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Trump's TPS policy is a 'job killer' and bad for Ohio, Gov. DeWine says · THE DAILY BRIEF

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  Speaker 1: A Supreme Court ruling this week cleared the way for
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration to end Temporary protected status for Haitians
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  Speaker 1: and Syrians, leaving thousands of refugees suddenly without legal immigration status.
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  Speaker 1: One of the states that could face the biggest impact
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  Speaker 1: is Ohio, where more than ten thousand Haitian migrants have settled.
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  Speaker 1: The state's Republican governor, Mike DeWine, has called the move
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  Speaker 1: quote a mistake. For more on the ruling and what
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  Speaker 1: it means for communities in his state. I am joined
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  Speaker 1: now by Governor Mike DeWine. Governor, welcome back to the
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  Speaker 1: News Hour. Thanks for joining us with me back.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, revoking TPS is a big part of
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  Speaker 1: the Trump administration's immigration crackdown. A court now says they
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  Speaker 1: do have the authority to do that. Why do you
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  Speaker 1: think that's a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: I think the policy's wrong. The policy is wrong.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm seeing specifically in Springfield and in Ohio. You
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  Speaker 3: talked about a number of Patians who have come in.
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  Speaker 3: You're seeing in Springfield a city that is coming back.
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  Speaker 3: It's been coming back for the last few years, and frankly,
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  Speaker 3: one of the reasons that's come back is because of
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  Speaker 3: the Haitians who have been there to fill jobs that
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  Speaker 3: were simply not being filled at all. And that's what
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  Speaker 3: the employers will tell you. That's what the mayor. The
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  Speaker 3: mayor issued another statement yesterday, and he's consistently said that
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  Speaker 3: these Haitians are buying homes, they're opening businesses, they're working,
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  Speaker 3: and they're trying to you know, some of them raise
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  Speaker 3: their family there. They're contributing to the community. That's what
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  Speaker 3: the mayor of Springfield is saying. And my observation is
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  Speaker 3: he's absolutely right. So when all these individuals who are
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  Speaker 3: there with TPS, now not all the Haitians, some of
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  Speaker 3: them have other legal status, but a significant number of
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  Speaker 3: them are under the TPS, which of course means with.
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  Speaker 2: This ruling.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, now and I don't look, I don't argue
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  Speaker 3: with the Supreme Court decision. They were interpreting a statute
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  Speaker 3: it was written by Congress, which basically says that the
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  Speaker 3: courts cannot interfere with that decision that a designation such
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  Speaker 3: as the administration made. My point is about policy, and
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  Speaker 3: I've consistently said this, this is bad for Ohio, this
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  Speaker 3: is a job killer for Ohio. It's a job killer
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  Speaker 3: for Springfield. It's not good for a state.
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  Speaker 1: Can I put to you, Governor, what we've heard from
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  Speaker 1: the administration on this, which is something we heard Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Miller of the White House say yesterday when asked about
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  Speaker 1: whether or not it is safe for Haitians to go
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  Speaker 1: back to Haiti. Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: The fact that there might be pockets of Haiti with
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  Speaker 4: his higher crime rates. Guess what, There's pockets of Chicago
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  Speaker 4: with crime rates just as high. Right, There's pockets of
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  Speaker 4: cities like Saint Louis with crime just as high, pockets
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  Speaker 4: of Los Angeles crime just as high. It has never
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  Speaker 4: been the case that having communities that have high crime
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  Speaker 4: rates is a basis for a silent never has been,
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  Speaker 4: it never will be.
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  Speaker 1: So Covenor of the White House says it's safe for
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  Speaker 1: Haitie to go back, and they also say this was
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  Speaker 1: meant to be a temporary status. It's in the name,
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  Speaker 1: and it's been in some cases extended for years and years.
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  Speaker 1: What's your response to what they're saying.
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  Speaker 3: Well, to say it's safe to go to Haiti as absurd,
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  Speaker 3: and to say compare it to Chicago, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: think it doesn't make any sense at all. Look, I
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of contacts in Haiti. We work with
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  Speaker 3: people in Haiti. We have a school down there, my
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  Speaker 3: wife and I do, and you know, we've traveled there
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five times and we have a lot of
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  Speaker 3: contact there. It is worse today in Haiti than it's
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  Speaker 3: ever been. It's never was very good. The only time, frankly,
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  Speaker 3: it was good is when the US Marines were down
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  Speaker 3: there and they did a phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal job. But
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  Speaker 3: the situation is just absolutely terrible. People are killed every
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  Speaker 3: single day. The gang's run basically run a good part
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  Speaker 3: of the country. And we're talking now in Port of Prince,
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about the capitol. You cannot fly into Port
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  Speaker 3: a Prince with US carrier because US carrier.
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  Speaker 2: Will not go into Port of Prince.
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  Speaker 3: Why because the gangs shoot at the planes when they
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  Speaker 3: come in.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it's a horrible, horrible situation.
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  Speaker 3: So nobody who knows anything about Haiti can say that
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  Speaker 3: the situation is improved.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, it's gotten a lot worse.
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  Speaker 3: A good evidence of that is, you know, the Haitians
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  Speaker 3: who I have talked to, who knew that they would
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  Speaker 3: have to leave or thought they might have to leave.
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  Speaker 3: There wasn't anybody I've talked to they said they were
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  Speaker 3: going back to Haiti. They're going to try to find
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  Speaker 3: any place else to go to where they can work
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  Speaker 3: and support their family. But they're not going back there.
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  Speaker 1: Governor, if I can ask you, is well you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the mayor in Springfield. My colleague William Brangham, was on
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  Speaker 1: the ground there a little over a year ago speaking
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  Speaker 1: to folks in the community. He met with Haitians who
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  Speaker 1: had settled there, He talked to some companies. He said
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  Speaker 1: they were very happy to have people fill the jobs
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  Speaker 1: and to fill communities that had been somewhat abandoned. But
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  Speaker 1: the mayor also said at the time that services were
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  Speaker 1: being taxed right, people needed some support language translation services
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  Speaker 1: in the schools and the hospitals and the clinics, and
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  Speaker 1: he said it was stretching resources. So what's the balance
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  Speaker 1: there to you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if that's that's true, it was a big influx
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  Speaker 3: within a relatively short period of time, and we worked
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  Speaker 3: with the mayor to try to try to help them.
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  Speaker 3: So certainly, you know schools have Haitian children in there,
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  Speaker 3: and you know that is additional cost if they don't
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  Speaker 3: speak the language. But the interesting thing about you know,
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  Speaker 3: the employers, despite the fact that there was a language barrier,
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  Speaker 3: despite the fact there was a culture barrier, employers were
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  Speaker 3: hiring them, and they were hiring them because they had
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  Speaker 3: jobs to fill. And there's a multiplier effect. Some of
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  Speaker 3: these companies told me we were able to put on
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  Speaker 3: a second shift because of the Haitians, you know. Some
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  Speaker 3: of them told me that we're able to take on
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  Speaker 3: bigger projects, sell more goods, whatever it is that they
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  Speaker 3: were selling. That has a multiplier effect in the economy.
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  Speaker 3: Because of that economic activity, other people will get jobs
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  Speaker 3: because of that. So, yes, it is a challenge that
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  Speaker 3: the City of Springfield has taken on.
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  Speaker 2: They've done a very very good job.
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  Speaker 3: But I think if you ask the business people, if
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  Speaker 3: you ask the mayor, you know what is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: The answer is when these individuals who no longer have
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  Speaker 3: TPS status, When they don't have TPS status, they cannot
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  Speaker 3: be employed. So you know, they're going to be unemployed.
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  Speaker 3: And many of them have already left some of them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the rest of them will have to leave
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  Speaker 3: at some point and try to find some country where
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  Speaker 3: they can actually work. I mean, the big picture for
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  Speaker 3: Ohio is this, we are a red hot state. We
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  Speaker 3: are bringing in companies all the time to Ohio. The
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  Speaker 3: real question today is do we have the people to
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  Speaker 3: fill that. So we put a great deal of effort
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  Speaker 3: on education, on job trading, We've put a great deal
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  Speaker 3: of effort on career tech, as well as focusing on
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  Speaker 3: colleges because they need all of the above. But without
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  Speaker 3: immigrants coming in, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 3: harder for us to fill these jobs. If you look
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  Speaker 3: at the increase in population in Ohio and we are
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  Speaker 3: now going up for the first time in a number
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  Speaker 3: of years. If you look at that, probably three fourths
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  Speaker 3: of that is a direct result of immigrants.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at well.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much more to talk about around this. No,
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate your time, and I hope you'll come
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  Speaker 1: back and join us as we follow the impact. We'll
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  Speaker 1: have to leave it there for now. That is Republican
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  Speaker 1: Governor Mike DeWine of Ohio joining us tonight. Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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