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Episode 239: We need to discuss AI in gaming... · WASD and Beyond

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  Every year for Christmas we would take that screenshot of
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  the little Grinch with the tree and we would all post on our
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  Instagrams. We did this for a long time
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  before he got really fucking angry and reported all the
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  photos. But we would tag Wheeler and be
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  like, hey look, it's Wheeler on Christmas morning when he gets
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  his shit rocked by his dad instead of getting presents.
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  Oh. My God.
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  He got, he got pretty sick of it, pretty like after the third
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  year he goes when there's 15 people commenting on my dad
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  Beats Me on Christmas and posting a picture of Baby
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  Grinch. It gets kind of old.
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  You know, I'm like, you bully everybody.
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  He's like, not on Christmas. Like.
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  Christmas, it's a sacred holiday.
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  That's like the line. It's like what are you talking
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  about bro you deserve this. Quit being soft.
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  I didn't say that, I just went Oh my bad bro and.
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  Then you did it the next year. Didn't you did it?
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  Yeah. Well, every year.
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  Every year until we he started reporting it.
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  So I was like Azar Azar. He'll forget you should do it
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  again this year, just because. I don't follow him.
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  He is. I had him unfollow me and I am
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  tumultuous. I don't want.
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  To just say you blocked him, do it.
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  I didn't block him, I just made. Him.
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  Follow him to tag him. Yeah, just tag him.
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  Oh, I'll do it. I'll do it.
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  Just wait till Christmas morning, go to my feed.
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  You're going to laugh your ass off.
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  You know what? You won't laugh your ass off
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  too. Probably this episode because
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  it's a pretty divisive 1. Welcome back to the WASD and
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  Beyond podcast, everybody. We are your hosts, Nick, Brody
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  and Evan. All three of us are in a virtual
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  room together in the Internet, and we're having a great time.
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  Yeah, we're in the Internet. We are in the Internet.
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  We can't be together at all because the roads suck, Brody
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  lives far, and no one wants to be around Nick anyways.
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  It's all right. It's the greatest travesty.
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  It's I'm not what is happening? About that anyways yeah welcome
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  back to the show everybody before we get into it, check out
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  If you want to talk to us about today's topic, hit us up
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  our opinions on this very topic and you could make fun of us on
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  YouTube. Go like and subscribe there and
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  then post a bunch of hate. That's good.
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  We want it. Bring it.
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  You make people talk about us. You like rage maxing right now?
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  Are you like trying to piss people off so much that they you
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  get views for it or like listen to what's the goal?
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  Here seems that way. He's gonna be the thumbnail for
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  sure. That's the vague idea I'm
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  getting out of this. The thumbnails will be me going
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  but is it bad? I have that exact picture.
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  I was gonna say that's you. Fuck, that's definitely
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  somewhere. Man of a few typical faces.
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  Anyways, the game awards have come and gone.
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  Evan, myself and John have to re record an episode because the
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  episode that we recorded sounded like Diary of a Madman and it
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  will be released in like a year from now.
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  As a ha ha, I'm I saved that. Off over, over my dead body,
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  ladies and gentlemen. I'll pay and owe you 10 bucks.
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  That's OK. That's not.
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  Release the Evan Cut now. Yeah, dude, that's lore.
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  Now we have an Evan. Cut just just released the six
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  minutes of me laughing because I don't know what I'm laughing at.
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  There was I still nothing will ever beat the year where you
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  were wearing the full suit. That was good.
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  That was a good year. That was a.
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  Good year. That was a good year overall,
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  the whole. I think I slowed that clip of
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  the drunk Evan Cam. Oh yeah, that was good.
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  That was a good one. This one was work.
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  This wasn't like funny the the the episode that we did that was
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  live on Twitch so. It's just incomprehensible.
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  It's just like. You're gibberish.
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  At one point he is slurring his words.
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  I'm like, yeah, man. How about the dev stranded?
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  Yeah. And Evan, it's God damn.
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  It's oh, it's bad. It is bad.
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  Awful, but Des stranded, he released one.
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  Yeah, Des Strandedon. That's just, yeah, just
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  Strandedon. We are nothing if not
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  professional here. We had a blast.
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  I don't care Game Awards has come and gone.
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  Mixed reactions there from the entire community from Expedition
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  33 winning everything it was nominated for to what didn't win
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  and just the overall presentation really How the game
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  awards ended the lead off video game.
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  Everyone went OK and everyone who's involved is going what do
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  you mean it's cool? And everyone went no, that's
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  shit from a butt. Which one was the lead off?
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  It's the IT was the hero shooter where it felt like just a bunch
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  of slop thrown together. I was thinking lead off as in
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  like the start you're talking. About yeah, the end.
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  He means the like the the one more thing.
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  Yeah, whatever. Yeah and and John I will say got
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  me with this cuz the next day I was in the discord and obviously
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  I'm hungover and he's like yeah you really liked that last game
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  And I was like no I didn't. I was like cuz I saw it
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  obviously throughout Friday and I was so mad at it cuz I was
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  like that's the last game they showed and John was like no, you
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  actually did not like it. And I was like, OK, good to see
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  it's consistent. The only thing that does have
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  going for it is the fact that it is free to play.
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  So on that's your happenstance that that game comes out and
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  doesn't suck complete balls. It might actually survive
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  because it's free to play, unlike Marathon.
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  Or. Rivals, you don't want to spend
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  40 bucks on that shit for a but. No.
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  Or or record, right? Yeah.
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  Overwatch is. Rivals is free.
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  Overwatch is free. Oh, Rivals is free too, That's
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  right. I I don't know why I was
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  thinking otherwise. So I I mean that that is one
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  thing it does have in its corner.
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  They they picked the right price for people to be like, fuck it,
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  I will try it and maybe it's good.
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  I from the trailer, I'm not excited, but it's at at least
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  there is that possibility of like, hey man, maybe the
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  movement in this game is a lot of fun and but why is everything
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  got to be a fucking hero shooter?
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  Like why was that any? Of that, if that game was just a
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  regular multiplayer game, I could see how it could be fun,
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  but the fact they made it a hero shooter is what takes me out of
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  it. I'm like, I don't, I don't know.
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  We have those. Yes.
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  There's a lot of good amount of them.
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  What if they made it like I mean it's Titanfall devs right Ex
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  respawn devs? If they had made it just like a
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  a Titanfall multiplayer without the Max and some destructible
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  environments it could have been really cool.
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  Just do just do the pilots or the arena like the 3V3 mode from
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  Apex has its own game or do like yeah, like you said, like where
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  it's just team deathmatch with the pilots from Titanfall and
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  like some planet somewhere. But yeah, they just have no Max
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  or something like that. Or just stop being little
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  bitches and go back to Titanfall.
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  Go back to making Titanfall. I just want Titanfall 3.
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  Just make Titanfall 3 like oh you.
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  Want also ends with three. They're, I was going to say
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  they're reversed to something with three now too.
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  There's a, it's an, it's an infection.
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  Why didn't you ever talk to me the other day, Nick?
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  There should never be a. Last oh what he's 3 on this 11
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  timeout timeout. Evan, what do you?
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  Want to talk about? I'm curious.
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  No, I won't put you through. No, because not on the show.
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  No, no, I don't need your sassy ass coming after me.
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  Technically speaking, what we are discussing today does have
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  direct correlation to a specific thing in that sphere, but we'll
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  get to that later. There is a with all the RAM
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  prices and the. 6° of Half Life 3, Is that what I'm hearing?
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  6° of valve at this point I mean.
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  It's gonna be ARC Raiders 1 multiplayer game award.
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  So Gen. AI caused RAM prices to spike,
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  which is why Steam Machine won't get announced.
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  Which is why Half Life through there's like four or five
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  degrees I'm getting. There, that's that that.
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  Bertie's. Bertie's like trying to go
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  through the data census. Let me grab my tinfoil hat real
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  quick. Yeah, yeah, I'll put that on all
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  right. I need to make one for this
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  show. I think every time Nick starts
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  going on 1/2 life three thing just.
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  Just it's more shitly desk somewhere.
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  More shitly. More shitly.
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  Uh huh, uh huh. And just like we were going to
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  get the announcement at The Game Awards.
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  We were so close. I don't think so were.
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  We were we because the one last thing was a hero shooter.
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  I never truly thought we would get that at the game.
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  It's a hope, right? If it wasn't going to be
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  released prior. It's always been a hope, pretty.
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  Confident I. Feel some type of way?
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  Real life note here, but at work leading up to the Game Awards
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  last week, I would occasionally lean over and I would look and
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  see what Nick had on. And it was 99% of the time
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  almost always Tyler Mcvicker on Twitch.
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  And it was like, it looks like it looks like that image of
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  Charlie from It's Always Sunny with the Pepe Sylvia board.
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  Like it looks like every stream image looks like that on his
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  stream because he just looks insane.
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  He's like, he's like, it's here and it's like, it probably is,
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  but like you don't need to do all this.
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  It's got. Red strings strung up
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  everywhere. It's like wrapped around his
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  neck and wrapped around his spiders and just yeah, it.
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  Got Oh yeah, it's everywhere. It got so bad at me for work
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  that I was being roasted by my like boss boss while my boss
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  boss was going on a trip. It was like, hey how, how was
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  that Half life 3 announcement? You a nerd?
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  And I went. Specifically said he
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  specifically said. I'm so happy that he said I'm
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  specifically he was like, I'm so happy at that.
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  Half Life 3 got announced. Oh, wait.
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  And then? It's not, it's not Valve style.
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  They would absolutely just announce that shit on a random
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  Tuesday and be like what will happen?
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  Fucking take it. Right, which is what will
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  happen. But to get back.
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  At another Half Life game, not Half Life 3 because it's never
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  happening. I love you.
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  I'm sorry. Love you.
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  But to get back at him and Brendan, what I did was they
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  were, they were. They're in, they were in a
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  different state and I found out which bar they were at and I
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  hijacked the touch tunes. So I started I, I had, I had
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  coins. So I played Tiny Tim over the
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  touch tunes while they were in the bar.
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  And so people had the entire bar, I guess was like, what the
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  fuck is this? Because all you hear is tip
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  throw through the Tulip while you're trying to drink.
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  Yep. And then, and then, and then we
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  rickrolled them. Connor and I rickrolled them
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  too. Hell yeah, that's.
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  Good states away and I got the answers anyways.
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  Anyways. Speaking of getting rickrolled.
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  Yeah, fuck. Gen.
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  AI, yeah. So Gen. generative AIAI in
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  general in the gaming industry right now is kind of a hot
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  topic. The word slop this year is the.
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  Webster. That's Merriam Webster's word of
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  the Year. Yeah, awful stuff we are going
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  through in this timeline. It's divide.
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  It's it's very divisive, right? So either people are like, it's,
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  it's a right or they're like, absolutely not.
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  We, I guess, are going to put ourselves in the crossfire here
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  and give our opinions on generative AI.
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  Brody and I did not agree to walk out and do a firing squad.
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  I'll walk into the firing squad all.
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  Right. Fuck it.
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  I'll fucking do it. I think it has a place when used
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  in a way that is not taking jobs from someone and used as a
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  device to help make games or repeat actions that have already
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  been done. Or in the case of Larian, right,
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  that's the big one that came out in the last couple days.
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  They're like, yeah, we use some AI and it got completely
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  misconstrued because journalists are Jack offs.
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  And Swin came out and was like, hey, we use it basically in the
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  dream boarding phase, right? Like getting ideas.
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  As someone who runs DND campaigns, I also use it
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  sometimes to get ideas because I'm fucking brain dead when it
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  comes to making things from time to time.
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  Right. I don't ever use the ideas they
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  give me, but it gets me in the right headspace to create what I
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  want to create. I think there is a place for AII
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  think it is a tool, not a replacement.
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  A tool that can be used to help get the brain flowing in the
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  direction you want or do something repetitive that
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  doesn't need to be done by an individual.
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  It should never replace art, should never replace music,
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  should never replace a a person. Right, because games are at the
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  end of the day, even the games that feel heartless, they are
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  still a labor of love right? Like the developers are not the
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  ones that are making games fucking terrible for you.
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  It's usually executives that are making that call, but executives
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  in the same vein are the ones that are wanting to use AI
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  because they can cut jobs and increase their profit margin.
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  In the the grand scheme of things.
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  I think if approached properly, which it will not be if
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  approached properly by, you know, a studio like Larian,
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  right? Using it for dream boarding.
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  I think it is a good tool. I don't think it is any
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  different than using something as like Excel or fucking Word
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  right? It is a tool.
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  It should not be the end all be all.
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  It should not be what you were completely making your game
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  based on. It should not create the art
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  that the end user is going to see, nor should the people that
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  are creating the art utilize too many functions of it right?
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  They should use it as just something, hey this is put you
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  in the right headspace of what you want.
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  Hey, I'm having a hard time picturing this.
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  It's a good way to go through a lot of sources in a quick manner
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  without having to endlessly Google and waste time right?
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  But that being said, anytime you defend AI in any capacity it
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  gets a lot of pushback, which I fully I agree with right?
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  Like I'm not a big fan of AI I but I don't think that if used
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  properly, it is a hindrance to what is happening in the gaming
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  industry. Like when Larian came out and
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  was like, hey, we do use it in the this dream board phase.
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  We have 23 concept artists out of like 86 artists that are are
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  employed by them and they want to hire more.
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  They already are placing their. 24 more, 24 more concept
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  artists. So nearly like 4748 total
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  artists. Nearly 50 artists more.
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  Yeah, and don't get me wrong, there's tons of games on Steam
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  that release every week that are are this AI slop right.
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  Oh yes, just completely generated all of the arts,
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  fucking randomly generated shit from the Internet and it should
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  not exist. And we have reached the point
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  where now Steam has put an AI tag on there.
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  We had to deal with Epic, Tim Sweeney not too long ago being
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  like, listen I everything's going to be made by AI
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  eventually. And everyone hated that.
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  Shocker, Yeah. And he's.
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  A scumbag and fucking yeah. But I think Steam was doing the
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  right thing by being like hey it uses AI and it's up to the
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  developer to explain what they use AI for.
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  Which I think is good right? If if a developer can make a
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  good case for what they are using AI for, The people who are
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  getting butthurt about AI being used, like read the fucking
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  description. There was a game not too long
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  ago. I'm drawing a blank on what it
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  was. I think it might have been that
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  Metal Eden game we played. They used some AI for something
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  in the game and they got completely just bombarded.
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  Yeah. It was like these terrible
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  reviews and this and that. And they're like, listen,
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  motherfuckers. Like they even responded to a
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  couple comments. They were very professional
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  about it. They're like, we used AI for
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  this exact purpose. This is the only thing it is
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  used for and it was like a non consequential like no big deal.
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  But they people are just blowing them up.
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  And it's like, that's not, that's not OK either, right?
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  You don't, you don't go after people for using Photoshop.
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  You don't go after people for doing, you know, any sort of
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  editing to their things. Like why is it OK to attack a
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  small indie dev over using AI for something that doesn't even
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  affect the end product? Like you wouldn't even know it
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  was there if that tag wasn't there.
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  That is where it's not OK anytime you see, I also like, I
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  follow a lot of art pages on like Reddit and things like
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  that. So you get every time somebody
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  posts artwork, this looks like AI slop.
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  It's like, no, it's not everything is AI slop.
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  And all of the comments just are, that's all it is, is people
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  arguing whether it's AI or not. And they're like, well, if you
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  look at this and it's like, no, they just didn't use lighting,
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  right? Like, it happens, Yeah.
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  Lighting's notoriously hard in art, right?
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  They don't have 6 fingers and three balls.
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  Like, what are we doing here? It it's, it's not a big deal,
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  Like, but everything call back. Yeah, right.
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  Go go listen to Rule for Deception.
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  Yeah, 9 toes, 3 balls. But yeah, I just, I, I hate how
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  artists in this day and age are just getting completely tore
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  apart, getting accused of AI when it's not AI, right?
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  Not everything is AI, but that's the world we live in now where
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  there is so much AI shit out there that everybody's getting
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  completely bombarded with these fucking comments of being like,
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  yeah, AI slop, blah, blah blah, blah, blah.
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  But in the same token, I hate that there's a lot of tattoo
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  artists out there that are using nothing but AI and, and
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  tattooing AAI fucking bullshit on people.
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  Right? Like that's not good either.
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  I it, it's a hard conversation to have because there is a place
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  for it. I I all of these companies that
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  are investing heavily into it and driving the prices of GP, US
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  and RAM up can suck my fucking Dick from the back and I hope it
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  all implodes on them and they lose a fuck load of money
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  because that's fucking horseshit.
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  Like the consumer should not be paying for your bullshit.
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  RAM should not be 500 fucking dollars that's insane.
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  For a fucking 32 gig kit that you know.
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  Like and not even that fast of a speed.
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  Yeah, you know, fucking 3200 megahertz, OK, Like, yeah, what
• 19:08
  are we doing here? Yeah.
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  Yeah, exactly. It's like, why even build a
• 19:11
  computer other why build your own?
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  Just buy a prebuilt because they're going to have to eat the
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  cost on it. That's so like.
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  If they don't mark their shut up way more anyways.
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  I mean, Micro Center had their three deals like their three,
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  you know, their their motherboard RAM and CPU kits
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  come out again for combos. And I was surprised that some of
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  them being like 6-7 hundred 800 bucks and I'm like there's 32
• 19:32
  gigs of RAM in there. Like how you doing that?
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  What a steal, Yeah. And it wasn't by this, it was
• 19:37
  Zelda Ram. It was like your. 56000 And I
• 19:40
  was like, OK, And it was like $672 for the three, all three
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  parts. And I was like, it's like, all
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  right, So what are you doing? I have a 64 gig kit in my closet
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  right now of DDR5 like 6. You a rich bitch then?
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  Yeah, really. I don't.
• 19:54
  I don't like flexing it often. I'm just letting you guys God.
• 19:57
  Damn, when? I got you all right.
• 19:58
  Statements like Nick. Slapped that bad boy on the
• 20:00
  table. It's like I got 64 gigs of ram
• 20:03
  I'm not even using. These.
• 20:05
  Are my eddies. Eddies are actually just sticks
• 20:08
  of RAM, if you didn't know. Yeah.
• 20:11
  But yeah, I mean that that's my whole sentiment is I think it
• 20:15
  has a place, but it has gotten out of control and so many
• 20:17
  companies are using it poorly and making it bad for everyone
• 20:21
  else. And also fuck you guys for
• 20:23
  driving up the price of RAM. I'm glad I built my emulator PC
• 20:27
  last earlier this year before everything went up.
• 20:30
  Before this, cat had yeah. I'm so glad I don't have to
• 20:34
  upgrade for a while yet because. Everyone's pat.
• 20:36
  They're running Pat. They're just like, don't break
• 20:39
  down, don't break down. I just put more RAM in in my
• 20:42
  son's PC too like earlier this year.
• 20:44
  I like completely lucked out on all of this.
• 20:47
  I was like holy shit. Oh my God, Alex has my DDR5 ram.
• 20:51
  You don't even have it in, Alex has.
• 20:53
  These rich now he's. Rich to jump into the proverbial
• 20:59
  firing squad now or jump in front of it.
• 21:02
  I largely agree with pretty. I actually pretty much agree
• 21:04
  with everything you said. I don't think there's a single
• 21:06
  thing I disagree with. I agree in the sense that AI
• 21:09
  should be used as a tool. I don't think it should ever be
• 21:11
  a replacement. Absolutely.
• 21:14
  Like you said, you know, music, arts, movies, TV shows, all of
• 21:19
  those things at the end of the day should be made by humans.
• 21:23
  And I think that's a very important distinction.
• 21:27
  Part of this is a very important distinction is that they're
• 21:29
  talking about, they're at the stage where, like you said, and
• 21:32
  I will be completely honest, not only have all three of us at one
• 21:40
  point or another used AI related to D and DI.
• 21:42
  Remember when we were doing like we were in the really heavy
• 21:45
  phase of that a couple years ago and it was John, both of you
• 21:51
  guys, myself, we were all using AI and.
• 21:53
  Some sort of to? Flesh out we either mid journey
• 21:56
  to flesh out the idea of what we were looking for or we were
• 21:59
  using ChatGPT to sort of spruce some things up and give some
• 22:02
  things a bit more flare or pop. I specifically use that a little
• 22:05
  bit and that's coming from someone who enjoys writing like,
• 22:09
  but like I don't I'm not that great of a creative writer.
• 22:12
  I can get the basic ideas down and I can filter, I can, I can
• 22:16
  fill in a bit more than that. But I, if I say particularly
• 22:21
  don't have the time to spend, you know, for a couple hours a
• 22:25
  night, you know, trying to really get in the headspace of
• 22:27
  a, of a fictional character and stuff like that.
• 22:29
  And instead I can go, OK, I have the basic understanding of what
• 22:33
  I want. I'll write out this whole Word
• 22:35
  document myself and then I'm going to feed it into chat GP
• 22:37
  and say, really don't change anything.
• 22:39
  Just make it sound more poppy, creative, whatever.
• 22:43
  And then I read through that and I proofread it myself.
• 22:47
  And then after I make my changes, then I send it to my DM
• 22:51
  and go, here's my back story. Or I, I create, you know, that I
• 22:56
  have mid journey, go show me a couple like of different ideas
• 22:58
  of like a person that looks like this wearing this sort of armor.
• 23:01
  It's in this sort of sci-fi universe.
• 23:03
  OK, this is sort of the idea. Now I'm going to create
• 23:05
  something on my own, then show it to somebody, you know, and
• 23:08
  that's exactly what I think Larian did and is doing is it's,
• 23:12
  and they've been a very, I think that like at least one has been
• 23:15
  very honest about that. It seems in that he's very much
• 23:19
  like we use it for, you know, PowerPoint presentations, which
• 23:22
  is like, as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't care less.
• 23:25
  9 times out of 10 the concept art is not what actually goes
• 23:28
  into the game anyway, right? Like right, you look at concept
• 23:31
  art for cyber, look at dispatch, it looks entirely different.
• 23:34
  Or dispatch. Or you can read or you can see
• 23:37
  the concept art for dispatch in the game.
• 23:39
  And then you can go and look at blonde blazer in the game and
• 23:42
  go, oh, that's like you can see how they took certain pieces,
• 23:45
  but it's not all one of the original concept arts.
• 23:48
  It's an amalgamation of it, which is kind of what it's used
• 23:51
  for. And in my opinion, if it's,
• 23:55
  that's a big part of this for me is that a lot of people are
• 23:58
  saying a lot of things without even knowing what tools they're
• 24:02
  using. Yeah.
• 24:03
  Like nobody knows what engine they're using, nobody knows what
• 24:07
  type of machine learning software they're using if it's
• 24:10
  built into their tool set, tool set that they currently use.
• 24:13
  Like I'm sorry, I just, I flat out don't believe that Larian is
• 24:17
  just like has a tab open for ChatGPT or Sora and they're just
• 24:21
  like typing in like make me a cool like fantasy lizard having
• 24:27
  sex with like a human. And then they put that in the
• 24:29
  trailer they showed at the channel.
• 24:30
  I don't think that's what happened.
• 24:32
  Absolutely not. And nobody who played Boulder's
• 24:35
  Gate 3 could honestly be like, yeah, this is AI.
• 24:38
  There's no, not a single fucking bit of that I believe would be
• 24:43
  AI. Like there's too much heart,
• 24:45
  there's too much soul, there's too much passion behind that
• 24:47
  project. And I, I, I don't expect there
• 24:50
  to be any change in divinity, right?
• 24:52
  Like I think it's going to be the same and it's.
• 24:55
  I think it's going to be more right.
• 24:57
  This is their baby, this is, this is their idea.
• 25:00
  This is this is, you know, so that's another incentive to
• 25:03
  this, which is I, I think important.
• 25:05
  Like I think it's important to take the sum of everything that
• 25:08
  we've learned over the past couple weeks and then apply it
• 25:10
  to like today, which was that whole statue that was the TS
• 25:15
  that ended up being divinity, specifically one of the
• 25:18
  developers crown. Well, I think he's one of the
• 25:21
  other big devs from Larian on Twitter.
• 25:23
  And his big thing from that statue that he talked about was
• 25:27
  that it was very important for us to build this physically and,
• 25:32
  and, and have it be such high quality and take some
• 25:36
  interesting photos with it and sort of, you know, tease
• 25:38
  everybody 1st and then you guys sort of discover what it was.
• 25:41
  But it's about it being a physical thing in real life.
• 25:44
  It's not a generated image. He's specifically, I think, says
• 25:47
  it's not AI. It's not.
• 25:49
  And he said people when it first was shown off when, when
• 25:52
  specifically, like Nick, you pointed out like the alligator
• 25:55
  on the side of the crocodile or whatever, you know, like all
• 25:57
  these other things. And you're like, well, that's
• 25:58
  not, you know, this franchise or that front, you know, that
• 26:01
  doesn't exist. And they're like, you know,
• 26:04
  people were saying, well, it must be AI.
• 26:06
  And it's like, this was a point to prove that it's not in that
• 26:09
  it's a physical thing that we had artists do.
• 26:12
  And then that happens, The game awards happen.
• 26:16
  And then where, By the way, Arc Raiders, a game that has been
• 26:19
  very open about its Gen. AI usage and create and part in
• 26:23
  its creative process. I will take that back a little
• 26:25
  bit. They've admitted that they use
• 26:27
  it. I would like to see exactly how
• 26:28
  it works or how they do it before I make a final judgement.
• 26:34
  But in that instance, it's like I just take it from like I said
• 26:38
  this to Nick the other day, which was you don't What annoys
• 26:41
  me about like, and I saw a lot of this on Twitter was like, oh,
• 26:44
  this is like goodwill losing simulator, you know, speed run
• 26:50
  things like that. And it's like, so let me get
• 26:51
  this straight. The game comes out in what,
• 26:53
  2022-2023 Ballersgate 3? And then you have two years of
• 26:58
  have excellent post launch support.
• 27:00
  You also had what, a year of early access I think?
• 27:04
  I don't remember. How many years?
• 27:05
  Ago or something like that? So you have a year of early
• 27:07
  access where the community helps guide the development so the
• 27:10
  game becomes even better. The game comes out, sells
• 27:14
  gangbusters more than they expected, wins a whole bunch of
• 27:17
  game awards and a whole bunch of other awards.
• 27:19
  And then they have an excellent two years of post launch content
• 27:22
  where they give us an in game bod manager and improvements to
• 27:26
  a whole bunch of quests and processes and things like that.
• 27:29
  A way to customize your character in game that wasn't
• 27:32
  there before. And they also give each class
• 27:34
  another subclass. And then they go, OK, now we're
• 27:36
  moving on to the next thing. All this goodwill's earned up.
• 27:39
  They have one interview where spend says, yeah, we use AI at
• 27:42
  the beginning to generate some like it's like to explore ideas.
• 27:46
  And then apparently all of that's lost.
• 27:49
  Come on. Give it a week and that'll be
• 27:52
  completely gone. Like I mean.
• 27:54
  Listen, people are going to forget about.
• 27:56
  It I love cyberpunk in the state it currently is in, but when
• 28:01
  that launched it was a fucking shit show.
• 28:02
  I bring this up all the time because everybody now is like
• 28:06
  just fucking brothing at the mouth for anything from CD
• 28:10
  Project Red. Cyberpunk is also now like what
• 28:13
  Crisis was when it dropped. It's like, can your computer run
• 28:16
  Cyberpunk, right? You know, it's like, so we're
• 28:18
  using that as we're using that as the template now for if your
• 28:22
  computer is worthy. But when it first dropped,
• 28:25
  everybody using that template, it didn't matter.
• 28:27
  Wasn't shy about saying everybody it's never going to be
• 28:30
  good. I'll never like this.
• 28:31
  And those people are like, oh, what are you talking?
• 28:32
  I never said, yeah, I guess you fucking did.
• 28:35
  This could be the same thing in a couple weeks to a couple years
• 28:37
  for this. Save those tweets from the.
• 28:40
  My main point with that though is look at how everybody is
• 28:44
  super excited about the next fucking CD project red thing and
• 28:48
  they completely already forgot about a God awful fucking launch
• 28:52
  that lasted years before it was finally to the state that it was
• 28:56
  due again. And the same thing happened with
• 28:58
  the Witcher 3 and they forgot about it then.
• 29:01
  And two, like all of these things that get blown up in, in
• 29:05
  the gaming sphere, and obviously we are closer than a lot of
• 29:09
  people are because we do this, right?
• 29:12
  Yeah, we do. So we hear all of this, we hear
• 29:14
  all the bullshit. We hear all the fucking this and
• 29:16
  that and the, the, the problem of the week.
• 29:19
  And then the next week they're like, Oh my God, Larian.
• 29:22
  Oh, after the week before they left shitty comments all over
• 29:25
  everything Larian did because they said they use AI to fucking
• 29:29
  dream board something like what are we doing here?
• 29:31
  Right? I it it's so predictable at this
• 29:35
  point that somebody's going to get mad about something and the
• 29:38
  next thing comes out and they fucking just.
• 29:41
  And I have a particular bone to pick because I unfortunately it
• 29:45
  might OK, I'll say this. My, my algorithm on Twitter is
• 29:48
  very much tailored to who I am as a person.
• 29:50
  I feel it's pretty, it gets a lot of things right.
• 29:53
  And I see a lot of artists that I'm seeing both takes on my feed
• 29:57
  right now, which is I'm seeing a lot of artists and a lot of
• 30:00
  people who also have worked in gaming comment back to Larian
• 30:04
  and they have good takes or not good takes or bad takes because
• 30:06
  that's obviously subjected to me.
• 30:08
  But they've had either pro Larian takes or like anti Larian
• 30:11
  takes on this. However you want to read that as
• 30:13
  you know, or like anti AI, pro AI, whatever.
• 30:15
  And a lot of the thing that I have an issue with is that when
• 30:21
  I'm reading the people who are sort of like, one of the big
• 30:25
  things I took away that I didn't think about, which I was
• 30:28
  thankful to learn from a lot of these sorts of responses was
• 30:31
  that. So again, same company that
• 30:35
  earned all this goodwill was also honest in this interview
• 30:39
  and was like, this is what we use it for.
• 30:42
  And Swen had to say those comments, issue a statement to
• 30:47
  IGN and then tweet something out himself.
• 30:51
  And then after he tweeted that thing out, which has gotten I
• 30:54
  think the last time I looked it was like around 52,000 likes or
• 30:57
  whatever. So it's pretty good compared to
• 30:59
  especially to a lot of the replies in terms of just like
• 31:01
  what he said. And I thought it was pretty well
• 31:03
  worded myself. All of the comments are still,
• 31:08
  but you're not getting it. And it's like, so do you think
• 31:11
  that? OK, so this is a studio that by
• 31:14
  and large the community, the public has loved, as well as
• 31:18
  developers both working with them and outside, like from the
• 31:21
  outside going, wow, you guys are like a great, you guys run a
• 31:24
  great ship. And the game that came out was,
• 31:26
  guess what? It wasn't Cyberpunk.
• 31:28
  It wasn't plagued with tons of bucks.
• 31:30
  It ran very good. It ran on older hardware.
• 31:33
  It was a fun game and they had all that goodwill.
• 31:38
  And for being honest, he got a shitstorm.
• 31:42
  Do you think that that encourages any other developer
• 31:44
  to ever be honest again? Do you think like and, and let's
• 31:48
  be honest. We already knew that Infinity
• 31:51
  Ward Activision, whoever made the pre the Black Ops 7 just now
• 31:53
  Treyarch, they use Gen. AI for making a bunch of their
• 31:56
  calling cards. We know that.
• 31:57
  We know that Arc Raiders, which just won Multiplayer Game Award
• 32:01
  Best Multiplayer Game award, uses Gen.
• 32:04
  AI at some point in its process. Better bring up Expedition 33 as
• 32:07
  well. Expedition 33 did admit that
• 32:09
  they also used Gen. AI, which I again like.
• 32:11
  People completely forgot about people completely.
• 32:14
  I didn't. I didn't even know that until
• 32:15
  after they just swept every single category they were
• 32:18
  nominated for. And that doesn't mean I think
• 32:21
  they deserve to lose them. I just didn't know that.
• 32:24
  Also studio of like fucking what 40 people or something like.
• 32:28
  That, and that's the thing, is that you know what, Not once at
• 32:31
  any point when I have played the game did I ever think that
• 32:34
  anything I saw was made with AI at all.
• 32:37
  No, it was. It all felt from the heart.
• 32:39
  Absolutely. I'm sure they did similar to
• 32:41
  what Larian does right? I think that is I, I know I
• 32:45
  already said it, but I think that's the perfect fucking use
• 32:48
  for it because it is taking things from the Internet and
• 32:51
  combining them and then you run with that to create your own
• 32:55
  thing. And we, we live in a world where
• 32:57
  we are remaking movies year after year.
• 32:59
  We are remaking television shows.
• 33:01
  There's there's very few ideas that have not been done at this
• 33:05
  point. Let's be entirely honest, there
• 33:07
  are very few original ideas anymore, right?
• 33:11
  And I don't say that as a, as a go steal someone else's idea,
• 33:15
  but you are going to take inspirations from what you know.
• 33:18
  You are going to be inspired by the art that you consume, and in
• 33:23
  this way they are taking things. They're taking instead of going
• 33:27
  to a singular post and being like, OK, so this is what they
• 33:30
  did. I'm going to do that.
• 33:31
  They are taking an amalgamation of things and then
• 33:34
  springboarding off of that to create something new.
• 33:37
  Also, what's in their? Head.
• 33:38
  Oh, sorry, I thought you well, Yeah, yeah.
• 33:40
  I thought you meant talking about the people who complain
• 33:42
  about it, because that's what I'm sorry, right, I'm misread.
• 33:45
  But like, for me, I am someone who goes through writer's block
• 33:48
  a lot. I, I, I have these little
• 33:53
  moments of creativity and these little moments of like, oh, I
• 33:57
  know exactly what I want to do. And then in where I'm prepping
• 34:00
  for the next DND session, I'm like, fuck.
• 34:03
  And so the, the, the last session, you both were in it.
• 34:08
  Yeah, I I was struggling, like really, really struggling to put
• 34:13
  something together. I knew the general idea of what
• 34:16
  I wanted to do, but I didn't know exactly how I wanted to
• 34:19
  piece it together. I used ChatGPT.
• 34:22
  I go, hey, this is my idea, This is what I want to do.
• 34:25
  It spit out some things. I didn't use a single fucking
• 34:27
  thing from it, but it got my brain moving in the direction I
• 34:31
  wanted to it. I didn't like literally took
• 34:34
  nothing from the the prompt it gave me and I go perfect, I've
• 34:39
  got the idea now and then I was able to create my own thing.
• 34:42
  Just because they're using the generative AI doesn't mean that
• 34:45
  they are actually stealing those ideas, right?
• 34:48
  Like that's where we it's hard to know, especially in this day
• 34:53
  and age where again, most ideas are no longer original, but at
• 34:58
  the same time utilizing a tool that is at your disposal and is
• 35:04
  something that almost all of corporate everywhere is using at
• 35:10
  this point in some some capacity.
• 35:13
  Because and that is that I fucking there's college kids
• 35:18
  that are getting through college by utilizing chat GPTI don't
• 35:21
  think that's right. I don't agree with that.
• 35:24
  As someone who just went back to school and finished their
• 35:27
  master's degree, I would never have used ChatGPT to fucking
• 35:31
  write me a paper. But.
• 35:33
  To those kids, y'all. Suck.
• 35:34
  I'm just saying you guys suck, but I think I, it's, it's tough,
• 35:41
  right? Because where do you draw the
• 35:42
  line? Where do you actually put the
• 35:44
  the line in the sand of don't cross this?
• 35:46
  If you use it for this, it's fine.
• 35:48
  And also what company is going to come out and be honest about
• 35:51
  that? Like you said earlier, nobody's
• 35:53
  going to even want to admit there's utilizing it at this
• 35:56
  point except for the people who are, you know, they're trying to
• 35:59
  get shareholders. And that's the other part of it.
• 36:01
  They're like, yeah, we can do it cheaper now.
• 36:03
  And shareholder is like Oh my God.
• 36:04
  And that's another. Say more.
• 36:06
  Don't stop. That's another very important
• 36:08
  thing is that Larian is owned by Swen.
• 36:12
  It is, it is privately owned, privately owned company.
• 36:14
  So, so here's the crazy thing is that he doesn't answer to a
• 36:19
  board or a group of shareholders that tell him you have to use
• 36:23
  Gen. AI.
• 36:24
  He wants to explore himself. And like, I'm not saying the
• 36:27
  dude's completely right on everything.
• 36:28
  He might be wrong. He might.
• 36:29
  And then like if there's a lot of pushback in his studio,
• 36:31
  that's that. But that's where I have that,
• 36:33
  that sort of trust is that if you've got all your say, he
• 36:38
  hires all these concept artists, there's 47 concept artists and
• 36:41
  they all kind of say, you know what, we don't even want to use
• 36:43
  these tools. I think we got it on our own.
• 36:45
  And he goes, OK, then don't use them, then who gives a shit?
• 36:49
  Then who cares? Like, OK, so it was available to
• 36:51
  him and they didn't use it. And hey, guess what?
• 36:53
  Say there was one artist that did decide to use it and, and,
• 36:56
  and same thing. Like that's The thing is that
• 37:00
  you know, I have also, I also have some bad bouts of writer's
• 37:05
  block from time to time specifically, but when I'm
• 37:08
  creating creative things like AD and D character, I'm very good
• 37:12
  at writing essays To double back to something real quick to all
• 37:15
  those college kids that are using chachi PT to write your
• 37:17
  fucking essays, you need to grow.
• 37:18
  You need to grow the fuck up. OK, you're gonna get into the
• 37:21
  workforce and realize you don't know actually know what you're
• 37:24
  doing, and it's not gonna be. Getting dude, yeah, no, you
• 37:27
  absolutely need to learn how to, you need to learn how to write
• 37:30
  that report at like 5:00 PM when it's due at 8:00 PM the same
• 37:35
  night. Like you have to learn how to do
• 37:37
  things. That's the last.
• 37:37
  Otherwise you'll never learn. And I know that from experience
• 37:40
  because I never did a single one of my essays in college before
• 37:43
  the day it was due. Every single time I did an
• 37:45
  essay, it was the day it was due and I got I got A's every time.
• 37:50
  So it works out. But to go back to that sort of
• 37:54
  situation, like I I don't have a problem with that.
• 37:57
  One of the specific examples I like that somebody had mentioned
• 38:00
  and this spoke to me personally because I'm more of I'm a better
• 38:03
  writer than I will ever be an artist than anything.
• 38:06
  I can't draw, can't paint, can't do anything like that.
• 38:08
  I'm just terrible at it. But I can write pretty well.
• 38:11
  And I like the idea of being able to write something out and
• 38:17
  say, Brody, you're the you're the artist.
• 38:19
  And I need to show I want to write this thing out because I
• 38:22
  had there's this sort of, you know, side quests we're doing
• 38:25
  for Divinity. And it involves a lot of body
• 38:27
  horror. And I know how to write that,
• 38:28
  but I don't know how to envision that.
• 38:30
  So I use this, you know, tool that we both have.
• 38:33
  And I say, like, you know, here's what I put in.
• 38:36
  Could you show me like some vague image of this?
• 38:39
  And then I send it over to you and you go, oh, I get it.
• 38:42
  And I'm like, yeah, can you kind of create something like that?
• 38:44
  But like, don't use this part of it.
• 38:46
  And like, I don't think this really fits the vibe, but like,
• 38:48
  you get what I'm saying. And you go, OK, yeah.
• 38:50
  And then you write something or you Draw Something completely
• 38:52
  different. And I go, that's perfect.
• 38:54
  This is exactly what, because you can inherently now
• 38:56
  understand my writing better because you've seen the image
• 39:00
  sort of vaguely. And that's what I think it's
• 39:03
  useful for. It sort of bridges that gap.
• 39:05
  Whereas before, what would I have to do?
• 39:08
  OK, well, I'll write this out. I'll give it to you, Brody.
• 39:11
  Brody, can you write a bunch of concept art for this?
• 39:13
  Concept art for this one thing we might not even use OK, now
• 39:16
  you spend a week doing all that and we end up not using it.
• 39:18
  Now you've lost a week and or you've lost a couple days and
• 39:22
  that's what turns games that take four to five years into 10
• 39:25
  years. You know, it's the mundane, like
• 39:28
  you said earlier, it's the mundane processes, the things
• 39:31
  that are like just busy work that you could shorten.
• 39:34
  And that's perfectly fine to me is, you know, but that's The
• 39:38
  thing is that if it comes out, if divinity comes out and it's
• 39:41
  like, well, this is clearly just ChatGPT nonsense, then it speaks
• 39:45
  for itself. But I don't think it'll feel
• 39:47
  that way because like you said, I'm sure, I'm sure they used
• 39:50
  some sort of very early version of Gen.
• 39:53
  AI or procedural AI at the very beginning of storyboarding or
• 39:57
  mood boarding. Balders Gate 3 you know, And yet
• 40:00
  I could not tell you where it bleeds through.
• 40:04
  What also surprises me is generative AI is essentially
• 40:09
  procedurally generated content, which so many people's favorite
• 40:14
  rogue lights and all of their entire history of gaming has
• 40:19
  been using and we just turned a blind eye to that.
• 40:22
  That's not the same thing. No, it's the same fucking thing.
• 40:24
  It's a different name. They they captured A keyword
• 40:27
  that looks real fucking good to investors and everyone else.
• 40:30
  It's the same fucking thing to some extent, right?
• 40:32
  Like, not not every AAI process is the same, but the
• 40:37
  procedurally generated content is utilizing very similar
• 40:42
  technology to do the exact same thing.
• 40:44
  And nobody's ever said shit about that in games.
• 40:48
  Like I yeah, there was some comments here and there and
• 40:50
  there was a lot of bad games that came out utilizing that
• 40:53
  tech, but for the most part you play a game like fucking.
• 41:00
  Risk of rain. Risk of rain or Yeah, like any
• 41:04
  of these roguelikes that people love. 80s. 80s yeah, yeah, I
• 41:10
  guarantee they use some form of a generative AI or a
• 41:15
  procedurally generated process where they have so many
• 41:18
  different rules and so many different rooms and things that
• 41:22
  happen in these rooms and they go here, spit this out randomly
• 41:26
  like that It it's a similar process.
• 41:28
  You don't want to fine tune all of that, right?
• 41:31
  Like it's just one of those things that people get so butt
• 41:36
  hurt because they utilize the word AI now.
• 41:39
  And because it has been that that hit word that every company
• 41:43
  is utilizing be like, we're using AI to improve our
• 41:46
  processes and fuck over our customers.
• 41:48
  And they're like, yeah, cool, thanks.
• 41:50
  Awesome, love that. Thank you.
• 41:53
  Can I have another please? Can I, can I point out this is
• 41:56
  all I this is one of the only other things I can say about
• 41:59
  this because I just realized the irony in it.
• 42:02
  As we were talking, I said, if you read, there's a different
• 42:07
  and I'm, I'm crazy. So maybe this is just something
• 42:10
  I did. But like I I've somehow managed
• 42:13
  to find a German article with a German newspaper with Swen which
• 42:17
  was I think they were speaking in.
• 42:20
  Or maybe it wasn't a German newspaper.
• 42:23
  I don't remember where it was from, but it was it was.
• 42:24
  Swedish. It it yeah, it may have been it
• 42:29
  may have been Swedish, I don't remember, but it was it was auto
• 42:32
  translated. So I was just reading it and
• 42:37
  Swen specifically talks about how the cinematic trailer that
• 42:40
  we all saw and we're like, Oh my God, it's equally beautiful and
• 42:44
  terrifyingly horrible at the same time.
• 42:48
  He specifically says how that is directly an inspiration from the
• 42:52
  movie The Wicker Man, and yet there has not been a single
• 42:56
  complaint about that because it was created.
• 43:00
  OK, so let me get if I followed their, if I followed this sort
• 43:02
  of path correctly, it's because that movie was created by a
• 43:05
  person. It wasn't created by a computer,
• 43:09
  but Larian still took the inspiration from a human created
• 43:12
  product and made their own sort of thing, or even almost
• 43:15
  egregiously worse, directly copied it and just said we're
• 43:18
  gonna do the same exact thing according to this sort of
• 43:21
  standard that is set, I guess. And that's where I sort of lose
• 43:27
  the plot, so to speak, because every time I see these arguments
• 43:32
  on Twitter, I can't understand it Because no matter how many
• 43:37
  good points people have that come back and say like, well, if
• 43:40
  you've worked in a job like this or if you've had a sort of
• 43:44
  experience like this at a major company, you know, they can
• 43:47
  range from anything from they're forcing you to use the tool to
• 43:50
  it's just a suggestion to rather it's only used at this one point
• 43:54
  in the process. It's not something you can just
• 43:55
  use all the time. And it could also be something
• 43:57
  where it that that work is also potentially believe they're not
• 44:01
  checked. Hey, I looked at this, you know,
• 44:05
  concept art you created. It's a little too similar to all
• 44:08
  this other shit that is like clearly not from you, You know,
• 44:12
  like that's the other thing is I I don't think that Larian's just
• 44:15
  letting anybody show up and just create, you know, hey, ChatGPT
• 44:19
  me, this cool Ranger looking character for divinity that we
• 44:22
  can show as an origin character. And it just comes up something
• 44:25
  like, I don't think that's happening and I don't think that
• 44:27
  they're using it as a crutch. I think it's like you said, it's
• 44:30
  a tool and that's perfectly fine to me as long as, again, like
• 44:34
  you said, you're not cutting your employees just to use this
• 44:39
  thing in place of it. That's very important.
• 44:41
  Nick, please speak. You have not spoken and I can
• 44:43
  see you fidgeting in. Your chair 44 minutes in.
• 44:46
  I know there's plenty of room in the firing range here, my guy.
• 44:49
  Y'all, y'all were going on. AI should never, can never, and
• 44:53
  will never replace a human's work on anything.
• 44:58
  It is simply not. It's not feasible.
• 45:01
  It's not because once a computer not like what we're gaming on,
• 45:05
  recording on, or what they're creating, this media, this art
• 45:09
  form, video games are art, so you have to treat it as art.
• 45:15
  A computer AI cannot replace human emotion, cannot put to the
• 45:21
  screen what we saw in the Divinity trailer.
• 45:24
  It just simply cannot convey that type of emotion.
• 45:26
  You could try, you know it's bullshit.
• 45:30
  It's not made with human hands. With that being said, what
• 45:36
  Larian is specifically talking about is not getting rid of even
• 45:41
  the concept and storyboarding. This is.
• 45:44
  We need an idea. You know what?
• 45:46
  Ask the fucking computer really quick.
• 45:49
  I want to see lizard man, big axe and it.
• 45:53
  Spits out where I thought you were going.
• 45:55
  No, no. After that trailer I'm like oh
• 45:58
  shit, they. Got a lot of ways, yeah.
• 46:00
  Yeah, but like, it's, but they're just going, oh, OK, I
• 46:04
  see that. All right, throw that away, draw
• 46:06
  that. But you draw how you want it,
• 46:09
  right? They're not taking that and
• 46:11
  replacing a concept artist 'cause once they do that, then I
• 46:15
  have a problem. If you're telling me now you
• 46:16
  don't have a concept artist because AI replaced it, now I
• 46:19
  have a problem with your product.
• 46:21
  I will not support your product at that point.
• 46:23
  The minute AI replaces a human is where the line is drawn.
• 46:28
  Yeah, if it's used as a tool, you need to think of it as if
• 46:32
  you have access to a fucking air ratchet.
• 46:36
  Would you use the air ratchet or are you going to use the regular
• 46:39
  old fucking ratchet, right? What are you going to use here?
• 46:43
  Right. I'm not saying this should
• 46:45
  replace all mundane tasks. We need people to check back end
• 46:48
  code. We need people to do the fucking
• 46:51
  stupid fucking mundane. Tasks.
• 46:53
  Yeah, Microsoft. We bullshit, but if we can
• 46:59
  mitigate some of those things without replacing humans and
• 47:03
  keeping that human touch that is very essential to art itself in
• 47:08
  the product that we as the consumer want to see and love,
• 47:13
  then fine. But if we cannot define the
• 47:16
  lines, and if companies are going to abuse these lines and
• 47:20
  continually step and step and step, Larian is not a company, I
• 47:23
  think we'll do this. Activision is what we saw it is.
• 47:28
  They didn't care. It was immediate.
• 47:30
  You could tell right away. Sorry, Nick, but you like it was
• 47:32
  right away. Those those calling cards, you
• 47:34
  could tell they were AI generated.
• 47:36
  It's like, you know, like there's they weren't even trying
• 47:38
  to fight it. Go ahead, Sorry.
• 47:41
  But though the we won't know those lines until we see how
• 47:47
  many companies start stepping on them and blurring the lines and
• 47:51
  then going, well, what are you mad at us for?
• 47:53
  A human still made it, right. But in the process of this one
• 47:57
  human making it, you deleted 32 other humans that were on that
• 48:00
  one human's team and replaced him.
• 48:02
  Now his team is AI. Yeah, that is my issue.
• 48:06
  We don't know where this is going to end up.
• 48:08
  Do I think it should be used in the way that Larian's using it?
• 48:11
  Yeah, I do. No, this is not ending up in
• 48:14
  your game. Let's get that straight.
• 48:16
  What is happening in the dream board phase is looked at for
• 48:21
  maybe a day or two and then go OK, anyways, so Larry, why don't
• 48:26
  what did you draw up? Oh fuck that thing.
• 48:28
  Larry Larian. Larry Larian.
• 48:31
  Larry Larian. Larry Larian.
• 48:32
  Larry Larian. Oh, the original.
• 48:34
  That is the distinct difference between what Larian has done and
• 48:38
  what Activision has done, what Larian has done and what the
• 48:41
  devs between Arc Raiders is doing.
• 48:44
  Because we don't exactly know how they're using AI.
• 48:47
  We don't know what they're doing in their game.
• 48:49
  I like the game. We don't know.
• 48:51
  Larian's very honest right here, so.
• 48:54
  And that's the biggest, the, the saddest part about this is that
• 48:59
  this you will never know from another studio again because
• 49:04
  there's zero incentive because they're going to, there's
• 49:06
  clearly no incentive to tell the truth because this is what we
• 49:09
  get. This is what or not what we get.
• 49:10
  But this is what Larian gets. Larian gets Swen comes out and
• 49:14
  he's honest. He's even honest.
• 49:16
  Or I don't remember if it was his words or I think it was
• 49:19
  Gamespots words. I don't remember who is original
• 49:22
  interview was with or Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg, sorry, where
• 49:27
  their words are like, you know, there have been there's been I
• 49:30
  think he even admits to there being some some pushback at
• 49:33
  Larian, but largely people that like Swen says largely people
• 49:36
  like have gotten used to it or whatever.
• 49:39
  And and people run with that and they go like, oh, so they're
• 49:41
  being held against their will and being forced to use AI and
• 49:44
  like a human farm. And it's like, no, it's like
• 49:47
  it's just there. There were some complaints
• 49:49
  initially and people have gotten used to it, whether that means
• 49:53
  either if they decided to use it or they decided not to.
• 49:56
  And like, I also think that's the thing.
• 49:58
  I don't feel like Swen is going down to the the you know, the
• 50:02
  floor and saying, hey, you know, the, the the floor of every
• 50:06
  pretty, you know, all the graphic designers and going,
• 50:08
  Hey, I need you guys to put in a quote of at least 50, you know,
• 50:11
  searches on Chachi BT pro a month to make this worth it.
• 50:15
  Like it just it sounds absurd on its face.
• 50:19
  This doesn't. And Swen is a leader by and
• 50:21
  large. He's clearly shown that.
• 50:22
  I mean, you don't walk around a suit in a suit of armor like
• 50:25
  that, But like, I don't think he's a guy that's going to sit
• 50:30
  there and just force everybody to use a tool because he thinks
• 50:34
  he can make a quick buck on it. Because then what is the point
• 50:36
  of the past 30 years of your work if it all came down to just
• 50:42
  shortening it to using a tool? And I think that's what a lot of
• 50:45
  people are missing The point of is like, see the bigger picture.
• 50:47
  It is not about making some change back.
• 50:51
  It is I want I don't he's how old is he?
• 50:55
  He's like in his mid 50s. OK, I'm not sure.
• 51:00
  Yeah. So count it down.
• 51:01
  You know, how many games can he create?
• 51:04
  You know, how many games can he create that he has left?
• 51:06
  You know, how much time does he have left?
• 51:07
  How and, and that sort of thing. And I, he's not old, clearly.
• 51:10
  My dad's probably the same age or around the same age.
• 51:13
  And you have to consider that if a game on average nowadays
• 51:17
  without AI would take you 10 years, or you could make these
• 51:20
  sorts of games in five years, four years, if it could really
• 51:25
  cut down on efficiency and or cut up, you know, make
• 51:27
  efficiency that great, then I don't inherently see the
• 51:32
  problem. Again, as long as you're not
• 51:34
  replacing people. And I when I say people, I mean
• 51:36
  in every sense, voice actors, writers, musicians, engineers,
• 51:42
  programmers, all that sort of stuff, don't replace people.
• 51:44
  But you absolutely allow them to use this, this tool that can be
• 51:48
  used in all sorts of ways as a tool.
• 51:51
  You know that. That's my point.
• 51:53
  And if they're using it solely for references, like if they
• 51:57
  weren't using that, they're just going to be Googling, right?
• 52:00
  Like they're still going to be looking at other people's art to
• 52:03
  get an idea of what they want. They googled some strange thing
• 52:06
  of lizard man fucks some fucking chick and bizarre with Wicker
• 52:11
  Man in the background. Like Rule 34.
• 52:13
  Yeah, like they're still going to be using references, but they
• 52:17
  are references and that is the purpose of them, right?
• 52:22
  And we've also seen so many instances in the gaming
• 52:25
  industry. Bungie was one that came up not
• 52:28
  too terribly long ago where they used a reference and copied the
• 52:32
  same exact fucking it was. Just the same.
• 52:34
  Art stole someone's art, so would you rather have an
• 52:39
  amalgamation of references that then somebody takes and actually
• 52:43
  makes real art with or would you rather accompany just straight
• 52:47
  up steel fucking art? Like neither is entirely ideal
• 52:52
  right? But I in this specific use case,
• 52:58
  use AI. Fuck it.
• 53:00
  You were taking all of the work of tracking down all of these
• 53:03
  different references and resources, putting them into a
• 53:09
  general idea, and then doing your own thing.
• 53:11
  I there is 0 harm in that, zero fucking harm in that it hurts no
• 53:16
  one. It helps people, it helps people
• 53:19
  get creative and make the things they want to make and it also
• 53:23
  helps you get games in your fucking hand quicker.
• 53:26
  There is no reason games are so fucking hard to make.
• 53:29
  They are so complicated. There's so much that goes into
• 53:32
  it. It takes 10 years to develop
• 53:34
  games half the time from the from the initial like
• 53:38
  storyboarding and everything else, right or not even that the
• 53:42
  concept phase into, you know, the, the final product.
• 53:45
  It takes so long to make games. If this is a tool that helps
• 53:49
  them make it a little bit better without stealing people's art or
• 53:52
  completely utilizing AI art, I think it's perfectly acceptable
• 53:57
  and should be used. I but anything beyond that I
• 54:02
  think is where the line gets drawn.
• 54:03
  I think that is where that line in the sand is.
• 54:06
  If you're utilizing it for anything beyond that initial
• 54:08
  phase of creating an idea of what you want to do, that's
• 54:13
  where you're getting into the category of taking people's jobs
• 54:18
  or making just bullshit. Yeah.
• 54:23
  So, yeah, and you know, I mentioned earlier the tattoo
• 54:26
  artist, right? Like if you're having a complete
• 54:29
  brain block and you use AI to get an idea of something and
• 54:33
  then you create your own artwork from there.
• 54:35
  Like I don't think there's any harm in that either.
• 54:37
  But again, it has to be the concept phase.
• 54:40
  Outside of the concept phase is where it's a problem in my mind.
• 54:45
  Yeah, that and that's what I meant by my previous statement,
• 54:47
  right, of like if, if that allows you to cut down really a
• 54:50
  lot on the pre production side of things or like getting all
• 54:53
  those concepts together. And it's like that was a quick
• 54:57
  thing that I'll mention again, just to give a bit more context
• 55:01
  to this whole situation. In that same article, Swan
• 55:04
  talked about how they've been able to increase their
• 55:07
  efficiency just in their engine itself.
• 55:09
  So that way when they record motion capture, it's basically
• 55:12
  in the game, the engine, as soon as they're done recording.
• 55:16
  So it's like this was something that would take us a day before
• 55:19
  to do, and now it's in the game instantly.
• 55:20
  And like it sounded just from reading through the entire
• 55:23
  interviews, the two interviews that I've read, the one with
• 55:26
  Bloomberg and the one with the other publication that in the
• 55:33
  second article at least very much, it sounded like the sort
• 55:36
  of overall goal was to be able to get any sort of piece of work
• 55:40
  that you were working on, our voice lines, motion capture,
• 55:45
  anything like that into the game engine or whatever in under or
• 55:49
  within two hours. Like that was the whole sort of
• 55:52
  like almost the efficiency goal was like within two hours.
• 55:55
  And it's like, OK, so I, I get that.
• 55:57
  And it sounds like that's really like not where they're at at
• 56:00
  this point. Because I don't think at that
• 56:01
  point you need to really use a tool.
• 56:03
  You probably already got enough or like an AI tool at that
• 56:05
  point, you've, you've already got your own idea set in stone
• 56:09
  that it's really just about designing the pieces on it and
• 56:12
  all that sort of stuff and getting it into the engine and
• 56:14
  then going from there again. So it's like, but then again,
• 56:17
  I'm saying all of this from having no idea how any of it
• 56:19
  works. So like, I have no idea.
• 56:22
  And a lot of other people that are complaining don't either,
• 56:25
  just a lot of people in general. None of us know how this works
• 56:29
  for them, their process. I don't think unless you're in
• 56:33
  the industry itself with a team at a studio, you have any idea
• 56:39
  what is actually happening behind the scenes and you're
• 56:42
  just a couple assholes like Brody, Evan and myself on a show
• 56:46
  or amongst each other speak. For your fucking self.
• 56:49
  Just kidding. Talking with your friends, going
• 56:52
  well, AI good, AI bad. Exactly.
• 56:54
  At the end of the day, AI cannot replace a human to create the
• 56:58
  art that you one. 100% correct. And if it gets there, then we
• 57:03
  vote with our wallets. It shouldn't get there though
• 57:06
  and I understand the anger, frustration and outrage because
• 57:10
  my knee jerk reaction each time I see it is the same where I go,
• 57:16
  what the fuck do you mean? And then I have to research and
• 57:18
  once I research I go. I can delineate at that point
• 57:22
  good or bad, right Larry? And I was instantly able to see
• 57:25
  that and I went, this is literally nothing.
• 57:28
  This is no human was even remotely replaced, touched, or
• 57:33
  even seen here. Compare that, by the way, to the
• 57:37
  Coca-Cola ad, by the way, that just came out for Christmas that
• 57:40
  was entirely made by like a group of AI engineers.
• 57:44
  And they're like, we worked hours on this.
• 57:46
  And it's like, what do you mean you worked hours on it?
• 57:48
  You would have been. Better to hire artists and
• 57:50
  actually create a good. Right, exactly commercial,
• 57:53
  right. Come on, what are we doing?
• 57:55
  Let's at the end of it all, yeah, Art has a heartbeat, and
• 57:58
  that heartbeat is the human element.
• 58:01
  When you take the human element away, it's nothing.
• 58:04
  Gaming is an art medium. It's an art form, from the
• 58:07
  concept artists to the voice actors, to the coders, the
• 58:11
  developers, the play testers and the studio itself.
• 58:17
  AI could never replace that, and it will not.
• 58:20
  The problem is, again, it's the line in the sand.
• 58:23
  And where do the studios stand with that?
• 58:26
  And it's not just the studios, it's the executives.
• 58:29
  Because if you put the word AI on things right now, it is a
• 58:31
  buzzword. Put the word slop on things
• 58:34
  right now, it's a buzzword. So they know how to fucking
• 58:36
  market something using something that's going to piss people off
• 58:39
  or get a lot of investors really excited.
• 58:43
  Larian doesn't deserve this hate, right?
• 58:46
  They're getting right now, but there should be shit thrown at
• 58:49
  Activision. There should definitely be shit
• 58:52
  thrown at Ubisoft. Well, and that's all these other
• 58:54
  studios. Where, where was that for them?
• 58:56
  Like like Larian has has been very pro dev, pro consumer, pro
• 59:01
  community. And if you're mad at Larian,
• 59:03
  give shit to the game of the year this year.
• 59:05
  Well, and I, I have something on that actually, yeah.
• 59:10
  What was I was looking into that after you had said it.
• 59:13
  So a apparently they didn't use any AI in the actual creation of
• 59:17
  the game. Some of their posters had AI
• 59:20
  which they used a external contractor and didn't realize
• 59:24
  it. So they essentially use like AUE
• 59:27
  5 texture pack that was supposed to later be replaced and it
• 59:34
  didn't happen so. What a lazy fuck that guy is.
• 59:37
  Yeah, right. Something just got missed,
• 59:40
  right? So it doesn't sound like they
• 59:43
  actually used AI in the actual creation of their game.
• 59:47
  It was mainly like some weird art things where it's like, oh,
• 59:50
  we use this as a placeholder and it made it through in this one
• 59:53
  specific spot, or they had a contractor that gave them like
• 59:57
  an AI poster. OK, so the friends lived to be
• 1:00:01
  hated less a little bit today. That's fine.
• 1:00:03
  Just today. Tomorrow is a different day.
• 1:00:05
  No, I mean, we just, we can still keep that.
• 1:00:07
  Going just there's no AI hatred. To be fair, that is my game of
• 1:00:10
  the year and I stand by that. Fuck you guys.
• 1:00:12
  I mean, I, I, my prediction was that one as well.
• 1:00:14
  My my pick obviously was. KCD that is.
• 1:00:17
  Because apparently that was also.
• 1:00:18
  Let's just. I really want to really want to
• 1:00:20
  touch on that faster. KCD 2 also got a bunch of hate
• 1:00:25
  over this like weekend after the Game Awards because they had a
• 1:00:27
  funny reaction to not winning anything.
• 1:00:30
  And people were like, oh, you're so ungrateful.
• 1:00:33
  And they're like, how like, you know, how dare you, like, you
• 1:00:36
  know, shit on like, you know, another studio winning or
• 1:00:39
  something like that. And it was just like, it was, it
• 1:00:42
  was just funny. Like it wasn't, it wasn't really
• 1:00:45
  meant. I don't think it was meant to be
• 1:00:46
  taken. And just there apparently was an
• 1:00:49
  actual higher up at the War Horse Studios developer that
• 1:00:53
  made KCD 2 that said something like we've been robbed at the
• 1:00:57
  Game Awards or something like that.
• 1:00:59
  Which if he was serious, I don't know what to tell you, man.
• 1:01:02
  Like it's people didn't vote for your game.
• 1:01:05
  Like I've I've picked your game. That's what I can say, but also
• 1:01:09
  it also felt very hilarious in KCD KCD 2 fashion where it was
• 1:01:14
  just like that's that's how like an old timey person talks.
• 1:01:17
  That's not real, I. I assume it was in in jest.
• 1:01:20
  Right. Because I think the full quote
• 1:01:22
  was like, I think it's fair to say we've been robbed.
• 1:01:24
  And that's like, OK, that's you can't be serious.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. It's something like Monty Python
• 1:01:28
  ask, right? Yeah, yeah, like I hope so, but
• 1:01:32
  no, I like and that's the thing. I just, I don't, I don't care if
• 1:01:36
  they use Gen. AI for a mood board or, or like
• 1:01:39
  helping with a mood board. Like that's what I mean.
• 1:01:43
  Again, not replacing someone, but like that's sort of where I
• 1:01:46
  got the gist. And it's like, OK, then who
• 1:01:48
  cares? Like I'm not even going to know.
• 1:01:51
  Like that's the thing. I think a lot of people are a
• 1:01:55
  lot, I think a lot of people are playing games or interested in
• 1:01:57
  games that are being made or created in some part with Gen.
• 1:02:01
  AI that's not replacing a human and they have no idea just
• 1:02:05
  because it's simply not talked about.
• 1:02:08
  That's all. And why would anybody talk about
• 1:02:10
  it now? There's no reason to, there's no
• 1:02:11
  incentive. It's actually just it's, it's
• 1:02:14
  actually, if anything, it's more of an incentive to lie.
• 1:02:16
  It's more of an incentive to go. None of this is made with AI and
• 1:02:19
  you know that it's not going to, nobody's going to be able to
• 1:02:21
  figure that out. You know, so they're just going
• 1:02:24
  to get a bunch of goodwill by saying it's not made with AI,
• 1:02:27
  and then two years, three years after the game comes out, some
• 1:02:29
  developers going to leave and go, yeah, like, bullshit.
• 1:02:32
  Oh yeah. It's and then it's going to be a
• 1:02:34
  whole thing. Rockstar is going to get a bunch
• 1:02:36
  of hate because it's going to be made with AI when GTA. 6 comes
• 1:02:40
  out right. Now anyway, guarantee that.
• 1:02:42
  They're, they're totally, they're going to get, they're
• 1:02:45
  going to get so much hate and then the game is going to make
• 1:02:47
  $70 billion and like. Going to be the highest selling
• 1:02:51
  game of like forever and make so much fucking.
• 1:02:55
  It's going to surpass Minecraft. It's going to end like it's
• 1:02:58
  going to surpass Minecraft in a week.
• 1:02:59
  It's going to be some crazy shit like that, like dispatch where
• 1:03:02
  dispatch is like we've we've surpassed like our five year
• 1:03:05
  sales goals in like 2 weeks or some shit like that.
• 1:03:08
  It's going to be something crazy on a GT like that level of
• 1:03:11
  scale. But even even Minecraft uses
• 1:03:15
  progressive generation right? Like.
• 1:03:18
  Damn. Just being and you load into a
• 1:03:20
  new world. Guess what?
• 1:03:21
  That that world has been generated.
• 1:03:23
  Yeah, it's, it's like, it's not, it's not artificial
• 1:03:26
  intelligence, but yeah, you're right.
• 1:03:27
  Like it's, it's, it's procedural generation of some type, which
• 1:03:30
  is again what goes back to the whole argument, which is if if
• 1:03:33
  what Larian is doing and is bad, then so is Minecraft.
• 1:03:36
  So is risk of rain. So is any.
• 1:03:39
  So is deep rock. Collect all the deep rock
• 1:03:41
  collected. Caves are procedurally
• 1:03:42
  generated. Yeah, you know, how about you
• 1:03:44
  don't use Excel to fill in your formulas across your entire?
• 1:03:48
  Space. Do it on pen and paper.
• 1:03:49
  Have fun, yeah? Do it on pen and paper you lazy
• 1:03:52
  fuck. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:54
  Don't use technology. We're going back old school,
• 1:03:57
  baby. Don't type in Word you know.
• 1:03:59
  Write it down. Use a pen and paper.
• 1:04:02
  I, I think, you know, I, I think we're all in agreeance, right?
• 1:04:05
  Don't take people's jobs. That's that's not the use case
• 1:04:08
  for this. Use it as a tool.
• 1:04:09
  Use it to help do the mundane fucking looking through hours
• 1:04:15
  and hours and hours and days upon days of fucking Google
• 1:04:18
  searches. And from there create your own
• 1:04:21
  fucking game, if that. If that is the route you go, I
• 1:04:24
  don't think any of us are going to have any problem with it if
• 1:04:27
  you utilize a little bit of AI for something odd, right?
• 1:04:31
  OK, but as long as your art, your music and everything else
• 1:04:36
  stays being created by people, I don't think there's any harm 1.
• 1:04:42
  100%. The revolution is now Kill the
• 1:04:45
  machines, kill the robots. The AI must die.
• 1:04:48
  Cortana, you're going down. No, you got it.
• 1:04:51
  No, you got it. You got to die now.
• 1:04:52
  Like this is this is like Roko's.
• 1:04:54
  Do you know what Roko's Basilisk is?
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, we're fucked. No, because of you moron.
• 1:05:01
  I. Didn't kill her.
• 1:05:02
  I, for one, welcome my Terminator death.
• 1:05:04
  Thank you. That's got nothing to do.
• 1:05:07
  Oh, I'm sorry. Down with the robots.
• 1:05:10
  If any of you agree with what he said, this is also it all ends
• 1:05:13
  well or badly for us. We're all we're all cooked.
• 1:05:16
  Thanks, Nick. Dune started off with an AI war.
• 1:05:19
  And now? Nick's the one AI war kicking it
• 1:05:21
  off for us. And you know what?
• 1:05:24
  If anyone was going to piss the machines off.
• 1:05:25
  What ended What ended your civilization?
• 1:05:28
  A guy with a podcast in his basement?
• 1:05:30
  You. Don't even want to know what my
• 1:05:33
  Incognito looks like. Dude, no.
• 1:05:35
  Takes. Certainly not.
• 1:05:37
  That AI is screaming. I don't want to be sent to you.
• 1:05:41
  You don't know what he gets off to.
• 1:05:43
  It's awful. It's awful.
• 1:05:46
  Jesus. It's very good.
• 1:05:49
  Again, I'll leave it at this Art is always going to be a human
• 1:05:53
  made thing. It can be created by machines
• 1:05:56
  and it could be created by 14 year olds in their basement
• 1:05:59
  trying to be artists, but it'll never replace those actually
• 1:06:03
  trying to create something for themselves and for the world.
• 1:06:08
  You have your Vincent Van Gogh's and then you have Tyler from
• 1:06:12
  Ohio making fucking big anime titty on Rogue.
• 1:06:17
  You know something? Like that Tyler get a dog, of
• 1:06:19
  course. Of course, but what I'm saying
• 1:06:24
  is I love my names to be made with the hands of humans and not
• 1:06:30
  have an overreach. But again, with what Larian is
• 1:06:33
  doing here is not an overreach. This is a very very very very
• 1:06:38
  pre step to the game. It is literally not even the
• 1:06:42
  foundational word. This is a grain of sand in the
• 1:06:46
  grand scheme of it. Keep that in mind when you hear
• 1:06:48
  the word AI. Stop buzzing around the fucking
• 1:06:52
  the house like a wasp. Dude, you don't.
• 1:06:55
  We don't understand. But I understand the rage.
• 1:06:58
  I understand the anger here. And we should keep that anger
• 1:07:02
  and get ready to spearhead it towards the people who deserve
• 1:07:06
  it. Because pretty soon here in
• 1:07:07
  2026, it's going to get fucked up.
• 1:07:10
  Yeah, fuck you Activision and Ubisoft.
• 1:07:12
  I know. Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, it's the year where GTA 6 is coming out, Wolverine is
• 1:07:19
  coming out, possibly Half Life 3.
• 1:07:23
  We are going to have Pub G, the AI, the movie video game, right?
• 1:07:28
  That is what I see. I see the Pub G, the AI, the
• 1:07:31
  movie, mobile video game, movie. That's going to be a thing, I
• 1:07:34
  guarantee. And it's going to make a lot of
• 1:07:36
  money at. The end of the day.
• 1:07:37
  So here's the thing. Can like so like if EA starts
• 1:07:41
  using AI and a bunch of their games like FIFA and Madden to
• 1:07:44
  like significantly. They already.
• 1:07:45
  Are I was going to say, have you seen what Madden and FIFA look
• 1:07:48
  like these days? Look at the.
• 1:07:49
  Props. No, I don't.
• 1:07:50
  I have my head in the sand. OK, I'll have to look.
• 1:07:54
  I'll have to download the the newest one or something like
• 1:07:57
  that but like. I'll play their games just.
• 1:07:59
  Google it. I'll Google it.
• 1:08:00
  Just ChatGPT it. Yeah, I'll touch.
• 1:08:04
  It it's AI ception. Like at this point, can I just
• 1:08:09
  like argue to EA now and be like, OK, so if you're making
• 1:08:11
  all this money and like you're cutting all the Staffs and like
• 1:08:13
  can't yet, can't you at least make a Dead Space 2 remake like
• 1:08:17
  you're. Going to have to write a letter
• 1:08:18
  to Saudi Arabia now actually. That's not going to.
• 1:08:22
  They're having their own. They're having their own video
• 1:08:24
  game festival. Oh, really?
• 1:08:28
  Lovely. I don't even know anything about
• 1:08:29
  that. It's like they're on E3.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah, they're doing that. Oh, interesting.
• 1:08:33
  Jeff Keeley has competition. I've got halfway there, I'm
• 1:08:37
  gonna play the fuck out. I had the same thought as he
• 1:08:42
  did. If that happens, it's going to
• 1:08:46
  be a moral compass. Battle with me man, I already.
• 1:08:49
  Know what's going to prevail I'm going to give Saudi Arabia a lot
• 1:08:53
  3 times he's. Going to buy.
• 1:08:54
  He's going to buy that collector's edition like 3 times
• 1:08:57
  dude. I almost made a very bad joke
• 1:09:00
  and I'm so glad I didn't. OK, edit that part up.
• 1:09:04
  No, it's your. It's your job to guess what the
• 1:09:07
  joke was. I'll put a pole down that's.
• 1:09:10
  Huge. That's a terrible.
• 1:09:11
  Idea. Don't like it?
• 1:09:14
  Don't like the? Itch hat GPT.
• 1:09:16
  What was Nick going to say there at the end of that?
• 1:09:19
  Episode I hate AI, games, games and other forms of media and and
• 1:09:24
  any finished product. Anything like that, anything in
• 1:09:28
  the middle, anything past the preconception or like that sort
• 1:09:32
  of phase like that, like the pre production phase, all of it
• 1:09:35
  should be made by humans like 100%.
• 1:09:38
  That's I think that's officially our stance here as well as it
• 1:09:41
  should never replace anybody's job.
• 1:09:43
  It should only enhance the tools of the humans that use them that
• 1:09:47
  work those jobs. It should never in any shape or
• 1:09:50
  form just replace outright someone.
• 1:09:54
  We should make AI just watch every atrocity.
• 1:09:58
  They already do feed. Oh yeah, do you think we could
• 1:10:02
  feed AIA bunch of WASD and Beyond episodes and have it spit
• 1:10:07
  out of a WASD episode? That's like the whole like.
• 1:10:12
  You're trying to take my not job job.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah, right. This is not a new thing
• 1:10:17
  unfortunately because there are other podcast hosts that have
• 1:10:19
  talked about AI music on their podcast or like.
• 1:10:23
  Which, that's awful. There's, there's, there's been a
• 1:10:26
  particular prominent, a political radio host who had AI
• 1:10:32
  conversation with George Washington that he created.
• 1:10:36
  So you know. George Washington was like buff
• 1:10:38
  and shit too. He was, really.
• 1:10:39
  Yeah, he was wearing one of those.
• 1:10:40
  What's those? What's those shirts they have on
• 1:10:43
  Instagram reels that all the they true true classic or
• 1:10:47
  whatever or whatever they're. Called yeah, yeah, the the best
• 1:10:50
  thick shirts or whatever, Yeah. The ones that like, yes,
• 1:10:53
  stretch. The on talk shirts and all that
• 1:10:55
  shit. Yeah, they hide your they hide
• 1:10:57
  your beer gut or whatever. I don't know.
• 1:10:58
  I remember. I think it's true classic or
• 1:10:59
  something. I've.
• 1:11:00
  Worked hard for this beer gut. Thank you.
• 1:11:02
  Yeah, exactly. And.
• 1:11:03
  I'm working hard to get my. Yeah, George Washington was all
• 1:11:05
  buff and stuff, and he's like, here's what I think.
• 1:11:08
  Unfortunate part of that. By the way, I did watch that.
• 1:11:10
  No wooden teeth. Pretty poor performance there.
• 1:11:12
  Yeah, didn't capture come on quite well.
• 1:11:17
  And a seventh finger. Weird.
• 1:11:19
  Anyways, probably 4 balls. That seventh finger has a
• 1:11:23
  purpose. Thank you.
• 1:11:26
  Three in the pink, 2IN the stink.
• 1:11:28
  Nice. That's still only 5.
• 1:11:32
  Yeah. No, I wasn't done.
• 1:11:34
  And then you could then you could 2 on the the beam.
• 1:11:38
  You're just everywhere. You're just everywhere.
• 1:11:40
  It's a lot of fingers. That's a.
• 1:11:42
  That's a whole fucking mess right there.
• 1:11:44
  It's a. Horrifying image.
• 1:11:46
  Nobody's got the coordination for that shit.
• 1:11:48
  Hey mid journey 7 fingers. If we journey, I get an idea.
• 1:11:53
  I guess women could never say they never came then.
• 1:11:56
  Stop. Seven fingers all.
• 1:11:59
  That one that's. Crazy business.
• 1:12:01
  Stop it. Anyways, that was written by AI.
• 1:12:04
  Wrote that joke with AI. Thank you all.
• 1:12:07
  I did not. That's AI.
• 1:12:09
  Unfortunately, that's a Nick original.
• 1:12:12
  If I'm ever originally, yeah. AI couldn't create that if it's
• 1:12:15
  right. AI and Sony are in cahoots to
• 1:12:17
  make their controllers with baby foreskin still.
• 1:12:20
  I'm not, no. We are.
• 1:12:21
  Back to that. We're well to that.
• 1:12:24
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• 1:12:26
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