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Commanders eke out win vs. hapless Eagles, Rams up next! · BGO Blind Pig - A Washington Commanders Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: BG, we have game chats.
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SPEAKER_00: They can they tend to get colorful at times.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: This this past weekend, this past weekend, and we'll talk about the game.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: It started out a little doomy gloomy, but a lot of people came around, and it actually was a pretty pretty hopping spot during the game on Sunday.
1:11
SPEAKER_00: So a lot of fun in there after that kind of a game.
1:15
SPEAKER_00: So Victory Monday, brother.
1:17
SPEAKER_00: You and I have been on here a couple times, just the two of us talking about our getting our doors blown out.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: Our heads stomped on.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: So it's fun to be out here and talk about a win.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:29
SPEAKER_00: What were your thoughts, your immediate thoughts?
1:31
SPEAKER_00: And we can dig deep if we want as we go along.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just my immediate thoughts.
1:36
SPEAKER_01: The obvious is the slow start, you're down 10-0 out the gate.
1:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it's like, okay.
1:44
SPEAKER_01: But here we go.
1:45
SPEAKER_01: But then from then on, 27 straight.
1:48
SPEAKER_01: I don't care if that it's the Eagles who suck.
1:51
SPEAKER_01: We're not a team that can like um snob like have a snobby win.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: It's like we blew out a team.
1:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna accept it.
2:01
SPEAKER_01: We gotta win and blow out fight and blow out fashion.
2:04
SPEAKER_01: And then like once we got rolling, I didn't really feel like the Eagles were gonna get back in the game.
2:09
SPEAKER_01: Um and then also thankfully we won.
2:13
SPEAKER_01: But once again, the refs made like crazy calls.
2:17
SPEAKER_01: We had an interception called back just because of that.
2:21
SPEAKER_01: Um the guy like Grays the helmet.
2:24
SPEAKER_01: I didn't think it was I didn't think in the nature of the game that should that um roughing should have been called on that play.
2:32
SPEAKER_01: So the refs still did their usual dumb things.
2:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, but after after our slow start and uh our own hurting ourselves with all those penal uh false starts and those kind of penalties, too.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: Um we finally finally got it going.
2:47
SPEAKER_00: So it was nice to see you mentioned the refs doing their dumb things.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: I am I will still say again, I would not even argue that that's by rule, that is a penalty.
2:57
SPEAKER_00: I get it, I understand it.
2:59
SPEAKER_00: But the problem is we're not seeing it called consistently, and that's the frustrating part.
3:03
SPEAKER_00: Last week against the Niners, not last week, two weeks ago against the Niners, some dude took his broken hand covered in a cast and literally just mollywapped Jaden Daniels in the back of the head.
3:14
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and what's his name?
3:16
SPEAKER_01: Warner was like like spearing everyone with his helmet, everyone's helmet.
3:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't even I'm not talking about the fact that I don't think that it should be a penalty because I don't think that it's in to your point in the nature of the game, something that should be penalized because it is not a safety concern, it is not inhibiting, it's not affecting the outcome of the play in an unfair advantage, any of those things.
3:40
SPEAKER_00: You want to call it fine, but always call it, and that's the bigger problem that we have.
3:45
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, like if that's gonna be the rule, then make it, then have it be the rule and be consistent.
3:53
SPEAKER_00: That's our frustration as a fan, at least mine.
3:56
SPEAKER_00: I don't know, I don't want to speak for you, but I think you have the same vibe I no, yeah, same thing.
4:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just don't have wild swings and wild differences in uh penalty.
4:06
SPEAKER_00: I um I I'm with you.
4:08
SPEAKER_00: Look, anytime we can beat a division opponent and we can have a three-score lead when the clock hits zero.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: I you take that.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: Um I I I can understand it.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: Look, it wasn't a good game for us.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: As crazy as that sounds, we won by 17.
4:25
SPEAKER_00: We held him to 10.
4:26
SPEAKER_00: Offensively, at times we looked as good as we've looked all season.
4:30
SPEAKER_00: It still wasn't a good game with us.
4:32
SPEAKER_00: We had eight penalties, we had stupid false start penalties, we had boneheaded drops.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: Diggs, yeah.
4:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I we uh Jaden, I love him.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: And at times again, at times he looked like old Jaden, the guy that you go out there and you say that guy can beat anybody any given Sunday, and there's not shit you can do about it.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: And then there's other situations where he made bad decisions and and he missed open guys, or he made bad throws, or luckily a knock on wood.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: Jaden's bad throw is a safe sale or throwaway.
5:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, not a Heineke, here's your like fuck it, Terries out there somewhere, yeah.
5:17
SPEAKER_00: Right, like or you know, the Rex Grossman, let's just put it out there and hope one of our like yeah.
5:24
SPEAKER_00: So I with that, I mean you have to appreciate that kind of thing that he's good enough, and I think it's fair to say that he's good enough now, and that he's never going to well, I shouldn't say never, more often than not, he's not gonna mess up to the point where it hurts you.
5:43
SPEAKER_00: He's just gonna mess up to the point where you don't take advantage of what you could take advantage of.
5:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree with that.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: The thing that jumped out at me was he was rolling right, Chickaconqua was wide fucking open, streaking towards the sideline.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: There was nobody within five yards of him, and I don't know if Jaden didn't see him and he threw it away.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he just air mailed it 10 yards over his head for because the ball slipped.
6:07
SPEAKER_00: I I don't know what it was, but it was an easy first down, possibly a touchdown, the way Chig was playing yesterday.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: And there was plenty of room to put the ball on him.
6:17
SPEAKER_00: So it it was it was still sloppy, and and I'm not trying to be a wet blanket on a victory, but we're coming off a bye week and we're still having procedural penalties, we're still having false starts, we're still having alignment issues, we're still you know, like, and and I love the win.
6:39
SPEAKER_00: Believe me, I'm not saying that I'm not happy that we won the game, but it's like if the Eagles weren't as bad as the Eagles are, yeah, that is a different outcome.
6:50
SPEAKER_00: We like in oh, yeah, 100%.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, the the start was bad, but there's there's no arguing that.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: And Jaden had a rough start, but then also the the team wasn't helping him with the false starts, and then with the receivers dropping, dropping when so they were dropping passes, and then like uh a couple plays the the receiver fell down running the route.
7:16
SPEAKER_00: So, like I mean it was like four or five slips, yeah.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: So like they just could not get in rhythm at all, and it was the whole team just not on the same page.
7:26
SPEAKER_01: But that I'm really disappointed in all the procedural penalties.
7:30
SPEAKER_01: There's that that does not seem to get cleaned up all the false starts and illegal procedure and all that kind of stuff.
7:37
SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, thankfully, you you know, if you're playing a team that's playing bad, you still gotta find a way to win.
7:45
SPEAKER_01: So thankfully they did that.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, yeah.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: If if the Eagles were the old Eagles, then yeah, this would not have been a contest.
7:51
SPEAKER_00: But um and it um I am I am an eternal one objective, try to be an eternal objective fan and understand that it's not easy to win in the league.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's really freaking hard.
8:03
SPEAKER_00: So when you can do it and you can do it comfortably like they did, and you can do it like it that is that is a positive, and it should be viewed as a positive.
8:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, but one of the biggest things that we've been talking about over the last few weeks is Dan Quinn and his job security.
8:21
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't think that this win, despite how it looked on paper, I don't think it changes anything with him.
8:32
SPEAKER_00: It didn't get him fired.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: If they had played like that and they lost, I think he might have been fired.
8:37
SPEAKER_00: Uh, or it would have been a you know what I mean.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: I mean, at least there'd have been people outside of Ashburn with pitchforks.
8:44
SPEAKER_00: There'd have been something going on, but but I don't think it was good enough that you can look at it and say it changed the momentum of what I think is gonna happen in the offseason.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: So I I really again I hate being a wet blanket, but I would there are there were things to be frustrated about, and I know John Brother Boone was talking about it in the game chat, and he's like, regardless of what we're seeing going on right now, we're still making stupid mistakes, and it's frustrating to see that.
9:16
SPEAKER_00: So I just don't want it to gloss over and be like, oh, everything's perfect.
9:21
SPEAKER_00: We just beat the Eagles by 17, and everything is happening.
9:25
SPEAKER_00: There was a lot there to be frustrated with, and but the outcome was still one that you can celebrate.
9:30
SPEAKER_00: So I think you've got to pay attention to both sides of it, yeah.
9:33
SPEAKER_01: And I think that's true.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: I don't I've not seen any fan gloss over it, so I think we're all so we're so used to how this team plays.
9:42
SPEAKER_01: No one's I haven't seen anyone just be like all sunshines and rainbows about this game, right?
9:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, but so yeah, it's just like you said, you can point out the the slow start and all the things we still need to clean up, but then also accept that somehow we still gotta win, or we we rarely win, so it's good to enjoy a win.
10:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, and not only somehow, we we we were able to control the game.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: I mean Saquon Barkley is notoriously if you look at some people who said I love it though.
10:13
SPEAKER_00: People have said we're this is the lowest of the low, or or it doesn't get anywhere.
10:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we've been pretty damn low.
10:19
SPEAKER_00: Like uh we have seen some bad bad, right?
10:22
SPEAKER_00: And and this would have been one of those opportunities in the past that we go out there against Tanner freaking McKee and Saquon Barkley coming on off an injury, and the Eagles are on a short week, and we've we don't take advantage of it.
10:40
SPEAKER_00: And I think we did take advantage of it, and I think that needs to be acknowledged a little bit that we did not let a backup quarterback embarrass us.
10:50
SPEAKER_00: Defensively, there were some questionable calls, but we had five sacks, we forced a fumble, we had an interception late, which was I almost don't even want to count that because it was kind of a gimme like like garbage time pick for Rasul Douglas, but we saw some plays made, and I mean we held we held Saquon Barkley to like 30 yards carry rushing or something, and yeah, he did not he did not break our backs like normally, right?
11:27
SPEAKER_00: This easily could have been a game that we've seen in the past where we fail.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: You want to talk about coming out flat where we've and then you go down 10-0 and you you crumble.
11:36
SPEAKER_01: Like I do need Saquon takes over, their tight end takes over, and yeah, right.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: We've seen that script before.
11:43
SPEAKER_01: And another thing was I didn't even notice that Payne and Kinlaw weren't playing the defense, the defensive line was holding up and uh getting pressure and uh Jordan Mylotta.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: They still got good offensive linemen on the team too.
11:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, and our defense uh played pretty well, considering who it's playing.
12:03
SPEAKER_00: I I do want to say that I can I I look at that and I don't think it's all doom and gloom.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: I I think that that is important, and I think it's important in that no, this isn't gonna you're not gonna sign checks based on this information, but I think it's important also to acknowledge the team is not giving up.
12:21
SPEAKER_00: And and and that's that's kind of something to consider when you're looking at maybe making an in-season coaching change.
12:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, these guys are still out here trying to win football games, and as as bad as in coaching that uh Dan Quinn is, the players do rally for him, they they still fight, um, and they still scrap and still try and still give effort, which there so there is something to be said for that part of Dan Quinn.
12:49
SPEAKER_01: The players do like him and are are trying.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: He does he he has all his faults, but yeah, like you said, uh the players still played uh well.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: And then Sonny Styles, I think it was it was cool to see him uh play well in prime time, and other people that were watching the game could see Sonny Styles is legit.
13:06
SPEAKER_00: I liked what I saw from Styles.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: I liked what I saw.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: Antonio Williams is is blossoming.
13:13
SPEAKER_00: I mean, this cat's a couple penalties away from being in the conversation for one of Adam Peter's best picks.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I'm not saying that hyperbolic, like yeah, he's had multiple big plays called back because of penalty or whatever you want to call it.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Allows the other corners to play.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: Nick Cross flashed a little bit, so yeah.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: We talked a couple weeks ago, and I said now we're coming into this, and we might be finding a way to start putting together a couple more winnable games because we're gonna start getting healthy.
13:47
SPEAKER_00: And I'm this isn't necessarily some sort of a a justification to that because we're so early in it, but we're seeing plays being made.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Dorence Armstrong had a quality game.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: You know, Chase on again was everywhere, even when he was getting called for penalties.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: He was ever he was all up in their grill the entire game.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, and then he's running downfield making plays.
14:14
SPEAKER_00: He is like that kid.
14:16
SPEAKER_01: His penalties were like still max effort plays.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: He would get penalized.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: I that's one guy I think that I would really prefer that they they start talking to him about adding him for another two to three seasons.
14:31
SPEAKER_00: And pay him.
14:32
SPEAKER_00: You don't need to necessarily pay him OA money, but get him up into that conversation of a kind of a more of a long-term commitment tier because I think he's got something, he's got some juice, man.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: Uh and Minihu had another good game at the interior.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Mc McCaffrey had a good return game.
14:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh yes, he did.
14:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he looked a thousand percent different than he did two weeks ago when he was reactivated.
14:59
SPEAKER_00: He looked timid to me before, but yeah, yesterday he was attacking the line, and he looked very more he looked a lot more confident, and hopefully that that means something.
15:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:13
SPEAKER_00: Burks had another big game.
15:15
SPEAKER_00: He only had three catches, one of them went for like 70 or something stupid.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was good to see the deep ball, the couple places.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So that was good.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Burks.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: So, and then Diggs is just digs.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: I mean, he just finds his way into the end zone.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: I think he's he's got what six touchdowns on the season or something?
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Five, yeah, something like that.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: He's another that's another good signing, was digs, right?
15:41
SPEAKER_00: So I I'm not gonna throw totally poo-poo on it, but I think that they were going.
15:46
SPEAKER_00: If we want to truly make any noise, they're gonna have to clean this up with this procedural penalties and some of that.
15:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're not gonna be able to do it with any substantial roster change.
15:58
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna have to come from coaching and practice, and they're gonna have to figure that out.
16:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
16:03
SPEAKER_00: I think we could actually find ourselves making a move at the trade deadline that it's gonna surprise people.
16:09
SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know that it's gonna be somebody like you know, obviously, like a Jeffrey Simmons, where they just the Bears just give up two first-round picks.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that was cool.
16:20
SPEAKER_00: Um or or Quentin Nelson, who believe it or not, I wouldn't have hated us trading for Quentin Nelson if it means that you, you know, it's a sign-in trade and you bring you bring him in to be your interior left guard up opposite Cosmy for the next three or four seasons.
16:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you could have done a lot worse than that.
16:39
SPEAKER_00: It might have been valuable, but but then you're putting you gotta weigh the the benefit to cost analysis there.
16:44
SPEAKER_00: But to make a move, maybe a wide receiver, maybe a corner, um I I could see us doing that and looking to posture, especially depending on what happens against the Rams.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: Because when's the trade deadline?
17:01
SPEAKER_01: That I'm not sure.
17:02
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna pull up the date.
17:04
SPEAKER_00: November 10th.
17:05
SPEAKER_00: So we play the Rams on Sunday.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: It's a one o'clock game on November 8th.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: So and depending on what happens there, if you find a way to win that game, you find your way 3-4-1.
17:36
SPEAKER_00: You've now got a tie and a win within the division and two losses.
17:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but you're posturing a little bit to see what happens.
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the Cowboys just lost to the Cardinals.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: You're you're nipping at their heels.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: The Giants were in a bye this week, but the Giants schedule, I think, gets pretty tough.
17:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I I thought I saw a stat or something.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: They haven't played a winning team this season.
18:01
SPEAKER_01: A team with a winning record.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it was played or beat, but yeah, I think I saw something like that.
18:07
SPEAKER_00: Same thing.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like the Giants play the Eagles, which nobody's losing their mind about.
18:12
SPEAKER_00: Then we have them on Thursday night.
18:14
SPEAKER_00: Then they play Jacksonville, who is like Reborn, the Colts, yeah, the Niners, and the Seahawks.
18:23
SPEAKER_00: So like their next six games look to be pretty rough.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: And if we can find a way to beat them at home or in New York, which I don't know that I think I don't think that's an impossibility.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: I mean, we're we've now found ourselves back in that conversation, then the also dreadful conversation of winning a bad division.
18:46
SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, if they like you said, if they find a way to beat the Rams, then there's there's a glimmer of hope because the division is not it's not sparkly, shiny, great division.
18:58
SPEAKER_01: It's not so yeah, there's there's a glimmer of hope.
19:01
SPEAKER_00: The Eagles the Eagles might not win another game.
19:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're good.
19:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, in and a lot of that is injury, and a lot of that I think is them having kind of and give Howie Roseman credit and the team.
19:14
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, I say hopefully, but if I'm if I'm speaking, if I'm a fan of theirs, hopefully that they don't look at this as some sort of an indictment and they say, Okay, this is a lost season.
19:25
SPEAKER_00: Let's make sure that we pay attention to what we're doing and know that this isn't our future.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:31
SPEAKER_00: But um, that's why I think they sold some of their older pieces.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Something I don't I don't hate.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: I think I almost wish we would have moved Payne before he got hurt, because obviously.
19:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: You didn't miss him either.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: You didn't, yeah, you know what I mean?
19:48
SPEAKER_01: We we didn't miss him, or we like and obviously I like Kinlaw too, but he this game we didn't miss either of them.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: And we didn't now we're gonna play some some some stiffer competition, especially this coming weekend.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but um it's gonna this weekend is gonna dictate a lot of what happens, I think, with the way that this team looks at going forward.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: And if you find a way to come out of your bye, beat the Eagles, which is and then beat the Rams, and then you have the trade deadline on the 10th, and then you're playing in New York on Thursday night football on the 12th.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, and then you're going essentially into another bye week because after the Thursday night game against the Giants, you don't play again until Monday the 23rd.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh against the Bengals leading up to Thanksgiving.
20:49
SPEAKER_00: So not only do you have the early the Thursday game, you have another day there.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and the Bengals looked really impressive in the second half last week, but they looked really bad in the first half.
21:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:04
SPEAKER_00: So then you're looking at Cardinals who just beat Dallas, but they don't look like any sort of a juggernaut.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: The Titans, who a lot of people look at like maybe one of the worst teams in the league, despite the fact that they had a kind of a frisky game this past weekend.
21:23
SPEAKER_00: Texans, Falcons, Vikings, who just lost, and then then we get into the Jaguars.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the rest of this schedule compared to the uh what the teams that we're chasing, yeah, looks a lot different than the first half.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Now that we've kind of gotten to the first half of the season, less intimidating than the first half of the season.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: And then like what you were kind of talking about uh before we went out, we went live, is uh um there's no super scary juggernaut um mission impossible looking teams this year.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Anywhere possibly AFC or NFC, yeah.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: I I mean you look at the AFC and you look the NFC just is I think wide open.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Right now, they're talking about a heavyweight fight between the Seattle Seahawks and the Chicago Bears.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: And no, I'm not gonna sit here and act like we should be in the same conversation as the Seahawks because they're sporting jewelry and we're not, you know what I mean?
22:24
SPEAKER_00: They they have they've earned the ability, but we did beat them with Marcus Mariota at quarterback.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and I I just up and down.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean, even Sam Fran, I don't know that we and we played them head to head, and I don't know that I would make.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: The argument if we played them 10 times, that I would bet against us seven of them.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think we could probably win four.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:51
SPEAKER_00: But so this is and I and this is probably how coaches are thinking right now, and they're looking at it and saying, Well, what what direction are we going in?
23:01
SPEAKER_00: And how do we want to plan this out?
23:02
SPEAKER_00: So I hope that they have some realistic conversations.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: And Adam Peters and Josh Harris, I think I don't know that they need to meddle in the coaching, but I think they need to have a conversation with Dan Quinn at this point and not necessarily say something that the fans want them to say to him.
23:28
SPEAKER_00: But they need to have like we've got to clean up the shit that's that's we're killing ourselves.
23:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_01: That's the main thing.
23:36
SPEAKER_01: There's so many procedural things and just shooting ourselves in the foot kind of things that it's hard to get in rhythm, and even big teams can't overcome constant, you know, second and 15, third and eighth.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: You know, like yeah.
23:51
SPEAKER_00: And not only second and 15 or third and twelve, but to have a big play, yes, and then it yeah, get washed out because of a dumb penalty.
24:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, that's almost more debilitating when the opportunity's there and the execution is there, but the one dumb penalty eliminates it.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
24:12
SPEAKER_01: Especially most of the time the penalty like had no bearing direct bearing on the game or on that play.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: Like it wasn't the lineman making a key block, it was like a play on the other side of the field, you know, and it would get canceled out.
24:26
SPEAKER_01: So it was yeah, those were very frustrating.
24:29
SPEAKER_00: And they also need to understand that as long as that kind of things happens, we're never gonna be real, like it's never gonna happen.
24:36
SPEAKER_00: Like, figure the discipline out.
24:39
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if it means that you get the refs in there, like that's the old school track tactic, right?
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Then they have the refs come to practice and yeah, I remember that.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: An old school thing they bring back.
24:51
SPEAKER_00: Y'all are being too penalized.
24:52
SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have refs at every practice, and at every practice, they're gonna be calling penalties as they see them.
24:58
SPEAKER_00: I figure do something about it.
24:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't care if you put it on the giant wall that they probably watched film on and say, hey.
25:08
SPEAKER_00: What the fuck, dude?
25:09
SPEAKER_00: Like what do you do?
25:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the solution is, but yeah, they they've got to sort that out.
25:16
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, I'm not ready to say that our season is lost.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people do.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: A lot of people say winning a bad division is not beneficial, and I understand the argument, but damn, is it hard to not be excited when you see something like we just saw where we win by 17 over a bad team?
25:35
SPEAKER_00: Or how is it not exciting to celebrate a victory from your team?
25:40
SPEAKER_00: And and it's not over, and for as long as it's not over, I personally will continue to watch, yeah, with the idea that it's not over yet.
25:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, and it's there, it's the the opportunity is there, it's ripe, it's right in front of us.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
25:57
SPEAKER_01: And we mostly lose, we each season we lose more than we win.
26:02
SPEAKER_01: So anytime we win, I'm gonna enjoy it because they're so rare.
26:07
SPEAKER_01: And then this up, and then this season specifically, the division sucks.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: So there's there's there's a glimmer of hope that even with the slow start, you you could still literally be in the division, um, with uh get a couple wins in a row, and you're back in it.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: So, for the team when we're watching the game.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: I gotta on top of that, most of the time we lose because we're not as good as the team we're facing.
26:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:33
SPEAKER_00: Like we're not we're not looking back and saying, Well, that was our fault.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, that was our fault.
26:39
SPEAKER_00: No, we're looking back and saying we didn't have a chance, right?
26:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah.
26:44
SPEAKER_00: So I'm not gonna give some proclamation that we're gonna go in some heater that that we're gonna make a run at some Super Bowl opportunity.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: I last week I said realistically, I thought six and five over the final 11 was realistic.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Um this was one of the ones that I circled that we should win, and they did.
27:08
SPEAKER_00: They did they handled their business sloppy as shit, but they handled their business that we could have won 35 to 10.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: We could have won 42 to 10, like it was there.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you can't let those opportunities walk away when you're playing teams like the Rams or the Jaguars, as crazy as that sounds, yeah, or the even the Vikings, who have probably one of the best defenses in football, and that's gonna be a true test because they don't have a truly powerful offense, they're kind of riding their defense at this point, yeah, and and we'll see.
27:51
SPEAKER_00: So next week's the Rams.
27:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, Sean McVeigh comes back.
27:58
SPEAKER_00: Miles Garrett, we aren't gonna see.
28:00
SPEAKER_00: He's still out.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: I think they're gonna open the window after next week.
28:05
SPEAKER_00: Okay when he's eligible.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Excuse me.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: They have underperformed in a way.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: I picked them before the season, I picked them to win the Super Bowl, and I I don't know, maybe they could go on a run, but man, it's not looking good for them.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Um as I pull up their record real quick.
28:28
SPEAKER_01: How they've underwhelmed this year.
28:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, four and four.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: Now they have out they have they have a positive point differential, which is kind of crazy to think that they've scored 194 and they've given up 168.
28:43
SPEAKER_00: And the Seahawks, who are ranked ahead of them, have scored 168 and only given up 125.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: So um, they're not a team that I think anybody should sleep on, but I also don't, again, don't think that they're a team that is anywhere near as terrifying as they were to start the season.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: Matt Stafford is an MVP caliber quarterback, but you start to wonder if he's still got that juice.
29:11
SPEAKER_00: I think they have two of the better running backs in the league, and Kyra Williams and Blake Coram.
29:15
SPEAKER_00: Blake Coram is a local kid.
29:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you knew that.
29:18
SPEAKER_00: He grew up in Marshall, Virginia, went to Penn State, ended up.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I always kind of root for that guy just because he is kind of local and it's kind of fun that I know people that know him.
29:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
29:32
SPEAKER_00: That like coached him when he was in high school.
29:34
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: So I do root for him.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Um Tutu Atwell was a major part of their um game this past week because they are without Devontae Adams, who is now on IR, uh, and uh Puka Nakua is another weapon.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that I think I think this is where we are going to truly see what this defense can do because they are going to be able to expose you.
30:05
SPEAKER_00: McVay is kind of the one was the wonder kid.
30:07
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that he's still got that juice.
30:13
SPEAKER_00: Something's off there.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: Cliff Kingsbury coming back, he's an offensive assistant there, which is another little weird storyline.
30:20
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I forgot about that.
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that is a weird little wrinkle there.
30:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's right.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's weird.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we'll see if our defensive because I think our DB's played better this week.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they did.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's gonna kind of be the matchup, I think.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be what happens on the outside.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Kyro Williams is gonna get his.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Like, if we can clog the middle, it's gonna be on our linebackers.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: But if we can find a way to clog the middle, what's gonna happen on the outside?
30:52
SPEAKER_00: And are we able to kind of overcome what the talent they have out there?
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Get some pressure on Stafford so he just doesn't have all day to pick apart the defense.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Because he is definitely not mobile, he is not a guy, yeah, that's gonna he's not gonna get he needs his his space and then he needs his ability to plant and throw.
31:14
SPEAKER_01: He is not gonna be a guy that's gonna a rare QB these days that's not like just gonna take off.
31:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm not convinced that they're gonna do they're gonna destroy us, but I could see it happening.
31:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh especially they're still four and four.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like it's down for them, but that that'd be like a great record for us.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, so how much different would be we feel right now if we were four and four?
31:58
SPEAKER_01: If we were four and four, it'd be like a totally different conversation.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: Um being good, and compared compared to uh a team that in our situation.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: The other little wrinkle, uh, and this this will kind of be one of those curious things to pay attention to, is that they do fly east and it's a one o'clock kick.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:23
SPEAKER_00: So is there that kind of advantage there?
32:27
SPEAKER_00: Kind of similar to the what we had against the Seahawks?
32:30
SPEAKER_01: Could that be and what we've got two wins and a tie at home?
32:35
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, and how crazy this stat came up.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: That was Jaden Daniels' first win in over a calendar year.
32:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that is crazy.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I am not one to sit here and say that quarterback wins is something that you should completely derive your opinion of a guy.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: I it is kind of important because they have the most influence, but man, to think that this kid, and as good as we have seen out of him, is uh hasn't that's the first time he has tasted victory as a starting quarterback in a calendar year as bananas.
33:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, too.
33:23
SPEAKER_01: A lot of it was because last year he was injured, but still, yeah, once they once I saw that stat too, it it really stuck out.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize it was that bad.
33:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I know he and he's he's a big he's a big time competitor, so you know that really ate at him.
33:39
SPEAKER_01: Uh that he wasn't able to get you know to get some wins, but now he's got one under his season.
33:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: And he earned it.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:48
SPEAKER_00: As bad as he played at times, he earned it.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: There was some he looked a little juicy.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: He broke the pocket well.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and he didn't do it crazy.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: He only had I think he only actually had two carries.
34:00
SPEAKER_00: But there was one where the pocket started breaking down, and he just put his foot in the ground, and you blinked, and he was 18 yards downfield and he was gliding.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like yeah, he still had like he still had uh he still had good play.
34:16
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he you know he started slow and had some he he had an off day for him, but there but yeah, like you said, there were still uh glimpses and shots, and you know, um he got his bell rung and it's like it woke him up, you know what I mean?
34:30
SPEAKER_00: Like he got hit hard and he went to the bench and he took his helmet off, he threw it down, and he kind of put his head back and shut his eyes.
34:38
SPEAKER_00: I think you said it in the chat, and I know I I think I even agreed to it, or somebody maybe it was burgled, but it it was like that that was as much frustration with missing a play as it was with pain.
34:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, yeah, I think you're yeah, I think so.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
34:56
SPEAKER_00: Like he he he so the next the second half of the season is gonna be on his shoulders, and it's gonna be a lot on his shoulders because we're starting, we are getting the guys back that are gonna be back.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna get Tunzel back, we're not gonna get McLaurin back, we're not gonna get some of these other guys back because they're just done.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: So this is kind of who we're gonna be uh outside of maybe a move or two, I don't even say or two, maybe a move that you can add something as the trade deadlines comes out of next weekend.
35:30
SPEAKER_00: But it's gonna be it's gonna be him, and I think I would I want to see what if if Antonio Williams can find a way to continue this progression.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: I I I love what I've seen from that kid over the next yeah, he looks really good, and then the keep uh increase the usage of Chig because uh he looks really good too when um when they're when when they're in rhythm together.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've I think we have seen almost an emphasis on him, right, over the last two games, more of that kind of design play, and it's not just because for the longest time, where's Chick?
36:13
SPEAKER_00: Where's Chick?
36:14
SPEAKER_00: Where's Chick?
36:14
SPEAKER_00: And then he kind of quietly has had two decent games where you said, All right, here's a little bit here, and then now if we can utilize him as a weapon and then get some of that outside help, and then you create for him some opportunities, yeah, to make the bigger play.
36:30
SPEAKER_00: Eckler had a decent game.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm just kind of going through my had positive plays whenever he was in there, and then now he's hurt, yeah.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Of course, like yeah, yeah, uh Seahawks, Seahawks cut um the running back, Henry.
36:50
SPEAKER_00: So okay.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: Everybody was like, bring him back.
36:54
SPEAKER_00: We'll see if that happens.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we'll see.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: Rashad White.
36:57
SPEAKER_00: Rashad White.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: I keep coming back to this game.
37:01
SPEAKER_00: He made a couple plays that I'm like, all right, this kid, he's got something.
37:05
SPEAKER_00: There was one where it was like a it was a screen pass to the left, and he got it, and he was about four yards away from the first down, and it looked like he ran into a mosh pit, and then he just kind of squirted through, yeah, and ended up getting a first down.
37:19
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he had a good yeah.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: This is like a like a solid back, yeah.
37:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: And it he's kind of the one of those guys you classify not even as a back, he's just a weapon.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: You just kind of find ways to get him the ball.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: You don't really need to isolate him as a position, so yeah.
37:39
SPEAKER_00: Well, um, I'm kind of keeping myself, my excitement under control.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: I was happy, I was hooting and hollering last night.
37:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna lie, I was cheering.
37:54
SPEAKER_00: It's fun, love watching my boys win.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Um confidence level is not changed.
38:02
SPEAKER_00: We did what we should have done.
38:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, if we now if we come out here next week and we have three penalties total for 15 yards, and we can all complain about it, and we put together a good game.
38:17
SPEAKER_00: That that that probably designates them or warrants a little bit more of that change.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's now it's like what's next.
38:26
SPEAKER_00: That's what I put on my on my little blurb here under my name.
38:31
SPEAKER_00: You put winning is an option, who knew?
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: I put let's see what happens next.
38:40
SPEAKER_00: And it's time to start layering.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: If we're gonna be if we're gonna fulfill some sort of thing that I I hope that we can put together, we're gonna have to layer these things.
38:49
SPEAKER_00: We can't do one on, one off.
38:51
SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, we need to stack some land, stat you know, good efforts and keep, you know, build something.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh great.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: And and we've got to eliminate the stupid penalties.
39:03
SPEAKER_00: And I shouldn't be saying that halfway through the third season of Dan Quinn.
39:08
SPEAKER_00: Like, this should be a something that's not accepted.
39:11
SPEAKER_00: Right.
39:12
SPEAKER_00: And it needs to get addressed, and it might be his downfall ultimately.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if I even want to make predictions.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: We've done it in the past.
39:23
SPEAKER_00: I I don't think it's even worth it.
39:25
SPEAKER_00: I think we I my prediction is is that I think we're gonna probably put up a better fight than people believe with that we're we we should put up.
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, I could see kind of that situation like we did against Philly against week in week one, where kind of nobody's really paying attention.
39:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and nobody really thinks that we stand a chance, but we ended up coming there and putting up a fight, and the the difference is gonna be do we do what we did against Philly or do we do what we get in Seattle?
39:59
SPEAKER_00: Right like, yeah, are we able to put together and finish, or are we unable to do so and fall just short?
40:07
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, yeah, I feel the same.
40:09
SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like it's gonna work out where we're hanging around, and then third, fourth quarter, exactly.
40:17
SPEAKER_01: Are we gonna just do shoot ourselves in the foot, give up back breaking things, or like in the Seattle game, make the plays to win the game.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I could see either way, I wouldn't be surprised.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: But um I do think playing at home helps, like you said in the early game.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: It's better than us playing over there.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's still it's still we're definitely the underdog, but it's not it's not impressive.
40:48
SPEAKER_01: Rightfully so to see us winning the game.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Right.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
40:54
SPEAKER_00: And I I think I think we'll be there.
40:58
SPEAKER_00: I think we'll be in the game well into the second half, and it's gonna depend on what we can execute and and where can we go.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: And I would be shocked.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: I shouldn't say shocked, I say that every week.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: I'd be surprised by a blowout one way or the other, and that might mean that we're down by 10 with three minutes to go, and we end up making it a one-score game, and then it kind of backdoor covers the blowout situation.
41:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but I I I don't see I I think there's enough there on our side that we're gonna be competitive, and I think there's enough on their side that they're gonna try to kind of hold us at bay, and it's gonna just come down to whether or not we can make the play at the right time in the right situation.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe you know, hopefully get some turnovers from Staffords.
41:59
SPEAKER_00: Right, yeah, force a couple turnovers.
42:01
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, a sack fumble wouldn't be terrible.
42:05
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, I I don't know what's going on in the NFL this year, but it seems like guys are going into the weight room with MMA fighters and learning the peanut punch because I have just seen Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:17
SPEAKER_01: You know what you're right.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot more of that this year.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: That's a good point.
42:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:21
SPEAKER_00: I mean, it is a different animal.
42:22
SPEAKER_00: There's guys, they're just throwing haymakers at the ball.
42:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what I mean.
42:27
SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, you're right.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: It's not just us across the whole board this year.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's everywhere.
42:34
SPEAKER_00: So um, I wouldn't I I'd love a Mikey Samer still breakout game.
42:41
SPEAKER_00: Let that kid get an interception for a touchdown or something, just get his life back in his legs.
42:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, that'd be cool.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: You know, maybe or maybe uh uh McCaffrey can break take one to the house.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: That would be cool.
42:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um that's the I think that's gonna kind of be what it is.
42:57
SPEAKER_00: I think we're gonna need a play, yeah, like an unscripted play, yeah, to change things a little bit that's gonna kind of kind of be a dynamic shift in in that in the flow of the game.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: And that that'll be Jaden breaks one, uh, yeah, that those kind of things.
43:17
SPEAKER_01: I yeah.
43:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean it could be uh it could be a 60-yard wide receiver screen to Antonio Williams, it could be a 60-yard screen to Rashad White, it could be you know, but one of those kind of plays that you're like, okay, okay, okay, and then it just happens, or an interception for a touchdown, or like you said, a kick return or a punt return for a touchdown, or a sack fumble return for a touchdown, something that is just kind of a shift, and doing it at home.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: Um I there was a lot of green in the stadium this weekend, but I do have to give fans credit.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: I did hear a lot of cheering for us.
43:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't anticipate being overrun by the Rams.
44:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't think so either, then especially this year.
44:10
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you yeah, I don't feel like Rams fans travel or that many.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, like if you think about it, even like say you're like at a sports bar, some random do you ever see someone in the Ram?
44:24
SPEAKER_00: You don't see a lot of Ram jerseys around DC, right?
44:27
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44:29
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44:35
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44:36
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44:41
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44:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: So always fun.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I I'm happy with what we saw.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: I I now it's time to show me again, and then show me again, and then show me again.
45:00
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45:03
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45:05
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45:08
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45:10
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45:34
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45:40
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45:55
SPEAKER_01: I know, I've done it enough times.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: All right, boys.
46:01
SPEAKER_00: Love you guys.
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SPEAKER_00: Cheers and the pigs are.