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The Racers Roundtable: Jimmy Maguire · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Welcome to The Racers Roundtable, a podcast sponsored by the Eastern Museum
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  of Motor Racing where history meets horsepower and legends live on each
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  episode brings together voices from across the motor sports world, from grassroots
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  heroes to seasoned veterans as they share stories, insights, and behind the scenes
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  tales that shaped their racing journeys.
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  Whether you're a diehard fan of dirt tracks, drag strips, or open wheel icons.
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  The racers round table is your seat at the table for candid conversations and
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  timeless memories from those who lived it.
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  Strap in tight because it's time to talk.
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  Racing history one lap at a time.
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  We always put the best up here first, and then this is the rest.
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  Okay,
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  is this on?
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  Can people hear me?
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  Is this on?
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  I hope not, but I think it is.
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  I can't hear myself talking now.
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  I've stuck enough needles in him.
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  I, I want Ron Lauer to work on him here a little bit.
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  My best friend in racing with your, I know I sat side with your background.
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  I didn't realize until I read your resume.
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  Yeah, I think your daughter put it out.
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  I don't know.
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  I, I knew you were, you know, a RDC racer and in one races, and I knew
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  you were A RDC champion won race.
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  Stink.
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  That's when you were old and done.
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  Got a point there.
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  Anyhow, I want you to work on him a little bit.
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  I'm gonna step back from the, the microphone here a little bit.
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  I knew what this was all about.
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  See, Lynn knows that in a three hour segment like this, Jimmy's gotta
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  take at least six or seven deep breaths and I'm here to fill the gap.
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  But that's about it, right?
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  Well, actually I didn't know Jimmy when he was taking people out at her rides.
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  I was, I was just a kid.
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  And, uh, but when he had his, uh, accident and came back in the TQS and
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  N-A-R-D-C, I got to know Jimmy, and he really does have a great story.
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  When you go through the whole thing, you just don't have to hear it as many times.
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  That's all know
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  now, really the things you accomplished, I, I know you didn't
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  race as long with both arms as you did with one, and you won more races
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  with one arm than you did with two.
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  Yeah.
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  52 rashes total.
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  21 with two arms and three, one with one on them.
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  Now how many guys have done that?
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  Come on.
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  A he?
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  Yeah.
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  There you go.
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  Yeah.
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  But he had a hand, he just lost his hand.
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  He just, he just lost his hand.
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  I lost the hand.
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  See that's right here.
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  LER won 52 races two years in a row with one leg.
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  One leg.
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  Yeah.
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  And I ran, you are seeing, finished his fourth and points and won three race.
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  And I had my whole leg in a cast on the right side.
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  When I drove for Harry D and the way I worked the gas pedal, they gave me a test.
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  I took a hammer and I smashed the ball of the cast so I could work the work.
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  The gas pedal, they took two laps.
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  I just kept the, the gas pedal to the floor.
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  The first two blows went to the head though, I'll tell you that.
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  Two, two laps around the racetrack, but my foot to the foot and
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  say, okay, can run all way.
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  Some along in 62.
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  I goes, my crutches.
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  Get in the car and run the car.
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  Won a couple of races, did good.
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  Finish both points so you can run a car with one leg.
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  He should breathe soon.
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  I'm ready.
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  Okay, we're up here.
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  Lynn's not up here, so I don't know what in the world we're gonna talk about.
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  You wanna talk about it then, or.
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  About who?
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  Lynn.
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  Oh.
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  Oh, Mr. McCabe has a question for him.
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  What was it like racing with Hank Rogers, Jr. Oh, Hank was the buddy man.
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  He sold mine.
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  He sold, listen, his father, listen, let me tell you about Hank.
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  I wanted him down here so I could refute it.
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  We raced against each other.
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  A great guy.
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  He ran for Kalen for two years, didn't win the race, right?
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  So I appeared on the scene.
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  We were at the Check five pain club and he said, Hey, my, my
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  car owner's getting another car.
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  Would you like to drive?
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  Oh, I'd love to drive.
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  I didn't have a ride for a couple years.
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  So he got me a ride with Kaylin.
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  So I got in and of course I set my own cars up.
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  Kaylin doesn't set 'em up, right?
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  And that's why they never won.
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  So any, and I'm telling you, this is what happened.
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  Anyway, I set the car up and after a couple of races, I won a race.
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  So after I won a race, he set Hank's car up that way, and
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  Hank started to win races.
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  So all season long was back and forth.
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  I'd went and go ahead and point.
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  So finally I had a little alation one night at the race and some guy, uh.
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  Call me a bad name.
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  So I punch him in the mouth that, that, uh, suspended me for two races.
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  So then I was still up there and fighting for the championship, two races
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  to go the end of the season, Hank's about maybe 50 points ahead of me.
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  So we're going to two asphalt tracks.
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  Thompson, I forget what the, but I was good in asphalt.
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  Hank wasn't.
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  So what does his father do?
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  He fires me right at the racetrack.
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  I couldn't even get, I was with his father going to the racetrack and I had hitch
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  a ride from somebody else to go home and we were three oh oh miles away from home.
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  So anyway, Hank runs, I don't know, whatever it was, he wins the championship.
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  So of course the night of the championship, and I congratulate him, but
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  I kid with 'em all the time because I took my average, what I got for every race I
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  ran, an average every race that Hank got.
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  And if I had to ran the whole season, I would've won the
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  championship with the average.
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  If, you know, that doesn't always happen.
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  So anyways, father fired me and you know, I still stayed friends.
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  That's the way it was.
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  You know, guy had this swing about him once in a while and they fire guys.
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  We go to the banquet, congratulate Hank and congratulate everybody.
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  He finished first the championship.
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  I finished second, but I always tell Hank, Hank, you know, I
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  know you're the champion, but we were gonna make a decision.
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  We've put this before a judge, and I said, I made so many average
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  points per race and I even had so many average points per race.
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  If I ran the whole circuit, I'd beat you.
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  Right.
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  I said before court of law, I'd win the race, I'd win the championship.
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  So I was, so this is a ongoing thing with Hank and I, but he's officially
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  the A RDC champ for that year, and I finished second, but we always get
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  together and we river on that, you know?
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  So anyway, that's what we is, and it gets him fired up.
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  That's why I wanted him here today.
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  Get him fired up and he couldn't make it.
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  Great friend.
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  Great guy.
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  When you bump Wednesday out of that ride, that was over 60 years ago.
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  Do you realize that?
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  I know that, I know.
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  It was 1962 and it's 19 2 23.
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  So it's 60 years in 1 61 years.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  And I'm still here, so I must have done something.
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  Right before that, we had a racer, Richmond, Virginia.
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  I blew the engine to Harry D's car.
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  So there was another guy that wrecked his car.
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  So I said, Hey, can we change engines?
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  Okay, we up at Williams Grove.
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  It was a seven hour ride to Richmond.
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  We rode up, cut to Williams Grove at seven o'clock next Sunday morning.
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  We changed it.
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  Took the engine out of a bunch of guys, helped me.
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  We had a two by four in the field.
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  We had spectators watching.
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  Two by four.
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  We lifted the engine out, took the engine out of Brownie sky, went to put it in.
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  I had an eight tooth spine on the transmission heat at 10th.
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  By this time it was one o'clock in the afternoon.
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  There I ran the heat.
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  Bill hints ran like that was right.
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  He ran the heat, whatever he finished.
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  So anyway, we get up the next day, one o'clock we couldn't do.
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  I'm sitting there like this.
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  The car owner from cys or whatever cys car that he was driving.
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  The car owner came over personally and said to me, what are you gonna do now?
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  I said, well, I don't have a ride.
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  I'm out of, he said, well, I want you to run the car on the feature.
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  I said, what happened to Cy?
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  He said, I don't want in my race car.
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  So he said, I want a guy that stands on the gas pedal.
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  I know this.
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  Kyle, go Now what this car was, this was a USAC car, a good car.
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  So I said, I said to him, yeah, I'm a race car driver.
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  So on the way over there, once he grabs me, he said, where you going?
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  That's my race car.
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  I said, no, that guy owns the race car.
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  You're just a driver and he wants somebody that puts the foot to the floor.
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  So all I know is that's my reputation.
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  So I get in the race car, I start last in the race because first time
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  I'm driving the car and he qualified through the consolation race.
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  So I start back.
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  So I stepped on the gas bar.
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  Wow.
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  The going down the straightaway passed three cars.
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  I said, wow.
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  Kept my foot to the floor.
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  Passed before, you know, in four, five laps.
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  I was in second spot.
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  So I said, wow.
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  He said, good car.
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  So all of a sudden they had a red flag.
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  Big stop, crashed someplace.
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  They restart the race cookie os out is on the pole.
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  Now in those days you didn't start side by side, you start single file.
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  So Cook, we go in the corner.
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  I'm right behind Cookie Os out.
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  He spins right in front of me.
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  Well, when you spin, he lets the car roll up the racetrack.
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  I'm trying to go around the outside of my left front wheel,
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  hits his left rear wheel.
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  I do a series of Andover and flips, which made the front lane
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  paper of the illustrated news.
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  I end over and over and I land upside down.
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  Fortunately, I was okay because I held myself in the car, in the robot,
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  saved my life so I get outta the car.
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  So once he comes over afterwards and says to me, see that you wrecked the car.
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  That was my ride.
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  The car owner said, look boy, you're gonna run the car next week for me.
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  You fixed the car that was open and twisted.
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  You fixed the car all up.
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  The next week I ran the car at Abbot, stop the car.
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  In those days, the beat was the number 27, the Venetia car.
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  That was the car on the East Coast to beat.
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  Here I am, I got through the Tri Baytown here.
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  All of a sudden you see this guy in front of me.
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  Wow.
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  I got close to him and I didn't win the race.
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  They finished second, so the car was happy.
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  So that ended my ride, that car because, uh, the season was ended for URC.
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  The last race for URC was in Shelby, not Carolina work.
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  And I was auditioning for him.
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  He said, do you wanna ride my car there?
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  You don't?
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  Yeah, I'll ride a car.
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  Anyway, I go down there.
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  I was four.
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  I won the feature, sat in back, I won the feature.
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  That was my first feature with URC in 1962.
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  And I had the ride for the following year.
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  So when the following year started, now all, all went along.
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  I was a single guy, so I ate at his house every night.
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  I managed kids.
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  We had a good time.
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  I became part of John LAN's family.
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  So the season started about a week before USAC was gonna run Langhorn.
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  He said to me, Jim, I'm not gonna put you in the car.
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  You're too close to the family.
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  Langhorn is a killer racetrack in them days.
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  And he said, A lot of you young guys go wacky down there.
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  I was mad as heck.
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  I got so mad at him.
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  He put Bobby Marvin in.
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  He put Bobby in the car, same age as I was.
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  He was a crazy guy, but he was from Ohio.
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  Well, he gets in the car and kills himself.
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  He hit one of the chuck holes that I probably would've hit.
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  Goes in over in car catches, fires in them days where he had no fuel cells.
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  The car catches fire.
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  And of course you can't see the fire burning.
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  And you know what they had for a fire crew back in those days?
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  A truck with a one, one bottle on it to put the fire on.
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  Well, by the time he got to the car, 15 minutes later, it
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  was all burnt up and alcohol.
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  He couldn't see the fire.
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  Of course, he burned the dead.
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  The cow was surround.
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  So I went over and apologized that, John, thanks for not giving me a ride up.
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  This was a Sunday afternoon, right?
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  I get home nine o'clock, Sunday night, I get a call from Venetia.
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  Here I am 21-year-old kid.
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  He says to me, Jim McGuire, right?
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  I said, yeah.
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  So I says, this is sad, Venetia.
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  I said, are you the guy that owns that 27, the one that Hank Rogers senior drives?
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  He said, yeah.
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  He said, well, we weren't very satisfied with laying on today.
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  He should have went faster.
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  So we want a young guy like your charger.
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  You were the one that gave us the most hot time passing.
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  That's right.
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  You got Hank Senior fired out of that car so you could get in it, right?
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  Is that true?
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  No.
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  He said to me, Uhhuh, he said to me, Hank's not Hank's getting
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  old now, he should have been.
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  Go do it.
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  He was 50 years old.
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  He was an old man.
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  So, uh, his son still holds it against you.
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  He says, we want you to drive the car for us.
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  You're a hot charger.
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  Okay, so the first time I rode the car was, are we gonna yank asphalt?
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  Which I'm good on asphalt.
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  That's what I was brought up in.
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  So Bobby caught Wright al qui fighting with each other and
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  they won first and second.
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  I finished third, but but easy was happy.
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  Finished third on asphalt.
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  Hank Rogers senior never did good on asphalt.
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  None of the old time dirt drivers.
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  Never did good on asphalt, but I did good.
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  So I was happy.
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  So he says, you've got the ride.
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  So the next race we go to Georgetown.
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  I win that race and I won.
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  Did pretty good as the season.
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  Went on an asphalt track again in Quebec, Canada.
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  I was leading the race, running good, I'm laughing.
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  Dave Humphreys, the rear axle breaks, he goes out in front of me, hit the
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  tire, flip end over, and I land on the wall up, upside down and the
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  wall, the back of the race goes shit.
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  Right.
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  Seems to be a pattern here, doesn't it?
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  One behind the robot.
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  Well that's what happens there guys.
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  It, I only knew one way to drive before, got the floor.
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  And car owners do a lot of money like and you like extra car owner.
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  I only knew one way to drive car owners, like guys that put the floor to the floor.
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  They didn't care if they have to spend the money as long as they want.
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  That's the way it was really.
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  So that's why a young age.
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  I got quick.
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  So anyway, uh, I landed upside down the wall.
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  She had the race car off the back.
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  Said there like half conscious.
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  I said to sab, how's the race car?
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  Don't worry about the race car.
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  You gotta get better.
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  So we go to the hospital.
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  I spend a week in the hospital.
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  I get outta the hospital, I fly down on Friday to Georgetown, Delaware.
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  The car's waiting for me.
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  They get all ready for me.
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  I win the race down there in the Georgetown.
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  I was back.
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  The newspaper says my body, what were you in the hospital for?
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  Mental illness or what was it?
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  They thought I broke my neck.
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  They thought I broke 'cause my neck was hurting and they hooked me x-rays.
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  You'd have been in trouble if you broke your jaw because you wouldn't
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  have been able to talk anyway.
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  Hey, once talked a long time.
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  He said a lot of nice things.
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  All right, come on.
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  He still talked longer than I did.
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  They were better stories.
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  He was an extra at attraction.
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  That's he put first.
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  You know what's great about we?
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  I was listening to a loser.
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  That's why I was listening.
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  So that was it.
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  I was a winner.
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  That was the difference.
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  And the car owners liked winners.
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  That's why I got a best ride.
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  The best guy Wednesday.
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  You never got your car upside down, right.
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  Never did.
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  Right.
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  It is everybody else's car.
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  Right.
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  How far?
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  Never did.
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  Yeah.
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  But, uh, I've been held the car, couple them over, not as many as Wonder Boy.
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  Over here.
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  I went over, okay, thank you.
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  I went over 15 times in my career.
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  His percentages.
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  There's 14 pictures over there, right in that Jimmy McGuire, case 14.
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  Which one did we miss?
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  I didn't put any of my Ricks in there.
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  I'm glad you didn't put any of my Ricks in there.
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  I brought that to Well, I got, I got one of Vene Carl tour to hell.
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  Who did that?
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  Uh, yeah.
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  Where's that?
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  The guy that just went, uh, that's Dick.
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  Yeah.
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  But he told me, he said to me, don't worry about it.
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  We'll fix up.
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  We'll get to the next race.
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  The next race at one part.
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  We'll see.
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  When you drove for Ezio, I was a young kid.
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  I thought you had to win every race when you drove for him.
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  'cause the driver, Hank Senior did a job.
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  He won 12 races one year for him.
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  And here's another thing I did.
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  Whenever we were young drivers and you got a car, car owners, you
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  got in, you know, some guy would say, well, can you change this?
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  You can change that.
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  If I told Mari this a long time ago.
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  I said when you we're young guys, when you get in a race guy, never
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  complain that something's wrong.
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  Wait till you do good, then complain.
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  So I get into an easiest guy.
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  I said, man, everything's perfect.
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  I love this guy.
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  After I won my first race, I said, you know, this should be this way.
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  So then after you win and do good for him, then they changed for you.
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  You know?
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  And that's the way it was in them days.
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  Because the cos, well, one way Carl said one thing in their mind.
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  Right?
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  It my way.
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  When I went to Kinesio, I said, everything's perfect.
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  Everything.
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  Even when I finished third, everything was perfect.
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  Everything was perfect.
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  They were happy with me when I won Georgetown and I changed things, but I had
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  to win first before they'd listen to me.
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  If you didn't win, they put another charge in the car.
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  Right?
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  And I'm telling the truth, right, bill?
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  That's it.
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  You gotta put the guy.
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  Hey.
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  That's the first thing they've agreed on for a long time.
• 15:16
  Okay?
• 15:17
  They both remembered the situation.
• 15:20
  One a little different than the other, but that's okay.
• 15:23
  Well, anyway, but I forgot about it.
• 15:25
  Hank, how you stealing that ride from him?
• 15:27
  I came, wait a minute.
• 15:28
  When I came back, after my being in the hospital, I was down a few points.
• 15:31
  Now I was a point leader before that happened.
• 15:34
  They had a couple of races.
• 15:35
  SAB gets to me sign.
• 15:36
  He says, you know Jim, you don't have to win every race.
• 15:38
  I said, I thought I had to win every race.
• 15:40
  That's why I try and I crash if I can win.
• 15:42
  He says, Jim, 'cause I'd crash, I'd win a race.
• 15:45
  I crashed.
• 15:45
  I win.
• 15:45
  I crashed.
• 15:46
  He said, Jim, just finish second or third if you have to.
• 15:49
  I said, oh, okay.
• 15:50
  So then I started, I started racing.
• 15:52
  If I finished second, and if it was hard to race, I'd finish third, fourth.
• 15:55
  I had 52 races in my career.
• 15:57
  Right.
• 15:57
  There's probably about another 25 that this year won when I never won 'em.
• 16:00
  Like on a weekend, on a rough dirt track.
• 16:02
  I'd be leading the race and all of a sudden a guy would come to challenge me.
• 16:05
  I'd back off a little bit because my arm, my left arm was so numb.
• 16:09
  I didn't have full control of the wheel.
• 16:10
  So I just let the guy go by me and I didn't want to have to fight him.
• 16:13
  So some other times they finished second and third.
• 16:15
  I had the lead at that time, but I was good.
• 16:18
  If we had 10 laps to go in the race, I was strong for 10 laps.
• 16:21
  If we had like a 25 straight race to run my amud weekend, I
• 16:25
  have to back off a little bit.
• 16:26
  That's an honest truth.
• 16:27
  So, and we get to the end of the season, right?
• 16:29
  Where at Shelby, North Carolina.
• 16:31
  So he says to me, Jim, you got the point lead.
• 16:33
  All you're gotta do is finish in the top 10 and you win the championship.
• 16:36
  And he said that guy's, even if he wins, you finish the top
• 16:39
  10, you win the championship.
• 16:40
  So I got down to North Carolina, I worked my way through travel.
• 16:43
  I'm up in second spot and Earl Hor is in front of me, the
• 16:46
  champion that year before.
• 16:48
  So I said, set up a gun.
• 16:50
  I can beat Earl.
• 16:51
  I remember what Cas Sam said.
• 16:52
  Finished in the top 10 and you got the championship.
• 16:55
  I backed off.
• 16:56
  Earl helped me.
• 16:56
  He was an older guy.
• 16:57
  He helped me a lot.
• 16:58
  Him and Bobby.
• 16:59
  Kwright really helped me a lot in my younger career.
• 17:01
  He helped me too.
• 17:02
  He seriously, he helped me.
• 17:05
  Bobby Kwright gave me the name Magoo.
• 17:07
  It was the first time I ran against him.
• 17:08
  He couldn't, I'd give you a different name than that, but
• 17:11
  I couldn't repeat it up here.
• 17:13
  And the way I got the name Magoo was my first year at Binghamton, New York.
• 17:16
  That was my first year running Spencer in 61.
• 17:19
  When you run asphalt to New England, when you get the move
• 17:21
  over, fight, you move down on dirt, you move up to leave the guy.
• 17:25
  I didn't know that.
• 17:25
  So when they gave me the move over fight for Bobby Cutright leading the race.
• 17:29
  I pulled down, which I cut him off.
• 17:31
  He didn't crash, but Earl went around the outside, he won the race ball.
• 17:35
  We finished second and that didn't mean too much then.
• 17:38
  But when the season ended in 1962, they tied from the championship.
• 17:42
  If he had a pass mate, he would've won the championship by five points.
• 17:45
  So they were the first coach champs in the only coach Champs in URC.
• 17:49
  And that was because I cut Bobby, cut right off.
• 17:51
  So after the race, he comes walking over to me.
• 17:53
  Now he's an old man.
• 17:54
  He's 35 years old, right?
• 17:55
  I'm a young kid, 20 years old.
• 17:58
  We should be 35 again.
• 18:00
  He says, he sees me coming down and he says, what's your name, kid?
• 18:04
  I said McGuire.
• 18:05
  Jim McGuire, he is my first sprint.
• 18:08
  He says to me, McGuire, we're gonna call you Magoo.
• 18:10
  You don't know where the hell you are going.
• 18:12
  So ironically, that name is stuck with me all the time.
• 18:15
  And of course it helped me be Bump.
• 18:17
  I bumped in a few guys along my way.
• 18:19
  So every time they say, McGuire named you Magoo.
• 18:21
  So that, that name stuck with me.
• 18:23
  Ey, you sure you didn't give that name?
• 18:24
  Magoo?
• 18:25
  I'll tell you one thing, ever since that happened, I never
• 18:28
  walked away from my ride at a boy.
• 18:31
  I stayed right there all the time.
• 18:33
  Vince soon was a great driver.
• 18:34
  Don't, don't get me wrong, he was a great one.
• 18:36
  So wait a minute, what?
• 18:38
  I kissed his daughter in Victory Lane.
• 18:39
  When I beat Foot, I did.
• 18:41
  I kissed Bill's daughter in Victory Lane.
• 18:43
  When I beat Foy.
• 18:44
  That was the girl on the trophy.
• 18:45
  Okay, go ahead.
• 18:48
  Wait a minute.
• 18:48
  I didn't do that.
• 18:49
  Hey, no.
• 18:50
  Who got paid that night?
• 18:51
  Foy.
• 18:52
  Yeah.
• 18:54
  Wanted the trophy.
• 18:55
  And I said, no, that's my trophy.
• 18:56
  Yeah, the trophy.
• 18:57
  And I pulled it away from the hand on it top, the big trophy, except for one piece.
• 19:01
  Foy has that he took.
• 19:03
  I said, I'm so serious.
• 19:04
  I said to Foy, you got the money, I'm gonna keep the trophy.
• 19:07
  Yep.
• 19:07
  I worked out in Indy for five years after that, and every year I
• 19:10
  went on to say, where's my trophy?
• 19:11
  Where's my trophy?
• 19:13
  Ray.
• 19:13
  Ray McCabe was gonna bring this up because as I'm sitting here next to you, tell him
• 19:18
  about the time you went to Pocono on the three quarter mile and didn't have any
• 19:21
  of their stuff with you, and you borrowed everything and what happened after you?
• 19:25
  Oh yeah, that was, well, that was Boston.
• 19:27
  I went up there with Hank and I, him a ride.
• 19:30
  You're a good friend, Dan.
• 19:31
  We're best friends.
• 19:32
  We're still out, I think.
• 19:34
  Uh, although, you know what?
• 19:35
  He got me fired from my car.
• 19:37
  That's why he won the championship.
• 19:38
  I wanted him here to tell him that he was afraid I was gonna beat Hank.
• 19:42
  And his, his wife had owned the car.
• 19:45
  That's the way it worked.
• 19:45
  And he didn't want his wife winning the championship.
• 19:48
  Kalen told me I was a bunch of bullshit.
• 19:52
  Hank probably did too.
• 19:53
  Yeah.
• 19:55
  Anyway.
• 19:56
  Tell when you went to Pocono.
• 19:58
  So I went to the Poconos.
• 19:59
  I had no ride.
• 20:00
  So all of sudden, and a three quarter mile track inside Pocot.
• 20:03
  And what happened is, uh.
• 20:05
  Blackie came down.
• 20:06
  He was supposed to be a driver, but the forecast from New England
• 20:08
  was, it was gonna rain in Poconos.
• 20:10
  So the driver never came to the racetrack.
• 20:12
  So they said, Hey, Blackie's got the car.
• 20:14
  And I knew Blackie very personally from back home in Boston.
• 20:17
  So he said to me, uh, do you wanna run the car?
• 20:19
  I said, okay.
• 20:20
  I don't have any equipment.
• 20:20
  So I borrowed a uniform from somebody.
• 20:23
  I borrowed a helmet from oil and I borrowed everything from extra drivers.
• 20:26
  I get in the car and I go out in the heat to qualify and man,
• 20:30
  Blackie had an illegal engine.
• 20:31
  They let him run.
• 20:32
  It was a sco, really built big illegal engine that's a fresh, it
• 20:36
  was an oversized Nova sized engine, but they let him go because the
• 20:40
  guy guys had in it weren't drivers.
• 20:42
  So they never competed hard against anybody.
• 20:44
  So I stepped in the gas filet.
• 20:46
  I passed three off.
• 20:47
  He, I, whoa.
• 20:48
  Anyway, I got up the second or third spot.
• 20:50
  And I said, wow, this car's flying, and all of a sudden I passed the
• 20:54
  two Scon brothers on the outside and I says, this thing's flying.
• 20:59
  Then all of a sudden I go in the corner, I lose it.
• 21:02
  I hit the wall, I flip in over and I lost mother one.
• 21:04
  Yeah.
• 21:05
  That was my time.
• 21:06
  I hit the wall.
• 21:07
  I over.
• 21:07
  Yeah, but how about when you were in practice and you didn't have your
• 21:10
  racing arm with you and your other one kind of left the steering wheel.
• 21:15
  Do you remember that?
• 21:16
  Oh yeah.
• 21:17
  Oh yeah.
• 21:20
  Yeah.
• 21:20
  I didn't have my steering arm with my, had my regular artificial
• 21:22
  arm and Yeah, that's right too.
• 21:24
  That's probably why I spun out.
• 21:25
  You're right, right.
• 21:27
  By the way, we have his bag here.
• 21:29
  His one arm is hanging right there on the case, and the other one's in the bag.
• 21:34
  Well, the other one was a high, when you run heavy, that
• 21:37
  one I could run asphalt with.
• 21:38
  The other one, I had to run dirt because dirt was rough.
• 21:41
  And when I ran this one on dirt, it broke in the elbow all the time.
• 21:44
  It was a rough dirt track.
• 21:45
  It was the one I run an asphalt.
• 21:46
  The other one, I took the screw off and screwed it in and it had quarter orange
• 21:50
  titanium rods on either side of it had all laminated so it wouldn't break.
• 21:53
  And that's the way I drove that one.
• 21:55
  I drove on dirt and this one, I drove an asphalt.
• 21:57
  That's why I had a big bag.
• 21:58
  I had a lot of things in my bag.
• 22:01
  Anyway, he came in after that warmup.
• 22:04
  He may not remember this, but somewhere along the line, his regular hook
• 22:08
  bounced off the wheel and his right arm was banging on the right rear tire.
• 22:14
  And he came in and there was rubber all over his hook.
• 22:17
  And the guys on the track that didn't know this was Jimmy McGuire,
• 22:20
  his arms bouncing on the back and they thought I lost every hand.
• 22:25
  And then you flip the guy's car.
• 22:28
  You know, I was gonna bid on that neck brace they had.
• 22:31
  But it said on their living legend that I didn't know you were still alive.
• 22:35
  Well, you know, I thought it was, wait a minute, February 5th this year down in
• 22:40
  Daytona, I never had NASCAR in my life, but they made me a living legend along
• 22:44
  with Larry McReynolds, uh, Kyle Pit.
• 22:47
  Oh, that's right.
• 22:47
  That's what this show's all about, him being a living legend.
• 22:50
  I forgot about that.
• 22:51
  And it says, and I got this February 5th.
• 22:54
  2023. Honest to God, I was invited to come down.
• 22:58
  So Mario and Dirty sponsored three tables because you know, I make friends easy.
• 23:02
  I cost eight.
• 23:03
  We're gonna have Mario's introduction for McGuire, so, so $800 a
• 23:08
  table had cost these sponsors.
• 23:09
  I had a good time.
• 23:10
  All my friend showed up.
• 23:11
  My daughter's come down from Boston.
• 23:13
  One come, my daughters are there, and my grandsons were there.
• 23:15
  So a matter of fact, Mario gave me a tribute, which is on the wall.
• 23:19
  My grandson, 19 years old, gave me, he presented me the Hall of Fame down there
• 23:24
  and they said, and it's all written on the wall then It's not the bathroom wall,
• 23:28
  it's the wall over there, Mario Speech is on top and the grandsons on the bottom.
• 23:33
  It's got a picture of Mario and I together in 63 the year he finished
• 23:38
  Second Points with the A RDC and I won the championship in URC.
• 23:41
  So that's all on the wall if you want to look at it.
• 23:43
  But anyway.
• 23:45
  I got pictures taken with Kyle Petty and all the other guys.
• 23:48
  But Larry Res was first getting, and he had to leave right away.
• 23:51
  He had to be on TV the next day, so he left right away.
• 23:54
  So I never got a picture, but this year I'm planning to
• 23:56
  go up and I hope he's there.
• 23:57
  I want, I get a picture taken with him.
• 23:58
  But that was quite, so I got in there with those guys and those
• 24:01
  guys were real nascat guys.
• 24:02
  And I was just an outsider.
• 24:04
  You know what they call me?
• 24:05
  They call me a Saturday night hero.
• 24:07
  And I guess that pissed me.
• 24:08
  They call the award was a Saturday night hero.
• 24:10
  Saturday night special was always a gun to me.
• 24:13
  No Saturday night, right?
• 24:15
  Didn't I win the at A RDC at at Grandview because I was good with the fans.
• 24:19
  Right?
• 24:20
  Now you, Ernie Saxon had a favorite driver of roll water something every
• 24:23
  year, and I won six years in a row.
• 24:25
  They finally ended it because nobody else could win it.
• 24:28
  And I was a ham.
• 24:29
  I was a ham.
• 24:30
  I'd get down an intermission, sit in the stands with all the fans, sign autographs.
• 24:34
  You ran second three times by the way.
• 24:37
  So I'd get down to the fans, I talk with him, invite him up the trailer afterwards,
• 24:41
  and I was the only one that allowed to have the dog in the pistol thing.
• 24:44
  He was on the trailer at Benjamin.
• 24:45
  And the kids would come around, I'd sign autographs with the kids that that bench.
• 24:48
  So I was kind of a, a happy fan, you know, with the fans.
• 24:52
  That's why they voted for me.
• 24:53
  I guess I had a rule at Grand Grandview, whenever I wanna race,
• 24:57
  the kids had to all come in with me.
• 24:58
  They weren't allowed to give me the presentation, take pictures,
• 25:01
  unless the kids were with me.
• 25:02
  So I have several pictures of me with all the kids when I went, they'd be in
• 25:05
  there and I hold a checkered flag and the kids would be in Victory Lane with me.
• 25:09
  That's why I guess I got the most popular drive right.
• 25:11
  I get the most That's true.
• 25:13
  Yes.
• 25:13
  You were very good with the fence.
• 25:15
  And the promoters like me and the, the photographers like me.
• 25:19
  Why?
• 25:19
  Because every time the picture was taken with a hundred kids, how about
• 25:22
  the beauty queen down in Australia?
• 25:24
  Did she like it?
• 25:25
  Wait, wait a minute.
• 25:26
  We're not getting in Australia anymore.
• 25:27
  That's another story.
• 25:29
  So anyway, when I would, when I would, when I would get in the fans, hey five
• 25:35
  spin out, there'd be a hundred, there'd be a hundred kids in that picture, right?
• 25:38
  The next week the photographer there would sell the pictures.
• 25:41
  He made a ton of dope with me and Victory Lane.
• 25:43
  'cause all the fans wanted that kid in that picture.
• 25:46
  Take a breath, take a breath.
• 25:47
  I'll keep, if you're right, I don't want to be, I'll tell you that now.
• 25:52
  That was pretty much all truth.
• 25:53
  Pretty much, pretty much.
• 25:55
  I exaggerate on a few things, like a talks about getting one more fish
• 25:59
  than you should want, but I have fun.
• 26:01
  Hey Jim.
• 26:01
  I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow over again.
• 26:08
  Not in the morning, I hope.
• 26:12
  I'm not taking off till four o'clock tomorrow afternoon.
• 26:16
  What type of car did you lose your arm in?
• 26:18
  It was, it was a sprint car, and Bobby Marshman drove in.
• 26:21
  Usac.
• 26:22
  Now I was in USAC now, so he had a stock car race that day.
• 26:25
  So he called me up and because he was a former URC pupil, he
• 26:28
  said, do you want to drive it?
• 26:29
  I didn't have ride because my car owner, which I did good in, I, I ran
• 26:32
  a car that was owned by AJ Watson and I took a second and third to flight in
• 26:36
  my debut, and then I, so I wanted to go racing, so, uh, yeah, I said, I wanna go.
• 26:41
  It was, I was already living on Indianapolis.
• 26:43
  He said, you got my car if you want it.
• 26:44
  So I got in it.
• 26:46
  And, uh, now normally if the car was owned eight cylinders,
• 26:48
  I would've qualified further.
• 26:50
  But the les that only had seven cylinders in it, I didn't care.
• 26:52
  I went.
• 26:53
  So I qualified.
• 26:54
  Good.
• 26:54
  I qualified fourth fastest Les, when you have only seven
• 26:57
  cylinders, you don't do the pickup.
• 26:59
  So I had to go three.
• 27:00
  Hes, before I qualified, I qualified ninth.
• 27:03
  Well with cylinders, but I worked my way up to fifth and that's when the, he spun.
• 27:07
  Once you ran two laps over the end, the thing was built up, you know, the speed
• 27:11
  was built up and I caught guys, as long as the race went on, I pass guys and of
• 27:15
  course the guy spun out in front of me.
• 27:17
  Chuck Booth spun in front of me and instead of staying there, he backed up
• 27:20
  the racetrack and I got pictures of it.
• 27:22
  He's backing up and my left front wheel hits his left rear wheel
• 27:26
  and I, he did a barrel side rolls.
• 27:28
  And when you do it, no rinse, they, they're wild looking into over
• 27:30
  rinse, but those are the best ones to take because only the front and
• 27:33
  the back of hitting, you're in the race guy, you're not hitting it.
• 27:35
  When you are a side roll, you head hits the ground, you knocked out immediately
• 27:39
  and that's when most drivers, you look back at K with side rolls because back
• 27:43
  in those days, because you didn't do a side rail, you had hits, head hits
• 27:46
  the ground, you're out like a light.
• 27:47
  So that's what happened to me.
• 27:49
  But Bobby Martin in the car drove that and that's, I lost Miami.
• 27:53
  And another thing would probably be Marshman car.
• 27:55
  Most robots are three or four inches behind.
• 27:57
  Behind your head.
• 27:58
  Bobby Marshman car was right eve with your head.
• 28:01
  So of course when I started flipping with my arms when the car
• 28:04
  landed, the robot saved my life.
• 28:06
  But I took my arm off because the arm was between the roll bar on the ground
• 28:09
  and a message that was new Bernan, right?
• 28:12
  And I didn't wake up till two days later.
• 28:13
  So I didn't feel anything.
• 28:14
  I didn't know what the hell happened.
• 28:15
  All I know is I woke up, I could still see me waking up in the hospital.
• 28:19
  My dad was there, my girlfriend was there, which eventually became
• 28:21
  my wife, Henry Banks was there, all the big shots for insurance.
• 28:25
  I was gonna act.
• 28:26
  I woke up and I said, whoa.
• 28:27
  I go, well on.
• 28:28
  I got.
• 28:28
  And I simply said, I got a new challenge in life.
• 28:31
  They all looked at each other and said, well this guy's wacky.
• 28:34
  Said they all left.
• 28:35
  I had my one out.
• 28:36
  First thing I asked for was a pencil.
• 28:38
  'cause I had to learn how to write with the left hand.
• 28:40
  And the whole six months I was in the hospital, I wrote, I learned how to write.
• 28:43
  And you know what?
• 28:44
  If you ever talk to anybody that has lost a limb, when you learn how to
• 28:47
  write even with your other hand, by writing 'em the same thing as my right
• 28:51
  hand, you look at the signature, the only thing is it goes to the left.
• 28:54
  If I turn the paper sideways and I write, you can't tell a my right hand
• 28:58
  or my left hand because you learn.
• 29:00
  Your brain only knows one way to write.
• 29:02
  You write slow.
• 29:03
  But it's, I had to go back to drafting.
• 29:05
  My printing is the same as it was my right.
• 29:07
  You do it slower.
• 29:08
  Your brain only is one way.
• 29:09
  The right.
• 29:10
  So it goes back how I learn to write.
• 29:12
  'cause I still have the feeling right now.
• 29:14
  I'm giving the finger to Paxton.
• 29:21
  If I had this shirt off, you talk to your nerves are still,
• 29:25
  you have phip pain right now.
• 29:27
  If you looked at my arm off, you see a little nerve tch in there.
• 29:31
  That's my little finger.
• 29:36
  Take a picture of that.
• 29:40
  I'm glad you straightened that out.
• 29:43
  I've been told I'm number one.
• 29:44
  Before
• 29:47
  when I laid in the hospital it hurt.
• 29:49
  I did not tell him, okay, I'm laying there and they said to me.
• 29:52
  Chuck Hal also.
• 29:53
  That was the number one driver for the Dean of Van Lion team.
• 29:56
  I was gonna take a test in the second car just to see if I could drive
• 29:59
  an Indy car, but it never happened.
• 30:01
  Sunday, I lost my arm.
• 30:02
  The next day I was supposed to sign my driver assist at Indy.
• 30:05
  So Wednesday I'm in the hospital, Jim Mcg again and Clint
• 30:08
  Brown and come in to see me.
• 30:09
  First they offered the ride to Roger Chop Penske.
• 30:11
  He said, no, I ain't gonna drive any car.
• 30:14
  Me, I don't want be killed.
• 30:15
  Roger Chop.
• 30:15
  Penske a nice guy, great for racing, but he drove sporty cars.
• 30:19
  The ones that beat behind when they want to pass.
• 30:21
  That's what he drove.
• 30:22
  I'm laying in the hospital of bed and they said, who are we gonna get for a driver?
• 30:25
  I said, well, did you ever hear of Andrei?
• 30:27
  He's only, yeah, he's a good midget driver.
• 30:29
  We read.
• 30:30
  But he's the only 120 pounds and he only five foot four.
• 30:33
  I pointed to my foot in bed and I said, he's got it there.
• 30:36
  And I took my hand, I went, he's got it here.
• 30:39
  Give him a shot at it.
• 30:39
  Jim, you don't have any.
• 30:40
  And see Jim again.
• 30:41
  And I go to go up to Boston in the same racetracks.
• 30:44
  He was a mechanic and I was a driver.
• 30:45
  That's how I knew him real good.
• 30:46
  He watched me as I was going through my career and he said, well, in the
• 30:49
  wintertime he said, we'll give you a test.
• 30:51
  And when I did good news act, he said, we'll give you a test at, didn't he?
• 30:54
  So it was all set up.
• 30:57
  I said to him, give Andre a shot.
• 30:59
  And I said, you don't have a driver.
• 31:00
  If you don't like it, get rid of him.
• 31:02
  You don't have a drive.
• 31:02
  Give him a shot and see what happens.
• 31:04
  Well, he gave him a shot and as the story goes, all the rest is history.
• 31:07
  And he goes, well, let's driving race here.
• 31:08
  And and another thing, he took a lot of flips.
• 31:10
  Did a lot of crashes, but that's one of the reasons he never got
• 31:13
  hurt, except why he was so small.
• 31:15
  He was way inside the race car.
• 31:16
  So that's it.
• 31:17
  That's the story, my Andre.
• 31:18
  Now we get there.
• 31:20
  So we do have this introduction to show you for Mario Andretti that he did for Mr.
• 31:26
  McGuire, and we'll play that here.
• 31:29
  The awards, when I had the, uh, when I, when I got last February, I got the award
• 31:34
  for, uh, setting a hero for legends.
• 31:37
  So, uh, Mario gave a speech there for me and somebody videotaped
• 31:42
  it and the certificate speech, and I cried after I heard it.
• 31:45
  I called him up and I said, I wanna go back driving a restart again.
• 31:48
  So I listened to the speech.
• 31:50
  It's only a minute, nine seconds long.
• 31:52
  And here we go.
• 31:53
  Hello everyone.
• 31:54
  I'm pleased you're honoring Jim McGuire this evening.
• 31:58
  Our friendship goes back to the early sixties when we were both carving
• 32:03
  our own way through our careers.
• 32:05
  He was really on his way to the top, no question about it.
• 32:11
  What's most impressive to me is after this accident, Jim showed
• 32:15
  you can't keep a good man down.
• 32:18
  He reinvented himself by learning to write with his left hand and
• 32:23
  continuing work as a draft man, and designing and creating a system.
• 32:29
  There were allowed his prosthetic arm to connect with the
• 32:32
  steering wheel of a race car.
• 32:34
  He was back on track racing again, but not just racing, winning,
• 32:41
  winning against the very best.
• 32:44
  So Jim, I congratulate you on this very special recognition and thank you for
• 32:51
  being such an inspiration to all of us.
• 33:01
  Call him up the next day and I said, buy me a race car.
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  I'm spied.
• 33:03
  I want to go back.
• 33:06
  He said, when I go to a place and somebody talks about me, I
• 33:08
  feel like going back racing too.
• 33:10
  But we said we're too old.
• 33:11
  I said, I agree with you.
• 33:12
  So glad you enjoy it.
• 33:13
  God, it was only, it was only a minute long, so that was it.
• 33:16
  Good.
• 33:16
  So.
• 33:17
  He knew your crash record.
• 33:18
  He wasn't buying a car for you.
• 33:22
  I get you.
• 33:23
  Smart ass
• 33:26
  boy.
• 33:26
  We got a lot of stories from Mario.
• 33:27
  Come here.
• 33:28
  We have a lot of stories.
• 33:30
  We may have to say a little, because we have a lot of stories.
• 33:33
  Mario, I Hey.
• 33:34
  You get some booze in him.
• 33:35
  You hear a lot of merrier stories.
• 33:37
  Something you don't wanna hear.
• 33:38
  I, I've heard the, the Hershey and the Yeah, yeah.
• 33:42
  There you go.
• 33:42
  Yeah.
• 33:42
  You wanna talk about Hershey?
• 33:44
  I didn't think so did you?
• 33:45
  I heard you had a woman visit you in the camper.
• 33:48
  I don't drink anymore.
• 33:50
  And that's one, that's one of the reasons, yeah.
• 33:52
  The camp.
• 33:52
  Oh yeah.
• 33:53
  Heard that really?
• 33:57
  Oh, you wanna hear that?
• 33:58
  Can I tell a story now?
• 33:59
  We gotta tell story.
• 33:59
  No, no, it's just a family show.
• 34:02
  Stay away from that story, then you find out what we're really doing to her show.
• 34:07
  Well, is anybody enjoying this talking here at all?
• 34:10
  What's going on
• 34:13
  again, again, you gotta make the fans happy.
• 34:16
  That's what it's all about.
• 34:18
  I'd like to, but uh, I don't have a chance.
• 34:22
  When you came back to the midgets, who did you drive for first?
• 34:25
  Not the TQ with, uh, Bob, but it was, uh, four Midgets, uh, first race back.
• 34:29
  I was driving for Eddie Tow, really any out for a year.
• 34:33
  I drove for him.
• 34:34
  First time I drove for him was over to New Jersey and asphalt.
• 34:37
  I finished nine.
• 34:38
  He was very happy with, because he just bought the car.
• 34:40
  He got the car and Ed clinic is taking care of the car, and I
• 34:43
  guess he recommended the driver.
• 34:44
  So I got in the car.
• 34:46
  Then as the time went on, I got better in the car and we had a Bobby Marshall
• 34:50
  Memorial at, uh, Hatfield, Pennsylvania.
• 34:53
  That was the track that he, he promoted.
• 34:56
  A RDC and that was my kind track as I went there.
• 34:59
  In sprint cars, I go in the counter, I take the lead in the first lap, 49 laps.
• 35:04
  I led that race, touch shape was right behind me, led the race.
• 35:07
  Just kept my foot to the floor.
• 35:08
  See a Hatfield if you're in it good, you just kept your foot to the floor.
• 35:11
  You were in right in the rim high bank.
• 35:13
  You didn't have to take your foot outta the throttle.
• 35:15
  The last lap.
• 35:16
  I said, geez, I'm gonna win.
• 35:17
  I see the white.
• 35:18
  I'm gonna win this race.
• 35:19
  So I come off the bank, right?
• 35:20
  I come off the bank, come down, and Dutch Shaer goes right around the
• 35:23
  outside of me and wins the race.
• 35:24
  I make more money than he did because I let every lap and then get front money.
• 35:28
  The fans pulled the hell outta him.
• 35:30
  He beat me, but he finished second and I told him Victory Land.
• 35:33
  I said to George, er, well, I wanted to win you your son's memorial, because
• 35:37
  footy did for me after I lost my arm.
• 35:39
  'cause I lost the arm in his sprint car that he drove.
• 35:42
  He had a ride with a stock high that day.
• 35:44
  So he asked if I'd wanna run.
• 35:45
  So I ran it.
• 35:45
  But he F so he helped me out along the way with my rehabilitation.
• 35:49
  Touch Safer won the race.
• 35:50
  I made more money than, than I can say now.
• 35:52
  It took me seven times to run in the Bobby Marsh Memorial race.
• 35:55
  I finished second, third, fourth.
• 35:57
  Every time I got in a car, I was leaving it.
• 35:59
  I dropped back when I finally won it, when I bought a car, George
• 36:03
  just bought a race car finally.
• 36:05
  It had nothing to do for a year.
• 36:06
  He bought a race car, miss you.
• 36:07
  He was the sprint car owner, so he bought a car for him and we go up
• 36:11
  there with the Vene and Frank Jennings.
• 36:13
  They brought the car up with him.
• 36:14
  We go up to Bloomberg, Pennsylvania.
• 36:16
  I'm sorry, bus Milwaukee was the car.
• 36:18
  See Jake Vago.
• 36:19
  Let me take the midget out.
• 36:20
  I was gonna run it during the month of May if I had passed my driver's test.
• 36:23
  'cause that in those days, every night across the street from the Speedway, they
• 36:27
  had a quarter mile track and they were in the track across the street from the
• 36:29
  speed all the drivers in practice, they go in the midget the night and eventually
• 36:33
  that went to Mario for the month of May.
• 36:34
  But anyway, I was gonna drive it.
• 36:36
  Jake Vago gave me the car and I took it out there.
• 36:39
  So then when I wanted to run midget there, in fact get back in
• 36:43
  midgets, it was after the TQ season.
• 36:46
  I had done good.
• 36:46
  I won the hundred lap and I won the championship for Paulson.
• 36:49
  So I called him up and I said, Hey, can you bring the car up to, uh, Bloomsburg?
• 36:54
  I'd like to run for you again.
• 36:55
  Yeah, okay.
• 36:55
  I'll sit bus walkie with him.
• 36:57
  So bus walkie rides to the car.
• 36:59
  He was the type, if anybody knows the name, bus walkie, obviously you know him.
• 37:02
  He was a mechanic, a big Indianapolis mechanic and a driver.
• 37:05
  And so he took the car up there.
• 37:07
  Anyway, I got in the car.
• 37:08
  I led the race for 24 laps, again, long, around 24 laps.
• 37:13
  The same thing.
• 37:14
  I'm running good.
• 37:15
  It's like I back off in the third and fourth turn 'cause I won, I won this race.
• 37:19
  Who goes around the outside of me?
• 37:21
  Bill Brown and, and Eddie Dar Scott wins the race.
• 37:24
  The fans booed the hell out of him, but again, he made only 600 bucks.
• 37:28
  Win the race.
• 37:28
  I made 850 because I got a lot money.
• 37:31
  That's what Gil Brown, I finally won that race with George Ey gave me a ride.
• 37:36
  I led the race, the whole race, and I won the race.
• 37:38
  And I think I got a picture there someplace with Frank
• 37:41
  Jennings, his son and, uh, me winning the race of Bloomsburg.
• 37:44
  I finally won the volume and I, and I had tears when I was
• 37:48
  up there on the stage with Mr.
• 37:49
  Marshall.
• 37:50
  I was crying because I said it took me seven years to win
• 37:53
  this Bobby Marshall Memorial.
• 37:54
  So, and he was, he had tears in his eyes too because, you know, it was his son.
• 37:58
  And I always wanted to do that and I always win that.
• 38:00
  Bobby Marshall Memorial took me seven races to win it, but I
• 38:03
  finally wanted, and, and like Far Gump says to the movie, and that's
• 38:07
  all I got to say about the matter.
• 38:09
  That's funny.
• 38:10
  'cause my first midget ride was with Ed Toth at Mahoning Valley in 1971.
• 38:15
  You were almost retired by then.
• 38:17
  Yeah, I Did he tell you I won the first race with him?
• 38:19
  Yeah.
• 38:20
  And I won the first race.
• 38:21
  I was first race on him.
• 38:23
  Then that year, after that year, then he went to, with Williams going,
• 38:26
  he bought a sprint car, I think.
• 38:28
  Yeah.
• 38:29
  I, I had something to do with that.
• 38:30
  Oh, you did?
• 38:30
  Okay.
• 38:31
  You did you drive the sprint?
• 38:32
  Yeah, I destroyed his midget, so I went sprint car.
• 38:34
  Oh, that's, that's he went, he went with Oz. Yes.
• 38:38
  Ozzie built the cars and drove.
• 38:39
  He was a good car.
• 38:40
  I he a good guy.
• 38:41
  Yeah.
• 38:41
  Did he get steering that sprint car?
• 38:43
  I don't know if he had, I was gonna call him and see.
• 38:47
  He had steering, but I was happy running mid.
• 38:49
  No, I was, he might have later on, but not at first.
• 38:51
  He did.
• 38:51
  Yeah.
• 38:51
  Right.
• 38:51
  Because I, if I had punched a guy, I would've talked
• 38:53
  to him and let me drive it.
• 38:55
  I had a good way with words with car owners.
• 38:57
  That was a good race.
• 38:57
  Car isn't midget.
• 38:58
  Oh yeah.
• 38:59
  Back in those days, they were all rigu sprint cars with Offie and Hickey took
• 39:03
  em care of most of the cars, you know, Offie, when I, when I ran for all the
• 39:07
  time, I had afi, just like Ferguson ran the five years I ran for Ferguson.
• 39:11
  Fergu had office.
• 39:12
  Yeah.
• 39:12
  And you ran him with afi, but he ran No, I didn't run an off.
• 39:15
  You didn't have an off?
• 39:16
  What did you have?
• 39:17
  I ran a Sesco.
• 39:18
  Oh, you had a Sesco?
• 39:18
  Okay.
• 39:19
  Yeah, that was later on.
• 39:20
  Oh, then I was done.
• 39:22
  I Was that when you were in Caleb's car?
• 39:23
  Yeah.
• 39:24
  Okay.
• 39:24
  That's right.
• 39:25
  You were gonna win the championship.
• 39:26
  Yeah.
• 39:27
  Right.
• 39:27
  Okay.
• 39:28
  But you didn't win Williams Grove that day.
• 39:29
  I guarantee that.
• 39:31
  I wanna ask you a question.
• 39:33
  You have a guy by the name of Shark that comes here and his
• 39:36
  grandfather had a race car.
• 39:37
  Yes, yes.
• 39:38
  That I ball up at Lincoln.
• 39:40
  Did anybody?
• 39:40
  Oh, I didn't know you tore sharks car up down there.
• 39:43
  Yeah, that's a whole story.
• 39:44
  Yeah.
• 39:46
  Well, you had come after me, then you'll be, you'll be at a retake.
• 39:48
  It didn't have a safety there.
• 39:50
  It came out.
• 39:51
  I went up in the air.
• 39:53
  There's no picture.
• 39:54
  Oh, you crashed too.
• 39:55
  Oh my God.
• 39:56
  Crash.
• 39:58
  I broke my back that day.
• 39:59
  Broke your back from out on a race car like Superman.
• 40:03
  And I landed in the infield and it had it raining and it was like mud.
• 40:08
  So when I landed, it was a soft landing, but my ass was sore and I had to
• 40:14
  drive home from Lincoln with a broken back and went to the hospital the
• 40:18
  next day and then got the operation.
• 40:20
  But sure when they got there, they didn't have a driver.
• 40:24
  And they said, am I interested?
• 40:25
  I said, yeah.
• 40:26
  Hell yeah.
• 40:27
  And it was a rocket.
• 40:28
  Had a good motor.
• 40:30
  I don't know what that frame was made out of, but they said the
• 40:33
  back and the front fold together.
• 40:35
  If I'd have stayed that car, I'd have been drunk.
• 40:39
  So I came out of the car like, you think you're better than junk right now?
• 40:43
  Well, I made it this far.
• 40:44
  All right.
• 40:45
  I not, and I'm not in the junk yard yet.
• 40:49
  Thank you.
• 40:50
  You all guys think you're the only ones that crashed, right?
• 40:53
  Yeah.
• 40:54
  Well, he wanted finally to admit to come up and say he crashed.
• 40:57
  That was great.
• 40:58
  Well, I had 15 crashes in my career.
• 41:00
  Flips rather.
• 41:01
  I had a lot of crashes, but I had 15 flips.
• 41:03
  I probably had more than 15 crashes and one championship.
• 41:06
  I, but I always won.
• 41:08
  I always won.
• 41:09
  I won more races.
• 41:10
  How many guys here won 52 races?
• 41:12
  Accident won 250.
• 41:13
  I'm sorry.
• 41:16
  And how many have done it with?
• 41:17
  31 with one arm.
• 41:19
  And 22 with two ounce.
• 41:22
  I I wait to the fans for the other one.
• 41:27
  I got the two covered.
• 41:29
  I got a picture of me in Victory Lane.
• 41:31
  Now they beat foot before they took it away from me and
• 41:33
  I got the four foot trophy.
• 41:34
  Hey Joe.
• 41:35
  Hold.
• 41:35
  Hold it up there.
• 41:37
  Explain it.
• 41:37
  Hold the mic at the same time we wanna watch.
• 41:40
  Okay.
• 41:40
  That night I won.
• 41:42
  I got Bill's daughter in one here, her mother's right behind us, so it
• 41:46
  was all legal to see in the picture.
• 41:47
  And I'm holding her and giving her a big kiss for about a minute, and
• 41:50
  then everybody's laughing like hell behind me, you can see in the picture.
• 41:53
  And I got my, that time I had two arms.
• 41:56
  I'm holding a four foot trophy.
• 41:58
  Whenever my daughter shows that picture to French, she says, oh, that's my mother.
• 42:01
  That's his wife.
• 42:04
  The daughter shows that.
• 42:05
  She says he kids' wife.
• 42:07
  How about the queen down in, uh, Australia?
• 42:10
  What about her?
• 42:13
  You weren't there.
• 42:13
  You don't know what went on.
• 42:14
  I read the paper.
• 42:15
  I know.
• 42:18
  Well, what happened there?
• 42:19
  I, I went to Australia in 69.
• 42:21
  That was a nice deal.
• 42:23
  I had six races over there.
• 42:24
  Has anybody here ever been to Australia?
• 42:27
  Okay.
• 42:27
  It is about the same size as the United States.
• 42:30
  New York is is Sydney, Texas is Adelaide and Perth is California
• 42:35
  and I raced in all three places.
• 42:37
  When you run to Australia a Holden, I won a Holden.
• 42:40
  A Holden is a Chevy two over there.
• 42:42
  They call 'em Holden's.
• 42:43
  It was Chevy when I won races.
• 42:44
  Third and a win a hundred lap in Adelaide.
• 42:47
  I had an offie that was the caliber of the road, so I won with the
• 42:49
  roads a quarter mile track, and the guy was behind me the whole time.
• 42:52
  They had champion.
• 42:54
  But he couldn't get by me 'cause I ran the car, I put the car sideways,
• 42:57
  I'd watch him, it was a small truck, and I'd watch him shadows behind me.
• 43:01
  Wherever he'd go high with the shadow.
• 43:02
  I'd get in front of him when there was no shadow.
• 43:04
  I knew he was underneath me, so I'd cut him off and go high
• 43:07
  back and forth, back and forth.
• 43:08
  That's the way the whole race was won.
• 43:10
  And I got a picture going on the car to finish line.
• 43:12
  He's right on my tail.
• 43:13
  Uh, did you ever drive a VW Power Plant car?
• 43:15
  Oh yeah.
• 43:16
  What are you talking about?
• 43:17
  With Eddie Dar, it was the first time I drove one and I got him.
• 43:20
  We'd run the Silver Dome and do it when I went on.
• 43:22
  He, he wanted to go.
• 43:23
  So he hated my guts but he wanted to go because bench was gone.
• 43:27
  And I got the invite to go out there.
• 43:29
  'cause Mario said he, the way we got to go out there, Mario said he was
• 43:32
  gonna be cheap and get another car.
• 43:33
  Of course he never showed up.
• 43:34
  But I got the ride out there and that was the first time a Volkswagen
• 43:37
  said, wow, it's a good car.
• 43:39
  And we didn't do anything there.
• 43:40
  We made the race for, didn't do anything.
• 43:42
  But then the next time I drove the car was when Hank Rogers was running a car.
• 43:46
  He won the championship but he had to do a wedding.
• 43:48
  So he called me up and he said, I talked to, I drove for Mike Chin once with an
• 43:52
  off hit and I won the race at IC Junction.
• 43:54
  That was one of the very few times I'm the only driver ever to win the
• 43:57
  midget race at IC Junction on Friday.
• 44:00
  And the next day I went, I won the sprint race.
• 44:01
  It was the easiest car.
• 44:02
  So I did drive for Mike.
• 44:03
  She, so he said, okay, let Jim drive it.
• 44:05
  I get in the car at Middletown, the York and Wow.
• 44:09
  I won the heat running good.
• 44:10
  It rained out.
• 44:11
  The feature rained out.
• 44:12
  I never ran the car.
• 44:13
  And that was the only time I ever ran a Volkswagen that I, in the feature truck.
• 44:16
  I probably didn't wanted it.
• 44:17
  It was fast, fast, race, car and, but that was the only time we had a Volkswagen.
• 44:21
  They were good.
• 44:22
  Yeah, I ran SESCO's, but then when I got to, uh, Sydney, the guy who owned
• 44:27
  the car was an engineer, smart guy.
• 44:29
  He had a fiat in there.
• 44:30
  And the fiat was a tough runner.
• 44:32
  And, and it's still a tough runner in Formula One car, but
• 44:35
  he had a 600 of fiat in that.
• 44:37
  And of course he couldn't run hard with, he just about made the race.
• 44:41
  When I got in it, first of all, all the guys, the beginning guys
• 44:44
  all raised 60 pounds inside weight.
• 44:46
  When I got in the car to get in it for warmups, I couldn't even
• 44:49
  lift the rear left rear tire.
• 44:51
  I took three turns outta the left.
• 44:52
  Dang.
• 44:53
  I put three turns the right way, and I got weight on the outside.
• 44:56
  Kyle was straight as an arrow.
• 44:57
  I went everything I wanted, the heat, the semi, the match
• 44:59
  race, and I won the feature.
• 45:01
  So when I went home, I said, that's the way you gotta run the car.
• 45:04
  But he said, but the car was so straight under dirt, don't you go sideways?
• 45:07
  And he said, no, that's why I won everybody else's
• 45:09
  sideways and I'm straight.
• 45:11
  So that's, that's what happened over there.
• 45:12
  They, they, they brought up heavyweight in the inside and
• 45:16
  all the race cars were sideways.
• 45:18
  Everybody was side.
• 45:19
  And as long as the top guys run sideways, all the other guys do the same thing.
• 45:22
  Stare all running sideways.
• 45:23
  When you are run sideways, sure you look, you can win as long
• 45:26
  as everybody else is sideways.
• 45:28
  Well, when I went over, I kept my race car straight and every time I'm
• 45:30
  at the corner that's how I'd pass.
• 45:32
  I'd pass him on the inside.
• 45:33
  Coming off that picture over there, if you look at it, me
• 45:35
  and usac Mario was sideways.
• 45:37
  And I'm straight and narrow.
• 45:38
  And you win races when you're straight.
• 45:40
  That's how you get the whole bike.
• 45:41
  But the dangerous thing about that is when you hit a chuck
• 45:43
  hole, tips over much easier.
• 45:46
  You just gotta make sure that the, the rear is over the hole and the front
• 45:50
  coast of the, and so I was lucky like that outside race is the place to go.
• 45:54
  When I ran asphalt, like down the wall stadium and I always had 30 pounds outside
• 45:58
  weight with an offie and I won down there.
• 46:00
  And uh, always on asphalt, I ran outside weight, put a little more on asphalt.
• 46:04
  But when I ran the dirt tracks, I ran 15 to 20 pounds outside weight.
• 46:07
  Remember the midges little smaller when you run a sprint car, I imagine like
• 46:11
  those guys, when you see kings with them guys, they had to run at least.
• 46:15
  60, 70 pounds the outside weight.
• 46:17
  'cause that's why their right front tire lifted up, you know, and
• 46:20
  you ever see the sprint go on the probably 60, 80 pounds outside weight.
• 46:23
  That's how they keep their foot to the floor.
• 46:25
  When you give your foot to the floor, you take your foot out, the
• 46:28
  front end wants to push right away was the right front, so light.
• 46:30
  But all those will, and even now, Williams Grove, you see they
• 46:34
  keep the foot right to the floor.
• 46:35
  They took their foot outta the floor, the right front, and
• 46:37
  they'd go right to the wall.
• 46:38
  But you gotta keep your foot to the floor.
• 46:40
  It makes that right front real light and, uh, you know, blah, blah, blah.
• 46:44
  I won four outta six races over there.
• 46:47
  I finished third and, uh, one of the, my first time over there, and
• 46:50
  then I crashed in the other one.
• 46:52
  What else?
• 46:53
  So anyway, uh, imagine something like that doesn't matter.
• 46:56
  Oh no.
• 46:56
  Wait a minute.
• 46:57
  I didn't crash.
• 46:58
  They have a rule when I you driving on the wrong side of the track.
• 47:00
  At Perth.
• 47:01
  At Perth, what they do at Perth, they have a guy at each end of the
• 47:05
  corner and they have a white curb going on a six foot square curb.
• 47:09
  If you hit that curb, you disqualified.
• 47:11
  They, they say wife, they see a tire, so they watch it.
• 47:13
  So I was on my second race, I was racing.
• 47:17
  I hit the curb.
• 47:17
  I didn't know that was the rule.
• 47:19
  And I had black tie mark on.
• 47:20
  They dis, even though I won the race, they disqualified me 'cause I hit that tire.
• 47:24
  So I made sure the next time I didn't do that, I stayed out and I did not, they had
• 47:28
  a white curb going around the racetrack and I said, boy, that nobody ever told
• 47:32
  me if you hit it, you're disqualified.
• 47:33
  So I got disqualified.
• 47:34
  Otherwise I would've won three races over there.
• 47:36
  But I won two races there and I came back to Adelaide.
• 47:40
  I took, I won a hundred lap there, then I went to Sydney and one
• 47:42
  there and, uh, how about the queen?
• 47:45
  Oh, now the queen.
• 47:45
  Okay, this is the queen that was in Adelaide.
• 47:48
  My wife was over.
• 47:49
  We all go to the beach with the, the car owner, which was a rich
• 47:52
  guy who one the newspaper owned.
• 47:54
  Odd guy.
• 47:54
  He owned everything and he brought me over from the, he owned the racetrack.
• 47:57
  We ran Adelaide, owned that racetrack.
• 47:59
  Finished third, my first time there.
• 48:01
  Then about six ladies, I'm back there on lap.
• 48:04
  Uh, we go to the beach and we're at the beach.
• 48:06
  During the week, nanny was taking care of the kids, boyfriend
• 48:08
  was there and everything else.
• 48:09
  We were all at the beach having a good time.
• 48:11
  She says to me, oh, Mr. Benign asked me to be the queen for Saturday night's race.
• 48:15
  You know, this is like Wednesday or Thursday.
• 48:17
  I said, well, who's gonna finish second?
• 48:19
  She says, what do you mean?
• 48:20
  I said, well, if you're gonna be the Queen, I'm gonna win the race.
• 48:23
  She says, why?
• 48:24
  She says, because in America we kiss girls when we win the race.
• 48:27
  So my boyfriend's laughing, my wife's laughing, and my wife
• 48:30
  would say, yeah, that's right.
• 48:31
  When you win a race you kiss the queen.
• 48:33
  So, you know, that was just a joke.
• 48:35
  Saturday night comes, I win the race.
• 48:38
  So anyway, I win the race.
• 48:39
  So as we're going to victory circle over there, they don't
• 48:41
  give trophies, they give coffee.
• 48:43
  Tea sets a big tray with four cups on it and a tea.
• 48:46
  Dang.
• 48:47
  So anyway, in the newspaper, as the article outcome comes out the next week.
• 48:50
  We could do the kissing.
• 48:51
  I kiss her and all that stuff, but then I picked her up.
• 48:53
  Right now she only weighed about a hundred pounds by one arm.
• 48:55
  They picked her up.
• 48:56
  She was in a bikini.
• 48:57
  I walk all the way across the racetrack.
• 48:59
  They report this in the racer paper.
• 49:01
  They say, I guess in America they take the trophy girl home with him, because
• 49:04
  Jim, Jim McGuire was seen leaving the racetrack, and I was born on the stands.
• 49:08
  I sat her down beside her boyfriend and my wife was there too.
• 49:11
  And the whole crew, everybody's laughing, all the fans are laughing.
• 49:14
  So that's what happened.
• 49:15
  The newspaper didn't know that.
• 49:16
  I carried it in the stand.
• 49:17
  They thought I took her home.
• 49:18
  They said, I guess, I guess in America they take the trophy home.
• 49:22
  So that's what's in the race paper.
• 49:24
  So that was the joke.
• 49:26
  How many times did you go back to Australia?
• 49:28
  To Australia?
• 49:29
  I don't.
• 49:30
  They went again.
• 49:30
  I never went again.
• 49:31
  Never went again.
• 49:32
  They never invited.
• 49:32
  Well, I wouldn't go anyway because they wouldn't let him back in.
• 49:37
  No, I never, I never went back again.
• 49:39
  I think what it was, I wanted more money.
• 49:41
  That's what it was.
• 49:42
  I wanted more money.
• 49:42
  See what they did, they, it was a good deal going over there.
• 49:45
  They paid your expenses, playing gift you going over, they gave
• 49:48
  you a certain amount of money no matter whether you win or loss.
• 49:50
  They gave you the same amount of money.
• 49:52
  In other words, I forget what it was, it was good money.
• 49:54
  I mean, I made money outta it.
• 49:55
  I come home with a few thousand in my pocket.
• 49:57
  It was more money, but you get it guaranteed no matter whether
• 49:59
  you crash the win or whatever.
• 50:00
  My name was the name.
• 50:01
  So the next year I went back, I knew it.
• 50:03
  I asked for a little bit more money and I wanted a percentage of the purse.
• 50:07
  They said, no, I can't do this because I had a good ride back in the United States.
• 50:10
  And uh, who was I driving by then at that time?
• 50:12
  So where here?
• 50:14
  Ferguson?
• 50:14
  I think it was Ferguson.
• 50:15
  Ferguson probably.
• 50:16
  Yeah.
• 50:16
  Yeah.
• 50:17
  And I had a better deal there with Ferguson.
• 50:18
  So you had a deal with Ferguson?
• 50:20
  Oh yeah.
• 50:20
  I got 50%.
• 50:21
  Well, yeah, there was nobody else in the car when you got there.
• 50:23
  'cause I tried that.
• 50:24
  So wait a minute.
• 50:25
  I only got 40% when I drove, but when I went in, I, he gave me 50%, 50% and plus.
• 50:31
  He had a nice wife too.
• 50:35
  I drove him for five years.
• 50:38
  He's got a better midget record than you.
• 50:40
  He drove a midget once and won.
• 50:42
  That's right.
• 50:43
  No, I drove twice.
• 50:44
  Twice.
• 50:44
  Oh, okay.
• 50:45
  I ran sales because we probably could have won up there, but we kept popping.
• 50:48
  Right.
• 50:48
  Retire off.
• 50:50
  Not a bad record.
• 50:51
  Did I run against you when you won that night?
• 50:53
  Yeah.
• 50:54
  Oh, I did.
• 50:54
  Oh, I was in the other camp.
• 50:55
  You were in the camp car.
• 50:56
  I, I finished second.
• 50:57
  You're right.
• 50:57
  No, you finished third.
• 50:58
  Okay.
• 50:59
  Sorry.
• 51:00
  To a guy like you, you had two, two guys in front of me drove with two arms.
• 51:04
  I had a handicap.
• 51:05
  I was the first handicapped.
• 51:06
  You had a handicap with two arms.
• 51:08
  I want to tell you
• 51:11
  I was handicapped, so I figured I won the race with a handicap.
• 51:14
  I was the best handicapped driver there.
• 51:15
  Yep.
• 51:18
  Now, does anybody wanna ask me a question?
• 51:20
  I've given you a lot of, I got a question for you to ask Lynn.
• 51:24
  You have, you had 50 wins?
• 51:26
  52. I want you to ask Lynn the truth.
• 51:29
  Stand low.
• 51:30
  And Smokey SBA told me that half a Lynn's 250 winds were in a snowmobile come
• 51:43
  race.
• 51:43
  Hey, wait a minute, I'm a race.
• 51:44
  Well, when is the wind?
• 51:46
  I ask the wind
• 51:50
  if he ran.
• 51:51
  That's the first time he's ever defended me in his life.
• 51:56
  Look,
• 51:59
  house for two days.
• 52:00
  Speak to me.
• 52:01
  His wife's nice at night.
• 52:02
  Everybody's nice.
• 52:03
  His kids at nice.
• 52:04
  I'm not gonna say him bad about him.
• 52:05
  What's his name?
• 52:09
  Joe.
• 52:10
  Okay, Joe.
• 52:12
  On pitching, you know where it's going, but on pitching.
• 52:15
  I mean, like I said, I didn't know you were still alive, so
• 52:21
  you gotta be alive to be a living legend.
• 52:24
  Well, that's why I'm a living legend.
• 52:25
  I'm alive.
• 52:27
  That's what you read.
• 52:28
  The what over there says, I'm a living.
• 52:30
  I didn't make it up.
• 52:31
  All of a sudden, NASCO calls me up and says, I said, what?
• 52:33
  I never in Nasco in my life.
• 52:35
  He says, you're a living legend.
• 52:36
  So you're going in, you, you've been all over the country, know we had two choices.
• 52:40
  Living or dead.
• 52:41
  Who's your PR person?
• 52:42
  Nobody.
• 52:43
  I don't know who.
• 52:44
  I know who it was.
• 52:45
  I dunno how they got your name.
• 52:46
  Well, I knew a few guys in nascar.
• 52:48
  They knew of me, I guess.
• 52:49
  I guess.
• 52:50
  I don't know.
• 52:50
  They had some, but all I know is I was so surprised.
• 52:53
  I called Maya and I said, you have anything to do with, no, I didn't
• 52:55
  have anything to do with this.
• 52:56
  And he said, well, I said, and then I get the book and in the book there.
• 53:00
  Now listen to, in the book, Ernie Saxon about 10 years ago, was a living legend.
• 53:04
  He's in as a writer and Mario and was in there from back in the day
• 53:07
  when he was the world champion.
• 53:09
  So he, he's in there too.
• 53:10
  So I guess.
• 53:11
  Maybe they ask guys, Hey, who do you know?
• 53:13
  They wanna be a legend, so whatever.
• 53:14
  Somebody was good to me.
• 53:15
  Whatever.
• 53:16
  I have a legend shirt.
• 53:18
  We don't wanna go there.
• 53:18
  I know.
• 53:19
  Well, I was gonna take it off, but the legend shirts, we see it.
• 53:22
  Did we see it?
• 53:23
  Hold it.
• 53:26
  You had to do that, didn't you?
• 53:30
  Don't take two of them.
• 53:32
  What the hell are you doing?
• 53:37
  Hold the black one down.
• 53:38
  Hold the black one.
• 53:42
  Oh my God.
• 53:43
  He needs help.
• 53:45
  He does need help.
• 53:46
  This is the one Daytona gave me, but it had only stock cars on it.
• 53:49
  NASCAR's stuff.
• 53:50
  Oh, I didn't know you drove stock cars.
• 53:52
  I did.
• 53:53
  I I wanna erase it.
• 53:54
  Uh, AllBridge.
• 53:55
  And that's one of those pictures you got in that book Shows me the stock car.
• 53:58
  I cut that picture out now.
• 54:01
  It's in there.
• 54:01
  I saw it in there.
• 54:02
  That's the one I took out the other day.
• 54:03
  I've never made the stock car.
• 54:06
  26 Ford at I won the race center and the planet all put it back down.
• 54:11
  Who sponsors your underwear?
• 54:12
  I don't wear.
• 54:15
  Oh, thanks for telling me.
• 54:18
  We needed to know that.
• 54:20
  I'm ready for action all the time.
• 54:27
  What else do you have to tell us?
• 54:29
  How about the Pauls jack?
• 54:30
  Whoa.
• 54:30
  The Pul adjust.
• 54:31
  Yeah.
• 54:32
  Yeah.
• 54:32
  When I was in the hospital with my one arm, he came to Indianapolis.
• 54:35
  He always went to Indianapolis and he said to me, do you want to go back racing?
• 54:39
  I said, sure, I'd love to go back.
• 54:40
  He said, well, I got a tq.
• 54:41
  It's for him, tall ones in the country.
• 54:43
  And he said, uh, would like you to drive, give you a shot?
• 54:46
  I said, okay.
• 54:47
  So I got outta the hospital and get married.
• 54:49
  Matter of fact, we getting married, my, my head wasn't
• 54:51
  right for about a year, married
• 54:56
  a year.
• 54:59
  So you, crap, you got a big.
• 55:04
  So about six months after I get outta the hospital, I get married November
• 55:08
  7th and my head didn't clear till about April of March of the next year.
• 55:12
  So every once in a while, you know you have family arguments with either wife.
• 55:15
  I said to her, you know, I get in a no and I said my head wasn't right then
• 55:18
  you shit at me, you still isn't right.
• 55:20
  They all laugh, go to bed.
• 55:22
  You happy with each other, but.
• 55:23
  That really happened.
• 55:24
  That really is one of the things that happened.
• 55:25
  I got married when my head in my head was still in a circle, and you know what?
• 55:28
  My wife disappeared.
• 55:30
  She died 17 years ago.
• 55:32
  I'm trying to get up there, but she doesn't want me.
• 55:33
  They said, you don't want me up here.
• 55:35
  You wanna keep me down here on earth, bother everybody.
• 55:38
  But I, I told my goal is to be a hundred years old now at Paxton,
• 55:41
  and I told Ton how I get there.
• 55:43
  I take 32 vitamins a day.
• 55:45
  Six of 'em I took at Pax House this morning.
• 55:47
  First thing I had, his wife made me a bowl of cereal.
• 55:50
  I took my six vitamin pills in the afternoon.
• 55:52
  I have a bottle of Boost, which is B-O-O-S-T.
• 55:55
  Got 27 vitamins in that.
• 55:56
  I've been taking that for like 30 years and that's why I'm in
• 55:59
  good shape and do everything.
• 56:00
  I play bce.
• 56:01
  As long as you stay alive till 5 55 tomorrow afternoon when
• 56:04
  I put you in the airplane.
• 56:05
  That's all I,
• 56:10
  so I recommend that Boost.
• 56:11
  I don't get any money for that.
• 56:12
  Boost is great Liquid drink.
• 56:14
  It is a, you've probably seen it on the market.
• 56:16
  It's the most popular nutrition drink on the market.
• 56:19
  That's why it sells out.
• 56:20
  The minute it goes into Walmart or anybody sells it, sell sells out immediately.
• 56:23
  So anyway, June came the following year.
• 56:26
  I got in the car playing Pleasant Pleasantville Racetrack.
• 56:29
  I won the heat, the semi in the feature, and my first racetrack.
• 56:32
  I went arm and I had the hook that night to put the hook around.
• 56:35
  You know, I, I used this spinning knob like, you're buying a stove for 25 cents.
• 56:39
  And I put my hook around there and I put elastic band around
• 56:41
  the hook to keep it closed.
• 56:43
  You went on a bumpy track, your own asphalt.
• 56:45
  So I won the race and you know who I passed in the last lap to the league.
• 56:48
  Hank Rogers, Jr. Was his first race.
• 56:51
  He was served that kind of four years.
• 56:53
  It was his first year back and he got in Lenny Boyd's car.
• 56:56
  He was running, leading the race.
• 56:57
  And of course I beat him.
• 56:58
  And of course I didn't really know him till after the race.
• 57:01
  But then as time went on.
• 57:02
  He was the one that got me a ride to be a teammate with him, to Midt.
• 57:06
  And I also took the, even though he took my father's ride, he said,
• 57:09
  I want you to be my teammate.
• 57:10
  He said, great Hank's father.
• 57:12
  Did he send you Christmas cards?
• 57:13
  No, he never sent me anything.
• 57:14
  Oh, okay.
• 57:15
  Thank you.
• 57:17
  Race drivers usually don't send Christmas cards to each other.
• 57:20
  Oh, that's a dig.
• 57:21
  In other words, uh, in Indian interviews when we talk about it,
• 57:25
  we kidding around with a driver.
• 57:26
  We say, well, he doesn't send me Christmas cards anyway.
• 57:29
  You know, that's the thing of I'm not gonna send you a Christmas card.
• 57:32
  Or they're the thing, you know what?
• 57:33
  They used to write about me when I was going to the USC championship.
• 57:35
  Yeah.
• 57:36
  They used to say, we're gotta send McGuire Christmas cards in August
• 57:39
  because he's not gonna be here.
• 57:40
  The way I used to drive, I mean that's the way it was.
• 57:42
  I just was one of 'em guys to get my foot to the floor.
• 57:45
  You see in all these young guys, they drive crazy and hard and
• 57:48
  you know you wanna run and look at the young guys that went in.
• 57:50
  That's the way it works.
• 57:51
  You gotta move guys.
• 57:52
  Order, get out of the way.
• 57:53
  That's the way it is and that's the way I was.
• 57:55
  But I was young.
• 57:56
  I wanted to go fast and after about 15 times on my head,
• 57:59
  I slowed down a little bit.
• 58:00
  What happened when you fell off the bicycle?
• 58:03
  Oh, that's another crash.
• 58:04
  I forgot I had another foot when I come down here.
• 58:07
  Now listen to this.
• 58:08
  This is something I come down here, I get in this over 55 group down here, right?
• 58:13
  I arrived the first Senate.
• 58:14
  And when they had trivia night, right?
• 58:17
  I go in the hall and I see a tape, all these guys sitting with yellow
• 58:19
  shirts at the table and they, they says, easy ride around 'em.
• 58:22
  I said, this must be a motorcycle crew.
• 58:24
  So I said, do you have, can I sit in this chair?
• 58:26
  I went, yeah, sit down there.
• 58:27
  So I sit down there, I passed that night.
• 58:29
  The next week comes over and I ride at the table.
• 58:32
  Now I'm friendly with these guys.
• 58:33
  I said, listen, uh, what kind of bikes do you guys ride?
• 58:36
  He said, motorcycles.
• 58:37
  He said, we don't ride motorcycles, we ride bikes.
• 58:40
  Oh.
• 58:41
  So I said, well, can I join the club?
• 58:42
  Yeah.
• 58:43
  Trouble is I can't ride a bike.
• 58:44
  I fell about five or six years before Riz.
• 58:47
  You couldn't drive race car.
• 58:48
  But that didn't stop.
• 58:48
  Well, they said, I, what happened is I fell, I fell in my driveway and hit
• 58:52
  my head, and I got a bad concussion riding up with my two wheel bike.
• 58:56
  That was about five years before.
• 58:57
  So I said, well, I said, you got anything against the three wheeler?
• 59:00
  No.
• 59:00
  So I got a three, a nine speed, three wheeler, and I joined the club.
• 59:03
  And every, what we do is Monday, Wednesday and Friday we ride to a
• 59:07
  restaurant five or six miles one way.
• 59:09
  And then we ride home and we do about 10 miles a day every other day.
• 59:12
  So I joined the bike club.
• 59:13
  That's what I do.
• 59:14
  I, it's part of my exercise.
• 59:15
  About three or four months after the three wheeler, we have a rule in the club.
• 59:19
  Stay six foot apart for each.
• 59:21
  Don't ride vania.
• 59:22
  This one guy wanted to talk to me racing.
• 59:24
  So he pulls up beside me, right?
• 59:26
  And he's got a regular two wheel brake.
• 59:27
  My bike is wide.
• 59:28
  The three wheeler, if anybody rides it, his handlebar hits my handlebar.
• 59:32
  He calls my wheeler, go in, I flip in over in, oh, crash.
• 59:35
  I'm unconscious for half hour, right in front of one of the developments.
• 59:39
  They call the ambulance.
• 59:40
  I wake up, I'm in the ambulance.
• 59:41
  Where the hell are we going?
• 59:42
  He says, you had a crash on the bike.
• 59:43
  What?
• 59:44
  Three weeks in the Holmes Hospital in in Melbourne for three weeks getting
• 59:48
  rehabilitated for a concussion.
• 59:50
  I broke three ribs on my left side.
• 59:52
  I got my side all scraped up.
• 59:53
  I had a helmet on, but you know that one of those cheap helmets
• 59:56
  from Walmart, it cracked.
• 59:58
  I got a inch and a half cash in my head.
• 1:00:00
  I had four stitches in my head.
• 1:00:02
  Anyway, I spent three, three weeks in the hospital and I got out and uh, I was okay.
• 1:00:06
  And here I am, crashed on a bike.
• 1:00:08
  Can you imagine that three wheel bike?
• 1:00:10
  What's next?
• 1:00:11
  Nothing.
• 1:00:11
  I, I still ride the bike, but what I did is all the guys had
• 1:00:16
  these regular bike helmets.
• 1:00:17
  You see 'em, it's just a flat thing, top of your head.
• 1:00:19
  And they all wear that, but they didn't have a crack.
• 1:00:21
  When I crashed, I did it.
• 1:00:22
  I split my head wide open.
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  So you know what I did?
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  I bought another helmet.
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  I bought a full racing helmet.
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  So when we're all riding, I get the full racing helmet completely closed,
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  and they say, what you got?
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  I said, I'm riding with this.
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  So everybody's got the regular bike hats and I got a regular full helmet
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  with flames on and everything else.
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  And so I looked a little out of place.
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  I'm riding with him, but that's what I'm gonna ride with.
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  I told Lynn one time after you gave him your arm, I said, I'll give
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  you a helmet and a uniform, but you ain't getting an arm from me.
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  Okay, so yours is the only one in here.
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  That's right.
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  I'm telling you interesting.
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  I may not be millionaire like Mario, but uh, I do.
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  Okay.
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  Done a lot.
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  Other accomplishments, I guess, you know, I got a lot of friends in racing.
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  A lot of people have been good to me.
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  Like here, even though I get busted once in a while, guys
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  like Len and, and uh, bill Wentz.
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  But it is all part of the game.
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  It's all like race drivers.
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  We all exaggerate a little bit.
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  Yeah.
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  We've heard everything else.
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  How's your level?
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  Well, I was, I was very good, you know.
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  How far are you going with it?
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  We've been in the movies a couple of times together and she's 82, 81 years old.
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  I'm 83.
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  So the guys in the club say, 'cause she's at the apartment next door.
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  She put a door from your apartment.
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  Her, the condo says, she said wouldn't approve that.
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  But we're all the same age.
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  The oldest guy in my club, and he plays bocce.
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  He's 97 years old.
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  The second oldest is 95, third oldest is 92.
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  And they play bocce.
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  You know, we have to hand him the blow, you know, and they can't pick it up.
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  You know, we're all full of pep and we do the things and I ride a bike and we swim.
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  I swim six lap.
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  Every other day and 'cause I hate to be outdone and when I see somebody
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  older than me doing it, do it.
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  You have any accidents with a bocce ball?
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  No.
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  Nobody threw at you?
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  No, not yet.
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  I dropped it on my foot times coming, I dropped it on my foot
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  a couple of times, but, uh, yeah.
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  Do you wear, do you wear your helmet to play bocce?
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  None.
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  Only when I ride the bike.
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  I'm glad I asked that last question there a red line, 7,000 movie.
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  Did you hear that question?
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  Were you in a red line?
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  7,000 movie?
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  There was a one arm driver in that movie.
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  Oh.
• 1:02:22
  Hm.
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  I thought it was, I thought she did a movie.
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  Didn't you do excerpts for a movie?
• 1:02:27
  Well, I did a, yeah, I did a movie talking to the microphone.
• 1:02:30
  That's did, I did a movie, but I didn't to drive race car.
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  Was that a movie with a race guy?
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  It was a one arm driver.
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  I, I did, made a movie, it's called Baren Wolf Game on Trips, the
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  worst movie that was ever made.
• 1:02:40
  And they hired me to be a, a stunt driver.
• 1:02:43
  Lou Timon asked me, he was a radio announcer and the weatherman, they knew
• 1:02:48
  he was a race driver, so they needed stunt drivers to make this movie.
• 1:02:51
  So he called me as a stunt driver, and me and him were gonna be doing
• 1:02:54
  crazy things in race, in cars, regular cars called race and stuff like that.
• 1:02:59
  But then when they, when I appeared on set, the guy says
• 1:03:02
  to me, man, you could be a sto.
• 1:03:04
  See they had two stooges, STO number one and STO number two.
• 1:03:08
  And I was stu number one in the movie.
• 1:03:10
  That was my nanny.
• 1:03:12
  What we did is you were number one and two both.
• 1:03:15
  And when I, when I did the stunts, I had to wear a beard because they
• 1:03:19
  didn't want me to look the same.
• 1:03:20
  So I did a couple stunts wearing a beard.
• 1:03:22
  When I did in the movie, they had me go to a hairdresser,
• 1:03:24
  so they made hair all curly.
• 1:03:26
  They curled me hair up to look battalion and they gave me a suit and they made
• 1:03:29
  me hook 12 inches in diameter and put a little, and then they put a thing on the
• 1:03:33
  steering wheel and I drove a Cadillac.
• 1:03:35
  We did crazy things on the road crashing here and there.
• 1:03:38
  One of the things these I did was my boss was a gangster and he had lent
• 1:03:42
  money to this guy to make a movie and he couldn't pay my boss back.
• 1:03:46
  So we had to go after him.
• 1:03:47
  And that's what the theme of the survey was, trying to
• 1:03:48
  get the money from this guy.
• 1:03:50
  All the movies were made at night.
• 1:03:51
  We went to Brooklyn, right?
• 1:03:52
  We went to the Brooklyn Bridge and I got the guy and we want that
• 1:03:55
  money so he wouldn't pay the money.
• 1:03:56
  So what we did is we took the hook, pushed him off, and we hung him
• 1:04:00
  down with a rope on the Roosevelt Parkway and he's traffic's going,
• 1:04:03
  mine, he's hanging by this rope.
• 1:04:05
  That was one scene.
• 1:04:06
  Pull him back up.
• 1:04:07
  And through the whole movie, we're trying to catch this guy to get the money.
• 1:04:11
  Catch this guy.
• 1:04:12
  It finally ended this way.
• 1:04:13
  We're in Little Italy, right?
• 1:04:15
  And we're at the counter like this, and I'm in the counter.
• 1:04:17
  You see my hook and my boss is sitting at the table with this guy.
• 1:04:20
  So this guy, the bad guy, the good guy, and he's starting to get the,
• 1:04:24
  he takes a fork and he sticks it in.
• 1:04:26
  My boss's throat was sitting at the table in an Italian
• 1:04:29
  restaurant, and we had seven.
• 1:04:30
  We did this seven times.
• 1:04:32
  Every time he sucked the thing and bud would come all over the white jacket.
• 1:04:35
  But what the scene was, you saw the arm going forward, back in the
• 1:04:39
  studio, they had a guy there with a fake throat sticking the fork in it.
• 1:04:44
  Bud skirt all over his jacket.
• 1:04:46
  So every time you did seen about seven scenes, they did the actual
• 1:04:50
  bleeding in the uh, studio.
• 1:04:53
  So you thought this guy was getting the throat stuck in him.
• 1:04:55
  So when this happened.
• 1:04:56
  The guy runs out.
• 1:04:57
  I run out after him and I get in the Cadillac, he gets in, he gets
• 1:05:00
  in a sports car and I'm chasing him down the highway, right?
• 1:05:03
  This is the way the movie ended.
• 1:05:05
  He lock some drink spin around, hits towards me, right?
• 1:05:08
  I, the last thing you see in the movie is me going, oh shit.
• 1:05:11
  He hits head on.
• 1:05:12
  There's a big sport, big explosion in the movie.
• 1:05:16
  We both, we all get killed in the movie The boss is dead for, but I
• 1:05:20
  get killed from the head on collision and the last thing you see is me
• 1:05:23
  saying, oh shit, big explosion.
• 1:05:26
  It was a canned explosion.
• 1:05:27
  Fire goes up like this.
• 1:05:29
  Then the curtain score across the screen, that movie couldn't sell.
• 1:05:32
  It didn't sell.
• 1:05:33
  So it went on private star and you know who was in the movie with us?
• 1:05:37
  She was the mama Do, no, we don't wanna know.
• 1:05:39
  Joan Ell was the star.
• 1:05:41
  She was a mama do.
• 1:05:42
  And she ran Ahoe house.
• 1:05:44
  This what.
• 1:05:48
  House.
• 1:05:48
  House would refused.
• 1:05:50
  And the hero was one.
• 1:05:51
  She, he went there all the time.
• 1:05:53
  So that's where went, she's in the movie running, doing something.
• 1:05:56
  I wasn't even in that scene, but she was in the movie and a lot of other stars
• 1:06:00
  were in the movie who made the movie.
• 1:06:02
  So the guys who made Shaft one, two, and three, they made this movie.
• 1:06:06
  So anyway, how long, how long was that movie?
• 1:06:09
  It lasted about an hour.
• 1:06:10
  I, it was horrible.
• 1:06:11
  It was a horrible, when I saw the whole movie, you even, and they showed it,
• 1:06:15
  one of the guys from the Retirement Village I in, they found it on the, it's
• 1:06:20
  on the, if you look on the Joan but ELs movie, it's called Going to Netflix.
• 1:06:24
  It's on the Barn.
• 1:06:25
  Wolf one came, he found it and showed it at the clubhouse.
• 1:06:28
  It was horrible.
• 1:06:29
  We all laughed like hell at it.
• 1:06:31
  And they showed it at the Clubhouse in Florida and horrible.
• 1:06:33
  But you can get it if you go on Netflix.
• 1:06:36
  And go under Joan Mantel's movies and read down a credits when you
• 1:06:39
  get Tover and Wolf Main trips.
• 1:06:41
  I'm in that movie and, and you went to the Academy Awards?
• 1:06:44
  No, no.
• 1:06:46
  It's a horror movie, but I made $3,500 because I had to join the Actors Guild.
• 1:06:52
  As long as you show up in the city, you get paid.
• 1:06:54
  I made 3,500 bucks for three weeks work, so I didn't laugh at that.
• 1:06:58
  So I had a lot of, a lot of memories in here.
• 1:07:00
  Somebody told me, my lawyer told me, they said, you know, we should write a book.
• 1:07:03
  We probably make a few bucks.
• 1:07:04
  I said.
• 1:07:05
  Well, why don't we wait till I'm a hundred years old?
• 1:07:06
  Because I mean, there might be a lot of things happening.
• 1:07:08
  You know how when you write a book, you sit down in a column with a
• 1:07:11
  writer and he pulls things outta you?
• 1:07:13
  Well, if you're gonna write with your right hand, I'm quitting right now.
• 1:07:19
  You know?
• 1:07:19
  That's how writers sue.
• 1:07:20
  They sit down with the, with the victim or whoever you are, and
• 1:07:23
  they pull things outta you, and you say, yeah, that's right too.
• 1:07:26
  I did that.
• 1:07:26
  I forgot that.
• 1:07:27
  And they read about your scrapbook and they say, what about, look, I've
• 1:07:30
  had a scrapbook for what, 60 years.
• 1:07:32
  There's a lot of things in there.
• 1:07:33
  I'm gonna sit, I've won 52 races, I only remember about 30.
• 1:07:36
  Who knows how many races I could have won, but I'm happy I'm alive.
• 1:07:39
  I had a lot of fun.
• 1:07:40
  I'm remembered I'm in Hall of Fame here and there and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:07:43
  And here I am here.
• 1:07:44
  But I, I gotta read the, read about it.
• 1:07:46
  I say, oh geez, I wanna race there.
• 1:07:47
  I wanna race there.
• 1:07:48
  And I gave a lot of my trophies away.
• 1:07:49
  I got about maybe down in Florida, I got about 20 trophies.
• 1:07:52
  The big ones I got, I gave some to my father, my brother,
• 1:07:55
  you know, when I was single.
• 1:07:56
  Like the guy I stayed with for two years in Jersey, when I went to
• 1:07:59
  race, I always gave him the trophies.
• 1:08:01
  I was staying at his house, you know?
• 1:08:02
  So I just looked him there.
• 1:08:04
  When you left Jersey to move to Florida, did you dig up all those
• 1:08:07
  cans in the yard with money in them?
• 1:08:09
  Yeah.
• 1:08:09
  I dig those.
• 1:08:10
  I thought you would I dig all those.
• 1:08:11
  That's how I, that's how I paid cash for everything.
• 1:08:13
  I went to Florida.
• 1:08:14
  There you go.
• 1:08:15
  You all had cash.
• 1:08:16
  I said, wow.
• 1:08:16
  What I did, I had four, two cars and I used to park my
• 1:08:19
  antique cos in the backyard.
• 1:08:21
  And my money was all, I was a ground guy.
• 1:08:23
  I put everything, I didn't put anything in the bank or stocks or anything else.
• 1:08:25
  I put all my money in the ground.
• 1:08:27
  I used to tell the guys this.
• 1:08:28
  I had a metal plate.
• 1:08:29
  I parked the antique pedal with the metal plate and, and the guys wouldn't believe
• 1:08:32
  me, the guys I backed all the cars, that one, they lifted the metal plates up.
• 1:08:36
  One hit twenties and one hit tens and one hit fifties in and they
• 1:08:39
  were all filled up with money and I didn't know how much was in there.
• 1:08:41
  Finally, when I came to Florida, took on all and the guys believed me and they
• 1:08:44
  didn't believe me when they said, wow.
• 1:08:46
  So all my antique cars, I parked a car on top of 'em.
• 1:08:49
  They had to steal the antique car to get the money, but everybody knew that.
• 1:08:52
  But nobody did anything.
• 1:08:53
  'cause see, I knew all the crooks in town.
• 1:08:55
  That was the secret.
• 1:08:56
  Hey, I don't want you to let all your nuggets out.
• 1:08:59
  Now save some of them.
• 1:09:00
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• 1:09:03
  The only reason I come up here is to look at this.
• 1:09:05
  It pretty spies me when I come up here.
• 1:09:07
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