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Gold Tiger Talk · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Fall Territory Network, a d Troy Tiger's podcast. I
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  Speaker 1: am Kieren Steckley with me as always a man who
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  Speaker 1: has traveled down many a country road, but never to
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  Speaker 1: West Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen. How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, good call Kieren. I've literally never been to the
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  Speaker 3: state of West Virginia. You're right. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: you actually knew that, but that is factually correct.
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  Speaker 1: I took a little bit of a chance because obviously
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  Speaker 1: he spent some time covering the Oklahoma Sooners, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was entirely possible, but I felt confident, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a confidence called there
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  Speaker 1: for your boy, and glad I got it right.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I the year the Sooners played in Morgantown, my colleague
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  Speaker 3: went out there and I watched the game at Barry
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  Speaker 3: Switzer's house. So I won that deal.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a great deal. That's like Jack Flaherty
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  Speaker 1: trade level went right there for you, Cody. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So we are recording this Sunday, October twentieth. Obviously, not
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of happenings on with the Tigers. So
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate everybody listening to us as we go through
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  Speaker 1: this offseason, which, as everybody knows, will be one of
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  Speaker 1: the more interesting and fun off seasons. And sometime in
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  Speaker 1: Tiger Land. We spent a lot of time last week
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  Speaker 1: Cody talking about Scott Harris kind of aj Hinch, but
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  Speaker 1: we joked he didn't really say that much Scott Harris's end
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  Speaker 1: of year press conference and the things he said and
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  Speaker 1: didn't say, and we just couldn't get.
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  Speaker 2: To some actual topical news. So we'll do that now.
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  Speaker 1: Jake Rogers of West Texas Fame was named a finalist
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  Speaker 1: for the Globe Glove, obviously at the catcher position. So
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  Speaker 1: congratulations to Jake. That's awesome. No Riley Green, though, So
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'll kind of phrase it like this for you, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: what's a bigger what kind of rises to the top there?
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  Speaker 1: When you saw the Goal Glove finalists? What rises to
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  Speaker 1: the top? Is it Jake Rogers being a finalist or
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  Speaker 1: the fact that Riley Green, despite impressive defensive numbers, getting
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  Speaker 1: left out of top three there?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it's like a like a
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  Speaker 3: Midwest chip on the shoulder type thing or what. But
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  Speaker 3: when the finalists came out, I was like, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: catcher is obviously going to be listed before outfield. So
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  Speaker 3: I went to catchers, like, all right, Jake's going to
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  Speaker 3: be on here right, like he's not going to get screwed.
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  Speaker 3: But when he clearly deserves to be a Gold Glove
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  Speaker 3: finalist and I saw he was on there, I was like, Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: good who And I I really just expected Riley would
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  Speaker 3: be on there. I mean, the metrics are just overwhelmingly
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  Speaker 3: in his favor. I kind of thought he would be
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  Speaker 3: more likely than Jake. I just thought maybe some other
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  Speaker 3: catcher with like more name slash brand recognition could get
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  Speaker 3: it over Jake. And when I saw Riley wasn't on there,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, what, Like, what is this based on?
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  Speaker 3: This seems ridiculous. The Gold Glove vote, we looked it up.
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  Speaker 3: It's I believe seventy five percent managers and coaches and
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  Speaker 3: then twenty five percent from the saber metric community. So
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  Speaker 3: it's an interesting formula they use to determine who will
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  Speaker 3: win the Gold Glove. Riley Green. You know, whether you're
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  Speaker 3: going by outs above average defensive unsaved whatever you want.
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  Speaker 3: Had quite a compelling case in left field. I mean
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  Speaker 3: literally had the best case metrically of any American league
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  Speaker 3: left fielder. Maybe you could argue, well, he didn't play
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  Speaker 3: all his innings and left and he missed some time,
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  Speaker 3: but he was really he was really good out there.
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  Speaker 3: I'm stunned he was not aleast a finalist.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he also had highlight plays.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, one of the calling cards of the
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  Speaker 1: Gold Glove Award, if you wanted to knock it for
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  Speaker 1: its significance, would be I would say, I can only
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  Speaker 1: speak for our generation, Cody, but if it did kind
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  Speaker 1: of feel like a highlight award. A lot of times
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  Speaker 1: we've joked before about like now, yeah number two, Uh,
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  Speaker 1: like the best outfielders aren't making the diving plays because
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  Speaker 1: they're better positioned and they get better jumps and better
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  Speaker 1: reads and you know that kind of thing. Uh So,
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  Speaker 1: just to recap everybody, Colton Kowser, Orioles, Stephen Kwang, Guardians,
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  Speaker 1: Alex Verdugo Yankees were the finalists. You could tell I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking at the MLB right up right now. You could
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  Speaker 1: tell that, like it's Verdugo is like a distant third
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  Speaker 1: on there in no disrespect for two Verdugo, but there's
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  Speaker 1: like two cents or two one really long sense about
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  Speaker 1: Kwan who we don't Tigers fans don't need to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: question why Kwan's a finalist as like Alser, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, he was second among left fielders with
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  Speaker 1: plus eight outs of average, and then Verdugo, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: here's his defensive run saves and he had seven assists,
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  Speaker 1: six defensive run saves and seven assists. Uh So so
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of like, all right, here's Dugo's thing.
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  Speaker 1: So there are to me, there wasn't a compell argument
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  Speaker 1: against Riley Green being a Gold Glove finalist. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion, should he have like won the Gold Glove,
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't be like, oh that's surprising, like it fits
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  Speaker 1: what my eyes watched. The disheartening thing there is that
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  Speaker 1: the coaches part of it, like are is it? Like
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  Speaker 1: to me, it just kind of feels like another example
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  Speaker 1: of Riley slash you know, honestly the Tigers in general,
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  Speaker 1: because this stuff is done before the regular or before
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  Speaker 1: the postseason you know, begin right, So so like this
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  Speaker 1: nice playoff run that the Tigers had, uh was not
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  Speaker 1: on the conscious of these voters and and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's.
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  Speaker 1: Another example of the Tigers being I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's overlooked as the right phrase, but just sort of
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  Speaker 1: not at the level of consciousness that I certainly believe,
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  Speaker 1: I believe you and certainly Tigers fans feel like they
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  Speaker 1: deserve you know, so like it does feel like a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a slight there. And I know it's
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  Speaker 1: not apples to apples, okay, but when you got a
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  Speaker 1: guy like Juan Soto, who I love and we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about later for a different reason, but there is
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read it right. There's no actual good
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  Speaker 1: reason for Wan Soto to be a Gold Glove finalist.
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  Speaker 1: It is honestly a joke. Here's what the MLB dot
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  Speaker 1: com right up included. He had ten outfields assists, all right,
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  Speaker 1: good on him, also made positive contributions for the team
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  Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the wall. If that's not
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  Speaker 1: throwing like, uh, you know, throwing in the towel about
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  Speaker 1: why he's a finalist, I don't know what is now
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  Speaker 1: again not apples to apples, But at the end of
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  Speaker 1: in twenty years, people are gonna look at the twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four season and they're gonna see Riley Green not
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  Speaker 1: a go glove, one Soto Gold Glove finalists, and the
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  Speaker 1: assumption is gonna be that one Soda was a better
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  Speaker 1: defender just because you know, the back of the baseball card,
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  Speaker 1: the Baseball Reference page says.
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  Speaker 3: It, you know what I mean, negative five outs above average,
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  Speaker 3: negative one defensive run saved, Like there is just nothing
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  Speaker 3: that really indicates he should be a Gold Glove finalist.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't watch one solo every single day, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll include the eye test in there too, Like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the talking point through a lot of this year was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: well he's improved. He's improved from being a pretty bad
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  Speaker 3: outfielder to a not as bad outfielder. And I guess
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  Speaker 3: because he's won SODO and plays in New York. He
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  Speaker 3: was a Gold Club finalist. Yeah, you compare that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: over to Riley Green and left field, and it just
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  Speaker 3: makes no sense. I haven't quite wrapped my head around
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  Speaker 3: this one. And then maybe you look at the criteria
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, so like how does this work exactly?
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  Speaker 3: And what is the sabermetric community and how did. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think like the old Fielding Bible system plays a
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  Speaker 3: large role in it. But how do they then merge
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  Speaker 3: these two votes? I personally don't even know the answer
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  Speaker 3: to that question, and maybe that speaks to some flaws
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  Speaker 3: in the gold Glove process.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta hold rallyings accountable, man like this is uh,
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  Speaker 1: gotta gotta gotta be better than that, which also raises
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  Speaker 1: an interesting question. So not to overlook Jake Rogers being
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  Speaker 1: a finalist, that's that's awesome, any very very much deserved
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  Speaker 1: and and a guy that I do believe is getting
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  Speaker 1: his due diligence. Just you listen, you watch the playoff
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  Speaker 1: games and the way that they talked about Jake Rogers,
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  Speaker 1: and you know how he kind of became the face
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  Speaker 1: of the don't let the Tigers get hot thing. I
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  Speaker 1: do believe he's getting his just deserve. So that's that's great.
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  Speaker 1: But I did want to pose an interesting question here.
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  Speaker 1: So part of the like the reputation for the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: over the past couple of years at least when you
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  Speaker 1: know what they're trying to do is trying to be
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  Speaker 1: really sound defensively and George Lombard, who I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if there's a follow up, there's a lot of credit
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  Speaker 1: for the outfield play. But you know, I guess he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be in consideration for the White Sox. If that's
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  Speaker 1: what he wants to do, I hope he does it.
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  Speaker 1: That's I'm never gonna root against somebody to get a
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  Speaker 1: job promotion. So if that's what he wants to do,
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  Speaker 1: I hope he does it.
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  Speaker 3: It's not really what he wants to do, George, is
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  Speaker 3: that what he wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he does whatever he wants to do. I
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  Speaker 1: hope he stays. But these jobs are hard to come by.
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  Speaker 1: He would be as deserving as anybody. But there are
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  Speaker 1: some candidates. So Jake Rogers, Riley Greenley talks about Parker Meadows.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's kind of interesting talking point Cody or
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  Speaker 1: Ponderie if you would who is most likely to win
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  Speaker 1: a gold Glove?
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  Speaker 2: First?
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  Speaker 1: Like who will be the next Detroit Tiger to win
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  Speaker 1: a gold Glove? Because I think there are scenarios at
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  Speaker 1: play that you know, lead yourself in either direction, so
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  Speaker 1: that the Jake Rodgers thing is easy. He's a finalist,
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  Speaker 1: we know what he does. But catchers also, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a hard position. There's a there's a there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of guys that have had peak years and then
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  Speaker 1: you know come down in efficiency or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's just it's a hard position. We all know this.
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green, there's the injury concern, you know, that played
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  Speaker 1: itself out in a way this year as well. And
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  Speaker 1: then Parker Meadows. You could throw injuries in there too
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  Speaker 1: if you wanted to, just for the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: way he plays and how much he relies on his legs.
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  Speaker 1: But as great as I almost feel bad saying this
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  Speaker 1: for the way that he had to put you know,
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  Speaker 1: his postseason play with a hit in every game, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's not something that you can go to
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  Speaker 1: the bank that he's going to hit at a high
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  Speaker 1: enough level to warrant the you know, warrant the amount
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  Speaker 1: of at bats that he would get, like is definitely
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  Speaker 1: within range that like Parker Meto's peaked at the plate,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's something that could happen. So
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  Speaker 1: or and maybe there's somebody I miss in there too,
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  Speaker 1: like jayse No, I'm just kidding, but like, is there
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  Speaker 1: any uh, come on, it's funny, it's funny. I could
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  Speaker 1: poke fun with my fellow Big twelve brethren, who do
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  Speaker 1: you do you have a leading horse in this race? Cody,
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  Speaker 1: about who you think could be like the next to
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  Speaker 1: win a Gold Glove, Which, again, we could be talking
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  Speaker 1: about this and it turns out as Jake Rodgers, like
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  Speaker 1: you know for all we know, but like, who do
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  Speaker 1: you think is kind of the next.
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  Speaker 2: Guy who could win a Gold Glove.
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  Speaker 3: For this team? Yeah, that's a really interesting question. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a singular leader. It's kind
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  Speaker 3: of crazy. The Tigers haven't had a Gold Glove winner
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  Speaker 3: since Ian Kinsler in twenty sixteen. It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 3: They're kind of due to have a gold Glove winner, right.
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  Speaker 3: I think you just named guys who have a good
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  Speaker 3: chance to be in the running for years to come.
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  Speaker 3: Jake Parker Riley. I want to talk about the Parker
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  Speaker 3: thing for a second, because you talked about the highlights
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  Speaker 3: like it's easy to be like this guy's gotta win
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  Speaker 3: a gold Glove, right, And Parker Medows is an incredible
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  Speaker 3: defender and I think will be in the running so
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  Speaker 3: long as his bat allows him to play enough innings
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  Speaker 3: in the major leagues. But it's also very hard to
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  Speaker 3: win a Gold Glove in centerfield because every team's center
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  Speaker 3: fielder is generally a pretty good defender. Every team, not
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  Speaker 3: every team, but probably twenty five of the thirty teams
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  Speaker 3: out there think they have the best center fielder in
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  Speaker 3: the league. That's why it can be tough for centerfielders
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  Speaker 3: to accumulate metrics defensive runs safe. You're measured against the
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  Speaker 3: league average, and the league average is really high. As
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  Speaker 3: long as Dalton Varshow and Jaron Zaran are playing center
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  Speaker 3: field in the American League, you're gonna have an uphill
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  Speaker 3: battle to win the Gold Glove. You're gonna have to
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  Speaker 3: outdo Julio Rodriguez. You're gonna like it's just not going
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  Speaker 3: to be a given. He could rob twelve home runs
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  Speaker 3: next year and doesn't guarantee he's going to win the
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  Speaker 3: Gold Glove. I think Parker has a great case. I
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  Speaker 3: think Jake has a case. I would almost lean toward
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  Speaker 3: Riley being more likely, just because it is left field.
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  Speaker 2: If he plays.
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  Speaker 3: Lessenings in center and doesn't get hurt next year, uh,
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  Speaker 3: he could really put up some incredible metric totals and
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  Speaker 3: left that can make a lot of sense. And then
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  Speaker 3: how about a little dark horse here. I in spring
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  Speaker 3: training for a couple of years, I've said, you know who,
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  Speaker 3: I think the single best defender at their position in
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  Speaker 3: this system is Casey Mice. Picture. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if Casey Mice is gonna be on the mound enough
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  Speaker 3: or on the mound at all, or I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: what the young man's future holds, but I think miz
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  Speaker 3: is a great defensive pitcher. And you know who has
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  Speaker 3: become a very good defensive pitcher in their own right,
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  Speaker 3: Trek Scooble. So how about we get a picture as
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  Speaker 3: the next Tiger to win a gold Glove.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the outside I thought you were. I
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  Speaker 2: thought you were going with Uh. I like those. I
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  Speaker 2: like those.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, like I never felt Casey was
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  Speaker 1: out of sorts whenever he is asked to uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: whenever he's put in play defensively, basically, I never Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that's because sometimes that's all you're looking for is
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  Speaker 1: from your picture, is like, you know, can you at
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  Speaker 1: least like recognize be at the right spot, you know,
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  Speaker 1: chemistry with the first baseman to be able to run
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  Speaker 1: the right route, throw the right you know.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah, blah.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna holler back to like Jack McKinstry,
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  Speaker 1: who was a recent finalist at the Utility reality.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you can't roll that out either. I mean
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  Speaker 3: Matt Vierling and I mean he's got to probably play
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  Speaker 3: a little better at third, but yeah, Utility is a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a dark horse there. I mean Willie
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  Speaker 3: Castro was now a Gold Glove final I was gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask you, I don't know anything about.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, did you have a reaction to that?
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  Speaker 3: I was just checking my phone seeing who all was
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  Speaker 3: gonna text me about it. I didn't. I didn't get
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  Speaker 3: any of the Tiger's brass giving me crap for that.
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  Speaker 3: So I was relieved there. But look, I would he
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  Speaker 3: deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: Good for Willy gold Glove finalist and an All Star
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  Speaker 1: uh and like the one of the like whatever the
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  Speaker 1: whatever the Twins equivalent of like grit is you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. Like that's like like he was like
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  Speaker 1: portrayed as like their kind of guy, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: Good for Willy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say like anything against Willy, but
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  Speaker 1: it would have been a great to see him work
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  Speaker 1: out in Detroit. Glad his second chance turned out to
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  Speaker 1: be you know, fruitful, but doesn't mean I can't chuckle
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  Speaker 1: at stuff like this, you know, or just be like
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  Speaker 1: damn it seriously, Like when when it's you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: twins and Tiger's neck and neck to make the playoffs there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, is Willy Castro about to kill my postseason dreams?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You know what I mean. It's just like you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like perfect, you know. Uh So, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: good for Willy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Fielding Bible, uh you know, page
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  Speaker 1: right now for the Tigers and they have a total
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  Speaker 1: run say uh metric and they gave Riley Green fourteen
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  Speaker 1: total runs saved and Jake Rogers at thirteen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it was number three. Maybe this could be your utility, Andy.
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  Speaker 3: Abanyez Andy, Andy's really good at second. I'm not sure
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  Speaker 3: he's great at other positions, but he's really good at second.
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  Speaker 1: So now, and for a record, Parker metals was five,
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  Speaker 1: but you would imagine how he played a whole year.
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  Speaker 3: That number would be higher.
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  Speaker 1: So uh so yeah, that's uh, you want guys like
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  Speaker 1: this to kind of be in the discussion because again.
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  Speaker 2: Like we we feel like.
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  Speaker 1: We know the Tigers can be at least outfield wise,
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  Speaker 1: like really good defensively, like they are capable of being
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  Speaker 1: very good defensively. We don't know how. And we know
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  Speaker 1: like the pitching and the pitching system. We feel good
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  Speaker 1: about that, and and the bats, you know, fall So.
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  Speaker 2: You got to be good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like you gotta be really good at
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  Speaker 1: two out of three things, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: at least in order to kind of steady course and
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  Speaker 1: then make make your move. And so it'd be nice
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  Speaker 1: if I think it'd be a great thing for the organization,
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  Speaker 1: if that was kind of like an organizational reputation that
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: they're consistently getting. Guys in this discussion, you know, it'd
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: be nice of First Base was including that. But that's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a discussion for literally the entire offseason.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: So we have plenty of time for that.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's move to a favorite it's topical and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: a favorite talking point amongst Tiger fans, and we're gonna
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: have god probably until March to talk about it, I bet,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And that is one Soto ALCS hero Juan Soto. When
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: we were on the Foul Territory Show, we got asked
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: about it, and you're getting asked about it on X.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I'm getting asked about it on X. By the way,
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: it's at Cody Stavenhagen, I am at Curan Underscore, Steckley
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: pot Page at Tiger Territory Underscore Plug. I keep finding
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: myself like I don't mind talking about it, but I
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: also don't have like a lot of depth to like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to say, whereas like my answer is always it's not
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: going to happen, Like the question is pose a lot
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: is like why wouldn't they?
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I don't have an.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Answer for you there there there's not a why wouldn't they?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Except I just know that they're not. And again, Scott
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Harris offer applies just leaked that you offered him. You
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: don't even have to you don't even have to actually
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: offer him. The contract just leaked. That Scott Boris is
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna be upset at all that it leaked that
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you offered a contract because then he gets to create
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: more of a market.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: But I just don't I don't see it happening because
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: it's not the organizationalmo at this point, right.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And even if you go back to.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Like how AJ's teams in Houston were built, they weren't
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: built by signing seven million dollar contracts. Now, they made
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: aggressive moves and they went and got talent, but they
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: didn't There's no Wan Soto type signing there in Houston
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: as they built it up and Scott Harris, all indications
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I have is that he's just not interested in getting
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: into that realm of team building and one Soto is
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: going to be it's his own. His situation is contract
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: situation is going to be its own little animal anyway
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: this offseason.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So that's my take.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I have another follow up, Cody, but like, as you
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: are getting questioned about it, which forces you to think
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Like what kind of.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Where is your head at as this pure hypothetical something
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: we know is not going to happen, but we're still
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: in theory could happen.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about it about it?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this is why I wanted to discuss
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: it was. I was doing my mailbag for the Athletic
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: You can you guys can go check that out. I
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: got a question from Andrew R basically asking about Wan Sodo,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and I to this point had kind of been like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: all right, I'm not even gonna give that the time
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of day because it's not gonna happen. That had kind
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: of been my stance, and the question kind of geared toward, well, okay,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: why would the Tigers not being on one soda? And
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I wrote like a couple hundred words of just gibberish,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm just gonna delete this because
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: it's stupid, and maybe we can talk about it and
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: more of an open format on the pod. So Andrew,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: I hope you're also a pod listener. I don't have
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a good answer for why other than it's expensive. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: then that leads to like, oh, so they're not going
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: to do it because they're cheap, and it's like, well,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I guess by definition sort of, but I like, I
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: don't think that's entirely it. They just the Tigers don't
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: seem to be in the business of handing out six
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollar contracts or maybe huge multi year free
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: agent deals to anyone. But I would argue, if there's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: anyone worth spending on, it's this guy. It's the best
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: young hitter of a generation, maybe two generations. I mean,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: it's Juan Soto and he's still very young, and you
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: were going to be paying for his prime years, and
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: granted it's gonna take a twelve or thirteen year deal
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: maybe to get him, and that's probably part of it.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, you know, we know how Miguel
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Cabrera's career ended. Maybe maybe that's part of why the
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Tigers wouldn't want to commit to such a contract. But hey,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: if you're trying to supplement a young core, why not
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: just pay Wan Soto? Why not just give him whatever.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: You're gonna make plenty of money just off tickets and
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: merchandise sales. Like when I start unpacking it, I'm like,
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: you know what, I don't know why they wouldn't at
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: least try. You can go, well, like they would have
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: a fully left handed outfield. What platoon splits don't really
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: apply a ton to Wan Soto. I do think like
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: another lefty bat would not impact him per se, but
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: like other hitters in the lineup might be more susceptible
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to facing lefty pit And it's like, okay, we're really
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: letting like platoon splits like it's her a team from
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: signing Juan Soto, Like what are we doing here? So
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: I have thought about this long and hard, and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: don't have a great answer for why the Tigers won't
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: be on on Jan Soto, but I still don't think
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: that they will. And I guess if you're looking for
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a simple answer, it is as simple as the price tag,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: because it's going to be astronomical as it should be,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: because the dude's going to be worth it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's very bonds at the plate, right, Like
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that's that's what we're.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the comp that's always thrown out Ted Williams,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Ted Williams, Would you like Ted Williams on your team?
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: I mean it's not my money, but I would absolutely
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: not have any problem signing the Wan Soto to whatever
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: is market rate, you know, and how very many years
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that is? Like if there was you already said it.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But if there was ever a case, this isn't a
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: twenty nine year old looking for a twelve year contract,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you know, like he's still like super I forget who
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: it was, like mon Soto is still younger than ex
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: player and I can't remember who it was, but it
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: was some guy that, uh, I can't remember, but it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: was one of those like eye opening things.
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Twenty five, I was about cern twenty six.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I would I would sign him to forty I would?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, because there's little evidence to suggest that the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thing you're signing for, which is his bat, is not
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: going to play long term. There is no evidence to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: suggest that, like none.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: And he's a Gold Glove finalist now and.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: He's a Cold Club finalist as as we talked about.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, so I.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Would love it, so like when I when I I
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm like splashing cold water, and it comes
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: across as something that I don't agree with, Like, yes,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I would, I am in favor of signing one sodo.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I just don't like see it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: So I don't give it as much, you know, as
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: much thought. And I mentioned this last week, but it's like,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you know, it's not Mike Illicic's Tigers, even Mike Ilich
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: might have even like passed on this. And also I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: think like there's not even if does it make the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Tigers cheap? I guess by definition. At the same time,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna have like a huge market,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: like it's gonna be two maybe three teams bidding for him.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Uh And he's just gonna sign with the Yankees anyway,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: because that's what stars do. And by the way, the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yankees are cheap by the standards of the Yankees.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Uh. That we grew up with.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: You know, Hal is not George, so like I don't
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: they're not gonna like sign Soto and then sign Bregman
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: or you know whatever. Like you know, I guess how
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: they feel about the World Series will kind of shape
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: that a little bit. But they're If they weren't the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: New York Yankees, Aaron Judge would have walked like he
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: was prepared to walk. They did not offer him a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: contract that he really liked. They had to tug at
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the emotional heartstrings for him to sign with the Yankees.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, that's a long way of saying, man
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: wanna be awesome, not gonna happen.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: So, uh, we go.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Let's transition to things that like are a little bit
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: more realistic. There's there's the corners that we talk about
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the Tigers need to address in some way. And we
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: were doing a little pre show prep Cody and you
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you threw out a name that could be a decent
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: trade guy to look at, and that is Yandi Diaz
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of the Tampa Bay Rays.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: You you did this research, It's gonna be in your
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: in your mailbag. So I don't want to step on
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: your toes. But when you just kind of threw that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: out there and I and I did my little research.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, makes a lot of sense, makes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: A lot of sense.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in a way, this released the SODO thing because
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to slowly think like, Okay, what are the
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Tigers actually going to do? Not even what they should do,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: not what would be the best? What is the Scott
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Harris Jeff Greenberg front office going to do? And in
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: my couple of years covering these guys, it seems like
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they're always thinking about something that I'm not and that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: most fans are not, and that most people they like
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: to get out of the box. I think we all
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: know that it doesn't always work. Sometimes it does, as
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: we saw with the their approach to pitching in the
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: second half, and I'm like, all right, I mean it
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: makes sense. Sign Alex Bragman, It makes sense, Signed Christian Walker.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know. These guys like their flexibility and their optionality,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and I think in terms of like Scott, it's less
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: about money and more like we talked about last week,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: like years and especially with all the young talent on
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the rise, like what if you have McGonagall in a
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: year or two and then maybe you finally move cold
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Keith to first, but you can't move cold Keith to
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: first for your paying Kristian Walker twenty four million dollars
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: And how you like these are? That is what this
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: front office wants to build around, is those guys. Yeah,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: you got to supplement it with some talent. Maybe a
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: way to do that is going to be the trade market. Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: So who makes sense well YONDI Diez. I don't know
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: if the Rays will trade him, but he seems like
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: a player they would trade. There's some rumors about him
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: moving around the time in the deadline didn't happen, but
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I believe he's gonna make ten mil next year twenty
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: twenty six. He has a team option for twelve million.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: He's not all that expensive. He would have a couple
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: years of him. This is a guy who won a
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: batting title last season, who has great bat to ball skills,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: great one base. He's a right handed hitter who had
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: a ops of well over nine hundred against against left
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: handed pitching, so he checks that box. He has posted
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: elite exit velocities for each of the past three seasons,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: so there's not much evidence to suggest that he's going
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: anywhere doesn't have a ton of home run power, but again,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: you just look at the ops against left handed pitching,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: like he can fill a role in the middle of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: your order. And the one downside is probably his defense.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: He used to play some third He's pretty terrible at it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: He'd still help over there in a pinch, which maybe
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: could apply here, and he grades out his below average
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: at first base, so I don't love that. But his
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: offensive profile, combined with the years and the price, seems
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: to make a ton of sense. And there's some other
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: guys out there, Ryan Mountcastle, Taylor Ward, We've talked about
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Brent Rooker, like, there are some hitters who could make
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: sense on the trade market. The deeper I look, I'm
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: not sure I like any of them more than Yondi Diaz.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what the Tiger's front office things
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: about this. I haven't asked them. They probably wouldn't tell
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: me anyway, but I have a feeling they're going to
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: do something. Just just signing Christian Walker just sounds too
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: easy for these guys. It just sounds too easy. So
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: what else because they do? For me? Man, I think
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: I'd be making a play for one Yondi Diaz.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a thought that checks every box,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: and so I give you credit for for identifying that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: You mentioned the defense. He was worth one point six
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: war in twenty twenty four, that's Baseball reference war forever,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, Torque was zero point three. So
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just comparing the two, just for the record, Oh, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: metrics makes sense. His contract, you want the Tigers to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: quote unquote spend. He's gonna get paid ten million dollars
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: this next season twenty twenty five, and then he has
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: a team option for or club option, you know the
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: most correct a club option for twelve million for the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six season. So that's flexibility. But it's also
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: a you know, it's it's it's more money for a
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: declining asset if you wanted to potentially the climbing asset.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I want to predict the future there if you wanted
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: to go down that route. So just for whatever it's worth,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: but also if you sign him, he would be a
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: potential trade piece. I don't even mean like selling trade piece,
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: but just like if you needed some help here, he
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: could be potentially one of the guys that you know,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: could get a decent return or whatever. That you're not
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like losing any long term flexibility for so, I just
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: want to make that clear. I'm not predicting the Tigers
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: will sell the trading deadline. So I like that idea.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I like the creativity of it. I believe they'll block
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: torqu when I see it. I mean, I'm not saying
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm just saying, like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: that's that's something. That's one of the first thoughts I had,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and he is, you know, you.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Know something else I did about uh when I was
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: looking at Yondi Diaz, like, look at Torque's FanGraph, his
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: baseball savant in pretend there's no name and no picture
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: on there. Would you want this guy?
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: It would be the blind resume, as they say, is
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: not in Torque's favor and uh and so so yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it'd be nice. I mean, I guess if you're gonna
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: have some optionality with the DH like Yandi obviously plays
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: into that, but the cost would be interesting because again,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: how many times are you trying to trade with the
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Rays when it's like are they trying you know, they
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: know something we don't know that that's the.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Kind of the one risk, maybe even more than the defense.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: You really want to make a trade with the Rays,
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: but we had Scott Harrison. He says, he doesn't think
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: about those things.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah he so, he says, real quick, Cody, we we
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: we've gotten some Just another interesting talking point as we
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: kind of wrap up this another off season pod of
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Tiger Territory. Yeah, anything to say about like the feel
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: good story of Justin Verlander potentially coming back.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Is a guy that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: You know, it did kind of feel weird. I understand
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: the reasons for it, but did kind of feel weird
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: to see him not on the AL wild card roster.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And I think it would be one of those great
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: things to see him come back to Detroit, especially if
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the team's good. I'm not sure that that fits. Again,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I keep going back to the m O stuff. I'm
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: not sure it fits the m O thing. I mean,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the aj hinch is a part of it too, with
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the feel good stuff. But you know, O meously, I
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: don't know what kind of market's gonna have either, So
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: sorry the game.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty fascinated to see what kind of deal
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Verlander gets. I mean, I could see one year eight million,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: or I could see you know, two years, forty something
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: million with a team option, Like I really have no idea,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: But where I come to is like I just don't
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: think he makes sense for the Tigers given their timeline.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: If the Tigers were still bad, yeah, why not bring
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: back JV. Maybe he can unlock another year some magic
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: and everyone feels happy and you sell some tickets and
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: you have a couple of promotion days for their current timeline,
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I think a forty one year old gone through some injuries,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: coming off a season where he had a five four
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: adra and yet still might carry a somewhat high price
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: tag just based off reputation, really makes no sense for
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the Tigers. Like, again, this is even what I'm gonna
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: be trying to do today and moving forward? Is thinking
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: even less myself and more like, Okay, what are Scott Harrison,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: Jeff Greenberg and ajhinchin whoever else is involved in these decisions?
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: What are they thinking? And I have a very tough
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: time seeing those men liking the idea of adding Justin
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Verlander this mix. Ver Lander, I mean, I'm in a
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: way he could probably help young players, but you'd also
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: be adding like a large personality to the mix, you know,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: could that disrupt your quote unquote culture, Like I don't know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe so not even say.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Anything slobal as face of the rotation.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: It would just when you add a guy like Justin Verlander,
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: it will change the feel of a room. And so
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: if you're gonna do that, I think you got to
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: be sure that that guy is going to be a
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: prime time performer. And at forty one, coming off a
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: bad season, I don't think you can be that confident
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: in Justin Verlander, and he might go on to pitch
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: well for somebody else. I don't think it makes sense
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: for the Zigers right now. Yeah, and.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things that would be really fun,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but you could also see a very real scenario where
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: like it's great for March spring training headlines, and then
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: like what if it just completely unravels and it's like
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  Speaker 1: bad for everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe more likely to happen if you weren't also
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  Speaker 3: paying kin to my ada, Like the last thing you
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  Speaker 3: need is to guys who are washed. You know, that
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  Speaker 3: would handcuff your the entire pitching staff.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good point, A lot of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: food for thought there, and uh, the Tigers guys by
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  Speaker 1: the edge of our seats. Man, I can't believe we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about all these topics with like the uh, like
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  Speaker 1: with the positive tone, not like with the with the
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  Speaker 1: reaching to try to try to get you know, relevant.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you know you could say so, Uh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: having a lot of fun. I hope you're having funk, Cody.
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  Speaker 1: I see your brain biscuits turning, and I could tell
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  Speaker 1: that there's gonna be some good content coming this offseason
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  Speaker 1: on the Athletic. You can read all that. If you're
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  Speaker 2: Turning the corner.
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  Speaker 1: tongue Twister there, Cody to end here, Tiger territory. Underscore
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  Speaker 1: thank you everybody for listening for Cody Stepenhagen. I am
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  Speaker 1: Kieren Steckley. Everybody have a great day.