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Starting Over In Your 30s, Setting Boundaries, and Business Breakups | Capítulo 279 · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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  Speaker 1: As latinas and creating businesses that are like Latina specific.
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  Speaker 1: If and when we are creating things that are specifically
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  Speaker 1: like Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then
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  Speaker 1: like putting ourselves into a funnel? And do we then
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  Speaker 1: sort of create like the possibility for limitations for ourselves,
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  Speaker 1: knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
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  Speaker 1: what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
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  Speaker 1: latinatm you know, does it do us some sort of
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  Speaker 1: a disservice down the road, because are we like too niche?
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  Speaker 1: You know? And then does that then kind of make
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  Speaker 1: us feel like there's only ten opportunities for Latina specific things,
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  Speaker 1: but there's forty of us, you know, and so we
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  Speaker 1: are competing for the same ten spots. And is that
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  Speaker 1: like a real limitation or is it imagined?
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  Speaker 2: O la la loka motes, I'm diosa.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm Mala. We are Loca Tora radio, a radiophonic novella,
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  Speaker 1: which is just.
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  Speaker 3: An extra way of saying a podcast. We are back
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  Speaker 3: in studio today with one of our favorite segments. But
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  Speaker 3: before we get into it, I want to ask you, Mala,
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  Speaker 3: how are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing so well, Yasa, thank you. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well too.
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  Speaker 3: I just got back from a trip, so I'm feeling refreshed, rejuvenated, relaxed,
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  Speaker 3: all the ways that I feel when I come back
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  Speaker 3: from Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were in a couple different places in Mexico, right.
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  Speaker 2: I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 2: I went to started in Mexico City.
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  Speaker 3: That was like our quote home base, because that's where
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  Speaker 3: fitting on my husband's my partners.
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  Speaker 2: I hate saying.
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  Speaker 1: Husband except Clockett that. We got a comment on our
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  Speaker 1: episode with Vicki, and this woman writes, I will not
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  Speaker 1: be taking it from a panel of unmarried women, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, at theosa is happily married, honey.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will claim the husband when I need to, Yes,
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  Speaker 3: in those moments, Yes, But I wanted to respond to
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  Speaker 3: that comment and say, you know, I married, Mala's partnered, vicious,
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  Speaker 3: currently single. I think that's a fabulous points of view
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  Speaker 3: to get from a panel of women.
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  Speaker 1: The full range, the full range. You're so right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know when people comment things like that,
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  Speaker 3: they're not actually commenting because they want to learn or
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  Speaker 3: have a productive conversation.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they're just trying to hate.
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  Speaker 1: It's so true. Yeah, it was very clear. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: then I looked at her profile and it said like blogger, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I saw no such blog. Where is the blog
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  Speaker 1: the work? Where's the work? Yeah? But no, I think
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  Speaker 1: I like your perspective. You should weaponize your matrimony when
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  Speaker 1: it suits you. Yes, I will, good, I.
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  Speaker 2: Will do it in those moments.
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  Speaker 3: I do that when I'm alone and someone like a
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  Speaker 3: man will talk to me and like, oh, my young
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  Speaker 3: waiting for my husband, right, you know, which all women do,
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  Speaker 3: whether they're partnered or not.
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  Speaker 2: Of course two men, it's like this is my out.
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  Speaker 2: There's a man waiting for me, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's the only thing they respect, I know.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes like I've had that experience where someone will
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  Speaker 1: ask are you married? Yes, yes I am.
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  Speaker 2: I am married.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. It's the only answer that is going to make
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  Speaker 1: you leave me alone.
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  Speaker 2: Literally. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well all that to say, briefly, we were in Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we were happily married in Mexico.
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  Speaker 3: Hapily married in Mexico. We were in Mexico. We were
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico City. We stay with his family when we visit,
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  Speaker 3: and then we like popped over to different states or cities.
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  Speaker 3: We were in, and then we were in Thasco, which
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  Speaker 3: is in the state of Guerrero, and it was lovely.
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  Speaker 3: Thascal Is was a mining town. There're no for their
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  Speaker 3: production of silver. Sonando was shopping, bought practically brought all
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  Speaker 3: of fascal back with him amazing, bought lots of jewelry.
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  Speaker 3: And then Puebla was I mean for its historical, for
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  Speaker 3: its history right as being like the Battle of Puebla,
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  Speaker 3: which is where some people knew I know our listeners know,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, it's how we got Like the Cinco
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  Speaker 3: de Mayo celebration was because of the Battle of Buebla
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  Speaker 3: against the French, and so we were there and it
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  Speaker 3: was lovely.
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  Speaker 2: The food is so good in Puebla.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the food is great everywhere in Mexico, but
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  Speaker 3: it's really fun to visit different parts and taste like
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  Speaker 3: all the different regional dishes. That's one of my favorite
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  Speaker 3: parts of traveling, of course, the food, but also you
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  Speaker 3: know how each state or each little pueblo does something,
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  Speaker 3: does it differently?
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  Speaker 1: You posted as yes, I've never heard of that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, So in Tasco there is a mole rosa.
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  Speaker 2: Did I was so curious, like what's the base. So
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  Speaker 2: it is a beat base.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's still on the sweet side.
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  Speaker 2: It's not spicy at all. But I had like.
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  Speaker 3: And it was delicious, and I'm surprised it hasn't really
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  Speaker 3: taken off here the molerosa just because of like you know,
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  Speaker 3: the quote aesthetic of it. It's you know, it's pink, but.
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  Speaker 2: It was it was delicious.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I think you're calling it now, am That's
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  Speaker 1: going to be the next food wave. Bria had its
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  Speaker 1: moments is the next thing it is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you heard it here, first heard it here.
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  Speaker 1: First. I'm curious, did you buy silver jewelry because you're
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  Speaker 1: famously a gold girl.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I am.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 3: I bought tiny little hoops like that I can put
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  Speaker 3: on my second piercing because I always lose the ones
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  Speaker 3: that are go on the second. So I was like,
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  Speaker 3: let me buy because silver is a little more affordable
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  Speaker 3: than gold, So I bought a couple like little small
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  Speaker 3: pieces just so that I can have in the rotation,
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  Speaker 3: because as much as I love gold, it's not as
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  Speaker 3: accessible for me to buy constantly, right you know. So
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  Speaker 3: I do have like my quality gold pieces. I have
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  Speaker 3: like quite a few, like gold plated pieces, and so
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  Speaker 3: right now I am kind of in that energy mindset
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  Speaker 3: of like, okay, well, silver's a little bit more in
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  Speaker 3: the budget if it's quality, like and I like it,
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  Speaker 3: like I'm going to buy it. So I have been
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  Speaker 3: expanding my silver collection a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And mixed metals are very in.
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  Speaker 2: It is, it is very in. So I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: like get on that as well as the mixed metal.
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  Speaker 2: I love, Yeah, I love.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you had fun. That was great. I
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  Speaker 1: love keeping up with your posts. Whenever you travel, you
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  Speaker 1: have very aesthetic carousels.
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  Speaker 2: I try.
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  Speaker 3: You do a great travel, A lot of a lot
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  Speaker 3: of thought that goes into it.
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  Speaker 1: It seems very effortless. I want to ye.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm like, let me give a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: everything that we do.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the culture, the museums, the books that I
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  Speaker 3: come across, the food, the drinks, the beautiful baisahe you know,
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  Speaker 3: let me capture all of that.
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  Speaker 2: That's like what I think about when I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: post a carousel fabulous.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're so happy to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Back, I thinks, girl, and happy to be back.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And we have a very fun episode planned for today.
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  Speaker 2: We do.
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  Speaker 3: We're bringing back our beloved segment of O Lokas where
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  Speaker 3: we answer listener questions, and our first question is so
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  Speaker 3: funny and unseerious that I want us to start with it.
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  Speaker 3: I love this question, what's a hill you'll die on?
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  Speaker 3: And that's completely unseerious.
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  Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with this question. What's what's your hills that
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  Speaker 1: you would die on? That's completely unseerious.
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  Speaker 2: That's so hard because I'm such a serious person.
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  Speaker 3: That's this question dumbfounded me in a way because I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 3: there's so many hills that I would die on that
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  Speaker 3: are so serious. Sure, so I have to think about
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  Speaker 3: an unseerious one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me let me think about it
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  Speaker 2: some more. Okay, I have mine, what's yours?
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  Speaker 1: I have mine. I cannot stand when people crack an
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  Speaker 1: egg and get rid of the yolk and cook only
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  Speaker 1: the egg white. Okay, let me tell you why. Number One,
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  Speaker 1: The yolk is where all of the flavor is, and
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  Speaker 1: I feel like you are only getting like less than
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent of the egg that you bought. You have
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  Speaker 1: to crack so many eggs to make one egg white omelet,
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  Speaker 1: and you're throwing away the nucleus of the egg. And
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  Speaker 1: it's so wasteful, and if it's flavorless, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: the and I understand there's protein in the egg white.
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  Speaker 1: I understand the cholesterol in the yolk. I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. I get it. But they make like
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  Speaker 1: egg white cartons that you can buy at the store.
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  Speaker 1: If you want nothing but egg whites, get the carton.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: And then you don't have to waste fifty percent, sixty
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  Speaker 1: to seventy five percent of your egg. Yeah, like my
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  Speaker 1: partner does it. Like I will make hard boiled eggs.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is because of him. I will make
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  Speaker 1: hard boiled eggs, and he will leave the yolk. I
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  Speaker 1: eat all of the yolks. I will eat all of
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  Speaker 1: his yolks. I refuse the waste. It is like an
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  Speaker 1: abomination to me. It is against God. I can't stand it.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't. And then and then when I see
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  Speaker 1: recipes online and they're you know, they're getting red. Separate
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  Speaker 1: the yolks, separate the yolk. No, don't separate the yolk.
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  Speaker 1: Don't separate the yolk. Just get a carton of nothing
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  Speaker 1: but egg whites. I agree with you because you already
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  Speaker 1: know your you only want the egg whites. You already
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  Speaker 1: know that, so so skip, skip the whole egg. Don't
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  Speaker 1: even touch the egg. Leave the egg alone, leave the
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  Speaker 1: egg for me, and go get a carton of egg whites.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you, especially with egg prices. I'm like, we
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  Speaker 3: cannot be wasting a whole egg.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, people are dying. Yeah, we have to
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  Speaker 1: eat the whole egg. If you're gonna buy it, eat
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  Speaker 1: the egg. Going to the farmer's market and buying a
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  Speaker 1: dozen mixed eggs and then only eating the whites a sin.
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  Speaker 1: So that's mine.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you feel better?
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  Speaker 1: That's been weighing on me. I feel so much better.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for that question.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, while you were talking about eggs, I thought about
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  Speaker 3: my unserious hill that I'm willing to die on. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to say it in a way that
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  Speaker 3: does not allow me to go on a tangent of why,
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  Speaker 3: in a way that'll make it more serious.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Please, I love a good tangent oka, especially for me. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's hear it.
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  Speaker 2: But I want to keep it. I want to keep
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  Speaker 2: it light and funny.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So it really grinds my gears when people are
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  Speaker 3: referring to music in Spanish as Spanish music. For example,
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  Speaker 3: for example, I'm talking about bad Money, I'm talking about
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  Speaker 3: sin Bandera, I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Any of the artists that I enjoy listening to.
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  Speaker 3: And someone says, oh, I don't really listen to Spanish music,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like me either. I also don't listen to
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  Speaker 3: Spanish music unless you're thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Right, a specific artist.
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  Speaker 3: Correct, But just because it's in Spanish does not make
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  Speaker 3: it Spanish music unless it's from the region of Spain.
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  Speaker 3: Unless it's a Spanish artist from Spain or from a
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  Speaker 3: diaspora that is Spanish, it's not Spanish music. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's music in Spanish, and that grinds my gears.
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  Speaker 1: People do the same thing. They'll say Spanish food, yes,
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  Speaker 1: Spanish people no, But they're not talking about Spain. They're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the food and people of Latin America.
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  Speaker 3: But you see why this could go in a serious direction, right,
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  Speaker 3: But I'm going to keep it light and I'm just
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  Speaker 3: going to say, grinds my gears. Don't do it be specific.
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  Speaker 3: Is it music in Spanish or is it Spanish music.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could get real specific. Is it Colombian music,
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  Speaker 1: is it Peruvian music? Is it Mexican music, is it
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  Speaker 1: Puerto Rican music?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, but if it is in the Spanish language, it
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  Speaker 3: is music in Spanish.
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  Speaker 2: And that is a hill that I'm willing to die on.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good hill. There we go. You're teaching the people.
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  Speaker 1: I think you're teaching the people I feel like some
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  Speaker 1: of and this sometimes I think Latinos all like do that.
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  Speaker 1: Latinos are guilty of this. And I noticed I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of New Yorkers do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have heard that. I mean I have not
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  Speaker 2: been around East Coasters the way you have they do that,
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  Speaker 2: but I've heard that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, New Yorkers will refer to Spanish people, Spanish food,
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  Speaker 1: Spanish music when they're talking about Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans.
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  Speaker 1: But it's like Spanish is the stand.
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  Speaker 2: In because of the language, because of the language.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I get and I get that, no
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  Speaker 3: shade to that, no shade. I'm I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: very specific about my annoyance of music specifically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you also have a beautiful command of grammar.
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  Speaker 2: I try that.
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  Speaker 1: Not all people have this is fair. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 1: think that in your speaking you you are very precise
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  Speaker 1: and specific.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah it's annoying, it's good, but yeah, yeah it is good.
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  Speaker 1: It is good. Yeah, be better, do better, stop upsetting
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  Speaker 1: my friend.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, this next question is lovely. This person is asking
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  Speaker 3: how to overcome the scaries of starting over in your thirties.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. I see this a lot online where people are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people are on this journey of pivoting
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  Speaker 1: starting over, starting something new in your thirties, whether that's
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  Speaker 1: like a new hobby or a new career, a new degree,
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  Speaker 1: just like a new way of living or moving. And
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  Speaker 1: I think it's a beautiful thing because when you're in
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  Speaker 1: your thirties, I feel this sense of security in Myselfeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is like, oh no, I shouldn't be afraid to
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  Speaker 1: start something new, Like I can have a grasp on myself.
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  Speaker 1: I can do this without losing who I am in
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  Speaker 1: the process. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think something that I've really been sitting
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  Speaker 3: with is like time is going to pass anyway, So
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  Speaker 3: whether you do or don't do the thing, whatever that
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  Speaker 3: may be, the time will continue to pass. So like
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  Speaker 3: the thing you said you were going to do, at
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  Speaker 3: the top of the year, whether you do it or not,
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  Speaker 3: the calendar year is going to end.
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  Speaker 2: I've really been sitting with.
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  Speaker 3: That type of energy and wisdom that you know we're
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  Speaker 3: starting August, when by the time you listen, it'll be
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  Speaker 3: like halfway through August, and it's like the years flying by.
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  Speaker 3: And I think as we get older, we realize, wow,
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  Speaker 3: the years really do fly by, and the time will pass,
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  Speaker 3: and so make the most of the time that you
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  Speaker 3: do have. And if that means like pivoting, if that
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  Speaker 3: means starting over, I don't know exactly, like what is
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  Speaker 3: driving this question, whether it's like starting in your relationship,
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  Speaker 3: ending a relationship, moving a career pivot. But I think
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  Speaker 3: that energy of time will pass anyway, So just do
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  Speaker 3: the thing you want to do, you know, whatever that
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  Speaker 3: might be.
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  Speaker 1: I think what's scarier than starting over in your thirties.
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  Speaker 4: Don't go anywhere, lokomotives, I'll be right back.
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  Speaker 1: The scarier thing is living with regrets, is having like
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  Speaker 1: those thoughts that you didn't try, you didn't give it
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  Speaker 1: a chance, you didn't give yourself a chance. I can
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  Speaker 1: only imagine being a woman in my sixties and seventies
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  Speaker 1: and thinking oh my god, I didn't try it when
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  Speaker 1: I could have. I think that's much scarier than taking
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  Speaker 1: the leap and trying the thing, So like, why not
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  Speaker 1: why not take a crazy chance, you know, why not
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  Speaker 1: do a crazy dance? Why not make that up? Credit
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  Speaker 1: to Lizzy Maguire of course, where all of my great
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  Speaker 1: ideas come from. Yeah, I think. And speaking of which,
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Duff is having a resurgence. Yes, she's like come
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  Speaker 1: out of her I don't think she was retired. She
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  Speaker 1: was just maybe resting or I think we calibrating.
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  Speaker 2: She was focusing on acting right.
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  Speaker 3: And she's also a mother, yes, and I think in
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  Speaker 3: one of her interviews she talked about like realizing how
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  Speaker 3: I think specifically the role of mother like could envelop
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  Speaker 3: all of her other identities and like using that as
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  Speaker 3: like really seizing that and thinking, Okay, this is my
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  Speaker 3: chance to get back into music. And she started with
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  Speaker 3: a small tour, very small theaters.
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  Speaker 2: Sold out. Yeah, everyone wanted to go viral.
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  Speaker 3: And so now she's having an even bigger tour, bigger venues,
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  Speaker 3: you know, which I think is so exciting.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I love that for her. And she's like weightlifting
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  Speaker 1: and she's getting press and like choreography that people used
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  Speaker 1: to make fun of her for, like everybody is doing
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  Speaker 1: and it's super viral right now, So I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like oddly perfect, you know, I think she's she's Here's
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  Speaker 1: the other thing too, about this idea of starting over
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  Speaker 1: once you're in your thirties, Like your foundation is there.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You know what you've done and what you've experienced, and
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: the life you've lived is behind you. It's underneath you,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and you're building on it. It's I don't know if
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I even would think of I don't, like you said, Yosa,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what this person, this listener who submitted
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the question what life changes they're going through. But I
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: think that unless you are completely like changing your identity
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and disconnecting from everything and everyone you've ever known, like,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you're probably not necessarily starting from the ground up, but
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you're probably just building and growing based on what you've
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: already done, which is a beautiful thing actually, So don't
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: be afraid of like just growing. I think it's good.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is good. Yeah, And I agree with you.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Ideally you're not on the round floor anymore. You're a
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: little higher up, you know, whatever that may look for you,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and hopefully you have, like the support from friends, family,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a community to like also help you in whatever This
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: starting over quote starting over looks.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, so yeah, don't be afraid of starting over,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: but be afraid of regret. That's what I would say.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: I don't think we want to live a life full
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: of regrets or get to like a decade from now
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and think like I could have done this, you know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I should have done this instead.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think it's a beautiful thing to be
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: able to one day look back and say, wow, I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: did it all. I tried it all. It wasn't all
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: for me, but I gave it a shot and I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: found out on my own.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: All right, this next question, I love it. It's I
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: watched American Butchuko and was deeply moved. Thanks for the wreck.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Have you experienced art recently that has had an impact
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: on you?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: This is a great question. American Pachuco. We just did
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: a whole episode about this documentary American Pachuco, The Legend
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of Luis Feldez. Go back and listen to that episode
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: if you haven't already, and go watch the film. Have
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you experienced art recently the asa that has deeply moved you.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Art that I recently experienced that moved me was actually
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: an exhibit that I saw in Mexico City and it's
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: called Atslan to Nell del Tempo and Atslan is spelled
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: with the la the Los Angeles like capital, and it
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: is an exposition of Chicano art.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: And for me, what was so impressive and moving about.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: It is that it's at Beas artis fab, which is
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: an incredible iconic space for Mexican art in Mexico City.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: It's where our fave Juan Gavriel, you know, they had
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: an incredible performance. It's now revered his performance in Beas
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Artes Uh Diego di Veras murals are in Beas Arts.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: It's just an incredible place of like culture, art history
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: within Mexico City. And the fact that there's an exhibit
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: of Chicano art there. It's like a four room exhibit.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: It's multi media. It's the I got to see like
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a couple art pieces by j Salez, the creator of
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Itana Cirrucas.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Now, like the art was there.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: That's so cool, you know, And I thought, like, for me,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: what was so impactful is that there's obviously like a
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: lot of feelings in like the Chicano community, the Latino
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: community of like constantly feeling like maybe an insecurity or
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: like having to measure up to like a said identity.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: And we have of course this concept of nidiaki nidiya ya.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And so to see this Chicano exhibit at such an
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: important place in Mexico, for me, like combined all of that,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: it was like, here's the like the not the reprieve,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: but like the resolution to this like searching and like
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: trying to find like where do we fit in as
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a community, and where do I fit in if I'm
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: like not from here and not from there. And then
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: to see it all come together in this exhibit for
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: me was so moving, and especially because there was so
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: much emphasis on la art and like la Chicanos who
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: were making art in the seventies in the eighties, there
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: was a timeline of like the migration to Mexico and
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: of course acknowledging that California was once Mexico and the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Treaty of Walla Lupe Ago, and there was even mention of.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: The zootsuit riots.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: Like to see this whole timeline of our history as
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: either Mexicans or Chicano's in Los Angeles specifically in bas Artis,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: I thought was so cool and I was just deeply
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: moved by all of it. And one of the sponsors
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of this event was Ultimate, and it just.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Was like, what just so fat, It's just so wild.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like someone visiting mex who visits Mexico
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: City often. Of course, I'm from La I knew some
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: of the artists that were I've followed some of the
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: artists whose work was displayed, and so it just felt
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: like this really beautiful bridge that I got to experience.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: That's so dope, and it's you know, bas Artis is
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: the Fine Art Museum, It's the pinnacle of fine art
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: in Mexico City. And I think like, at the same time,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: there's a Mexican American Cinema exhibit at the Academy Museum
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: that's going on. So it's like the Academy Museum is
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: recognizing our filmmaking. Bais Artis in Mexico City is recognizing
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: our art we've made it folks. Like I think as
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: much as we are justified in wanting more and advocating
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for more, I think that it's important to recognize when
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: we're being recognized and say, like yeah. You know, back
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: home in the Motherland, they are celebrating us and embracing us,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: and here Stateside we are being celebrated and embraced in
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: certain ways in certain pockets. I mean, there's so much
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: work to be done, but we have to celebrate our
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: victories when they happen. And I think that's huge.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this felt like one of those victories.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: This felt like, yeah, just so for me gratifying as
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: a lover of art. And I can only imagine, like
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the what the artists whose art was being exhibited, like
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: what they were experiencing and what they were feeling to
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know that their art was that baas.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Artis Yeah, and some artists who it sounds like, uh,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: this is art that's spanning decades. Yes, And you never know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: like what you make today, how it might reverberate decades later.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: And some of our most prominent artists I think, don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: get their flowers until way down the line. That's also
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: so much of creativity and art making is you might
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: be greatly underappreciated in your time. So true, but you
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: just have to keep going. Yeah, she said to herself.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like safe.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I know, we say to ourselves we keep going. We
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: just keep going.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: How about you, Mela, is there art that you recently
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: experienced or seen that has impacted you?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Yes? Okay, So one of my favorite things about La
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: in the summer is all of the outdoor music. Yes,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: so jazz at Lacma Grand Performances. There's salsa also downtown
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: all summer long, at La Plasa and at Jerry Moss Plaza,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: like it's everywhere. Like La is just activated with music
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and dancing, and I live for it. So I recently
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: went to Grand Performances and they were doing Roy Ayers tribute.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Roy Ayers was born and raised in La He went
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: to Jefferson High School, and he is considered like the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: most sampled artist in hip hop. So he was a
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: producer and a musician, and he made music that has
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: just basically like provided a foundation for hip hop. So
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: like Black Star and Jay Dilla and Erica Badu and
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Kanye West. The list is very long of artists who
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: have sampled his work. So you all might be most
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: familiar with that song Everybody Loves the Sunshine. And there
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: was an incredible twelve piece band with vocalists that performed
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: his repertoire and they did a little remixing and took
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: us on a musical journey, and it was incredible because
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: you can hear how he took jazz and I love jazz,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a big jazz fan, and how he took jazz
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and made it funky, and you can really hear when
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you're listening to the compositions, you can hear that foundation
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: for hip hop and the foundation for things like house
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: and EEDM. So it was just cool to like, oh,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: this is like original, this is origins, this is going
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: back in time to like the creativity and the sounds
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: that really define the music that we listen to and
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: love today. And people are dancing and people are vibing
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: out and the singers were so incredible, and me and
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: my partner went and he loved it, and I was
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: so happy that he got to experience that because I've
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: been trying to get him to come to these outdoor
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: concerts all summer and finally we went to one and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it was just great. It was great, and it just like,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know something about live music and a live band,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: especially in an outdoor setting. There's just something about it
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: that just is really fulfilling. And it just sounded very
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: la it felt very La and I like when you
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: have those moments where it's like a truly, truly, truly
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles creative experience, right, it's like there's nothing like it.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I very much feel like live music, whether
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: indoor or outdoor, is such a spiritual experience. Especially as
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: someone who does not go to church anymore. I'm like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: this is the beauty of like you're in a congregation essentially,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: like as concertgoers, as people supporting the arts, to experience
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: the energy behind like the music, and to feel it
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: in your body so much that you move right, it's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: making you move, it's making you dance. There's something so
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: spiritual about it that I very much enjoy the live
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: music experience. And there is definitely like so much beauty
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to it when it's in La in the summer because
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: everyone it's just activated in such this beautiful way. And
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I will say post World Cup, like I think a
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: lot of us went through like some blues, you know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: like there was so much to do that whole month,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Like everywhere you looked, it was activated. And then there's
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: like a little bit of like a wampwomp, like a
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: down like a down, like a downward like turn yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: and so, but also keeping in mind like there's still
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: programming happening. Oh yeah, there's still so much to do
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: in La for free in the summer.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, checkout Jazz at Lakhma. Checkout Grand Performances. There's a
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Richie Forever night that's coming up at Grand Performances. Yes,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: so it's going to be a richievalance tribute. I'm so excited, amazing. Yes, yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: checkout Salsa Laplasa and Jerry Moss Plaza. I mean there's
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: no shortage really.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: No, And I'm actually heading to the Music Center.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: They're having this proof be in Gumbia band called Los
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Mirlos on August fifteenth, and Los Mirlos like blew up globally.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I mean they've been known globally, but they received i think,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: like global recognition because they were the first Peruvian band
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to perform at Coachella last year. And so they're a
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Cumbia band, Like they're the Kumbia band that like your
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: parents listen to, you know, your grandparents listen to, the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: theos listen to. And so they've been going on like
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: worldwide tours and they're going to be here in La
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: and the Music Centers hosting them, and it's a free
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: concert and I will definitely be there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it'd be great, so fun. Where else,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: even in front of City Hall, there's Sunday sessions Every
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Sunday there's live music or DJ at least in dancing
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: at Gloria Molina Grand Park. And then there's the CACRW
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: summer nights, and there's stuff in Chinatown like go to everything,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: go to everything, enjoy La get out and enjoy the city.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and take public transpert if you can.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It's it's better, it's better, it's better.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So this question is about boundaries. What do healthy boundaries
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: look like across all your relationships?
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't know, I don't know.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't like summarize what they look like across
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: all my relationships because they feel so contingent on who
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the person is and like what their relationship relation.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: To me is, you know.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like the boundaries I have with my dad
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: are very gonna look so much different than the boundaries
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I have with my mom, which I'm still working on
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: there probably they've been like very few boundaries that I've
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: had with my mom. Where as I've gotten older, I've
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: had to learn like to place boundaries. And it's okay
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: to have boundaries with your with your mother, with your parents,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: but they look different with each parent.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: For me, don't go anywhere, locomotives will be right back,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: So I couldn't say like that I do ble things
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: with them, you know what I mean?
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely uh, person by person, and it's situational
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: because also, like you know, maybe there's maybe there's a
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: firm boundary one day, but then this person might need
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: more from you, you know. And so I'm in this
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: place with a family member where like this person needs
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: more and I want to give more. And so this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: idea of boundaries is kind of like irrelevant now, you know,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: because there's just a there's more important things in this
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: particular relationship absolutely than like my personal boundaries, you know.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And so I think that with like work and with
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: like strangers, right with maybe dynamics that are not fully relationships,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that it's really healthy to protect
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: yourself and have been boundaries and I'm not going to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: let people talk to me a certain way or push
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: me around or like encroach on my personal space. Like
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: it's all about self preservation in those instances absolutely and
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: not being afraid to like speak up for yourself and
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: stand up for yourself. And it was my grandma's ninety
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: second birthday this weekend, and after we saying happy birthday
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: to her, we asked her, like if she had words
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: for us, and she said, never let anyone humiliate you.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And she was talking about her own experience, like being
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: an immigrant who came here when she was like fourteen fifteen,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and she went from like you know, living with her
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: family and going to school to like working for a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: family in their home, you know, and doing like domestic
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: labor sort of work at a very young age. And
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: how a dynamic like that for a young woman I
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: think can set you up for abuse and humiliation. And
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: so one of her takeaways from just her life is
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: don't let anyone humiliate you. And to me, that's like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: such a word you know about about setting boundaries and
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: protecting yourself. And I think it's also situational, right, like
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: who you're dealing with and how they're dealing with you.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I love that piece of advice.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, as women and especially like
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: as latinas, like there's so much cultural messaging we are
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: not taught to have boundaries, so even a lot of
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: us don't cultivate them until you know, we're in our
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: twenties or thirties or.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Maybe even never or maybe never, you know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And the reason I share the gender piece is because
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you know, my partner fedanand Tho, like he has very
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: firm boundaries, and there's in some ways like I really
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: admire his the way that he has really firm boundaries,
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Like if he doesn't want to go somewhere, he.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Will not go.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: Sure, right, if he does not want to do something,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: he will not do it. You cannot pressure him to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: do it. Now, there's of course a give and take
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: of like, hey, this thing is really important to me,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you know, or I want to go to this thing
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: for this reason, or I just want to go of course,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: like we have that conversation. But if I'm asking him
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: to attend something that I don't even really want to
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: go to, but I'm going out of Gombromiso, out of
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: family obligation, He's not going to go to that because
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to because his boundaries are I will
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: not be in a place where I'm kind of unwelcomed
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: or I feel bad vibes. So I'm going to remove myself,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and I think for me that has really taught me
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: a lot. But the reason I bring up the gender
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: piece is that it's very easy for men to remove themselves.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: It's very easy for men to say I don't want
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: to do that, and nobody questions it, and nobody says,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: oh wow, look at this. You know, bad daughter or
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: bad woman, right, who's not showing up? And so it's
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: definitely not that black and white in our culture, in
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: our community and as women. But I will say, like,
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I have learned a little bit more about boundary setting
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: from him, and like have learned to apply it in
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: ways that make sense for me, for my life, for
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: my relationships. But yeah, men, I mean men get to
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: get away with not doing a lot.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me of my dad. It's like, no,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not going, I don't want to. And we're as
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: like with my mom or yeah with me, with me too,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know I should, or this is
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: how we can make it happen, or this is how
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: we can accommodate. We'll figure it out. Saving face representing
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: what will they say? What is the message.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Women are nuanced?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Queens.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, Whereas this is of course in general statement, but
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: in my experience, men are able to just very much look.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: At things as very black and white.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: This is not to say men don't have nuance or whatever,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: but it's like, in my experience, it's the women who
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: are asking those questions.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, And then there's also something about like there's also
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like a dignity pride piece, Like, Okay, let's say in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: an instance where I know it's a sticky situation. I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: know I'm not completely welcome here, I know that I'm
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: not one hundred percent embraced in this space. There's something
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: about showing up anyways, you know, and looking amazing, right,
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and so what I'm here and now you're going to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: deal with me, right, there's also kind of a fighting
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: spirit in that. So I don't know, there's a again,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it's situational.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: It is situational.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: It's so hard, and there's all these family dynamics at
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: play in everyone's family's right, and so it's hard to
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: say like what boundaries look like across all relationships, but
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I do think that's important to have boundaries, right, it
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: is whatever that may look like for you and for
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: each relationship, that you have.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, great question, Thank you.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Great question.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: So our last question is not really a question, right,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: This one's juicy that it's an email. So if I may,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I'm going to pull up this email from a listener
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: and she shares her experience with us, And because there's
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: no question, I think what she wants from us is
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: to one acknowledge this phenomenon that she's describing, and two
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: wants us.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: To discuss it. Yes, yes, So this is what she says.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Hey, malandiosa love Q And as I'm coming out of
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: an eight year business breakup, gonna meiga all my professional career,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I've been guarded from white men, only to find out
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: the ones who have hurt me the most are the
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Latina CEOs and directors. I have so many friends with
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: bosses that are women of color, and we swear they're
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: white men in disguise. It feels like a double grief
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: for the career path you thought you were creating for
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: yourself and all that comes with it being done by
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: another woman of color. Gladoque Latina power all day. Also,
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: how do we acknowledge the lateral violence? Someone taught me
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: that term recently and it felt validating lateral violence. The
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: decolonization and healing still needed in our community because so
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: many are running on survival scarcity mindsets and that's what
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: creates these types of CEOs.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, rant done, cabriasos.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Great, Rant great great. And this reminds me of a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: scene in Real Women Have Curves where America Frere's character
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Anna and her sister Estella, you know, they work in
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a sweatshop and they sow gowns that they then sell
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: to Bloomingdale's and it's a sweatshop because they're barely getting
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: paid anything. It's horrific conditions that they're working in. And
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: it turns out that the CEO that they are reporting
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to and who is like you know, that they're completing
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: orders for, is a Latina CEO. And there's kind of
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a confrontation. There's a showdown between Anna and this Latina CEO.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And I think that in the movie they don't realize
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: she's a Latina. They assume she's a white lady. So
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Anna's character is kind of like talking about her in Spanish,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and of course the CEO is a Latina and can
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: understand everything, and so she turns around and says to
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: them like you and I are not so different. And
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I worked really hard to get to where I am,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: and I put in an order and you better fulfill it,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: and you have you have ten days ten days sister,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's like in that one scene and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in that one moment, it's these two very different but
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: kind of similar women with competing interests. And the CEO
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: has like worked her way to the top of this
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: major fashion brand and so she's trying to get her
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: job done and wear the power suit. But then you
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: have Anna and Estella who are barely making ends meet
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and who are like making the items that make this
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: woman tons of money. And that email just reminds me
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: of that of the lateral violence. You know, they're working
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: under her, they're working for her, but there's in theory
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: shared culture and language between the two of them.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I mean I think what she says is like what
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: this listener says in her email is so important about acknowledging,
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Like there's so much scarcity mindset that when even within
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: our own community one of us gets to the top
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: or there's some type of like upward mobility, that there's
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: still a type of exploitation that can happen and also
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: a type of lateral violence. And this email really makes
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: me think of what we now consider like the fall
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: of The Girl Boss, which we've talked about here on
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: LOK in so many episodes in different ways. But I
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: think what rings true about The Girl Boss and now
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: how we can look at it with this type of critique,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: is that there were women CEOs were being celebrated for
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: being groundbreakers and for being these like powerhouse CEOs and
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: raising the funds that they needed for their businesses.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Which is still true.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: However, they were then exploiting their workers, enacting like hostility
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: in the workplace.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: There was a workplace.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Violence happening, and there's now been exposes written about some
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: of these women CEOs. Are they held to a different
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: standard than all of the men who are CEOs, Absolutely,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: and that has to be stated. However, I think the
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: critique of The Girl Boss is also about how.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: These women were just in acting.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: They were acting like quote men in the sense that
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: they were violent, they were exploitative, they were still swing
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: like the patriarchy within their business practices.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: They were still exploiting.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And so that's what this makes me think of is
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: that even it goes back. I think also to this
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: idea of like representation right, Like representation isn't enough if
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: like the Latino's at the top are acting like white people,
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: like if they're you know, looking down on their community,
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: or if they're not leaving the door open, they're actually
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: being gatekeepers.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: It's like all of this like lateral violence, like she
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: mentions that can be enacted across communities.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it begs the question is it the person
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: or the position? Can there be an egalitarian CEO?
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Does the job allow for it? Is it even possible?
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And it goes all the way up to the office
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: of the president. Does the person in the position actually
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: make a big enough difference that that like one president
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: can actually uplift everybody? Or is the office itself so
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: rigid and so you know, it's it's meant to do
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: a certain thing. Yea, So it's kind of plug in play.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Does it actually matter to the people at the very
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: very bottom and the most vulnerable, Like how big of
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: a difference does the person in the position of power
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: make when the position of power is still the position?
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And I think in capitalism, the job of a CEO
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: is to make as much money as possible for the
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: company that's the job.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was going to say exactly that. Like
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: under capitalism, I don't think that there's like an egalitarian CEO.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: I think there are people who.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Try to enact better business practices, who you know, support unions,
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: who support fair wages, who are trying to minimize their
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: footprint you know, on the planet. But I think by
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: way of capitalism, it sets everyone up, you know, to exploit,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: if possible, for the bottom line.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: I think about small businesses, you know, small businesses remains small,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I think in large part because of resources and how
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: much it costs to employ someone, right, and so so
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: many small business owners end up doing everything themselves because
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to have a full time team of employees with fair
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: wages and benefits is very expensive, you know, And so
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: scale also has so much to do with like the
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: size of an like with the operation and how many
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: people are involved, and like how everything stays afloat, And
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like businesses like this, like like these girl
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: boss businesses. I think Nasty Gal was one of them, right,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that was like their CEO was being hailed at the time.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: But the bigger and bigger and bigger it gets, it's
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: like Yeah, well, now we really need to look at
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: costs over people. And I don't know what the answer is, right,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: you know, because either you keep it like small and
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: family owned and people are treated like family, or it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: huge in corporate. What is the in between?
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Oh man?
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Because even those small businesses where it's like we're family here,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, then there's also so much exploiting that can
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: happen under that guy's a family, right, because you would
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: do it for your family member, right, Like it's that
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: type of positioning of like we're here to support each
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: other because we're a family. Yes, but then there's still
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: like exploiting that can happen there.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: It happens in the nonprofit industrial complex.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: That is a whole episode within itself.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Mission driven do it for the mission, do it for
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: the cause. But no, this is a job. We all
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: have bills to pay. We each have had our own
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: experiences in that realm. Yeah, I mean yeah, it's I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: think nothing is nothing is true ethical under capitalism, and
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: it's not like an excuse, it's just an unfortunate reality. Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: It it requires like an entire paradigm shift, yes, you know,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: an entire restructuring or takedown of everything that we know
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: for something new to be created, there are That is
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: not to say though that we shouldn't try right, or
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: that we shouldn't that business owners or CEOs or folks
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: leading an organization like shouldn't try to be better or
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: enact good within their company, but acknowledging still that there
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: are under capitalism, the.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Pressure is like growth.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: And money and that that is what will always like
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: win under the system.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, we're thinking about a United States
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: context where we're discussing like latinas and positions of power.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: But then if we go to Latin America, where in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: theory everyone in a position of power is a Latin American,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: there's still exploitation. Absolutely, It's not like the demographics change
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: necessarily the unfair dynamics or the possibility of exploitation. So
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like you said, a paradigm shift
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: needs to take place.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I think, yeah, I think what this
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: listener also wants is and what can also lead to
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: change is like acknowledging that this happens right within our
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: community or even like within like letting out businesses and
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: CEOs that this happens and there is like an entire
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: like unlearning that we have to do that scarcity mindset
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: can lead us to then maybe be exploitative or harmful
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: in our work practices.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And it makes me think.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: Too about how like so much so many businesses have
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: been impacted by all the federal funds that have been
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: cut or contracts have been lost, right, and how that
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: is also contributing to some type of shift within businesses
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: who have had to downsize and have had to you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: do things differently because of lack of funding.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: And then how that then contributes to this.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Type of cycle of harm within within a workplace, even
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: like for marginalized communities.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not enough for us specifically, so I have
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: to hoard or gatekeep. I think also it's like as
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Latina's and creating businesses that are like Latina specific. If
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and when we are creating things that are specifically like
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Latina branded, Latina coded, you know, are we then like
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: putting ourselves into a funnel and do we then sort
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: of create like the post stability for limitations for ourselves,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: knowing things like DEI being under the chopping block. If
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: what we're creating is DEI like branded and specific and
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Latin ATM you know, does it do us some sort
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: of a disservice down the road, because are we like
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: too niche? You know? And then does that then kind
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: of make us feel like there's only ten opportunities for
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Latino specific things, but there's forty of us, you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: and so we are competing for the same ten spots.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: And is that like a real limitation or is it imagined?
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Is there more out there that maybe we don't necessarily
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: consider for us, Like do we sometimes limit ourselves as
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: far as like our possibilities and what we're reaching for,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: you know? And is there a way for us to
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: like expand our thinking so that we think about like
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: possibilities actually being limitless and the opportunities being abundant rather
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: than that crabs in a bucket. There's only so much,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know. I think like we
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: on the show are like also trying to find like
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: those spaces and those opportunities outside of the norm. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: it's hard, you know. I think it's like a lot
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: of searching and like instead of like fighting over one thing,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: like we have to go out and look for other things.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, or create your own opportunities whatever that may
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: look like right, there's no like that. I think that's
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: one of the challenging things for us is that there's
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: no blueprint because ask any other like podcast production company,
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: multimedia production company, they all have had a different path.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: They've all done it so differently, each one of them,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and we've done things differently, right, And so I think
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: when you are creating your own life or creating your
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: own blueprint as you go, there's so much. You learn
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: so much while you're doing it. You know then, and
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: you learn from that and continue to grow from that.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, thank you so much for this question or
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: this statement, this reflection. I think beautifully written, and it's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: something that a lot of our listeners are probably dealing
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: with and experiencing in their own world. Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate the vulnerability in this email and you
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: willing to share your experience with us. Before we sign off,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I also want to address something that she said in
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: the email, which was Latina Power.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, and we have.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Not talked about that. We've talked about it, but we
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: have not talked about it on the show. Something recently
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: that happened at a congressional hearing with Latina Power like
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: making national news.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: What is Latina Power?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: What is Latina Power?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: So I want us to briefly discuss this because it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Feels and it was like a cultural zeitguy's moment.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this happens every like ten years. It
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: feels like, but remember when Justice Sotomayor was sworn in
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: and they asked her like, what is a why is Latina?
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And that was its own like Zeitgei's making moment and
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: we're back. We are so back. What is Latina Power? Yes?
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, So for those not familiar, there is this brand.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: They're on Instagram, it's at shop j ZD and we
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: have been following them for quite some time.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: They've been creating merch.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: They have their own brand since for about ten years,
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: so about the same time we started. And what's great
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: about this brand in particular is that they're a married couple,
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: they're queer, and so they make just a lot of
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: really beautiful merch for the community but also you know,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: for queer folks within the community and abroad or more
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: broadly speaking, And they were one of the first brands,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: the first Latina brands to be included in a Target
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Pride collection and then Target received all that pushback, all
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: that flak from like conservatives about even having a pride capsule,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: and they were on the receiving end of that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: Here they are again. So much love to them.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: They have faced so much public scrutiny that's so undeserving,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: and here they are again. Because a couple of weeks ago,
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: Representative Brandon Gill was holding up pictures of their merch
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: that is at the Smithsonian gift shop. It's been there
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: four years and it's a hat that says Latina Power,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: and he was questioning the director of the Smithsonian.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: As to what is that.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: He also referred to the merch as paraphernalia, which of
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: course has a very negative connotation. You know, paraphernalia is
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: like illicit us. Yes, no, it has that connotation of
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: something that's illegal.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: You do bad things with it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: You do bad things with paraphernalia.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: So he called their merch their Latino Power merch paraphernalia.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, and it's dangerous.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: So dangerous, and you know, they were shocked and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: took it in stride. They posted about it. It felt
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: like a digital community of Latina's like rallied behind them
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: and we're showing like, well, Latina Power looks like and
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: it's all the things that we know were.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Possible we're capable of doing.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Wanted us to briefly talk about that and acknowledge that
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: that happened, because.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, so this is amazing because it's like Latina
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: power could be this like speaking truth to power and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: representation and like making waves even at the congression level.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: But then Latina power could be used like in these
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: negative ways like our listener wrote in about and it's
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Latina's have power. How are we wielding our power?
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: It also reminds me of the episode that we did
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: several seasons ago about the Chingona Industrial Complex.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, oh yes, of course.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: And so we talked about the concept of a Chingona
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: and how that's been very much embraced by the by
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: our community, by certain members of the community, and we
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: used like Neri Martinez. We're a council member Neri Martinez,
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: who was a champion of like the chinonas.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: A self identified Chingona.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: And how you know she was using her position of
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: power to disenfranchise black voters and black power in Los Angeles.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: And so that is an example of using Latino power
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: for harm.
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, very true. I mean that's the question I
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: think always at the core is you fight for power,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: what do you do with it? Whether we're talking about
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Caesar Traves and the way that he used his power
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: to abuse women and girls in the movement, or you're
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: talking about like a LATINX politician who is using their
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: position of power to disenfranchise or a Latina CEO who
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: is using her position of power to exploit. When you
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: fight for the power, and then what do you do
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: once you have it? And that's really like the ultimate question.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And then I think we have this like
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: very benevolent example of this brand who makes merch to
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: empower their community and have a Latina power line and
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: then are on the receiving end of vitriol and questioning
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: by a representative.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Of the US government.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just so striking, these two ends of
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: the spectrum that we see.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: But it also is so interesting because you might think like, oh,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: I'm making my art to my Latina art, you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: and it's for my folks and it's for my community,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: and then you don't know who's going to see it
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: and what they're going to do with it when they
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: see it, and how they respond. Yeah, And that's also
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: very striking.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it's you know, zooming out.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: It just shows us what elected officials in the US are,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: what they're doing to our like cultural institutions, how they're
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: scrutinizing the exhibits that they have, the merch that they have,
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: because the Smithsonian is a national institution, which I think,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: you know, is also another example of like wait where
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: did they do that again?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, fascist did that?
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: In fascist countries, they're doing that, we're doing that, And
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: so it's also like zooming out like yes, it went viral, like.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Within our community.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, we were talking about Latino power, and a lot
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: of us were you know, like tongue in cheek, you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: making comments, but like zooming out like.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is actually really serious.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: You know that there's so much scrutiny of the our
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: cultural institutions and how under threat they are.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: The policing and it even goes back to like what
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: we've talked about in the past few episodes, like the
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: zoot suit riots and servicemen attacking and stripping the zoot
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: suitors of their zootsuits and you know, fashion as a
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: political statement and wearing your culture as an act of
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Resistance and it's like all it's all related, and which
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: is why we talk about it on the show. And
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: then it makes it into a congressional hearing and that's wild.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Well, all that to say, keep making your art, keep
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: making keep making it. It might end up at beasts,
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: it might end up at a congressional hearing.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: It's so true.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: You know, it might stay within your community.
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: You know, we don't know where our art will travel, too,
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: and that's one of the powerful things about art.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, keep making it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Keep making your art, and keep listening to look at
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Thought Radio.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: We will catch you next time.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Besit us Loclumnia