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September 22, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_09: Good morning, and I love your show.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_22: And what is going on this Tuesday?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_22: Welcome to the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_22: I am your host, John Justice.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_22: It would be weird if there were somebody else, unless they were filling in, of which we do have plans for.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_22: The holidays coming up, Thanksgiving, Christmas, some time off will be taken.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_22: We'll have some guests uh sitting uh sitting in here to make sure that we continue to provide for you the content even over the holidays that you have come to demand from this fantastic program.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_22: Devin uh joins us on producing the show uh this morning.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_22: Just had a conversation about uh Kyler Murray starting again uh this uh this weekend after coming off of concussion protocol.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_22: You're optimistic about this, though, as we do a little Vikings talk.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_22: Yes, I am.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_22: I'm glad that the Vikings are sticking with the game plan.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_22: I I I think that for what little I know of the Vikings and the way that they've operated the past few years, they seem to have leaned into the well, let's make this change and then we'll we'll stick with the change rather than sticking with the initial game plan.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_22: So I like that they're sticking with the initial game plan.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_27: Yeah, the whole Vikings bit seems to be play a different quarterback every season.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_27: And if we can find any consistency, that would be great.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_22: They had a uh during the uh during the weekend game uh against uh Chicago, they had a list, they put up a graphic of a list of all the quarterbacks throughout this.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_22: Oh my goodness gracious.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_22: So looking forward to uh that thank you, uh, Devin, for a little bit of the crosstalk this morning.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_22: Uh in studio, very pleased to welcome back to the show.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_22: First time uh here at American Experiment, although she was on uh the previous show with me, has been a frequent, not only editorial writer for uh Center of the American Experiment and AmericanExperiment.org, but also a guest on the American Experiment uh podcast.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_22: Callie Proctor will be joining us at uh 6.30 this morning.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_22: She has a um, it's a fascinating piece.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_22: And I'm really looking forward, it's gonna get heavy, but I'm very much looking forward to getting into this conversation with her when she joins us on the comfy sofa here in the Center of the American Experiment studio.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, the harm reduction industrial complex, she writes in the Minneapolis Times.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_22: Harm reduction can save lives, but when survival becomes the end point of the system risks losing sight of recovery and the harm addiction inflicts on everybody near uh nearby.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_22: It is a it's a fascinating piece.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, it's a bit of a roller coaster, and I'm really looking forward to spending some time this hour when she joins us in studio early because she has to get to her job later, uh, talking about this piece and her experience with it.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_22: Uh and it's it was honestly, it was really eye-opening for me when we talk about harm reduction, when we talk about these programs that enable individuals to go and continue with their addiction in an attempt to reduce the harm.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_22: A lot of questions pop out.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_22: And what's really amazing about uh Callie's piece is that she does go through, like as I'm reading through it, I'm thinking, oh my gosh, I questions are popping up.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_22: And she moves forward to go and answer those uh those questions.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_22: So looking forward to having her uh join us coming up in uh again later on this hour, just after uh 6 30.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_22: Also, we will dive into the renewed controversy.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_22: CNN MS Now Politico suing President Donald Trump and the administration after they were barred from covering the White House over the weekend.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_22: And now you have other media sources, including uh Fox News, that are joining in in all of this.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_22: So we'll get into a few details here.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_22: We're gonna dive into it in much more detail coming up uh next uh next hour.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_22: We have a big gong green update.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_22: Uh there's a couple of major climate change lawsuit stories that we need to cover and ice controversies as well.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_22: So we're kind of getting to the red meat of some of the bigger issues regarding immigrations and customs enforcement and a gong green update.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_22: So a lot to cover on the uh on the show this morning.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_22: I want to start here, though, uh, before we talk just briefly about what's happening at the um at the White House in some local uh media uh changes and news.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_22: So over the weekend, speaking of football, if you've not been on, if you've been online, you've probably seen this.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_22: If you have uh not been online, you're probably not aware.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_22: But there were videos taken of Travis Kelsey's wife, you know, Kansas City, uh, Kansas City Chiefs, uh, Taylor Swift, in the in the booth, uh cheering on her husband.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_22: And there's a point where she's got this her her her wedding ring with a huge rock on her finger, and she's pointing to it after, I don't know, you know, Kelsey obviously did something positive out on the you know, out on the out on the field.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_22: And she points to her finger and she's like, you can hear, you can't hear her, but you can see her mouthing, um, that's my that's my husband.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_22: Devin, have you seen this?
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_27: Yes, I have.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_27: I think.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_22: Do you know what she was responding to at the time?
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_22: I think he scored.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_22: That's I would I would assume that's what it was.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, she was very excited if he just caught a pass.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_22: But then again, she's an excitable woman.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_22: So this has turned into this massive, massive meme online for those that if you haven't uh if you haven't seen it.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_22: With uh individuals taking the clip of Taylor Swift and you know her doing, that's my husband, and then applying their own versions to it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_22: For example, I think it was Dustin Gregie had had put out uh my wife's response to me when uh I kill uh spider as one of the examples.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_22: Uh I put up one yesterday with the meme of, hey, that's my that's my husband.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_22: I said, My wife when I dismantle foes of the show leftist talking points.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_22: The reason I bring all of this up is because there's been this, we've become so jaded as a society that individuals are under the impression that this is a slight on Taylor Swift.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_22: And make no mistake, there are individuals out there that are that are giving Taylor Swift a hard time, although it's funny because there's kind of a couple different things here.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_22: There are people who hate any discussion of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey, Kelsey.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_22: So they just get annoyed whenever they see any of that.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_22: It doesn't bother me at all.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_22: Uh then you have those out there that are dismissing the reaction from Taylor Swift as if it were unbecoming and juvenile of an adult wife, even though they're newlyweds, acting the way that Taylor Swift did in light of her husband scoring a touchdown in an NFL game.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_22: And then you have the meme aspect of people having fun with it, as I was just describing.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_22: We've become so jaded though, that people think that the meme aspect of it is a slide on on Taylor, and it's not.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_22: It's just having fun with the with the meme.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_22: I had somebody that reached out to me that was, you know, you know, saying that uh, you know, you're dismissing, you know, you're you're downplaying how the importance of this.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_22: No, I'm celebrating it.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_22: This is how wives should go and react and be champions of their husband.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_22: I see it as absolutely a positive thing.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_22: As a matter of fact, a friend of the show, Walter Hudson, who we need to get on the show soon, uh, he uh posted that, you know, if you want to know where your where your man is, uh who he is uh hanging with, and um, you know, basically if you want to know where your husband is at all times, then this is what you need to do.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_22: This is how wives need to go and respond.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_22: I just I was disappointed again in how jaded, in how jaded people have become regarding when it comes to memes like this.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_22: I just you just you can't have fun with anything uh anymore.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_22: So I wanted to share that up front.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_22: I have a story that kind of relates to it.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_22: I don't know if we'll have a chance to get into it.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_22: Um coming up this hour.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_22: There's a piece by Andrew Claven, uh, The Mindless Outrage is the media's true calling, and this whole controversy kind of plays a bit into that.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_22: So time permitting, I'll get to it this hour.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_22: If not, I'll save it for a uh for another time.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_22: Coming up in just a moment, uh, I do want to talk briefly about uh politico MSNow CNN uh suing the White House over access.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_22: By the way, just to be up front, there is no constitutional right that reporters have to this particular access.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_22: And JD Vance really said it uh most succinctly yesterday.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_22: Uh he talks about um denying special access.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_22: The media can still go and interview the president.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_22: They're just not gonna have temporarily, at least for now, until the president decides differently, access directly inside of the of the White House.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_22: I have the audio uh from JD Vance to share with you uh coming up in um in just a moment.
• 10:04
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• 10:14
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• 10:19
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• 10:21
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• 10:25
  SPEAKER_22: I just want to add that there is, you know, there is concern growing of the unintended consequences of these pills, including uh this report that I found as I was prepping for the show this morning.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_22: Dozens of lawsuits have been filed now against the companies behind these popular GLP1 drugs, Ozempic Wagovy, uh, Zetbound.
• 10:48
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• 10:53
  SPEAKER_50: There are now dozens of lawsuits filed in the U.S.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_50: against the makers of Ozempic, Wagovi, and Zetbound, claiming that these GLP 1 drugs led to a rare type of vision loss.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_50: In one complaint, a 53-year-old Pennsylvania woman says she was prescribed osemphic to help treat her type 2 diabetes.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_50: She alleges that within six months, she developed vision loss in her right eye, and as a result, struggles to perform daily tasks like driving and reading.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_50: Novo Nordisk, which is the maker of Osemphic and Magovi, said that they take all reports of adverse events very seriously and push back on the claims, saying the personal injury lawsuits found in the US are without merit.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_50: Eli Lilly, which makes up found, said patient safety is the top priority, and it actively monitors, evaluates, and reports safety information.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_50: Now, the medical evidence on this is mixed.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_50: One recent analysis found there may be a small increased risk for people with type 2 diabetes to develop a vision problem if they're taking GLP ones, but it didn't prove cause and effect.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_50: And doctors ultimately say more research here is needed.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_50: There can be much bigger risks, including vision loss or other health problems.
• 11:55
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• 13:13
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• 13:19
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• 13:32
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• 13:42
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• 13:48
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• 13:54
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• 15:14
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• 15:35
  SPEAKER_22: Also email John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_22: Apparently we're having some audio uh difficulties with my YouTube feed for the show.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_22: And it just apparently is my YouTube feed.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_22: So uh if you happen to be on my YouTube feed, head on over to uh Center of the American Experiments YouTube feed or Facebook and the audio is it's it's completely fine.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_22: I don't know why we're having a connection issue uh with uh my particular feed, but the audio is clean on my ex feed at John Justice J-O-N and at Center of the American Experiment YouTube and Facebook feed.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_22: So just go and search Center of the American Experiment on uh YouTube and you'll find it, you'll find it there.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_22: So uh apologies for uh for that.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_22: Have no idea why we're having that uh audio quality this morning, but this is what happens.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_22: Uh speaking of which, we actually have a related story coming up that we'll uh that we'll get into.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_22: Speaking of streaming and other shows that are headed to streaming, first off, though, the administration, the Trump administration announced the bans of the media outlets CNN, MS Now, and Politico.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_22: We talked about this yesterday a bit.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_22: Uh the White House's subsequent actions over the weekend present a clear escalation, says the story from Newsmax, of Trump's long-running efforts to restrict news coverage he finds objectionable, or in his words, fake news.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_22: And again, the writing here from uh Newsmax is wonky.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_22: It gets a it just it starts it's teetering towards this bias.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_22: It's not quite there, but I have a hard time reading that and not sort of sensing the bias coming from Newsmax, which is a bit surprising.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_22: They were also the latest test of First Amendment protections in the United States, where the government is constitutionally forbidden from restricting the press, except they're not restricting the press.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_22: And I'll give you the evidence of this coming up next hour.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_22: You had all these media outlets, and Fox News and others were joining along with CNN, MS Now, and Politico.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_22: But then yesterday there was a press conference because New York mayor Zoharon Mamdani was visiting the White House, and they held the press conference outside of the White House, and all the media was there asking questions.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_22: It's just the special access into the White House.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_22: Now, the reporting from Newsmax goes on to say the Constitution, the banned news outlets said in their lawsuit, does not allow a president or any other government officials to deprive the press of their First Amendment rights and liberty and property interests with no notice or process based solely on the dislike of the content that they're reporting.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_22: And there's a complete hypocrisy taking place here.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_22: You had former President Barack Obama, I'll share with you the audio receipts coming up just after the top of the hour, who basically had done the same thing.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_22: I have clips recently from Democrats talking about restricting social media to keep individuals from accessing Trump because they don't want people supporting Trump.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_22: Now, J.D.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_22: Vance defended Trump's decision to bar CNN, MSNBC, and Politico from uh citing dishonest uh reporting.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_22: Again, the outlets are suing, arguing that it violates their First Amendment rights.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_22: Here's a bit of what uh JD Vance had to say yesterday on the subject.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think something to do with the premise.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_05: So he's not banning media outlets.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_05: What he's doing is saying we're not gonna give you special access to the White House if you engage in what is effectively propaganda.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_05: We have to remember those outlets, they can still afford people in the White House, they can still get the public affords, they can still afford public people in the administration and outside the administration.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_05: What the president is said is we're not gonna give these best folks access inside the White House.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_05: The way that I think about it is if you go back to the Biden administration or the President.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_22: We'll have more from JD Evance to share with you, actually coming up in just a moment on a different subject, but I have more from JD Vance to uh dive into coming up uh after uh seven o'clock uh this morning.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_22: In the meantime, let's go to the uh blaster line, and Mildred is up early this morning.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_23: Hey, mornings there from Brainerd.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_23: Well, well, well.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_23: Trump now is a state-sponsored government television broadcast.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_23: Another thing a popular dictator did in history.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_22: Let me pause it.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_22: Let me pause it here.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_22: What Mildred is referring to is the White House launched Trump TV.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_22: It's a 24-7 YouTube stream following President uh Trump's ban on reporters from CNN, Politico, and MS.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_22: Now, the launch was criticized as state-run media, so Mildred's just picking up on other individuals' talking points because uh she doesn't have an original thought in her brain.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_22: California Governor Gavin Newsom called it autocratic behavior.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_22: The banned outlets, as we mentioned, filed suit.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_22: Now, the video that launched on the stream was of Trump speaking at Mount Rushmore on July 3rd as part of the live stream titled Trump TV, The Essential The Essentials Station.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_22: The White House used a similar description on social media, uh, but added, not every big moment has made it on your TV.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_22: Now it can watch the Trump administration's biggest of moments all in one place.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_22: Read the stream's description on YouTube at top videos, major remarks, and must-see highlights 24-7 and updated in real time.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_22: Stay informed and up to date.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_22: Here's a difference.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_22: Um, this is a uh 24-7 YouTube streaming show.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_22: This is not state-sponsored government television being forced upon networks.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_22: There's a massive, massive difference here.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_22: But of course, for those who can't come up with their own original thoughts and have to pull their talking points from whatever left-wing media outlet they are watching, you know, the ones that get banned by President Donald Trump?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_22: The comments here from Mildred are unexpected.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_23: Right, Scott.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_23: Will your wife Melissa be watching this all day to correct?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_22: Who's Melissa?
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_22: Mildred, who's Melissa?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_23: If you say something that obsesses fascist, pedophile dictator.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_23: Pretty pathetic to see Fox News and other news organizations banning.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_23: Together against this.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_23: But they're patriots that aren't going along with the narrative.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_23: You are though, boot licking thugs.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_23: Have a great day, everyone.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_22: It's so sad.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_22: Not a single comment on their own.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_22: Not an original thought to be found.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_22: JD Vance had a slip of the tongue yesterday, so maybe, you know, audio like this and video like this can be some of the subject matter and some of the content that they can now have on Trump's uh White House uh TV.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_05: And because we need somebody who will fight back against the far left, we need Michael Little in the United States.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_05: Now you may not have even heard them, but I'm actually I usually don't listen to these.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: So the three news who will accuse me of bad language and fundamental the far left.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_05: I'm linked to call them the far left.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: We're not done with Roy Cooper's record, ladies and gentlemen.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, I wonder if that'll make the highlight real when it comes to Trump uh Trump TV.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_22: I also appreciate what Trump is doing with Trump TV.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_22: You can go and decide what it is that you want to watch and what you don't want to watch.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_22: But in the midst of Trump having every right to go and keep the media from having special access, that's what this is.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_22: There are still opportunities to do interviews.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_22: There are still opportunities to take questions from the press.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_22: It happened yesterday, which really immediately aged all of the frothing at the mouth commentators like Anna Navarro on The View yesterday, who was touting the same unoriginal Fonse's foe of the show Mildred.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_22: This is what dictators do.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_22: And then immediately followed by a press conference with Trump with Zohan Momdani of all people actually saying that Zoran Momdani could be a good mayor of New York.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_22: Like you couldn't have script, you couldn't have scripted the nonsense any better and the hypocrisy any better if you had tried.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_37: Oh Mildred, it's too early in the morning.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_37: But I gotta beg the question.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_37: Are you intentionally stupid or does it just come naturally?
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, that's um we should do a poll.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_22: Listen, I appreciate the fact that Mildred goes and leaves comments.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_22: I just wish that they would, again, have some original thought about besides the racist pedophile, Epstein, Iran war over and over and over again.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_22: Let's hear from another friend of the show.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_10: Good morning, John.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_10: Rich here.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_10: So Eric from Brainerd or Mildred or Mildred or whatever your name is.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_10: Um, how are we supposed to give you any type of credibility when you gotta disguise your voice?
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_10: And if you're really a female, is that an inferior complex on gender that you have that you have to use a male voice?
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_10: It's really disheartening that you're that weak-minded.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_24: See?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_24: This is what I'm talking about.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_22: Original thoughts versus non-original thoughts.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you for that, uh, Rich.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_22: It's always great to uh to hear from you.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_22: All right, let's um switch gears just briefly.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_22: Our guest is uh making her way to the comfy sofa here in the center of the American Experiment Studios, and we'll be talking with her uh shortly.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_22: Um there was some breaking news yesterday uh from a very, very well-known uh TV mov uh TV commentator locally, and I'll share with you the details on that in a second.
• 25:52
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• 26:02
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• 26:51
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• 26:57
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• 27:00
  SPEAKER_22: All right, let's go here to the blaster line.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, John.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_11: I'm here.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_11: Hey, I fired up X to tune into the show, and uh Clay Travis is on my feed uh for no particular reason.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_11: Uh, but he's just saying that uh the Jana Shortall thing lost his show.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_11: Is that true?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_11: Have a great day.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_22: Yes, uh Janna Shortl did uh lose uh her show.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_22: Although I'm gonna bring forward probably an unpopular take on this based off of what I've seen online.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_22: First off, I have audio of Janna to share because this is typical commentary that you would get from Kara Levin's Janice Shortall.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_22: I uh I had this last week and I didn't play it.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_22: Um so I grabbed it in the sake of how uh Janice Shortall's uh is moving off of TV to streaming only.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_22: And again, my take on this as somebody who just went through something very similar is going to be different than I think what most people's uh take are.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_22: Uh first off, uh last week Janna Shortall was apparently very bothered after star quarterback uh Arch Manning joked about an AI video of coach Steve Um Sarka uh Sarkassian.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_22: Am I saying that right?
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_22: Sarkeesian.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_22: Sarkeesian, thank you.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_22: Oh got the sports continuity director in here.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_22: Thank goodness.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_22: Sarkesian.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_22: Sarkeesian?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_22: Sarkeesian.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_22: I'm just gonna have you say it.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_22: So when I point to you, you just say it.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_22: So anyway, um, the video of this coach was slapping reporter uh Holly Rowe.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_22: Uh it was an AI video.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_22: Janet got very upset, posted a comment online, and it went like this.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_36: Sports journalist Holly Rowe, in my opinion, is as good as they get in this business.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_36: She always takes the high road when the majority of us maybe wouldn't.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_36: This time she's done it with the classy acceptance of an apology from University of Texas quarterback Arch Manning, who this weekend had a good laugh with the boys at a press conference when he was referring to an AI generated video of his head coach violently slapping Holly Row in the face.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_36: Here's what he said.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_36: Arch apologizing is the right thing to do, and he did it.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_36: The reporter who posted the video calling it gold has apologized as well.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_36: But the other reporters and the University of Texas staff who you heard laughing through that entire exchange, well, that's also a huge issue, and we haven't seen any apologies there.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_36: Because if it's about protecting women and sports, it's best those guys speak up and say sorry.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_22: It's just humor.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_22: Nobody got hurt, and it's not an endorsement of anybody getting hurt.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_22: I wonder what Janice Shortall's thoughts were on like the uh the jackass movies, just out of care.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, people actually went and got got hurt.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_22: Now, that being said, I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_22: This specific clip that I shared with you, but CarLeven and their weekday news analysis show, hosted by Janice Shortal, is leaving the Twin Cities TV and moving to streaming only.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_22: The Car Eleven owner announced this on Monday.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_22: Janice Shortall gave a very teary-eyed uh sign-off of the television.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_22: It's been running for more than 10 years after the 6 p.m.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_22: Nightly news broadcast, moving to a new home exclusively on the station streaming programs.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_22: Um they say the move reflects Car Eleven's broader strategy to offer more live local content on connected TVs, streaming apps, and mobile.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_22: In a press release, Car Eleven says the station now produces 18 hours of original streaming content each week, and its watch time has doubled in the past year.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_22: Our original programming is reaching new audiences through streaming in ways we couldn't have imagined.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_22: We saw a 104% increase in streaming minutes watched in 2025 and were on track to beat it this year.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_22: Now, there were a lot of people that were online celebrating this move, and I get it.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_22: Um, but this is where we deploy the uh the two truths logic, right?
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_22: Two things can be true at once.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_22: One, you don't have to appreciate Janna Schordal's commentary, right?
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_22: She's a she's a leftist, right?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_22: And you can argue a radical leftist and shares her views, but it's also an opinion-based show.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, but at the same time, you know, she's been on the show for on this station in this spot for 10 years.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_22: She has a fan base, and she's moving off to streaming.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_22: It may or may not be even because of ratings.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_22: There are massive changing of dynamics when it comes to media.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_22: I just went through it myself as radio is racing to the bottom.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_22: You know, one has to wonder was she attached to a massive salary and Kara Levin needed to cut back, and therefore she's taking a pay cut to go to streaming.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_22: This might be just a means to do what I had expected to do and why I'm here at American Experiment, because I'm of the opinion that this is where it's all heading.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_22: I think terrestrial TV and radio is falling by the wayside.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_22: And this may be Kara Levin's attempt to, all right, we're going to continue to go and grow our streaming by putting Jana on streaming.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_22: I get it.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_22: It's a demotion.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_22: Of course it is, right?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_22: I wasn't happy when my previous employer let me go.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_22: I'm much happier now than I was in my previous employer.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_22: But I'm not ready to go and dunk on all of this because a lot of this could just be a changing of dynamics that has nothing to do with her popularity or perhaps lack thereof.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_22: Again, two things can be true at once.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_22: You don't have to agree with her policies, but at the same time, you can understand that this could be changing dynamics of the media.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_22: And 10 years from now, the media landscape, TV and TV and radio, is gonna look nothing like it does at the at the moment.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_22: Just watch.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_22: All right.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_22: Um, a few more comments, and then we're gonna go right to our guest uh this morning.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_22: I want to squeak uh some of these in on the blaster line.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_22: 651-964-0294.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_06: Hey, you have to leave the Taylor Swift meme that says Mildred when Eric leaves a post on the John Justice show.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you for that.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_09: Hey, Tony from Red Wing here.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Mildred, Eric, racist Rose, whoever you are, you're just a gutless, useful idiot.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_09: That's all you are.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_09: I know you call in here thinking, I'm going to John Justice this time, but you never do because you don't have any original thought, just like John said.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_10: That's right.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_09: So I don't even know what to do with you, but yeah, that pretty much says it.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_22: I don't know what to do with you, but thank you so much for the comments.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_22: We'll get back to more of these coming up a little bit uh later on.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_22: Right now, I want to welcome in to the show.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_22: And Callie, I'm gonna have to let you sort of figure out what title to bestow upon you.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_22: So you've been a guest on my show before, not in this iteration, but welcome to the show.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, you've been on the American Experiment podcast.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_22: I believe you've written for us as well, and you write for the uh for the Minneapolis Times.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_22: But how would you describe yourself in your in your bio on X, Cali Proctor?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_30: Uh oh gosh.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_30: Well, um, I think I call myself like a cultural commentator unintentionally.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_30: So I don't know.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_22: That works.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_22: Cultural commentator, Cali Pro Callie Proctor.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_22: Well, thank you so much for coming in early this morning.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_22: I greatly uh greatly appreciate it.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, thanks for having me.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_22: This was a um, this was a roller coaster of a piece that you wrote for the Minneapolis Times, the harm reduction industrial complex.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_22: Um, I want to say up front, I really appreciate your writing style because as I was working through it, like all of the questions that were popping into my mind based off of your commentary within a matter of a few sentences, it's like you were also asking those questions and seeking the answers as as well.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_22: I encourage everybody to head on over to the Minneapolis Times and check out this article for themselves.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_22: But um, let's start back at the beginning.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_22: Um, the harm reduction industrial complex.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_22: Harm reduction can save lives, you write in the uh subheadline.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_22: But when survival becomes the end point, the system risks losing sight of recovery and of the harm addiction inflicts on everyone nearby.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_22: Um, what was the starting point for you writing this uh this piece?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_30: Well, I've been wanting to kind of explore this topic for a really long time because I've, you know, I've told you before I worked, you know, for quite a long time in human services and kind of just, you know, people with disabilities and people experiencing homelessness and that kind of whole realm um and harm reduction has been wrapped into all of that.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_30: Um but um it has gotten more and more radical over the years.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_30: And I kind of write about this in the in the essay.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_30: Like there were lots of parts of it that I was like, okay, this is good, you know, like I could see this working.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_30: Um and examples of that too.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_30: But then over the years, it's just it has really to me like gone off the rails in a way that like I feel like you can't call it harm reduction anymore, honestly.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_30: Um, so yeah, and I just and I I get like the whole thing is is anecdotal, like it's all my experience.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_30: And people are like, well, this is just her experience.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_30: But I feel like there's value in that, especially for people who like have no idea, you know, and they're not working in that world.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_30: I think it's valuable to hear those examples, you know, versus a bunch of numbers or something about what works and what doesn't work.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_30: I think sometimes it helps to hear like some really crazy stuff.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_22: Well, I'll tell you, um, as somebody that has talked about these issues before, just in the time that I spent with your article, uh, I had my own personal mind shift.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_22: Um, not having been involved in any sort of harm reduction efforts at all, just reading the stories online of handing out clean needles to individuals.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_22: But, you know, but by example, you know, I have, I mean, I still do to a certain extent, and we'll get into this, you know, I have a negative reaction to doing that.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_22: Like, why are we enabling individuals to go and continue this addictive lifestyle?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_22: But what you point out in this piece, um, again, was a really good opportunity and a learning lesson for lesson for me as a host to go, okay, let's get into what the actual intent here is.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_22: Because I think often, and and again, I'll throw myself under the bus on this.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_22: Often, you you know, commentators do just go and take a very blanket stance.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_22: We shouldn't do this at all.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_22: Why are we enabling these individuals to do it?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_22: And it's not that simple.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_22: And the people that are trying to attempt the the harm reduction aren't necessarily they may not agree with us, you know, politically or ideology, you know, or ideologies, but they're not bad people.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_22: They're genuinely wanting to, wanting to help.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_30: Oh, yeah, I totally agree.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_30: And I appreciate so much that you like actually read it and we're like, oh, okay, well, like, yeah, I I see that there are some because okay, even the the people who read, I think like the the people who are, you know, in my opinion, like very radical, they automatically think that I am like a naysayer and I'm like and harm reduction now.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_30: And they maybe didn't read the whole thing.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_30: I don't know.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_30: Because that's absolutely not what I'm saying at all.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_30: And that, you know, so it's like you can never please everyone.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_30: Like I'm either like not radical enough or I'm, you know, too radical for people who are like giving out clean needles is bad.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_30: And I get I get both the sides of it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_30: I really do.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_30: But you're right, the intention is like, you know, engaging those people, you know, who are falling off, you know, who are you genuinely marginalized.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_30: Like those are the people who we're talking about here who like can't establish medical care.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_30: And I think I said that too, like sometimes it, you know, keeping someone alive like is kind of all that you can do.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_30: However, I don't, I think that it's gotten to the point where that, like, you know, keeping people where they're at um has been has become the end goal.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_30: And we're kind of like forgetting to see, you know, what a person can become, or maybe, you know, like in genuinely like looking at um in terms of this very uh kind of elastic term of human dignity, which has become a really buzzword in like the social services world that I don't really like.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_30: Um sorry, I'm kind of going on and on, but like I just I I'm just curious, you know, like when you think about the human dignity of the person, like, do you think about someone who is, you know, folded over on fentanyl?
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_30: Do you think about someone who's like stumbling through an intersection with his pants down?
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_30: Probably not, you know, and someone would say, well, you're oversimplifying it.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_30: And that's true.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_30: I am, but I don't I think there's so many other elements of this like human dignity and compassion thing that we're kind of like not considering.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_22: Let's let's back up and and sort of re-establish a baseline here.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_22: So when we're talking about harm reduction, what have you been uh personally involved in?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_22: You chronicled this in the article, but for those that haven't read it, give us the sort of synopsis of of your experience and to the per, let's just say for the person listening, going, I'm not sure what you're talking about when it comes to harm reduction in and of itself.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_22: So let's just start at that baseline.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_30: Oh my gosh, good idea.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_30: Okay, so so harm reduction in general, we're just talking about this idea of like meeting a person where they're at.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_30: So that means that like someone doesn't have to earn dignity, they don't have to earn the basics of life, you know, like food and clothing and shelter and all that.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and it doesn't mean that you're like, you know, that someone needs to be sober essentially to get those things or to, you know, have access to those things.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_30: So that's kind of the basic idea.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_30: Um, like I said, it's gotten a little bit more radical since, you know, that kind of like basic definition has been established, um, as a lot of people have seen, you know, with the needles and stuff like you talked about.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and then my experience with that has been kind of um a varied, it's you know, working in outreach.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and then to be perfectly honest, a lot of this, as I kind of saw the radicalization of this stuff, especially within like the world of homelessness, I sort of intentionally like backed away from really um directly doing outreach because I didn't feel right about it, I guess, you know, like but just on like a very like personal basis.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_30: Like I, you know, I have a real heart for working with um marginalized people and um people who are struggling with homelessness and addiction.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_30: However, you know, it can be really hard to kind of balance what is popular in like the that arena with sometimes like your personal feelings and values and faith or whatever.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_30: And like, you know, do I do I feel right about handing a woman who's eight months pregnant needles to inject drugs?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_30: No, I don't really feel good about that.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_30: So anyway, so I kind of separated myself from that and sort of working more like a little bit more like administratively.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_22: It's interesting to me because there's no answer here.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_22: That's the problem.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_22: Because there is no there is no good, there is no good answer.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_22: Um, you know, it it is the quintessential there's a cause and effect to all of to all of this.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_22: Um, yes, you might be reducing harm for an individual who is addicted to drugs that they inject into their body by giving them clean needles, but the conundrum comes in, it's like, okay, you're doing that, but you're nothing is happening to get that person clean and essentially they're still on the fast track to their own demise.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_22: So it's a it's like a balancing act.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_22: And I I I I personally couldn't do it.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, just because there's no there is no good unless you're able to get somebody clean and get them off the drugs um and instead you're taking a stance of the expectation is they're not gonna get clean and they're not gonna get off the drugs.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_22: So let's reduce the harm to them in this period of time.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_22: It's it's grim.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_22: It's grim when you when when you kind of look at it that way.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_22: And that was the perspective shift for me as I was reading it, thinking about the individuals who are involved in this and how that must be difficult for people who do want to genuinely help individuals, and I would hope also have an understanding that yeah, you are helping temporarily at least, but the end outcome is still gonna end up being disastrous, essentially.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, it is you're right, it is very grim.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_30: I was I've no I've never thought about that.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_30: Well, I think you can see that.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, just like with the people who work in that job, honestly, like that's kind of a whole separate conversation.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_30: Um, but I think yes, like, and to me, the biggest issue I have with it is really is not like what is like we're doing it wrong, like we have.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_30: To find the perfect answer because I honestly don't know what it is.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_30: But it's it's really like the kind of like it's like the philosophy that has that and like the um the kind of like um what's the word?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_30: Like there's like a moral framework around it now that has grown.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_30: And I don't like it because it has almost become the vibe has become like anti-recovery.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_30: And I'm not saying that like that that's like what's being promoted, like we're you know, we're saying here it's it's bad to go to recovery or go into recovery, or it's bad to go to treatment or something.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_30: That's not what I'm saying.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_30: I'm saying there is like a tone of that, like that it's almost better to do this.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_30: It's like um, it's like um, it's kind of almost like frowned upon sometimes to as like if you're a provider to encourage someone to go to treatment, it's kind of a taboo thing.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_30: Like you're not supposed to say it anymore.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_30: You're not supposed to suggest it.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_30: If someone happens to come to that conclusion on their own.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_22: Have you seen that have you seen that change for sure firsthand?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_22: Well, that seems to coincide talking with Callie Proctor and again the article available at on uh the uh Minneapolis uh Times, a harm reduct the harm reduction industrial complex.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_22: Um, that seems to be the narrative that's formed of the lack of accountability that we have in society right now, of individuals are um to be forgiven, or there are people that are advocating for it's not your fault, it's not your problem.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_22: Who are we to go and vilify or demonize you if this is the choice and decision that you've made in your life, even if it means harming harming yourself?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_22: So it seems as if it's almost a societal shift that we've seen in terms of the commentary of the day within the social sphere that's it sounds like having a negative impact on um harm reduction for individuals dealing with addictive issues.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, and I think you're definitely right.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_30: It's all connected.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_30: And it's not like I want to vilify anyone who's experiencing addiction or having a hard time in life.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_30: Like it's not, you know, I don't think anyone is saying that, but I think it's it's you're right.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_30: It's like it's all kind of connected in like what's kind of happening with within our culture in terms of like we're really embracing, we're really embracing a lot of dark stuff.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_30: Like we're embracing this victim mindset, like um, and it makes it hard if you are it, it makes it, it makes it hard for everyone, I think.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_30: But like if you're a person who's having a hard time, if you're a person who is very like bogged down in life with um, you know, generational trauma and poverty and addiction and mental illness, all this stuff.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_30: And then you're kind of inundated with this idea that like, first of all, you know, you don't have to have any accountability.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_30: Second of all, all of these things are happening because of like external factors, like the world around you is just like too hard, systemic issues, like everyone sucks and everyone is racist and everyone is like keeping you down.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_30: And then it, you know, and reinforces that idea that like you don't have to, you know, it's all it's all happening to you.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and then on top of it, then there's people like like me and others who I've I've met who kind of want to, you know, want to like we have this idea of that it's it's we want to lift people up, you know, we want to like lift people out of those issues.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_30: Um, but then that is perceived as this like naive sort of like silly white savior girl, like you're ridiculous, stay over here, like let the real, like gritty, you know, like red eyeliner, septum piercing carhart girls like do the job, you know.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_30: And I'm just like, okay, I'll just hang back, you know.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_22: Let's go to the uh blaster line, 651-964-0294 as we continue our conversation um with social commentator Callie uh Proctor here on The John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_39: Good morning, John and Callie.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_39: Um thanks for having Kelly on.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_39: I completely understand that kind of compassion and meeting people where they are.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_39: My concern with that is, you know, I'm I'm concerned it's gonna head down the path of the word equity, which in my opinion um doesn't give enough personal responsibility to the to the person who's getting the quote unquote equity.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_39: It it shouldn't be an excuse.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_39: And I I get it, substance abuse of any kind is, you know, a different animal than someone who's just you know just can't find a way to get to work.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_39: But you know, that's what I'm concerned about with this, that it will very easily be taken down the path of the word equity.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_39: And then some people have more expected of them than other people.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_24: Uh any thought any thoughts on uh on the uh on the listeners' comments there, uh Kelly Proctor?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, well, I'm kind of curious.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_30: I wish I could ask her more questions about what she means by uh equity.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, I'm kind of wondering like what like with that last thing that she said, like like who is she, like what groups is she talking about?
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_30: You know what I mean?
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_30: I'm not I'm not totally sure.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of with you.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_22: I'm I'm I'm kind of with you on on that.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_22: I I I I understand what her concern is, but there's a lot of different concerns that you know that we've been discussing regarding this, and I'm not I'm also not 100% sure how the equity part fits it, fits it.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_22: Leave another blast and clarify if you don't mind.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_22: Um I want to work through a couple of pieces in your in your article.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_22: You towards the beginning, you talk about an individual who is dealing with um alcohol issues.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_22: You write, um, simply telling him to get sober isn't a as in a housing plan.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_22: You describe this the circle, the cycle that this individual is going through in their in their addiction.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_22: Um helping him find permanent housing where he could continue drinking with a representative payee protecting his income, could keep him off the streets, protect him from people who have preyed upon him when he was drunk, and slow the costly carousel through emergency rooms, detox, police encounters, and jail.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_22: He'd probably still drink.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_22: We weren't solving his addiction, but we could reduce some of the dangers that came with it.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_22: You said that version of harm reduction made sense to me.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_22: What I didn't understand was how elastic the word harm could become.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, this goes back to what I mentioned a moment ago, Callie Proctor, that this is the moral struggle of the framework of what you of what you were describing.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, in this particular instance, I mean, this was like years ago, not I mean, really not like, I don't know, maybe like eight years ago or something that I remember this individual.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and so and things have changed drastically from what I've seen, um, just in terms of like the attitudes around what we're talking about here.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_30: But like, yeah, so if you're, I don't know, I live downtown.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_30: So, you know, I see this.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_30: If you're, you know, if you're downtown or if you're in a city, like you you'll see this, you know, you see people who are, or if you ride the train ever, you see people who are sleeping on the train.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_30: It, it, it does, it does make sense in this particular way.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_30: Okay.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_30: So think about, you know, it would be great if that person is not sleeping on the train.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_30: And then it would be great if that person who is likely on Medicaid or doesn't have insurance at all, if he's outside and he's not connected to medical care, it's possible he doesn't have insurance.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_30: So he's going in and out of the emergency room constantly, not only because he's getting injured, but because he just doesn't have a place to sleep when it's cold.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_30: So he's utilizing, you know, it's lots of money that, you know, to just use use the ER constantly and emergency rooms and detox.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_30: And then on top of it, this person likely has a you know list of hundreds of criminal violations.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_30: And I'm I'm sorry to like always bring it back to money, but like that's a for a lot of people, like that's a big deal.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_30: And so those charges, and he's never gonna take care of any of those, never gonna show up to court, never going to, you know, rectify any of that.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_30: And those charges are always going to be things like trespassing on the train, trespassing on the bus, open bottle, you know, sleeping in a lobby somewhere, very minor things that really could be rectified if he had a place to live.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_30: And so and that's not always the case.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_30: It is not always the case, but I'm talking about if, you know, with this person, and it is a it is a common theme.
• 52:30
  SPEAKER_30: So then it kind of takes care of all these things.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_30: It takes care of the public safety issue, it takes care of the public health issue, and it takes care of this, you know, the the medical in um the medical debt stuff.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_30: So I don't know.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_30: Like that, yes, I agree with that for sure.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_22: Was there a shift in the time that you were working to now?
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_22: You mentioned it uh uh a bit at the start of our conversation regarding um the lack of accountability of the individuals and how it kind of shifted.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_22: Was there previously more of an advocacy to get people clean?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_22: And has that shifted or has it always been just the harm reduction aspect and the the part of it where we're continuing to enable people has only just gotten worse?
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_22: Or had was it before, no, we're actually gonna try to do more to get people clean and now we're not doing that anymore?
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_30: I think there was, I think there was definitely a shift.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_30: And I've I well, and like my I don't know, my perspective is really over like the last five to ten years, but even just in that time, I just saw such a huge change in and also just things that suddenly, you know, you weren't really allowed to ask and you and were not okay to say anymore.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_30: And I mean, even just the the shift of like, okay, just you know, you start working with somebody and on like a form, you know, you're filling out questions or you're asking them questions.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_30: And one of the questions would always be um about treatment, you know, are you interested?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_30: If you know, maybe you're filling out like a housing form or something.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_30: Sure.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_30: So you you would always ask the person, you know, are you are you using?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_30: Are you do you have these addiction struggles?
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and are you interested in treatment?
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_30: Those some form of those questions would always be there.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and just seeing that shift to where those questions were, it's like it's like they people wanted to ask them, but you had to figure out a way to like find out how to add it.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_22: To make it to make it more nuanced so you weren't asking them specifically.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_30: Yes, exactly.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_30: So it even just things like that, and just that um idea, and I kind of talk about this in the essay too.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_30: Like, and that's another one of the things I struggle with is the babies.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_30: Like, whether the babies are in utero or whether the babies are in the home, like they are for whatever reason, just kind of like not considered anymore.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_30: And I'm saying that as like a super blanket statement, and I'm like, I get very emotional about it, so I get a little bit like that.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, no, but we see we've seen that in commentary, you know, over the course of the past few weeks.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_22: This has become now a theme among individuals.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_22: Yes.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_22: To we've moved on from a, and I'll just describe it this way, a disrespect of the unborn to a disrespect of the born.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_22: So it doesn't surprise me at all that we are seeing the same type of mentality filter into harm reduction attempts relating to women who are either carrying a child or have already given birth to a child.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_22: Again, it's an extension of what we're seeing in society, and it's not good.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_30: Well, yeah, and I guess you can't really deny deny that right now, everything that's going on.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, you know what I'm talking about.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_30: But like, yeah, and that was another shift, like that it was, I think years ago, if someone were um were pregnant and using, there would have been some kind of more concerted like intervention or at least a conversation.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_30: And it has changed to where it's the the focus is so is so much more on the on the adult, you know, on the the um the pregnant woman, um that it is kind of taboo to bring up, you know, even like the fact that she's carrying a child.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_30: And that I think that has changed.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_22: It shouldn't be that way.
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_22: It shouldn't be that way.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_22: Um, I want to add a couple of details, or I want to add in a little bit more from your piece here to give some people an understanding of what this harm reduction goes to.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_22: And um, it's easier to do this now with this show than it was when I was on terrestrial radio, but just a bit of a warning.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_22: Things get a little graphic here.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_22: Um, you write in you write that you sat through instruction on how to advise people about injecting drugs into their genitals when other veins were no longer usable.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, I was encouraged uh to hand out educational materials explaining how to administer drugs rectally and how to do it more safely.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_22: These weren't grassroots efforts from uh run from someone's trunk.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_22: The money was real, going back to the money aspect, Callie.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, entire departments had grown around the work with dedicated staff and directors often earning$100,000 a year.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_22: Listen, that sounds for as bizarre as it sounds, that sounds more like advocacy for using drugs than it does any sort of harm reduction at all.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, and again, this is the problem with and the issue with this is that there's a this delicate balance between, okay, are we offering individuals clean needles or are we actually going and showing them how to do safer, how to conduct their drug activity and addiction safer to these lengths?
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, that's really disturbing to me.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_24: Yeah.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_24: I can't imagine what it was like for you going through, you know, having to see this instruction.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_24: I mean, how were you conflicted when you were seeing this?
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, oh, for sure.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_30: I I really struggled with this stuff.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_30: I really did.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_30: And my attitudes about it have shifted over the years.
• 57:59
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, I've I, you know, have gotten a little bit more conservative about things like this.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_30: But even back then, I was like, yeah, I'm not really on board with this, I don't think.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_30: But you know, you kind of have to play, oh, thank you.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_30: This is such, you know, good material.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_30: Thank you so much.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_22: Put on it, put on a brave face.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_30: And yeah, and I and then I'm just, or people will hand you, you know, a like a box of something to hand out to somebody.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_30: And I'm just thinking, like, I know, I don't, I'm not, I am never going to have that conversation with someone.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_30: Right.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_30: And there are people out there who will, um, but it's that is not my journey.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_30: And anyway, sorry, I kind of lost my train of things.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_22: No, it's okay.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_22: Let me let me go to this talk back here.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_22: Let me go to this uh to this uh blast that rolled in because um he makes an interesting point while uh you know getting his his opinion of our conversation this morning on the show.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_20: Um I'm very confused with this whole article.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_20: Like are we saying instead of wanting these people to get clean and be accountable for their choices?
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_20: Are we now saying give them free housing, give them free food, give them free Medicare, and then just let them kill themselves a little slower or a little more comfortably, is like is that what we've moved to now?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_22: Before Callie, before you comment, let me let me let me cut let me comment on this first.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_22: This um is a really good example of the confusion of the issue.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_22: That's the problem.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_22: Um that's the eye-opening aspect of this.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_22: And this is one of those topics that perhaps doesn't make for great talk radio because there's not a solution to this.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_22: That's the takeaway that I had.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_22: Like initially, when I would look at at stories regarding, and specifically, usually it's the syringe programs and all that, um, I would, you know, criticize them.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_22: Why are we enabling individuals to do this?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_22: However, you cannot ignore, and that's the takeaway that I got from your piece.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_22: You cannot ignore this conflict within how do we treat each other's each each other as human beings?
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_22: How do we treat each other with dignity?
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_22: And is there any way to go and help an addict and still maintain their dignity without going and having them be in a position where they could attention, you know, uh unintentionally go and end their life early.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_22: It is a very difficult thing to try to get to the heart of.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_22: And and I think and I think Victor's confusion speaks to that, to that, very, to that very point.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_30: It is.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_30: It's a very nuanced thing.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_30: I mean, not for everyone.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_30: Some people are just like, these programs are ridiculous and they are a waste of money, and we shouldn't be doing them.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_30: And I understand that point of view.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_30: Um, but and well, and I wasn't speaking about, I think the person met Medicaid in his comment.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_30: Um, I wasn't speaking about Medicaid, I wasn't speaking about free housing or food or anything like that.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_22: Or just providing an example of some way that an individual could be helped in that in that moment without getting into the mechanism of how that person could be helped.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, and I and I guess I have worked in those those realms, but that's you know, we're kind of focusing on harm reduction here.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_30: And no, that's not what I'm saying, is that everyone should be uh have access to all that stuff all the time.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_30: But I do think it's a little bit more nuanced than a lot of people think.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_30: Um, and that's how I think the individual examples do help.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_30: But I will say when you're talking about like solutions, you know, I don't know what the solutions are, but I think there are some important things to consider.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_30: So, like when you were talking about those kind of more like graphic examples, and people might be like, Why would you write that stuff?
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_30: And why would you, why do you feel the need to talk about that?
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_30: Well, it's because a lot of people just don't know what's going on.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_30: And a while ago, my husband was um, he knows a woman from one of his leagues, and she's like in her 60s, and she was talking about how she just went to this gala for this homeless organization in the cities.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_30: And he was familiar with it because of me and things that I've, you know, talked to him about.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_30: And he's very, he's quite a bit more critical of all this stuff than I am and more skeptical.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_30: And um, she said, Well, we went to this gala, that's our preferred organization to donate to.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_30: We donate there every year and they have money to donate.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_30: And he said, Well, just out of curiosity, did you know that they do these things?
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_30: You know, these kind of the needle program and the give out the, you know, the syringes and the cookers and the pipes and all this stuff.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_30: And she was like aghast.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_30: Like she had no clue that this organization was doing all that stuff.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_30: And it was a major part of their programming.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_30: Yet she and her husband had been giving significant amounts of money to this organization for that programming for years.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_30: So, just kind of a random example, but I think it speaks to the fact that like people don't know.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_30: So, one just you know, kind of tip like just ask.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_30: Like, ask where exactly is my money going to?
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, you know, and also with state dollars, like some organizations, you know, are privately funded, but a lot of it's not, you know.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_30: Ask MDH like what exactly does this money go toward?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_30: I like what does it look like on the ground level?
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_30: I think that's a very reasonable question.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_22: You uh you write in your piece.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_22: What had once sounded to me like a simple public health philosophy had become something closer to harm reduction industrial complex, hence the title of your piece.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_22: Grant funded positions, conferences, trainings, travel supplies, client incentives, and a professional language and a moral framework that increasingly shaped how addiction itself was understood.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_22: At some point, I started asking a question that seemingly uh that seemed increasingly unwelcome.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_22: Where exactly is the line between reducing the harm caused by drug use and helping someone use drugs?
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_22: When you were involved in this, and I know you I've got to let you go here in a bit to get to your job, but when you were involved in the harm reduction, um, were you working for a government program or was this a private, a private entity?
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_30: Um, it was a combination of for-profits and nonprofits, never a government, never like the state or anything.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_22: Okay.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, I was just wondering because I know we see it in the homeless situation where you have advocacy groups operating independently that I believe do a much better job of outreach when it comes to homeless than the government programs do, because they end up becoming corrupted.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_22: And I was curious if there was any sort of parallels with the harm reduction efforts.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_22: But it sounds like what you were mentioning was more of a more of a combination in terms of the funding involved and who was involved.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_30: Well, yeah, I mean, but organizations, they nonprofits, they'll, you know, they get typically get a combination of, you know, private, private funding and state funding.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_30: So I mean, I think it's always a, you know, I think it's always valid to wonder like where is the money coming from.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_30: And I guess another thing is that um kind of part, you know, something that came out of all of this and just this like, you know, I can't do this sort of like it's it's it's too hard for me to compromise these things.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_30: And but I still want to work with people was um my husband and I started our own nonprofit with the hope of kind of, you know, serving people in the way that we want to and that we feel like is helpful.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_30: And you know, everyone says, like, well, there's no solution, but like in our minds, like what from what we had seen, the solution for us was that the other, like we wanted to provide services where it was not, it was, it was reciprocal, like the other person was ready, you know.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_30: So that was like our model.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_30: And not that that's like a perfect model or anything, but we felt like if, you know, as like a small organization, if we could.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_30: kind of like you know more like hand pick these people on like a really like a small individualized like yes this person is ready wants to do these things we are so willing to help like that was like our our answer to you know it was just it was but like you know the state larger organizations they can't really do that I guess so but that was our solution I would say what are you hoping that people take away from from this uh article available at the Minneapolis Times at the end of the day well I think kind of maybe what you took away from it you know like if you're if you're skeptical if you're like you know all of this is bad you know the I see the needles and I see the problems um and I see the you know the people in the encampments and on fentanyl and stuff and all that and you're just like it's um it's it's good or bad it's helpful or it's not um you know there's a little bit more to it maybe I would say or if you're maybe on the other side of it where you're like yes like let's give everybody all the things um maybe let's slow down a little bit let me let me conclude with this question I'm gonna get to some uh some of the blaster line comments that have come in I know that you've got to uh to get to to work but I I want to ask you this question and I'm curious if you I you may not have an answer uh it's a simple one though do you think that there's more harm being done than good or more good being done than than than harm in these programs in your experience?
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_30: I think it I think it really depends specifically on the organization.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_30: I think even it even down to like the person like the provider the case manager I think it is I think it's a very individualized thing.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_30: I think a lot of the organizations it's kind of it's it's like a neutral thing.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_30: It's there's not it's it's not overarchingly good.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_30: I think there's a lot of good intention which so maybe you could say it's good.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_30: And I don't think it's like you know I don't think it's some certain aspects harmful I would say but that's why it's it's kind of sometimes I think it balances out and it's kind of just like a not really that helpful.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_30: And also yeah.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_22: Well it's one of the more I and and I'll be uh I'm gonna go through a little bit more of this coming up um but it's one of the more challenging pieces that I've gone through on the show in quite a long time because there's not there's not an easy answer to this and there is there is no one fix solution to this to this problem.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_22: And even for me personally uh it certainly is going to I'm I'm not kidding when I say that when I do commentary on issues like this, this was a real eye opener because it's not that simple.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_30: Well that's nice.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_30: If somebody calls in and has a perfect solution that would be awesome.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_22: That would be great.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_22: You can do that at 651 uh 964 0294 uh that is the blaster line you can also email john dot justice at americanexperiment dot uh dot org uh callie proctor anything uh that you would like to mention before i uh let you head off to work this morning no thanks so much for having me it was fun to talk about this yeah we'll have to get you in and and I know I've got you on my list for a Freedom Friday now that we have an open slot available so maybe we can swing you in being with us on a Friday one of these yeah I'd love to come in and talk about um how critical I am of men wearing shorts or something like that.
• 1:09:26
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah we get into the real this is the balance right we get into the real heavy stuff on a Tuesday just so we can really lighten the load come uh come Friday.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_22: So uh Callie Proctor, uh always great to see you.
• 1:09:36
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you so much for coming in studio this morning.
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_22: It was great to uh speak with you thank you.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_22: I do want to get to your thoughts uh from the blaster line coming up in just a moment and a few more points from uh Callie's piece as well and subsequently I have a a companion piece to this that kind of falls under the same lines.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_22: Uh Minnesota women are suing Planned Parenthood alleging that they underwent coerced abortions.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_22: It is a very fascinating look when you compare it to the arguments in favor of Lindsay Clancy and what uh she did to her uh children.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_22: So we're gonna dive into more of this then we're gonna turn our attention over to the election uh we'll talk about Trump uh halting the pool coverage and then um an interesting twist in a story that we brought you yesterday um the CEO of the Autism Center who was friends with Peggy Flanagan for a number of uh years also has a connection to another rather high profile uh individual who is uh running for uh office so we'll give you those uh details coming up here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment Hi I'm Joe Scott and I'm the only conservative on the Eastern Carver County Schools board I'm also the only incumbent who supports balanced budgets key performance indicators in our superintendent's contract and counting everyone's vote every time in school board elections our enrollment has been declining since 2018 and we lose 1300 of our resident students each year to neighboring districts I have solutions but the majority of the school board and administration are stuck in the status quo you can vote as early as Friday September 18th and I'd appreciate your support to learn more about me and how I stand on other school board issues visit reelectjoescott.com if you'd like to see our school district's Minnesota Comprehensive Assessment Proficiency Scores go to ECCS MCA scores dot com.
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  SPEAKER_19: Everybody's a winner everybody's equal everybody's great everybody's wonderful well that's just not the way society is there's winners and losers at times sometimes you win sometimes you lose but this mentality brings forth a mindset that if you don't agree with me I can get violent I can do whatever I can to either change your mind or fight against you.
• 1:13:33
  SPEAKER_19: And if I don't become number one if I don't get a trophy for everything that I do then I can cry I can whine and I can go on social media now and trash everything that the other side has to give that's what the indoctrination has done.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_19: That's what its purpose was and that's how the left has succeeded in doing it to this country.
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_22: In this piece by Callie Proctor I uh shared with you this quote uh earlier at some point I started asking a question that uh seemed increasingly unwelcome where exactly is the line between reducing harm caused by drug use and helping someone use drugs harm reduction advocates have a serious uh question uh has have a have a serious answer to that question uh people with severe addictions do not generally stop using because a social worker refuses to give them a clean syringe or a pipe withholding safer use supplies may therefore increase the risk of infection injury or death without preventing the use itself and Callie says I understood that argument I had worked within it but increasingly I wonder where it ended harm reduction made sense to me as a way of managing immediate danger somewhere along the way it seemed to become the end itself.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_22: I encountered a woman uh women who were visibly near the end of their pregnancy actively using dangerous drugs the response remain familiar provide safer use supplies maintain engagement avoid alienating the mother I understood the reasoning addiction doesn't disappear when someone becomes pregnant and shame can drive people away from medical care but by then my concern about children wasn't theoretical.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_22: Twice I met mothers whose infants had been exposed to fentanyl in their homes.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_22: Both babies overdosed and thankfully survived.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_22: Those experiences made it impossible for me to think about drug use only through the autonomy and safety of the adult using.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_22: So when I encountered pregnant women using drugs or children living in homes where dangerous drugs were present I found it increasingly difficult to accept a professional culture in which preserving engagement could seem to take precedent over expressing alarm.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_22: Years ago I met a tribal leader who gave me another way of thinking about the question.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_22: He was talking about what native children in his community carried with them to school.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_22: If the home was unstable, he explained if the instability didn't end when they walked out the door on the way to school they encountered people from their community profoundly intoxicated discarded needles and the visible consequences of addiction by the time they arrived at school they had put on armor.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_22: A teacher might spend six hours trying to penetrate that armor, convincing a child that his room was safe, that the adults could be trusted and that his future could look different.
• 1:16:21
  SPEAKER_22: So whose harm are we counting?
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_22: The person using the drugs matters does the child stepping over the syringe the pregnant woman struggling with addiction matters.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_22: So does the developing child she carries the intoxicated man on the train matters.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_22: So does the exhausted mother several seats away quietly deciding whether she should move her children to another car.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_22: And I think this is where parts of the harm reduction movement have lost their way.
• 1:16:50
  SPEAKER_22: At its best harm reduction contains a profound necessary truth human dignity isn't something we earn by behaving well sometimes the compassionate thing is to simply keep someone alive, reduce the immediate danger and refuse to give up on them.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_22: But a philosophy built around reducing harm ought to remain unusually interested in two questions.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_22: What harm are we reducing and what other harms might we be creating, tolerating or simply refusing to count?
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_22: You know, for me so much of this comes down to the individual's mentality who are going and moving forward with the efforts to go and help people.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_22: As Callie Proctor said when she was in studio it seems as if the mentality that we have coming from the leftists in society is mirrored in these efforts to help those with addiction and that is they're not responsible for their actions.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_22: So we accept how addicted they are and simply enable them.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_22: And that's not a way to reduce harm you are doing it under the definition of harm reduction, but ultimately are you not just causing more damage and setting that person on the path to destruction she says something very similar at the end of the piece.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_22: It's not better is it better not to die of an overdose or contract HIV from a shared syringe?
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_22: Is it better for a vulnerable alcoholic to sleep somewhere he won't freeze to death or be beaten and robbed?
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_22: And yes, is it better to recover from addiction than to remain trapped inside one harm reduction advocates often repeat the slogan harm reduction saves lives.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_22: Sometimes it unquestionably does but keeping someone alive is not the same thing as believing that there is nothing better to hope for there is a difference between refusing to abandon someone because he's destroying himself and becoming so committed to making that destruction safer that we lose our willingness to say he deserves something better.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_22: And therein lies the problem is that I don't think that last step is being taken in a world driven or a country driven where half of the country believes that hey you're not responsible for your actions it's society's fault.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_22: It's never yours.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_22: And when that mentality ends up being applied to an individual who is stuck in addiction it's going to have deadly consequences she says um meet people where they are she says there's a difference between refusing to abandon someone because he's destroying himself and becoming so committed to making that destruction safer, we lose our willingness to say he deserves something better.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_22: Meet people where they are keep them alive treat them like human beings reduce the suffering you can today even when you cannot solve the larger problem.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_22: But don't become so committed to meeting people where they are that you forget to ask where we're hoping they might go so from a probation perspective a lot of these individuals who are addicted and homeless are involved in the criminal justice system and on probation.
• 1:19:54
  SPEAKER_37: So essentially these outreach workers are giving my clients fresh needles to go use drugs with well that's gonna end up putting them back in jail when they're using and they're not supposed to be using when they're supposed to be going to treatment.
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_22: So I guess I hope these outreach people are okay with uh contributing to custodial statuses for these people have a good day thank you for the comment again the blaster line is 6519640294 6519640294.
• 1:20:32
  SPEAKER_17: Good morning John on this whole topic of treating people with substance abuse and long-term problems uh we used to have easier involuntary commitment laws where for the good of the person they could be involuntarily committed to a treatment program where they would not have access to things um some blame one flew over the cuckoo's nest the movie for the disbanding of that process and and procedure what do you think about that?
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_22: Interesting I've never seen uh that's on the list of uh classic films that uh I need to go and uh and check out because I have never seen one uh uh flew over the cuckoo's nest Chad from Innoca writes in I understand helping drug users but at the same time why are taxpayer funds going to buy needles um on something that is against the law anyone else would be charged with contributing to a crime I'm fine if it's funded privately with no taxes.
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_22: Um and for a um and I just want to mention too that if you are having difficulty on uh YouTube, make sure you head on over to Center of the American Experiments a YouTube uh channel and uh you can go and check it out uh there.
• 1:21:47
  SPEAKER_22: The audio is cleaner over on that.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_22: I'm having issues on my personal uh YouTube page this morning.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_22: Uh somebody else wrote in when no effort toward recovery, sobriety and accountability is required, uh the harm reduction effort sounds like a pathway to of hospice care for the addicted.
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah and therein lies the conundrum.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_22: It's a difficult one.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_22: And it really was I encourage everybody when you get the chance I shared with you some of the uh the highlights of Callie Proctor's uh piece but I definitely encourage you to go and head on over to the Minneapolis Times and check it out in its uh entirety because it really did um open my eyes on this particular issue and uh it's gonna help me when we talk about these issues uh in the uh in the future uh keeping with the theme too two Minnesota women are suing Planned Parenthood alleging that they underwent coerced abortions the lawsuit seeking a class action status for approximately 44,000 women claims that Planned Parenthood failed to adequately screen for pressure or coercion and violated the women's 14th amendment rights.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_22: The plaintiffs argue that Minnesota law should provide greater procedural protections for abortion decisions similar to those cases of parental rights termination.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_22: You know and this is where I think these these stories the Venn diagram forms and there's a center portion where they cross of the leftist agenda the lack of accountability and not giving any quarter to the political opposition for an issue or a stance that they have in this case it's abortion it's it's abortion.
• 1:23:34
  SPEAKER_22: Because you have individuals that are out there actively pushing women to get an abortion and you have these same organizations that are actively going and pushing against crisis pregnancy centers.
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_22: They don't even want women to have the ability or to be encouraged to keep their child I want to give you the details of a couple of these stories here in just a moment on the show.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_38: In the meantime uh let's go back to the uh blaster line uh this morning uh 651-964-0294 good morning thanks for having this topic on John it is very interesting however I feel like there are two things missing accountability and the goal should be to create autonomous contributing adults I don't know just my thoughts have a great day thank you for the comment uh let's go uh here to the uh blaster line you know what's also a good harm reduction getting people off drugs I just recently had to have two surgeries in kind of quick succession and while I needed the painkillers that were given the both facilities were very very prescriptive about how much was given making sure talking to me well about what I did if there was you know any anything left over we should not be encouraging this as a society and the whole like let's give them good needles and all this other no we need to be working more at getting people into programs and getting them off drugs the life they're living all you have to do is look at what it is and don't talk to me about how we're just letting people live their lives.
• 1:25:14
  SPEAKER_38: And I just drive me insane when they bring the Bible into it and and oh we should treat everyone with respect and dignity.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah that would be getting them into programs and not letting them sit on our streets openly using drugs.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_38: And this even applies to alcoholics too I'm not just gonna stick it and I not like I don't imbibe once in a while but seriously this is the degrading and the fall of society.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_22: Let me uh share this comment and then I want to uh address uh both of uh the uh blasts that rolled in hey John yeah you're just talking about this uh the empathy of giving these addicts things that they need blah blah blah I just watched a good youtube video uh it's called Leftist Empathy is actually narcissism and it's really telling and right on point.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_14: So if you have a chance go on YouTube and watch that.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_14: Also God Sod has a book out about uh uh suicidal empathy I think it's called it's uh it's a real problem with the lefties.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_14: Have a good day.
• 1:26:21
  SPEAKER_22: And I think the issue as we wrap up this portion of it I want to get to this uh Planned Parenthood and women being coerced because it falls right in line with the commentary.
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_22: I think the if you're gonna have a takeaway from all of this over the course of the past hour it is that the component that seems to be missing from this is a a concerted effort at recovery.
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_22: It almost makes it difficult to even approach the subject if the harm reduction does not involve and it doesn't sound like it comprehensively does does not involve a concerted effort to get an individual clean.
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_22: Like if that is a part of the end game when it comes to harm reduction, then we can have a much better and comprehensive conversation about how much enabling do we do to the addict in the midst of them seeking the necessary treatment.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_22: But my takeaway from what Callie was mentioning in the piece and I'm not putting words in her mouth I'm just saying my takeaway was it sounds like that aspect of it is being pushed off to the wayside.
• 1:27:30
  SPEAKER_22: And it's not surprising because a lot of times this is being run by you know leftists and leftist organizations.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_22: And right now accountability is not something that the left wants to go and promote.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_22: You are not at fault for the decisions and the poor decisions that you made in your life and just trust the government and the left to support your mediocre lifestyle.
• 1:27:51
  SPEAKER_22: Just because you went and had sex and got pregnant it's not your it's not your fault.
• 1:27:56
  SPEAKER_22: You have needs like everybody else it was just unfortunate that you Became pregnant.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_22: Therefore, you should just terminate that baby.
• 1:28:04
  SPEAKER_22: The experiences for these two women unfolded in different ways.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_22: One woman says she walked out of her first appointment at a Planned Parenthood clinic crying and then intentionally missed to three more appointments before eventually returning.
• 1:28:15
  SPEAKER_22: The other was unmarried and living with her parents, scared, ashamed, and under so much stress, she felt unable to think straight.
• 1:28:21
  SPEAKER_22: The lawsuit filed against Planned Parenthood Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and its parent organization seeks a class action status on behalf of approximately 44,000 women who underwent abortions at Planned Parenthood facilities in Minnesota over the past six years.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_22: KPS says, and the woman is going by her initials, she repeatedly tried to walk away from the abortion.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_22: The Minnesota woman, identified in the lawsuit by her initials, unmarried and working as a nursing assistant when she became pregnant in 2020, according to the complaint she intended to keep and raise the child.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_22: The lawsuit states that KPS immediately sought prenatal care from an obstetrician.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_22: The obstetrician shocked by her suggesting abortion and provided her with a list of abortion facilities.
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_22: The lawsuit says her mother insisted that she have an abortion, and the baby's father also demanded one and refused to provide financial or emotional support.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_22: Still, the woman resisted.
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_22: When she arrived at Planned Parenthood St.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_22: Paul facility for her first scheduled abortion, she could feel her baby kicking and began to cry and sob according to the complaint.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_22: She left without undergoing the abortion.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_22: She intentionally missed three more scheduled appointments.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_22: Eventually, she scheduled a fifth appointment.
• 1:29:43
  SPEAKER_22: At one point during her interactions with Planned Parenthood, when the complaintant says her baby was approximately 20 to 22 weeks old, KPS asked a worker by phone whether her baby would feel pain during the abortion.
• 1:29:55
  SPEAKER_22: The worker lied and told KPS that what she what was being removed was nothing but tissue.
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_22: The complaint alleges.
• 1:30:04
  SPEAKER_22: After her fifth appointment, the lawsuit says KPS signed a consent form in the waiting room before speaking with a doctor, nurse, or counselor after an ultrasound.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_22: A worker gave her an oral drug, according to the complaintant.
• 1:30:19
  SPEAKER_22: KPS then told workers she did not want to proceed and wanted to lead.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_22: The different uh Planned Parenthood locations told her that because she had already taken the drug, it was too late.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_22: The complaint says KPS was crying when she was taken to the procedure room.
• 1:30:34
  SPEAKER_22: Nobody from Planned Parenthood asked her why she was so distressed.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_22: Instead, she was given medication that knocked her out.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_22: Afterward, KPS asked to see her baby according to the lawsuit, and the complaint alleges that Planned Parenthood presented the remains to her on a metal pan.
• 1:30:52
  SPEAKER_22: KPS later paid a funeral parlor to obtain the remains.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_22: The complaint says she ended up having her baby buried.
• 1:31:01
  SPEAKER_22: Clara Boyer's account describes a 21-year-old woman who says she was overwhelmed by her circumstances and conflicted about what to do.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_22: Unmarried, living with her parents, became pregnant in 2021.
• 1:31:11
  SPEAKER_22: According to the lawsuit, she was surprised, scared, and ashamed, embarrassed, and confused that the baby's father suggested abortion twice, according to the complainant.
• 1:31:21
  SPEAKER_22: If the baby's father had supported Clara in keeping the baby, she never would have considered abortion.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_22: The lawsuit says that Boyer was experiencing so much stress in her decision-making ability, it was badly compromised.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_22: Boy, doesn't that sound familiar.
• 1:31:35
  SPEAKER_22: She felt unable to think straight.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_22: Clara believed abortion was morally wrong, but felt trapped by her circumstances.
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_22: Boyer eventually underwent a medication abortion at a Planned Parenthood at a Brooklyn Park facility.
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_22: It's ghoulish behavior on the account of Planned Parenthood.
• 1:31:53
  SPEAKER_22: These women are ultimately making the decision on their own, but you cannot discount the fact that nobody was bothering to even suggest an alternative or going off of the emotions that she was, you know, that she was showing in the wake of all of this.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_22: She eventually underwent a medication abortion.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_22: The lawsuit alleges she signed the consent form in the waiting room before meeting with the doctor, nurse, counselor that, and that the Planned Parenthood did not screen her for coercion or pressure or discuss her, discuss her moral and religious objections to the abortion.
• 1:32:28
  SPEAKER_22: The complaint alleges that the abortion caused Boyer extreme mental and emotional anguish, including extreme shame, sadness, depression, anger, remorse, and daily psychological rumination over the loss of her baby.
• 1:32:41
  SPEAKER_22: Now, while their circumstances were different, Boyer and KPS made the same central legal argument.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_22: Planned Parenthood did not have adequate safeguards to determine whether their decisions were truly knowing, voluntary, and informed.
• 1:32:56
  SPEAKER_22: None of this comes as a surprise to me whatsoever.
• 1:33:00
  SPEAKER_22: It will be very interested to see what the lawsuit uh outcome uh is.
• 1:33:07
  SPEAKER_22: But when you have these same organizations that are out there fighting tooth and nail and using the law to shut down a crisis pregnancy center that just as simply offers up an alternative to death and they're being fought against, it tells you how evil the issue has become.
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_22: There just is no value to that human life whatsoever.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_22: It is more important to push the agenda and honestly, not to get, you know, too morose in this, but to increase those numbers.
• 1:33:44
  SPEAKER_22: Because when it comes to Planned Parenthood, the more numbers that they have every year, the more validation that they put forward that what they're doing is the right and just thing.
• 1:33:55
  SPEAKER_20: Good morning, John.
• 1:33:56
  SPEAKER_20: It cannot be stated often enough.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_20: Uh, let's not forget that planned parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger's goal for that organization was to import uh was to afford as many black babies as possible to control their population.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_20: Um the death cult seems to be thrilled to encourage and use as many babies dying as possible even today.
• 1:34:22
  SPEAKER_20: Uh and I believe the numbers are that I give the black population everyone.
• 1:34:30
  SPEAKER_08: Yes, you're talking to your your current commentary on uh abortion and uh and heard what's being killed.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_08: Don't you find it interesting that uh the the people that are looking for an abortion they have heard of and in all cases they're victims.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_08: They're victims uh because they had a pregnancy, they didn't get really not their fault, and so now they pursue something, and now they are healing for the same reason.
• 1:35:08
  SPEAKER_08: I have compassion for these people, but the paradox between in all cases it's victimly, now it's coming back against the plan parenthood too, which is the conundrum.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_22: I posted a video yesterday.
• 1:35:28
  SPEAKER_22: I put it up on uh TikTok, and you can follow the new uh social media feeds for the show on uh Instagram and TikTok, uh John Justice uh show.
• 1:35:37
  SPEAKER_22: You can go and uh and check that out.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_22: But it was, I assume it was a woman based off of the tenor of her of her voice, but done up in the most ridiculous, you know, makeup, had either penciled on or grown, you know, through you know, some sort of treatment, um uh a mustache and and uh and big bushy eyebrows, had the hair shaved, multi-colors, and they were bragging about how confused individuals were as they went about their daily life in public.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_22: When they would go to a store or go get a cup of coffee, and somebody would want to go and say, have a good day, you know, sir or ma'am, and they would struggle because they didn't know.
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_22: And this person was all just completely proud of this fact that they had caused this confusion.
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_22: I've said many times that I believe it's an it's an outward reflection of what's happening inside.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_22: It's the heart issue, that God-sized hole that I've mentioned so often.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_22: But it's also uh there's another aspect to this, too.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_22: It is a complete and total rejection of God.
• 1:36:46
  SPEAKER_22: And this is by extension an example of how and why Christianity is so heavily targeted by the leftists because it's a threat to them.
• 1:37:00
  SPEAKER_22: Whereas every other religion is championed and welcomed for the most part.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_22: Not everyone, but the select chosen religions are championed and promoted because it's politically advantageous to do so.
• 1:37:12
  SPEAKER_22: Christianity is always the bigger, the bigger threat here.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_22: And this plays right into the abortion issue and what the uh blast was was talking about.
• 1:37:23
  SPEAKER_22: Because he's right, there is a victim mentality that people have when it comes to a woman getting pregnant as if it's not their fault.
• 1:37:29
  SPEAKER_22: That in and of itself is a rejection of God's creation.
• 1:37:35
  SPEAKER_22: When it comes to that woman that ended up making herself look like a freak of nature, that's the point.
• 1:37:42
  SPEAKER_22: It's almost demonic in a way an individual will go and simply strip away any level of humanity.
• 1:37:51
  SPEAKER_22: And when I say humanity, I mean the God bestowed.
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_22: It's a rejection of God's creation and going and turning yourself into a ghoul.
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_22: You're rejecting how God created you.
• 1:38:03
  SPEAKER_22: And in this case, when it comes to women becoming victims, it is also a rejection of God's plan, wherein, well, if I just didn't get pregnant, this wouldn't be an issue.
• 1:38:14
  SPEAKER_22: You know, in the absence of believing in a higher power or somebody that actually went and created you as a as a human being, it's really easy to write it off.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_22: It's just, well, you know, it is what it is.
• 1:38:24
  SPEAKER_22: It's not really a baby, and I can go ahead and just make whatever excuse I want to go and uh and and terminate.
• 1:38:32
  SPEAKER_22: All right, let's go back here to the uh blaster line this morning, six five one nine six four zero two nine four.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_22: I'm not a hundred percent sure I follow the line of thought there, but I do th appreciate you um calling into the blaster line at 651-964-0294.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_22: All right.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_22: Um let's go, let's go here.
• 1:39:23
  SPEAKER_22: I want to turn our attention.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_22: Let's get to some local matters, but first let's address the big news story of this morning, and that is the major news networks halting the Trump pool coverage.
• 1:39:34
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• 1:40:03
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  SPEAKER_49: And now here is commentary from the guests, hosts, and policy fellows of Center of the American Experiment.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_49: To learn more, go to AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_03: We have not slowed down.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_03: There is no sense in which the fraud has been stopped in Minnesota.
• 1:41:44
  SPEAKER_03: In Minnesota, we also have group homes that are licensed as assisted living facilities.
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_03: And we have something along the order of 2,500 of these licensed across the state, but about 20% of them, around three, four hundred of them, have just been started in the last year.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure if there's a real underlying driver in the demographics or the demand for these facilities, but it's odd that we have these assisted living facilities linked to Medicaid fraud.
• 1:42:14
  SPEAKER_03: At the same time, the Minnesota Department of Health is approving more than one a day.
• 1:42:20
  SPEAKER_03: More than one new facility gets approved every single day, 365 days a year.
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't think anybody is really giving any thought to, hey, maybe some of this is not on the up and up.
• 1:42:30
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• 1:42:33
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• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_47: One of the intriguing people here, of course, is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_47: Um uh and I got two questions about her.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_47: Number one, do you take her seriously as a presidential candidate?
• 1:42:50
  SPEAKER_47: And number two, this this comment that she made the other day about how woke 1.0 was crazy, right?
• 1:42:58
  SPEAKER_47: But now I guess we have woke 2.0, which seems to me to be even crazier.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_47: But what do you make of that as a as an effort to uh dodge the past?
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, first of all, you just don't get to do that.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can't laugh it off all the horrible things that were done in the in the first woke period and just say, oh, we were all kind of crazy.
• 1:43:19
  SPEAKER_02: You you don't get to do that.
• 1:43:20
  SPEAKER_02: You you are held accountable uh for the things that you said.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_48: Think about it.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_48: A famous politician once said, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_48: But in a world full of AI and fake news, where can Minnesotans find the facts?
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_48: Center of the American Experiment is Minnesota's go-to source for fact-based analysis and common sense solutions for taxes, energy, public safety, and our kids' education.
• 1:43:47
  SPEAKER_48: Visit AmericaneExperiment.org for more information.
• 1:43:50
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• 1:43:55
  SPEAKER_22: Regardless of how you feel about what President Donald Trump has done by halting the major networks from having special access to the White House.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_22: I and again, I don't have an issue with it, but the aspect of it that I definitely appreciate, regardless of your opinion too, I think you'll agree, is that it is bringing further attention to just how bad our media has now gotten.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_22: It's awful.
• 1:44:27
  SPEAKER_22: It's just awful.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_22: I'll give you the receipts here coming up in just a moment.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_22: It's why I cannot get up in arms with what with uh what Trump is doing.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_22: As we transition over to this here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:44:40
  SPEAKER_22: Again, the blaster line is 651-964-0294, and email me john.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 1:44:49
  SPEAKER_24: I have examples today of a handful of stories, all focused on gubernatorial candidate Amy Klobuchar, all focused on the same thing, all positive to Amy Klobichar without any sort of additional coverage of her GOP opponent, Lisa Damath.
• 1:45:07
  SPEAKER_22: I'm convinced the only reason why this is the case is because those polling numbers that came out, and we'll have polling to share tomorrow on the show.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_22: The Thinking Minnesota polling uh information that we've been able to gather here at Center of the American Experiment is incredibly insightful and fascinating.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_22: Bill Walsh will be joining us, part of the communications team in studio tomorrow morning as we dive into some of these uh numbers.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_22: But let's start off here.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_22: Major television networks suspending their pool coverage, suspended their pool coverage of President Donald Trump yesterday after CNN, MS Now and Politico announced plans to sue the administration over being barred from the White House.
• 1:45:45
  SPEAKER_22: And I misspoke earlier.
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_22: There was a press conference that took place, and it was not at the uh at the White House.
• 1:45:50
  SPEAKER_22: It was actually in New York City with Zoharon Mamdani.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_22: I have the audio to share.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_22: But the point still remains is that President Donald Trump was there taking questions from questions from all the reporters, which goes to show that really this is just about the specific special access that was being granted to the press that Trump is simply tired of based off of their incredibly shodding and often straight up lying within their reporting.
• 1:46:17
  SPEAKER_22: Here's the first clip I want to share of President Donald Trump talking about uh this very issue and the news and why he was banning these certain outlets.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_43: I've done great things.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_43: I've done a lot of great things.
• 1:46:28
  SPEAKER_43: I've settled eight wars.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_43: We have the best economic numbers for the country in the history of our country.
• 1:46:34
  SPEAKER_43: We have$21 trillion pouring in, the biggest number ever.
• 1:46:38
  SPEAKER_43: Any country was three.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_43: Nobody's ever done what we've done.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_43: I never get anything positive.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_43: It's always negative.
• 1:46:44
  SPEAKER_43: Uh even having to do with the war.
• 1:46:46
  SPEAKER_43: We've done so well.
• 1:46:47
  SPEAKER_43: We have totally look, they're not going to have a nuclear weapon.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_43: Let me just put it that way.
• 1:46:52
  SPEAKER_43: And they're not doing well.
• 1:46:53
  SPEAKER_43: They're not doing well.
• 1:46:54
  SPEAKER_43: In fact, I have meetings on it today.
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_43: They're they're doing very poorly.
• 1:46:57
  SPEAKER_43: Uh you would think that an outlet would write at least reasonably well, but never.
• 1:47:03
  SPEAKER_43: If you look at CNN, it's fake news.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_43: If you look at MS Now, I don't even know what MS Now is.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_43: I guess it's the MSNBC, what it used to be, or MSDNC, as some people call it.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_43: That's Democrat National Committee.
• 1:47:15
  SPEAKER_43: But it's just biased news.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_43: And I think that these outlets have an obligation to be fair.
• 1:47:20
  SPEAKER_43: And if they're fake news, I really think I have an obligation not to allow them into another very special house.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_43: This is a special house question.
• 1:47:28
  SPEAKER_43: Well, the White House is the most special of all houses, I have to say.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_43: And I don't even think the mayor would argue with that.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_43: And I think I have an obligation not to let fake news.
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_43: They're very bad for the country, very bad for national security, so I have that obligation.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_22: ABC, CBS, and Fox News, along with NBC, joined with CNN suspending their television pool duties, which provide video of the presidential uh the presidential events to news organizations around the world, according to the New York Times.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_22: You know, another part of this that hasn't been uh mentioned yet, and it's completely absent from the controversy surrounding uh Trump's move to bar, again, this is just a special access inside the White House, is the fact that there are, you know, numerous ways in which they can still go about interviewing the president.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_22: Like this is the least that he could do to continue to draw attention to what has become of what should be honest, fair, and balanced journalism, and it just isn't anymore.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_22: Now, speaking of uh having uh the receipts regarding this, I want to go back to a clip.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_22: This was a town hall that was done on CNN a number of years ago.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_22: Trump is being interviewed by Caitlin Collins and he ends up fact-checking her live in the middle of this town hall, pulling out screenshots of his actual comments that he made on January 6th, that the mainstream and legacy media has constantly gone and lied about, leaving out the proper context.
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_35: So when they when they went to the Capitol and they were breaking into the Capitol's message in windows, injuring police officers, why did you why did it take you three hours to tell them to go home?
• 1:49:11
  SPEAKER_43: I don't believe it did.
• 1:49:12
  SPEAKER_43: I don't believe it's a little bit of a good thing.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_43: It's the day before.
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_43: I say police support or capital police and law enforcement.
• 1:49:30
  SPEAKER_43: They are truly on the side of our country, stay peaceful, stay peaceful.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_43: This was the day before, and this one in the form of Twitter.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_43: Now you use truth social, and I think it's called superior.
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_43: Okay.
• 1:49:42
  SPEAKER_43: I hope everybody's I hope everybody's at uh if you look at US exists at two before 230.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_43: I am asking for everyone at the US Capitol to remain peaceful.
• 1:49:53
  SPEAKER_43: This is right after as it was happening.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_43: But what happened is they took it down on.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_43: I don't know why.
• 1:50:01
  SPEAKER_43: I think they took it down because it was so good they didn't like it being up there.
• 1:50:05
  SPEAKER_43: I am asking this is and we didn't know until I got it back, because now I have 90 million people waiting for me to go back, but I'm on truth and I'm staying on truth.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_43: Listen, I am asking for everyone at the U.S.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_43: Capitol to remain peaceful.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_43: No violation.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_43: We want no violation.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_43: We want no violence.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_43: Remember, we are the party of law and order.
• 1:50:25
  SPEAKER_43: Respect the law and our great men and women in blue.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_43: Thank you.
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_43: That was at 230.
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_43: That was very early.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_35: Mr.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_35: President, I looked at the same time.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_22: Let's go to the uh blaster line again.
• 1:50:36
  SPEAKER_22: Uh 651-964-0294.
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_15: John, I completely agree with you and President Trump.
• 1:50:44
  SPEAKER_15: Um the uh you know the the leftist uh legacy news media needs a complete overhaul.
• 1:50:57
  SPEAKER_15: This is just a bunch of Democrats supporting why can't use coverage.
• 1:51:06
  SPEAKER_15: You can go to so many other journalists and uh we feel news.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_15: There's a million sources online of people who are just reporting facts.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_15: That's what we're supposed to get.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_15: That's what we need to know.
• 1:51:30
  SPEAKER_15: Not lies from NBC, CBS, ABC.
• 1:51:35
  SPEAKER_15: It's a bunch of crap that we're getting and we don't want it anymore.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_15: We never want it.
• 1:51:41
  SPEAKER_15: Thanks.
• 1:51:42
  SPEAKER_22: Thank you for uh choosing your words uh carefully.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_22: And the legacy media and the leftists also conveniently forget of back going, you know, going back to the early aughts, the early 2000s, and former President Barack Obama's time in office.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_22: As a matter of fact, individuals went out there and did the work for me.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_22: So what you're gonna hear uh in this clip is former president Barack Obama just recently, I think it was just this past week, and then you're gonna hear David Axelrod, his advisor, in 2009 talking with George Snuffelough.
• 1:52:19
  SPEAKER_12: The nation could not foresee some of the stuff that's going on right now.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_12: I believe there was just an announcement that the White House decided.
• 1:52:30
  SPEAKER_12: Uh you know what, CNN, uh MSN, uh MS Now, uh maybe the New York Times are included.
• 1:52:40
  SPEAKER_12: You just can't come to the White House press briefings anymore.
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_12: Because you're giving the current president unfavorable coverage.
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_12: I'm trying to think what would have happened if I had said, you know what, Fox News, get out of here.
• 1:52:56
  SPEAKER_12: It's unimaginable.
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_26: Hearing on ABC News last Sunday, presidential advisor David Axelrod argued Fox News is not a real news organization.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_26: And the bigger thing is that uh uh other news organizations like yours uh ought not to treat them that way.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_26: And today the White House took its first concrete step in that direction.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_26: The administration contacted the White House pool, a five-network rotation that has for decades shared the cost and duties of daily coverage of the presidency, and to which Fox News has belonged since 1997, and made available for round-robin interviews the executive paysar Ken Feinberg.
• 1:53:31
  SPEAKER_26: But the administration specified that all members of the pool were welcome except Fox News.
• 1:53:36
  SPEAKER_26: Asked earlier this week if the Obama administration wants to see Fox News kicked out of the White House pool.
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_10: A few moments later.
• 1:54:07
  SPEAKER_22: So, yeah, you can take your consternation, your frustration, calling President Donald Trump a dictator.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_22: You can just take it all and shove it.
• 1:54:17
  SPEAKER_22: Just shove it.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_22: You don't have a leg to stand on if you're on the left.
• 1:54:22
  SPEAKER_22: And that's the stance you're taking.
• 1:54:27
  SPEAKER_22: People just so easily forget about what had happened in the past.
• 1:54:31
  SPEAKER_22: Let's hear from a friend of the show.
• 1:54:33
  SPEAKER_10: Good morning, John Rich here.
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_10: In regards to the uh White House press corps and these news agencies that are biased, they're actually not they shouldn't be declared news agencies.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_10: They are no different than talk radio or talk shows.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_10: And they're politically biased, so they really shouldn't get press passes as as fair news.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_22: It's um it it's gotten it's gotten so bad.
• 1:54:59
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, we talk about it all the time, but have having experience working with news outlets in the past, going back to a similar time frame as we were just talking about in the early aughts in 2000, um, I I remember locally uh for a local news outlet, K-Gun, and the reporters there, I know what their political affiliation is, and it's pretty easy to find that.
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_22: I'm not asking anybody, but just based off reactions to the show that I was doing in the same build that you can pretty easily go and tell which way that they align politically.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_22: But the more glaring example was in their news coverage of stories.
• 1:55:34
  SPEAKER_22: They would work really hard to keep the bias out of the stories, but it was a struggle.
• 1:55:39
  SPEAKER_22: It's hard to do that.
• 1:55:40
  SPEAKER_22: That's why I like doing this.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_22: Don't want to run for office and don't want to be, you know, a reporter.
• 1:55:47
  SPEAKER_22: I like doing the commentary like this because that is hard to not inject your bias.
• 1:55:51
  SPEAKER_22: And that was a time when they were actually trying to keep their bias out of the media.
• 1:55:56
  SPEAKER_22: Now they just don't even care.
• 1:55:57
  SPEAKER_22: Now the news outlets feel completely and totally justified.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_22: And all of these things are connected.
• 1:56:04
  SPEAKER_22: The mentalities, it's funny how this happens.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_22: And I love these little serendipitous moments that take place on the show when this when we end up at a place where you can see the comparisons of the stories that we're talking about.
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_22: We spent a great deal of time talking about harm reduction efforts with Callie Proctor in the in the first hour of the show and the early part of this hour.
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_22: But a part of the problem with the harm reduction is you want to have compassion and dignity for people who have addiction issues, but it seems as if they've gone and abandoned any sort of responsibility aspect of trying to help people get clean.
• 1:56:38
  SPEAKER_22: Basically telling people this activity you're engaged in is not healthy and it's wrong and it has unintended consequences to society around you.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_22: No, they're enabling them to do so.
• 1:56:48
  SPEAKER_22: It's being justified within our school system.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_22: Much like the journalists used to try to work very hard to keep their bias out of the media.
• 1:56:59
  SPEAKER_22: Now they don't care anymore.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_22: The same thing took has taken place within our public education system.
• 1:57:05
  SPEAKER_22: Within our public education system, we used to argue, we used to all agree indoctrination was bad, but we would argue over what particular pieces of curriculum or electives were and were not indoctrination.
• 1:57:19
  SPEAKER_22: Now indoctrination is just commonplace.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_24: And so when it comes to Trump and what he's doing, he's just simply had enough.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_22: It's the least that he can do to try to get the message across to these news outlets.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_22: And the part of this whole thing that I find the most frustrating is that none of these news entities seem to have woken up to the idea that you know what, there's an audience out there if you actually did present both sides.
• 1:57:49
  SPEAKER_22: You see, they're so fearful to go and show anything that is in opposition of what their ideology is because they're afraid of that backlash.
• 1:57:59
  SPEAKER_22: And they're more willing to tow the line for the party that they support rather than, you know what, invite a lot of viewers through controversy by actually showing the other side of the argument.
• 1:58:11
  SPEAKER_22: Yes, you are gonna tick off your viewers who align with you politically, but at the same time, you're gonna bring more eyeballs because you're making it compelling, you're making it interesting, you're presenting both sides of the argument.
• 1:58:27
  SPEAKER_22: But no, at this point in time, it's become a religion for the leftists.
• 1:58:32
  SPEAKER_22: So they're even willing to leave money on the table to the detriment of their own networks in order to continue to perpetuate the party line.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_22: J.D.
• 1:58:44
  SPEAKER_22: Vance yesterday, I believe, was talking with Newsmax and getting into the issue of how the media was being barred from having special access to the White House.
• 1:58:59
  SPEAKER_05: I'm one of these people who actually really believes you need an honest news media.
• 1:59:02
  SPEAKER_05: You you need, you know, if if I have a question about what's going on in the world, I want to be able to turn on the TV or read an article and know, you know, maybe it's not perfect, but it's at least coming from a place where the person writing it is trying to tell me the truth.
• 1:59:15
  SPEAKER_05: The problem with a few of these media outlets, I wouldn't even say it's most, but uh, but some of the bigger media outlets, is they're not really news organizations.
• 1:59:22
  SPEAKER_05: It's not that they have a liberal bias.
• 1:59:24
  SPEAKER_05: I wouldn't like that, but I'd be okay with it.
• 1:59:26
  SPEAKER_05: The problem is that they are effectively propaganda arms of the left.
• 1:59:30
  SPEAKER_05: If you look at just the independent analysis, Harvard analysis of the reporting of CNN or Politico, it's somewhere between 92 and 98 percent of their stories about Donald Trump are negative.
• 1:59:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's not honest and fair reporting.
• 1:59:43
  SPEAKER_05: That is propaganda.
• 1:59:44
  SPEAKER_05: And when you're engaged in that kind of propaganda, you should not be, you should not expect to get special access to the people's White House.
• 1:59:52
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I I've heard a lot of people say that we've banned Politico.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_05: Politico will still write their crazy articles, they will still misrepresent what we say and do.
• 2:00:00
  SPEAKER_05: What's different is that they don't have an office in the White House anymore.
• 2:00:03
  SPEAKER_05: But if you're gonna have that app like you're gonna have that White House office, I think it's reasonable for us to expect that you're at least gonna try to be fair.
• 2:00:11
  SPEAKER_05: And if you're gonna be a propaganda arm of the left, why would Donald Trump give you special access to his White House?
• 2:00:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's not a ban, it's the refusal to grant special access to people who are engaged in dishonest reporting.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_22: We had a uh text blast that came in to 651-964-0294, and they say, John, the clip you played about the media with Obama is proof that Democrats have the memory length of a dead girl.
• 2:01:09
  SPEAKER_22: We'll get to more of those uh coming up in just a moment.
• 2:01:11
  SPEAKER_22: We have local examples of uh just uh how worthless media is, towing the line, as JD Vance just said, when it comes to particular parties.
• 2:01:22
  SPEAKER_22: A great example this morning.
• 2:01:23
  SPEAKER_22: I have a headline roundup.
• 2:01:25
  SPEAKER_22: All stories focused on Amy Klobuchar, all stories focused on Amy Klobuchar and her healthcare proposals, all stories, in my opinion, meant to bolster Amy Klobuchar in the wake of polling data that shows that these races are incredibly competitive.
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_22: This comes on the heels of uh Trump, sick and tired of what's been going on regarding the bias, the lies, the lack of context from the legacy media that he's gone so far as uh to strip them from special access to the White House.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_24: It's just it's just inside of a particular location, trying to send a message to these outlets.
• 2:02:02
  SPEAKER_22: To that point, let's get to some more of your thoughts from the blaster line this morning.
• 2:02:08
  SPEAKER_18: North Bridge.
• 2:02:09
  SPEAKER_18: So people seem to forget that the First Amendment, while guaranteeing the right of free press, does not guarantee them unfettered access to anything that they want or wherever they want to go.
• 2:02:24
  SPEAKER_18: All this girl washing is just I don't even know.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_18: It's comical, actually.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_22: No, you make a you're right.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_22: And what's funny right now to see to see the leftists flailing about in all of this is that they're just tossing out all the typical buzzwords.
• 2:02:41
  SPEAKER_22: They're not actually getting into any any of this.
• 2:02:43
  SPEAKER_22: They're not actually, there's no interest in getting into the heart of what's going on.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_22: There's no interest in addressing what President Donald Trump's criticisms are.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_22: And that's what's most telling about all of this.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_22: They're not trying to even defend themselves.
• 2:02:58
  SPEAKER_22: They know how biased they are.
• 2:03:02
  SPEAKER_22: They know that they are agenda driven.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_22: They have no interest in searching, no curiosity.
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_22: It's one of the biggest problems.
• 2:03:09
  SPEAKER_22: The lack of curiosity as to why President Donald Trump goes and does things.
• 2:03:13
  SPEAKER_22: For the individuals that are driving these news outlets, it doesn't matter.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_22: Anything he does is bad.
• 2:03:19
  SPEAKER_22: That's the leftist party line, and they just go and perpetuate it.
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_13: Hey, good morning, John.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_13: Bruce is shocky.
• 2:03:26
  SPEAKER_13: Yeah, we can't forget about Karine Jean-Pierre, who uh chastised Simon Otaba and had him, or I think that's how his name was pronounced, but he um he got kicked out for asking a question, but then he appealed, they let him back in, but she made him sit in the back of the room and she never called on him anymore.
• 2:03:47
  SPEAKER_13: So um, yeah, this stuff is really crazy, but it's uh, you know, the Democrats did it first, I guess.
• 2:03:54
  SPEAKER_13: Hey, have a good day.
• 2:03:56
  SPEAKER_22: Uh this uh blast uh brings up uh uh a golden oldie from the past that I hadn't thought about, and I appreciate the fact that they're reminding everybody about it here.
• 2:04:06
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, John.
• 2:04:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um for all these people getting all excited about uh from the left.
• 2:04:13
  SPEAKER_00: I have two words for you.
• 2:04:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's called the Twitter files.
• 2:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: Take a look at what the last administration did to anyone that disagreed with what they were doing.
• 2:04:25
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, been a long time since we've uh remembered the uh the Twitter files.
• 2:04:28
  SPEAKER_22: I want to get back to more of your comments in just a moment.
• 2:04:31
  SPEAKER_22: Let me uh share with you some more audio first.
• 2:04:34
  SPEAKER_22: Uh Britt uh Britt Hume, along with Brett Baer and another on Fox News, were talking about the uh issue yesterday and the loss of uh the special access, the press access inside of the White House.
• 2:04:46
  SPEAKER_42: Yeah, and I've written around a lot of presidents, and all of them have had their uh problems with the press.
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_42: Britt, the action about the network pool and kind of pulling the camera and the producer, um, it is, you know, something that the president has used effectively.
• 2:05:00
  SPEAKER_42: He has talked to the pool in the Oval Office many, many times a day sometimes.
• 2:05:05
  SPEAKER_42: And um, you know, we will see him on non-pool events like the UN speech, uh, but it is this solidarity standing with the pool that uh the TV networks are adhering to.
• 2:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that will be a loss for all of us who've tried to cover it through the years, but it'll also be a loss of the president.
• 2:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: As you suggest, Brad, he has been uncommonly accessible to media.
• 2:05:29
  SPEAKER_01: He talks to the press all the time.
• 2:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of it is to the pool.
• 2:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: The reason the pool exists, by the way, is because the White House is not a spacious place, and you can't accommodate everybody who wants to cover a pool event with cameras and sound.
• 2:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you have this pool, which is just an individual network which gathers and distributes the this information.
• 2:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: And not every organization wants to cover the White House that has the facilities to do it, which is why there are only five in the pool that are big enough to do it.
• 2:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um but shutting himself off in that way from the pool, which is what he now has effectively done, uh I think I think is a loss for, as I say, for us.
• 2:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and he'll miss it because he loves to talk to the press.
• 2:06:12
  SPEAKER_22: But he's still going to talk to the press.
• 2:06:15
  SPEAKER_22: This is still this is still going to happen.
• 2:06:18
  SPEAKER_22: It's just not going to happen in that one particular location.
• 2:06:22
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, don't think for a second that Trump isn't still going to take comments from the press.
• 2:06:27
  SPEAKER_22: But even then, how much of what gets cover it gets covered in what Trump is now denying access to isn't covered or it can't be covered in other places.
• 2:06:39
  SPEAKER_22: How much quality of content is there?
• 2:06:44
  SPEAKER_22: To that point, as I mentioned, yesterday, uh Mayor Mom Dani ended up meeting New York mayor, uh, President Donald Trump, and they took questions from the press.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_22: Here's a bit of uh of that press conference.
• 2:06:57
  SPEAKER_43: I've done great things.
• 2:06:58
  SPEAKER_43: I've done a lot of great things.
• 2:06:59
  SPEAKER_43: I've settled eight wars.
• 2:07:01
  SPEAKER_43: Uh, we have the best economics.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_22: I played the uh wrong uh Trump clip.
• 2:07:06
  SPEAKER_22: This is the one I wanted.
• 2:07:08
  SPEAKER_52: Thank you.
• 2:07:08
  SPEAKER_52: Mayor to you first, what's your response to President Trump banning outlets from the White House grounds?
• 2:07:15
  SPEAKER_52: Did you challenge him at all about this in your meeting with him?
• 2:07:18
  SPEAKER_52: Historians and legal scholars have called it textbook authoritarianism.
• 2:07:22
  SPEAKER_52: And Mr.
• 2:07:22
  SPEAKER_52: President, are you banning outlets like MSNow, CNN, and uh politico in order to distract from the Iran war and high gas prices?
• 2:07:33
  SPEAKER_45: Yeah, I I I told the president uh that we're gonna have all of the members of the press here on the lawn, and that is something that I believe in as well.
• 2:07:42
  SPEAKER_22: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 2:07:43
  SPEAKER_22: Hold hold hold on hold on just a second.
• 2:07:45
  SPEAKER_22: Hold on.
• 2:07:45
  SPEAKER_22: I gotta start this clip over again.
• 2:07:47
  SPEAKER_22: I just so just a bit of a background.
• 2:07:51
  SPEAKER_22: If you're watching on the show, you can see this.
• 2:07:53
  SPEAKER_22: But often, you know, I've I've previewed these clips already.
• 2:07:56
  SPEAKER_22: A lot of them have been chopped up, so I've spent time with them before.
• 2:07:58
  SPEAKER_22: And often when I go and play them, I need time to go and you know take a look at the at the blasts that are coming in and and the like.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_22: But I want to I want to revisit and address something in this clip.
• 2:08:08
  SPEAKER_52: Thank you.
• 2:08:08
  SPEAKER_52: Meredith, you first, what's your response to President Trump banning outlets from the White House grounds?
• 2:08:15
  SPEAKER_52: Did you challenge him at all about this in your meeting with him?
• 2:08:19
  SPEAKER_52: Historians and legal scholars have called it textbook authoritarianism.
• 2:08:22
  SPEAKER_52: And Mr.
• 2:08:23
  SPEAKER_52: President, are you banning outlets like MSNow, CNN, and uh politico in order to distract from the Iran war and high gas prices?
• 2:08:33
  SPEAKER_22: That's exactly what Trump is talking about.
• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_22: What a ridiculous leading and loaded line of questioning.
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_22: So first off, it it's fine.
• 2:08:46
  SPEAKER_22: You want to ask Zohram Mamdani his thoughts about banning the press from the press pool, that's fine.
• 2:08:51
  SPEAKER_22: But that's not where she stopped.
• 2:08:54
  SPEAKER_22: You know, legal scholars and others have said this is what authoritarian dictatorships do.
• 2:08:59
  SPEAKER_22: And President Donald Trump, are you merely doing this to go and distract from the high gas prices and the war in Iran?
• 2:09:07
  SPEAKER_22: That's the bias.
• 2:09:09
  SPEAKER_22: But I guarantee you that that idiot reporter doesn't even realize what she's saying.
• 2:09:16
  SPEAKER_22: It's become so ingrained and so commonplace that she doesn't even herself realize how biased her line of questioning was.
• 2:09:27
  SPEAKER_22: Here's the rest of that uh exchange.
• 2:09:30
  SPEAKER_45: Yeah, I I I told the president uh that we're gonna have all of the members of the press here on the lawn, and that is something that I believe in is is everyone, no matter the opinion or the critique that we engage.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_43: It's interesting because uh they said they were gonna boycott me, but they never boycott me.
• 2:09:49
  SPEAKER_43: So I wasn't very worried about that.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_43: Look at all that press.
• 2:09:53
  SPEAKER_43: But uh no, I'm not I'm only doing it because I think the press also is an obligation.
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_43: And you know, I won in a landslide, I won the election in a landslide.
• 2:10:02
  SPEAKER_43: I've done great things.
• 2:10:03
  SPEAKER_43: I've done a lot of great things.
• 2:10:04
  SPEAKER_19: I've said the problem with the left or the left media is even though you find out that Obama and uh other presidents, liberal presidents, have done the exact same thing of banning the media or whatever it is, they're gonna come up with some hulky pokey excuse as to why it was okay for them to do it then, but now you know it's it's uh uh uh you're totally wrong, blah blah blah.
• 2:10:35
  SPEAKER_19: It's just hard to take left seriously of anything.
• 2:10:39
  SPEAKER_19: Anything that they say or do.
• 2:10:41
  SPEAKER_19: Because it's just all ridiculous.
• 2:10:43
  SPEAKER_19: And you'll come up with some excuse of why it's good for me and not good for you every day.
• 2:10:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um banning news media from coming into the lighthouse.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_04: You can make a statement and nobody will question and bring up stuff that you did because he knows that the media is in the Democrats.
• 2:11:18
  SPEAKER_22: 651-964-02 uh 94 is the number for the blaster line.
• 2:11:24
  SPEAKER_07: Thinking about you know, the journalism and the coordinated news stories.
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_07: Did everyone just forget about how they used to have the journal list where they had the the controversy where they had the secret chat rooms where they were coordinating their stories between the big news outlets?
• 2:11:40
  SPEAKER_07: I'm sure when they got busted for that and that went away, they didn't just regroup somewhere like gotten signals where it's hard to track them and and do the same thing.
• 2:12:00
  SPEAKER_16: Like he doesn't throw in the future throwing away.
• 2:12:11
  SPEAKER_16: Fox is just going left like the rest.
• 2:12:16
  SPEAKER_16: In so far as Trump and V.
• 2:12:20
  SPEAKER_16: That was a mistake.
• 2:12:26
  SPEAKER_22: Alright, let's go uh here, and then I want to switch and turn our attention over uh to the local elections uh here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:12:35
  SPEAKER_21: Hey John, just found you today.
• 2:12:37
  SPEAKER_21: Realized you're still doing this show, and so glad to have found you.
• 2:12:41
  SPEAKER_21: Appreciate the conversation this morning.
• 2:12:43
  SPEAKER_21: I was curious how Barry Weiss is doing.
• 2:12:45
  SPEAKER_21: I think she took over is it's CBS news.
• 2:12:48
  SPEAKER_21: Looking forward to hearing your comments.
• 2:12:50
  SPEAKER_21: Thanks.
• 2:12:51
  SPEAKER_22: Um, I have not spent uh much time on that, but I'm glad that you uh have found uh the show and hopefully you will go and uh stick uh stick with us.
• 2:12:59
  SPEAKER_22: 651-964-0294.
• 2:13:01
  SPEAKER_22: Drop me an email, justice.
• 2:13:04
  SPEAKER_22: John.justice at americanexperiment.org.
• 2:13:07
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• 2:13:24
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• 2:13:34
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• 2:13:39
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• 2:13:41
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  SPEAKER_22: I had a comment that uh rolled in.
• 2:19:10
  SPEAKER_22: It's a great point.
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  SPEAKER_22: Regarding the media bias, if Trump lies once, then he's a liar.
• 2:19:18
  SPEAKER_22: If Obama goes and tells the truth once, then he is honest.
• 2:19:23
  SPEAKER_22: It's a pretty accurate assessment.
• 2:19:25
  SPEAKER_22: It's a John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:19:28
  SPEAKER_22: Speaking of media bias, I did a uh media roundup, headline roundup.
• 2:19:32
  SPEAKER_22: You ready for this?
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  SPEAKER_22: Uh from Channel 5, Klobishar makes healthcare proposals.
• 2:19:38
  SPEAKER_22: Damoth campaign response.
• 2:19:41
  SPEAKER_22: Carol Evan in race for Minnesota.
• 2:19:43
  SPEAKER_22: This is all this morning.
• 2:19:43
  SPEAKER_22: All lead stories right now.
• 2:19:45
  SPEAKER_22: In race for Minnesota governor, Klobuchar goes on the offensive against Damuth over healthcare.
• 2:19:52
  SPEAKER_22: Uh from KTTC in Rochester, Klobuchar touts healthcare as a key campaign platform as November election draws closer.
• 2:20:00
  SPEAKER_22: From CBS, Klobuchar highlights healthcare plan for Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_22: Damoth campaign responds.
• 2:20:05
  SPEAKER_22: They just grabbed the one from Channel 5 as well.
• 2:20:09
  SPEAKER_22: This was just a sampling of the of the headlines.
• 2:20:15
  SPEAKER_22: Now, when I did a little bit of digging, you can go back and you can find a smattering of articles relating to Lisa Damath.
• 2:20:23
  SPEAKER_22: I would argue that they are not as specific and focused on Lisa Damath as these ones are.
• 2:20:31
  SPEAKER_22: But even apart from that, there is no subsequent articles today or yesterday regarding uh Lisa Damath.
• 2:20:43
  SPEAKER_22: Not in the way that they're covering Amy Klobuchar and her gubernatorial run.
• 2:20:49
  SPEAKER_22: And they probably think it's all fine and dandy.
• 2:20:51
  SPEAKER_22: If they spike in an article or two regarding Lisa Damath, they probably feel like they've got all their bases uh covered.
• 2:20:59
  SPEAKER_22: But you can't help but see the headline roundup and see the number of articles focused on, oh, Amy Klobuchar's got a brand new plan, and yet you have the Damuth campaign coming out on an almost weekly basis with a brand new program, a brand new announcement regarding their campaign.
• 2:21:17
  SPEAKER_22: I don't expect the media to cover it every single time, but it certainly seems as if they're going out of their way regarding Amy Klobuchar.
• 2:21:24
  SPEAKER_24: And I question whether or not they're even aware of it.
• 2:21:29
  SPEAKER_22: I'm sure some are and they don't care, but how many individuals has just become so commonplace to give preferential treatment to the party that they're aligned with that they don't even bother?
• 2:21:38
  SPEAKER_22: It goes back to the previous blast that we had earlier in the show, simply talking about that very fact.
• 2:21:44
  SPEAKER_22: It's just become all editorials when it comes to the mainstream media.
• 2:21:49
  SPEAKER_22: And it's also why you have other media outlets that have become so successful.
• 2:21:54
  SPEAKER_22: It's why my show is here on American Experiment.
• 2:21:56
  SPEAKER_22: It's why Alpha News has had a tremendous amount of success.
• 2:22:00
  SPEAKER_22: Speaking of which, from Alpha News, they have learned that the individual who was seen in Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan's viral video, this is Nimco Ahmed, CEO of the Milestone Development Center, longtime Democrat activist who appeared alongside Peggy Flanagan in the viral video where Flanagan was donning a hijab pledging support to Minnesota's Somali community, described Ahmed as a friend of nearly 25 years.
• 2:22:29
  SPEAKER_22: As a matter of fact, I have a uh a clip from the uh from the video.
• 2:22:33
  SPEAKER_28: Saleam alaikum.
• 2:22:34
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, my name's Peggy Flanagan.
• 2:22:35
  SPEAKER_28: Uh, I am the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota, and I'm really honored and humbled uh to be here with all of you uh today.
• 2:22:42
  SPEAKER_28: I am incredibly clear that the Somali community is part of the fabric of the state of Minnesota.
• 2:22:52
  SPEAKER_22: That was actually shared by Fox News.
• 2:22:54
  SPEAKER_22: This story went viral yesterday.
• 2:22:56
  SPEAKER_22: Now we talked about this, that this individual, the CEO, who Peggy Flanagan has been friends with for 25 years of the Minneapolis Autism Center is now under state investigation amid fraud allegations, levied, uh leveled by a former employee who's been a fixture in DFL politics for years.
• 2:23:15
  SPEAKER_22: Listen, more than likely the allegations here are going to be correct in terms of the of the fraud.
• 2:23:21
  SPEAKER_22: We've kind of reached that place now.
• 2:23:25
  SPEAKER_22: Now, without having the actual evidence, it still is allegations.
• 2:23:29
  SPEAKER_22: But at the moment, when you look at the amount of fraud that's taking place, if somebody is under investigation for fraud, you can pretty much guess that yeah, there's probably fraud that's that's happening.
• 2:23:37
  SPEAKER_22: I would argue which programs aren't fraudulent at this point in time.
• 2:23:40
  SPEAKER_22: I've made this point before.
• 2:23:41
  SPEAKER_22: Now Alpha News has learned that Ahmed appears to have worked on Klobuchar's first Senate campaign in 2006 with a profile in M.
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_22: Shale from that year reporting that Ahmed joined the Klobuchar team and listing her contact email as Nahmed N Ahmed at Amy Klobuchar.com.
• 2:24:06
  SPEAKER_22: She had her own Amy Klobuchar email address.
• 2:24:10
  SPEAKER_22: Multiple articles from the same outlet identified Ahmed as a staffer for Klobuchar's 2006 campaign.
• 2:24:16
  SPEAKER_22: Additionally, campaign finance records suggest that Ahmed was paid nearly$8,000 by the Klobishar campaign.
• 2:24:24
  SPEAKER_22: The connection is noteworthy as Klobishar runs for governor, an estate rocked by massive fraud involving taxpayer funded programs, and has made cleaning it up as a central part of her campaign.
• 2:24:36
  SPEAKER_22: Now, Klobuchar promised immediate action to go and root out the fraud, including a top-to-bottom audit of state government.
• 2:24:44
  SPEAKER_22: Ahmed, meanwhile, runs a taxpayer-funded autism provider currently under investigation by the Minnesota Department of Human Services amid the allegations that it is a fraudulent center.
• 2:24:56
  SPEAKER_22: Now, Ahmed has denied any wrongdoing and accused Alpha News of bias for raising questions about the allegations.
• 2:25:01
  SPEAKER_22: She's not been charged with a crime.
• 2:25:04
  SPEAKER_22: And DHS has not disclosed the scope of the investigation.
• 2:25:09
  SPEAKER_22: The story and Ahmed's political connections went viral after Alpha News published its investigation on Friday.
• 2:25:15
  SPEAKER_22: Friend of the show and frequent Freedom Friday guest host, Republican State Representative Max Reimer weighed in on this, arguing that the repeated proximity of prominent DFL politicians to people implicated in the alleged fraud points to a broader problem within the party.
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_22: Fraud is so ingrained in the Minnesota Democrat Party, says Max.
• 2:25:38
  SPEAKER_22: A feature of their political apparatus, not a bug, he wrote on X.
• 2:25:42
  SPEAKER_22: Reimer pointed out what he described as a recurring pattern of friendly photos together, financial earmarks for them, promises to protect them in closed door meetings.
• 2:25:51
  SPEAKER_22: You know what's uh and then he uh I want to make sure I get the rest of his comments in here.
• 2:25:55
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, a never-ending insult to Minnesotas, uh to Minnesotans, he added.
• 2:26:01
  SPEAKER_22: So before I wrap up the rest of this um uh article, uh actually, let me go ahead and do that first.
• 2:26:10
  SPEAKER_22: The article goes on to say long before Ahmed became CEO of the Autism Center, under state investigation, she was making a name for herself in Minnesota politics.
• 2:26:18
  SPEAKER_22: And Amy Klobishar was apparently paying attention.
• 2:26:21
  SPEAKER_22: In May of 2006, Ahmed published as Klobuchar was making her first run for U.S.
• 2:26:29
  SPEAKER_22: Senate, described Ahmed as an up-and-coming Somali community activist whose political involvement was growing.
• 2:26:36
  SPEAKER_22: According to the article, Ahmed was being courted by politicians.
• 2:26:40
  SPEAKER_22: She had received calls from multiple campaigns, including candidates running for Minnesota uh governor.
• 2:26:46
  SPEAKER_22: But Ahmed ultimately chose Klobuchar with the article reporting that she decided to join the Klobuchar team.
• 2:26:52
  SPEAKER_22: According to the profile, Ahmed supported Klobuchar in part because Klobuchar believed Somali immigrants like her should be accommodated to achieve their American dream.
• 2:27:01
  SPEAKER_22: Alpha News reached out to Klobusar's uh campaign for comment, but did not receive a response.
• 2:27:06
  SPEAKER_22: Democrats here in the state of uh Minnesota take a clear and present danger approach.
• 2:27:11
  SPEAKER_22: I've used this example a few times, but it's one of my favorite moments in the uh Tom Clancy uh book film version starring uh Harrison Ford.
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_22: But in it, the president of the United States has a friendship with an individual who ends up being involved in gun running.
• 2:27:33
  SPEAKER_22: And so they have this big cabinet meeting to decide how are they going to go and deal with the fact that the president has a connection, and immediately they move to go and downplay any connection that they have.
• 2:27:48
  SPEAKER_22: And Harrison Ford kind of interrupts the meeting and they ask him, Well, what is it?
• 2:27:53
  SPEAKER_22: What do you want?
• 2:27:54
  SPEAKER_22: He's like, No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't go and and down, I wouldn't go and downplay it.
• 2:27:59
  SPEAKER_22: Why bother defusing a bomb when it's already gone off?
• 2:28:03
  SPEAKER_22: I would own it.
• 2:28:04
  SPEAKER_22: I would say, yes, we were lifelong friends, right?
• 2:28:08
  SPEAKER_22: There's no need to try to go and dismiss what's already known.
• 2:28:11
  SPEAKER_22: Democrats very successfully are doing the same thing.
• 2:28:15
  SPEAKER_22: They don't even bother addressing it, they just ignore it.
• 2:28:18
  SPEAKER_22: And they know they're gonna get the cover from the media as we've been talking about throughout the show this morning.
• 2:28:23
  SPEAKER_22: So they can go and do that.
• 2:28:26
  SPEAKER_22: You know, normal individuals would sit back and they would condemn this if they were given enough pressure to go and do so do so.
• 2:28:34
  SPEAKER_22: Peggy Flanagan should be questioned by media immediately over this.
• 2:28:39
  SPEAKER_22: What do you have to say that your friend of 25 years is now under investigation for autism fraud?
• 2:28:45
  SPEAKER_22: Amy Klobishar, what do you have to say that this individual who had an email attached to your name?
• 2:28:51
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, go back to the clip that I played of the interview or the questioning that was being done by the reporter at the Zokron Mamdani New York City press conference that took place.
• 2:29:06
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, think about that line of questioning.
• 2:29:08
  SPEAKER_22: And when was the last time you heard a reporter question somebody on the left in the way that she questioned both Zocron and Trump?
• 2:29:16
  SPEAKER_52: Thank you.
• 2:29:17
  SPEAKER_52: Meredith, you first, what's your response to President Trump banning outlets from the White House grounds?
• 2:29:23
  SPEAKER_52: Uh did you challenge him at all about this in your meeting with him?
• 2:29:27
  SPEAKER_52: Historians and legal scholars have called it textbook authoritarianism.
• 2:29:30
  SPEAKER_52: And Mr.
• 2:29:31
  SPEAKER_52: President, are you banning outlets like MSNow, CNN, and uh Politico in order to distract from the Iran war and high gas prices?
• 2:29:43
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, that's how listen, I'm not even saying that media should go that biased.
• 2:29:49
  SPEAKER_22: It wouldn't even be as biased as what she just did to have any media worth their salt go to Amy Klobuchar or Peggy Flanagan in the wake of this CEO of the Autism Center under investigation being attached to both of these individuals just to get a comment and a quote.
• 2:30:10
  SPEAKER_22: Nothing.
• 2:30:10
  SPEAKER_22: It would take nothing to do so.
• 2:30:12
  SPEAKER_22: Hands off though, they won't.
• 2:30:14
  SPEAKER_22: And you want to know why they won't, by the way?
• 2:30:16
  SPEAKER_22: This is really gonna get you.
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_22: You want to know why these media outlets locally won't?
• 2:30:20
  SPEAKER_22: Because they don't want to lose access.
• 2:30:24
  SPEAKER_22: They want to be able to continue doing interviews with Peggy Flanagan, they want to be able to continue doing uh interviews with Amy Clobichar.
• 2:30:34
  SPEAKER_22: And they're too fearful to go and question legitimately these issues, especially even when fraud is, as we will talk about tomorrow on the show when we dive into the thinking Minnesota polling data.
• 2:30:49
  SPEAKER_22: Even when it is top of mind for the majority of voters, they're fearful of actually going and doing the job they're supposed to do because they don't want to lose access.
• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_22: Which is really interesting when you consider that uh uh they're flailing around when when it comes to President Donald Trump simply barring access from one specific location within the White House.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_22: Thankfully, there are media outlets that are doing their due diligence that are going back and polling previous clips from these candidates in light of the election and the few weeks out that we have left before people Well, I guess polling's already begun.
• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_22: You know, I guess the voting's already begun.
• 2:31:29
  SPEAKER_22: But until election day, including this clip I wanted to share with you.
• 2:31:34
  SPEAKER_22: I believe it was Alpha News who grabbed this one.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, this was a um a Zoom interview that was done with Peggy Flanagan as the George Floyd riots were starting.
• 2:31:48
  SPEAKER_22: And Peggy Flanagan blames systemic racism for his death and then thank the demonstrators.
• 2:31:54
  SPEAKER_22: Listen to uh this.
• 2:31:56
  SPEAKER_29: We have to continue to protect each other and ensure that all Minnesotans, particularly in communities of color and indigenous communities, are healthy and safe.
• 2:32:07
  SPEAKER_29: During times of grief and anger, our instinct is to run to each other, to come together and to hold one another.
• 2:32:15
  SPEAKER_29: But the way that we love our communities most fully is to protect one another.
• 2:32:21
  SPEAKER_29: Last night we saw those choose to express their grief and their anger through protest, wearing masks, distancing themselves from others as best they could.
• 2:32:33
  SPEAKER_29: I thank the demonstrators for the measures and their commitment to safely protest during the pandemic at a time when nothing feels normal.
• 2:32:42
  SPEAKER_29: As a light-skinned Native American woman, I am grappling with my own responsibility to push back against anti-blackness in my own community and in the systems in which I work every day.
• 2:32:55
  SPEAKER_29: This is the work.
• 2:32:59
  SPEAKER_29: Someday when it's safe, we will all have the option of going back to normal.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_29: But we must must not let that happen.
• 2:33:08
  SPEAKER_29: Normal, quote unquote, means that black and brown bodies are not safe.
• 2:33:16
  SPEAKER_29: Normal was not working for us.
• 2:33:18
  SPEAKER_29: We cannot get back to normal.
• 2:33:21
  SPEAKER_29: We must get back to better.
• 2:33:24
  SPEAKER_29: The governor and I will continue to fight for answers and for justice for George Floyd, his family, and for Minnesota.
• 2:33:32
  SPEAKER_29: Thank you.
• 2:33:34
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, that was unearthed uh audio and incredibly relevant when you consider how close uh the race is between her and uh Michelle uh Tefoya.
• 2:33:45
  SPEAKER_22: So it's good on those outlets that are actually unearthing these clips because it's relevant, and the voters need to know exactly who it is that they are voting for.
• 2:33:55
  SPEAKER_22: All right, coming up, the DFL's legislative agenda.
• 2:34:00
  SPEAKER_22: Would uh require tens of billions of dollars in tax hikes on the average Minnesotans.
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  SPEAKER_22: And we'll get to a Gong Green update.
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  SPEAKER_22: There's some interesting uh bombshells that dropped yesterday.
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  SPEAKER_22: Bloomberg backed climate group paying salaries of Democrat state AG officials, quietly shuts down amid scrutiny.
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• 2:39:54
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• 2:39:55
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• 2:39:59
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• 2:40:11
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• 2:40:17
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• 2:40:21
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• 2:40:29
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• 2:40:38
  SPEAKER_22: John Phelan has a piece up, policy fellow here at American Experiment.
• 2:40:42
  SPEAKER_22: When Minnesota's Management and Budget released its February 2026 of budget and economic forecast, he noted that the state government revenues uh forecast were uh to be less than the spending:$2.8 billion, 2026 and 27, 3.4 billion, 28 and 29, for a cumulative deficit of 6.2 billion over the entire period.
• 2:41:06
  SPEAKER_22: Giving this yawning budget deficit, state lawmakers, he writes, it should be looking for ways to cut the cloth accordingly, not apparently among the DFL.
• 2:41:16
  SPEAKER_22: So back in July, the Minnesota House reported that DFL legislators for the Minnesota House and Senate unveiled the agenda 2027.
• 2:41:24
  SPEAKER_22: The agenda was a result of input from Minnesotans across the state and will serve as the guiding vision for lawmakers when they return to the Capitol next year.
• 2:41:34
  SPEAKER_22: The agenda is 16 uh pages uh long of spending commitments, some large and all on top of a budget which is already in deficit.
• 2:41:46
  SPEAKER_22: It promises to establish universal primary care because when everyone can go to the doctor for a checkup, you avoid costly emergencies in the future, expand access to public health care options like Minnesota care, allowing more, Minnesotans to have health insurance outside of the profit-driven market.
• 2:42:06
  SPEAKER_22: This is what's in the agenda, by the way.
• 2:42:08
  SPEAKER_22: Low or no cost child care access for every Minnesotan family as uh universal and uh in as many towns in the state as they can make it.
• 2:42:19
  SPEAKER_22: This will mean more investment.
• 2:42:20
  SPEAKER_22: And pre-INPO, in public pre-K, head start, and community-based to child care in all corners of the state.
• 2:42:28
  SPEAKER_22: On and on and on.
• 2:42:30
  SPEAKER_22: It's section on education, for example, is all about spending more money.
• 2:42:34
  SPEAKER_22: There isn't a single solitary mention of actually boosting educational outcomes.
• 2:42:41
  SPEAKER_22: All this new spending will be vastly expensive.
• 2:42:45
  SPEAKER_22: By one estimate, providing free universal child care would cost the state government$10 billion each biennium.
• 2:42:52
  SPEAKER_22: Considering that the state spending is$71 billion in the current biennium, that is a 14% hike in state government spending before you can even think about giving everyone free primary care and more access to Minnesota care.
• 2:43:06
  SPEAKER_22: There are no prizes for guessing who is going to pay for this tidal wave of new spending.
• 2:43:13
  SPEAKER_22: The rich.
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_22: Those with the most should contribute more for our public goods and services.
• 2:43:35
  SPEAKER_22: In the wealthiest country in the world, we can meet our collective needs.
• 2:43:39
  SPEAKER_22: The big things we want to do for healthcare, housing, child care, and more when people pay their fair share.
• 2:43:46
  SPEAKER_22: I if you think a handful of guys, writes John Phelan, in North Oaks and Delwood, are going to fund upwards of$10 billion in new government spending, I have a bridge to sell you.
• 2:44:00
  SPEAKER_22: If these schemes are enacted, they will be paid for by the average Minnesotan, the one who already has uh already uh hands over more of his or her income to this fraud-riddled spendthrift government than the average earner in 48 other states.
• 2:44:19
  SPEAKER_22: Don't say you weren't warned.
• 2:44:22
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, feeling absolutely right.
• 2:44:24
  SPEAKER_22: This is what is in play when it comes up, when it comes to this election uh this year.
• 2:44:31
  SPEAKER_22: This is what you are up against.
• 2:44:35
  SPEAKER_22: To that point, by the way, let me go here.
• 2:44:38
  SPEAKER_22: A group hosted at the New York uh University School of Law, backed by billionaire climate activist Michael Bloomberg, quietly closed its doors in late August.
• 2:44:47
  SPEAKER_22: This was amid congressional scrutiny over its funding and operations.
• 2:44:52
  SPEAKER_22: So the so-called State Energy and Environmental Impact Center's signature initiative involved uh placing paid climate-focused fellows in Democrat-controlled state attorney general's offices nationwide, as those offices sued the oil industry and other energy providers.
• 2:45:10
  SPEAKER_22: The center's sudden closure comes as a surprise.
• 2:45:13
  SPEAKER_22: It continued to update its public database tracking, uh, state attorney general actions.
• 2:45:18
  SPEAKER_22: It also released an episode of its in-house podcast.
• 2:45:22
  SPEAKER_22: But prior to its closure, the center was coming under increased pressure for effectively paying the salaries of state law enforcement agencies that were pursuing lawsuits in line with the center's priority of going after energy providers.
• 2:45:36
  SPEAKER_22: Now, the disappearance of the center comes as it faced multiple congressional and state level investigations over alleged ethics issues relating to its funding and its practice of paying the salaries of officials it placed in state attorney general's offices.
• 2:45:56
  SPEAKER_22: Media reports and lawmakers often referred to those officials as Bloomberg Fellows, because Bloomberg helped found the center in 2017 with two seed grants worth$2.8 million each.
• 2:46:13
  SPEAKER_22: Tax filings show that Bloomberg provided the grants through its eponymous charity, the Bloomberg Family Foundation, one of the country's most influential charities, that focuses on climate activism.
• 2:46:26
  SPEAKER_22: The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee opened the investigation into the center last year, stating that its activities raise questions as to whether participating state attorneys general are acting on independent judgment to best serve the interest of their state citizens.
• 2:46:41
  SPEAKER_22: In a statement to the free beacon, the oversight committee chairman, Representative James Comer, said that he remained concerned that the city's that the center undermined public integrity and pushed radical Democrat policies that increase energy costs for Americans despite billing itself as non-partisan.
• 2:47:03
  SPEAKER_22: The committee is glad to see that this center will no longer be in operation.
• 2:47:11
  SPEAKER_22: The Wisconsin Senate also created a committee to coordinate with the investigation, saying outside influence from highly self-interested sources is unacceptable.
• 2:47:22
  SPEAKER_22: That's committee's uh that uh committee's chair, Wisconsin State Senate President, Mary Fezelowski, said at the time, in addition to that probe, two Wisconsin groups that represent uh dairy farmers sued the state attorneys general over his office's arrangement with the center, arguing that it gives the center unique insider access and influence over the DOJ's work on agricultural and other environmental issues.
• 2:47:47
  SPEAKER_22: The February 2025 complaint suggested that the center's fellow had coordinated enforcement actions Wisconsin had taken against dairy farmers.
• 2:47:56
  SPEAKER_22: An oral ruling in that case is scheduled for later this month, according to court documents.
• 2:48:02
  SPEAKER_22: So again, this was a Bloomberg-backed climate group that was paying the salaries of Democrat state attorney generals, and that just quietly shut down the moment there was any sort of examination whatsoever of what they were actually up to.
• 2:48:20
  SPEAKER_22: I had a dear friend of mine, Drew Lee, used to say this phrase all the time.
• 2:48:25
  SPEAKER_22: Rules are for suckers.
• 2:48:29
  SPEAKER_22: This goes back to what I said a moment ago, too.
• 2:48:31
  SPEAKER_22: What isn't corrupt at this point in time?
• 2:48:33
  SPEAKER_22: What haven't we discovered yet?
• 2:48:36
  SPEAKER_22: I mean, there's a direct line to what we saw regarding USAID.
• 2:48:42
  SPEAKER_22: What's happened in the wake of shutting that program down?
• 2:48:46
  SPEAKER_22: How a lot of the protests that had taken place across the country for many, many years suddenly went silent during the summer months.
• 2:48:54
  SPEAKER_22: Suddenly now you have elections being won overseas by right-wing candidates where they never had before.
• 2:49:05
  SPEAKER_22: All this money that's being funneled through and where it's going the moment that it comes under any scrutiny, like in this case, and they just quietly go and shut down amidst all of it, hoping to run from it.
• 2:49:18
  SPEAKER_22: And they'll probably be successful in doing so.
• 2:49:21
  SPEAKER_22: The other question I have is how much damage was done?
• 2:49:25
  SPEAKER_22: How much money was given to push these agendas?
• 2:49:32
  SPEAKER_22: As we run through a few of these stories before we wrap up the show today.
• 2:49:36
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, this one's also from Alpha News sticking with the fraud.
• 2:49:40
  SPEAKER_22: Minnesota is still using a COVID-era waiver allowing SNAP applicants to provide verbal signatures by phone without an audio recording.
• 2:49:54
  SPEAKER_22: But there's a discrepancy between state and federal descriptions of the waiver scope.
• 2:50:00
  SPEAKER_22: State Representative Kristen Robbins is concerned about potential fraud and is questioning the waiver's necessity and safeguards.
• 2:50:08
  SPEAKER_22: She's urging a review of the waiver and other COVID-era waivers to ensure that they are still appropriate to prevent fraud.
• 2:50:38
  SPEAKER_22: While the USDA says it applies fewer than 10,000 applicant households, including elderly and tribal communities.
• 2:50:48
  SPEAKER_22: So Robbins, the chair of the Minnesota House Fraud and Prevention State Oversight Policy Committee, she wants answers about the waiver, its extension, and if there's any safeguards.
• 2:50:57
  SPEAKER_22: The waiver allows counties and tribal nations to accept verbal signatures on SNAP applications.
• 2:51:04
  SPEAKER_22: Their renewals and recertification forms without retaining an audio recording of the household's attestations and agreements to the information provided.
• 2:51:18
  SPEAKER_22: This is instead of physically signing the documents.
• 2:51:21
  SPEAKER_22: You know, I've talked about this many times on the show.
• 2:51:24
  SPEAKER_22: When we talk about low barriers of entry, this is what I'm talking about.
• 2:51:28
  SPEAKER_22: Making it as easy as humanly possible for individuals to go and take advantage of what is ultimately, in my opinion, a redistribution of wealth.
• 2:51:40
  SPEAKER_22: Robbins says it's sort of a double whammy.
• 2:51:43
  SPEAKER_22: Both that we're using telephonic signature at all and that we're not keeping a record of it.
• 2:51:48
  SPEAKER_22: Now, Snap provides food assistance to more than 40 million Americans, including 450,000 Minnesotans.
• 2:51:55
  SPEAKER_22: Now the information comes from the department news release shared with the Center Square by Robbins, but it's also publicly available.
• 2:52:03
  SPEAKER_22: There is no 10,000 household limit or restriction to specific household types, according to a department spokesperson.
• 2:52:11
  SPEAKER_22: Minnesota's Snap Telephonic Signature waiver is available to all households at application, renewal, and recertification.
• 2:52:20
  SPEAKER_22: Now, when you push back on this, the argument you're gonna get is that you are gonna make it more difficult for people to go and get these needed SNAP reimbursements, right?
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_22: That's gonna be the argument.
• 2:52:36
  SPEAKER_22: When the reality is no, as you and I are very well aware, just like IDs when it comes to voting, no, this would be a means to make sure that the individuals who are receiving SNAP are actually legitimately receiving SNAP.
• 2:52:52
  SPEAKER_22: When sent a follow-up question about the discrepancy between the federal and state descriptions of the waiver, the USDA did not respond.
• 2:53:00
  SPEAKER_22: The state says the waiver is intended to reduce administrative burdens.
• 2:53:05
  SPEAKER_22: Oh, it's so difficult.
• 2:53:07
  SPEAKER_22: Oh, it's so hard.
• 2:53:09
  SPEAKER_22: And delays in processing benefits.
• 2:53:12
  SPEAKER_22: Robbins questioned whether those administrative benefits outweigh the potential difficulty of auditing an application when there's no recording of the applicant's verbal attestation.
• 2:53:25
  SPEAKER_22: The telephonic signature waiver was initially implemented during COVID-19's pandemic when government agencies adopted temporary changes intended to allow benefits and other services to continue while limiting in-person interactions.
• 2:53:38
  SPEAKER_22: Robbins questioned why Minnesota continues to seek extensions after the federal public health emergency ended.
• 2:53:44
  SPEAKER_22: I hadn't even gotten to that part yet.
• 2:53:47
  SPEAKER_22: That part being that the COVID-19 pandemic has been over for a long time.
• 2:53:53
  SPEAKER_22: Why is there any extension on these waivers at all?
• 2:53:57
  SPEAKER_22: She said the state should consider exemptions for people who are medically unable to provide a traditional signature, but questioned whether the accommodation should remain the standard process for SNAP applicants.
• 2:54:11
  SPEAKER_22: Robin says she does not know why Minnesota has continued requesting the waiver, which prompted her to seek information from the state and federal officials about how frequently the process is used and why it even remains necessary at all.
• 2:54:24
  SPEAKER_22: Her concerns come as the federal officials have increased scrutiny amid the reports of the widespread fraud.
• 2:54:29
  SPEAKER_22: Robin said she worked with the USDA Inspector General John Walk, who investigated the SNAP fraud in Minnesota, including cases involving the trafficking of SNAP benefits.
• 2:54:39
  SPEAKER_22: She questioned whether federal officials responsible for administering the waiver were aware of the concerns about its continued use.
• 2:54:48
  SPEAKER_22: My guess is at the leadership level, like Inspector Walk, they probably weren't aware of it, Robin said.
• 2:54:55
  SPEAKER_22: Robbins went on to say she hopes to bring the waiver to the attention of federal officials and that it will prompt a broader review not only of the Minnesota Snap waiver, but of many other waivers that also remain in place.
• 2:55:08
  SPEAKER_22: Robin said the goal of providing benefits to eligible Minnesotans should be balanced with safeguards that allow applications to be certified and audited.
• 2:55:18
  SPEAKER_22: Even outside of the Minnesota legislative session, Robin said she would continue pressing state and federal officials on fraud safeguards.
• 2:55:28
  SPEAKER_22: I want Minnesota to know that I'm paying attention and I am fighting to shut down fraud, even though we are not in session.
• 2:55:37
  SPEAKER_22: Boy, a lot of common themes in the show this morning, and this is just another one.
• 2:55:42
  SPEAKER_22: How many other low barriers of entry have not been examined wherein individuals are so easily able to go and obtain these types of social welfare programs?
• 2:55:59
  SPEAKER_22: And go.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_22: And conduct their acts of fraud as well.
• 2:56:05
  SPEAKER_22: This goes back to me being governor with Lieutenant Governor Catherine Johnson.
• 2:56:10
  SPEAKER_22: So we need a fraud team to examine every single aspect of it.
• 2:56:15
  SPEAKER_22: Alright, let's wrap on this.
• 2:56:17
  SPEAKER_22: I haven't had a chance to get into the details of it, but an ICE agent shot a man in North Austin on Sunday, sent him to the hospital, according to a city official.
• 2:56:28
  SPEAKER_22: At a press conference, Austin mayor Kirk Watson said the individual who was shot was in serious but stable condition.
• 2:56:35
  SPEAKER_22: In the wake of this, Fox News Digital did an investigation revealing that the shooting of the Venezuelan man by an ICE agent in Austin, Texas, sparked protests that were organized by socialist and communist groups.
• 2:56:50
  SPEAKER_22: They wanted individuals to believe that this was a grassroots protest of community members coming out to defend an illegal alien who came into contact with ICE.
• 2:57:02
  SPEAKER_22: No, this was socialist and communist groups that were perpetuating an idea that this was grassroots.
• 2:57:09
  SPEAKER_22: These groups, including the Democrat Socialists of America and the Party for Socialism and Liberation, used their networks to promote the protests and amplify their anti-ICE message.
• 2:57:21
  SPEAKER_22: The investigation also highlighted the involvement of the Singham network.
• 2:57:25
  SPEAKER_22: We've talked about them before on the show, which allegedly aims to create chaos in the U.S.
• 2:57:31
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, the media accounts reported that the protesters were quickly organized and spontaneous at the anti-ICE protests in Austin.
• 2:57:40
  SPEAKER_22: This shooting occurred on Sunday afternoon.
• 2:57:43
  SPEAKER_22: Authorities said that an ICE officer shot Wilbur Rafael Garcias Perez, a 28-year-old Venezuelan national during a traffic stop.
• 2:57:51
  SPEAKER_22: Perez was hospitalized with serious but stable condition, later placed into federal custody.
• 2:57:55
  SPEAKER_22: Local officials said Austin police weren't involved in the shooting, which is being investigated by the federal authorities and assistance from the FBI.
• 2:58:03
  SPEAKER_22: Yeah, if you come in contact with law enforcement, it's best to go and do what they say.
• 2:58:08
  SPEAKER_22: In the initial press conference, one of the law enforcement uh officers uh locally, the spokesperson, pushed back on some of the false narratives that were already being pushed by local media.
• 2:58:20
  SPEAKER_53: Can you hear from how many shots?
• 2:58:22
  SPEAKER_48: I believe it was one gunshot.
• 2:58:25
  SPEAKER_54: And then, Chief Davis, I would just like to know if you've received any kind of briefing whatsoever about the type of operation that was going on at the time of this shooting.
• 2:58:34
  SPEAKER_54: Any of that, any of those details.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_31: I have not.
• 2:58:36
  SPEAKER_31: I do not have those details as of yet.
• 2:58:38
  SPEAKER_46: Chief Davis, we heard from a councilman over at the scene earlier that a car was or that a federal agent's car sideswiped the driver involved in this shooting and was shot through the back windshield multiple times.
• 2:58:50
  SPEAKER_46: Can you confirm those details?
• 2:58:52
  SPEAKER_31: That's not what I'm hearing.
• 2:58:53
  SPEAKER_31: Uh I'm hearing that it was out on foot.
• 2:58:55
  SPEAKER_31: So again, this is the this is the of getting in front of the camera too soon without without the information.
• 2:59:00
  SPEAKER_31: But um, from what I'm hearing, uh there was a a small foot pursuit.
• 2:59:03
  SPEAKER_31: But again, this is all very preliminary.
• 2:59:06
  SPEAKER_22: And we'll certainly keep an eye on what this investigation yields to find out the exact circumstances of uh what uh transpired.
• 2:59:12
  SPEAKER_22: I think the most noteworthy part of this whole thing is that this grassroots protest that took place was anything but tomorrow on the show.
• 2:59:21
  SPEAKER_22: I'll bring you details on a DHS lawyer saying the Minnesota judges coordinated to block immigration enforcement here in the state.
• 2:59:30
  SPEAKER_22: Also, we'll talk artificial intelligence with David Garttenstein Ross at uh 6 30 tomorrow.
• 2:59:35
  SPEAKER_22: Um between now and tomorrow, we'll certainly work on our connectivity uh issues.
• 2:59:39
  SPEAKER_22: I think I might have a solution to how to fix it, and we'll address that as soon as we uh wrap things up today.
• 2:59:44
  SPEAKER_22: Uh, thank you so much for being patient and sorry for the technical problems that we had today.
• 2:59:48
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• 2:59:52
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• 3:00:00
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• 3:00:14
  SPEAKER_22: I hope you have a fantastic rest of your Tuesday, and I look forward to talking with you once again tomorrow, starting at 6 a.m.
• 3:00:22
  SPEAKER_22: God bless, and I'll talk to you then.