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127: Dr. Stephen Hussey - Quantum Biology 101: How Light, Water, and Vibration Shape Your Health · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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  Meredith Oke: Doctor Stephen Hussey, welcome back.
• 5:04
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Good to be here. Good to be back.
• 5:05
  Meredith Oke: Part 3. Love having you on. Okay, so let's just
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  start. We, you know, we have a lot of new
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  listeners to the podcast who are new, not just to
• 5:17
  the podcast, but to the idea of, like, what do we
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  even mean by the words quantum biology,
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  biophysics, bioelectricity, chronobiology, like,
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  what are you all, what are you people all talking
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  about and how is it different from all the other
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  stuff? So let's just kick off, like if you could
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  give sort of your, your high level framework, the
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  paradigm that you operate out of when you think
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  about humans and health and biology.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Well, I guess maybe this was intentional,
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  maybe it wasn't. But there has been, I think,
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  historically, maybe the last 200 years, I guess,
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  this push to make humans biochemical, to
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  understand humans or life in general as
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  biochemistry. And I guess kind of the focus has
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  been on that and it's influenced us to ignore all
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  the other stimuli that happen on this planet,
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  this universe. Different ways of, I guess
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  signaling is what you could say, or energy usage
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  or energy distribution or things like that. So,
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  so I think that when we talk about medicine, we
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  talk about biophysics or quantum biology, you
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  know, we're talking about how humans operate and
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  how that physiology works in many different ways.
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  So unfortunately, because of, I think nutrition
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  science and pharmaceutical science, that things
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  have come down to bio biochemistry. You know,
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  every medical student has biochemistry course. We
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  don't have quite quantum biology courses. And so
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  I remember you learn in there, you learn like,
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  okay, these molecules interact with these, and
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  then this step happens and this step happens and
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  this step happens and it's like this linear thing
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  that happens. And so that has led us to thinking
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  that we can control biology or influence biology
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  by taking this thing that affects a certain
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  biochemical pathway. And I'll never forget having
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  this realization that that was what all of
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  medicine was about, because I used to work in a
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  chiropractic clinic that was more or less down
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  the street from Virginia Tech School of Medicine
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  and Research Institute. And I would have all
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  these researchers come in or medical students,
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  and I'd say, what are you looking at? And they
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  describe some, you know, very small biochemical
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  pathway that they're investigating. And I was
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  just like, oh. And it was like that. And they
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  were like, I'm trying to, you know, manipulate
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  this pathway so that we can make a
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  pharmaceutical. And I'm just like, man, what a
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  reductionist way to try and understand something
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  or try and affect the body, you know, and so
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  we've kind of been.
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  Meredith Oke: So is it almost like that pathway was operating
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  in isolation? Like, I'm just going to manipulate
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  this one tiny little thing that's. But there was.
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  Without acknowledging that it may be interrelated
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  with everything else.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Exactly. And I like to think, yeah, and so that's
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  just kind of like reductionist. And it's like how
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  you're supposed to understand how something fully
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  works by studying one very small piece, let alone
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  one organ system or whatever. Like, because, you
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  know, medicine has all these specialists and
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  everything. So it's just. I was starting to think
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  about that because it was repetitive. Every
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  single one. I'd ask, they'd say, I'm studying
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  this particular thing. And I like to talk about
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  what I called. It's almost like an inform, a form
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  of inherited wealth. Like, you don't like, you
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  know, the. Like the scientists that are like the
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  heroes of history or whatever, that discover all
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  these things and these new techniques of studying
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  things. You know, the scientists of today are
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  just learning to stand on their shoulders and
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  take the next step. But there was no humility
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  gained in the process of learning that original
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  information. And so the scientists today just
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  take the next step. And they don't think about
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  the context of what that means for either the
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  entire organism they're studying or the universe
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  itself or all life on the planet. They're just
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  looking at it in these very simple ways because
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  we've got this technology to do that. And
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  research is largely funded by people with
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  interests that want to identify this pathway that
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  you can do something. So we're stuck in this
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  biochemical world. And then when I started
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  reading more and getting steered in the right
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  direction, you start reading all these other ways
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  that the body physiology operates or all the
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  different signals that they can get. And so now
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  we're talking about magnetism, we're talking
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  about electricity, we're talking about light,
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  we're talking about just different forms of
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  energy, vibrations, sound, all these different
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  things. And you start to realize that all of them
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  influence our physiology. And so we can't just
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  say, take a supplement or take a medication or
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  just eat food, really, and expect that
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  biochemistry to dictate how our entire physiology
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  is working. And so you look at deeper levels of
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  things and you start to see that, oh, the
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  mitochondria are emitting light, they're emitting
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  different forms of energy, and they communicate
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  cell to cell, like. And they create
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  electromagnetic field, and then a bunch of
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  mitochondria create a bigger electromagnetic
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  field, and then a bunch of mitochondria in a
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  tissue create a bigger one. And that's why we
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  have electromagnetic fields in the body. And
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  that's my. It's almost like how I'm reaching out
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  into my environment and communicating with it.
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  And then you see all the effects of just sunlight
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  on the skin or in the eyes and all the physiology
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  that that drives. And. And you're like, wow, this
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  is way more than just food. And it explains why
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  you know, people. The idea about health is like,
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  okay, diet and exercise, that's what keeps you
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  healthy. And the statistics show that more people
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  are exercising more and eating more whole foods
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  or better diets. Despite what, you know, this
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  epidemic of heart disease, people. More people
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  are trying to do that, but it's not working
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  right. We still have this epidemic disease
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  because we're ignoring all this physiology. And
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  the other aspect is, is that there's an. There's
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  a certain part of this that I. Or there's a
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  certain level of this I don't think we'll ever
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  fully understand. And I think that makes us. Or
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  it forces us to be humble about this. And instead
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  of trying to master the human body and study it
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  and change it, you know, manipulate it, that kind
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  of thing, with this biochemistry, we kind of have
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  to step back and be like, whoa. We just have to
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  put ourselves in the right environment and let
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  the body figure it out. Because, you know, in
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  mathematics, if you study the way two things
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  interact with each other, you can predict the way
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  those two things are going to interact. But if
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  you get a third thing, it becomes harder. If you
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  get a fourth thing and how four things are
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  interacting, that becomes harder. You get 100
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  things, it becomes impossible. And then that's
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  exactly how the body works. There's no lock and
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  key mechanism that this happens and this happens
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  and this happens and this happens. It's like
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  something happens and then a hundred other things
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  happen at the same time. So they call it
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  nonlinear reactions. And that's going to be
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  impossible to predict or control. So it forces
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  you. When you study quantum biology or
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  biophysics, it forces you to say, okay, I need to
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  put my body in the right environment of those
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  physics and the right stimuli, and then trust
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  that the body is going to do the right thing. We
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  just have to figure out what that environment is
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  and study how the environments have changed and
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  made it the wrong environment over the last
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  however many years. You want to say.
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  Meredith Oke: Right. So when we think about the idea of, oh,
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  just take this pill, There may be situations
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  where taking medication is obviously needed or
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  helpful, but the idea that you can take an
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  exogenous substance and put it into the body
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  without thinking about the environment that that
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  body is in. And the only response you're going to
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  have is the one that you want. Seems kind of
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  crazy.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or that there's not going to be side
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  effects or it's not going to affect other
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  physiology that you weren't even expecting. I
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  mean, in pharmaceutical science, they admit that
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  they're like, well, we were studying, trying to
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  make this effect and we saw the drug had this
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  effect, so we just use it for this instead.
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  Meredith Oke: Right.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: You know, they weren't, they don't know. Like
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  there's, there's all these unaccounted for
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  things. The things we can never, never really
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  figure out.
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  Meredith Oke: Right. And the one that's coming to my mind,
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  because there's a lot of discussion on this topic
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  right now on social media is our SSRIs or
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  prescription medication for mental health. Right.
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  And you have people on there swearing that it
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  changed their lives. And then you have people on
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  there saying that it made them suicidal and it's
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  the same. Right. Like they took the same thing.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.
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  Meredith Oke: So, you know, how can you predict what the
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  outcome is going to be if. And it. Part of. I
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  guess what we're missing is like, what else is
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  going on for those people? It's not, they're not,
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  you know, in terms of what could affect the
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  consequence that that drug is going to have in
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  their body.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or even supplement. You know, I just
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  recently posted something about melatonin on
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  social media showing that it can stabilize plaque
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  and prevent plaque from rupturing. And somebody
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  on there was just like, well, we have to
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  supplement with it. Like, even though I was
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  saying, like, no, we need to, like, optimize
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  mitochondrial function and we need to set
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  circadian rhythm. That's how we get optimal
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  melatonin. And they were like, well, as we age,
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  your melatonin production declines. And I was
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  just questioning them. Like, well, you know,
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  that's probably true, but it's probably going to
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  decline a lot more if we're in this environment
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  that is not suitable or not hospitable to our
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  physiology. So we have to change the environment
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  too. We can't just take this thing and say, oh,
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  because I need more of it because it's declining
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  as I age. It's like, we also need to optimize the
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  environment. And so it's like, if we're, if
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  we're, if the message is, oh, just take more of
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  this, that's the wrong message. Like, you can use
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  supplements to Supplement your lifestyle. But you
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  have to tell the person about how to optimize the
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  lifestyle too, because I mean, there's pretty
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  clear in the research that, you know, melatonin
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  acts like as an antioxidant, but endogenous
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  melatonin production is way better than
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  exogenous, meaning taking it as a supplement. So
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  as far as antioxidant, so that who knows what
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  else that's better as better at when we put
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  produce it inside our bodies and get ourselves in
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  the right environment. Plus the process of
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  creating that environment for just optimizing
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  melatonin is doing so many other beneficial
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  things for you. So it's not reductionist now. Now
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  we're getting all the benefits rather than just
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  saying, oh, I'm doing this for this one thing.
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  No, you're doing it for everything, for every
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  single hormone. And that's kind of the message we
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  need to be giving people. And then here and
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  there, yes, we can selectively say, okay, let's
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  support you with this supplement or that
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  supplement, but if you don't get the environment
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  right, those things aren't going to work as well
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  anyways.
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  Meredith Oke: Right. And then the, like the cascade effect of
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  optimizing your environment is a beneficial
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  cascade as opposed to a cascade of side effects.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or unpredictable things.
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  Meredith Oke: Okay, so let's get into the heart, which is an
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  area of focus for you. You've written a book on
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  it and we talked about it a little bit in our
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  first interview. So let's circle back to what
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  your, you know, your take on the heart is in
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  terms of it. Our common understanding is that
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  it's a pump. You have a different point of view
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  and then you've also gone down even into like
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  some deeper layers of how you see the heart in
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  terms of our overall biology and perhaps biofield.
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, I mean, the term like
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  the heart is not a pump is thrown around a lot
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  these days, made pretty famous by Tom Cowan. And
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  I don't necessarily agree that it's not a pump
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  per se, but it's definitely not a pressure
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  propulsion pump, which is what it's thought that
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  it is. Like it's sucking in blood from somewhere
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  and then forcefully pumping out somewhere else.
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  That's not how the heart works. And there's a ton
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  of literature mainly. I mean, the best source for
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  most of that literature is Dr. Franco first book,
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  the Heart in Circulation. But yeah, so it's first
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  of all, if you just look at the heart and the
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  size of it, and there were studies way back in
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  the 17, 1800s that were when the original
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  circulation of the heart was being described or
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  circulation of blood was being described, that
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  cast a doubt on the idea that the heart of this
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  size could forcefully pump all the blood around
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  the body and, and do that efficiently. And
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  there's modern day studies that show that if we
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  look at the heart as a pressure propulsion pump,
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  it's about 30% efficient, which if you believe we
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  were designed or evolved or whatever, that's not
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  an efficient way to do something. So it must not
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  be its job or suggest that maybe it's not. Its
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  job is to forcefully move blood. And so there's
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  evidence with structured water and how blood
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  moves in other ways. Paramagnetism, electrostatic
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  properties, there's ways that blood moves through
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  the body that they don't require this pressure
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  propulsion pump. And they've actually shown in
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  Dr. Pollock's lab that when they stop the heart
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  of a chick embryo, the blood continues to move.
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  And they can create more movement in blood if
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  they shine infrared light on the arteries. And
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  they showed that too. Back in the 1940s and the
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  1960s, there were experiments done on dogs where
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  they stopped the heart and the blood continued to
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  move for up to two hours after the heart stopped
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  beating. So there's definitely a lot of evidence
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  to suggest that blood has other ways to move. And
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  so that begs the question of what is the heart,
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  why is it there, what is it doing? And the first
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  thing that it's doing is that it's actually a
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  vortex. I just read an 800 page book about the
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  heart's vortex and it was hard to get through
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  because it was very, very scientific, even lots
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  of parts above my head. But yeah, it's definitely
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  well recognized in the literature that as blood
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  moves through the heart, it is vortexed in many
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  different ways. Whether it's moving through
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  valves, the way that flows into the heart, the
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  way the heart contracts in a spiral, like nature,
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  like the heart is vortexing blood. And the reason
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  it's doing that is because of new vortex water,
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  which the blood is half water in the presence of
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  oxygen, which oxygen is always present in blood,
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  then it will become energized, it will become
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  more likely to become structured water when it
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  gets into the lining of the arteries. And when it
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  becomes structured water on the lining of the
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  arteries, that's what propels blood flow, that's
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  what keeps blood moving. So in a way, the heart
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  is responsible for blood flow in that way, but
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  just in a very indirect way. So that's one
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  purpose of the heart, is that it's kind of
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  swishing the blood around, which is the way water
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  is in nature. It's always moving and being
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  swished around. It's crashing on the beach, it's
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  rolling over rocks and rivers. It's evaporated,
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  precipitating, it's moving. And when water gets
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  stagnant in nature, like in a puddle or a pond,
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  it's kind of gross. Right. And so to keep things
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  clean and moving, we have to. We have to keep it
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  moving. But in laminar tubes, that doesn't do the
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  swishing around. Right. It kind of keeps things
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  moving linearly, and that can create less
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  energized water. So why is there this thing
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  placed right in the middle of the arterial and
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  venous circulation that swishes blood around?
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  Because we need it to be swished around. And
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  that's one role of the heart. Right. So, I mean,
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  again, like, if there was a pressure propulsion
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  pump, we wouldn't. Like, if you want to pump
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  water up a hill, you put the pump at the bottom
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  of the hill. So if we want to pump water from our
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  blood, from our feet to our head or whatever, we
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  put the pump at the bottom. But the. Our heart's
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  in the middle of everything, so it doesn't make
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  sense for it to be there if it was a true
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  pressure propulsion pump. So, yeah, there's other
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  mechanisms of blood movement, and the heart is
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  vortexing. And there's interesting studies that
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  show that when you increase the blood flow,
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  artificially increased blood flow, that the heart
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  actually just. The valves just kind of open and
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  let it kind of go through. And so we're not
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  talking about cardiac output, like the cart, the
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  heart is pumping out this fluid. It's more like
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  cardiac throughput, like the amount that's moving
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  through and they've increased the heart rate or
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  the artificially increased heart rate of the
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  heart and how much it's contracting. And the
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  blood flow stayed the same, like the amount of
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  blood moving through stayed the same because it's
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  just how fast it's contracting, it's not how fast
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  it's pumping. If you want to increase blood flow,
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  then you increase the cardiac throughput and how
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  much is moving through it. So interesting. So
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  that's the first role.
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  Meredith Oke: So is that why exercise is so good? We're
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  increasing that blood flow or infrared saunas or
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  what's happening to our blood when we move and.
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  And move and expose ourselves to healthy light?
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why
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  those things are good, but one is, yes, you're
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  like, you're increasing tissue demand for blood.
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  And the tissue demand is what drives blood flow.
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  You know, if there's areas like if your tissues
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  start using up certain nutrients or oxygen or
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  whatever, then the concentration gradient of
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  those things and the tissues drops and the blood
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  is drawn to it because, you know, areas of high
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  concentration flow to areas of low concentration.
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  So if you deplete the tissues, the blood will
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  want to go into the tissues more. So that's
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  what's driving blood flow. And the heart is just
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  catching up. It's just keeping pace with how much
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  blood is moving. So yes, if you increase blood
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  flow by sitting in an infrared sauna because
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  you're building structures, water and lining the
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  arteries, increasing blood flow. Yes, your heart
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  rate will increase. If I go sit in the sun, my
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  heart rate will increase, not drastically because
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  I'm not creating a huge tissue demand because I'm
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  not exercising, but it'll increase because I'm
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  increasing blood flow. And the heart's just
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  trying to catch up. It's trying to energize or
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  structure that blood as it moves through there as
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  more blood is moving through the heart.
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  Meredith Oke: So what's happening if someone is out of shape or
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  not? Well, and they get out of breath very
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  easily, or their heart pumps really fast, really
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  quickly, even with minimum exertion. What's going
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  on with that?
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  Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's more like they're having trouble adapting
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  to stress, which exercise is a stress. So then
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  they start to try and exercise and their body
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  goes into an acute stress response, which is an
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  adrenaline response. And so when you're doing
• 24:01
  that, you're telling your body we're in danger.
• 24:04
  And so that's kind of this old evolved response.
• 24:06
  And so that's having more of like a hormone
• 24:10
  effect, signaling effect. Like your body's going
• 24:12
  through this thing that it is not used to doing.
• 24:14
  And it's like, something must be wrong. We must
• 24:16
  have a stress response. So if they can't handle
• 24:19
  that stress and return to normal, return to
• 24:21
  homeostasis. That's poor health. Right. So
• 24:24
  health. To me, one way to define health is the
• 24:27
  ability to handle a stress healthily, adapt to it
• 24:30
  and return to homeostasis. If you can't do that,
• 24:33
  there's, there's poor health. So you could talk
• 24:35
  about that as simple as a high glucose meal. You
• 24:39
  know, can you handle that glucose meal, adapt to
• 24:42
  it, use that glucose properly through insulin
• 24:45
  signaling and then, and then return to
• 24:48
  homeostasis. Normally if you can't, that's type 2
• 24:51
  diabetes. You know, if you can go, you know,
• 24:56
  sprint 50 yards. And you can handle that and your
• 24:59
  body figures it out and then you can return to
• 25:01
  homeostasis within a normal amount of time.
• 25:03
  That's more healthy than someone who can't do
• 25:05
  that. So that's more of like a stress response.
• 25:11
  Meredith Oke: That's really interesting because we think about
• 25:13
  it as, as being unfit, but the lack. What we're.
• 25:19
  But what you're saying is unfit is our body's
• 25:22
  inability to handle these different states.
• 25:25
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, I'd say it's almost like a shock to the
• 25:28
  body to do that when you've never trained it to
• 25:30
  do it, you know, or haven't trained to do it for
• 25:32
  a long time. And so the body's having a response
• 25:36
  that's having a stress response. It thinks it's
• 25:37
  under threat almost.
• 25:40
  Meredith Oke: Right. So just one more thing on this, because I
• 25:44
  heard, I think it was, it was Dave Asprey
• 25:47
  actually, and he was saying that what he, what
• 25:52
  he's come to in his understanding is that this,
• 25:55
  the high intensity things that we do where we
• 25:57
  like go really hard and then rest and then go
• 25:59
  really hard and then rest is actually maladaptive
• 26:04
  because in evolutionary we would go really hard
• 26:08
  and then we'd be out of danger and we'd, we
• 26:11
  wouldn't keep doing it over and over. So his
• 26:14
  recommendation was more just like, sprint really
• 26:17
  fast one time instead of over and over and then
• 26:22
  let your body recover. What are your thoughts?
• 26:24
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: I mean, I, I don't know what our ancestors did
• 26:27
  exactly. You could theorize, you know, but they
• 26:30
  may have had to sprint a few different times if
• 26:31
  they were on a hunt, you know, a few different 50
• 26:33
  yard sprints or something like that. But yeah, it
• 26:36
  wasn't excessive. I mean, once they caught the
• 26:37
  meal or didn't catch the meal, they're like, all
• 26:39
  right, I gotta recover. Especially if they didn't
• 26:41
  catch the meal, they really gotta recover because
• 26:44
  they're not getting any, any nutrients to replace
• 26:46
  or whatever. But I would tend to agree with them
• 26:51
  that you could probably get the same benefits
• 26:52
  with one sprint. You know, there's really good
• 26:55
  evidence that we're spending way too much time
• 26:58
  working out. You know, I, for the last two years
• 27:02
  now, I've been like, when I do lift weights, I
• 27:05
  just do one set to failure. I do a push exercise,
• 27:09
  a pull exercise and a leg exercise to failure.
• 27:11
  And I have maintained and gained muscle from
• 27:15
  doing that. So I'm like in there for 15 minutes.
• 27:17
  I almost feel guilty, you know.
• 27:19
  Meredith Oke: Wow. So when you say to failure, it's like you
• 27:23
  just do it till you can't do it anymore. And then
• 27:25
  you stop.
• 27:26
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you really have to push. Like, it's. At
• 27:28
  first, it's hard to learn to go to failure.
• 27:31
  You're kind of like, oh, I'm tired. It's like,
• 27:32
  no, not tired. Like, you need to go to where.
• 27:34
  Meredith Oke: You, like, you literally can't move the thing
• 27:36
  even, Right.
• 27:38
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: You have to. You know, if you're lifting weights,
• 27:40
  you gotta be careful with that. You gotta make
• 27:41
  sure that it's like a machine or something, or
• 27:44
  you're really safely set up on a squat or
• 27:46
  something like that. Cause it's kind of intense
• 27:48
  to go to failure with those types of lifts. But,
• 27:53
  yeah, it's more efficient. I want to buy a weight
• 27:57
  set for my garage and do it so I can open the
• 27:58
  garage and work an outdoor light. But it's like,
• 28:00
  I can't justify buying that expensive of a thing
• 28:02
  if I'm in there for 15 minutes twice a week. So,
• 28:07
  yeah, I just go to the gym. But yeah, and then
• 28:11
  other forms of exercise are good too, but you can
• 28:14
  get the same benefits. So doing that kind of
• 28:17
  stuff so it makes sense, like, you challenge the
• 28:19
  tissue, you tell it wasn't good enough, and it
• 28:20
  rebuilds stronger.
• 28:22
  Meredith Oke: Right? I've heard that story. I mean, I hear that
• 28:25
  story from everyone who has adopted a sort of
• 28:30
  quantum circadian lifestyle that they just don't
• 28:35
  exercise as much and they're in better shape.
• 28:39
  Like, they still exercise. I'm not saying they
• 28:41
  don't, but this idea that maxing out on the
• 28:45
  hardcore exercise is the only way just doesn't
• 28:49
  seem to be the case.
• 28:51
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: And it's kind of a misnomer of like, doing
• 28:54
  cardio, you know, because, I mean, cardio, like
• 28:57
  getting your heart rate up and, and. But even
• 28:59
  just walking or whatever is. Is good for you, but
• 29:02
  more cardio is not good for you. Like, if you do
• 29:05
  like super long endurance type stuff, that is.
• 29:07
  That is not healthy, in my opinion. It causes
• 29:10
  more inflammation because again, we're. We're
• 29:13
  putting ourselves in that stress state for too
• 29:15
  long. And there's people that argue that we're
• 29:20
  born to run. There's a book about it even. But if
• 29:23
  you look at lots of studies, especially
• 29:24
  cardiovascularly, people who've run more long
• 29:27
  endurance races have more scar tissue in the
• 29:30
  heart, they have more atherosclerosis because
• 29:33
  they're just in this higher inflamed state. And
• 29:35
  people argue, well, were these people on
• 29:37
  carbohydrate diets? And maybe they were, maybe
• 29:40
  they weren't. But regardless, the response to
• 29:42
  exercise is a hormetic stress. It's an
• 29:44
  inflammatory thing. And so you want to do. It's
• 29:46
  like there's a Goldilocks amount. You want to do
• 29:47
  enough of it to tell your body to get better and
• 29:49
  adapt to a stress better, but not overdo it. And
• 29:52
  I think that we've kind of overdone it or we've
• 29:56
  been programmed to overdo it if we don't get to
• 29:58
  the gym, you know. But Dave Asprey's one to say
• 30:00
  that, like back when he was unhealthy, he was
• 30:03
  like, man, I was in the gym all the time and I
• 30:05
  was just still super unhealthy. It wasn't
• 30:07
  working. He was probably making it worse at that
• 30:11
  point by inflaming the body without being able to
• 30:14
  adapt to it, because there's other things he had
• 30:16
  wrong about his environment that were wrong. So,
• 30:19
  yeah, it's interesting, but you can get very
• 30:23
  efficient exercise done in a very quick amount of
• 30:26
  time that's just as effective. And the book Body
• 30:29
  by Science by Doug McGuff, he's been doing that
• 30:33
  for 30 years in his clinic, helping people
• 30:36
  maintain muscle mass in that way. And he's got
• 30:38
  all the stats and data to show it.
• 30:40
  Meredith Oke: Oh, cool. We'll have to link to that book. We've
• 30:46
  talked about the heart in terms of the new
• 30:50
  paradigm function of the heart, which is as a
• 30:52
  vortex. We have the blood circulating through
• 30:56
  various mechanisms, not necessarily being pumped.
• 31:02
  The heart is a vortex that swishes it around,
• 31:05
  keep it fresh. Like the same way we want our
• 31:08
  spring water bubbling over the rocks and not
• 31:11
  sitting in a stagnant pond. Tell me about where
• 31:16
  you're at with the, say more esoteric meanings
• 31:22
  and importance of the heart.
• 31:24
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, if you look at like every single
• 31:28
  ancient cultures, like writings about the heart,
• 31:31
  whether it's ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Indian,
• 31:35
  Chinese, even Egyptian, they, they all describe
• 31:40
  the heart as. I forget which one it is. I think
• 31:43
  it's Chinese that tastes the orchestrator of the
• 31:44
  body. And they, they describe it as like almost
• 31:50
  the seat of the soul. You know, this is the
• 31:53
  understanding. And it wasn't like all these
• 31:56
  ancient civilizations were all talking to each
• 31:58
  other, had the same thinking or philosophies. But
• 32:00
  they all came to that conclusion and so they were
• 32:06
  right. You know, I think that every organ has an
• 32:10
  electromagnetic field. It gives off. But the
• 32:13
  hearts is the largest, which we'll get to. But
• 32:16
  they felt that, I think they didn't necessarily
• 32:18
  have to have any concrete proof or measure
• 32:20
  anything. They just. That's what they felt. And,
• 32:23
  you know, there's a reason that we, I think,
• 32:25
  associate the heart with our emotional state. And
• 32:27
  we say, I love you with all my heart. And we say,
• 32:29
  I gave it all my heart. You know, you can put
• 32:31
  your mind to something, but when it comes to
• 32:33
  emotion, you're usually talking about your heart,
• 32:35
  not your kidneys or whatever. And so I don't
• 32:39
  think that's by mistake. However, in this really
• 32:43
  interesting story, it was King Charles, I think
• 32:47
  it was. So there was this Irish nobleman who had
• 32:50
  fallen and injured himself, and he. And it, like,
• 32:54
  broke ribs and they kind of broke apart and it
• 32:56
  abscessed. And it healed, though, but it healed
• 32:58
  in a way that his heart was visible, you know,
• 33:01
  and there was no, like, you know, open wound or
• 33:04
  anything. Like, it healed, but it healed. Like
• 33:06
  you could see his heart. And so he became like
• 33:08
  this guy that traveled around and, like, charged
• 33:10
  money for people to see his heart beating and
• 33:12
  stuff like this. Anyways, he was near London and.
• 33:15
  Or near wherever the king was in England. And the
• 33:16
  king heard about it and he told William Harvey,
• 33:19
  who. William Harvey is a very famous physician
• 33:20
  because he was the original person that described
• 33:22
  the circulation of the blood. That's what he's
• 33:24
  known for. He wrote Dumotu Cordis, which is the
• 33:26
  book that describes that. And he was the king's
• 33:29
  personal physician at the time. And he said. He
• 33:32
  said, find that guy and bring him here. We want
• 33:34
  to see this. And so they brought him in and they.
• 33:36
  And they go and they examine the heart. And
• 33:38
  William Harvey notes that, you know, he was able
• 33:41
  to feel the. The man's heart and feel it beating
• 33:44
  and right there. And he said, with no offense to
• 33:47
  this man, so. Meaning that. That the guy couldn't
• 33:51
  feel it. Like you're touching the organ and he
• 33:53
  couldn't feel it. You could feel, like the
• 33:55
  outside you're touching him, but he couldn't feel
• 33:57
  when you touched him inside. So he said it kind
• 33:59
  of led to this idea that the heart has no senses.
• 34:03
  There's no, like, no feeling, you know, combined
• 34:06
  with the fact that Harvey also described the
• 34:09
  mechanical circulation of the blood in the body
• 34:11
  and saw the heart as kind of this pump that was
• 34:14
  driving that circulation. That's when I forget
• 34:17
  when this was. I think it was like 1600s or
• 34:19
  something. I don't know. That's within. The idea
• 34:22
  started to move away from the heart being this
• 34:24
  seed of the soul and, you know, I guess sensor of
• 34:28
  our emotions and things like that, more toward
• 34:30
  this mechanical organ. And that's kind of taken
• 34:33
  Off. And then now we're coming back full circle
• 34:36
  with the work of Roland McCready and the
• 34:37
  HeartMath Institute. And we're finding out that
• 34:39
  the heart does have this very large
• 34:42
  electromagnetic field that allows it to touch or
• 34:45
  sense not only our external environment, but also
• 34:48
  kind of orchestrate or sync up the entire
• 34:51
  internal environment, all the other organs. So
• 34:53
  all the other organs, electromagnetic fields are
• 34:55
  being sort of aligned with how the heart's
• 35:00
  electromagnetic field and what it's feeling. And
• 35:02
  then the most fascinating thing is that we've
• 35:05
  also got studies now that we've, we've I guess
• 35:08
  developed the ability to do heart transplants is
• 35:12
  that there are studies that show that, that
• 35:15
  recipients of a heart transplant tend to take on
• 35:19
  characteristics or personality traits of the
• 35:21
  donor. So there's something about the emotion or
• 35:26
  personality or something that is stored in the
• 35:28
  heart and maybe, maybe all organs as well. But
• 35:33
  since the heart has the biggest electromagnetic
• 35:34
  field, like what they do is they. They interview
• 35:36
  the people in the donor's life and they interview
• 35:39
  people in the recipient's life and the recipient
• 35:41
  themselves. And they find that anything from like
• 35:44
  preferences in music, art, sexual preferences,
• 35:47
  career preferences tend to show up in the
• 35:50
  recipient from what the donors were that were
• 35:52
  different than before. So it's fascinating.
• 35:55
  There's way more to like memory and to our
• 35:59
  tissues and probably stored in structured water
• 36:01
  in the body. But when you transfer it to somebody
• 36:05
  else, it can change them a little bit. So I think
• 36:08
  that the ancients were onto something in that
• 36:11
  this was the seed of the soul. This kind of made
• 36:13
  us who we are, where lots of our personality was
• 36:15
  stored or emotional personality was stored maybe.
• 36:20
  And so it's very interesting. That's the, that's
• 36:23
  the third role of the heart. I mean, we've all
• 36:26
  been heartbroken, you know, and there's actually
• 36:29
  a disease that can happen when you become
• 36:31
  heartbroken. It's called Takatsubo
• 36:32
  cardiomyopathy, which is basically broken heart
• 36:35
  syndrome. You develop heart failure because
• 36:38
  you're broken hearted due to extreme emotional
• 36:40
  states. And there's mechanisms of heart attacks
• 36:44
  that can happen due to imbalanced stress
• 36:46
  signaling to the heart. Emotional stress
• 36:48
  signaling can trigger a heart attack if you get
• 36:51
  into the right situation. And I've talked about
• 36:54
  that in other places and I talk about that in my
• 36:56
  book too. So there's this extreme emotional
• 36:58
  connection to this organ. And so I think that it
• 37:02
  is what allows us to a create what they call
• 37:05
  coherence or unfortunately convey incoherence.
• 37:10
  And so we talk about, from a quantum aspect of
• 37:12
  Things and quantum biology and how the body
• 37:15
  works. We're talking about interbody
• 37:16
  communication and how our body communicates
• 37:19
  externally to the environment. And it doesn't do
• 37:21
  that through biochemistry. It does that through
• 37:24
  biophysics. It does that through the fascia
• 37:28
  system in our body is conducting information and
• 37:31
  electrons and protons all throughout our body.
• 37:35
  And the mitochondria are communicating
• 37:38
  electromagnetically as well as through light
• 37:40
  signaling and reactive oxygen species signaling
• 37:43
  and quantum entanglement. When two molecules get
• 37:46
  entangled and they separate and they're still
• 37:47
  communicating from a distance, all those things.
• 37:51
  And then the heart's electromagnetic field is
• 37:53
  kind of like sensing all that or monitoring all
• 37:56
  that and picking up your level of interbody
• 38:00
  coherence, interbody communication that's
• 38:02
  happening and it's sensing that, and it's
• 38:04
  conveying that information to the brain. And we
• 38:07
  have evidence that it conveys that
• 38:08
  electromagnetically as well as neurologically
• 38:11
  through nerves. And there's more signals from the
• 38:14
  heart to the brain. And then the brain is picking
• 38:17
  up the messages. The brain is always just an
• 38:19
  interpretation center, sensing our. Or like
• 38:22
  picking up all the information that we're sensing
• 38:23
  from our environment, interpreting it, and then
• 38:25
  relaying it to the body so that it can have the
• 38:28
  appropriate response. But the sensory information
• 38:31
  or the emotional sensory information is coming
• 38:33
  from the heart to the brain. And so then the
• 38:37
  brain responds accordingly. And so it's. It's a
• 38:40
  very important role because if you think about
• 38:44
  senses and what the senses allow us to do, they
• 38:47
  allow us to interact and respond to our
• 38:49
  environment. And a species or an individual that
• 38:52
  cannot interact or respond to his environment
• 38:54
  doesn't last very long. And so because it can't
• 38:57
  change, it can't react to it, get out of harm's
• 39:00
  way or whatever. And so that's a very, very
• 39:03
  important role for the heart and it's especially
• 39:05
  important for humans because we have this unique
• 39:10
  ability to worry and think about things in a way
• 39:14
  that other species can't because of how large our
• 39:16
  prefrontal cortex is. I'm not saying that other
• 39:17
  species don't, but we have a cognitive ability
• 39:20
  that's much higher. We're, as far as I know, the
• 39:23
  only species that can think our way into a stress
• 39:25
  response just by overthinking something or seeing
• 39:28
  something happen to somebody else and then
• 39:31
  feeling like, fearing it's going to happen to us,
• 39:33
  you know, or seeing something happen halfway
• 39:35
  across the world that doesn't affect our life at
• 39:37
  all, but stress being stressed about it, you
• 39:39
  know, and that's one of the issues with, with
• 39:41
  Media and being able to, you know, information
• 39:43
  being pumped all over the world, is that our
• 39:44
  physiology is not necessarily designed to handle
• 39:46
  all that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating
• 39:50
  when you, when you dig into that and you also
• 39:52
  realize that this organ is what allows us to
• 39:55
  connect to others. And heart coherence, like
• 39:59
  someone who's incoherent is able to. Is able to
• 40:02
  relate and connect to others in a more healthy
• 40:04
  way. And someone who's incoherent feels like
• 40:08
  they're on their own, they're isolated. You know,
• 40:10
  if you can't reach out and touch and feel the
• 40:12
  things around you and the people and the living
• 40:15
  things around you, you feel isolated. It's like
• 40:16
  alone in a crowded room sort of thing. And it's
• 40:19
  what we describe with people who have depression.
• 40:22
  They kind of become isolated, they feel isolated.
• 40:24
  Even if they have people around them, they can't
• 40:26
  reach out and feel them. And it's because they
• 40:28
  have this incoherence. And that could be from a
• 40:31
  lot of different things, from past traumas that
• 40:33
  people have, or physical or emotional traumas or
• 40:38
  just poor mitochondrial health. I mean, we think
• 40:41
  about what Chris Palmer's doing with low carb
• 40:45
  diets and fixing people's mental health by
• 40:47
  changing their mitochondrial health. And there's
• 40:49
  probably way more they could do as well as diet.
• 40:52
  But we're seeing the impact that they're having
• 40:54
  because we're changing their mitochondria,
• 40:56
  increasing their body communication. Their
• 40:58
  heart's picking up on that. It's conveying to the
• 40:59
  brain. We're getting more coherent signals, and
• 41:02
  the person is now interacting with the
• 41:03
  environment more. And then maybe I've said a lot
• 41:08
  of things, but the most fascinating thing I
• 41:11
  think, is that it appears that this very large
• 41:15
  electromagnetic field that is being created by
• 41:18
  the heart is a result of the fact that a, there's
• 41:23
  a lot of mitochondria concentrated in the heart.
• 41:26
  It's one of the tissues with the highest density.
• 41:28
  The brain, the eyes, the heart have very high
• 41:30
  amounts of mitochondria. And like I briefly
• 41:33
  mentioned before, the mitochondria are creating
• 41:35
  electromagnetic field. And you concentrate a lot
• 41:37
  of mitochondria in an area that get a bigger
• 41:39
  electromagnetic field. But the brains are similar
• 41:42
  mitochondrial content to the heart. So why is the
• 41:44
  heart so much bigger? It's because the heart is
• 41:47
  spinning like this. And when you vortex or spiral
• 41:51
  electromagnetic field, it amplifies the field
• 41:55
  significantly. And so it's the only organ in the
• 41:58
  body, aside from the lungs, that is moving. And
• 42:02
  it's moving in a way that spins. So it's creating
• 42:04
  a toroidal force. This is just amplifying this
• 42:07
  field and that's why. And so if you get someone
• 42:10
  with heart failure and the heart is not
• 42:14
  contracting like this and the spinning nature, it
• 42:16
  starts to become like a basketball and it's doing
• 42:18
  this, their field significantly drops and that's
• 42:23
  a problem. Right. Also the poor mitochondrial
• 42:25
  function in people with heart failure too, that's
• 42:28
  one of the causes. So we're starting to
• 42:30
  understand the symptoms these people are having.
• 42:34
  They're getting lack of blood flow. There's more
• 42:36
  likely to be depressed when you get heart
• 42:38
  failure. And there's debate about whether that's
• 42:40
  because they have heart failure that's not
• 42:41
  improving or because I would say that the
• 42:44
  coherence is interfered with because
• 42:46
  electromagnetic field is smaller. But the
• 42:52
  electromagnetic field and the torsion seem to be
• 42:57
  coupled together. So we don't know which one's
• 42:59
  creating which because there's evidence that a
• 43:01
  torsional field will create an electromagnetic
• 43:03
  field, an electromagnetic field will create
• 43:05
  torsion. So I don't know which one it is. They're
• 43:08
  very coupled together. If you mess with one, the
• 43:10
  other's probably going to be off. But it's a very
• 43:13
  kind of delicate system that's put together and
• 43:15
  lots of things about our modern day environment
• 43:17
  are affecting that. Like my go tos for people
• 43:20
  with arrhythmias and heart failure are EMF
• 43:24
  environment. Past trauma could be as simple as
• 43:27
  just low electrolytes and then oh gosh, what's
• 43:32
  the fourth one? Circadian rhythm. So like all
• 43:34
  those different things, those four things, like
• 43:36
  you have to set those things and create coherence
• 43:37
  for the heart to get back online, whether it's
• 43:40
  arrhythmia or heart failure.
• 43:45
  Meredith Oke: So much to think about and so interesting too
• 43:50
  about the magnetic field of the heart because we
• 43:54
  hear about that a lot, but it's because of the
• 43:58
  motion. And for example, I know in my work as a
• 44:05
  coach, if I'm supporting someone to start a new
• 44:09
  business or create a new offer, if their heart's
• 44:13
  not in it, if it's like a purely mental
• 44:16
  construct, I know it's not going to work. And
• 44:20
  I've. And it's interesting because you're now
• 44:22
  giving me the scientific reason why. Right.
• 44:26
  Because the, what we put out in the world is
• 44:30
  coming emanating from us. And if our heart's not
• 44:33
  in it, it's not. There's no field like the, the
• 44:38
  possibility to entangle is reduced, would you say?
• 44:41
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, the ability to Reach out into your
• 44:45
  environment and sense things is reduced. And if
• 44:48
  you can't sense your environment, how can you
• 44:50
  make educated decisions? But I just thought of
• 44:53
  this when you were talking. Think about it. If we
• 44:56
  see something stressful or we see something that
• 44:57
  may be a threat, our heart rate increases. And
• 45:03
  the traditional, I guess, thinking about that is
• 45:05
  that you're trying to deliver nutrients to
• 45:07
  tissues in case you need to run away. You know,
• 45:09
  you need to supply those tissues with nutrients,
• 45:11
  oxygen, whatever. And that, that's interesting.
• 45:15
  That could be. But it could also serve us in that
• 45:19
  if we increase the heart rate, we're increasing
• 45:22
  the, you know, contraction of the heart in this
• 45:24
  spiral nature, which may be amplifying the field
• 45:26
  more, which means we're becoming hyper aware of
• 45:28
  our environment, we're reaching out further and
• 45:31
  we're like, hey, let's sense the environment,
• 45:33
  let's keep ourselves safe. So there's more than
• 45:38
  just this biochemical reason why we would have a
• 45:41
  stress response. Right. It's putting us on high
• 45:43
  alert in many different ways.
• 45:46
  Meredith Oke: Absolutely. And then similar to that, but a
• 45:50
  different situation would be if, like, I just
• 45:55
  started a new type of meditation and I noticed
• 45:58
  that I have a much higher alertness after, like
• 46:01
  that. The way you just described it, when we
• 46:03
  sense danger, all of a sudden it's heightened.
• 46:06
  But we can also get there other ways which would
• 46:12
  make sense if the meditation is creating
• 46:14
  coherence.
• 46:16
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you're coming back into your heart space.
• 46:17
  People would say, right, and if you're coming
• 46:20
  back into your heart space, you become more aware
• 46:22
  of things that you were distracted from by your
• 46:25
  mind. Because there was this even like in ancient
• 46:31
  Roman or ancient Greek philosophers, there was
• 46:33
  kind of this divide. Like some of them thought
• 46:35
  that, you know, the heart was the seed of the
• 46:37
  soul. And then they were starting to say, maybe
• 46:39
  it's the mind. Because they were, I think they
• 46:43
  were probably becoming a bit arrogant about
• 46:45
  knowledge they were gaining because it was a time
• 46:46
  when lots of knowledge was gained potentially. I
• 46:49
  don't know, but they were coming toward the mind.
• 46:52
  And so coming back into your heart space, you,
• 46:56
  you learn to interact with the environment. You
• 46:57
  notice more things about your environment than
• 46:59
  you would if you were just in your mind. You were
• 47:01
  only thinking about what your mind and what your,
• 47:03
  what your senses. You know, like you're seeing in
• 47:06
  front of you right then and there. Rather than
• 47:09
  coming back into a more reflective state and
• 47:10
  noticing things and what that means and that kind
• 47:12
  of stuff.
• 47:13
  Meredith Oke: It'S having intuitions and.
• 47:17
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, because then, like, if you think about it,
• 47:21
  if you're stuck in your mind, you're stuck in the
• 47:23
  present, you know, but if we talk about, if we
• 47:27
  talk about the heart being what accesses, you
• 47:30
  know, you know, your, the ether around you. And
• 47:35
  if everything, all consciousness is stored in the
• 47:37
  ether, then of course you're reflecting about,
• 47:40
  you know, past, present, intuition. You're
• 47:42
  getting all these different information from
• 47:44
  time. That's not right now like being distracted
• 47:47
  by right now, you know, because it's the organ
• 47:49
  that allows us to connect to that. So. Or if
• 47:53
  you're reaching out to someone else with your
• 47:55
  heart rather than with your mind and trying to
• 47:58
  force them to do something, but you're reaching
• 47:59
  out with your heart, you're probably going to
• 48:01
  learn a lot more about them and understand them a
• 48:04
  lot better because you're reaching with that
• 48:07
  heart which allows you to see not just what
• 48:08
  you're seeing, the behavior you're seeing in them
• 48:10
  right now, but probably a lot more information
• 48:12
  about them from their past or whatever. It opens
• 48:15
  you up to seeing those types of things.
• 48:20
  Meredith Oke: So cool. I love these conversations and it's, you
• 48:26
  know what I love too is that like I've been
• 48:30
  contemplating these ideas for a while and I
• 48:32
  always was like, okay, I have to go to the woo
• 48:35
  Woo people and everything that most of the things
• 48:39
  they say make sense and feel true. But it didn't.
• 48:45
  But then the science people would be.
• 48:47
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Like, no, no, no.
• 48:48
  Meredith Oke: And now it's just like open season everything.
• 48:54
  Like the looking at life through the idea of
• 48:58
  physics is just like a whole new, we're in a
• 49:01
  whole new paradigm, a whole new world. Like all
• 49:03
  of these things just make sense.
• 49:05
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's the thing is that like, and you
• 49:07
  stuck, you're stuck in the science world, the
• 49:09
  biochemical science world. Everybody's just
• 49:11
  trying to prove that different biochemical
• 49:13
  equations are more, more important or prove this
• 49:16
  or prove that. Whereas when you get into this
• 49:19
  space, there's a lot of science, right? And we
• 49:21
  see a lot of science and we're saying but they
• 49:23
  were also like, but we know that's true, you
• 49:25
  know, because we feel that, you know, we, that
• 49:27
  science just explained that we're like, yeah,
• 49:29
  that makes total sense because I felt that before.
• 49:34
  Meredith Oke: It's funny when I talk to people like from the,
• 49:37
  from, from the woo world or the energy space and
• 49:41
  I give them like the, you know, two, two line
• 49:43
  explanation of quantum biology and say, you know,
• 49:46
  like it's showing or proving that there are
• 49:51
  quantum effects happening inside living systems.
• 49:53
  They, oh, the, the woo woo people are always
• 49:55
  like, people didn't know that.
• 50:00
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: They lost touch with it because they're living in
• 50:02
  this is news.
• 50:03
  Meredith Oke: Like, they just, like they're just looking at me
• 50:06
  like, well, of course that's how it works. Like,
• 50:09
  who doubted that? Like, well, yeah, everybody
• 50:12
  else. Okay, so I want to wrap up on a topic
• 50:19
  that's a little bit tricky, but I think really
• 50:23
  worth talking about and helpful to talk about.
• 50:27
  You sort of framed your, your take on biology for
• 50:32
  us at the beginning has, has a lot to do with the
• 50:35
  structured water in our bodies and interbody
• 50:38
  communication and how, you know what, obviously
• 50:41
  what we put in our body is having an effect from.
• 50:44
  Through this paradigm is having an effect beyond
• 50:48
  what you would anticipate through a biochemical
• 50:50
  model. Okay, now we are talking. It's 20, 25. A
• 50:58
  few years ago there was a mass rollout of a new
• 51:06
  pharmaceutical product that was injected into
• 51:10
  many, many millions of people's bodies. And as
• 51:13
  we've been learning over the last few years, of
• 51:16
  course had a cascade effect that was
• 51:18
  unanticipated because they're working out of a
• 51:21
  old fashioned model of biology. However, that the
• 51:29
  effects of those injections are still, you know,
• 51:32
  we're still grappling with them. Some of the
• 51:34
  effects were immediate, some of them were a
• 51:36
  little longer term. So we're a few years out from
• 51:38
  the major rollout now. And I know that you're
• 51:41
  very well versed and very well researched on this
• 51:44
  topic. So I just wanted to hear where you think
• 51:49
  we're at, what you think is going on with those
• 51:52
  products and for people who took them, if there's
• 51:56
  anything that they can do.
• 51:58
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, I have kind of been like, I had been
• 52:03
  kind of loosely aware of these things and just
• 52:05
  like kind of paying attention to them and keeping
• 52:07
  up with, you know, the, the news and stuff was
• 52:09
  coming out and. But I was reading a book by
• 52:14
  Gilbert Ling, I don't remember which one of his
• 52:17
  books I was reading, but he was talking about an
• 52:20
  experiment that he did and he was using ethylene
• 52:24
  glycol to inject into cells. For some reason, and
• 52:29
  I can't remember the reason because I was so
• 52:31
  blown away. I was like, ethylene glycol. I was
• 52:33
  like, I know that substance. And then I was like,
• 52:35
  I think that's in these injections. So I went and
• 52:38
  looked it up and in fact, in two of the brands,
• 52:44
  polyethylene glycol was in them. And polyethylene
• 52:48
  glycol is by definition just a string of ethylene
• 52:50
  glycols. They've Put.
• 52:52
  Meredith Oke: Which is what for us?
• 52:54
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, ethylene glycol, I think actually
• 52:56
  polyethylene glycol is like antifreeze. Oh, yeah.
• 53:03
  So if you sprayed it on your frozen car window,
• 53:06
  it would melt it. Or you. You put it to something
• 53:09
  if you don't want it to freeze.
• 53:10
  Meredith Oke: Yeah, but isn't that the stuff. They're like,
• 53:12
  careful while you put this. So your dog doesn't
• 53:14
  get it because it's toxic.
• 53:15
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely.
• 53:16
  Meredith Oke: Okay.
• 53:17
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And, you know, there's polyethylene glycol
• 53:20
  in a lot of different products that we. That
• 53:22
  people, maybe not you and I, I don't know,
• 53:25
  consume on, on a regular basis. It can be in,
• 53:27
  like, toothpaste, it can be in a lot of different
• 53:29
  things. But however, when you ingest it, it
• 53:32
  doesn't seem to be that much of an issue. Your
• 53:35
  body seems to get rid of it pretty easily. It has
• 53:37
  the mechanisms that just get rid of it. Even if
• 53:39
  you absorb some of it in your liver, gets rid of
• 53:41
  it pretty easily in those small amounts anyways.
• 53:45
  However, if you inject it and go past those
• 53:49
  barriers that use to eliminate it, that can cause
• 53:53
  a problem. So anyways, what Dr. Ling found was
• 53:57
  that he was injecting it. And again, I don't
• 53:59
  remember why he was doing this in his experiment,
• 54:00
  but he would inject it into a cell, the ethylene
• 54:03
  glycol. And at first he saw the cell would start
• 54:07
  to shrink a little bit. Just like very briefly,
• 54:09
  it would shrink, and then it would just all of a
• 54:11
  sudden start to expand. Like, the CE would get
• 54:13
  huge. So if we think about what's in the cell, a
• 54:16
  cell is largely. What largely fills the cell is
• 54:19
  structured water. And so structured water is. So,
• 54:23
  like, when you take water and you freeze it, it
• 54:26
  becomes less dense, or so it just expands. Ice
• 54:29
  expands. That's why if you put. If you freeze
• 54:31
  water in a glass bottle, it'll break the bottle.
• 54:32
  Right. However, structured water is actually more
• 54:37
  dense. So it kind of shrinks. So if we get liquid
• 54:39
  water, the space that the water is becomes more
• 54:42
  dense. Right. And so that's what a cell is. Is
• 54:45
  this. This more dense structure water or a large
• 54:47
  portion of the cell is this more dense,
• 54:49
  structured water? And then he injected
• 54:51
  polyethylene glycol into it, and he saw at first,
• 54:54
  like this, very momentarily shrinking and then
• 54:56
  just expanding. Right. So what was happening is
• 54:58
  that the structured water was being destroyed and
• 55:00
  it was going back to liquid water, which means no
• 55:03
  more area. Like, it creates bigger. So basically,
• 55:06
  ethylene glycol was destroying structured water.
• 55:08
  And that's what he found, that it interfered with
• 55:10
  structured water's ability to form. So you take
• 55:14
  that and you realize that here it is in these
• 55:17
  injections.
• 55:18
  Meredith Oke: And then, okay, sorry, I just want to make sure I
• 55:20
  have it. So the cell is made of structured water.
• 55:24
  Gilbert Ling did experiments for unknown reasons
• 55:26
  that don't matter, but he put this ingredient
• 55:29
  into the cell and it damaged the structured water.
• 55:35
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yes, like it broke it up and it turned, it went
• 55:38
  back to liquid water because there's liquid water
• 55:41
  in the cell.
• 55:42
  Meredith Oke: So it like pulled it out of the fourth phase and
• 55:44
  put it back into regular water, right?
• 55:46
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, it caused a phase transition. Right. You
• 55:49
  know.
• 55:49
  Meredith Oke: Okay.
• 55:50
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Away from fourth phase back to liquid water. And
• 55:53
  that created this swelling of the cells, which is
• 55:55
  exactly what happens when we get swelling in our
• 55:56
  tissue. Right. If you, if your tissue swells,
• 56:00
  it's because there's a damage. The status quo is
• 56:02
  damaged. It can't maintain structured water. And
• 56:04
  we start to get the swelling of the tissue while
• 56:07
  this healing response happens. And there's also
• 56:10
  blood flow increases to the area and lots of
• 56:12
  things happen to try and heal it. But that's one
• 56:14
  reason that we get swelling. So anyways, so then
• 56:18
  I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. So now
• 56:20
  we can understand that there's a certain
• 56:21
  ingredient. And then there's also Polysorbate 80,
• 56:24
  which is in the other two brands that we of the
• 56:26
  injection that were out there. And it's been
• 56:29
  shown to have similar like effects to
• 56:31
  polyethylene glycol or ethylene glycol. So
• 56:35
  anyways, so we're injecting this past. We're not
• 56:39
  ingesting it so we can get rid of it pretty
• 56:40
  easily. We're injecting it right into the
• 56:42
  tissues, which is surpassing that natural
• 56:44
  mechanism. We're not supposed to have things
• 56:46
  injected necessarily.
• 56:48
  Meredith Oke: Was the thinking, oh, this is non toxic because
• 56:51
  when people ingest it, they're able to get rid of
• 56:53
  it. Or was there just not any thinking was, who
• 56:56
  knows?
• 56:57
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: It could have just been that, you know, for these
• 57:00
  types of things to quote unquote, work, there has
• 57:03
  to be something to aggravate the immune system.
• 57:05
  Maybe that was it. I don't know. I'm not sure
• 57:08
  exactly why they use them. I didn't go too far
• 57:10
  into that, but they're in there.
• 57:12
  Meredith Oke: Okay.
• 57:12
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: And so if we look at that and we recognize that
• 57:17
  now we've injected this, you know, large amount
• 57:20
  of stuff that can destroy structured water. Well,
• 57:23
  you know, look at some of the side effects of
• 57:26
  these injections. And it's not just these
• 57:28
  injections, it's other injections too. It's just
• 57:29
  likely that other toxins do the same thing. But
• 57:33
  when you look at the side effects, one of them
• 57:35
  you just have a local reaction, right? A red
• 57:39
  response, kind of a histamine reaction to that.
• 57:42
  And so if you look at what the way, the way we
• 57:45
  get a histamine response or one way we get a
• 57:47
  histamine response is if the voltage of a cell
• 57:49
  drops too much and that makes mass cells which
• 57:52
  make histamine unstable. And if they become
• 57:55
  unstable, they start releasing histamine like
• 57:57
  crazy. And so what holds the charge?
• 57:59
  Meredith Oke: Say that again. Can you say that one more time?
• 58:01
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: So the charge of a cell, the voltage of a cell,
• 58:04
  which if you learn, study the physiology, you all
• 58:06
  know there's this net negative voltage of a cell.
• 58:08
  And that net negative voltage is what makes the
• 58:11
  cell stable. And if we get a drop in voltage,
• 58:14
  then that can make mast cells unstable. And the
• 58:18
  mast cells are the cells in the body that release
• 58:22
  the things in the body that release the mast cell
• 58:25
  or the histamine. And the histamine response is
• 58:27
  what makes you itchy and have this red response,
• 58:30
  you know. And so if you look at structured water
• 58:34
  is what holds the negative voltage in a cell.
• 58:36
  It's what gets the cell, it's net negative
• 58:38
  charge. So if you inject something locally there
• 58:40
  that interferes with structured water formation,
• 58:42
  now there's no net negative charge being held,
• 58:45
  and it's more likely to drop that voltage. You
• 58:47
  drop the voltage. Mast cells, when you drop the
• 58:49
  voltage, makes them unstable, they start spewing
• 58:51
  out histamine and you get this red response,
• 58:54
  right? So that can happen locally if the person
• 58:57
  is in a compromised state already, which is why
• 59:00
  we see more issues with type 2 diabetics and
• 59:02
  things like that, then this can be a systemic
• 59:05
  response, and that's anaphylaxis and that's life
• 59:08
  threatening.
• 59:09
  Meredith Oke: So that's like I get stung by a bee, I get, I get
• 59:11
  a red welt. But someone else goes into
• 59:14
  anaphylactic shock, right?
• 59:16
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: So it just depends, same stimulant or what
• 59:18
  they've learned to be reactive to in the past,
• 59:20
  right? What their body's learned to be reactive
• 59:22
  to. So that's one thing. That's one thing that
• 59:24
  happened with them that we can explain. Another
• 59:27
  thing that happened was clotting, Excessive
• 59:30
  clotting happened. And so I've spoken a lot
• 59:33
  about, I'm sure on the last or the first podcast
• 59:36
  we did that we talked about how heart disease is
• 59:38
  caused by clotting. And the way you prevent
• 59:41
  clotting biophysically is you build structured
• 59:43
  water in the arteries. Because when you build
• 59:45
  structured water in the arteries, it keeps blood
• 59:46
  moving, it protects the lining of the artery, and
• 59:48
  it keeps blood thin or all the elements above,
• 59:51
  even in space. And that prevents clotting. If you
• 59:54
  inject something that breaks down structured
• 59:55
  water, you're highly predisposing someone to
• 59:57
  clotting because you're getting thick, stagnant
• 1:00:00
  blood. You're. You're taking away the protection
• 1:00:02
  lining the artery, which now it can be damaged.
• 1:00:04
  And you're interfering with blood flow when you
• 1:00:06
  tear down structured water. So stagnant, thick
• 1:00:08
  blood is going to clot. And so that's exactly
• 1:00:12
  what we saw with these things. We saw excessive
• 1:00:15
  clotting in people. Another thing we saw was high
• 1:00:20
  blood pressure. A lot of people had high blood
• 1:00:21
  pressure. And so again, if you destroy the
• 1:00:26
  structured water on the lining of the artery or
• 1:00:27
  you make it less likely to form, and the
• 1:00:29
  structured water is what's moving the blood
• 1:00:31
  through a tube. Well, if the, if the blood in the
• 1:00:34
  tube is not moving fast enough, how does the body
• 1:00:37
  get it? One way the body gets it to move faster
• 1:00:39
  is you constrict, right? Just like if you put
• 1:00:41
  your thumb over the end of a hose and water comes
• 1:00:45
  out faster because you're decreasing the area to
• 1:00:47
  which it can travel. The same thing, you
• 1:00:48
  constrict the blood vessel and it moves faster,
• 1:00:52
  but it also creates more pressure. And so you're
• 1:00:54
  increasing blood pressure. So again, that could
• 1:00:58
  be a pitomechanism there. Another thing that we
• 1:01:02
  saw was myocarditis or pericarditis, inflammation
• 1:01:07
  of the heart. And the kind of the sacs, I guess,
• 1:01:11
  that contain the heart, the connective tissue
• 1:01:14
  sacs that hold it where it is. And so myocarditis
• 1:01:18
  is inflammation of the heart muscles themselves,
• 1:01:21
  the muscle cells. And then pericarditis is the
• 1:01:24
  pericardium around the heart was getting
• 1:01:27
  inflamed. And, you know, itis means inflammation.
• 1:01:30
  And so what's happening there is that structured
• 1:01:33
  water is in the cells. And it's also not just in
• 1:01:36
  the cells, but it lay. It lines our tissues,
• 1:01:39
  right? And structured water also is. Creates a
• 1:01:43
  frictionless barrier. So if, like, it's what
• 1:01:46
  forms when you ice skate on ice, there's
• 1:01:48
  structured water forming on the ice as it slowly,
• 1:01:50
  like, instantaneously melts. And then your. Your
• 1:01:53
  ice skate is sliding across it. And so this is
• 1:01:55
  frictionless barrier. So you grab the ice out of
• 1:01:58
  the freezer and it sticks to you, and then it
• 1:02:00
  melts and it slips right out of your hand. Right.
• 1:02:02
  Because the melting of it, you're forming this
• 1:02:03
  layer of structured water there. And so it
• 1:02:07
  creates this frictionless barrier. And so if you
• 1:02:08
  look at heart cells the way they are, they're
• 1:02:11
  heart muscle cells. They're lined up like they're
• 1:02:15
  connected by these intercalated discs like this,
• 1:02:17
  and the one after the other. And so they create
• 1:02:19
  these tubes of muscle. So when it contracts, the
• 1:02:21
  muscle kind of slides back and forth as it
• 1:02:23
  contracts as one. Right. So you get two of them,
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  they're sliding past each other like this.
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  However, if there's no structured water between
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  them, creating a frictionless barrier, guess what
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  you get inflammation. Myocarditis. Right. The
• 1:02:37
  other thing is that the. The pericardium and
• 1:02:42
  between the heart and the pericardium, there's
• 1:02:43
  also structured water that lines that. Those
• 1:02:46
  spaces between it. This is everywhere. It's
• 1:02:48
  between cells, it's everywhere. That gives it
• 1:02:50
  this frictionless barrier. So let's say you
• 1:02:54
  inject something that destroys structured water,
• 1:02:56
  and you have two of these barriers next to each
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  other, and that frictionless effect is not there.
• 1:03:05
  It's going to create inflammation. So why didn't
• 1:03:07
  we see inflammation of the liver, inflammation of
• 1:03:11
  the kidneys? Why not? Why did it happen in the
• 1:03:13
  heart and the lungs? Pleuritis. Because those are
• 1:03:16
  the organs that are moving in the body.
• 1:03:20
  Meredith Oke: So they rely on that.
• 1:03:21
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Right.
• 1:03:21
  Meredith Oke: That friction on that structured water for that
• 1:03:23
  frictionless movement.
• 1:03:24
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And so when you get. Especially the heart,
• 1:03:26
  we saw that more because again, the heart is
• 1:03:28
  moving more frequently and faster than the lungs.
• 1:03:32
  So we saw it in there. And then lastly, we saw
• 1:03:37
  increases in cancer. Right. And so what cancer
• 1:03:40
  is, is everybody says cancer is a metabolic
• 1:03:42
  disease. And there is definitely a metabolic
• 1:03:44
  component, and mitochondrial health is key. But
• 1:03:46
  it's not that. It's not that the mitochondria are
• 1:03:51
  like, not making enough energy or not making
• 1:03:53
  enough ATP. It's. I mean, it is kind of that, but
• 1:03:56
  it's really that what's. When the mitochondria
• 1:03:58
  don't function, the cell can't hold its voltage.
• 1:04:02
  And so there's plenty of studies that show that
• 1:04:06
  when cancer cells are. They don't use oxygen,
• 1:04:09
  meaning the mitochondria aren't functioning well,
• 1:04:11
  and that they. They have a pH, a higher pH or
• 1:04:16
  lower pH mean, meaning they're more acidic. And
• 1:04:19
  so more acidity means less negative charge. And
• 1:04:22
  so they've lost their voltage. Right. And so the
• 1:04:24
  reason that happens is because, I mean, the more
• 1:04:30
  traditional way that it happens is that you get
• 1:04:32
  poor mitochondrial function, mitochondrial damage
• 1:04:34
  from toxin exposures, poor metabolic health, poor
• 1:04:37
  mitophagy, that kind of stuff. All that stuff
• 1:04:39
  doesn't happen. And then the mitochondria aren't
• 1:04:42
  producing enough ATP. ATP is not unfolding
• 1:04:45
  cellular proteins giving water surface area to
• 1:04:48
  structure itself on. So if you don't get that,
• 1:04:51
  which is what the purpose of ATP is, is to unfold
• 1:04:54
  proteins. It's not to power the whole cell or the
• 1:04:56
  whole body. It's to unfold proteins so that
• 1:04:59
  there's surface area to hold charge, to hold
• 1:05:01
  energy, which is structured water. If you don't
• 1:05:04
  get that, then you can get into a cancerous state
• 1:05:08
  or a cell can lose its voltage. And when a cell
• 1:05:10
  loses its voltage, it loses its ability to
• 1:05:13
  communicate and function properly. And then it
• 1:05:15
  goes into survival mode and it starts rapidly
• 1:05:17
  dividing because it doesn't see itself as part of
• 1:05:20
  a whole. It sees itself as one individual cell
• 1:05:22
  that has to survive. So it starts rapidly
• 1:05:24
  dividing, and its progeny do the same thing. And
• 1:05:27
  so that's what cancer is. And so that's kind of
• 1:05:31
  the more traditional route of coming to cancer.
• 1:05:34
  However, you could also introduce something that
• 1:05:36
  destroys structured water directly. And you turn
• 1:05:39
  these cells, who may or may not have functioning
• 1:05:42
  mitochondria, maybe that stuff damages
• 1:05:44
  mitochondria too, but it also interferes with the
• 1:05:47
  body's ability to structure water in the cell.
• 1:05:51
  And then the cell is more likely to lose its
• 1:05:52
  voltage and become cancerous. And so they're
• 1:05:55
  calling them like these turbo cancers because the
• 1:05:59
  body can't get rid of these things. Because you
• 1:06:01
  look at most people, their detox pathways are
• 1:06:04
  shut down. They're completely shut down. They
• 1:06:08
  have stagnant fluid in the body. The blood flow
• 1:06:10
  is not moving well, the lymph is not moving well.
• 1:06:12
  They're not sweating on a daily know I've met so
• 1:06:16
  many people who can't sweat. They just. They try
• 1:06:18
  to and they can't because there's just detox
• 1:06:19
  mechanisms are shut down. Their liver is backed
• 1:06:21
  up and not supported properly. They may have
• 1:06:24
  constipation, like their detox mechanisms are
• 1:06:26
  shut down. And that's a lot of people in this
• 1:06:29
  world.
• 1:06:29
  Meredith Oke: And detox mechanisms being sweating, pooping,
• 1:06:34
  what else?
• 1:06:35
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Just the liver itself functioning properly. But
• 1:06:38
  if the liver is always dealing with all the
• 1:06:39
  toxins you're supposed to every single day, it
• 1:06:41
  can't do that as well. Plus it's not supported
• 1:06:43
  well enough because it doesn't have the right
• 1:06:45
  nutrients, collagen, B vitamins, things like that
• 1:06:48
  that we largely get from animal foods. Like those
• 1:06:51
  things are important for the liver to do the
• 1:06:54
  conjugation phases of its detoxification. So all
• 1:06:58
  that stuff is. And then just static lymph, it's
• 1:07:01
  just not getting out, you know, because we have
• 1:07:03
  bound up fascia, because we're not in infrared
• 1:07:06
  light, we have scar tissue in the body, things
• 1:07:08
  like that. The lymph is just not moving. People
• 1:07:11
  are just not moving in general where, you know,
• 1:07:13
  people are living sedentary lives. And so all
• 1:07:16
  that stuff is just, we're not getting rid of this
• 1:07:18
  polyethylene glycol or polysorbate ab or whatever
• 1:07:21
  else is in them. You know, we're just not getting
• 1:07:22
  rid of them. And so with that, we get these
• 1:07:26
  people that are just, you know, perpetually in
• 1:07:31
  this state after this injection. And I'm, I'm of
• 1:07:35
  the opinion that the process of getting sick from
• 1:07:38
  any viral type illness is similar to this because
• 1:07:43
  it's just a toxic response to the body. Like the
• 1:07:46
  body has been introduced by a toxin and it could
• 1:07:48
  be environmental stuff that triggers it, or it
• 1:07:50
  could be directly introducing a toxin via an
• 1:07:54
  injection or something. So it's just your body
• 1:07:56
  having a detox response. But that's. So it's the
• 1:07:58
  same thing. It's the same kind of response. So
• 1:08:02
  you could be struggling from the vaccine or
• 1:08:05
  illnesses. You know, they could go on
• 1:08:07
  perpetually, which is an issue.
• 1:08:11
  Meredith Oke: I've heard that a lot from people. Like they'll
• 1:08:13
  get the flu and it'll last for like, they'll have
• 1:08:16
  symptoms for like a month.
• 1:08:18
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.
• 1:08:19
  Meredith Oke: Or a cold that goes on for like weeks and weeks
• 1:08:21
  and weeks and weeks. Like the body doesn't seem
• 1:08:23
  able to resolve just a normal.
• 1:08:26
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: It's in a seasonal state.
• 1:08:28
  Meredith Oke: Detox properly.
• 1:08:29
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, I mean you
• 1:08:31
  think about it like if you get it this type of
• 1:08:33
  illness and it gets bad enough, your body mounts
• 1:08:36
  a fever to force you to sweat and, and that's
• 1:08:41
  what happens. And then that's the way it was in
• 1:08:42
  the old days. Oh. And they, you know, they, they
• 1:08:45
  broke their fever, you know, they sweated it out
• 1:08:47
  and then they were better. Yeah, it's just like,
• 1:08:50
  that's. Makes a lot more sense to me. So that's
• 1:08:55
  what it is. And it's a similar reaction when you
• 1:08:57
  inject something that your body can't get rid of
• 1:09:00
  because your detox pathways are shut down. So the
• 1:09:02
  first step is charge your body, give Your body
• 1:09:04
  the energy it needs to then eventually get rid of
• 1:09:08
  this stuff. So charge your body means sunlight,
• 1:09:10
  grounding, avoiding toxins. It means metabolic
• 1:09:15
  health. So good energy sources, food energy
• 1:09:18
  sources, but also grounding and sunlight, like we
• 1:09:20
  said. And it means avoiding emf, things that
• 1:09:24
  steal the charge, avoiding artificial light that
• 1:09:27
  steals the charge, all those different things. So
• 1:09:29
  allow your body to actually charge up its battery
• 1:09:32
  and then open up detox pathways, then start to
• 1:09:35
  open things up. So fix constipation in whatever
• 1:09:38
  way you need to. It could just be that you're not
• 1:09:40
  drinking enough water or electrolytes. You know,
• 1:09:43
  start sweating, whether that's. If you don't want
• 1:09:45
  to exercise, get a sauna or sit in the sun. Like,
• 1:09:48
  start sweating. Start getting lymph moving. Like,
• 1:09:51
  lymphatic massages are great. You can do them on
• 1:09:54
  yourself. You can have someone else do them.
• 1:09:55
  Like, let's start getting stuff moving. Address
• 1:09:57
  the scar tissue in your body. Support the liver
• 1:10:00
  with B vitamins and collagen and things like
• 1:10:03
  that. Which, again, eating whole animal food
• 1:10:05
  sources is best. But, yeah, all that stuff. Once
• 1:10:08
  you start doing that, if you've charged up the
• 1:10:10
  body, you get enough energy, and then you open up
• 1:10:11
  the pathways, it'll get rid of stuff. It's really
• 1:10:13
  good at doing that. We're just in environments
• 1:10:15
  that are interfering with all that.
• 1:10:19
  Meredith Oke: Amazing. And I love that it's relatively simple.
• 1:10:23
  I find for people, the biggest barrier is, like,
• 1:10:26
  realizing they should do that. Whenever I talk to
• 1:10:29
  someone who has a lingering illness, which was a
• 1:10:32
  lot this winter, I'm like, you know, there's an
• 1:10:35
  infrared sauna place just in the next town over.
• 1:10:38
  It's only 10 minutes away. That would really
• 1:10:41
  help. And they're like, oh, yeah, okay. And I'm
• 1:10:46
  like, all right, I'm not gonna.
• 1:10:47
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, the other aspect of detoxing is circadian
• 1:10:50
  rhythm, like, getting melatonin levels higher so
• 1:10:53
  that you. When you do sleep, you're actually
• 1:10:55
  detoxifying at night. If you don't get that
• 1:10:57
  signal, you won't. So it's like I tell people,
• 1:10:59
  it's like, you never took the trash out in your
• 1:11:01
  house. If you're not doing that when you sleep.
• 1:11:04
  Meredith Oke: If the. If you're not making enough melatonin.
• 1:11:06
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Meredith Oke: In addition to other things, melatonin is a
• 1:11:11
  detoxifier, is what you're saying.
• 1:11:13
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, yeah, it stimulates the. Like, if you're
• 1:11:15
  talking about mitophagy and autophagy, lymphatic
• 1:11:17
  drainage and glymphatic drainage and gut lining
• 1:11:20
  repair and artery repair, like all that stuff
• 1:11:23
  like detox and repair happens at night if you
• 1:11:25
  have adequate melatonin. So again, that means
• 1:11:29
  mitochondrial function, but it also means getting
• 1:11:32
  that pineal melatonin by blocking blue light
• 1:11:34
  after sunset and optimizing that for sleep so
• 1:11:37
  that you get into that deep, restorative, healing
• 1:11:39
  sleep.
• 1:11:43
  Meredith Oke: Amazing. Well, Steven, thank you so much for
• 1:11:46
  coming back. This was really fun. We went to a
• 1:11:50
  lot of places. I feel like this was like four
• 1:11:52
  different episodes in one. It's good. It's great.
• 1:11:57
  So tell me how people can find you. There is an
• 1:12:01
  opportunity to see you speak live at the event in
• 1:12:08
  June. The Wild Retreat. Did I say the name?
• 1:12:12
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: I said it.
• 1:12:13
  Meredith Oke: Tell us about that.
• 1:12:14
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, well, people can find me on my website
• 1:12:16
  is resourceyourhealth.com and all the stuff.
• 1:12:20
  Meredith Oke: So. Resourceyourhealth.com r e s o u r c e
• 1:12:26
  yourhealth.com yes. All right. We will link to
• 1:12:28
  that in the show notes, but I know most of you
• 1:12:30
  are driving or whatever, so.
• 1:12:31
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Resourceyourhealth.com yeah, and all the stuff
• 1:12:35
  I'm doing is on there.
• 1:12:37
  Meredith Oke: And you're on the socials.
• 1:12:39
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, social media.
• 1:12:40
  Meredith Oke: What's your IG Social?
• 1:12:42
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Dr. Stephen Hussey. Stephen with a pH.
• 1:12:44
  Meredith Oke: Yeah, pH s t e P H E N H U S s e y. Dr. Stephen
• 1:12:52
  Hussey.
• 1:12:52
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And then, yes, I will be at the Return to
• 1:12:56
  Nature event, speaking. And that is in the June.
• 1:13:01
  End of June.
• 1:13:02
  Meredith Oke: End of June in beautiful Tennessee. We'll also
• 1:13:05
  put a link to that in the show notes. Keep doing
• 1:13:10
  the work you're doing. And that was. I just want
• 1:13:12
  to wrap up like, that is an incredible take on,
• 1:13:16
  on the shots. Have you. Is that like something
• 1:13:19
  you pieced together because you happen to read
• 1:13:21
  that Gilbert Ling research, or are people
• 1:13:23
  understanding that that could be part of it?
• 1:13:26
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's something I just pieced together. And it's
• 1:13:28
  one possible mechanism. There's obviously
• 1:13:30
  probably other mechanisms by which they could be
• 1:13:32
  causing harm. But that's one that I, when I
• 1:13:35
  figured that out, I'm just like, oh, well, that
• 1:13:38
  can explain, you know, the, the high blood
• 1:13:41
  pressure can explain all the different things if
• 1:13:43
  you know. But I also knew previous information
• 1:13:45
  about structured water. So having that previous
• 1:13:48
  information, I was like, oh, well, then I can
• 1:13:50
  explain it all.
• 1:13:52
  Meredith Oke: Yeah. And you are likely one of very few people
• 1:13:55
  in the world who would have had a place to put
• 1:13:57
  all.
• 1:13:57
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Those things together or would be reading Gilbert
• 1:13:59
  Ling.
• 1:14:00
  Meredith Oke: Exactly. You've read Gilbert Ling. You understand
• 1:14:03
  structured water and you're reading the
• 1:14:04
  ingredient list on pharmaceutical products.
• 1:14:07
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.
• 1:14:08
  Meredith Oke: Yeah. Well, that's what we're here for. That is
• 1:14:13
  why this podcast exists, because we love to hear
• 1:14:17
  what you're all learning, and it's so important
• 1:14:21
  and makes such a difference to our lives. So
• 1:14:23
  thank you for all your amazing work, and thank
• 1:14:25
  you for sharing it with us.
• 1:14:26
  Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, thanks for having me on.