sky News
46:44
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46:47
Speaker 2: You can watch anything anytime there. But the Broncos stunning
46:50
Speaker 2: win celebrated in spectacular fashion. Afterwards they went back to
46:55
Speaker 2: the good old times and now they're in trouble.
46:58
Speaker 1: What did they do side the shed?
47:00
Speaker 6: It was hard to catch your breath after lighting things
47:03
Speaker 6: up on the field.
47:05
Speaker 2: The Broncos did the same offer the man at the moment,
47:08
Speaker 2: celebrating with family. Sorry, proud and he deserves it, deserves it.
47:13
Speaker 1: And this around your around. This is one of the
47:16
Speaker 1: biggest teams ever in the game.
47:21
Speaker 2: I mean, so what now they've been threatened with fines
47:24
Speaker 2: for having lit up cigars after the match.
47:27
Speaker 3: It's a cigar, for God's sake. Who cares.
47:30
Speaker 2: You're won the Grand Final. You deserve to be able
47:32
Speaker 2: to have a puff on a cigar.
47:33
Speaker 1: Alway, even thinks of that, I did.
47:35
Speaker 6: Someone was there some Karen sitting at home going, oh,
47:37
Speaker 6: they're watching cigars?
47:38
Speaker 1: I better call them? Probably, yes, just outrageous.
47:41
Speaker 4: What happened to the champagne spraying, and well they did
47:45
Speaker 4: that as well aciently too.
47:46
Speaker 5: But you know, I accept what the good on them.
47:49
Speaker 2: A cigar, but I don't Paul Murray be on board
47:51
Speaker 2: with it.
47:52
Speaker 5: Oh that's how.
47:55
Speaker 1: Your round raid somewhere.
47:56
Speaker 6: So this is a clear distinct improvement of Queensland behavior.
48:01
Speaker 4: Well, let's now move on to some record of breaking items.
48:05
Speaker 4: I suppose we could call this one a pumpkin that
48:09
Speaker 4: ways just under one thousand and three hundred kilos. This
48:13
Speaker 4: is over in the UK, and the circumference of that
48:16
Speaker 4: pumpkin is six meters. Now, it takes one hundred and
48:20
Speaker 4: thirty days to grow a pumpkin this size, where it
48:22
Speaker 4: goes from a golf ball to this one.
48:24
Speaker 5: Thousand, three hundred kilos.
48:26
Speaker 4: But this pumpkin drinks one thousand pints of water a day.
48:32
Speaker 1: Almost gross. Read to say, it's like drinking twenty three.
48:35
Speaker 6: There's something alive in there, like some creepy sort of
48:38
Speaker 6: alien blob that's just burst out.
48:40
Speaker 2: So much as many pints of beer as I get
48:42
Speaker 2: through in a day. We did a show a few
48:43
Speaker 2: weeks ago about a three hundred and ninety kilo pumpkin
48:47
Speaker 2: and the headline was that that was three baby elephants.
48:49
Speaker 2: So here we are twelve baby elephants. Now goodness great,
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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us tonight. Coming up next to
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Speaker 2: read a banding show good enough,