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Back to school: Teacher has student's baby & snorting coke in pick up line · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: They were having six a Northeast Ohio teenager and a teacher,
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Speaker 1: the pair allegedly having sex for years. His son was
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Speaker 1: a freshman in Akron's Bucktle High School. This one, as
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Speaker 1: far as it to having a child together, was a
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Speaker 1: straight failure from the school. Teen's father says no one
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Speaker 1: did anything to stop it. Two year old Lauren Lynn
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Speaker 1: Cross allegedly he began showing an interest in the fourteen
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Speaker 1: year old when she was his eighth grade English teacher.
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Speaker 1: My son is having sexual relationships with this woman with
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Speaker 1: a teacher with a teacher. He went to police. They
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Speaker 1: told me, well, he's not cooperating with us, so we
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Speaker 1: basically could be no can do nothing with it. Cross
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Speaker 1: even convinced the team's mother to allow him to move
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Speaker 1: in with her. Thirty year old woman with a fourteen
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old boy, you know, and she's basically getting
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Speaker 1: sexually aroused off of him and Ohio teacher. A female
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Speaker 1: Ohio teacher has a love child with a teen student
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Speaker 1: after a three year affair. You know what, last night
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Speaker 1: when we were going to bed, my daughter asked me, Mom,
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Speaker 1: what was your fourth grade like? And I told her
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Speaker 1: all about Ms. Coleman, who always buttoned her shirt all
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Speaker 1: the way to the very top, always had her glasses
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Speaker 1: on straight, was very quiet and mirror. Well, not anymore, people,
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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is time stories and this is
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Speaker 1: a crime. Why do people keep calling it an affair?
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Speaker 1: You can't have an affair with a child. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now from dailymail dot Com Chris Spargo, crack reporter.
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Speaker 1: Also with me renowned psychologist out of New York, Karen Stark.
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Speaker 1: Chris Spargo, first to you, Why does everybody call this
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Speaker 1: an affair? I call it child molestation. Let's start at
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Speaker 1: the beginning. What happened, Chris Spargo. So, Laura Lynn Cross,
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Speaker 1: who is a high school teacher in Akron, Ohio, allegedly
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Speaker 1: began having a sexual affair with this boy to last
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Speaker 1: over the course of three years. The ys Spargo, you
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Speaker 1: just did it. You just said an affair and a
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Speaker 1: fair This is not an affair when you have sex
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Speaker 1: with a child. Okay, now, Chris Spargo dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Chris Spargo, you're a young gent. Do you have children yet?
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Speaker 1: I don't well, Chris Spargo, When you do, you do
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Speaker 1: not want them getting down with a teacher. Okay, Now
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Speaker 1: let's start at the beginning and don't let me hear
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Speaker 1: the words love affair, Chris Bargo. Go ahead. So she
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Speaker 1: met this boy when she was the eighth grade teacher
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Speaker 1: and allegedly started molesting him for a span of three years. Um,
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Speaker 1: the parents had maybe made some comments about it that
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Speaker 1: we're kind of ignored by the school, and now it
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Speaker 1: is sort of just coming to like that they had
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Speaker 1: a three year affair. That is what he said. It again,
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Speaker 1: very I'm sorry. Three I know, I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: Chris Bargo. I don't understand how this could go on
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Speaker 1: for three years. Well, let me back it up just
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Speaker 1: a moment. This woman, Laura Lynn Cross, allegedly has a
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Speaker 1: three year sex how do I say it, relationship with
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Speaker 1: a boy in her class, a student there at Bucktele
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Speaker 1: High School, Akron, Ohio. She allegedly invites a little boy
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Speaker 1: to use her pool before later getting him to spend
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Speaker 1: the night. Now, how does the school not know they're
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Speaker 1: sleeping together? That this thirty six year old woman? How
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Speaker 1: old was the boy, Chris Bargo? When they first met,
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Speaker 1: he was only thirteen years old? Um, and then once
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Speaker 1: they started, you know, this legibleistation happened, he was fourt Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me get this straight, Karen Stark. Did you hear
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Speaker 1: that the boy had just turned thirteen? She probably met
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Speaker 1: him when he was twelve. How can the school not
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Speaker 1: know this? Well, the schools are supposed to be on
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Speaker 1: the lookout for it, but obviously they must have done
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Speaker 1: some kind of a good job in hiding their relationship,
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Speaker 1: and they do that. That's a really good point, Chris Bargo.
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Speaker 1: How did the teacher, Laura Lynn Cross? I mean, this
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Speaker 1: is back to school people, a thirty six year old
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Speaker 1: teacher for three years having sex with what was then
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Speaker 1: a twelve slash thirteen year old little boy, enticing him
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Speaker 1: by inviting him to her pool. What Chris Bargo was
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Speaker 1: she married? She was not married? Okay, Well, somehow that
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Speaker 1: does not make it. Anybody didn't really try to hide it.
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Speaker 1: The boy was actually living with her first short period
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Speaker 1: of time. Good gravy. Did the school know the boy
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Speaker 1: was living with her? He did, and the mother actually
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Speaker 1: approved it. It It was a partial parental agreement where the
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Speaker 1: boy spent some time with the teacher. Okay, I've never
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Speaker 1: heard of anything like this before where the parent agrees
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Speaker 1: to have the child lived with the teacher. Um, I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to think back. The only thing I can think
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Speaker 1: of is the movie Matilda by Roald Dahl, where Matilda
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Speaker 1: goes and lives with miss Honey. I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: what this was like. We are talking about a thirty
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Speaker 1: six year old school teacher in Akron, Ohio, Laura Lynn Cross,
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Speaker 1: who has a three year sex relationship with a thirteen
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Speaker 1: year old boy student. He ends up partially living with her,
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Speaker 1: and nobody does a darn thing. Now it has come
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Speaker 1: to light they have a so called love child. Now
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Speaker 1: that state's exhibit number one. Chris Spargo the baby. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they had a child and it managed to keep it
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Speaker 1: a secret somehow for about two years. So what's happening
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Speaker 1: with it now, Chris Spargo, The baby was born somehow
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Speaker 1: the teacher, who's actually very attractive. The teacher has had
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Speaker 1: the baby kept its secret for a couple of years.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how she kept it secret at school
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Speaker 1: or Chris Spargo dailymail dot Com to the school just
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Speaker 1: look the other way. Did they know whose baby it was?
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Speaker 1: I mean the school did. And the school is, you know,
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Speaker 1: being very very forthright and saying, you know, we we
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Speaker 1: it was a failure. And the teen's father is obviously
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Speaker 1: you know, calling them out as well, just that you
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Speaker 1: know they missed all these signs. They seem it going
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Speaker 1: back and doing an internal investigation now, but that's obviously
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Speaker 1: too late at this point. The boy's father, who cannot
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Speaker 1: be named in order to protect the boy's identity, says
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Speaker 1: that he first raised concerns with the school all the
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Speaker 1: way back in two thousand and twelve. So the school
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Speaker 1: knew as far back as two thousand and twelve and
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Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. Um, first of all, and I'm quoting
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Speaker 1: the dad to ABC five, she's a school teacher. To
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Speaker 1: get aroused by a child, basically, you have to be
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Speaker 1: a sick individual. And I have to agree with that.
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, to be attracted to a little boy, is
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Speaker 1: it's wrong? How does that happen? I think the way
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Speaker 1: it happens, Nancy, not that I am approving of it
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Speaker 1: is that the women that get involved in this need
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Speaker 1: to be with a male that they can control. And clearly,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to somebody that young, they can mold
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Speaker 1: them to be whatever type of male they would like
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Speaker 1: for them to be, and partner, sexual partner, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's part of the appeal. What's concerning me, Chris Spargo,
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Speaker 1: daily mail dot com. Where the parents divorced, Where the
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Speaker 1: boy's parents divorced, Yeah, there were no The boys parents
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Speaker 1: are no longer together, which is why the father obviously
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Speaker 1: had immediately reported this speck in two thousand twelve that
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Speaker 1: the mother, meanwhile, years later, was letting the sun actually
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Speaker 1: live with the teacher. You know, this sounds like a
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Speaker 1: big fat lawsuit to me. But with the I mean
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Speaker 1: a lot of money. But with the mother the guardian
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Speaker 1: going along with the scenario, I don't know that they've
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Speaker 1: got a leg to stand on. It concerns me Chris
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Speaker 1: Spargo that the father is complaining to the school as
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Speaker 1: far back as two thousand and twelve, so there's no
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Speaker 1: way the school can say we missed the signs Uh.
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Speaker 1: It was like a billboard on Third Avenue. The teacher
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Speaker 1: is molesting your son. You know what I mean, This
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Speaker 1: is right at the third the molestation that was right
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Speaker 1: right when it started. It went on for three years
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Speaker 1: after that, so it wasn't even like that came towards
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Speaker 1: the end of it. This is right at the beginning.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Um, where is the teacher
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Speaker 1: right now? Where is Laura Lynn Cross? Is she being prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: She's currently being held in jail. She is on a
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Speaker 1: hundred dollar bond, and um they will be finally fight
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Speaker 1: charges haven't filed. Um, she's a pre count of sexual
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Speaker 1: battery which has been indicated on at this time. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's just the strangest thing. Chris Spargo. Uh, you know
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Speaker 1: my twins that you know are about to turn and they,
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Speaker 1: you know, are really rubbing it in by running around
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Speaker 1: the house claiming they're gonna soon be double digits. They're
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Speaker 1: about to be ten years old. This little boy was
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Speaker 1: only uh two years and eleven months just now I
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Speaker 1: have three years when this started. John David Lynch could
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Speaker 1: no more handle a relationship with a grown woman than
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Speaker 1: the man in the moon. All right, He secretly doesn't
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Speaker 1: brush his teeth and tries to get away without wearing underwear.
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Speaker 1: He still wears his clothes inside out and backwards on
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Speaker 1: the weekends. All right, I don't anticipate within two years
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Speaker 1: he's gonna get any better. I don't understand the connection
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Speaker 1: this woman had with the boy. Um, what is the
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Speaker 1: what is the what is the teacher saying, Chris Bargo,
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Speaker 1: What's what is she? What's her response? He's saying a
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Speaker 1: little bit more quiet? And the father, obviously, I think
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Speaker 1: she feels a little bit more complicit in this because
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Speaker 1: of what she allowed to happen. Um, whereas the father
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Speaker 1: is just vocally speaking out against everyone, especially the school,
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Speaker 1: and you know, sharing his story. Where is the little
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Speaker 1: Where is the baby? The baby? The baby is I believe,
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Speaker 1: with the family of the teacher at this point. So
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Speaker 1: I guess her mom and dad wherever they may be.
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Speaker 1: And the little boy is now going on seventeen, what
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Speaker 1: does he have interaction with the baby? I mean, you
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Speaker 1: can hardly expect a junior in high school to pay
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Speaker 1: child support. So if the mom is convicted, she goes
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Speaker 1: to jail. Chris Bargo, Right, that's correct. So that leaves
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Speaker 1: the baby without a dad, essentially living with grandparents while
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Speaker 1: mommy is in jail. Let me ask you this, Karen
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Speaker 1: Star are psychologist joining me out of New York. The
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Speaker 1: attraction between an adult and a child, like a twelve
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Speaker 1: year old child, that's a pedophilia correct and completely immoral
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Speaker 1: and criminally wrong. Why do people go easier on women
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Speaker 1: that commit chad molestation as opposed to men? I think
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Speaker 1: in general there's a perceived notion that, um, a woman
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Speaker 1: is less guilty because the in our culture, it's very
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Speaker 1: hard to picture a woman as being the sexual aggressor.
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Speaker 1: We see in so many situations that women are preyed
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Speaker 1: upon are weaker that it's very hard to wrap around
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Speaker 1: the way that we view things something like this happening,
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Speaker 1: that a woman would actually take advantage of a child,
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Speaker 1: and you don't see it very often. There's no way,
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Speaker 1: really they can file any type of lawsuit gets a
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Speaker 1: school or the teacher, Chris Spargo, as far as I
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Speaker 1: can tell, because the mom went along with it, the
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Speaker 1: boy was a willing participant. Um the dad after his
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Speaker 1: initial complaint, I don't know that he complained again. The
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Speaker 1: only thing that can happen now is the criminal trial.
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Speaker 1: So tell me the counts that she's facing, Chris Bargo.
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Speaker 1: So she's currently been indicted onto three counts of sexual
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Speaker 1: battery um for the period between August through September of
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Speaker 1: two which, you know, given the situation, you're seeming like
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Speaker 1: a bit of a light sort of indictment concerned. And
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Speaker 1: she had a childhood child with the boy that she had.
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Speaker 1: You know, we all remember Mary Kay Laturno. Mary Kay Laturno,
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Speaker 1: a teacher out of Seattle, started a illegal six relationship
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Speaker 1: with Really Flow, her boy student. I think he was
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Speaker 1: between ten and eleven at the time that started. Something
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Speaker 1: like that. She went to jail, the judge letter out
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Speaker 1: for a minute under the condition that she not be
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Speaker 1: in touch with the boy. Well, she was caught more
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Speaker 1: than a couple of days having sex in a car
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Speaker 1: with really fall out. Well put her back in the
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Speaker 1: slammer where she gave birth when she did several years
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Speaker 1: behind bars. When she got out, the two married, and
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Speaker 1: the last couple of months they have announced they're splitting. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that's a surprise. What about it here and start? I
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Speaker 1: think that, um, this whole thing begins Nancy with theo
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Speaker 1: with the idea that a student should be allowed to
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Speaker 1: ever live with a teacher. I can't think of any
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Speaker 1: situation where that would be accepted. You know, um again,
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Speaker 1: I don't think she can be sued civilly because the
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Speaker 1: parents went along with it. So, Chris Bargo, she's headed
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Speaker 1: to court and she's facing a light sentence. Do you
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Speaker 1: see any possible way that there will be action against
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Speaker 1: the school? The father could independently final That could maybe work.
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, the mother, as you said, probably does
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Speaker 1: not because of what you allowed to happen. But the father,
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Speaker 1: you know what's very vocal about his concerns and they
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Speaker 1: were ignored. Take a listen to what happened in the
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Speaker 1: Mary kay La tourno case. I'll never forget this. When
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Speaker 1: did you first feel any kind of attraction to Billie? Well,
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Speaker 1: there was an emotional attraction late in the year, towards
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Speaker 1: the end, actually, and that was we just had bonded.
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Speaker 1: We have similar interests, and I also knew that he
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Speaker 1: had girl interests, and I did suspect and I knew
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Speaker 1: definitely it was extending in my direction, and I just
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Speaker 1: really I just really ignored it. I just thought that
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Speaker 1: all things to you M M one. Well, one time
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Speaker 1: he just came straight out and said, would you ever
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Speaker 1: have an affair? Stich and your old voice as to
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Speaker 1: his teacher, would you ever have an affair? He was
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Speaker 1: even th yet. Okay, this twelve year old boy says
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Speaker 1: to you, Mrs Laturna, would you ever have an affair?
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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, did not look him in the eyes,
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Speaker 1: stay very busy, and it was very uncomfortable for me.
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Speaker 1: And then he knew that I was avoiding all of
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Speaker 1: his comments and insinuations, and he was very assertive and
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Speaker 1: wanted a response. And when I looked him in the eyes,
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Speaker 1: I it really took me back, because you felt something
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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, And basically he said that he was
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Speaker 1: in love with me. Verry, what did you say? I said,
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Speaker 1: can you hold that for a long long time? And
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Speaker 1: then what happened? I didn't want to disrespect his feelings
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Speaker 1: for me, and I couldn't. I can't honestly say that
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Speaker 1: I was Well, I maybe I can. I I look back,
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Speaker 1: Maybe I was in love with him. I was going
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Speaker 1: to say that I and you felt attraction. Then I
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Speaker 1: felt a very deep love for him. Now we had
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Speaker 1: to Fort Myers, Florida. You may think about beaches, sunny days,
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Speaker 1: phone with your family, awesome seafood. Well that's not exactly
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Speaker 1: what this soccer mom had on her mind. I'm talking
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Speaker 1: about Christina Hester, because, according to multiple witnesses, mommy was
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Speaker 1: called snorting cocaine. Right offer smartphone, right offer, smartphone screen
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Speaker 1: outside school in the carpool line. Okay, mommy, couldn't you
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Speaker 1: at least do it before you got in the carpool line?
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Speaker 1: I mean it's pick up. Everybody in a carpool pickup
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Speaker 1: line looks straight into your car. They all know your business. Why, Mommy, Why?
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Speaker 1: Alan Duke is joining me along with Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University. Alan Duke, what happened?
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Speaker 1: This is a woman who just couldn't wait. She was
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Speaker 1: in the parent pickup line at Lexington Middle School in
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Speaker 1: Leake County, Florida. This just as school was starting back
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Speaker 1: for the fall session. And uh, it seems though they
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Speaker 1: called them the school resource officers. The cop who was
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Speaker 1: inside the building actually on an upper level, looked down
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Speaker 1: and he saw through the window. He could see that
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Speaker 1: she was doing something with a credit card in her
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Speaker 1: smartphone and some kind of white powder, and he thought
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Speaker 1: he knew what it was, and he was right. He
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Speaker 1: brought Christina Hester thirty nine years old into the school
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Speaker 1: into his office and then questioned her, said what were
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Speaker 1: you doing? Do you have any drugs? And she acknowledged
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Speaker 1: she did, and she let him search the pocketbook and
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Speaker 1: he found about a half ground of cocaine in her pocketbook. Wow, okay,
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Speaker 1: this is what we know. We know that a Lee
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's deputy allegedly spots Christina Hester there in the
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Speaker 1: car pool pickup line outside the middle school using a
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Speaker 1: credit card to chop up a white powdery substance sprinkled
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Speaker 1: onto her phone screen. She was parked outside there at
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Speaker 1: Lexington Middle School Tuesday afternoon, waiting in the pickup line.
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Speaker 1: The deputy then allegedly sees has her snorted up through
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Speaker 1: a straw. Well, she came prepared, I can say that
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Speaker 1: for her. He then goes outside and brings her in
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Speaker 1: the office, according to the Miami Herald, and he asked
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Speaker 1: if she had anything in her car, and right there
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Speaker 1: she says a little bit of drugs, all right. The
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Speaker 1: deputy then waits until school is completely dismissed and all
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Speaker 1: the dismissal ends. Then he gets her purse, he gets
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Speaker 1: it out of the car. Right then he does a
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Speaker 1: field test and finds out it is cocaine. Explain to me,
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Speaker 1: Joe got Morgan, what is the field test. It's a
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Speaker 1: spot test, it's not it's not what we refer to
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Speaker 1: as a quantitative that means we can't get a specific
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Speaker 1: number on the measurable amount of cocaine. But it's qualitative
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Speaker 1: that that simply means that this white, powdery substance qualifies
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Speaker 1: in fact as cocaine. Oh five, Graham's the substance test
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Speaker 1: positive for cocaine. The next day, parents and students in
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Speaker 1: shock after they hear what happens. So here's my question
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Speaker 1: to you, Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining me out of
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Speaker 1: New York way in on this woman and the car
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Speaker 1: pool pickup line. I mean, really, there's no judgment of Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's just so out rageous that here's somebody with an
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Speaker 1: addiction who obviously can't have any judgment as to when
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Speaker 1: is the correct time to partake of this. And she
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Speaker 1: was using a straw. Obviously people could see that she
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Speaker 1: was putting a straw in her nose, so she's not
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Speaker 1: understanding right from wrong. And um, it's you think about
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Speaker 1: children being in that area being able to see that
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Speaker 1: and the state of mind that she's Well, you said
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the right time, Karen, Could you enlighten me?
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Speaker 1: When is the right time to snort cocaine off your
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Speaker 1: smartphone with a straw? Well, I'm not saying that there
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Speaker 1: is the right time to do it at all, but
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Speaker 1: the fact that her addiction is that terrible that she
21:46
Speaker 1: has to be in doing the drugs while she's in
21:50
Speaker 1: this line waiting to pick up a child. So how
21:53
Speaker 1: will that? That just shows how will this affect her?
21:56
Speaker 1: I mean, it's stressful enough trying to get your kids
21:57
Speaker 1: out of the carpool line and get out of a
22:00
Speaker 1: packed parking lot. So Joseph's got Morgan, How would that
22:04
Speaker 1: affect her if she just snorted up it? Can? It
22:07
Speaker 1: can turn you into a raving, psychotic maniac. Uh. It heightens,
22:13
Speaker 1: it heightens all of your senses. Uh. You know, Nancy,
22:17
Speaker 1: I've worked I've worked a lot of homicides in my
22:20
Speaker 1: years that were fueled by cocaine and crack. Uh. This
22:24
Speaker 1: is a nasty drug. People used to take it uh
22:28
Speaker 1: to to stay awake and alert, and and was was
22:31
Speaker 1: considered considered to be uh something to be used to
22:35
Speaker 1: lose weight with many times it was a party drug.
22:38
Speaker 1: So she's waiting in school one and she's partying out there. Um,
22:43
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that it's an addiction problem
22:45
Speaker 1: as much as it is. Uh just uh she she
22:49
Speaker 1: has no boundaries. Joining me right now is Dr William Maroney,
22:55
Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner. Dr Maroney is so great to talk
22:58
Speaker 1: to you. Thank someone you know, Dr Maroney. Um, we
23:03
Speaker 1: were just talking about with Joe Scott Morgan and Karen's
23:05
Speaker 1: dark about this thirty nine year old mom in a
23:09
Speaker 1: pickup line at a middle school in Fort Myers, Florida,
23:13
Speaker 1: and the deputy inside looks out the window the school
23:17
Speaker 1: deputy and sees her with a credit card cutting up
23:21
Speaker 1: cocaine on the back of her smartphone. Of course she
23:24
Speaker 1: gets arrested. But Dr Maroney, what does cocaine due to
23:31
Speaker 1: your system? Why could she not even wait to get
23:35
Speaker 1: her Number one problem comes from right after not having
23:40
Speaker 1: any boundaries. Her exposure to cocaine has rewired her brain
23:46
Speaker 1: and she's no longer thinking through the parts of her
23:50
Speaker 1: brain that consider family, that consider safety, that consider planning,
23:56
Speaker 1: that consider driving the car. Her brain is being drew
23:59
Speaker 1: driven because cocaine. I'll dumb it down a little, because
24:05
Speaker 1: this is brain chemistry. Cocaine floods the brain with the
24:10
Speaker 1: with the transmitter called dopamine that gives you a rush
24:13
Speaker 1: and a high. And you get dopamine from good food,
24:16
Speaker 1: you get dopamine from sexy, get dopamine from cocaine, You
24:19
Speaker 1: get dopamine from a really good baseball game. But there's
24:23
Speaker 1: so much dopamine flooding her head it's like pouring a
24:27
Speaker 1: five gallon bucket into a shot glass. And that's what
24:30
Speaker 1: she's seeking, and her brain is rewired to forget the
24:35
Speaker 1: basic things and family and reason. You know, Dr Maroney,
24:41
Speaker 1: when I was prosecuting felonies and inner city Atlanta, just
24:45
Speaker 1: like Joe Scott Morgan was talking about, so many of
24:49
Speaker 1: the violent crimes that I prosecuted sprang from or stemmed
24:54
Speaker 1: from crack and cocaine. Uh, then there's heroine and out
25:00
Speaker 1: the big way opioids. But cocaine and crack. I mean,
25:06
Speaker 1: people would burn a house down cooking up crack. Why
25:11
Speaker 1: because they get to a point where the more you
25:16
Speaker 1: use it, the less natural dopamine is in your head. Okay,
25:22
Speaker 1: first of all, what is dopamine? I'm just a trial lawyer,
25:25
Speaker 1: Dr Markay. The the brain has little packets of chemicals,
25:32
Speaker 1: neural transmitters that it sends out that helps electricity go
25:35
Speaker 1: to certain places to make you feel things and think things.
25:39
Speaker 1: And dopamine is the currency. It's the money. It's it's
25:44
Speaker 1: the change that the brain uses for one part to
25:47
Speaker 1: talk to another part and in that way that the
25:52
Speaker 1: brain communicates and it sends neural transmitters back and forth.
25:56
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like a calculator using electricity to
26:00
Speaker 1: send things off to you know, some chips and do
26:03
Speaker 1: some math problems. But cocaine floods the brain and pushes
26:09
Speaker 1: dopamine two levels that are so high. When when the
26:13
Speaker 1: when those levels were off, people say, I just don't
26:18
Speaker 1: feel normal. I need to do that again, and they
26:23
Speaker 1: get caught in a vicious cycle. Let me ask you this,
26:26
Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney. She had point five grams. What does
26:31
Speaker 1: that mean? What does that mean in terms of cocaine. Well,
26:36
Speaker 1: it's a it's um half a graham, and a graham
26:40
Speaker 1: is measured a thousand milligrams is one graham and that's
26:45
Speaker 1: I mean twenty grahams. Is trafficking, all right? Just twenty
26:49
Speaker 1: eight Grahams is a felony trafficking offense where you can
26:53
Speaker 1: do you know, thirty years to life. In some jurisdictions,
26:56
Speaker 1: she had almost a graham twenty eight Grahams is trafficking offense.
27:00
Speaker 1: So what does five point five grahams due to your body? Well,
27:05
Speaker 1: it's gonna make her numb, and it's gonna make her
27:10
Speaker 1: you fork kind of like on the edge of having
27:14
Speaker 1: a really good laugh and a joke or a little
27:17
Speaker 1: bit of you know, like a little bit of orgasm,
27:20
Speaker 1: or really a good hot pizza in Chicago. It really
27:24
Speaker 1: put well that doctor hold on a moment cocaine. It's
27:29
Speaker 1: not like having a pizza. Okay, what the hey are
27:32
Speaker 1: you saying? It's a really good pizza in Chicago. If
27:35
Speaker 1: it were like having a pizza in Chicago, it wouldn't
27:38
Speaker 1: be illegal. Okay, the whole city of Chicago would be
27:41
Speaker 1: shut down. That's deep dish pizza territory. So you gotta
27:45
Speaker 1: help me out here. If it's like having a pizza,
27:48
Speaker 1: it would not be illegal. But the flood and the
27:50
Speaker 1: rush in your head, it gives you a chill under
27:54
Speaker 1: your your your throat, and and it gives you warmth
27:58
Speaker 1: across your should holders and it makes her muscles relax,
28:03
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like being tickled with a twelve
28:09
Speaker 1: volte car battery. So you're creeping me out just a
28:12
Speaker 1: little bit. Okay. The thing is, you can't od on pizza,
28:16
Speaker 1: all right, You can o D and die on cocaine.
28:19
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So she still had point
28:23
Speaker 1: five grams when they got in her bag, but she
28:27
Speaker 1: had already snorted up. So in light of that, she
28:32
Speaker 1: had already used up part of it. Where does that
28:36
Speaker 1: land her? Well? Right, I think it makes her unreasonable
28:43
Speaker 1: in her her opportunity to make thoughts and decisions. If
28:49
Speaker 1: she had another point five grams, or if she had
28:53
Speaker 1: a graham, she would be impaired and she shouldn't be driving.
28:56
Speaker 1: So that m maroney. You do know the twins are
29:00
Speaker 1: headed to middle school. Children got to middle school at
29:03
Speaker 1: age eleven. And you want this crackhead in the carpool line.
29:10
Speaker 1: I mean you seem to be going easy on her. Well,
29:14
Speaker 1: the only thing the first thing I want to do
29:16
Speaker 1: is I want to get her out of the line,
29:18
Speaker 1: And the second thing I want to do is get
29:19
Speaker 1: her to rehab and get her help. She needs to
29:22
Speaker 1: go to rehab. I mean, if she had had the
29:26
Speaker 1: cocaine and several glass sine packets, that would suggest she
29:29
Speaker 1: was trying to distribute her sell it. That's not what
29:32
Speaker 1: they found. She is an addict. So if the state
29:35
Speaker 1: can order rehab in lockdown, that would work. That would
29:41
Speaker 1: work better than jail. Actually, when you go to jail
29:44
Speaker 1: as opposed to rehab, what are your chances of reoffending?
29:47
Speaker 1: I mean, you at least do dry out in jail.
29:50
Speaker 1: Here's what we have. We have a tremendous effort, especially
29:53
Speaker 1: in the last two or three years, to grow drug
29:56
Speaker 1: courts so people that get stuck in this position don't
30:01
Speaker 1: just get locked up, but they're given a choice that
30:04
Speaker 1: they go to jail and they get oriented, and then
30:06
Speaker 1: we give them the chance to go to a clinic
30:09
Speaker 1: that has a collaboration with the court system. Usually the
30:13
Speaker 1: Supreme courts and the courts of every state have designated
30:17
Speaker 1: counties with drug courts, and you're allowed to go. I
30:22
Speaker 1: appreciate the whole thing about rehab, Dr Maroney, but for
30:25
Speaker 1: snorting up in the car pool line, I think she
30:27
Speaker 1: needs to at least do a year behind bars. Mmmmm
30:31
Speaker 1: mmmmmm mmmmmm did that even sound remotely like here she
30:37
Speaker 1: comes Miss America. Now. The last time that I actually
30:41
Speaker 1: tried to sing it, when I would give Lucy a
30:44
Speaker 1: bath at night and get her all dressed up in
30:47
Speaker 1: her nice fresh claim pajamas and her pull ups and
30:51
Speaker 1: do her hair. Every time she would come out into
30:55
Speaker 1: the den, I would sing, here she comes to Miss America. Okay,
30:59
Speaker 1: I haven't say that in a really long time, and
31:02
Speaker 1: because she asked me to quit. But that's neither here
31:05
Speaker 1: nor there. But long story short, Mrs America and Shop
31:12
Speaker 1: NBC star host is facing five years in the can,
31:19
Speaker 1: five years behind bars after she's busted for allegedly stealing
31:25
Speaker 1: nearly six thousand dollars from Macy's and a price tag
31:31
Speaker 1: switch scheme. What okay, Alan Deep, what happened? This lady
31:39
Speaker 1: Jennifer klein Uh apparently has quite a closet full of clothes,
31:44
Speaker 1: and so she would go to Macy's and she would
31:47
Speaker 1: buy some expensive designer stuff, take it home, take the
31:50
Speaker 1: tags off, and then put the new tags on her
31:54
Speaker 1: old clothes, which maybe should have gone to goodwill anyway.
31:57
Speaker 1: And she took him back to Macy's and say, I
32:00
Speaker 1: just bought these from you see the tags, Now give
32:03
Speaker 1: me a refund on my credit card. Uh. And I
32:06
Speaker 1: don't know how long she's been doing it, but they
32:08
Speaker 1: caught her finally. They caught her on two separate occasions,
32:12
Speaker 1: returning what would have been on the price tag more
32:14
Speaker 1: than five thousand dollars worth of close because the clerks
32:17
Speaker 1: realized this is dirty, this is not new. And not
32:21
Speaker 1: only that, but she had torn the actual brand names,
32:26
Speaker 1: the designer names off of the clothes she was returning,
32:29
Speaker 1: so they couldn't identify them. How did she think she
32:31
Speaker 1: would get away? Okay, Karen start, Karen start joining me,
32:36
Speaker 1: renowned psychologists out of New York. Karen, you know, I'm
32:41
Speaker 1: unhappy for the um detectives, the in house detectives, the
32:47
Speaker 1: cashiers that noticed that the tags were torn out. I mean,
32:51
Speaker 1: if I try to return something, it's like wham bam,
32:53
Speaker 1: thank you man, I'm in and out of target. Nobody
32:55
Speaker 1: even looks at me. But here they took the time
32:58
Speaker 1: to notice the tags had been removed, probably because they
33:02
Speaker 1: had seen this woman on so many returns before, so
33:08
Speaker 1: when she came in they probably looked at each other
33:10
Speaker 1: and oh, here she comes. Here, it comes Miss America again.
33:13
Speaker 1: With a return of some dirty and used clothing. I'm
33:18
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna hold that that's another can of worms.
33:20
Speaker 1: But let me ask you this, Karen, you know, and
33:24
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, But Karen, you know her closet
33:27
Speaker 1: is about as big as our den and is probably
33:32
Speaker 1: lined with beautiful clothes. Why did she have to have
33:37
Speaker 1: more clothes? And she's a host at Shop INNBC, so
33:41
Speaker 1: she could probably get some kind of a discount on
33:43
Speaker 1: everything they sell. Think about this, Nancy, how many times
33:47
Speaker 1: do we hear about stories like this in the news?
33:50
Speaker 1: Best Myerson comes to mind, and Winona Ryder when she
33:54
Speaker 1: was going into sacks and cutting off the tags and
33:58
Speaker 1: stealing the clothes with all that money. So it has
34:01
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the reality of what she actually
34:05
Speaker 1: has in this situation. It's much more about psychologically speaking, deprivation.
34:12
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if you try to tell me she has
34:15
Speaker 1: a psychotic break, I will reach through this microphone and
34:19
Speaker 1: reach out, and I don't know what I'm gonna do,
34:22
Speaker 1: Maybe twist your ear. I'm not sure what she was doing,
34:26
Speaker 1: but had no impulse control to stop it. And in
34:29
Speaker 1: these cases, it's much more about having a psychological condition
34:34
Speaker 1: of being of depression or anxiety and having experienced some
34:39
Speaker 1: kind of a loss or feeling of deprivation and a
34:42
Speaker 1: need to steal to make up for that loss when
34:45
Speaker 1: she doesn't have deprivation. Aren't Harris, She's not America. For
34:50
Speaker 1: Pete's sake. You said deprivation. I heard you, but not
34:54
Speaker 1: What we're Karen is saying is that her closet was
34:57
Speaker 1: full of closed, but her heart was empty and needed something. Okay,
35:03
Speaker 1: can you cut his mind right now? You know? But
35:06
Speaker 1: that her closet was full, but her heart was empty.
35:10
Speaker 1: Why is she any different, Art Harris, than some teen girls? Not?
35:17
Speaker 1: Let's just throw in a teen girl minority. I don't
35:20
Speaker 1: believe your aunt Harris that marches into Macy's and stuffs
35:25
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff in her backpack so she can
35:28
Speaker 1: wear it to high school the next day and she's busted.
35:32
Speaker 1: How is she any different? And you two are talking
35:35
Speaker 1: about her heart is empty? What right? You better get
35:40
Speaker 1: a hold of yourself year old mother of two? And
35:43
Speaker 1: she returned the wrong items after which makes it worse too,
35:48
Speaker 1: connivingly cut off the designer labeled and switched them out
35:53
Speaker 1: and returned dirty close. That is, you know, if it
35:58
Speaker 1: would be sad if it wasn't last. But it's a crime,
36:01
Speaker 1: and she's now be in charge of fraud and faces, aren't.
36:07
Speaker 1: You're the one that said her closet is full, but
36:09
Speaker 1: her heart is empty. Now when I call you on
36:12
Speaker 1: your b S, yeah I said it, b S. You
36:15
Speaker 1: suddenly are now taking your your back peddling. You're swimming
36:19
Speaker 1: backwards as fast as you can. That's not like you.
36:23
Speaker 1: What you don't want to be part of bringing down
36:25
Speaker 1: Mrs America for someone who obviously it should be a
36:29
Speaker 1: walking symbol of what is doing the right thing. And
36:37
Speaker 1: this is yeah, this is, you know, a tragedy. And
36:40
Speaker 1: we don't know what is going on internally with this woman,
36:43
Speaker 1: but it is a crime. And can I ask you
36:47
Speaker 1: a question? Why are you you two? You know what?
36:51
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Joe Scott Morgan, Not that I
36:53
Speaker 1: need a death scene investigator on this one, but Joe
36:56
Speaker 1: Scott um, why are we so worried about what? Not me,
37:01
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. But why are Karen Stark
37:04
Speaker 1: and Aunt Harris an Emmy Award winning reporter, I might add,
37:11
Speaker 1: why are they so worried about her feelings? She is
37:15
Speaker 1: a thief. Let me tell you this. Uh, her heart
37:19
Speaker 1: might be empty, but let me tell you whose briefcase
37:22
Speaker 1: is full. The briefcase of the d A that's prosecuting
37:25
Speaker 1: this case. They're gonna have all kinds of evidence in
37:27
Speaker 1: this case. Can I tell you something? Hold on, You're
37:30
Speaker 1: gonna love this. She reportedly had hundreds hundreds of tags
37:36
Speaker 1: and equipment to change the tags. And I guess what
37:39
Speaker 1: they mean by that is the equipment that you put
37:42
Speaker 1: those little plastic chords onto that you have to bite
37:46
Speaker 1: off your children's clothes because you can't find the scissors.
37:49
Speaker 1: Or is that just me? Those things? She had all
37:51
Speaker 1: the equipment, I guess she got it from Shop NBC
37:56
Speaker 1: to put on the fake tags. Please, but it is conscious.
38:01
Speaker 1: We we understand that she knew what she was doing.
38:03
Speaker 1: My question was to Joe Scott Morgan, and my question
38:07
Speaker 1: was why as Carrick start renowned psychologists from New York
38:12
Speaker 1: and Aunt Harris Emmy Award winning reporters so worried about
38:16
Speaker 1: what's going on in her brain? It's to me, it
38:18
Speaker 1: makes it worse that she's a mother of two. I
38:21
Speaker 1: can't speak to to caring our art state of mina
38:24
Speaker 1: you know, But I can't can't. I can't say. I
38:29
Speaker 1: can't say that what we have here, what we have
38:32
Speaker 1: here is definitely a pattern of behavior. This is something
38:36
Speaker 1: that the d A is gonna is gonna present because
38:39
Speaker 1: she has she has put forth in her mind. She's
38:43
Speaker 1: established this pattern simply by her the evidence that she
38:47
Speaker 1: that was found in her possession and this pattern of
38:50
Speaker 1: activity that she this is something she's practiced at and
38:54
Speaker 1: that she set forth to do this, and she's entering
38:57
Speaker 1: into some kind of criminal enterprise here, and Lord only
38:59
Speaker 1: knows how long she's been doing it. Um, Yeah, I
39:03
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, you know, I don't know
39:05
Speaker 1: if she was you know, neglected as a child or
39:08
Speaker 1: whatever the case. Yeah, she she has that. That's not
39:10
Speaker 1: gonna matter when she gets into court, though, that's not
39:13
Speaker 1: gonna We've done a lot of research and a lot
39:15
Speaker 1: of field work on this, and I'm proud to say
39:17
Speaker 1: that Alan do the Deep joining us from Hollywood right now,
39:21
Speaker 1: has done extensive research on Macy's return policy. And why
39:26
Speaker 1: is that important? Because Macy has this incredibly lenient and
39:31
Speaker 1: generous return policy, and the defense in this case of
39:35
Speaker 1: Mrs America. Here she comes is blaming Macy's. They're saying
39:41
Speaker 1: Macy's is the bad guy. Alan did the Klein's defense
39:45
Speaker 1: lawyer has said that, yes, she made a dumb mistake,
39:48
Speaker 1: but it was Macy's fault for having that easy return policy.
39:52
Speaker 1: But here's the news. Since this happened, Macy's Worldwide has
39:57
Speaker 1: changed their policy. It used to be could get something
40:00
Speaker 1: and return at any time in the future. I could
40:03
Speaker 1: return that old polyester suit my mom got me in
40:07
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two if that policy was still in place.
40:10
Speaker 1: But now they require all returns in one year. One year,
40:15
Speaker 1: so you can't do that anymore. So they change their
40:18
Speaker 1: policy all because of this woman. That's well. They The
40:22
Speaker 1: main thing is it's estimated that retailers, because of these
40:25
Speaker 1: kind of policies, lose about nine to sixteen billion dollars
40:31
Speaker 1: a year. Nine that's billion with a Macy's has been
40:35
Speaker 1: shutting down hundreds of stores around the country because they're
40:39
Speaker 1: losing money, and that is one of the reasons. So
40:42
Speaker 1: this is a pageant winner. Mrs America Mrs Minnesota TV
40:50
Speaker 1: host on the Shop NBC or Vine Live program, Karen starts,
40:56
Speaker 1: since you're so concerned about her inner emptiness, I think
41:00
Speaker 1: that's what you said. Can I ask you? Do you Karen?
41:03
Speaker 1: And I I must admit I have been in Karen's
41:06
Speaker 1: posh apartment in New York City more than once, and uh, Karen,
41:12
Speaker 1: can I ask you a question? In your home? Do
41:16
Speaker 1: you have like Mrs America, do you have a supply
41:20
Speaker 1: of plastic tag holders and the equipment to attach price
41:23
Speaker 1: tags to clothing? I think it's pretty ingenious that she
41:26
Speaker 1: came up with that idea. I'm gonna take that as
41:29
Speaker 1: a no that you don't have that at all. I
41:33
Speaker 1: don't know I don't have that. And if I leave
41:36
Speaker 1: a store and there's a tag that they forgot to
41:39
Speaker 1: take off, I really have to bring it back because
41:42
Speaker 1: you can't get those off. Do you know that for
41:45
Speaker 1: a fact? Here? And have you tried to get him
41:47
Speaker 1: off without the buzzer going off? Because every time John,
41:49
Speaker 1: Dave and Lucy and I leave Target, the buzzer goes
41:51
Speaker 1: off and we have to turn around and go have
41:55
Speaker 1: them fix it. There's always one of those things left
41:58
Speaker 1: on whatever I buy when try to leave. But this
42:02
Speaker 1: woman had beat that. She had beaten that with her
42:05
Speaker 1: plan because she had legitimately buy the clothes and they
42:09
Speaker 1: were from what I correct me if I'm wrong, Art
42:12
Speaker 1: Harris and Alan Deep. But two items equaled five thousand
42:17
Speaker 1: dollars plus. So she's buying really excusing stuff. Yeah really,
42:22
Speaker 1: I mean the people like the dresses you wore on
42:26
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, Nancy, They're not cheap. Now she goes.
42:29
Speaker 1: And not only that, but police found twenty four other
42:33
Speaker 1: items in a search of her home that she supposedly returned.
42:38
Speaker 1: So this was an ongoing criminal enterprise. Who knows if
42:42
Speaker 1: they're gonna expand it to Rico, but at least she doesn't.
42:45
Speaker 1: She's not printing money and has the Treasury Department on
42:49
Speaker 1: her for counterfeiting. So so this is a way to
42:52
Speaker 1: get make money without the onus and onerous uh threat
42:57
Speaker 1: of more serious prosecution. Fortunately, so you know, ingenious, devious
43:03
Speaker 1: uh and and a client. Well she may be used
43:06
Speaker 1: to designer clothes, but it's orange jumpsuits from here on out,
43:11
Speaker 1: Mrs America. Orange is the new black, Nancy. Well there
43:16
Speaker 1: you heard it. Orange is the new black. Okay, thanks
43:19
Speaker 1: Aren't Harris for that groundbreaking information? Nancy Gray's crime Stories,
43:23
Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,