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Ep. 260: The Wet Spot · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: first thing, I was gonna start off talking about how
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  Speaker 1: disappointed I am at Chester's job, of the how bad
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  Speaker 1: of a job he did it hanging up some things
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  Speaker 1: he was supposed to hang up in the studio here.
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible. He doesn't hang him up like I do. No,
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  Speaker 1: like they're they're they go together, but they're cock eyed.
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  Speaker 1: And then and then he allowed. But what I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about instead? Yeah, I mean the fray. It's a
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  Speaker 1: pissport frame job. But it didn't improve any with the
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  Speaker 1: hanging got good thing. You were in in Mexico with
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  Speaker 1: us because someone else followed Chester's grocery list that he
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  Speaker 1: wrote up for us, and you wouldn't believe what was
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  Speaker 1: on it. More so, what was we had literally stacks
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  Speaker 1: towers of containers of doughnuts. There's never been a donut
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  Speaker 1: on a media shoot. Ever, I donuts, man, Um, what
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  Speaker 1: else was there? Seth that was really out of place? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Soda pop, multiple cases of SODA's. I'm like coach right now.
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  Speaker 1: And then in Mexico, we'll sometimes get to thinking I
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  Speaker 1: might like a soda water, but then I drink half
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  Speaker 1: of it and I just feel like going to brushing
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  Speaker 1: my teeth. Yeah. Well, when you're down there, you get
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  Speaker 1: caught up in because it's like the special Mexican soda
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  Speaker 1: that you they were, Yeah, you do get caught up
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  Speaker 1: in that. Instead, we're gonna talk about part two, so
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  Speaker 1: like it doesn't really matter to you folks, but the
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  Speaker 1: more episode. We've got more episodes up on Netflix starting
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  Speaker 1: uh February seventeen. February seventeen, four days after I turned
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  Speaker 1: a whopping can you believe it? I can been alive
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  Speaker 1: that long? Yeah, and you're still tearing up the mountains.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like an inspiration for old people. Yeah, you're you're
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  Speaker 1: throwaway episodes Good Ones coming up. Um. I'm pointing this
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  Speaker 1: out because I like this person's name Sondra. How do
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  Speaker 1: you if your name is Sandra? What is your name
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  Speaker 1: Sandra Sonja? Yeah, I would pronounce that Sonya. Oh, I'll
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  Speaker 1: still do it anyway. I was mostly interested in her name.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you know what, there's this artist. Check this out.
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  Speaker 1: There's this artist. She's not you. You wouldn't freaking believe here.
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  Speaker 1: You want to talk about someone who's good at making art. Well,
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  Speaker 1: my favorite you know, my favorite artist is Seth girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: So don't don't be thinking that that's not the case.
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  Speaker 1: But this Seth Plugger. What's her instagram? Yea, because I
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  Speaker 1: don't listen, I'm gonna talk about another artist. But this
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  Speaker 1: isn't This is meant all a rising tide, Seth, A
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  Speaker 1: rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah, see what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's I'm being metaphorical for sure. Okay now
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  Speaker 1: this okay? Plug her ka underscore Ray John's. Yeah, she's
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  Speaker 1: emerging as um emerging as the greatest wildlife artist of
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  Speaker 1: all time. Meanwhile, hot on her heels. There's an artist
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  Speaker 1: her on her Her instagram is Jamie Wild Art. Jamie
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  Speaker 1: Wild Art. She does these like things of dogs that
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  Speaker 1: look like it's like I can't even tell I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the kind of guy that measures art as being that
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  Speaker 1: it looks a lot like a photo, but like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't you know, but it's so weird, like look at this,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's a pencil drawing. It's like it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like only when you leave it like unfinished, you realize
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  Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Anyways, she's offering to make me
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  Speaker 1: an art piece, and I've been telling her I want
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  Speaker 1: an art piece of wolves killing a buffalo, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't want I want it to be like actually with
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  Speaker 1: its guts hanging out, like like mortally wounded, but still
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  Speaker 1: on its feet, with one of them pulling at its
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  Speaker 1: intestines and stuff. And I said, I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: squash you creative, but that's what I'm picturing when I
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  Speaker 1: closed my eyes, and she's gonna try to work it
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  Speaker 1: up nice, I'll be sweet. Uh how did I get
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  Speaker 1: on there? Oh, sony, because Krane made those duck feet
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  Speaker 1: earrings with my little daughter wore around a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: and then our dog, your dog ate one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Like my pair of earrings is now earring, She say,
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  Speaker 1: more in line for like a guy with one earring.
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  Speaker 1: Did she swallow the metal too. We can't figure out
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  Speaker 1: she got it, and we can't find the metal and she,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think an X ray maybe in
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  Speaker 1: order because she's fine, Okay, I mean it was like
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  Speaker 1: she's weird stuff. She had a game bag once. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but the what like, you know, the wires all hooked
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  Speaker 1: and were those from your speckle belly feet? No, um no,
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  Speaker 1: there there were. I think there. I couldn't. I separated
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  Speaker 1: my some of the speckled belly feet from the specs,
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  Speaker 1: and then there's a thing about not being able to
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  Speaker 1: transport that, so I left them there. But then I
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  Speaker 1: have also I also have frozen geese with the feet on,
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  Speaker 1: but I think if I defrost them and make earrings
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  Speaker 1: out of that, it's just not the same because it's
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  Speaker 1: like all wet and frozen and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's going to dry out the same way. There's not
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  Speaker 1: that much water and those things. Anyways, you're golden. I'll
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  Speaker 1: make another pair. Sonia Sondio she makes Kyote bacculammear rings,
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  Speaker 1: which you're great, beautiful, But the weird part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason I bring it up is um so she makes
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  Speaker 1: like kyote packerbone earrings but she points out that her
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  Speaker 1: husband does not. She kind of like spells it like trump,
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  Speaker 1: like it's all upper case, does not like these. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, why you can't even come up with one
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  Speaker 1: reason that Her husband went like, well, does it feel
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  Speaker 1: like is he like jealous of the kyo? Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, Like what is he like does he feel
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  Speaker 1: that it's like emblematic of him being emasculated? Like I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand, Like what's not to like about it? No?
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  Speaker 1: I just think that, Uh, the same people that probably
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  Speaker 1: just get a little squeamish when you're just talking about
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  Speaker 1: pecker bones might get a little squeamish and uncomfortable when
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  Speaker 1: their wife is has a peckerbone hanging off her ear. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm always telling people they might need
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  Speaker 1: to get a new wife of this girl might need
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  Speaker 1: to get a new husband. When we're when we're coon
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  Speaker 1: hunting down in Arkansas, we should bring those pecker bones
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  Speaker 1: back for current so she can make some big earrings.
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  Speaker 1: Many I'll get my ears pierced if I had at
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  Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, oh man, that would be epic. I
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  Speaker 1: thinks Steve needs like a single piercing. Who's that dude?
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  Speaker 1: That used to do sixty minutes had that earringley Good job, dog,
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  Speaker 1: I forgot about you up there. That's dog during ladies.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just here for information. Uh, Clay Nucomb is going
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  Speaker 1: to be making a video for the meat eata dot
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  Speaker 1: com and how to make a raccoon vacuum makes it.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna make a video about how to steal it
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  Speaker 1: from the radcousy, how to clean it. Maybe exactly at
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  Speaker 1: that point, you're just like a drill bit away from
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  Speaker 1: having earrings. So check that video out. I want to
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  Speaker 1: get into Clay's business and just make videos about stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting to me. Um, you kind of do, but
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  Speaker 1: just like quicker turn, you know, a quick turn. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: We never talked about this last time, but we teed
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  Speaker 1: it up because I was talking about how I remember
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  Speaker 1: how like when uh who was it? John no? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: That like when Elvis died as Colin was supposy pack
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  Speaker 1: full of cheeseburgers, and um, we covered on this thing.
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  Speaker 1: We cat quite a few episodes ago. We covered about
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  Speaker 1: this thousand year old like a mummified a mummified carcass.
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  Speaker 1: There was a thousand years old from a man I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember wearing in the desert southwest, and he had
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  Speaker 1: had evidence of having um uh you know, a disorder
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  Speaker 1: that caused him to have this enlarged uh colon. And
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  Speaker 1: how I had two point five see what this guy
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  Speaker 1: had two point five pounds of what what? This guy
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  Speaker 1: doesn't realize. This guy is pointing out that that's not
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  Speaker 1: that bad. Two point five pounds a feaces and the
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  Speaker 1: colon is not bad. But this is a mummified colon, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's like it's just different. So it's not with them.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell it would weighed with
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  Speaker 1: all the moisture in it. Either way, what was interesting
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  Speaker 1: about this individuals They were doing some work on this
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  Speaker 1: and they realized that he'd probably died from this disorder
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  Speaker 1: he had, but in the final days or weeks of
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  Speaker 1: his life, he had been eating um grasshoppers with the
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  Speaker 1: legs and head removed. I believe so like the softer
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  Speaker 1: what's that part of a bug, the abdomen or the
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  Speaker 1: thorax off a grasshopper, like the soft part? Believe, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think the upper part. I'm developing that problem with
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  Speaker 1: Spencer that I used to have with Rick, Like I
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  Speaker 1: feel that they'll know something yeah, but they don't. There's
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  Speaker 1: just a lot on the line here. If I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to say, but I was waiting for I
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  Speaker 1: don't think special will go the lengths of like to
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  Speaker 1: hide the Yeah, he just like, yeah, he starts just
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  Speaker 1: digging a hole. If he doesn't know, he like. He's
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  Speaker 1: good at he's good at making you feel like that
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  Speaker 1: he knows. In fact, he might not know. Uh. This
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  Speaker 1: guy bad mole from this two point five pound colon
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  Speaker 1: was telling us that at the Philadelphia Mutter Museum, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what that is. I trusted it's real. They
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  Speaker 1: have on display a colon of a man who was
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  Speaker 1: born in the eight hundreds who at the time of
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  Speaker 1: death had a colon. It was forty pounds forty pound coal.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds painful. That killed him. That would be a
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  Speaker 1: fourth Now how much do I weigh? I can't do
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  Speaker 1: the math quick enough. That'd be like a lot. That'd
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  Speaker 1: be a huge colon for me. That's terrible. You wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: believe it if the picture wasn't there, Like no, but
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  Speaker 1: it looks like a dried out because there's nothing for scale.
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  Speaker 1: They should have put a burger next to it. If
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  Speaker 1: they had a cheeseburger next to it, because right now
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I could be looking at a scant yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or maybe like a like a one pound or even
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  Speaker 1: two pound ribby next to it. Yeah, well burgers like,
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  Speaker 1: but a burger is more kind of like a burgers.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a known size. Yeah, but we can put
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  Speaker 1: a river by by it. It's it's looking like a
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  Speaker 1: dry out nightcrawler. I think it looks like a coyote scat.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, yeah, like a crawler that got you know,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they'll get themselves caught up after a rainstorm. They
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  Speaker 1: come out and then it dries up. Well no, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but you're right, like when you find them at your
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  Speaker 1: dry wherever. I'm talking at too about how now and
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  Speaker 1: then one will get out of the bedding and get
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  Speaker 1: up around the lip of the worm container and then
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  Speaker 1: he'll get in a tight spot get all dried out. Um.
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  Speaker 1: Another piece of interesting feedback, a law enforcement officer rode in.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about stacking charges on people. So we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about that that In a recent episode, I was discussing
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  Speaker 1: how there's like, for instance, there's a there's a prohibition.
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  Speaker 1: You know, states all have prohibitions on bartering and trading
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  Speaker 1: um wildlife meaning is technically illegal for you to say
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  Speaker 1: to your body like, hey, uh, I just caught a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of walleye. If you want to bring me by
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  Speaker 1: a backstrap off your buck, I'll hit choose the walleife
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  Speaker 1: fleas Like you're technically breaking the law. You're you're like
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  Speaker 1: formally bartering. Now. Were you to say to your buddy,
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  Speaker 1: I love you so much, Um, here's some walleife flays
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  Speaker 1: and your buddy says, by god, I love you so much.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a backstrap. Everybody's cool, okay, but it's like a
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  Speaker 1: formal bartering. And I was talking about how this guy
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  Speaker 1: in Wyoming, uh, an attorney in Wyoming, he's done a
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  Speaker 1: lot of work for the Fishing Game Agency, had said,
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  Speaker 1: the only time we ever hit anybody with that in
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  Speaker 1: some other arcane or not arcane, some other little known
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  Speaker 1: laws is one where really stacking a bunch of stuff
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  Speaker 1: on someone like you got a real bad character and
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  Speaker 1: you want to make sure that something sticks on him.
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  Speaker 1: After plea bargaining and everything, you started adding on all
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  Speaker 1: these things that you'd otherwise never go and apply to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy writes in that he had this dude
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  Speaker 1: who became he had this meth head. Um, he said,
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  Speaker 1: a meth amphetamine addict. He says, what we refer to
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  Speaker 1: as a meth head who he even he even names
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  Speaker 1: the guy. Can we talk about this guy's name. I'll
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  Speaker 1: tell you what his initials are. I just noticed his
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  Speaker 1: initials are BS. Not making this up. BS became a
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  Speaker 1: a C unit specialist, became a specialist at stealing a
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  Speaker 1: C units. In one night, stole out of an apartment building.
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  Speaker 1: Help me out with this, Help me out out of
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  Speaker 1: an apartmability one night stole eight a C units. M Hm,
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  Speaker 1: they were working the case. But you gotta say what
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  Speaker 1: he was doing with until it makes sense, is that
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  Speaker 1: he was pulling the copper like it was just the
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  Speaker 1: way that he figured out how to make quick money
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  Speaker 1: was to pull an a C unit, pull the copper
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  Speaker 1: from it, and then sell it. You know at that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess some kind of like a salvage yard of
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  Speaker 1: recycling center, and then go buy his drugs, which causes
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  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars in damage, and he yields about fifty
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  Speaker 1: dollars in copper. Each one yields fifty bucks in copper
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  Speaker 1: said talking about not and I don't want to name
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  Speaker 1: these guys I went to high school with. I knew
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  Speaker 1: some guys in high school. The hot wired a bulldozer.
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  Speaker 1: Went to a construction site, hot wired a bulldozer, use
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  Speaker 1: the bulldoz. These guys, these dudes could take I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was before. I think these guys could take like
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  Speaker 1: a like a piece of heavy equipment apart. And as
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  Speaker 1: they take it apart, they would just throw all the bolts.
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  Speaker 1: They could take your truck like apart, throw all the
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  Speaker 1: bolts into a five gallon bucket. I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: taking pictures of ship. Put all the bolts in a
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  Speaker 1: five gallon bucket, and then turn around and put that
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  Speaker 1: thing back together the way they found it. Mechanical geniuses.
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  Speaker 1: They hot wire a bulldozer, stole a giant coil of
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  Speaker 1: coated copper cable, got a big ripping fire going burned
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  Speaker 1: all the coating off. Like at a point you could
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  Speaker 1: just get a job. I mean, like the model of
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  Speaker 1: like work and risk and stuff involved this guy. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: how much did they make off of that? Do you
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  Speaker 1: know remember what they made off? And that was like
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  Speaker 1: their endgame. This copper, the copper is valuable. So they
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  Speaker 1: went through all this and then had to burn all
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  Speaker 1: the coating off and burned all the coating off in
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  Speaker 1: the fire and had like a big black blob or there.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds like they're just the kind of guys that didn't
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  Speaker 1: like having a boss. Then it sounds like there's a
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  Speaker 1: there's a dude that got I was telling you about. Dude,
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  Speaker 1: he got caught poaching elk up on my hunting camp
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  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. He shot that bullet, scored scored four sixty.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense that a bull could score
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  Speaker 1: four sixty. Well it did, I believe you. Um, you
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  Speaker 1: showed me the article. He was just doing it to
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  Speaker 1: cut the antlers off and sell him. It's like, why
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  Speaker 1: don't you just get a job, because you don't get
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  Speaker 1: to you don't have a job shooting out When did
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  Speaker 1: this happen? But burning copper? Coding? Like if you put
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  Speaker 1: to me like, hey man, I got a job for
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  Speaker 1: you in which you'll go shoot four sixty bulls or
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  Speaker 1: you can go make a fire and burn copper. That's true,
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  Speaker 1: but I think he's still sitting in prison for it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so this this officer starts working this case
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  Speaker 1: and he knows that when he gets this guy for
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  Speaker 1: stealing a C units, nothing's gonna happen to him. Keep
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  Speaker 1: reading this article, honestly, can help me out where I
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  Speaker 1: run into trouble. Well, he winds up doing. Tell everybody
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  Speaker 1: what he winds up doing. Yeah, what the guys in
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  Speaker 1: jail for. Yeah. He researches the e p A Clean
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  Speaker 1: Air Act and violations that he could get under it,
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  Speaker 1: and found out that, oh, let's see, this is which
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  Speaker 1: tall Kansas. Yeah, federal, he's charging with federal EPA violations. Um,
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  Speaker 1: now he's housing a really nice federal prison. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I missed the part of for what what
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  Speaker 1: the actual charge was too, But it's basically for releasing
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  Speaker 1: free on into the air. I'm looking at the article
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  Speaker 1: right now. Yep. Faces he went to jail for this.
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  Speaker 1: B S faces three counts of venting a class to
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  Speaker 1: substance and violation of federal law. Each count carries a
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  Speaker 1: potential sentence of five years, two or fifty and fine.
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  Speaker 1: And you get that it's sort of like when they
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  Speaker 1: cracked al Capone for tax evasion, rather than all the
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  Speaker 1: people that he had murdered and all the other things.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the one thing they could get him on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and O J O J ended up going to jail
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  Speaker 1: for stealing his own T shirts, like for stealing his
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  Speaker 1: own memorabilia, not for killing his wife and a waiter
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  Speaker 1: with a knife. I think an interesting detail is that
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  Speaker 1: this guy, this detective is from the Gang and Felony
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  Speaker 1: Assault Unit investigations. So how he ended up prosecuting this
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  Speaker 1: guy for a violation of the Clean Air Act is
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty Uh, that's a guy who's doing overtime. You know.
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  Speaker 1: The article said they still have like long term impact
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  Speaker 1: as well, because this is a common method among meth
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  Speaker 1: heads to like turn a dime. So they said anytime
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  Speaker 1: anybody's doing this now they're going to get hit with
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  Speaker 1: the E p A Act. Oh so it was a
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: common thing. It's you and a C unit, That's that's
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: what it made it sound like. Well that that was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a whole storyline. If anyone seemed the wire anyone on HBO,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not the copper tubing. Well, the drug
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: addicts and the wire steel a bunch of copper from
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: construction sites and stuff to get drug money. I think
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I get Yeah, one of my favorite short story Collections
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: of all Time is Dennis Johnson's Jesus Son and In
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: jesus Son. Yeah, it's name comes from the Velvet Underground.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: You know when I'm rushing on my run and I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: feel just like Jesus Son heroin um in it. These
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: two guys go and going to a house that's been
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: repossessed by the bank and spend their whole day busting
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the walls out to get all the copper wiring out
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of the house. At some point, one of the guys
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: wonders to the other guy who owns the house, and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the guy reveals that it's actually his house. And then
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that night they have they go to the bar and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they talk about how the drinks take so much better
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: after a good day at hard work than like their
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: normal workless routine. Um, what do you think, Doug? We got?
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: How should we lay this out? How itch are you?
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: How itching? Nowre you to go? How itch nowre you
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: to tear it up? Or should we go into this
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: other thing we got to talk about? You talk about
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: whatever you want. Man, I'm just here for the the duration,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: So whenever you want to come to me, oh, I'll
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: be here, You'll be You'll be here waiting. Um, you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: owe me one and fifty dollars. Doug, Yeah, that's on
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the way. Doug and made a four years ago, four
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: years ago or some amount of time for over four
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: years ago that Doug felt that that Trump wouldn't finish
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: his first term, and I was like, I think you will,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and Doug out all. I had it around the Mueller probe.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I got all excited around the Ukraine probe. I got
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: all excited around the attempted coup. And then in the end, oh,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: at the last minute, when he got excited about I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: got so excited when he got that excited he um he.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I said, if you're that excited, Doug, let's throw down
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: more money dogs like I need odds. And then I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was like, I'll give it you to one odds. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Doug puts another fifty in and then on the last
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like the day before the inauguration, Doug he had some
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: other thing about well, you know, it's always like I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: don't know what kind of helicopter mechanics they got down there,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: but and dougs like, you know, and I said, Doug,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I'll give you ten to one if you want to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: add more money to our bet. If you're if you're
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: at the point where you're bank where it's gonna be
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: a helicopter issue. So now Doug goes me hunt for
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the bucks, which I need to use. I need the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: money because I owe people money for the bet I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: lost about I was I made two beats a hundred
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: bucks apiece that he'd do a second term. So I'm
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: waiting on your money to then turn around and send
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that money plus fifty more dollars. So I'm still in
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: the hole on this whole thing. But I didn't make
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a thousand. I am looking to make a thousand bucks
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: off pebble mind. Anyway, we'll come back to you, Doug. Alright,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Uh K, Spencer, get into this whole thing. This is
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: some interesting stuff, man. This is the kind of story
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that starts making gravy. You know, it unmakes gravy. It's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: kind of it's kind of been that way. People were
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: trying to have it make gravy, but then the gravy
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: has rather than thickened, the gravy has thinned. Yeah. All
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: uh on that point, like there can you keep it
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: all in gravy terms? On that point. Before we started
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the conversation, there was a quote, um, from a reporter
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: on this story that said, this is like a bad
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: horror movie. It's missing a lot of plot points, basically
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: implying that there's just not enough information yet right from investigators.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So what we're gonna be talking about is a tragedy
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: that happened on Monday on Real Foot Lake in northwest Tennessee.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I gotta jump in, uh, Phil, you know real fote like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: because we've discussed it on the show you a few times,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: and do you remember when you had to put in
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the audio of how on Real Foot Lake they have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: a calling strategy where you go I to call in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Mallard's that lake. Is this lake? Okay, that's there, So
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: we've covered is it. I'm guessing it's really popular then
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: massively duck hunting. So just so fills up speed and film.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe you can put that that guy yelling back in
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: again to remind people. M I I I, I'll interrupt
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: the hundred more times, but now you're right. It's it's
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: a historic duck hunting lake in the Mississippi Flyaway. Um.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And when we're talking about the story, I think it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: important to understand like a little bit about the lake.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna read the description from the Tennessee State Park website.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Real Foot Lake State Park is located in northwest corner
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: of Tennessee and is noted for its fishing, boating, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: wildlife viewing. Theft thousand acre lake was created by a
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: series of violent earthquakes in eighteen eleven and eighteen twelve
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that caused the Mississippi River to flow backwards for a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: short period of time, creating real Foot Lake. So essentially
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the new badge of earthquake. Yes, this is an enormous
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: water body with the average depth of six foot and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it's just a giant flooded forest with a lot of
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: vegetation on the surface and submerge cypress stumps. That ye,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: earthquake right around the war was right around the ward.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Did you take the challenge when I asked you to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: discuss the botanist Bradbury? I forgot about it almost immediately
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: after we hung up the phone, So I did not
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: take your challenge. There was a dude, There was an
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: English botanist that had come to America to do a survey,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a botany survey of the American West. He another thing
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: he was interested in. You know, people don't know if
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: people know this honey bees are not native here. And
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this guy was interested in um check has checked in.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: His name is Bradbury. William was interested in that the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: honey bees were always like ahead of civil ahead of civilization,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that they that that honeybees colonized land ahead of Europeans.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: But he comes out to do this deal, to do
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: this big uh gather up all this vegetation and he
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: wants to publish on you know, vegetation of the American West,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: John Bradbury, John Bradbury. He's got like an assistant with him.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: At some point he wraps up his project and sends
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the assistant home with all these trunks full of all
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of his samples, and he's got a fig or two
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: he wants to get taken care of, and gets way
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: laid by the new managed earthquake when the river flows backwards.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Gets delayed by that and over this like changes his
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: route home and tries to go down through Louisiana. The
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: War of eighteen twelve starts up, and the guys like
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: he doesn't get back to it. He's like two years
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: late getting back. Now, if you're like two days later,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: you get all stressed out. The guy that gets home
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: two years late. His assistant meanwhile steals his ship and
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and and publishes the piece she thought he was dead.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, we should get him on the podcast,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: look him up, get him on the podcast. But did
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: you can get one of those those mediums, one of
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: those people that communicate. Did he contest it? Like, was
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: he able to get it back? Is under his name
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: or yeah? Something like that one on? But that my uh,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that's why I was asking Spencer to dig in, but
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: he forgot about It's really you would just tell me
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: that flat out that you just she also chose not
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: out to the research. I'm not gonna be rick and
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: try to get in a hole here. You manage an
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: earthquake river the Wilco has a song or no what
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Wilco used to be before they're Wilco Uncle Tupelo. They
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: had a song about that earthquake go on. So what
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about this murder is just what
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: has been said from the district attorney or what was
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: said on the Back to the Lodge podcast. Now, the
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: host of the Back to the Lodge podcast is a
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: friend of the witness to the murders, So I would
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: um lend some ability to what he had to say.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: He's he's a secondhand person and uh, I would say,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: one of the best sources within the first three days
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of this happening. Um, you're gonna ask me to clarify
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of things or add more details and probably
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: not gonna have them. Well, I would just like to UM,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna lean away from my microphone after I
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: say this. I would like you to cover the ways
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in which people, um sought to assign a narrative to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: this that would uh support certain criticisms of hunting on
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: this lake. Okay, leaning back, So Monday morning, Yeah, in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the date just because this is now, it's like February
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: fift but it happened with January. Oh, what we'll do
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: man later, we'll uh, I leaned back forward. UM, you
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: can just put your updates. We'll put like updates or something. Sure,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: we we've been updating the story on our website, so
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: as like even more information becomes available, you'll find stuff there.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Certainly the story of change. By the time this episode drops.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: This happened Monday morning, January. All that was really known
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: was that a seven year old suspect was sought for
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: killing a twenty six year old and a twenty five
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: year old duck hunter. Early speculation on Facebook and forums
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: was that there was a dispute. There were local reporters
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: even reporting that there was a dispute. Some said it
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: was over a blind. This lake is said to have
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: six hundred duck hunting blinds, a mix of private and public.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Some of them you can earn by like being in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: a draw system, um. Some of them are like staked
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: out for the season from what I've understood some some
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: people said it was a dispute over a blind. Other
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: people said that it was an argument over sky busting
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: or shooting at swinging birds. The blinds tend to get
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: piled up on this lake in a way that if
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: ducks are decoying to one blind, somebody in another blind
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: could have the opportunity to shoot at those birds before
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: they make it to the hunter that's actually calling them.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: So that was also in the early speculation Monday night
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: that was sort of like the accepted story that this
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: seventy year old man left his blind, came over to
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the blind of the year old and year old and
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: shot him for sky busting birds or shooting at swinging ducks.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: To his decoys and this UM. It was like it
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: had sort of become a story of the culture of
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Real foot Leg. When you saw this talked about on Facebook,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: people were like, why am I not surprised? Like, of
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: course it was Real foot Leg. I knew right away
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: when I heard this story there's gonna be a real
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: foot Leg. There's so many problems there with bullying and
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: intimidation UM and conflicts between non residents and residents and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: guides and d I y ar is um that this
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is just a product that has been boiling up for decades.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: So that was like the early story of what had happened.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: We've since learned that it seems as though that's not
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: the reality of of what took place. So what I'll
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: what I'll tell you now is like what we've learned,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, from the District Attorney and the podcast
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: UM where the host had sort of second and information
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: year old Zach Grooms, twenty year old Chance Black, and
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: fifty eight year old Jeff Crabtree got to their duck
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: mind about six am. On Real Foot Lake. At nine
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or ten am, a boat approaches the blind. The person
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: in the boat is the suspect seventy year old David Vowel.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: He asked if he can join the three hunters and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: they said yes. Boal then loads his gun and shoots
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Grooms at point blank range in the chest. What has
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: been said on the podcast is that Um, the other
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: hunters thought that they just witnessed a tragic accident. They
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: rush over to Grooms and as they're like trying to
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: help Grooms, Vowel then shoots Black in the side, killing
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: him as well. So the seven year old has now
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: shot the twenty six year old and the year old
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: within minutes of arriving at their blind asking me if
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: he can hunt with them. So now we have the
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: seventy year old left and the fifty eight year old
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Jeff Crabtree left. Crabtree wrestles the gun away from Vowel,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: strikes him with the butt of the gun, knocks Vowel
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: into the lake, and throws the shotgun into the water.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: The water at their blind was about waist deep. Investigators
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: later recovered the gun and said a third shell was
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: in the gun, but it was jammed. Um. So some
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: have suspected that Vowel was also going to try to
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: shoot crab Tree. Now in Tennessee or it is probably
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: a federal law. I guess right, you could have to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: have a UG and you're gone. You can only have
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: three shells. So that was his third shell. Um. Nobody
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: has officially said that, right, vow was going to shoot Crabtree,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: but that's some early speculation that this third shell was
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: jammed in the recovered show, did he have a if
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you had a semi auto, it just would have cycled
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: on its own. I don't know. No, not a lot
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of details right now on that palm. Yeah, So Vowel,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the shooter has been knocked into the water. There's two
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: men that are laying there with close range shots from
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: a shotgun. Crabtree loads them into the boat and drives
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: away from the scene. As he's driving away, he looks
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: back and he sees Vowel getting out of the water
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and walking towards the bank of the lake. And that's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the last time that Vowel is seen. So at this
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: point you have Grooms and Black that are dead. Crab
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Tree is alive, and Vowel is missing and has been
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: charged with two counts of murder. They have not yet
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: found him. Why was it that? Why was it that?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: When you know, whenever something like this happens, Like you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: just get flooded with text messages and lengths and whatnot. Um,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: what was all the stuff that he's like on the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: bottom of the the suspect is like on the bottom
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: of the lake somewhere, or you know that he's probably
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: not alive. Like what is that coming from? The weather
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: has been bad in that area, Um. Like I said earlier,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Real Foot Lake is largely a submerged or a flooded forest. UM.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot of stuff below the surface that
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: makes it dangerous for boating. The lake has rised um
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: since Monday because of storms. There's been wind and rain. UM.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: And his his boat was found two dred yards away
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: from the scene, but Vowel has not been found. So
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Vowel left the scene on foot and because of the rain,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the cold temperatures, the rising water, they suspect that if
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: he's still in the area, that he's not alive. And
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that is a quote that the d A had. He
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: had said there's no good way out of there. This
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: from the District Attorney. It's a huge wilderness area. We're
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: convinced someone assisted him in leaving the area or he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: still in the area. If he's still in the area,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: he's more than likely not alive now. Like I said,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: within the first twenty four hours, UM, most folks had
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: assumed that this was an argument that happened over the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: blind or over swinging ducks or whatever. And the language
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation of Investigators investigation had
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: used was that Vowel um has not been caught and
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: he is armed and dangerous, which sort of like fuel
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that UM this that this was like an argument that
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: happened on the podcast. A friend of Crabtree said, there
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: was no confrontation, there was no fighting over a duck,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: there was no fighting over a blind. What did take
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: place was heartbreaking, and that is that a gentleman Vowel
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: who was going through something very very difficult and challenging,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: was not able to process what they were going through
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: and that resulted in the tragedy on Monday. Now, the
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: district Attorney has also been quoted saying, one of the
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: first things we look for is a motive. Here. We
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: don't have a motive. We don't see a motive. Mental
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: illness may prompt a shooting or a crime. Perhaps that's
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: what we have here, or there may be some motive
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that we just don't understand. Those were quotes that came
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: out um yesterday morning, but then last night, um sort
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: of like the information that everyone was waiting for to
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: be confirmed. The d A said in an interview that Vowel,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: the seven year old shooter, has early onset de matia.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I take it they've been probably interviewing family
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and friends of Vowel. Yes, yep, and and Val had
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: no criminal record prior to this. UM. I had read
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a quote from a friend somewhere that it said something
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like he wouldn't go as far to say a cuss word. Um.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Not not that that doesn't make somebody cable of murder,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but it's sort of adds to the this being a
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: mental illness thing and and fueled by the dementia. That
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: the d A is now confirmed. So the d A
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: has provided like a lot of information. One of the
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: reporters working on this story said that he's the most
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: transparent DA that you could possibly ask for, and has
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: been really good about communicating with people. But the d
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: A also said that it's his job to not cloud
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the judgment for a potential future jury, So with that,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: there's probably some information or details being withheld yet that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: that we don't know. Obviously, law enforcement has has more
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: information at this point. Man, crazy heartbreaking. Yeah, from Spencer's
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: crime desk. Yeah, So this is all the information we
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: have right now. Um, We're gonna keep updating the media
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: dot com as things become available. Who knows, by the
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: end of the day, they could have a body, they
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: could have him in jail. We could know more about
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: his mental state now. And another important detail on this
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: is a lot of people have asked why didn't crab
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Tree shoot Vowel. Um, there were plenty of guns around,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: he obviously had like that opportunity to do it. And Um.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: The host of the podcast who had talked to Crabtree
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: again said that the gentleman that survived this didn't even
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: have the heart to shoot the guy self defense. He
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: even tried to help the third party that has wanted,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: which is Vowel. He even tried to get him to shore,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: which sort of further confirms that there was just some
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: sort of some state of confusion by Vowel when this happened.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: You know. Uh. An interesting thing about how it was
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: handled in the how it was handled in the media
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: would be that because there was no there's no no
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: actual connection to these problems that people talk about at
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Real foot Leg, these like overcrowding, competition, all the tension there.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: They would like the articles would be like, oh, there's
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: double homicide at Real foot Lake and then didn't have
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: this sort of tone where like, oh, you know, by
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the way, a lot of disputes on Real foot Leg
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: about blinds and who historically had a blind and now
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: that the public land hunters are there and they're hunting,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: just to know a little something to keep in mind.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: That was how it was presented. Yeah, making the connection,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: but but the glue isn't there. Hey, this is Spencer
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: new Heart And since we recorded this podcast, there have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: been new developments on the Real foot Lake double homicide.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: On January, the Tennessee Bereau of Investigation announced that they
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: recovered the body of David Vowel in Real Foot Lake.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: According to the Tennessee River Valley News, Vowels discovered by
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: a hunting guide in an area locals referred to as
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Grassy Island, a spot not too far from where the
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: incident took place. Although autopsy results won't be back for
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: a few weeks. Nick Barriss of news Channel five heard
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: from sources that Vowel died of an apparent drowning. High
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: lake levels from heavy rain caused authorities to temporarily halt
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the search, and District attorney Tommy Thomas said the water
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: temperature was thirty nine degrees. This is a developing case
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna continue to update you on. Head over
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: the meat eater dot com for more on this story.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I gotta follow up for how excited are you to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: go uh fishing with me on Monday? And why is
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: it that your wife will not go? Um? And I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: told you that we would wind her and dine her,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: and you still said she will not go. I'm excited
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: to go. My wife just is not interested in in
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: hunting and fishing in general. To take offense when I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: said we'd wine her and diner um, and I'm I'm
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: cool with that. My wife has zero percent interests in
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: participating in ice fishing. Ice fishing off to call her,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: talk to her about what it's like to be out
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in the cold and dark huh at night fishing and
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: how she might enjoy it. And you didn't even want
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: me to give her a ring? No, No, I am
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I'm real satisfying. What you don't understand here is it's
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: very cold and dark. I'm real satisfied by her lack
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: of interests in participating because I would rather be zero
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: percent than like, dude. I am not saying to trust me,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: trust me. I am not saying that she ought to
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: be should pretend to be. I just was looking for
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: a little clarification. I have tons of friends where their
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: spouses or boyfriends or girlfriends or fiance's have like that
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: third year, that forty interest in participating in stuff, but
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: then they get cold, they get tired, they don't want
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to wake up in time, and it just like makes
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the experience worse for everybody. My wife was that way
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: at one point. If we've been together for over a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: decade at this point, that at zero percent. It's been
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: that way for the last five years, and we're both
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: very happy with that. Arrangements. Speaking rocks at risk of
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: fostering of jealous fractious work environment here, I'll point out
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: that my wife got a nice set of earrings from
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Spencer's wife out of rocks he picked. They picked so
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the Karan and so it did to the field A
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: pair Doug get ear rings over there, buddy, I don't
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: but I uh, I understand, um and and sympathize with
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Spencer might sympathize the wrong word. But my wife is
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: not interested in hunting at all either. I mean, she's
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: an artist. She's just like, this is what I do,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that's what you do. And um, other than the eating
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of it, you know, it's it's really not a thing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It can be a little hard sometimes because the amount
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: of time that I want to spend at it, and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: she's like, well, you're gonna go and do that. I'm
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: gonna go and do something else. But um, I guess
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: we get enough together in this time. So but Doug's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: wife will garden circles around you, that's for sure. Doug
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: didn't get ear rings, but I did send him some
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: other rocks the other day. Oh yeah, man, And and uh,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: garnering all kinds of favor with me, Spencer is and
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: and almost to the point where I'm forgiving him for
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: some of his transgressions about Wisconsin. But but yeah, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they're probably displayed. I guess. I actually I posted a
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: picture about about him, a couple of garnets and some
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: petrified wood, and um, it's really interesting going to your
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: mailbox and actually I guess they came ups. But you
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: pick up this thing and Tricia's like, what is in here?
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I said, what's a bagger rocks? She didn't believe me
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: until I opened it up, but there it was banggar rocks.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: You guys going rock picking on not yeah, Doug, not
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: rock dogs, Like did we talk about this before we did?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Doug heard rock picking. He got excited cause he thought
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: they were going out into fields picking rocks to make
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: a farmer's life easier. And he's like, that's awful. Nice
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: to them dogs Like Doug, you know, doesn't enjoy rock picking,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: but no recognize it as something it needs to happen,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and there's there's a great value in it. And actually, uh,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: the flint rock that we haven't here in in the
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Driftless area um in particular in our township, my father
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: always referred to as Westford diamonds. So so I'm looking
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: forward to Spenser coming and picking some Westford diamonds someday.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: But rock hounding. You guys are going rock hounding on
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Monday before we fish. And then she's going on home.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: She's gonna go home, and I'm gonna get ice fishing
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: and uh, like I said, are you guys going after
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: bourbon again? Oh, we can't talk about that top secret. Sorry. Alright,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: SOE hit this deal. This has been sitting and this
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: has been sitting in our art to do list for
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: long ast time. Are you equipped? Because I'll see your
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: name there. Um, there's this fella from Louisiana that rode in. Um.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: He's a archery hunter. Um he was. He had this,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: I would say, a hit list bucket. He had had
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: his eye on for quite some time and had a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: bunch of trail camp pictures of it and tried killing
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it with no success. And then one day it showed
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: up on his neighbor's trail camera with it's antler flopping
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: to one side. Mm hmm um. His neighbor showed him
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: the pictures and he he didn't think that it was
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the same buck that he was after until a couple
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of days later showed up on his trail camera and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: then he realized, you know, that's the same buck that
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: he's been after, and it must have been hit by
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a car or something, and it broke a chunk of like,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: didn't break his antler off, it broke the skull below
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the pedicle. Um, so he had just had like a
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: flopping nailer. And so the guy like it actually had
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: like movement, like when it walked, it flopped. If you
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: look at the pictures of yeah, if you look at
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: i'm a saw, Yeah, it looks it's a nice buck.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It's a damn nice buck. I'm sure, yeah, I'm I'm
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: sure it would flop when he would walk. It looks flop.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: He's probably painful. So he Oh my god, can you
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: imagine man, having your skull cracked? This happened, this very
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: story happened to me in Yanny. But go on, Um,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: so he like he he made it like he he
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: really wanted to kill this buck to just basically put
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: it out of its misery. Um, which I don't know
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: if the thing would live or not. Man, they can
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: survive so much. I've seen elk man, I've seen l
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: killed up from broken skulls. I killed a wild hog
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: one time that had broken his lower jaw clean and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: it had fused back together. Really I shouldn't say clean.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: It was so broken and fused up and whatnot that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I said broke it clean, look
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: like a broke like I mean like broke the jaw. Yeah,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: you know why, I think I thought it was broken
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: broken clean, because it healed at an angle like a
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: hockey stick. And I was like, there's no way that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: would have happened if it had been Yeah, yeah, makes sense. Um,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: why are you looking incredulous when I say that? I'm no,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not. I trust you. You were there for the pig.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. So he made a liar. So this
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: this guy made it is like personal mission to try
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: and kill this buck, put it out of its misery,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: try to get it because it's a huge buck. Well yeah,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that too, but since it's suffering, he like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: really wanted to get it now. Um, he says, fast
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: forward several days, he got his opportunity, made a fifty
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: yard shot and watched it expire. Um, so he has
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: this nice buck with a floppy handler. He wanted to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: get it mounted. Um. So he got it mounted and
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: he had When he had it mounted, he had it
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: put back normal, like like you know, the buck was
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: the whole time that he was getting pictures of it
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and had all this history with it. Stupid, stupid, stupid,
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And he wants our opinion on that because he's getting
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: a lot of flak from He's getting a lot of
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: flak from friends and colleagues and just he says, even
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: random strangers just as a knock at the door, Like, Dad,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: someone's here. I don't know who it is. Um, yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: apparently people are giving them ship that people are getting
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: because he didn't mount the bucks. Here are you? I
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: got the grocery store. Somebody's like the guy, I recognize you. Yeah. Um.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So yeah, he's catching a lot of flak from for
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: mounting this buck how it was before he broke his skull.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: He his argument is that he was putting it back
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: into its state of glory. Listen, man, that was a
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: huge mistake. I would put that buck mount out in
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the road in hopes that someone hits it and knocks
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: it back to how it's supposed to be really yes,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: or I just hit it real hard with a bat.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Why is that supposed to be that way again? Because listen,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: I've never got well, no I have. I've gotten some
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: rugs and things. I've never gotten a shoulder mount of
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: something made up but ever no, but okay, how about this,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: how about you get a buck. I've never got a
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: shoulder mount what would it take for you to get
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: shoulder mount well, when my I would like to get
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: my eight fathers. He has a fawn, a dear fawn.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: He had a wild pigs, but that my brother took.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: He has a a little ship and buck mounted. He's
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: got a bare shoulder mount mounted. He's got a pig
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: shoulder mount mounted. I want all those mountains, but I
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: don't want one. I don't like that. I think that
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think they look cool. And you would never
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: ever say you killed the state record white. I'd do
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: what I would always do. I'd get the skull cleaned
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: up and put it on my skull shelf. I just thought, like,
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think they look cool personally, I don't think
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to like make it be back to
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: how it looked. Well in this case, he should. I'm
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: not like like like I'm comfortable with its deadness, right,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with his deadness. Do you know the painter
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: um Tell's her name as painting skulls and bones and
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: whatnot Southwest Santa Fe. You think she ran around painting
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: uh dear looking all normal uh schools. So here's the thing.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: If I wasn't gona get one, And I said to
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: the text and hers, oh yeah, if you don't mind,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you just make them look a little bigger. Like the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: point is, it's how you got it. If you are
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: going to do it, it's how it was when you
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: got it. That's what you're memorializing. When you get a
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: fish stuffed and they don't even use the fish. When
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: you get a fish stuff, you don't change it to
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: have it be like, you know, like, oh yeah, if
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you don't mind adding a few pounds on there, Like
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: I feel like he must have been a lot bigger
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: when he was spawning, when she was spawning last spring,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So let's make her look fat. What was her glory?
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: What would you do in this situation out of stuff
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that thing so fast, with that antler cocked over to
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: the side. You know, you wouldn't have stuffed it. You
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: would have just don't always do, and boiled the skull,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and you would I like one would have like a
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: four inch chunk of skull attached to it, and it
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: would be quite Everybody would ask you have a story
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to tell a lot? Yeah, I know. In fact, I
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: have a different way to look at it. We go ahead,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Spencer in twenty I shot a buck in late December
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: with my muzzleloader that dropped in his tracks. He didn't
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: move an inch from where he was standing when my
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: bullet hit him. What month December? He dropped to the ground,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and when I got up to him, one antler had
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: popped off, and he wasn't how you got him, Well,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he died before the antler popped
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: off or not. There there was a tight window there
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: where I can't assess what exactly happened. So what would
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: you mount it with the antler back on him? Yes,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: because that's how it was when I shot at it. Oh,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: all right, so it was when I shot at him. Oh,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: also a remy one time he shot elk and the
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: fell over nailer fell off because it slid down the mountain,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: busted at antler. We're with him for that one, I
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: do remember. Yeah, I'd be like, in my mind, you
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: can screw that back on because it wasn't. That's how
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: you got him was with his antlers. Now, what if
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: you shot a deer saying like October with your bow
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: and he runs off. You made a bad shot in
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: the guts, he runs off. You know that's reasonable. You
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: never find him until until February you find him. But
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: by this time squirrels have chewed up his antlers. They're
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: now bleached white. He doesn't look like he was when
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: you shot at him. Are you going to restore him? No?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: But you know what the you know how I said,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: I want to get my old man's buck. So my
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: old man he this buck was like not a big buck,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: but it was big for at the time, because you
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: don't see like you never saw bucks had lived past
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: their first year. So what we thought was an enormous
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: buck wasn't. It was just I can't remember it was.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's like a white tail. He got it stuffed. Here's
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the dirty secret. There was a dirty secret. He told
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: anybody about it. So the old man is sitting there
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: in what we call the pine plantation on the Zlot farm,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and the old man sticks a deer right below him. Okay,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: so there's no exit. The arrows comes into like into
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: his back and no exit. Wound right in the lungs.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: It runs into the corn and he's like dead deer. Okay.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: In our tracking of that, we could never find a
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: drop of blood. Were now looking back on it, I
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: think that we basically were like sitting like sitting on
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: that deer, sitting around that deer. But we just in
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: the corn somehow didn't find it, even though we like
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: circle all around it because the farmer then went to
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: harvest that corn field and found the deer. Uh, my
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: old man questionable or not. My old man took the
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: head off that deer, went out, got the head off
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that deer and got a cap from someone and stuff
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: the deer. And that's your city. Is in my mom's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: living room at the minute. I'm sitting here talking to him.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: She puts a Christmas bowl around its neck at Christmas.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: It's sitting there right now. So he did reconstruct the buck.
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: He didn't recover that buck. But we know that we
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: should have ended like we just missed it in the corn.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense we missed it. I later went,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I was with my brother. We later went and looked
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: at that buck, the headless buck, and I looked at there.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I can see a possums tail wiggling around in there,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: and there's a hole in about four inches across. And
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I put my hand here and hauled that possum out
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: by the tail and took a photo of it. In
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: that buck and like over time all the details went
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: away and it became like the old man's buck was it?
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But that like it became like,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: oh there was a dad's big buck. It's like kind
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of yeah, that's a whole another rabbit hole. I don't know,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: if we have time, I have a way to look
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: at it. So he gets his buck mounted because he
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: wants to remember it how it was before it got
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: messed up. So you have a dog, right, and you
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: spend lots of time with this dog, but for some
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: reason the last month of its life it ends up
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: getting sick and then dies. Do you want to remember
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that dog for the life you had with it before
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: it got sick or the last month of its life
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: when it was sick seth bringing the heat? I like it.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal man dog shaking his head on the
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: big screen. So so the dog analogy is it doesn't
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: work because this is the wild animal and uh, had
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that deer or not had its horn busted, that guy
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: may not have gotten it. So that I agree with
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Steve on that, Yeah he shot him. Yeah, I mean
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: if had had its wits about it, he may not
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: have gotten it. I mean, the only it sounds like
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: the reason he got it is because it didn't have
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: its wits about it. Yeah. You know, I shot a
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: one idea one time, and everybody thought that I got
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: it because they had one eye. But I pointed out
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: that it's good I was in my face, in my direction. Yeah.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Um so my taxidermist or the guy who does taxidermy
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: around here is a friend of mine. When people ask
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: him to fix an antler, he won't do it. He's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: like that he's got that screw. He said, Now, I
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: won't do it. That's not the way you killed the deer.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: And then, of course the other thing is when you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: do get a deer stuffed, the only part of it,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's hide, but the the is the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: skull cap. So the ones I kind of feel like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: you do, Steve, I'll probably never get another one another
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: shoulder a mount because they just don't look like the
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: deer that was killed. Yeah, but the standard, the standard
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: looks awesome, man. Well yeah, but it doesn't look like
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: a deer that was running around. But it's a great
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: piece of taxing. It's just an average buck for around here.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Um anyway, Uh but uh, but he was big. I mean,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: his face and everything was bigger. I mean, when they
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: do those measurements and they cut stuff off every deer
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: that I've seen stuffed and that I was able to
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: compare it to in life, they just don't look they
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: don't look as good, they don't look as big to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: me at least. Here's the one way. Think what you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: should have said, Seth, Well, you should have said this.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: If I was doing what you're doing, I would have
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: done this. I would have said, let's say you're married
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: and you love your spouse like and you're married fifty years,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: most beautiful um spouse you ever late eyes. I'm trying
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: to make this so it's everybody can appreciate it. I'm
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: just saying, spouse, most beautiful spouse you ever laid eyes on,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: loved her your whole life, him her, them, spouse, spouse
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: and then they develop a heinous uh facial problem that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: kills him. Uh. They very much wanted to have an
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: open casket. This is what you should say. They very
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: much want to have it. Always had said when I die,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: I would like you to have an open casket funeral. Yeah,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: the mortician comes to you and says, Seth, how are
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: we going to roll here. I could fix it right
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: back to her glory, him to his glory, or I
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: can leave it the way it is. That's what you
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: should have said, yep, not making some dog and then
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: you would say, then you would say fix it, implying
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: that this deer had said that he would want to
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: be mounted right, had said to his buddies, he said, listen,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: everyone knows sometimes you don't make it through the run.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Should I fall? I was doing general? Should I fall
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: during general firearm? Let it be known. I don't want
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: them when I said this happened to me in Yanni.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: This is embarrassing for me. We're hunting deer one time
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: and I see a buck coming and it's in the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: brush that deep I'll never come out before I go on,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: brushed very much obscured my vision. I see a deer
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: coming that has such huge antlers that there's actually antlers
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: coming out of its chin, like so much antler that
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: there's antler blow. It's jaw. I believe, I said, here
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: comes a buck of a lifetime. Yes, But it was
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: in fact a forky that had got hit by a
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: car and one of its antlers had become dislodged. Yeah,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I just saw like times. Yeah, if there's a time
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: by its chin, there must be ten. Imagine how many
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: must be on top of its head. Hard to see
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: in that rude But I'm telling you, oh, I don't
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: have much to say about this. Uh this here talking
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: point and story other than I feel like it's a
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: little trivial and you know, we should all be so
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: lucky that we can, you know, have fun talk about this.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: But like Bradley, I think you should do whatever you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: want to do with that damn button and all those
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: people is tell him to f off. Don't worry about
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: straight desk, right, I want to worry about the random strange. Uh. Yes,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Spencer primed me up for this especial when I had
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: a little chit chat the other day. W D. Yeah,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are Um. I heard
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: from Karin. I heard from Krin that you wanted us
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: to not beat this one to death. You didn't even
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: need to hear from Karan because you were also on
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: the email. What I said is that through data on
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: our website, there's a bit of exhaustion from our readership
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: about c w D. It's hard to get them interested.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: So I said, there's probably a little bit of the
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: same sentiment among podcast listeners. That's what the email said. Well,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, like you're sure, uh not filling Dug's bucket.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Du During, It's very very important that we do continue
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: to talk about it, even if it has been beaten.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: But what Spencer prime me on that, I had no
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: idea that was going on, which is the exciting part.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should say this to the end, Duck. But
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: I heard that Spencer it was basically calling out Wisconsin
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: deer hunters, and you were none too happy about what
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: he had to say about you, guys. Oh, I'm I'm
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'm I mean, if Spencer's got evidence that somehow the
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin deer culture is all about trophies and entering him
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: into a record book, great, But um on the previous
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: podcast he talked about that within uh uh and was saying, well,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin calls itself the big buck capital of the world
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: and or other people call it that, Field and Stream
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: or whoever calls it that, and uh, you know, it's
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: because we have more Boone and Crockett, Pope and Young
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Books bucks registered than any other state. And uh and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: he said, oh, it's because people in Wisconsin are braggadocious
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: and they want to be in the record book. And
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I know, well right, and being
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: from Wisconsin and being willing to take a look in
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: the mirror, you know, Um, I thought, well, you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Spencer has probably got some real good information on this.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: So I asked him about that, and he goes, oh,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I never I've never hunted in Wisconsin. I only sent
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: us spent an afternoon at a wedding in the state,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: So but what do you But I talked to the
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: bride's uncle who's a deer hunter. So anyway, I just
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I guess, um, I don't know how
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: else you decide who you know, where the big buck
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: capital is if it's not by the number of bucks
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: and so you know, like that lion in Caddy Chick,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: how do you measure yourself against other golfers by height? Um?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: The same thing? How I mean, how do you how
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: do you? How do you do that? And I mean
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: it's it's there's a lot. I mean I love to
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: have Spencer come out and and uh, you know, show
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: him around and uh and I hope he does that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: and I can kind of show him why the driftless
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: area is home to send so many big giant bucks.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: I I can see, do you, Doug? And I I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: will now refer to Wisconsin as the big Buck State.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: But I felt justified in our conversations because, um, after
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: that podcast dropped, you were instagram messaging me, you were
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: emailing me, telling me random strangers and uh, dog wanted
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: that title, and UM, I felt as though it showed
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: that there is that culture in that mindset there and
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: taking pride in the record book sort of thing in Wisconsin. Okay,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: but that's not we're here to talk about. We leave
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: it at that. A guy wrote in, uh, kind of
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: laying in about kind of laying in about what hell
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: is his name? Just give us first? I remember guy
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: from southeast Minnesota. I don't remember his name practically, neighbors
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: were Doug because Dugs from southwest Wisconsin. And that's an
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: that's an important point where he is and where we
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: are very similar in topography. You know, Dear heard all
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: of that. So he he lays in, like, let me
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: tell you about c w D. Yeah, And I knew
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: in reading it. I was like, I just feel like
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff he's telling me, he's not accurate.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: But I didn't have the time to get into it,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: but I felt it was like interesting enough that I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: wanted to. I was like, Doug, you'd take a look
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: at the email. You read the email, and then Doug
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: was supposed to explain what he's saying, because I feel
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: like this is probably like a commonly held thing if
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: you somehow don't know what we're talking about. We're talking
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: about the deer and elk, the servid, the dear family
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: version of like mad cow disease um which is spreading
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: every year into more and more dear herds across the country.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: It's got people pretty worked up for two reasons. One
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: because it could wind up potentially we don't know yet,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: being real problematic for dear populations. Um that they won't
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: live long, you won't grow huge box anymore because they're
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: all dying. Or that someone would want up getting sick
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: for dear meat, which that from dear meat, which has
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: not happened, but it definitely like keeps you up at
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: night thinking about it. No one wants to be the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: first person. No evidence that has happened yet. Thousands, tens
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: of thousands of people have eaten c w D infect
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: the dear meat, but it's still like, I don't know,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: it just makes you nervous. So with that dog talk
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: about with this guy take it. This is like Joe
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: blow America out there saying like, here's why CWD is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: so full of ship and and and what does this
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: sort of take on it? Uh. The first thing I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: want to respond to is I understand the fatigue. Believe
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: me if I'd rather not UM talk about this either.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: But I can guarantee you one thing about chronic wasting disease.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: If you ignore it, it is not going to go away. UM,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: It's only gonna get worse. And we'll talk about that
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: in a minute. So this guy had a few different comments.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: One of them was that there's no evidence that human
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: humans have contract c w D from eating meat. Well,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: that's true. I don't think I've ever said anything else
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: that there is no evidence at this point that it's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: that spread. So fair enough. But his reasoning was that's
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: why they let you take the meat home, but they
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: don't want you to take the spine and head home.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: And Uh. The problem with that thought process is that
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: the reason for those UM transportation movement restrictions are to
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: protect the herd, not to protect people. This is a
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: wildlife agency is doing this, not a uh public health agency.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: The only thing that public health has ever said about
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: it was we recommend you know, c C, C d
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: C and World Health Organization. We recommend against UM and
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: recommend you getting tested and you don't need it if
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: it's positive. The carcass movement is all about protecting the
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: herd in um where you're going to. So that's why
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: they want to properly dispose of the head in the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: spine where of course the concentrated as well. They know
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: you're gonna wind up dumping at that. You're gonna want
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: taking those bones and it's not going into your freezer,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: right You're gonna you're gonna don't met the boat launch.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly popular if people are doing that kind
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: of stuff, right um. His second comment was meat doesn't
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: carry disease, and he said, see above, you know the
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: thing about that, let you take the meat. So what
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: this dude, just what this dude was responding to you
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: on this is I was saying like that, I'm full
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: of questions about c w D, Like I'm not. I'm
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: not sitting around and act like I know something that
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything that nobody, nobody else knows, right,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: I know what I read, um, and I read conflicting things,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: and I try to sort it out in my head.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: But I said, when I meet a guy who's like
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: telling me, hey, it's no big deal, don't worry about it,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: I said, I would like to defeat. Make that guy
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: a burger out of a bunch of c w D
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: infected deer and put some brain and spinal column stuff
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: in there and whatnot, and then if he eats the burger,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: then I believe that he doesn't think it's a big deal.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: If he questions eating the burger, then I know that
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: he's like me, and he's a little worried about this
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: whole thing. The guy that wrote in that I sent
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: the dog pointed out, Um, that's why we don't eat
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: the brain and we don't eat the spine because the
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: meat is safe but isn't. Doesn't the ship like it's
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: concentrated in the brain and spine, but it's found in
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: the muscle. Right, That's exactly right. And so he's off
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: on that. He's wrong on that, and there's a there's
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: a study that shows that, and I guess, you know, logically,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you can think about it too. Another PreO diseases me
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: had cold is he BSc and people got that right.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: There was a jumped from cattle to um. They jumped
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: from cattle to humans. UM, and that came from eating
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: the meat. So it's in the meat and it's been
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: proving this in the meat. So UM. I forwarded the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: study to to Korean and she can put that up
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: or you know, I answered this guy directly if he wants.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: But there's you know, there's studies that shows exactly um,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: that that show exactly the opposite. And UM, the one
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: that um that's still happening is the macaque monkeys. And
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: everybody's gonna go, oh, the one that was disproven, well,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: it's it wasn't disproven. Actually two of the monkeys in
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Canada were fed only meat from c w D positive
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: white tailed deer from Wisconsin. UM, that's an ongoing study
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: hasn't been published yet. So UM, I would you know,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not a scientist, and I would suggest that you know,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: scientists talk about that more. And there have been some
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: conflicting studies. So did the monkeys, like it was reported
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that they got the monkeys got c w D from
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: beating dear meat, little chunks of deer steak. But in
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: fact that's what they have. What happened, Yes, it is.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: There were five months that got it. Two of them
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: had it injected into their brains, two of them were
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: fed spinal common and or one of them was fed
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: was injected in the spine and all that two of
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: them were fed meat only. And who got what? Monkey
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: got it? Those are the five that got it out
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: of the all the monkeys and the monkey did get
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: it meat and the meat. Yeah, I thought that was disgraduated. Yeah, no,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: and that I mean, the reason I'm hesitated, I hesitate
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: to talk too much about it is because it's an
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: ongoing study. They there's nothing that other than the Montana
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: there was. It wasn't Montana. I'm sorry, I don't remember
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: who that was. But there was a conflicting or another
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: study said, wow, we did the same thing and no
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: monkeys got it. So that's not that unusual, at least
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: in my sort of logical way and in animal husbands
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. You know, my cattle, cattle,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: animals all together. Not everybody gets the same disease, and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: you know, not everybody necessarily gets COVID. Not you don't
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: no matter what that is, right, So but now you
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: can look into that and um, that study is ongoing
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: and that will that will come up. So that being said,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: it has not been proven to transfer to humans. UM
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: my only comment about like, um clean, Seth, we're both
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: talking about that, and I've been there with Clay. I mean, hell,
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: the last time you hunt deer hunted out here, we didn't. Uh,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think we tested those No, no, we did.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: We did test them. And I waited to my results
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: before I ate my dear, because I felt that if
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: we ate the deer and then got the results, um
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: my wife be like homett so you thought I saw
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: it was like you saw that it was appropriate to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: send it for test, But then why do we like
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: if if it if you cared enough to send it
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: for testing, why do we not wait for the test
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: results before we ate it? Like if it doesn't matter,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: why did you send it for testing? And I didn't
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: feel like explaining all that, so I just waited. Yeah, No,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and I think that I think that's a good policy.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: I respect anyone who is their their choice. Like Seth
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: said he would, I'll eat that burger. Um, I will
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: tell you this. I had a very different experience when
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: I hadn't actually dealt with it, and Spencer has had
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: that situation too. Like there it is. Um when I
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: found out that I had a positive deer, it was
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: very It was a very different mindset than talking about
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: it in theory. Clay said that he hadn't had any
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: deer tested yet, and they've been in an area and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: of course the same thing. I've been in a cw
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: D area. It was quite a bit solved. But there's
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: a chance that I've already that I've already eaten CWD positive.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: But why would you continue that when you have the
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: opportunity to have it tested and at least make an
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: informed decision. Part of this guy's point was I don't
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: want to waste the deer. And my response to that is,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: you didn't waste it. You took that deer off the landscape,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: and you took that infectious animal who's spreading casting prions
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: about and spreading it the other deer. You took it
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: off the landscape. So you did a good thing there.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And um uh, the other part is you saved that
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: deer from a miserable death. I've been I've seen him now.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen not well, we've had pictures on the farm,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: but I haven't seen a live one that's on its
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: way out on the farm. But I have seen him
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: in other places. It's a miserable death. So you saved
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: that animal from that. Um you know, you look at
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: a picture. I don't want to go down the road
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: of I mean, if if somebody wants to eat it,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: that is there, um uh their choice, and I respect that.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I would say, though, let's not make that choice for
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: other people. So if you're in hunting in a c
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: w D area, get the deer tested. If you decide
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: to eat it, go ahead and eat it yourself, but
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: don't serve that unknowingly to someone else. And I had
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: really questions um uh serving it to uh two kids too,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: So um that's that. Um what else did he have
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: to say? Oh, dogship doesn't carry the disease. Well that's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: false also, and I uh said too, and I wanted to.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a mingus U Yanni's dog holds
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: a special place in my heart because he's named for
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: and everything. You know. Oh yeah, I've never met the dog, um,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: but yeah, because he's named for Charles Mingus anyway. Um,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: and why would you? I mean, it does happen. Right,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: there's two there's two studies, one of the coyote and
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and one of I think it was crows or something.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: And the point is is what goes in the front
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: end comes out the back end later. We've all heard
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: that before, right. So if you don't have c W
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: D like around your place, and I've been over to
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Yanni's place, Um, and you feed that dog CW depositive
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: meat and now it's going out and taking a crap
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: and unless you're going out and picking it all up,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: and they never do. They never get all. The smart
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: guy teaches his dog to go out far enough. But
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: um and uh. And so now you have it there. Yes,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: it's in very low concentrate sations is going through the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: meat and all of that sort of thing. But because
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: it is an exponentially growing disease, that's exactly the kind
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: of thing where you can have some control of your environment.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: And why wouldn't you. Um, So I applaud Jani for
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: that NFL it was just wrong when when it came
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: to that as well. Um. Then he talked about, um,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: the low prevalence in Minnesota and why are we spending
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: all this time and effort on it um and money.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: And the short answer on that is perhaps the reason
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: you have a slow or low prevalence and a slow
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: spread is because these management uh these management policies have
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: been in place. In fact, I would submit that's exactly
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: why they have a low prevalence, because Minnesota's got a
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: pretty damn good c w D response plan. And if
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: you want to see something in comparison um, one of
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: the other things I sent Karin and I'll post it
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: on my social media later too, is a time lapse
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: of the change in spreading prevalence in Wisconsin over the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: last twenty years. And there are I have some markers
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: that's not necessarily on that, but I'll write it into it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Of where we gave up Wisconsin's program didn't when they say,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: well they didn't see it didn't work in Wisconsin is
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: because we stopped and all we're doing is putting you know,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: carcasses and a dumpster and we're not really even trying
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: to control population or control disease or anything. We failed.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that you want to learn
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: about uh c w D and what not to do,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: take a look at Wisconsin, Southeast southeast Minnesota has got
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to control it. What I'm what I'm fighting
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: for in my area is to have a healthy deer
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: and have a healthy deer management. We're a positive of
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: deer tested in this county now. Uh, we have their
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: thirty thou deer in the county. UM you know about
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: about got tested of the sixty five hundred that UM
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: we're killed this past season, and those were positive by
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: my by my place, I'm on the northern edge of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: all of this, we're down at like four or five percent.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: I get one a year or two a year, UM.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: And I you know, I don't want to give too
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: much credence to what we're trying, what I'm doing, but
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: we're killing a whole lot of deer and they keep
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: making them, right, I mean, dear, keep making them um
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: there and so ah, I would submit that the control
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: measures in Minnesota has been doing is what's exactly exactly
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: what is controlling UM the disease they're not And and
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: I can see he's got that exponential growth. He did
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: a nice job on the math UM and so take
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: a look at that UM. But it's an exponentially growing
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: disease both within the animal and on the landscape. And um,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I know, folks are I'm sorry, folks, you know that
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: you're tired of hearing about it. But if you don't
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: have it, you don't want it. And if you do
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: have it, you want as little of it as pot possible.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: I have that little, as little as possible. And so
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Spence Spencer new heart. He kissed my ass man. Care
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: what he says. Listen. My take on CV, my take
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: on c w D is is what I learned from
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: Doug durn Articulated by Doug durn is, pay for science
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: and time pay for science by yeah, sorry, I was
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: gonna do it the other way around. I was gonna
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: pay for science. Bye time, bye time, pay for science.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: I think that there's this thing that in the c
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: w D to deny your community. It's like it's wishful
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's like wishful thinking on their part
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: or they're ahead of themselves to be like it doesn't matter. Look,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: the other direction doesn't matter. Nothing to see here. I'm like,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I really don't know. But if
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: there's the potential for a problem, and if it's a disease,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: that's spreading around. And if you love deer, and you
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: love deer hunting, and you love eating deer, why would
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: you not want as much information as you can get
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: your hands on. It would be wonderful if in five years,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: ten years, someone is able to say, oh, look, weirdly,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: it winds up for all these reasons that seemed perfectly plausible,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: it winds up not having population level impacts, Like something
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: happens within the herd dynamic and we don't see catastrophic
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: collapse of deer herds and turns out, um, this this
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: preon is somehow magically shaped where unlike similar diseases that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: afflict cheap and unlike similar diseases that afflict cattle, um,
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: we know for a fact now that it can't touch humans.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: I would be like awesome, because that's what I wanted
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: to hear all along. I'm not like rooting, I'm not
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: like cheering on c w D. I hope it's bad.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I hope it kills people. It's like, that's not what
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I hope. I just want to find out, man, I
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: don't want to like look the other direction, which is
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: what which is what seems to be what they want
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: you to what what the deniers want you to do
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: is like not even look. Okay, right, well you're bad
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: for looking. Actually. Um. In defense of my friend from
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: southeast Minnesota, he's like, you know, I'm not a denier.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I know it's a problem, but it was a sort
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: of relative um was his point. And and and I
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: think that what I see and feel and and hear
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: from people is that the denier the deny rs are
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: few and far between. Now it's now a question of well,
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: how bad is it or how bad can it be?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: And um, I kind of my friend Mitch Baker has
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: said a few times that I'd rather we did as
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: much as we couldn't find out we did more than
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: we had to, then find out we didn't do enough
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: and have a disaster on our hands. And again, if
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: you look at that, um, And I'll just give you
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: some anecdotes. Um, a friend of mine who's got a
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: property about four miles south of ours killed, they killed
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: a nuven buck on his place. It tested positive. If
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: he wouldn't have killed that buck, it's never gonna be
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: a big giant buck. It would have been dead at
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: two and a half years. Right. His neighbor had four
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: out of five bucks test positive. I routinely get messages
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: from people who are saying six out of eight. UM.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: The hot zone south of US, about twenty five miles
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: is over fifty in bucks, over thirty in does and rising. Um.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: We still have plenty of deer because we I mean
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: you guys have been here. We grow deer like crazy.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: You know, one point four one point five does fawns
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: per dough. We can keep producing. We have sixty deer
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: per square a mile. UM, So we're not gonna run
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: out of deer. We're just gonna have more and more
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: of them. And we already have that that are diseased. UM.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: And I think I sent you another note from one
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: of the members of our sea deck. He killed three
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: deer in his yard this past year. That we're just
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: standing there and that we're emaciated and went through all
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: that is a horrific disease. UM. You know, animal rights
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: people should be concerned about it. UM. Using my example
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: of the of the number buck getting it, and he's
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: never going to be a big giant buck. If you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: want big giant bucks. We need to control this disease.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: If I can keep disease in my area at five
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: to even ten percent at this point, I'll consider that
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: a victory. Um. And you might find this an interesting
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: detail because you know, you guys know the farm up
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: there on the big Ridge where you killed that giant
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: turkey at that time, with with dirt myth down there
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: and bottom, all five of our positives have come in
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: a kind of a line right there in that little
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: bit of acreage because dirt myth have been down there
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: could but there happens to be a big population of
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: dear you know that that kind of stay up on
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: near there, and that's sort of on the fringe of it.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: So you know, the scientists that I've talked to about
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: it have said, well, you know, don't read too much
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: into that, but anecdotally it's it's really, uh, a little
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: unsettling and kind of internet thing, you know. But that said, Um,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: we had, you know, it was a little weird deer
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: hunting this year because of covid um and um, but
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: my brother and his nephew came hunting for the first
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: time in a couple of years, which was great. Um.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: We just did things a little bit differently in terms
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: of gathering in the house and you know, and all
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: of those sort of things. Um, and uh, you know
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: we killed um like I said, uh, sixty three sixty
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: maybe a sixty six hundred deer in the county. It
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: was we're backed up like this year. Um, even with
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: that positivity rate, you know that deer hunting in Wisconsin
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: has a good future. We just need to do more,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: you know, we need to continue to do more about this.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm inviting as we're sitting here, I mean inviting
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Spencer to come out and learn all about it. We
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: got a letter. We got a letter one time complaining
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: about Doug. It was some dude and Doug's area complaining
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: about Doug bringing down all the property values by talking
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: about c w D too much. The powerful casing over
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: your real estate lobby was like land ever since Doug
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: buys it up? Man, Yeah, thanks, thanks a lot for
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: the report, Doug. You'll be a hundred fifty bucks. It's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: in the mail, I mean truly is in the mail.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: And then you set cash. Is that correct? Oh yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: yeah I did send cash. So, oh you have somebody
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: out there written around in your mail. But I'm a
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: little bit afraid of man. Yeah, he's gonna be like, yeah,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: I gotta run. You're white and i'd be there in
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: the next day or so. Yeah, I'll just tell Katie
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: that Doug during sent me a letter for some reason
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Steve's house. Don't open it, thank you, dog. It's interesting
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: to me how we treat uh, we talked about CWD
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and treat it as I think as a society and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: look at very similar to how we look at climate change.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: You have that same sort of like deny or people
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: that are like don't even look, yeah, don't even look,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: you know. But and I'm in the same way you
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: described as kind of where I've settled on climate change.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but like I'd rather do too much
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: and find out we did too much than you know
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: eighty years down the line. Go oh remember all that
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: not looking? Oh yeah, you you're you get criticized if
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: a biologist talks about changing animal patterns, uh, which you
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: know you can demonstrate with great clarity and precision. It's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: like bad that they brought it up. I think you're
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: criticized for bringing it up. Your favorite like a favorite
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: talking point amongst CWD deniers is like Wisconsin's management of
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: it and how they didn't get rid of it um
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: or maybe not even slow it down. But there was
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: a CWD expert um that told me years ago. He's like,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin is not a good example because the c w
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: D whore left the barn many years ago. Not only
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: is that horse out of the barn, but that horse
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: already died, like it was just too late to get
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: in and make a huge difference. But other states, New York, Illinois, Missouri,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: they have a chance, um to like make that difference
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: where Wisconsin didn't go out. You to to the c
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: W to the denier's credibility, to their credit. Here. Uh,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: it's been around all those years, right, and Doug still
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: has a big, huge, giant bucks running around in his place.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: I couldn't believe a picture of a buck he sent
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: me from the wet spot. Yeah. Well, you know, just
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: an average deer around here. You know, when the big
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: couple of the world, but a little buck man juice
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: down there and see what turns up. No, and and
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: and that's important. I appreciate that. Actually this is the
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: deer hunting is really good around here. I mean, there's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: a reason people come to Richland County. And he's trying
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: to drive you see her, trying to drive the values.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: He's trying to restore property values now. But I've acquired
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: all that landed on building the back up and you
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: know it's a matter of fact. Um. But uh. And
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: the way to to uh, I mean, just keep doing it,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: keep enjoying it. And you know, this is an an
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: interesting point. It's very different than what you guys are
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: dealing with. What you guys deal with out there, But
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: pent of our county is considered deer habitat mhm um
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: and that's about um fifty uh square miles so but
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: of that is privately owned. So if we're gonna do anything,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: really we need to either incentivize or force private landowners
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: to do something about it. I'm kind of working on
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: the incentivized end of it, you know. And and um,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: you know, I try to share my place with as
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: many people as I can. Um. And you're right, and
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: we still have big giant bucks. You know, there's there's
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: some beautiful deer around. Um. Interestingly, also, most of deer
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: that we've had positive The oldest one was a three
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: year old doll. The other ones have been year and
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: a half and two years, two and a half year
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: old bucks, and a year and a half old dough.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: So you know our older bucks. I mean you remember, Yanni,
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: the last time you were here with with all the
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: all your buddies, all the Levians from from Tooma, all
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: those deer man truck full of deer, including that one
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: big giant buck, that the one eyed bucket, that another
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: honest shot um, and none of those dear tested positive um.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: And you know there's those deer around. But that's by
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: controlling the disease, we can continue to have that kind
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: of hunting. That's the other end of it. So I mean,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to do all this stuff. You know, Steve,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: you and I've talked about oak management, and I'm trying
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: to manage jokes. I want deer around, but I don't
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: want too many. And it's the you know, these things
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: are the same, the same, The reasoning is exactly the same.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to balance everything in an ecosystem. Um.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: So you know, if I could have have an inanimate
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: object on the podcast, I would have the wet spot
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: on the podcast. It's a magic place, like why are
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: you always wet? Why are you a mud puddle? And
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  Speaker 1: why you always go look at you? And I have
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  Speaker 1: stilled that thing up. I have actually filled that up
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  Speaker 1: with clay and run it over and you know, packed
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  Speaker 1: it up because I don't want a bunch of waters. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's like a leopard. Don't change his spots. That's what
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  Speaker 1: he'd say if I asked him. What you might try
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  Speaker 1: now is instead of fighting, you know the wet spot,
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  Speaker 1: maybe just make your road go around the way. Watch,
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  Speaker 1: just move your road over ten ft and a pond
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  Speaker 1: in the road. Now, now you're gonna force me to
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  Speaker 1: go up there and take a picture, because that's exactly
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  Speaker 1: what I've done. What's what's the fifercent of your county?
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  Speaker 1: That's not dear habit? Is it like concrete and water
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  Speaker 1: or what? Um? Yeah, the highways in Richland Center our
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  Speaker 1: county seat. We have thirty deer in this uh county
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  Speaker 1: by the estimates in the population. The human population is
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  Speaker 1: about seventeen thousand. So man, uh Yanni. We didn't get
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  Speaker 1: our new dog expert. We didn't get to your you'll
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  Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll retain. Yeah, we're gonna talk a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We'll tease it. We're gonna talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: um blood trailing. Well, it's like a growing thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's been growing It's been around for a long time,
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  Speaker 1: but it just be gets more and more prevalent. Is
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  Speaker 1: like every group of hunters. My prediction is in in
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  Speaker 1: some number of years, every group of hunters, someone in
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  Speaker 1: that group it's gonna want to have a recovery dog.
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  Speaker 1: Well yeah, I was just thinking how when I first
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  Speaker 1: heard about it, nobody that I didn't even know anybody
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  Speaker 1: that had maybe even like use the recovery dog to
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  Speaker 1: find a wounded deer. It was just like, you know
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  Speaker 1: this thing that you kind of heard about. But now
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  Speaker 1: I would almost bet someone in this room has used
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  Speaker 1: recovery dog to find a deer. Anybody I've been, I've
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  Speaker 1: seen one not recover one. Yeah, we attempted in Michigan. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, like I know people now they're like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well yeah, and he's got all kinds of stats we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get at. But uh, I gotta I gotta scoop,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta scoot al right, buddy, thanks a lot um
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it, Seth. It's a good job. I want to get, man,
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  Speaker 1: I want to get Do you think it'd be too distracting?
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  Speaker 1: Like when someone like when Seth talking about what he
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  Speaker 1: was talking about, Remember how I said, I wanted one
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  Speaker 1: of those dials that they use when they're testing things
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  Speaker 1: on people. Yeah, like how the the how their their
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  Speaker 1: interests dial? Yeah, if we had if when like if
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  Speaker 1: Seth was talking about something, if we had one that
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  Speaker 1: that was like a low like but then as he talks,
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  Speaker 1: if I get more interests, I turned it up and
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  Speaker 1: then it pretty soon like do you do that would
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  Speaker 1: detract from the listening experience. Unfortunately, yes, it could be
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  Speaker 1: that the better job he does, you turn it down
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  Speaker 1: so like so when he starts out, when he starts,
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  Speaker 1: but as he starts kicking ass it quiet and he
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  Speaker 1: starts getting pumped up in senive to kick as exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, he did a good He did a
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  Speaker 1: good job on that, especially like the part when he
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  Speaker 1: tried to turn it into a dog thing. Uh huh.
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  Speaker 1: Doug was right to compreciate that it was good. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't hear that, Seth. What did you
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  Speaker 1: say about dog? Just good? That was philm talking about
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  Speaker 1: dog a great looking Just like when somebody says Doug
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  Speaker 1: is right, I usually asked him. He's like what what what? Alright,
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  Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman, Doug durn far away and a far
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  Speaker 1: away disease land. Hey have me on for something that
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  Speaker 1: isn't c w D. Sometime I might do that dog anytime. Dog,
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  Speaker 1: we have dog on to talk about how to properly
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  Speaker 1: get your cheese curd squeaky again if you've left them
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  Speaker 1: out so long that they're not squeaky anymore, that'll be
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