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SEARCH FOR EVIL UBER DRIVER: MOM CHANTI CALLS CAR AFTER WORK & NEVER GETS HOME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: The search for an evil uber driver after a working
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  Speaker 2: mom Shanty calls for a car after work and never
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  Speaker 2: makes it home. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. A late night uber
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  Speaker 2: ride turns deadly. The shocking details of a mother of
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  Speaker 2: two's final moments. Shanty Dixon, thirty is described as a fun,
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  Speaker 2: loving go getter, a supportive friend and carrying family member,
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  Speaker 2: but most importantly a doting mom. Shanty would do anything
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  Speaker 2: for her two children, ages nine to thirteen, and works
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  Speaker 2: hard to provide for them. Shanty often works late into
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  Speaker 2: the night, relying on ride share services to get home,
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  Speaker 2: joining me in All Star Pale, but first ione to
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  Speaker 2: goes straight out to a renowned psychologist joining us today
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  Speaker 2: from Manhattan TV Radio trauma expert. He can find her
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  Speaker 2: at karenstart dot com. That's Karen with the Sea if
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  Speaker 2: you're trying to reach her, Karen, thank you for being
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  Speaker 2: with us tonight.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: How many more times does the victim have to be
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  Speaker 2: a mother, Because when the victim is a mother, you
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  Speaker 2: end up victimizing the children too. And I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: fathers don't do their Here of course they do. But
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  Speaker 2: there's something about losing your mother. It can ruin your
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  Speaker 2: whole life, care and start.
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  Speaker 3: It can Nancy, It definitely can wound your whole life.
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  Speaker 3: And think about these children, I mean mothers. We come
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  Speaker 3: from our mothers. So there's a special connection in bond
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  Speaker 3: between a child and a mother. And when something happens
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  Speaker 3: to a mother, as in this case, then the children
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  Speaker 3: are left with somebody caretaking them. And it's never the same.
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  Speaker 3: How could it possibly be the same?
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  Speaker 4: Chanty gets off work past midnight Sunday morning and immediately
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  Speaker 4: orders an uber run a quick errand before heading home.
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  Speaker 4: When they make it to the drop off location, Chanty
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  Speaker 4: asks the driver to wait for a moment. She'll order
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  Speaker 4: a second ride home when she finishes her errand. The
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  Speaker 4: driver agrees, and Chanty orders to second ride, which is
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  Speaker 4: completed in just minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Again joining US at All Star, panels straight out to
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  Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, joining US co host Primetime Crime on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Where did this take place?
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  Speaker 5: This is Indianapolis, Indiana, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so a very concentrated population. There's a big difference.
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  Speaker 2: Let me go straight back out to Brian Fitzgibbons joining
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  Speaker 2: US direct operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team
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  Speaker 2: of investigators that specialize in missing people at uspasecurity dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Brian, thank you for being with us tonight. Brian.
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  Speaker 2: There's a big difference when you're looking for a missing
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  Speaker 2: person and a concentrated urban area.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've been to Manhattan a million times. I
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  Speaker 1: raised the children there.
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  Speaker 2: When you're trying to find someone in a concentrated area
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  Speaker 2: like Indianapolis, it's like a needle in a haystack. It
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  Speaker 2: completely changes the search for the missing person.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: And you know police had to rely on you know
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  Speaker 6: app traffic, you know Uber capturing or lyft, the ride
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  Speaker 6: share in this case, capturing the location of that vehicle
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  Speaker 6: to help narrow down this search.
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  Speaker 7: It's absolutely difficult in an urban environment, the challenges that
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  Speaker 7: investigators face locating an individual amongst tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 7: other individual vehicles that look the same, people that look
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  Speaker 7: the same. This is a very challenging environment to track
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  Speaker 7: one person down.
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  Speaker 1: It really is, of course, Brian is Gibbons.
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  Speaker 2: When we're doing a rural search, it has its own problems,
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  Speaker 2: but I think here, at least not out of ping
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  Speaker 2: range in a big city like Indianapolis. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 2: in a very rural setting, a mountainous setting, a desert setting,
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  Speaker 2: you actually go off ping radar. You can't get a
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  Speaker 2: cell and it makes it so much harder to rely
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  Speaker 2: on technology. So this is what we've got right now.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a mom of two who works at night.
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  Speaker 2: The children wake up, no mom listen.
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  Speaker 8: A few hours later, Shanty's family realized that she never
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  Speaker 8: made it home. The mom isn't answering her phone either.
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  Speaker 8: When Shanty is still on accountant for twenty four hours later,
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  Speaker 8: her family reports her missing and heads to her home
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  Speaker 8: to search for clues. Inside her home, a family member
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  Speaker 8: finds Shanty's Apple watch. The watch shows Shanty's phone is
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  Speaker 8: still pinging not far from her home. The family walks
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  Speaker 8: toward the phone's location, ending up in a wooded area
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  Speaker 8: about two blocks away.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 2: The way that phones are now used, it's amazing. In
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  Speaker 2: this case, they immediately start doing what they can to
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  Speaker 2: find her, and that is trying to ping her phone
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  Speaker 2: find my location. Practically everybody with an iPhone has that,
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  Speaker 2: and there have been a lot of cases where phone
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  Speaker 2: pings yield evidence for instance, who can't forget I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. The case of Sherry Peppinie. Don't
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  Speaker 2: any of you guess hide under your desk. Sherry Peppinie
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  Speaker 2: was the young mom who goes missing at Thanksgiving, leaving
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  Speaker 2: her husband and children to face the holiday without her.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone assumes she's been kidnapped.
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  Speaker 2: Why because the husband didifyd my iPhone and he finds
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  Speaker 2: her iPhone.
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  Speaker 1: Sitting neatly on the side of the road.
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  Speaker 2: And that's when I smelled a rat right there, Daryl Cohen,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to Darryl Coe and former felony prosecutor in
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  Speaker 2: inner City Atlanta, now defense attorney. Darryl Interesting, this is
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  Speaker 2: when I first smelt a rat with peppeni But I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't sure, and I didn't want to attack a potential victim,
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  Speaker 2: so I stayed quiet about it for at least a week.
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  Speaker 2: Her phone had the the earbuds that attached to the
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  Speaker 2: phone by wire. She wasn't using speaker phone or bluetooth,
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  Speaker 2: and the attachment had been wrapped neatly around the phone,
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  Speaker 2: tucked in and like sat.
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  Speaker 1: On top of a mailbox.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Darryl Cohen, really you're out jogging. You're forcibly attacked
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  Speaker 2: and dragged off, but you had time to neatly wrap
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  Speaker 2: up the phone wire and place it on a mailbox.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want the phone to get hurt? Okay, right then
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  Speaker 2: rat smells stinks.
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  Speaker 9: It doesn't stink, it reeks, Nancy. We know that phones
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  Speaker 9: don't have legs and they don't have arms, so they
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  Speaker 9: can't do it themselves. So it's obvious that whatever happened
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  Speaker 9: to her when it happened when it happened, was done
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  Speaker 9: by someone else, someone who was so smart. They were
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  Speaker 9: so actually dumb in what they did and how they
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  Speaker 9: planted the phone, unless the phone decided it had a
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  Speaker 9: mind of its own.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle Dupree is joining US forensic psychologist, medical examiner
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  Speaker 2: and happily for me, a former detective with the Lextionon
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  Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Department. She's the author of Money, Mischief and Murder,
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  Speaker 2: the Murdog's Saga. The rest of the story, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think so, doctor Duprey. Sadly, I think there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be another chapter, such as a new trial, so you
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  Speaker 2: may have to write any book that aside. This is
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  Speaker 2: where I'm interested, she wrote, homicide Investigation field guide. Amazing,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Dupre, you have handled so many autopsies and death investigations.
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  Speaker 2: When a family, the victim's family, can you imagine this
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  Speaker 2: is her mother out looking for shanty, follows the pings
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  Speaker 2: into the woods.
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  Speaker 1: And they know why would she mom be in the woods.
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  Speaker 2: The sense of foreboding must have been horrible, Doctor Dupree.
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  Speaker 2: What victims' families go through when they know inside the
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  Speaker 2: person's dead but they don't know it yet, Doctor Dupre.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy, you know that when you see that that phone
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  Speaker 10: is out in the woods, a place that she would
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  Speaker 10: not normally be, and you just know what's coming next,
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  Speaker 10: and you don't want to see it, You don't want
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  Speaker 10: to feel it. You deny it it but you can't
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  Speaker 10: and you go forward and then you find her.
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  Speaker 1: A totally devastating What happens next?
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  Speaker 4: Listen as the confused family walks through the area. Chanty's mom,
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  Speaker 4: Reesa Dixon, doesn't find her daughter's phone, but sees what
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  Speaker 4: looks like a crumpled figure behind a concrete barrier. As
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  Speaker 4: she gets closer, Lisa realizes it's a woman lying on
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  Speaker 4: her stomach. Her head is covered with a T shirt
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  Speaker 4: and She's naked from the waist down and unresponsive. Reesa
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  Speaker 4: calls nine to one one, fearing the worst. Investigators discovered
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  Speaker 4: the woman died from a single gunshot wound to the temple.
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  Speaker 4: Resa identifies the woman as her daughter, Chanty Dixon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars. You know, Darryl Cohen, I pull your
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  Speaker 2: leg a lot. But you and I have seen I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how many thousands of crime scenes and crime
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  Speaker 2: scene photos and autopsy photos. And you know, you and
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  Speaker 2: I from the same district Attorney's office. I remember the
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  Speaker 2: first homicide I ever had.
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  Speaker 1: I thought I was ready for it. I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: I opened the file, Darryl, and you know our sop
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  Speaker 2: was that would have all the documents necessary, well up
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  Speaker 2: to that point anyway, police reports, supplementals, client crime lab reports,
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  Speaker 2: autopsy report, and then in the back there would be
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  Speaker 2: a smaller, sturdy Manila folder about six by four, and
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  Speaker 2: in it would be documents and photos you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to lose, such as the autopsy photos.
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  Speaker 1: But when I opened my.
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  Speaker 2: First murder case, someone along the way had stapled the
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  Speaker 2: autopsy close up at the very front. And I opened
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  Speaker 2: it up and I saw that, and it barely looked
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  Speaker 2: like a.
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  Speaker 1: Person, and that case I distinctly recalled.
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  Speaker 2: The victim's name was Mary, and she had been bludgeoned dead,
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  Speaker 2: but she had also been asshxiated with one of those
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  Speaker 2: clear plastic laundry bags over her head, and she had
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  Speaker 2: sucked in the bag trying to breathe. And I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: tell what I was seeing at first. It didn't even
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  Speaker 2: look like a face totally, but there were particles all
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  Speaker 2: around her nose and mouth where she had sucked in
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  Speaker 2: trying so desperately to live, and the medical examiner had
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  Speaker 2: to pull the plastic off of her face. So that
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  Speaker 2: was a shock when I saw that for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: I've seen seasoned, seasoned homicide detectives, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: rookies literally vomit at homicide scenes. So when we see that,
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  Speaker 2: Shanty's mother, dear Old Cohen see something and doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: realize what it is. It's her daughter's crumpled up body, Darryl.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes bodies don't even look like people, Nan see.
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  Speaker 9: It's not something that we can ever, not something I
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  Speaker 9: have ever been able to get used to. I know
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  Speaker 9: I'm ready, I know I'm ready, And then when I
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  Speaker 9: see it, I find I'm not ready. When you see
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  Speaker 9: an autopsy, you know immediately why the autopsy took place,
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  Speaker 9: but what you see doesn't resonate in many times, in
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  Speaker 9: many instances with your brain because you don't want to
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  Speaker 9: see it and you can't see it that you have
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  Speaker 9: to see it. Especially as a prosecutor, you need to
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  Speaker 9: know what you're going after. The person or persons who
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  Speaker 9: committed that heenus crime that made the body in front
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  Speaker 9: of you in a picture real, up close and personal.
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  Speaker 9: And when it gets up close and personal, we who
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  Speaker 9: prosecute to never forget it. You sleep and sometimes wake
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  Speaker 9: up seeing that picture. The image is so real that
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  Speaker 9: you just can't even believe it. And then you think
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  Speaker 9: about the people close to your kids, your family. What
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  Speaker 9: happens if this is terrible? Nancy, there's no word, There
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  Speaker 9: are no words that can explain how those poor kids
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  Speaker 9: feel and her mom felt.
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  Speaker 8: A community in mourning, a family seeking justice. The ripple
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  Speaker 8: effects of Shanty Dixon's fishes murderer.
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  Speaker 2: What happened to Shanty before we went to break her mother?
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  Speaker 2: Shanty's mother, her children desperately looking for her, and then
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  Speaker 2: they see what they find out is a crumpled up body.
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  Speaker 2: I would not wish that on anyone. To find your
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  Speaker 2: beloved dead body.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Dozens of Indianapolis Metro PD officers combed the area for clues.
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  Speaker 8: It appears Shanty's body was dragged behind the concrete barrier.
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  Speaker 8: Her clothing, a green tank top romper, is found next
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  Speaker 8: to her body with both straps ripped at the shoulders.
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  Speaker 8: A canine locate Shanty's phone and wallet tossed in the
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  Speaker 8: woods away from her body. Family members know Shanty's password,
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  Speaker 8: giving homicide investigators access to her last digital activity. Investigators
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  Speaker 8: notice Dixon's last move was to tip an uber driver
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  Speaker 8: who provided two rides.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a lot of evidence to go through.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, she was shot. Lauren Conlin joining me,
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter and co hosts of Primetime Crime on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren one shot a single gun shot to the temple. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to circle back in just a moment. Lauren
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  Speaker 2: Colin with doctor Michelle Dupree about trajectory path, the likelihood
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  Speaker 2: this could have been some suicide, which I doubt. Statistically,
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  Speaker 2: no woman commits suicide naked or partially clothed. That's just
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  Speaker 2: not going to happen. Why I'm not a straight Lauren Colin,
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  Speaker 2: don't know, don't care, Frankly, I just know that it's true. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to her about the manner
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  Speaker 2: in which the body has been found, the mode and
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  Speaker 2: cod mode of death, matter of death, and cause of death.
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  Speaker 1: But let me understand.
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  Speaker 2: Describe to me, Lauren Colin, exactly the condition in what
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  Speaker 2: Shanty's in which Shanty's body is found.
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  Speaker 5: Her body was naked, crumpled on the ground, and her
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  Speaker 5: head was covered with some kind of sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 1: She was clearly deceased, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Crumpled on the ground, a T shirt or some sort
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  Speaker 2: of covering over her head, which is a whole nother
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  Speaker 2: psychological aspect. The single shot to the temple of this
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  Speaker 2: thirty year old mom out working at night for her family,
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  Speaker 2: on her way home to her two children, ages nine
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  Speaker 2: and thirteen. Let's talk about it, doctor Michelle Dupree, because
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  Speaker 2: right there, that is a lot of probative evidence, evidence
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  Speaker 2: that proves something to me, critical evidence. Let's start with
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  Speaker 2: a single gunshot to the temple.
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  Speaker 1: That tells me a lot right there. What can you learn?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I always talk about trajectory paths, like did
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  Speaker 2: the bullet come in straight to the side and come
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  Speaker 2: out straight to the side? Can I see a trajectory
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  Speaker 2: path going straight across? What does that tell me? That
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  Speaker 2: tells me that the victim did not shoot themselves, because
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  Speaker 2: when you shoot yourself, you end up pointing, whether it
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  Speaker 2: means he or not, up or down one way or
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  Speaker 2: the other.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I can tell if it was point blank.
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  Speaker 2: Is there stippling in other words, burn marks where the
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  Speaker 2: skin has actually touched the end of the gun.
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  Speaker 1: Is there gunshot residue?
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  Speaker 2: Or was the shot from at least thirty six inches
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  Speaker 2: away or more, which would render no gunshot residue.
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  Speaker 1: Around the body? Another thing is a gunshot residue on
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  Speaker 1: her hand.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to think about, and I've always
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  Speaker 2: been curious how how you what do you open up
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  Speaker 2: the skull to find that trajectory path? How do you
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  Speaker 2: actually get and determine the trajectory path of the bullet?
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  Speaker 10: Nancy, everything you said is accurate, and we look at
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  Speaker 10: all of that. If there is something we call tattooing
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  Speaker 10: or sipling, as you mentioned, it may be thirty six
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  Speaker 10: inches or so away, then when we do open the skull,
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  Speaker 10: we do trace that bullet path absolutely through the skull
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  Speaker 10: and through the brain, what tissues it did, and we
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  Speaker 10: find that trajectory, was it up or down?
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  Speaker 1: Was it right to left?
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  Speaker 10: And all of those things tell us a lot about
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  Speaker 10: what actually happened. This is such a beautiful young lady.
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  Speaker 10: I cannot imagine their parents finding her like this.
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  Speaker 1: You know you mentioned right to left. That's also critical.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe I left it out of my summary,
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  Speaker 2: because what if I find out she's left handed. A
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  Speaker 2: left handed person cannot shoot themselves from right to left. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: you and I have been carefully analyzing another case where
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  Speaker 2: that comes into play, the suicide of Ellen Greenberg, a
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  Speaker 2: young first grade teacher that stabbed herself twenty times in
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  Speaker 2: the back and the back of the neck and the
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  Speaker 2: back of the head. In that case, a lot of
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  Speaker 2: the stabbings, which is all whole nother animal to try
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  Speaker 2: for the medical examiners to make sense of, and the
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  Speaker 2: stabbings they were many of them would have to have
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  Speaker 2: been done with the left hand, and she is right handed.
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  Speaker 2: Stabbings that I do not believe someone that was right
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  Speaker 2: dominant could have performed with their left hand because of
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  Speaker 2: the force necessary and the accuracy necessary to inflict those
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  Speaker 2: stab wounds. So it's amazing, isn't it, doctor Duprie, what
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  Speaker 2: we can figure out during autopsy based on the wound alone.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy, The body can tell us so many things. It
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  Speaker 10: gives us all kinds of clues. If we're just there
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  Speaker 10: and looking forward as we should be, it can tell
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  Speaker 10: us the whole.
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  Speaker 2: Story nearly, you know, Karen, start with me. Now, I'm psychologist, Karen.
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  Speaker 2: I need to talk to you about leaving the mindset
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  Speaker 2: of someone that would leave this mom's mostly naked body
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  Speaker 2: out in plain view, crumpled up and interestingly with a
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  Speaker 2: covering over the face. That's something you and I have
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  Speaker 2: analyzed many times.
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  Speaker 1: I always use this example, which I find really odd.
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  Speaker 2: I had one murder victim shot found naked on her
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  Speaker 2: bed in her bedroom at home, and the killer had
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  Speaker 2: placed a white weaker trash basket over the victim's.
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  Speaker 1: Head and left her that way.
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  Speaker 2: Then there of course less odd variations where the victim's
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  Speaker 2: face is covered up with leaves or branches, if they're
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  Speaker 2: out in the woods with a sheet or a blanket,
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  Speaker 2: if they're in a home. Here we see the victim's
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  Speaker 2: face covered with a T shirt or a sweatshirt. It
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  Speaker 2: means something, Karen Stark, What does it mean?
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  Speaker 1: And will it help me catch my killer?
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  Speaker 3: It means that this particular killer could not bear the
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  Speaker 3: thought that this person, even though she's dead, is looking
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  Speaker 3: at him. Doesn't want to see the face, doesn't want
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  Speaker 3: to see what he did. In some instances, Nancy, where
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: I followed a case, there was a father who killed
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: his family, and with the children, he put something over
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: their head so he wouldn't have to see what he
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: had done, as though they are still alive.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And it happens a lot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Just like some killers pose bodies, they actually are thinking
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: about what the victim looks like after they are dead.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: We wouldn't imagine that, but they are doing that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: A brother of two becomes the latest victim and a
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: disturbing trend. Her story highlights the dark side of ride sharing.
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: Dozens of Indianapolis Metro ped officers combed the area for clues.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: It appears Shanty's body was dragged behind the concrete barrier.
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: Her clothing a green tank top romper is found next
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: to her body with both straps ripped at the shoulders.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: A canine locate Shanty's phone and wallet tossed in the
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: woods away from her body. Family members know Shanty's password,
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: giving homicide investigators access to her last digital activity. Investigator's notice.
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: Dixon's last move was to tip an Uber driver who
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: provided two rides.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Last known digital activity tipping an Uber driver for two rides?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: What does that mean? That she took a ride, then
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: did an errand for a few moments, and then took
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: another ride with the same driver.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: What more do we know? Listen?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Indianapolis Metropolitan Police respond to a nine to one one
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: call from a hysterical mother looking for her missing daughter.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Reesa.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Dixon is tracking Shanty Dixon's phone when she finds her
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: daughter lying behind concrete barriers at the dead end on
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Wagner Street, shot in the head. Shandy Dixon is naked
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: from the waist down, with a sweatshirt covering her hand,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: the rest of Chanty's clothing found ripped nearby, and her
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: belongings missing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Joining me is the Director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons. Brian, again, thank you for being with us tonight.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the phenomena of Uber driver,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: lift driver all the right chairs and how carefully, they
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: are tracked. There is a central location where you can
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: see where they're going. Are they deviating from the address
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: that the client puts in? How does that work? What
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: is the technology that allows us to know? I mean,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: if I do Instacart for Pete's sake, I can look
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: or Uber eats, I can see where the driver is right,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: So how does it work? It sounds complicated, but it's not,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: is it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: Well, you're looking at basic GPS technology that's through that
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: driver's app, Okay, and you know when it comes to
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: a woman's safety alone with a driver, you know, we're
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: talking about a volume play here. There are so many
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: Uber drivers on the road that Uber corporate there there's
• 24:15
  Speaker 7: no way that they can track any deviations real time.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Brian. The technology of that it's public.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I can see what the driver's doing,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: can't Uber headquarters see what the driver is doing?
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, they're going to be able to, you know, especially
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: when police request it tell you exactly where that driver went,
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: what time, what location, et cetera, and if there was
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: any deviation from what the requested ride passenger had asked for.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So obviously, Brian Fitzgibbons, we can also determine who is
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: the uber driver right of course.
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: Of course, so in this case they were able to
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: quickly do that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And of course also in this case I got to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: got a shrink on this. The uber driver that drove
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Shanty home from work that night to her children is
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: a guy named Francisco Valdez, Karen Stark. He's twenty nine
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: years old, and he lives in mom He's basement.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Help me, so this is somebody who is still attached
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to his mom. Remember we talked before how no one
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: will care for you or really pay attention most of
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: the time unless it's your a mom. Well, he's a
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: mature adult, but he can't leave his mom yet. He's
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: very dependent on her, so he actually has not matured.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: But well, I can figure that much out, Karen Stark.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, help me out. With living with your mom
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: but not having a relationship of your own with a
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: woman like you don't date, but you still live with
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: your mom. Can you be, for instance, and in sel
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: and hate women but still live with your mother.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: You can still live with your mom and actually hate
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: your mom, Nancy, I mean that is a possibility. It's
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: somebody if he's not dating and he's still interested in women,
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: then he doesn't. He doesn't come across well with women.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: He doesn't feel comfortable, he's awkward, and he could possibly
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: really have a hatred for women that is not coming out.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Even for his mom, he can't leave her yet he
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: doesn't feel good about being there or.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Who she is. It happens a lot.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: You see guys who fight with their mom all the time,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: but they can't leave their mother.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen with me, now renowned defense attorney throughout the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Southeast and beyond, but former felony prosecutor in a jurisdiction
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: where there is never a lack of business, Inner City Atlanta,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Daryl Cohen, we did not call them in sales, in
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: voluntaries celibates, But you and I have had a lot
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: of cases where well almost always women and children are
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: the victims in a large, large majority of cases. But
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: it's so obvious that the perp hated women.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They were nothing to him.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Whoever did this had to really hate women, not just Shanty.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: He didn't even have to know her hated women to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: leave a lady like this.
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: Obviously what he did was unforgivable and unmentionable. He likely
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: did not know she was a mother, and didn't really
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: much care that she was a mother. What he cared
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: about was killing this woman, killing this woman who absolutely
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: likely did nothing to him. Maybe she engaged with him
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: vocally as he was driving, but that's it. He hates
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: he did her, and he may have hated all women
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: because what he did show he had no relationship with her.
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: So as a result, you have to generalize. And in
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: my view, in my view, what he did was unconscionable
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: and unmentionable. And when and if he needs to have
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: one thing and one thing only, and that's the death penalty.
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: And that's me as a defense lawyer, a former prosecutor.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So who is twenty nine year old Francisco Valadez, And
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: let me warn you the lies start immediately.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: The Uber driver is identified as Francisco Valadez, twenty nine,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: using his Uber vehicle details. Cops track him down to
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: a homie shares with his mother. Valadez confirms he drives
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: for Uber and whilst working early Sunday morning, Valadez tells
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: cops he owns a nine millimeters pistol but does not
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: care carriot. When driving, valades recognizes a photo of Chanty
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and remembers her back to back rides, but says there
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: was nothing unusual about them. Valades comments that he heard
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: what sounded like a gunshot as he drove away from
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: the second drop off.
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: Valades says he called the police non emergency line about
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: an hour and a half after dropping Shanty off. When
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: asked why Valades's story changes, he now claims that while
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: stopped at an intersection, a blackmail armed with a gun
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: approached the back passenger seat where Shanty was sitting and
• 29:37
  Speaker 8: demanded she hand over her valuables. When Shanty refused, the
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: man shot her in the thigh. Valades says Shanty declined
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: his offer to call nine one one and got out
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: of the car still bleeding. Valades says when police did
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: not respond to his five point thirty am call, he
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: cleaned up the blood in the backseat.
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: Oh.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I love it when targets start changing their story, not
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: adding to the story, because that's to be expected. Upon
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: further questioning, the witness will add facts with the right questions.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But here we get a totally different story. Lauren Colin
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: joining Me, investigative reporter, co host of Primetime Crime on YouTube.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Lauren now first of all, which is like a big
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: red flag. Okay, Jackie, I need a red flag to
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: wave on the sick is this?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Listen to this? He says.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: When he drops her off, he hears what sounds like
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: a gunshot when he drives away.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, I love that. I roll that. Hey,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I need that, I roll on video. I'm going to
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: turn that into a meme.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: He hears the gunshot, when a gunshot, but yet he
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: just keeps driving. All right, that's the first story. Then
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: he says he called the non emergency when I hear
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: what I think is a gunshot one a gunshot, I
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: immediately call nine one one. They recognize my number. He says,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: he called not non emergent. See an hour and a
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: half after dropping her off, and they go why why
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: an hour and a half. He goes er, oh, darn,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I screwed that up. His story changes. What's his knee story,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Lauren commin?
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Well, his next story was that she got shot in
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: the thigh. And then police are like, well, she was
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: shot in the head. They realized that he's lying. They
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: take him down A minute A minute, what you left
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: out the black man?
• 31:27
  Speaker 12: Oh?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, Susan Smith all over again. Blame the black man.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, wait, wait wait, okay, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, do
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you remember who went on to become an incredible judge,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: My former trial partner, Herman Sloane in our office. Okay, when,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: of course Susan I happened to be. Okay, he wasn't
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: really my trial partner. He would just bail me out
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: when I got in troubling court, which is like every
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: hour he'd come in and if I have the right lawn,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: get me out of contempt. Anyway, great friend. The description
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that Susan Smith gave of the black man that took
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: her children and carjacked her out in the middle of nowhere,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: there's a head on also of him.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: That's not the one.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: But I saw that and I went, herman, where were you?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Because the front not in the side one at all,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: But the frontal face description she gave looked like herman.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: He goes, I know, I've already been told I.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Looked like the guy a carjack Susan Smith's children. The
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: black man is the black man did it, and here
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: we're hearing it again. He now claims that stopped at
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: an intersection. Somebody's been listening to Susan Smith, a black
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: man armed with a gun approached the back passenger seat.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did the guy get from.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: The intersection into the back passenger seat and demanded she
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: hand over her valuables, not the driver, and she refused.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: He shot her in the thigh. I mean, really, we
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: call it PFA.
• 33:24
  Speaker 9: Herman Sloan got off the bench, came over to that area,
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: did a PFA, which is a pick from air, and
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: all of a sudden she got shot in the thigh,
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: which majestically and as if by magic, went straight up
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: to her temple and she died.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: The magic bullet like in the JFK shooting. Okay, that's
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: another thing for doctor dupree to explain how that shot
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in the thigh ins that going right to left a
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: trajectory path through the victim's head.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this, guys.
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: The investigator informs Valadez the Shanty's body was found and
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: she wasn't shot in the Valades quickly changes his story again.
• 34:03
  Speaker 8: Valades still blames the mugger, but admits he panicked afterward
• 34:07
  Speaker 8: and dumb Shanty's body. However, Valades adds another odd comment
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: saying that shanty was closed when he left her, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: whatever happened after I dumped her I know nothing about.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: But you have to hear this. That's not all. Wait
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: for it, listen.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: Valades tells investigators he's a thirty year old virgin and
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: asked Chanty if she would have sex with him during
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: the ride. Valades says Chanty refused him, but eventually agreed
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: for an undisclosed sum and undressed. Valades claims that while
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: he was struggling, Chancey made fun of him and eventually
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: angered him so much.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: That he shot her.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Valades then drags Chanty's body into the woods and decides
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: to have another go at it. After another attempt at
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: intercourse with her body, Valades then dumps her belongings and
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: leaves Lauren Colin.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Let me understand, he is saying that Chanty he's been
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: working all night. Okay, on her way home, I agrees
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to have sex with the uber driver out in the
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. It starts undressing. That's his story, Okay. No,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Lady Gerar is ever gonna believe that. No.
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: And he also said at one point too that she
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: was smacking him on the head, so he was acting
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: in self defense. But yes, that is such an absurd claim,
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: and every woman knows that that is.
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: Bs Uber faces an alarming surge in sexual assault allegations,
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: with reported cases skyrocketing from three twenty one in July
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: to us staggering one three and forty six today, an
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: increase of over four times in just three months.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: For people that's out there doing stuff like that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Man be its in my chap because you picked up
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: a sure brand work and you thought when nobody don't care,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: we care.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that.
• 36:01
  Speaker 11: From our friends WRTV, this mom has lost her daughter.
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: Her daughter had two beautiful children that she supported.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Now what I want to take a listen to what
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: we've just heard. Guys.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Melodes tells investigators he's a quote thirty year old virgin, Okay.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Then he says he gets angry shanty shoots her dead,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: then drags her in the woods to quote have another
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: go at it, and tries to have intercourse with her body.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Believe it or not, Karen, start you and I know
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it's not that uncommon.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Well, you're talking again, Nancy about hatred, and you're talking
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: about men who very often have sexual issues. This is
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: this rape rape is not about sex. Rape is about violence.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Rape is about anger, and they have tremendous anger. They're
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: violent and they don't care if their victim is alive
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: or dead. They're gonna cary get.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: You on the weeds and back into the middle of
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the road. Karen Stark, I'm talking about necrythilia, sex with
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: a dead bactly.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm explaining. It doesn't matter.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Actually, it's easier if the person is dead for these
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: particular people, because then they don't feel like they're judged,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: they don't feel like someone is watching them, if they're inadequate,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: if they're not doing well, and they can just have
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: a go at it and not have to worry about
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: what the reaction is death actually turns down.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's a little ephemistic, Karen Stark. Those
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: are the words of the defendant, valid as have a
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: go at it. It's certainly putting perfume on the pig,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: doctor dupree, have a go at it. That means trying
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: to have sex to penetrate a lady's dead body.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is, all right.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: That does not mean valades who's presumed innocent until proving guilty.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: That does not mean that he is insane. Have you
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: ever seen that phenomena doctor dupre.
• 38:30
  Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, I have, and there's usually there's evidence of
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: that at the autopsy as well. So this is not
• 38:36
  Speaker 10: something that we see, hopefully very commonly, but it does happen.
• 38:41
  Speaker 10: And he is a sick man.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Some may call him sick, I call him a killer.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And let me remind mister valades lethal injection the needle
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: is the mode of death in Indiana a lot better
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: than what Ante endured. But here's a tiny bit of
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: good news. Listen to Chief Chris Bailly.
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: After an interview, they arrested twenty nine year old Francisco Valadez,
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: who was preliminarily charged with murder. I anticipate additional facts
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: being discovered in additional charges on this individual as we
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: move forward, like.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Tampering with a dead body, destruction or misuse of a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: dead body, desecrating a dead body. And remember a case
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: cannot be made based solely on the confession of a defendant,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: so we've got to find evidence that he did desecrate
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: her body post mortem. Tonight, our prayers with her children
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: and her mother. If you are so inclined. There is
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: a go fund Me set up to help Shanty Dixon's
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: children after her death. Remember, law enforcement is still building
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: its case. If you think you have information of any type,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: dial three one seven two six two tips. That's three
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: one seven two six two eight four seven seven.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls.
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: Goodbye friend,