Latest / The Wes Carroll Morning Show / Faith and Politics
Transcript
- 0:01The news, opinions, commentary, and interviews you need to start your day.
- 0:06You're listening to The West Carroll Morning Show. Monday morning, twenty first
- 0:11day of August. I'm West Thanks for joining me. Coming up this weekend
- 0:20the twenty sixth and twenty seventh. If you were in the state of Georgia,
- 0:25there is somewhere near you almost certainly a radio station that will be airing
- 0:31the twenty twenty three Dragon Con pregame show powered by Columbus State Universities Coca Cola
- 0:38Space Science Center one hundred and ninety radio stations something like that approximately, and
- 0:44I think that's the low end. I'll be airing it around the state,
- 0:47and you can hear it in some other states neighboring, depending on where those
- 0:51I know of at least one of those stations that goes well and truly deep
- 0:55into Alabama. But I'm excited for the interviews this year that you'll hear on
- 1:00the show, which will include Phil Lamar, fantastic voice actor, TV and
- 1:07film actor as well these days, does probably more voice acting on video games
- 1:11and cartoons than anything else. And Adam Savage from the show MythBusters, and
- 1:19he's worked on a number of other projects. And here's what I want to
- 1:23just remind you. And we sort of touched on this before, but in
- 1:26case you missed the show where I mentioned this this year, because of the
- 1:30sag After strike, the conventions like Dragon Connor a little bit different that basically,
- 1:38performers who are part of the guild are not allowed to promote the struck
- 1:45work that they've done, and it's just part of the ongoing strike and negotiations.
- 1:49So when I interviewed the two of them, most of Adam Savage's work
- 1:55does not involve struck work, like MythBusters was not a sag After show.
- 2:00His website tested that he does, tested dot com, where he on YouTube
- 2:04where he does it seems like daily updates on there not part of the strike
- 2:10work. There is some of the other work that he has done that is
- 2:14that is affected by it, and I guess most of Phil Lamar's work is
- 2:20qualifies as struck work as well. And I'm following the guidelines as I've been
- 2:25asked to follow concerning that to do the interviews. I'm in no way obligated
- 2:32to do that here on this show at this time, but I am out
- 2:38of respect for you know, doing the interviews and what they put in place
- 2:43as guidelines. You can look both of those guys up. You can see
- 2:46their resumes at great length on anywhere online if you'd like to. But I
- 2:53just so if a MythBusters, you know, it was a huge show and
- 2:57it's I'm sure you know Adam Savage. There were two guys that were on
- 3:00the show from the very beginning, and he is one of those guys.
- 3:05Phil Lamar, you'll recognize when you see him, whether it's TV, whether
- 3:08it's film, and a lot of different animation voices that he's done over the
- 3:14years. But I enjoy talking with both of them now. The show that
- 3:16will air on radio this weekend will be a shortened version of the show,
- 3:23and then by this weekend Saturday, I may actually go ahead and release it
- 3:28on Friday, but I'll have the full interviews with all of the guests that
- 3:32will be on the show, the full Dragon Coon pregame show on the Dragon
- 3:38Con Pregame Show podcast. Wherever you're listening to this show, you can find
- 3:42that show used to be on a different podcast, And if you were following
- 3:46my interviews on the West Carroll Interviews, that will be I'm just kind of
- 3:51making some changes on that. But these shows specifically that are in place to
- 3:55promote dragon Con, the DragonCon Pregame show podcast. It was the easiest way
- 3:59from to do this and make it simpler for you to find it and and
- 4:03listen to the interview. So excited about that. There's some past interviews already
- 4:06up there, William Shatner, Zachary Levi, Evangeline Lily, several others from
- 4:14dragon CON's past, and a number of guests who will be back again this
- 4:16year. And those older interviews, I talked to them about their projects,
- 4:20even their struck work, because back then there was no strike going on when
- 4:24they did those interviews. But anyway, dragon Con is now a little less
- 4:28than two weeks away, so really excited about getting back and hopefully they get
- 4:33this strike worked out and figure out all the nuances that go with that.
- 4:39But again, thanks to Coca Cola Space Science Center from Columbus State University for
- 4:44their sponsorship of our coverage over the years. Were it's been a great partnership
- 4:48and they have sponsored almost every single one of the dragon Con pregame shows.
- 4:54All Right, so I want to talk a little bit and this comes on
- 4:57the heels of something that was really heavy on my heart yesterday. And then
- 5:02I get up this morning and I see this. It comes It's a headline
- 5:06on a story from CBS News, and it basically shows that according to a
- 5:13poll, Trump voters and supporters have more trust for Trump than even their own
- 5:18family members and religious leaders. And then it largely has to do with the
- 5:25indictments that has rallied them behind the former president. So here, here's here's
- 5:32here's what I want to just say, because there's there's a lot to digest
- 5:38in that, and I want to be clear on a few things. I
- 5:43understand that we are very uh tribal in in this especially this two party system
- 5:51that we have. There is very much a we're the good guys, they're
- 5:57the bad guys. That's the mindset that seems to be reflected just continually in
- 6:02almost every aspect. And I understand that we're on our way to what would
- 6:11appear to be a rematch between two candidates who last time in twenty twenty one
- 6:19of them was then the sitting president. Now this time the other is the
- 6:24sitting president. And it looks like that's where we're headed, by by all
- 6:27accounts, and there's obviously a number of factors that could come into play,
- 6:30and there's a there is a possibility that neither of them could end up being
- 6:36the candidate for their party, and that's also something that it's just kind of
- 6:42a wild card for where all of this is and where it could be going.
- 6:45So I feel like that at least should be addressed up front. Okay,
- 6:49that's the precursor to the thing that I want to say. And I've
- 6:53talked about what I'm going to say before, but it's been really heavy on
- 6:57me, and then seeing this really reinforces what I want to say. And
- 7:02I remember that there was a point during the last election period, you know,
- 7:10before actual election date, was leading up to it, and I was
- 7:13talking to someone who they themselves very openly Christian, very openly passionate about their
- 7:21faith, and I remember them saying something and I understand what they meant,
- 7:27and I don't want to be critical about overly critical about what they said,
- 7:31because I understand in spirit what they said, but it was just one of
- 7:34those dangerous little slips that kind of came out and I thought, is that
- 7:38really what you meant to say? But this person basically said that Trump was
- 7:45the only one who could save us with everything going on with COVID, with
- 7:49the economy fallout that came during COVID, that Trump was the only one who
- 7:55could save us. And I did question. I was like, think about
- 7:59what you're saying there as you're saying that Trump is the only one who could
- 8:03save us, just coming from the perspective of someone who is deeply religious,
- 8:09and I just this is something that concerns me about where we are in politics
- 8:16today. I was talking with a friend the other day and I really just
- 8:20miss those days when you could just say, you know, my ballot is
- 8:24my personal business. I'm private about my how I vote, and you should
- 8:31be too, and then we just walk away, and then you don't have
- 8:33a discussion about it. You don't discuss. And I know that there's places
- 8:39where it's appropriate to discuss things, there's certainly times to do it, but
- 8:43it's the need that I feel like we've we've had placed on us where we're
- 8:48supposed to constantly vocalize and verbalize everything, everything we're feeling, everything that we
- 8:56every thought that comes into our head. We feel this press sure that we
- 9:01have to sound off on it. I remember here see people used to say
- 9:03that, let me sound off on this topic. What are we what are
- 9:07we doing? Like? That's a that's a running joke on The Family Guy,
- 9:11isn't it? When? Anyway? So, and that's the first thing
- 9:16I think we need to come to grips with is that we don't have to
- 9:18talk about that at all, not not with each other, not especially not
- 9:24when it's someone that you know has a different perspective on things, and you
- 9:28know, there are people that you know, you respect them, and you
- 9:33have a similar maturity level, and you can have a conversation. I have
- 9:37friends like that. I do most of my talking about politics here, and
- 9:43I have this and I respect the fact that not everybody does. I've had
- 9:46circumstances before where people came to me and they say, well, I wanted
- 9:50to talk. Can we talk about what you talked about on the show the
- 9:52other day? And I'll say, you know, sure, we need to
- 9:58be in the right environment. We don't need to be at you know,
- 10:01soccer practice, or we don't need to be in a busy area around a
- 10:07lot of other people. I don't want it to turn into that I'm comfortable
- 10:11having, you know, I'm very opinionated. I share my thoughts and opinions
- 10:16on things here. I do like to consider myself at least somewhat consider it
- 10:22when it comes to other people's opinions and views, and I don't feel like
- 10:24I have to force mine on anyone. I am very typically more interested in
- 10:31why other people feel the way that they do. I had a former co
- 10:35worker and friend who has been now passed away, but she used to tell
- 10:41me that she always voted Democrat because she grew up in Atlanta and she had
- 10:46was a single parent home, and the Democrat mayor of Atlanta put something in
- 10:52place where it ultimately it ended up that her family was given a free home
- 10:58that they could live in, and that she said that she always felt like
- 11:01she owed it to the Democrat party to continue voting that way. And I
- 11:05thought that was very telling, and I appreciated her honesty, and I saw
- 11:09all of the dangers of why I don't think politicians should have the ability to
- 11:13give anyone anything that comes from taxpayers. I do think we should have things
- 11:20in place that allow assistance for people that need it, but I think primarily
- 11:24that should come from places like churches and nonprofit organizations. I don't think that
- 11:30that's something that politicians should have the ability to do, buy a lifetime of
- 11:35loyalty from constituents. And that's a problem that we have. And we have
- 11:41those kinds of loyalties that are concerning. We have the loyalties like what this
- 11:46person I was talking about has for Trump, saying that he was the only
- 11:48person who could save us. And I do think it's interesting that we have
- 11:54a dangerous and sad because obviously both sides of of the I'll have religious people
- 12:01that feel like their side is right. They feel like that their faith puts
- 12:09them in a place where they are loyal to the party that they subscribe to
- 12:15because of their faith. And I have said this before and I will say
- 12:18it until I guess my day's end. If you're putting your politics ahead of
- 12:26your faith, you're not doing it right if your politics take priority over your
- 12:33faith. If you claim that you are in fact a Christian and or any
- 12:39faith. But I can speak to Christianity because that's where I fall. But
- 12:45I don't put politicians ahead of my faith. I don't put politicians ahead of
- 12:50my beliefs. I don't feel like Donald Trump is the only person who can
- 12:54save me, and I know that this person didn't really mean that. What
- 12:58they were trying to address was that he was the only person in politics that
- 13:03they felt could come in and save the day. I understand that, but
- 13:07to me starts slipping slipping down that slope that can get so slippery and end
- 13:15up in a really bad place. But I do think it's interesting that we
- 13:20have candidates on both sides that the other side absolutely hates, hates and wants
- 13:31the candidate in place to be the candidate because they feel like their candidate can
- 13:37beat the other candidate. And that's this really dangerous place that we've gotten ourselves
- 13:43to, where we have a system that now allows affords. It is easy
- 13:54for a pack or even a candidate to support someone on the other side and
- 14:00make sure that they end up being the candidate. And I think both sides
- 14:03have to be very aware of this. Democrats have been doing this better than
- 14:07Republicans for a while. At both sides have done it, but Democrats have
- 14:13been doing it better. Which makes it worse because we've had candidates that Democrats
- 14:20would say, how does this person get nominated? And they basically dumped that
- 14:24at the feet of Republicans. And I'm going to give an example on the
- 14:28reason that I'm I guess picking on Democrats in this way is to just say
- 14:33herschel Walker. Herschel Walker was a candidate that the Democrats did everything they could
- 14:37to make sure that he was nominated and then went to war with all of
- 14:43the things that they had accumulated against him so that they could say, look,
- 14:46this is the worst candidate ever. Why, there were a number of
- 14:48candidates that were Trump allies and supporters that they made sure were the nominees and
- 14:54Republican races during the mid terms, and they wanted to be able to say
- 14:58we have all this I mean, and some of the Trump candidates that they
- 15:01hated ended up winning. And then they threw their hands up and when I
- 15:05can't believe these people actually won, I can't believe you helped him get nominated
- 15:11so that they could win. They helped Trump get nominated the first time because
- 15:15they thought there was no way that he could beat Hillary Clinton. And then
- 15:18that's part of why we have all of this anger and frustration and desperation really
- 15:26to get him out of the race. All of the things that are being
- 15:28said about him, all of the things, the indictments, all of that
- 15:33is all very similar strategy to what was done with herschel Walker. So my
- 15:37question is, how can you support a horrible candidate on the other side when
- 15:43you know that there's a possibility that they're going to win. It's dangerous because
- 15:48then you're stuck with them. Then they're in place, then they're the candidate.
- 15:52We can't keep playing the lesser of two evils game over and over and
- 15:58over again, because that's what we've been doing. That's what we've been doing
- 16:03for you know, now three cycles. This will be the third one.
- 16:07It looks like, because let's be honest, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump,
- 16:11those were not good options. Not then Now you can say, well,
- 16:18I really like Donald Trump, and you could say, well, back then,
- 16:21I really like Hillary Clinton. But both sides were eyeing up the other
- 16:26side, going oh, yeah, that's a bad candidate. When was the
- 16:30last election we had where both sides could say the other side wins? I'll
- 16:34be okay with that. I can't remember one. I don't remember the last
- 16:41time that that happened. I don't I don't have a memory of that in
- 16:45my time as a voter. I don't remember that. I mean maybe I
- 16:52guess Clinton Bush Senior. I mean, I don't know, and we know
- 16:57that Ross Pirogue got in there and that ended up being the turning point in
- 17:02that election. But by the time it got to re election time for Clinton,
- 17:10people hated him on the right, they hated him he went through the
- 17:14Monica Lewinski thing. So I don't know. I don't think this is something
- 17:18that can be fixed. I don't know that we're in a position where we
- 17:22can repair it. But I do know that if we're putting all of our
- 17:26faith in politicians and not in our churches for those that actually do go to
- 17:33church, if we're willing to look past some of the things that constitute not
- 17:41forgiving, if we subscribe to a political party that thinks it's okay to continually
- 17:48pick at the scab of racism and not let it heal, if we feel
- 17:51like it's okay to call people names with no real justification for it, I
- 17:56think there's a commandment that addresses that. The ninth one doesn't. The ninth
- 18:02Commandment address that a little bit. But if you're allowed to call someone a
- 18:07fascist when they've done nothing to indicate that they're a fascist, or you can
- 18:11call someone a Nazi and they've done nothing to indicate their Nazi commandment. You
- 18:15know there is there is one number nine where it shouldn't be happening. And
- 18:26if your politics puts you in a place where you feel like that that's okay
- 18:30in the name of politics, and that needs to be addressed, that's a
- 18:34moment you should step back from politics for a minute. If you honestly think
- 18:38Donald Trump is more powerful than Jesus, you should take a step back.
- 18:41If you're a Christian, you should take a step back and say, reevaluate
- 18:47this just a little bit. If your political affiliation, if in your heart
- 18:53you feel like abortion is not okay, but your political affiliation says that it
- 19:00is, you should take a step back and think about what that means.
- 19:04Right. I mean, I can't tell you what eventually you're going to find
- 19:10in your heart. I know where my heart is on that issue. I
- 19:14know where my heart is on a number of these issues. I know that
- 19:19we have to learn forgiveness. That applies to all of these things, but
- 19:25it definitely applies to where we come down on a number of issues that we
- 19:30just won't let heal. We won't let racism heal, we won't move past
- 19:34it. We won't let sexism move on. We've got folks on the right
- 19:41that still won't just be a good neighbor two people in their community that don't
- 19:48necessarily go to their church or don't believe the same thing that they believe.
- 19:52And if that's the case, you should take a step back in your politics.
- 19:56You should just take a step back and reevaluate it few things. It
- 20:00should start at what your core beliefs are, and if they involve a church
- 20:07and that church isn't really following the core beliefs of your faith, you should
- 20:12take a step back there too. There are churches that still follow those core
- 20:18beliefs. There are, I promise you they're out there. But again,
- 20:26as I've said, and I'll say it again and again and again, if
- 20:30your politics comes before your religious faith, you're not doing it right. Today's
- 20:36show brought to you by Columba State Universities Coca Cola Space Science Center, Inspiring
- 20:41and educating the youth and future STEM leaders and STEM career holders that really of
- 20:49all ages. I mean they do it for school age kids as school aged
- 20:53kids visit the Coca Cola Space Science Center, but they also do it through
- 20:57their university programs where you can learn engineering, astronomy, physics, and the
- 21:03careers in space and stem fields are booming right now, and you can learn
- 21:08more about maybe getting your degree on their website CCSSC dot org. While you're
- 21:18there, also check out some of their upcoming programs. They've got this incredible
- 21:22collaboration that they do with the Schwobe School of Music from Columbus State University called
- 21:27Music under the Dome. It's unlike any concert experience that you can get anywhere
- 21:33else. It's one of those things that when you're watching it in Columbus,
- 21:36Georgia, you think, is this really in Columbus, Georgia. I mean,
- 21:40this is a major city attraction that happens right here in Columbus inside the
- 21:47planetarium at the Coca Cola Space Science Center and the new season of Music under
- 21:52the Dome. Check out upcoming dates for the shows, and also check out
- 21:57when the next Astronomy Nights up where you can get outside. Sometimes you do
- 22:02it at the Cocola Space Science Center. Sometimes you get outside somewhere outside the
- 22:07city lights. You don't want any light interference, and you can do that
- 22:10as well. Upcoming Astronomy Night events also on their website, it's CCSSC dot
- 22:15org. As Shankruzen says Charlie Charlie Sam Sam Charlie dot org. I just
- 22:21remind you that it stands for Coca Cola Space Science Center CCSSC dot org.
- 22:27Today's show brought to you by Overhead Door Company of Columbus. For all of
- 22:32your garage door needs, commercial or residential. Maybe you have regular maintenance that
- 22:38it's time for. It's always good to get maintenance on anything that has parts
- 22:44that move and have electronics. The folks at Overhead Door Company of Columbus can
- 22:48take care of squaring that away for you, and while they're there, you
- 22:52can always ask them questions about some of the maybe cosmetic changes you'd like to
- 22:56make to your garage door. Maybe your curb app isn't quite what you want
- 23:00it to be and you need some repair work done to the outside door.
- 23:03Maybe you need a brand new garage door completely. Maybe it's making a noise
- 23:08when your garage door opens and closes. Maybe it's some sort of insulation issue
- 23:14that you've got with colder or warmer weather. Sometimes that stuff gets in and
- 23:18it's inconvenient. Maybe you're looking at a situation where you'd like to add a
- 23:22screen door to your garage door system that you can put down and you can
- 23:26use your garage space as a sort of outdoor but indoor. You know,
- 23:30if you like to work on your own cars in there, or maybe you
- 23:33just want a little man caved you'd like to be able to open the door
- 23:37up and not invite all the insects in. They can do that for you
- 23:41as well, and again they do after hours calls. There's nothing worse than
- 23:45that thought of having your car trapped inside your garage and your garage door won't
- 23:48open and you need somebody to come help. And they do those as well.
- 23:53Seven oh six y five eight forty five hundred seven h six three five
- 23:56eight forty five hundred o DC see Columbus dot com more West Carroll Morning Show.
- 24:03Right after the break, how much time do you spend on your phone?
- 24:15If you're like me, your phone will tell you how much time you
- 24:18spend on it last week, tells you the percentages, how much you're up
- 24:22or down. Oh my gosh. It's a little scary sometimes. And this
- 24:27is just one of those little facts to throw out there. If you're in
- 24:30the average amount of time that people use. I'm just gonna throw this figure
- 24:36out and I know you might not want to hear it, but I'm gonna
- 24:38put it out there for you because I think you maybe need to hear it.
- 24:41I know I needed to hear it. And it's just a thought.
- 24:45But a survey found that the average person spends over seventy six thousand, five
- 24:52hundred hours on their phones over the course of their lifetime. I'm gonna assume
- 24:56that this is based on how much they currently are using it or have been
- 25:02using it, to equate out to what it will be for a lifetime.
- 25:07That basically works out to eight point seven four years, almost nine years of
- 25:12your life on average people will spend staring at their phone. And let's be
- 25:21just generous here and say that, you know, I mean, I think
- 25:25eighty is a high average, and if you're spending nine years of that staring
- 25:32at your phone, let's just say eighty one if that was the average life.
- 25:36And it's not. It's lower than that, but let's just go eighty
- 25:38one as a hypothetical. That's a ninth of your life. That's all.
- 25:41That's just something that you need to consider and think about. Back to school,
- 25:48I know, they're all back by this point, at least in our
- 25:51area. Some schools are continuing to go back around the country. New Harris
- 25:56Poll says eighty percent I'm sorry. Eighty seven percent of parents of children under
- 26:00eighteen say back to school season causes the most stress and anxiety. They said
- 26:06fifty three percent said most stressful time of the year for them getting their kids
- 26:11back in school. During the pandemic, a lot of restaurants did suffer,
- 26:17but buffets took a major hit because of sanitary reasons. They weren't able to
- 26:22be open enough. People touching spoons and things as they were walking down,
- 26:26you know, dishing out their own food at buffets. And I guess they're
- 26:33back now that we've gotten to this place we're at with COVID. Lance Trenari,
- 26:40president and CEO of Golden Corral Corporation, says that they're operating a little
- 26:45differently, but the diners are excited that they can get what Golden Corral has
- 26:48to offer. And twenty twenty two, buffets were a five point five billion
- 26:53dollar industry, up nine percent from twenty twenty one. And so it seems
- 27:00back and not going anywhere. I'm gonna be honest, you know, I
- 27:07don't know trying to think of a last buffet that I went to. It
- 27:14has been a while. It may have been a Golden Corral. We used
- 27:17to go for work quite a bit, and it's helped me keep my caloric
- 27:25count each day in check, not being tempted to go to buffets. The
- 27:29closest I've done to a buffet over the weekend, and this, I guess
- 27:33is still going on for a little bit longer for part of this week.
- 27:37But the folks at Eyehop are celebrating their anniversary and they're doing five dollars all
- 27:44you can eat pancakes. Now you can add that you can get like a
- 27:47meal that has pancakes, and then they give you unlimited pancakes on top of
- 27:52that. But you can pay just five dollars and they'll give you five pancakes
- 27:56and then you can get you know, two at a time, refills as
- 27:59much as you can eat, which is what I chose to do, which
- 28:02is what Jake chose to do. When we went out to eat over the
- 28:04weekend. Luke ordered something off the Kid's menu, which he was free because
- 28:10Jill bought something, uh you know, an actual meal that also included the
- 28:15unlimited pancakes, which she didn't eat unlimited pancakes. She ate just what was
- 28:21in front of her. Jake and I. Jake didn't finish his first five,
- 28:25and it took it home and finished it later. I got into my
- 28:30second plate, and I just couldn't you know. Five pancakes was plenty for
- 28:33me. That's a lot for once upon a time. I maybe could have
- 28:37done some damage to that, but not anymore. All right, jumping over
- 28:41from pancakes to waffles, that seems like a logical jump. The makers of
- 28:45Ego I want to help booze up brunch. The new Ego Brunch and a
- 28:52jar sipping cream as a collaborator collaboration with sugar Land's distilling company, The liquor
- 29:00seamlessly blends the flavors of toasted eggo waffles, sweet maple syrup, and rich
- 29:03butter with a hint of smoky bacon. The company says it's designed to pair
- 29:07with eggo waffles to elevate any brunch occasion, even if you're stuck at home
- 29:14eating with the kids. You know, why not? All right, that'll
- 29:18do it for this Monday edition of the show. Thanks to our sponsors,
- 29:22and patrons. Thank you for listening. I'll catch you back here tomorrow morning.
- 29:26This is the West Carroll Morning Show powered by Overhead Door Company of Columbus,
- 29:30the Holiday and Resort in Panama City and CSUS Coca Cola Space Science Center.
- 29:38Overhead Door Company of Columbus has all of your garage door needs covered,
- 29:42Residential and commercial service and repairs. If you need a new garage door,
- 29:48or you're just looking to upgrade or repair your current door, Overhead Door Company
- 29:52of Columbus has you covered. Plus they've got your emergency repairs or service covered
- 29:56as well. Seven oh six three FI eight forty five hundred seven six three
- 30:02eighty five hundred O DC Columbus dot com. Have you checked out the Made
- 30:07of Stars podcast yet? Well you probably should. The Georgia Association of Broadcasters
- 30:11as named Made of Stars the best podcast series at the annual Gabby Awards.
- 30:17Every Thursday, doctor Shaun Cruising from Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center
- 30:22and I talk about the week space news, including what's going on at NASA,
- 30:26as well as companies like SpaceX, Blue Origin, Axiom Space, and
- 30:30Boeing. Plus we fill you in on what's happening beyond our atmosphere, throughout
- 30:33our Solar System, and into the deepest known regions of space. Check out
- 30:37best podcast series Gabby Award winning Made of Stars. New episodes every Thursday on
- 30:44Spotify, Apple, Google, or wherever you listen to your podcast