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LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH SHANETTE W JOHNSON |1ST & 3RD MONDAY 8PM EST · DA CREW Podcast

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  Speaker 9: Let's talk about it. Put your hostion at Johnson.
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  Speaker 9: It's by CAM and Let's talk about It.
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  Speaker 10: Will you?
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  Speaker 9: Good evening and welcome to Let's Talk About It. I
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  Speaker 9: am your hostion at Johnson. I am so excited to
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  Speaker 9: be with you on today my first podcast. I am
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  Speaker 9: using this platform tonight to talk to my husband Ryn
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  Speaker 9: Johnson about his wrong for conviction and I'm just waiting
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  Speaker 9: for him to to come up in any minute. Please
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  Speaker 9: forgive me. I am a little nervous. This is my
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  Speaker 9: first time doing this, so I'm gonna try to relax
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  Speaker 9: my nerves. As soon as he come up. We're gonna
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  Speaker 9: sit back, We're gonna talk, We're gonna I'm gonna ask
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  Speaker 9: him some questions about his about the wrong for conviction
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  Speaker 9: that he's been facing. He's been incarcerated for the last
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  Speaker 9: fourteen years for a crime that he didn't commit.
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  Speaker 6: So with.
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  Speaker 9: Well, no more talking for me because I'm a little nervous.
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  Speaker 9: I have wine on the phone.
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  Speaker 7: Wine.
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  Speaker 6: Oh hello.
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  Speaker 9: So I was just sharing with everyone about the wrong
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  Speaker 9: for conviction and first I would like for you to
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  Speaker 9: who win Johnson.
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  Speaker 6: Is well won. Johnson is for one.
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  Speaker 9: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: I want to thank you for around me to use
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  Speaker 6: your platform to get my message out on this wrong
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  Speaker 6: for conviction, first and foremost warn Johnson four years old,
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  Speaker 6: born and raised in County, California. I am a fire
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  Speaker 6: of seven children, five grandchildren. I have my own businesses.
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  Speaker 6: When I was when I was out in the world,
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  Speaker 6: in the free world, our own mom brobecue spot, and
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  Speaker 6: also drove over the road truck. I drove over the roads.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, you sound just as nervous as I do. So
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  Speaker 9: we just we just gonna just go like we normally
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  Speaker 9: just talk.
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  Speaker 6: So okay.
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  Speaker 1: In July.
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  Speaker 9: Of twenty nine, twenty on nine, am I correct, tell
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  Speaker 9: us what happened that day. Let let us know what
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  Speaker 9: Let the listeners know what happened. I want to start
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  Speaker 9: from the beginning and then we get into the meat
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  Speaker 9: of the of how everything you know, start from let
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  Speaker 9: the listeners know how everything went down, and then we'll
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  Speaker 9: take on to the the trial.
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  Speaker 6: Well, July twenty first, two thousand and nine, was William,
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  Speaker 6: the worst.
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  Speaker 8: Day of my life.
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  Speaker 13: I was uh, I was uh picked I was picked up.
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  Speaker 6: I was picked there for my place of business and
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  Speaker 6: taken into custody for homicide which a person lost his life.
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  Speaker 6: His name is Roberto human As, and you know, my
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  Speaker 6: heart goes out to his family. I was arrested for
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  Speaker 6: for homicide which I did not commit, and even the
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  Speaker 6: Julia twelve said that I did not commit.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, so we're going to get to that part. So
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  Speaker 9: to day that that you're was arrested. Were that was
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  Speaker 9: there a warrant did they have for warrmth for are
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  Speaker 9: your arrest?
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  Speaker 6: Uh No, it wasn't. It wasn't a one out for
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  Speaker 6: my arrest. I was picked up, and I guess the
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  Speaker 6: detective was hoping I had any information, which I didn't
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  Speaker 6: when he when he when I was picked up.
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  Speaker 9: So basically, they wanted you to make up a story
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  Speaker 9: or give them some information or or what you know,
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  Speaker 9: can you explain that a little more for me.
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  Speaker 6: Or you know, when I was I was asked by
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  Speaker 6: the detective or I was told by the detective, okay,
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  Speaker 6: you know, pretty much he wanted me to implement myself
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  Speaker 6: in a crime that I did not commit. So pretty
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  Speaker 6: much he was saying, uh me him, which is a
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  Speaker 6: detective on this case, wanted me to uh implement myself
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  Speaker 6: give him some information on this case, which I didn't
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  Speaker 6: have any, and he said, may he say the first
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  Speaker 6: horse to the finish line wins the race? So many
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  Speaker 6: he's saying that anyone that offered him information pretty much
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  Speaker 6: will be charging the people that was involved in this case. Also, uh,
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  Speaker 6: didn't never get charged in this case because again he said,
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  Speaker 6: the first horse to the finished life wins the race.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So since you didn't have no information, they went
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  Speaker 9: to the next to someone else, he broke up. Since
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  Speaker 9: you didn't have no information to give them, he went
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  Speaker 9: to someone.
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  Speaker 6: Else, He went to someone else. Yes, and I ended
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  Speaker 6: up with the charges.
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  Speaker 9: And what was the charges?
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  Speaker 6: First degree murder after delibrace and first agree feeder the murder.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, So with that with them two charges, how long
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  Speaker 9: did it take them to get you before the judge?
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  Speaker 9: Before your trials actually started?
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  Speaker 6: It took believe like the close of two years for
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  Speaker 6: me to go to my first trial. And then my
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  Speaker 6: first trial was a mistrial, and I believe it was
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  Speaker 6: like four four months later, made of September, like four
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  Speaker 6: or five months later I had my second trial which
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  Speaker 6: I was found not guilty of first three murder after deliberation.
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  Speaker 6: But I was found guilty of Saurny murder.
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  Speaker 9: Okay. So you said it took you almost.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty seven months altogether for both trials. For me to
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  Speaker 6: be convicted took twenty seven months.
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  Speaker 9: Twenty seven months. So why did it take so long
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  Speaker 9: before before the first trial started? Why did it take so.
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  Speaker 6: Long the first Well, the witness that was in this
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  Speaker 6: case had a fair case that he was that he
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  Speaker 6: was arrested for, and they wanted to see where the
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  Speaker 6: detectives offer him a deal too, pretty much implement me.
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  Speaker 9: In this case.
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  Speaker 13: And I found all that out in the interrogations that
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  Speaker 13: he had, so pretty much my lawyers wanted to wait
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  Speaker 13: to see what the deal was before we end up
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  Speaker 13: on the trial.
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  Speaker 9: Okay. So you said that your first trial was a
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  Speaker 9: mistrial because lack of evidence, no evidence, Okay, So we
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  Speaker 9: went to So you get to the second trial. The
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  Speaker 9: day of jury, the day they was picking a jury.
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  Speaker 9: What was going on outside of the court the day
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  Speaker 9: they was picking jury?
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  Speaker 6: Uh well, around lunch time. When on when the when
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  Speaker 6: the jaugs dismissed the potential jeels for lunch, it was
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  Speaker 6: a rally going on outside on the courthouse. Uh, in
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  Speaker 6: the on the courthouse steps. It was a rally, uh
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  Speaker 6: speaking about murder victims. So they were having a rally
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  Speaker 6: speaking on uh, how to put murders away for life,
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  Speaker 6: unsolved murders and uh so on and so forth. It
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  Speaker 6: was a rally for victims of murder.
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  Speaker 9: So with the rally going on outside of the court,
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  Speaker 9: and then jury was on lunch, did your lawyer participant
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  Speaker 9: or go to the judge and ask them to look
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  Speaker 9: into that or you know, to throw out that that
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  Speaker 9: jury because I would think that the jury is tainted
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  Speaker 9: with the pro the protests that's going on outside the court.
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  Speaker 9: So you know what what happened? You know, let us
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  Speaker 9: know what happened.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we came back in. Well when when when everybody
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  Speaker 6: came back in after once my attorneys went to well, actually,
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  Speaker 6: judge can't approach. They went and approached the judge and
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  Speaker 6: and and let her know that it was a rally
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  Speaker 6: going on outside, and they they petitioned her to dismiss
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  Speaker 6: this jury pool because they wasn't sworn in yet, so
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  Speaker 6: it wasn't prejudiced on either side, so it wouldn't have
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  Speaker 6: hurted anything to dismiss this jury pool and come back
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  Speaker 6: another day. So my lawyers were saying that I wasn't
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  Speaker 6: going to get a fair trial, but the judge refused
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  Speaker 6: to and her name was Christine Hoppis, that was the
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  Speaker 6: judge on my trial. She refused to give to dismiss
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  Speaker 6: this jury pool and said that she would just ask
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  Speaker 6: certain individuals or over half her were out there at
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  Speaker 6: this rally. Just watched the whole rally throughout the whole
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  Speaker 6: lunch period, which was like an hour, hour and a half.
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  Speaker 6: But the judge refused to dismiss the pool and just
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  Speaker 6: said that she would ask by a raise of hands,
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  Speaker 6: who get an effect over like I said, over half
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  Speaker 6: of them. It was seventy two, seventy two people or
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  Speaker 6: seventy two potential judgs there in the courtroom, and over
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  Speaker 6: half of them raised their hands as saying that they
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  Speaker 6: seemed through trial.
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  Speaker 8: And it went on from there.
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  Speaker 6: So she started then she asked how many did it effect?
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  Speaker 6: Multiple raised their hands. We end up going into to
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  Speaker 6: the chamber and she asked them, you know how it
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  Speaker 6: affects you and different things like that. Five of them
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  Speaker 6: said that it really affected and they they was dismissed.
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  Speaker 6: The other one said that they can uh be partial. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: But at the same time, I have Casewater said that
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  Speaker 6: if one drill was affected, potential drill was affected, all
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  Speaker 6: of them were affected and you must get rid of
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  Speaker 6: all of them. But she refused to do that.
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  Speaker 9: Did she give up? Did she give a reason why
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  Speaker 9: she wasn't going to just dismiss the.
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  Speaker 6: The jury, the potential jurors. Yes, No, she just she
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  Speaker 6: dismissed the five but said that they couldn't that they
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  Speaker 6: were affected by it. They was a couple of them
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  Speaker 6: was crying and the air and the champe and everything.
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  Speaker 6: But she just said that, Uh, she wentn't gonna dismiss
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  Speaker 6: because she wasn't fit the start a new trial. But again,
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  Speaker 6: if you if they always out there and see it,
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  Speaker 6: they're human beings and speaking on the murders, it has
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  Speaker 6: an effect on people and when they when they when
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  Speaker 6: they're out there rallying it, it's speaking of how to
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  Speaker 6: put murders away for life because some people got away
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  Speaker 6: with it. Some people wouldn't, uh think the murders that
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  Speaker 6: was the victims of the rally having their cases wasn't closed.
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  Speaker 6: And so by me being on trial for murder, it
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  Speaker 6: affected the jilly from.
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  Speaker 9: Day night okay, So let's start with your charges. You
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  Speaker 9: said that your first charge was murder first okay, and
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  Speaker 9: the second charge was.
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  Speaker 6: Second charges first murder, which was Setny murder. So it's
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  Speaker 6: a A B. That's what makes them different. Okay, they'll
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  Speaker 6: run the same, well learning the same. Uh. The first
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  Speaker 6: we know how the deliberation is the actual.
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  Speaker 8: Body well that's been murdered, uh, which.
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  Speaker 6: Would be a murder happened in the commission of a suddenty,
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  Speaker 6: which makes it Setny murder.
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  Speaker 9: Okay. So during your trial, now we we we're we're
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  Speaker 9: fens to going to the trial. As during your trial,
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  Speaker 9: when the witness was on stage, I mean up on
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  Speaker 9: on a witness stand, did he mentioned to the that
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  Speaker 9: he fabricated anything when the detective came to him, because
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  Speaker 9: I was reading into your transcripts and it was they
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  Speaker 9: were saying that that the witness and his wife made
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  Speaker 9: up stories before the detectives came to to pick him up.
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  Speaker 6: Uh. Yeah, when he was in his interrogation. And also
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  Speaker 6: understand he admitted to Ryan and making up stories so
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  Speaker 6: that he wouldn't get in trouble just throughout his whole
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  Speaker 6: his whole time, I mean his own interrogation with the detective. Uh,
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  Speaker 6: he was, he was swy. Well, he made up stories
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  Speaker 6: and if he felt right the detective was believing him,
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  Speaker 6: he would stick with that story. But when the detective
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  Speaker 6: would jump down on curs out him and everything and
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  Speaker 6: said that he was ring, he would change his story
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  Speaker 6: to something else. This is what he was staying on
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  Speaker 6: the stand. But he made up stories throughout the whole
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  Speaker 6: uh uh interrogation. He's speaking misunderstand when he said at
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  Speaker 6: he's making upstairs, you admitted to lion. Uh admitted to
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  Speaker 6: just fabricating everything. And so because because he was facing
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  Speaker 6: an indictment, he had been invited on the floor to
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  Speaker 6: fill case. So he was looking for a deal.
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  Speaker 9: So also in your transcripts, it says that it said
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  Speaker 9: that the the the camera was cut off and when
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  Speaker 9: it was interrogating the witness, but the volume was the
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  Speaker 9: still the volume was still.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. So yeah, so pretty much the detective tone uh
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  Speaker 6: toe rover was operating the camera the time the camera up,
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  Speaker 6: but the the the audio was still on and the detectives.
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  Speaker 8: Tell him, hey, you you must say it like this.
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  Speaker 8: We only friends in this and you need to.
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  Speaker 6: You need to say exactly what we're telling you to say,
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  Speaker 6: so you need.
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  Speaker 9: To do it this way.
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  Speaker 6: Pretty much coherciony uh uh uh pretty much telling him
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  Speaker 6: what to say in this trial. Uh, you know, in
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  Speaker 6: this terrogation.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, so much.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 9: I also read that his wife said that he called
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  Speaker 9: he called them and asked them, asked her to leave
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  Speaker 9: the house.
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  Speaker 6: Uh from what I from what I learned over my
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  Speaker 6: research and my cases. But the drug build went down, Uh,
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  Speaker 6: the vile the witness is actually the one that I
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  Speaker 6: believe pulled the trigger to kill this guy, and he
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  Speaker 6: killed his friend to keep the money that was involved
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  Speaker 6: in the whole drug bill. Ah. And when that happened,
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  Speaker 6: he thinks he's not knowing that he's that he's deceased
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  Speaker 6: at this time. So he ended up, uh I guess,
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  Speaker 6: getting up getting the phone or getting the phone and
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  Speaker 6: calling his wife to get out of the house because
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  Speaker 6: he didn't know where he went after he's been shot.
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  Speaker 6: So throughout all that, throughout all that incident, he was
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  Speaker 6: he told his wife and all this is in the transcripts, uh,
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  Speaker 6: to get out of the house and go to his
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  Speaker 6: mother's house with stay down the street.
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  Speaker 10: Uh.
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  Speaker 6: Later on, when they found out that that Roberto was deceased.
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  Speaker 6: They ended up going back home. Uh, I believe made
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  Speaker 6: up stories over the month, the month that he was
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  Speaker 6: before he was interrogated, Uh, and go back to work
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  Speaker 6: as nothing happened, just living his life.
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  Speaker 9: Oh wow. So when the victim's wife got on the stage,
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  Speaker 9: I also read hers, and my heart goes out to
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  Speaker 9: her where she was saying that they asked her, how
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  Speaker 9: did your husband sound? Did he sound like he was
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  Speaker 9: in any distress or anything? How did he sound? And
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  Speaker 9: she said normal that you know, he wasn't under no
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  Speaker 9: distress or anything. So I also read that the witness
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  Speaker 9: said that you Jan Johnson did not rob him, but
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  Speaker 9: my but you was charged what you uh, felony murdered
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  Speaker 9: and under my stand in Colorado murders felling, the murder
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  Speaker 9: statue is that you have to commit a felony in
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  Speaker 9: order to be convicted of felony murder? Am I right?
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  Speaker 9: Or am I wrong?
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  Speaker 6: So so pretty much when he's understand, I mean, when
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  Speaker 6: she's understanding, I'm gonna talk about, is uh Roberta's white first?
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  Speaker 6: When she was understand it was waiting first?
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  Speaker 14: When when uh the witnesses understand, He's saying but me
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  Speaker 14: and Roberto was fighting over the door to for me
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  Speaker 14: to get.
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  Speaker 6: Access into the car, which is another writing made up.
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  Speaker 6: Uh so. And he was on the phone at this
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  Speaker 6: time with his wife, uh and so when they asked
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  Speaker 6: her life, how does he sound when he got off
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  Speaker 6: the town, she said that he was after he was mama,
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  Speaker 6: he said, I love you, just a baby and our
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  Speaker 6: behind some she said, hurly because the food is cooked
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  Speaker 6: food for you. That's what she said.
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  Speaker 14: I understand.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: So there was no fighting over the door because, like
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I said, this is another story made up. Yes, I'm
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: gonna have to tell you like that. Okay.
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: So right now I am talking to my husband, Jayan Johnson.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: He's currently incarcerated in Denver on a road. I it
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: kind of reading his transcripts and talking through to him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable when you have a detective saying
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: that the first person to the that that gives that
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: that implements someone wins instead of going basing off the truth.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: You have no search warrant. You never went to the house,
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: went to his house or his business to see if
• 28:33
  Speaker 9: if if you can find any evidence putting him on
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: a scene or or anything. You know, It's just it's
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: just mind bobbling and I just didn't understand it. I
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: just don't understand it. Wand you're back, Yeah, So I
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: was just you know, just share my little thoughts. You know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: I'm still a little nervous, and you know, this is
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: our first time really speaking like out like this. But
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: it just it's just mind boggling when you know, reading
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: your transcripts and talking to you, listening to your your
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: case and stuff, how you can actually be charged with
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: felling me murder and the witnesses on the stand saying
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: that wine didn't rob me.
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Yes, he said that, and so so these understand and
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: they asked him, uh, you know the wine, Josh and Robbie.
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: He says no. So that would be one of the
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: elements that has to be proven in the court, in
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: the court the prosecution, and.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: By me not being ever being charged with the robbery, I.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Never defended his robbery, which is one of the elements
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: again for fellerily murder. So it has to be. And
• 30:12
  Speaker 6: I am built. If I'm money, I can lead with
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: the Colorado family murder. Ruse states where the prosecution must
• 30:21
  Speaker 6: prove to render a conviction of femerally murder in Colorado,
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: and he says, good, only two elements of prosecuted must
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: prove for a conviction of felerly murder to hold a
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: felling was tood that I was attempted in a perishing
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: not participating, and the felamy was killed. Well, it says
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: the two elements above must be present for a fairly
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: murdered charge. A conviction requires proof beyond a reason about
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: of homicide which I was found not guilty by Julie,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: the felermy which I was never charged with in my
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: charging documents, and the connection between the between both of
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: the crimes my my brother. And they said mohamoside must
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: be proven to beyond reason without and the underlying flamy
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: must be proven beyond reason without. So that's what makes
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: this felony murder conviction that I'm that I'm convicted of
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: illegal because again I was found out guilty of murder
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: and I was never charged little felony, which the prosecution
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: said a robbie.
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: So if it's if you need a felony to go
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: with the murder, to have to get felony murder under
• 31:37
  Speaker 9: their statue, you have to have underlying felony. Right, yes,
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: So why wasn't you Why wasn't you able to defend
• 31:51
  Speaker 9: against the robbery charge?
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: Because I was never charged with it? So how did
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: you get but when I was, when I was charged
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: with murder, the public defenders and attorneys that I had,
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: we defended against the murder, which was the prosecution home
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: uh uh the prosecution many spoke on that Roon Joson
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: committed murder. It was nomber though Jan Johnson committed robbery,
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: but he mentioned it in the trial in passing saying
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: that oh je Joson committed murder, committed murder. Oh he'll
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: buy the way and the commission of Advalvat and Robberley.
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: So when when this is going on alalvator robbery is
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: one robbery? But when when I finished, when the when
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: we was at the end of the trial and the
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: jobs good for uh jury?
• 32:45
  Speaker 12: What you know? I just I just want to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 9: Go back real quick. So because you know this, you
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: know even when we talk you, I always go back
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: to it because this bride robbery. How can you how
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: can someone mentioned the word robbery? The DA mentioned robbery
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: and not and they won't give you a chance to
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: defend against it or you know, are you you was
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: in charge with it? So how can you defend against
• 33:22
  Speaker 9: something just by word of mouth, just by.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: The mention I don't I don't have a clue I can.
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: I've been petitioning the courts. I had to how to
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: do it myself because again the course refused to give
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: me amia my process of.
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: Petitioning the courts.
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: So every time I petitioned.
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: Them for uh well, not answering my my, uh my issue.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: But they're going around and saying that, oh, it should
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: have been brought up before. When I had a appeals
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: l which never brought up anything about the funding money.
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: He brought up issues about the rally U, protective posting
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: on the Ryan Witness and different things of that nature,
• 34:19
  Speaker 6: but never anything about falling murder. So the courture told
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: me that I proceedually bored from bringing up the fact
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: that I was another charged with Robin. When I've convicted
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: of family money without a murder, a conviction of the
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: company which.
• 34:38
  Speaker 9: Is rock boll how can you not bring that? How
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: come the courts it's saying that you can't bring that
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: out once again? You know, that's just that's just mind
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: Bobby just blowing my mind right there that this is
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: their law, and they saying that you have to have
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: an underline felony in order to tie it. In order
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: for it to be felony murdered, they need to do that.
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: The felony have to go with that, the underlying have
• 35:15
  Speaker 9: to go with that. So again, how could they not
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: charge you for for that? Well, they didn't charge you
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: for that, but how can they not let you defend
• 35:31
  Speaker 9: against something that you you know that they're saying that
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: you did by the word of mouth. They just mentioned
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: the word robbery. So oh so now we're gonna throw
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: robbery off in there. How can that you? I mean, like,
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: come on, Colorado, let's make it make sense.
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: It don't make sense. Again, I was trying by Julie
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: of twelve. I was never charged of trying un convicted
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: of a selny, which is required for seven murders. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: like I said, when I was going through twelve, Uh
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: for the dam a prosecutor with minching, but uh, agnivotal robbery.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: But they're gonna prove aggregated robiley. But again they never
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: charged me with any robbery.
• 36:28
  Speaker 10: Uh.
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: When when they passed out to Julie instructures. The Juilli
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: instructure have the instruction of a simple robbery, so that
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: would be two different robberies. But they're mentioning in my
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: priv at this time.
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: Well again, uh, they.
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: Give a vertic time for murder.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: They gave me a vertet time.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: They give a vertic time for murder in the first degree.
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: They are still give a vertet time for seveny murder,
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: but they never gave a seven They never gave a
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: vertic time for a robbery because it was never charged.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Now they charged me with the murder and everything, and
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: they had a mother confident. But all I'm asking the
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: court here is how do I how am I to
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: get through this fellow murdered when again, uh, none of
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: these none of these laws or ruseless problems. But again
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: they never addressed my issues. They only go around it
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: to say, but oh, it should have been brought up here.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Your procedure to borrow your your case is successive because
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: it should have been brought up before. So they never
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: answered none of my emotions or petitions that I petitioned
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: the court.
• 37:45
  Speaker 13: So it's been a back and forth.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: I've been in my Felli found I see I've already
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: went up finally to the United States District Court, and
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: they said if they can't address my issue because they
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: wouldn't have exacted and uh, state courts. And this is
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: what I've been dealing with throughout this time. Uh you know,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: I went back and forth with these crips. So pretty
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: much they're treating me as I as I know, professional
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: attorney and telling me that they're not going to hear
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: my case.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah. And also and also I was looking at your
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: your charging documents. I was looking at the the the
• 38:36
  Speaker 9: verdict forms, I was looking at the jury instructions and stuff,
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: and I noticed that in the jury instruction for robbery,
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: it doesn't have the victims name in it, and it
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: has the witness name in it. The judge gave uh
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: an instruction on robbery with the witness name in it.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: And on the charging document right here you it has
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: the the victim name in it. But on in the
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: journey struck instruction that the judge gave, it had the
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: witness name in it. And when the witness was on
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: the stage, the witness said, Ryan Johnson did not rob me, right.
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: So how is that?
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: How?
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: Now?
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: You know, It's just like I still I still don't understand.
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: I still don't understand did you exalt? We have a question,
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: did you exalt all your pills?
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: Right now? I mean right now?
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: And the suplice court, h I have I have a
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: district courts court did not double jeopardy because I've seen
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: a double jeopardy plan. So I'm a court right now
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: waiting on a decision.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: Okay, okay, So you know, it's just like it just
• 40:42
  Speaker 9: blow it just blows my mind that you have all
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: these wrongful conviction men and women serving time on wrongful
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: con wrongful convictions, you know, bens By, just by a
• 41:02
  Speaker 9: word of mouth because somebody making up stories. Are you know,
• 41:08
  Speaker 9: the the d A or the prosecutors just wanna just
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: you know, just just want to win a case or
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: whatever they're doing. And it just it just blows my
• 41:23
  Speaker 9: mind that you can actually take away somebody freedom for
• 41:28
  Speaker 9: something they didn't do.
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: An halifaction il a factur my caser there I have
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: case roll uh cases has been overturned due to the
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: fact that the predicure defense was overturned. Uh. One question
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: that I had he was uh uh putting it of
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: the predicate offense, but he was still convicted of for
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: the charge. But when do you want to the Supreme Court,
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: the Supreme Court because there is no predicate offense.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: Okay, but okay, so the Supreme Court. Now you said
• 42:16
  Speaker 9: they overturned his case because it wasn't no predicatere offense, right,
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: so you I mean, you don't. But what they charge
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: you doesn't the crime that they have you in there
• 42:32
  Speaker 9: on the what the charges they have you in there
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: on you it's not a predicative offense. You didn't get
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: the chance to defend against the robbery charge. No, no,
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: And you know again with your charging documents, I'm gonna
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: just show this as you can see, this is the
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: charging document and you can see the chargings, the charges
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: on their and it's not it's nothing on their pertaining
• 43:12
  Speaker 9: to robbery. Those are two charging documents. That's the charges
• 43:20
  Speaker 9: that he was charged with. Well, thank you one for
• 43:27
  Speaker 9: sharing some of your story with us on this evening.
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: I would like for you to come back again and
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: sit with me and talk with me and stuff and
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: things and stuff. We're where, we're not nervous. This is
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: the first time that.
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: I was.
• 43:51
  Speaker 9: I spoke out against something. I always was a listener,
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: I never was a talker. I just sat back and
• 44:03
  Speaker 9: I just listened. But things like this, it needs a voice.
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: We have men and women that's incarcerated that doesn't have
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: a voice. But what I mean that don't have a voice,
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: that don't have family members or anyone that can speak
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: out on their behalf. And this is the reason for
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: this platform. If you know someone, are you just want
• 44:35
  Speaker 9: to come in and sit down and talk to me,
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: call me, you know, I would love to have you.
• 44:41
  Speaker 9: We need to stand up against this people that the
• 44:47
  Speaker 9: officers are getting away with killing people every day and
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: they have body camera to see it. Just in Denver
• 45:00
  Speaker 9: last month, the verdict came back when they killed this
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: young African American man, Elijah. I want to say about
• 45:11
  Speaker 9: two a year or two ago.
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: One and.
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: Two of the officers was found uh was acquitted and
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: one officer, one officer was found guilty. You know what
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: his sentence was. He's out with a with an anklet
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: on his wrist, on his leg. Six months, six months probation,
• 45:46
  Speaker 9: six months probation. Here you is, you have men and
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: women behind the wall behind that's locked up with and
• 46:00
  Speaker 9: when they don't have they didn't commit these crimes. When
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: are we gonna stand up and say enough is enough?
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: When are we gonna use our voice for something positive
• 46:15
  Speaker 9: instead of talking about people using our tongue going Because
• 46:21
  Speaker 9: your tongue is the most deadly thing on your body.
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: We can either use it to speak life or we
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: can speak death. And I'm gonna use minds to speak
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: life into someone. I thank you guys for joining me
• 46:39
  Speaker 9: on today and let me talk, letting you know, get
• 46:45
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• 46:48
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• 46:52
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• 47:11
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• 47:16
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• 47:19
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  Speaker 7: Justice and purpose, change in the room. Wait in the silence,
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