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Jags Drive Time: Tuesday, May 3 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Well, Jacks Dride time with AshEL and Soulis, John Oshans
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Speaker 1: bry Insects Jacks Dride. It starts right now. Well, overall
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Speaker 1: feel great, you know, um, all the way back to
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Speaker 1: even the free agency. You know, we addressed a lot
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Speaker 1: of issues early with free agents, and and now we
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Speaker 1: we picked it up in here in the draft. And
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Speaker 1: and then just speaking about the process, You've heard us
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Speaker 1: talk a lot this weekend about the collaboration, the communication
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Speaker 1: involving the staff, um, you know, and just really spending
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Speaker 1: a lot of time with these with these players, you know,
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Speaker 1: and the board and and um, you know, for me,
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Speaker 1: it was refreshing to do that and to be a
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Speaker 1: part of it that extensively. I know the coaches felt
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Speaker 1: the same way we have. You know, there's accountability there
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Speaker 1: with with the with the board and with you know,
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Speaker 1: with Trent and his staff, and and uh felt the
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Speaker 1: process was really good and really smooth round. The first
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Speaker 1: draft under head coach Doug Peterson was a success. Seven
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Speaker 1: draft picks coming here to Jacksonville, and accountability is the keyword.
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Speaker 1: I think they're welcome to Jaguars Drive Time. Ashlan Sullivan,
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Speaker 1: Brian Sexton and John O's you're here with you on
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Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning, and it was quite the weekend. It
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Speaker 1: was a long weekend flying back from Vegas here in Jacksonville,
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Speaker 1: but it's always a rewarding weekend and it was something
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Speaker 1: where the Jaguars really needed to get these players in
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Speaker 1: the building. And we're gonna talk a lot about it.
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Speaker 1: It starts as a really fun weekend. All the anticipations
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Speaker 1: are like Christmas that build up through the months of
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Speaker 1: February and March and into April. UM, but it ends
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Speaker 1: with a whimper because by the time you get to
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Speaker 1: the fifth round, you're like, WHOA, Okay, let's get this
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Speaker 1: thing over with. You're right, it's important. They've got to
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Speaker 1: to continue and carry through the end of the draft
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Speaker 1: and make sure they get the value for those picks. Um.
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Speaker 1: But I think I speak for John when they traded
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Speaker 1: those two picks for next year. Yes, yeah, I was
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Speaker 1: torn when they did that. Between to see an elation
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Speaker 1: because it was and I think it's important remember about
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Speaker 1: this draft. It looked to me on Day three, like
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Speaker 1: Trent Balky looked at the draft and said, I believe
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Speaker 1: there is going to be greater value next year in
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Speaker 1: the draft. Traded out with the two six round picks
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Speaker 1: or I'm sorry, five and a seven for a fourth
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Speaker 1: next year. It seemed to me pretty clear on Day
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Speaker 1: three that he was saying, I don't mind these players,
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Speaker 1: but I believe there will be some value in having
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Speaker 1: a fourth round pick. The fourth round pick, it's supposed
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Speaker 1: to be a guy who can potentially start get that
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Speaker 1: next year, so or it's better leverage moving somewhere up
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Speaker 1: into the second round. It's it's more valuable pick obviously. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and I was on talking to a Ton ten x
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Speaker 1: L yesterday and they said, you know, it seems like
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Speaker 1: we know so much more about the process of this
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Speaker 1: draft this year, and I really hadn't thought much about that,
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Speaker 1: but it is true. Coach Peterson just talked about the accountability.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we got such more of an access
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Speaker 1: to this pre draft process this year, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that will intentional. But they weren't trying to say how
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Speaker 1: hard they worked on this draft process this year. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think they did work hard. I mean, I don't
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Speaker 1: think they were saying there. I don't think they were
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Speaker 1: saying they were mailing it in. But Doug did a
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Speaker 1: nice job during the pre draft luncheon, and then after
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Speaker 1: the draft, I think Trent did too of talking about
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Speaker 1: the collaboration. Every time Trent was asked about a pick
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Speaker 1: he made, he said, hey, this was everybody. That was
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Speaker 1: the buzzword. I got that impression from talking to people
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Speaker 1: after the draft that this wasn't a case like with
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Speaker 1: the first round pick Trayvon Walker, where Trent came down
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Speaker 1: from on high and said, I am taking this. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it was a collaborative process. And I thought the money
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Speaker 1: quote was the one that we used at the top.
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Speaker 1: You could hear in Doug's quote that he really hadn't
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Speaker 1: been a part of a process that brought the coaches
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Speaker 1: in quite as much to this. I thinks what he
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Speaker 1: meant by accountability, Hey, we asked for some of these guys.
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Speaker 1: Now we've got to go have some success with the
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Speaker 1: Walker pick, I think rightfully has been termed the home
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Speaker 1: run swing, right because this guy's upside is is was
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Speaker 1: greater than a lot of the players you know, who
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Speaker 1: were thought to be in that area. You can't take
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Speaker 1: a home run swing unless you the general manager and
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Speaker 1: the coach are in collaboration. He couldn't have taken it
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Speaker 1: by himself. I don't believe he had to have Doug,
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Speaker 1: which is why I think Doug came into the post
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Speaker 1: news conference on which is watching online from Vegas, and
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Speaker 1: his first thought, Hey, we were all in on this one.
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Speaker 1: This is what we believe. Um the owner asked for transparency,
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Speaker 1: said he would provide transparency when he made the move
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Speaker 1: last year to change coaches, and we're seeing it all
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Speaker 1: the way through the draft. Let's get into big things.
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Speaker 1: Big thing one is extending Cam Robinson, signing his extension
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Speaker 1: yesterday to keep him here in Jacksonville. And this really
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Speaker 1: goes back to the shift course seeing from coach Peterson
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Speaker 1: and Trent baal Key of really working to keep good
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Speaker 1: players here in Jacksonville. The front office and you know what,
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Speaker 1: the coaches kind of wanted to keep you know, some
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Speaker 1: of the stables around just to kind of build around
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Speaker 1: and kind of you know, started started to form that
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Speaker 1: what we what we want to ultimately get done here.
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Speaker 1: So long, I mean, I think it's just a great
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Speaker 1: thing that's keeping guys around, and we brought in kind
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Speaker 1: of homegrown Um, myself, Josh and whoever else we decided
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Speaker 1: to keep around. Big thing too is defense heavy five
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Speaker 1: out of seven draft picks went to defense this year,
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Speaker 1: and there were so many needs going into free agency
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Speaker 1: in the draft, and general manager Trent Fault he feels
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Speaker 1: like he's checking all off, a lot off the list
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Speaker 1: right now, you know, dealing with coach and going through
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Speaker 1: the process with the coaching staff. You know, it's all
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Speaker 1: about developing the best roster, the best fifty three, and
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Speaker 1: that's how we approached free agency, that's how we approached
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Speaker 1: the draft. Obviously, you have to address needs, and we
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Speaker 1: felt we did that. We looked at it. You know,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, we go through an
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Speaker 1: end of the season review and write down the top
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Speaker 1: needs that we want hey have on offense, defense, and
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Speaker 1: special teams, and we feel like we did a really
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Speaker 1: good job of addressing those and we're gonna continue to
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Speaker 1: address the needs that we see as we worked through
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Speaker 1: the off season program. And finally, big thing three is integrity.
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Speaker 1: This pre draft process was very different than what we've
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Speaker 1: seen in the past. Owner's hot Com was in the
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Speaker 1: building a lot. He was at the combine the entire
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Speaker 1: time and all the interviews and the workouts, and when
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Speaker 1: I asked out it, he said, yeah, it's pretty clear
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Speaker 1: we need to make a change to how we did this.
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Speaker 1: This has been you know, very intensive process with really
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Speaker 1: the coaches, with the scouts, viewing film together, a very
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Speaker 1: grueling process where there's integrity in the evaluation. It isn't
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Speaker 1: I have a bias and just give me the data
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Speaker 1: to you know, convince myself for other people, and which
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Speaker 1: you know lead to really, Um, you know how the
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Speaker 1: raft boards shoke out. I love that integrity to the evaluation.
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Speaker 1: That's not the first time he said that. No, you
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Speaker 1: know what I like. Um, when you think about a
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Speaker 1: couple of teams who draft well every year, the Steelers,
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Speaker 1: right with the Rooneys years ago, you know, set the
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Speaker 1: personality of their franchise and how they were going to
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Speaker 1: build a team, and it's been remarkably consistent, you know
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Speaker 1: since nineteen sixty nine. Um. Now you hear about Stephen
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Speaker 1: Biscotti in the war room with the Ravens, and the
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Speaker 1: Ravens just they they draft so well every year. It's
7:24
Speaker 1: no wonder they've been so consistent since moving to Baltimore
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Speaker 1: for the last twenty years. That's where ownership comes in.
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Speaker 1: He won't always have to do that, but for the
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Speaker 1: next couple of years for him, to be involved in
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Speaker 1: setting the the personality of his franchise, that the direction
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Speaker 1: of the franchise. I think I have said, I think
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Speaker 1: it's really important that he's involved in every aspect of
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Speaker 1: this franchise to give it that Jaguar way. Whoever's knocking
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Speaker 1: to the studio door, just let him in. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if you guys can hear this. They're tearing down a
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Speaker 1: kitchen on this wall and it is alarmingly loud, but
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not to our lovely viewers. What was big thing?
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Speaker 1: One extended Cameron? Congratulations. This is a topic and it's
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Speaker 1: an important topic. And in writing that story yesterday, we're
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Speaker 1: talking about Cam. I know he said, Hey, it's important.
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Speaker 1: We're starting to keep guys around. He's the first. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you have Dawn Smoot, Josh Allen, they signed the tour
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Speaker 1: of He hasn't been extended yet. I believe they will. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Cam is not really a part of something. He's the forerunner.
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Speaker 1: He's the most tenured guy on the team short of
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Speaker 1: Tyler Shatley. Uh you have made uh Cam Robinson with
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Speaker 1: this a core piece. Um Yeah, I like the move,
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Speaker 1: I like the philosophy behind it. But you hope what
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Speaker 1: happens in the next two years you look back and
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Speaker 1: see Cam Robinson as part of a trend, because what
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Speaker 1: they're talking about is important. But let's not act as
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Speaker 1: if he's one of many. This is the swooped. This
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Speaker 1: has to start a trend for this team. I think
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Speaker 1: it's very important. It's very important that he plays well
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Speaker 1: and rewards them for it. But it's key that this
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Speaker 1: is not an unusual story. It's been too unusual, you know.
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Speaker 1: And you're totally right. Uh, And that's part of the direction, right.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the ownership was involved in that conversation as well.
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Speaker 1: I think I shared the story of the day that
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Speaker 1: they put the franchise tag on him. I grab a
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Speaker 1: member of the scouting staff and I said, why he's
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Speaker 1: a rising player? I said, really, we think his best
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Speaker 1: football is way in front of him, that he is
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Speaker 1: reaching two new levels every game last year. Um, if
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Speaker 1: you believe that, John, every rising player has to stay.
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Speaker 1: You can't let them. You can't let them, Jalen Ramsey,
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Speaker 1: you and get out of the building if that's the case,
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Speaker 1: or throw a fit like in gok way uh and
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Speaker 1: and and and not get what he wants you've got
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Speaker 1: to find a way to get those guys in. Um.
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Speaker 1: I think Cam is a really good player if he
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Speaker 1: does have his upside. Left tackles are hard to find.
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Speaker 1: We've been looking for one since Bosselliah And hopefully everything's
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Speaker 1: right in the build so being got ways and the
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Speaker 1: rams and don't happen. Something else to point out. And
10:06
Speaker 1: everything's young to me now because I'm old. But Cam's
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Speaker 1: only twenty six. There were guys getting drafted at twenty four.
10:13
Speaker 1: Cam's going into a sixth year. So, uh, there's a
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Speaker 1: good chance that he does have his best football ahead
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Speaker 1: of him. Think about this, when he gets done with
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Speaker 1: this deal. I think it's a three year deal. He'll
10:23
Speaker 1: be twenty nine, He'll he'll get another one math Uh,
10:28
Speaker 1: so he can still be playing a long time and
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Speaker 1: could still become very wealthy. Well, and you have Look,
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Speaker 1: you have three offensive tackles, and any two in combination
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Speaker 1: you'd feel really good about. Right. Um, we assume Walker
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Speaker 1: Little is going to compete with Juwan Taylor over on
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Speaker 1: the right side. That's two second round picks. If you
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Speaker 1: have three tackles that you feel good about, good for you, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a lot of times around here
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Speaker 1: that you've wondered about both of the starting tackles, and
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Speaker 1: now you've got three in competition and way to that though. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you're walker a little, are you okay with that?
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Speaker 1: Are you okay with moving over to the right side
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Speaker 1: and competing for that spot? Better be okay with it?
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Speaker 1: You don't have a choice. Yeah, I keep hearing about
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Speaker 1: I've heard that question. I've also heard uh, well, if
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Speaker 1: they have little or tailor if one of them, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't when that job moves to guard, are they willing
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Speaker 1: to do that? You have to want to play. I
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Speaker 1: mean the top guard on the old man and me,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm so tired. Well, I don't want to do this.
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Speaker 1: They'll do it because they're football players and they need
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Speaker 1: to be on the field. Well, and think about this
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Speaker 1: position wise, and left tackle used to be so much
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Speaker 1: higher paid than the right tackle. Do you realize right
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Speaker 1: now Cam Robinson is making eighteen million dollars a year
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Speaker 1: on that three year deal. The right guard is making
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Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars a year on his deal. Right guard,
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Speaker 1: left tackle, I mean centers, if you can play at
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Speaker 1: a high level, you're going to get paid. If I'm
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Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor. I think I'd like that eighteen million dollars.
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Speaker 1: I don't have it right there? If I if I
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Speaker 1: become an all pro guard, I in, yeah, what's he
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Speaker 1: gonna argue with his probade is hurt because people saying
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Speaker 1: you're not a tackle. Okay, you're not a tackle. I'm
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Speaker 1: an eighteen million dollar guard. Take it. But that press
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Speaker 1: conference he didn't say that. He said I'm a left
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Speaker 1: tackle and I'm not moving. He said right tackle, a
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Speaker 1: right tackle on SR. Okay, well he'll move and Bede
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Speaker 1: probably it was after the season. It was a day
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Speaker 1: after the season, after a long season, if you guys
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Speaker 1: know it or not. But last season um and he
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Speaker 1: was asked if if he'd be okay with moving to
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Speaker 1: right tackle. He said something no about moving to guard. No,
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Speaker 1: and everybody's played it up like it's this line in
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Speaker 1: the sand, but he's building up the troops and no.
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just see how it plays out. Okay, Fine, Well,
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Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying is, when you see the
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Speaker 1: money that's there, why would you say no? I certainly wouldn't.
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Speaker 1: I know that much. But I'm not to want Taylor.
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Speaker 1: So that's pretty obvious. He'll be fine. Yes he will.
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Speaker 1: He will be just fine, and that is big things.
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Speaker 1: When we come back on Jaguars Drive Time, we're going
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Speaker 1: morning post draft. A lot has been done, a lot
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Speaker 1: has been checked off, let's do list, but something remain
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Speaker 1: for general manager Trent Balky. So we decided to mock
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Speaker 1: up his to do list and thought it would be
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Speaker 1: on his desk right now if he had a to
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Speaker 1: do list, Briand what are you thinking? What what I
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Speaker 1: think he's done or what he needs to do? Okay,
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Speaker 1: well he he fortified. That's great, fortified both blinds um.
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Speaker 1: You know, in free agency they added Brandon Suiff, sureff
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Speaker 1: Um and and then grabbing Keith Fordner. So now think
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Speaker 1: about it. We talked about the three tackles that you've got.
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Speaker 1: You've got at least two centers, You've got three guards. Um,
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Speaker 1: You've you've got numbers of quality. Right. Um, you got
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Speaker 1: a five time pro bowler that you add to the
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Speaker 1: middle of the line. You have fortified the offensive line. Um,
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Speaker 1: new coach coming in, let's see what they do. But
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Speaker 1: the numbers on the line say they have put great
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Speaker 1: effort into that. On the defensive side, you add fully thoughts,
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Speaker 1: right did I pronounced that? Right? Um? And Trayvon Walker
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Speaker 1: to Malcolm Brown, Roy Roberts and Harris Josh Allen Smoot. Right,
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Speaker 1: you now have built size, strength, depth talent on both lines.
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Speaker 1: And John will tell you, anyone will tell you that's
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Speaker 1: where you win in the NFL. The quarterback is obviously
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Speaker 1: the lynchpin to it all. But you don't do anything
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Speaker 1: unless you can get better. And they got a lot
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Speaker 1: better up front this offseason. Um, Now you let me
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Speaker 1: tell you what I think they do. Did you have
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Speaker 1: to identify the playmakers? Right? Who are those people who
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Speaker 1: are going to be I mean you go, well, clearly
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Speaker 1: they've already identified Christian Kirk Right, Um, so how do
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Speaker 1: these how do the how where's the pecking order? Who's one, two, three?
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Speaker 1: You know, that's something the coaches are going to figure
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Speaker 1: out now. And when they get these guys on the field,
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Speaker 1: how do the tight ends roll into it? Where are
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Speaker 1: you running back? Who's gonna do what? Um? And that's
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Speaker 1: a process that comes in time, and they may be
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Speaker 1: looking for more guys as we go along. Here they've
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Speaker 1: got some playmakers, they've got identified more and into the future.
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Speaker 1: Next year you go into the draft saying I gotta
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Speaker 1: have that big play receiver. I gotta find that guy, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And if it wasn't there this year, it wasn't there
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Speaker 1: this year. Right. My direction is relatively the same. And
15:46
Speaker 1: it's important to realize I got so many questions about
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Speaker 1: why they didn't do this with the draft, why they
15:51
Speaker 1: didn't do this with the draft. The reality is, in
15:55
Speaker 1: order to worry about next year, you had to take
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Speaker 1: free agency and the draft. I think they read amp
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Speaker 1: the run defense, and I know the response to this
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Speaker 1: is always, well, it's a passing lead. You care about
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Speaker 1: the run defense. When you play run defense the way
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Speaker 1: this team has played at the last three or four years,
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Speaker 1: it got a little better last year at times, but
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Speaker 1: there were still times where they were you know, they
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Speaker 1: would get cash. You. I don't know if just stopping
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Speaker 1: the run means you're going to win. I do know
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Speaker 1: that not stopping the run means you're gonna lose. So
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Speaker 1: they had to get that fixed. It feels like they
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Speaker 1: did that with Brian's boy Fatacasi, right, okay, and Trayvon
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Speaker 1: Walker helps that the two linebackers help that. You can't
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Speaker 1: look at this roster and think it's not a significantly
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Speaker 1: better front seven against the run than it was three
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Speaker 1: or four days ago. That to me is indication they
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Speaker 1: felt like they needed that building block first. Once we
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Speaker 1: get that building block, let's see where we go from there.
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Speaker 1: You know, if you can't stop Jonathan Taylor, then you
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Speaker 1: don't make you know, fifteen year veteran Matt Ryan, who
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Speaker 1: wasn't that good here for the Falcons last year, you
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Speaker 1: don't make him beat you. Right, Jonathan Taylor beat you.
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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan can just hand off and just you have
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Speaker 1: to do that. Now you gotta do the rest too. Well.
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Speaker 1: You don't do that, teams will never do anything else.
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Speaker 1: And I don't think that Ryan can beat you, right,
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Speaker 1: But Jonathan Taylor can yeah, and how many games last year?
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Speaker 1: Was at the end of the first quarter and you
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Speaker 1: just saw them pounding, pounding, pounding. You thought they don't
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Speaker 1: have a chance because they was clear from the very
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Speaker 1: start they couldn't stop it, and the other team saw
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Speaker 1: that very clearly. Most is the answer to your questions.
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to go there, but you went there
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Speaker 1: a lot. Um, So what do they still need to do?
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Speaker 1: I think this is basically the same concept as Brian
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Speaker 1: and I think if you're looking at this situation, you
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Speaker 1: can't help it go this direction. Um, they need to
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Speaker 1: figure out. Now they've got their pieces on the offensive line,
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Speaker 1: where there's piece is going to fit and that's what
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Speaker 1: it's really about. Now they've got pieces of wider see
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Speaker 1: where they pieces of running back, the pieces over the place.
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Speaker 1: How are these How are the guys gonna actually fit?
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Speaker 1: I think Luke Ford are probably starts at center relatively soon.
18:04
Speaker 1: But you've got to figure that out. Is it him
18:06
Speaker 1: or Shatley? Is it Walker Little or Jowan Taylor? Uh?
18:09
Speaker 1: Do one of those guys move into guard? Or is
18:11
Speaker 1: it Ben Bart? So you feel like I kept talking
18:14
Speaker 1: all weekend, They've got their eight. But I'm not sure
18:16
Speaker 1: where those eight are gonna fit. So I think that's
18:18
Speaker 1: what's next. That's what Trent Balky talked about in all
18:20
Speaker 1: the press conferences. Now we've got the players. Now the
18:22
Speaker 1: coaches have to figure out how to use them. Actually,
18:24
Speaker 1: and this may seem like a stretch, but I think
18:26
Speaker 1: they've got nine. I mean, I think Will Richardson's is
18:28
Speaker 1: a valuable reserve. I think he's a guy that could
18:31
Speaker 1: play inside or outside. Imagine nine. But yeah, I guess
18:36
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is they have nine who are okay.
18:38
Speaker 1: You talk about quality and depth. Um, I can't recall
18:42
Speaker 1: a time when the Jaguars had this many guys that
18:45
Speaker 1: you could say with to play with him, we're okay. Yeah.
18:48
Speaker 1: Is Luke Fortner drafted high enough to take shatley starting job?
18:52
Speaker 1: Because I know Shotley was talking about that as his
18:54
Speaker 1: contenson and talking about if they bring a draft pick in,
18:56
Speaker 1: I'm ready to compete. And we had confidence when Shatley
18:59
Speaker 1: got his extension, that's your starting center and didn't bad
19:01
Speaker 1: an eye about it. Well, I don't think you. You say, well,
19:03
Speaker 1: we took him in the third round, so he's got
19:04
Speaker 1: to start right away. Um, if he comes in and
19:07
Speaker 1: shows what they saw it Kentucky. Remember that the scouting
19:09
Speaker 1: reporter got on him was they read a very complex
19:11
Speaker 1: blocking scheme in the ground attack. And so this is
19:14
Speaker 1: a smart kid. He's a little older, he's twenty four. Um,
19:17
Speaker 1: you know, if he comes in and shows greater strength
19:20
Speaker 1: and ability, and he does have the advantage this year
19:22
Speaker 1: with a new coaching staff, it's all new. It's not
19:24
Speaker 1: like Shatley has five years in the same system in
19:26
Speaker 1: front of him. Now, he does have eight years as
19:29
Speaker 1: a pro in front of him. But I don't think
19:31
Speaker 1: you say, well, he's a third round pick, he's gonna
19:33
Speaker 1: start on day one, but he might. I want to
19:35
Speaker 1: answer your question. They absolutely drafted him to start for
19:40
Speaker 1: five years. Now. I don't know if that five years
19:43
Speaker 1: is opening to start on opening day. But you don't
19:45
Speaker 1: draft an interior offensive lineman with the first pick of
19:49
Speaker 1: the third round, which means he's one of the type
19:51
Speaker 1: he was sixty overall. You draft interior offensive lineman there
19:56
Speaker 1: they d have to lender. Brad Meester was the second
20:00
Speaker 1: He's here to be a long term starter. Brad Meister
20:02
Speaker 1: was the second round pick um out of Northern Iowa,
20:05
Speaker 1: long term starter. A J. Can right wasn't a an
20:08
Speaker 1: all pro level guard, but he started for you for
20:11
Speaker 1: five years here, and he was a third round pick
20:13
Speaker 1: as well, so it's a premium pick. Yeah, yeah, those
20:16
Speaker 1: are starters. All right, Let's go to my to do
20:19
Speaker 1: list coming up for Trent Bulky. A lot to discuss
20:22
Speaker 1: here on druguards, drive time check, additions to the linebacker room.
20:26
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that more in the next segment.
20:28
Speaker 1: But I feel like you are set there in that
20:30
Speaker 1: room as of now, and and this is something I
20:33
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. Continues to make puns and press
20:36
Speaker 1: commerses not checked, but getting close. I had so many
20:38
Speaker 1: people say, Wow, Trent Bulky man, he was pretty funny.
20:41
Speaker 1: Wow he's so relaxed. Wow, he's much more approachable. Yeah,
20:44
Speaker 1: it's post the draft. It's way past his stressful area.
20:48
Speaker 1: And I don't think it goes unnoticed that Trent Bulky
20:50
Speaker 1: is making an effort to improve this image of especially
20:54
Speaker 1: on Twitter and social media. It's going notice that he's
20:57
Speaker 1: becoming much more approachable in his media of conferences in
21:01
Speaker 1: this was a notable topic this weekend. Look, he's in
21:04
Speaker 1: his month as a general manager here UM, I don't
21:10
Speaker 1: know how it's going to play out, but he took
21:14
Speaker 1: over as a first year general manager, and somehow everything
21:19
Speaker 1: that's happened has sort of got put on him, and
21:21
Speaker 1: you forget what an absolute train wreck it was. UM.
21:25
Speaker 1: I can't really put a finger as to why. There
21:27
Speaker 1: was some other reason that that was going on, and
21:31
Speaker 1: I just can't remember. So we'll move on. But the
21:34
Speaker 1: point is, UH, I don't know about San Francisco. I
21:37
Speaker 1: don't know about anything else. I do know, in the
21:40
Speaker 1: context of this thirteen or fourteen months, you're really just
21:43
Speaker 1: getting started in terms of how your legacy, how your
21:47
Speaker 1: building will be judged. UH so far, you know, if
21:51
Speaker 1: you just look at what he's done here, UH, no
21:54
Speaker 1: reason not to think that the job is being done well.
21:57
Speaker 1: And then he's a decent guy in terms of what
21:59
Speaker 1: we've seen. So people may have read the story of
22:02
Speaker 1: Marty Miller the Jaguar Scout that was posted on the
22:04
Speaker 1: website UH in February when his brother Matt, who was
22:07
Speaker 1: a longtime college quarterback, passed away of cancer an early age.
22:11
Speaker 1: I know we posted it via Gregorian, who I think
22:13
Speaker 1: you know wrote it. UM, and Marty's a longtime scout
22:16
Speaker 1: here and a good friend. And Marty's had a rough
22:18
Speaker 1: go of it. You know, father was a longtime GM
22:21
Speaker 1: and died last year, and then his brother and Marty
22:23
Speaker 1: deals with a nervous system disorder. And Marty and I
22:28
Speaker 1: had a long conversation. He said, Trent treats him amazing,
22:31
Speaker 1: uh and treats him really well. And so I said
22:35
Speaker 1: to Trent, hey, thanks, and Trent and I had the
22:36
Speaker 1: longest conversation we've had. I guess the point I'm trying
22:39
Speaker 1: to make his to go off on this is that
22:40
Speaker 1: the people who work for him think very highly of him. Right.
22:44
Speaker 1: The people in this building don't know about San Francisco,
22:46
Speaker 1: don't know about the jets where he was before. But
22:49
Speaker 1: if all we can do is judge the people that
22:51
Speaker 1: we know that talk to him, UM, Marty Miller, I
22:54
Speaker 1: hold him in the highest regard. And Marty swears that
22:58
Speaker 1: this is a good guy who's doing a good job.
23:00
Speaker 1: So I UM, I left our little interaction after Saturday
23:05
Speaker 1: night really encouraged about the future of this thing. And
23:07
Speaker 1: and it's easy to judge people that you only see
23:09
Speaker 1: through a camera line. It's so easy, so easy to
23:12
Speaker 1: take things that you may have read somewhere else, um,
23:14
Speaker 1: but people that I trust, and I just named him publicly,
23:18
Speaker 1: right because the story was on the website raved about him.
23:21
Speaker 1: Raved didn't just say, oh, he's a good guy, raved
23:23
Speaker 1: about him. I think it's worth pointing out because he
23:25
Speaker 1: took so much heat, so much heat, and as John said,
23:29
Speaker 1: it was piled on him, you know, justly or unjustly.
23:32
Speaker 1: And it was a really really strong endorsement. Yes, And
23:37
Speaker 1: I will go as far as to say, the people
23:38
Speaker 1: in the building who work for you are more important
23:40
Speaker 1: than the people on Twitter. And I know you'll retweet that, No,
23:43
Speaker 1: I don't have Twitter. But the people who the people
23:45
Speaker 1: who know are the people who work with you, not
23:49
Speaker 1: the people who watch you exactly. And that is trouble
23:52
Speaker 1: on this show, Sexy, because we could say whatever we
23:54
Speaker 1: want about you on Twitter. Yeah you can, because I
23:56
Speaker 1: don't care. And that is our to do list for
23:58
Speaker 1: Trent ball can. When we come back breaking down the
24:00
Speaker 1: new additions to the Linebacker Room and where it stands
24:03
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Speaker 1: dot com. We are back Jaguars Drive Time. A lot
24:34
Speaker 1: of additions to this linebacker rooms. We thought we'd have
24:37
Speaker 1: to break it down, show you this list of linebackers
24:39
Speaker 1: and where the heck are they going to play? How
24:41
Speaker 1: is this going to work? Because the great thing is, Brian,
24:44
Speaker 1: you have some options here, Yeah, you have a lot
24:46
Speaker 1: of options. What I think is interesting, um, is that
24:49
Speaker 1: they have Trayvon Walker listed as an outside linebacker. Right.
24:52
Speaker 1: There was conversation in the press conference about you know,
24:54
Speaker 1: him learning one in a position. Um. But an analyst
24:57
Speaker 1: in Vegas told me, don't be surprised if they don't
25:01
Speaker 1: try to use him like the Cowboys used Micah Parsons,
25:04
Speaker 1: putting him in a lot of different situations. Of course,
25:06
Speaker 1: I think that's what they did to Georgia from my
25:08
Speaker 1: limited experience with Bulldogs watching them last year, he made
25:12
Speaker 1: plays all over the field. Um. And then obviously I
25:15
Speaker 1: had the interaction with Devin Lloyd in Vegas and thought,
25:19
Speaker 1: did you guys see him when he was here? You
25:21
Speaker 1: obviously did He's tall and broad shoulders and long arms,
25:24
Speaker 1: and I mean he just looks like a modern linebacker.
25:27
Speaker 1: Now you got these two guys there, it's an exciting room.
25:32
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really eager to see them both on the field.
25:34
Speaker 1: They will both I think the day one starters. The
25:40
Speaker 1: wench pin. That's the wrong word. But the key to
25:42
Speaker 1: this class will be It's clear that Jaguars looked at
25:47
Speaker 1: this and said we want three linebackers in Muma, Walker
25:53
Speaker 1: and Lloyd who. When you look at it and you're
25:57
Speaker 1: trying to break down their role, the honest answer right
25:59
Speaker 1: now is I don't know what their roles will be sure,
26:02
Speaker 1: because they're all versatile players. Bucky Brooks, you did a
26:05
Speaker 1: great job with their draft coverage all weekend. Talked about
26:08
Speaker 1: all three of them, as to use the word, we
26:11
Speaker 1: teach them about a week and the Swiss Army knife
26:13
Speaker 1: got Uh. They can all do different things. They're going
26:17
Speaker 1: to bring Walker in and have him focus it outside
26:19
Speaker 1: linebackers so that he is focused on one area. But
26:23
Speaker 1: the whole key to this is versatile players who can
26:26
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. And what it's supposed
26:28
Speaker 1: to be a versatile defense. Uh, that goes against the
26:31
Speaker 1: grain a little bit from what you think rookies are
26:33
Speaker 1: capable of. In the long term. You wonder if in
26:38
Speaker 1: a year or two, when these guys all get up
26:41
Speaker 1: to speed, you might look back at this draft and say,
26:44
Speaker 1: these three guys are what enabled them to start playing
26:47
Speaker 1: defense the way Calledwell wanted to do it. Uh. I
26:51
Speaker 1: don't say gamble. Uh. We've got to see it play out.
26:55
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating because all three of these guys
26:57
Speaker 1: have such versatile roles and versatile abilities. You know, you
27:00
Speaker 1: have Mike Caldwell, who came up underneath Todd Bowls right,
27:05
Speaker 1: and Bowls is obviously one of the pedigree defensive minds.
27:08
Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued by all of these guys that they've added, right,
27:11
Speaker 1: I mean, Fatakasi upfront in full a lukan Alu kind
27:16
Speaker 1: of still gonna work on that. With Walker and Muma
27:19
Speaker 1: and Lloyd and um the additions in the secondary. I mean,
27:23
Speaker 1: they just they have really increased the talent level, and
27:26
Speaker 1: they've given them a guy that I think is a
27:29
Speaker 1: bright defensive mind. It'll be fun to see how quickly
27:31
Speaker 1: he can bring this group together. He's got to be
27:33
Speaker 1: so excited. We talked to him a little bit after
27:34
Speaker 1: the draft, and he's a more reserved guy. So I said,
27:36
Speaker 1: how excited and he goes, yeah, I'm excited. I was like, man,
27:39
Speaker 1: I was looking for more. They added all those guys
27:41
Speaker 1: in seventeen. You know, you bring in bringing Calais and
27:44
Speaker 1: you bring in uh A, J boy A and and
27:48
Speaker 1: they brought a lot of guys in and it clicked.
27:50
Speaker 1: It just worked quickly. Um, it'll be interesting to see
27:54
Speaker 1: if it can work that quickly here. I'm curious with
27:57
Speaker 1: Muma and they were talking about when we talked about
27:59
Speaker 1: them after the draft, you know the green dot, the
28:01
Speaker 1: play called the Communicator, that's what he's known for. A
28:03
Speaker 1: really smart guy. I'm curious how he fits into this
28:06
Speaker 1: because people were saying, Okay, well, yeah, he's gonna be
28:08
Speaker 1: your starter, and I have hesitancies to say that he's
28:10
Speaker 1: going to be a starter at this point. Well it's
28:13
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to when you're analyzing the draft.
28:15
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to print out the depth chart. A printer
28:18
Speaker 1: slan is people print things modern every days. That was
28:25
Speaker 1: a bad one, but everybody wants to print out the
28:28
Speaker 1: depth chart and say he's going to fit in here
28:30
Speaker 1: and he's going to play eighty two plays. He's going
28:33
Speaker 1: to play every place. Is what I want. That's what
28:34
Speaker 1: I want now, But that's not how it works when
28:37
Speaker 1: the reality is, especially in this scheme, you need fifteen
28:40
Speaker 1: or sixteen guys who can all play and do it,
28:44
Speaker 1: and who can all start. If all you have ever
28:48
Speaker 1: eleven and all of a sudden you're playing two or
28:51
Speaker 1: three different packages, they're going to expose that or fourteenth
28:54
Speaker 1: guy if he can't play. I think with Mamma and
28:57
Speaker 1: with a Louikluikican, I'm sorry, Uh, those two guys. You
29:03
Speaker 1: have two guys can wear the dot. That's what you
29:05
Speaker 1: want because if one gets hurt, you another one who
29:07
Speaker 1: can do it. I don't know if we know if
29:09
Speaker 1: Moon was gonna start, if he's gonna play thirty four
29:11
Speaker 1: plays a game, he's gonna play forty two. But I
29:14
Speaker 1: think you've got multiple guys at at the linebacker position
29:17
Speaker 1: who can play all these schemes. And I know we'll
29:20
Speaker 1: be concerned about the depth chart, but I think when
29:23
Speaker 1: you're watching the game, you're not going to have a
29:26
Speaker 1: real feel for who started and who didn't, because they're
29:29
Speaker 1: all going to be playing roles. You're old enough to
29:31
Speaker 1: remember the Cowboys um pre printers, printers, pre salary cap here.
29:36
Speaker 1: Remember the Cowboys were stacked on defense and and when
29:39
Speaker 1: free agency came around, it robbed them of a lot
29:42
Speaker 1: of guys. They had so many guys and that was
29:44
Speaker 1: Dave want Stat and he just rolled guys in. It
29:46
Speaker 1: didn't matter who started. They had, you know, five cornerbacks
29:49
Speaker 1: and four safeties and linebackers more than you could count.
29:52
Speaker 1: And it just seemed like, Wow, these Cowboys are ridiculously talented. Well,
29:55
Speaker 1: you don't see that in this game much because free
29:58
Speaker 1: agency takes guys away, the recap limits keeping them. So
30:01
Speaker 1: if you find a bunch of rookies and you know,
30:03
Speaker 1: right now, find a starting spot from Muma, where where
30:06
Speaker 1: is he going to start? Right? You're bringing a loucap
30:08
Speaker 1: where's he gonna start? Um? But if you can roll
30:11
Speaker 1: him in and take a guy off the field in
30:13
Speaker 1: certain situations and packages, it really becomes interesting. And Mike
30:17
Speaker 1: Caldwell kind of like Mike Smith used to do here
30:20
Speaker 1: back in the day. He'll be up all night on
30:22
Speaker 1: Tuesday coming up with a game plan and maximizing each
30:26
Speaker 1: player in each matchup that he's got better him than me. Yeah, right,
30:29
Speaker 1: I mean they've got Hey, look, these guys have to
30:31
Speaker 1: come in, Lloyd and Mum have got to come in,
30:33
Speaker 1: and they've got to prove it. But if they're as
30:35
Speaker 1: talented as they're expected to be, Mann does my cold
30:39
Speaker 1: will have a lot of versatility in his game plan. Yes,
30:42
Speaker 1: it's a game of packages and schemes. It's not the
30:45
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies where it's just a depth chart. To me,
30:48
Speaker 1: Muma is a starter and Lloyd is a starter because
30:52
Speaker 1: you start fourteen or fifteen guys and absolutely, and it's crazy.
30:56
Speaker 1: We asked Mike call, well, you know how much different
30:58
Speaker 1: is your job right now? You can't man, and now
31:00
Speaker 1: you have free agency in the draft, and your defense
31:02
Speaker 1: looks totally different. Not to mention the departures Miles Jack
31:04
Speaker 1: for example, He's like, yeah, but it's a good problem
31:07
Speaker 1: to have for for sure. And think about the turnover
31:09
Speaker 1: in this defense. I believe from two thousand nineteen or
31:15
Speaker 1: twenty Josh Allen the last key guy remaining. I believe
31:19
Speaker 1: from the two thousand nineteen teams, So it's or two thousand,
31:24
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever, it's been a remarkable turnover in
31:27
Speaker 1: terms of personnel, with Josh really being the only core
31:30
Speaker 1: player in You just throw this out to um. We've
31:32
Speaker 1: talked about all these guys and and and fully and
31:35
Speaker 1: um the addition of Trayvon but Robertson Harris played pretty
31:40
Speaker 1: big at times last year and was really good against
31:42
Speaker 1: the run. And Malcolm Brown is a veteran guy, and
31:45
Speaker 1: now you're rolling him in and giving him, you know,
31:48
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty targeted snaps per game. He'll be much
31:51
Speaker 1: better in that role. This is a defense that has
31:54
Speaker 1: legitimate aspirations for incredible growth this year. They should be
31:58
Speaker 1: much much much better. Yes they will. Fingers crossed. Coming
32:02
Speaker 1: back on coming up on Jaguars Drive Time, some closing
32:05
Speaker 1: thoughts here on the Jaguars Digital Network. We're back to
32:14
Speaker 1: Jaguars Drive Time to Zay brought to you by Jet
32:16
Speaker 1: Home Loans. A much slower week than it was last week,
32:19
Speaker 1: and I think that is a blessing for all. But
32:21
Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast is back with Bucky Brooks. He's
32:23
Speaker 1: not tired of you yet, even though he worked. He's
32:26
Speaker 1: exhausted of me, but he's not exhausted the draft. And again,
32:30
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about Bucky's coverage over last weekend,
32:33
Speaker 1: and uh, it'll be one final huddle up looking back
32:36
Speaker 1: in the draft. So I'll be curious, uh what he
32:39
Speaker 1: has to say. And I have to remind people because
32:41
Speaker 1: I had someone asked me the other day, so why
32:43
Speaker 1: is Bucky Brooks come and work with the Jaguars. He
32:45
Speaker 1: was a key part of that nineties six team that
32:47
Speaker 1: had that late run into the playoffs that John and
32:50
Speaker 1: I covered, h he was key on special teams in
32:52
Speaker 1: Nickel and Dime pack It just people like he played here. Yes, yes,
32:55
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks was here and yes, and he is a
32:59
Speaker 1: really super knowledgeable football mind. He really is. We were
33:02
Speaker 1: watching the draft and it was the fifth round. He's like, oh, yeah,
33:05
Speaker 1: that guy and he plays here and he does this,
33:06
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, he went into scouting and
33:08
Speaker 1: he worked in He worked in a couple of different
33:10
Speaker 1: places as a scout before getting into the media side.
33:12
Speaker 1: So he knows it and he loves it. And more importantly, uh,
33:16
Speaker 1: of all the franchise, the Raiders, the Packers, the places
33:19
Speaker 1: that he played, Kansas City, Um, he considers Jacksonville. He's
33:22
Speaker 1: home and we're all grateful that he did. Very incredibly knowledgeable,
33:25
Speaker 1: very cool Football Mine On Thursday Jaguars Happier and myself
33:29
Speaker 1: and Jeff Logman are going to have a defensive coach
33:31
Speaker 1: on to talk about these five editions. That'll be fun.
33:33
Speaker 1: And then Rookie Mini Camp is next weekend. St Yes,
33:38
Speaker 1: it is a very large day, it really is. And
33:41
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that we do okay.
33:43
Speaker 1: So root for me. We're confident in you. Thank you
33:46
Speaker 1: very much. When we come back. We don't come back.
33:47
Speaker 1: This is the end of the show. You already screwed
33:51
Speaker 1: it up. Already screwed it up. Good luck on years
33:53
Speaker 1: to Phil. We'll see you next week on Jaguars Drive Time.