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BREAKING VIDEO EXCLUSIVE: SUSPECT ALLEGEDLY LOADING TEEN'S BODY, LURED ONLINE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: According to police, missing Miranda, just sixteen years old, just
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Speaker 2: turned sixteen, has been dismembered after being lured by a
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Speaker 2: social media themed breaking Tonight, we have obtained video of
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Speaker 2: the suspect allegedly transporting this child's body to dispose of it.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us.
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Speaker 3: A young Florida team disappears on Valentine's Day after an
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Speaker 3: alleged date with a mystery man from a dating app.
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Speaker 2: A mystery man on a dating app. The girl just
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Speaker 2: turned sixteen. I'll get into that later, but right now,
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Speaker 2: straight out to the scene.
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Speaker 1: Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, private investigator, founder of Crispin Special Investigations, former
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Speaker 2: Federal Task Force officer for the US Department of Justice
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Speaker 2: DEA Miami Field Division, former homicide and former Crimes against
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Speaker 2: Children investigator. Robert, Thank you for being with us. Tell
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Speaker 2: me what you have learned.
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Speaker 4: So Nancy, I'm actually coming to you from twenty seven eight,
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Speaker 4: twenty seventh Avenue North in Saint Petersburg. The house behind
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Speaker 4: me is the house where police believe that Miranda Corset
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Speaker 4: was kidnapped and brutally murdered back in February. That door
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Speaker 4: right there was the gray door on the bottom was
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Speaker 4: the last door that police believed that Miranda walked through
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Speaker 4: before she died during that timeframe.
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we are learning right now. But straight out to
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin. Robert, this is what I need to understand.
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Speaker 2: Let me see that house behind you again. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're looking at a beautiful neighborhood, tree line, gorgeous lawns,
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Speaker 2: everything kept in order. How did this happen? I want
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Speaker 2: to hear about the structure, who lived there?
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Speaker 1: What more? Do you know? Have you been inside? Robert So?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I actually had just come outside from the landlorder,
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Speaker 4: the owner who owns it, who gave me a tour
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Speaker 4: of the inside.
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Speaker 5: And it's a great neighborhood. It's in St. Pete, Florida.
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Speaker 4: Everyone's got manicured lawns, great residents. I've talked to a few,
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Speaker 4: but the people that lived in.
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Speaker 5: This house were anything but nice.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, I want to go through the photos that
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Speaker 2: you got from inside to structure. Let's see those New
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Speaker 2: York Control room now. Even though this is in a
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Speaker 2: lovely neighborhood. This is what we find inside. Robert Crispin
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Speaker 2: just getting us inside in the last hours. Now right now,
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Speaker 2: it looks like everything has been cleaned out. I noticed
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Speaker 2: bleach and cleaning materials everywhere.
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Speaker 1: But look at this.
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Speaker 2: Is this the last thing this little teen girl saw
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Speaker 2: before her death.
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Speaker 1: I mean, look at this place.
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Speaker 2: You'd have no idea from the outside what's going on
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Speaker 2: behind closed doors. According to police, this child just turned
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Speaker 2: sixteen was lured by a much older man in his
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Speaker 2: late thirties, where she was tortured for days, murdered, and
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Speaker 2: then dismembered inside this home. Robert, you have also obtained
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Speaker 2: video allegedly showing this online sicko that, according to police,
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Speaker 2: lured this teen girl, the sixteen year old girl, possibly beginning.
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Speaker 1: Of the Lauren when she was fifteen.
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Speaker 2: I want to see the video that Robert Crispin obtained.
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Speaker 1: Let's roll it.
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Speaker 2: You are seeing an adult male that we believe to
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Speaker 2: be the defendant going out with this child's body brazenly
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Speaker 2: front yard, putting the body of a little girl just
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Speaker 2: turned sixteen into his vehicle. I believe the trunk is
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Speaker 2: still up there. He is getting everything just right, making sure,
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Speaker 2: it's all hidden. Looks like the child is in a
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Speaker 2: blanket now, obviously having no concern someone could see him.
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Speaker 2: But according to Robert Crispin, this surveillance was obtained through
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Speaker 2: a neighbor's home surveillance system ring cam, allegedly showing the defendant,
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Speaker 2: the suspect, and he's not even in a rush.
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Speaker 1: Crispin.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that footage was obtained from that camera right
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Speaker 4: up there on the second floor, in that middle window,
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Speaker 4: looking straight down at the driveway. The suspect's door is
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Speaker 4: down below the second floor is another resident. So it's
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Speaker 4: a duplex up and down. Our suspect lived on the
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Speaker 4: bottom floor. But that ring camera right there is the
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Speaker 4: one that captured all that footage. That's the ring camera
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Speaker 4: that captured Miranda here on the fourteenth. That's the ring
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Speaker 4: camera that caught Miranda here on the fifteenth. That's the
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Speaker 4: ring camera that caught both Michelle and Stephen coming and
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Speaker 4: going from the house here. That is epic evidence, an
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Speaker 4: epic video.
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Speaker 2: Crispin, explain to me what I'm saying. On the additional video.
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Speaker 2: It looks like a female walking down the front walk
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Speaker 2: to the home.
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Speaker 1: When was this and what is it?
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Speaker 4: Right? So this video was actually obtained that shows on
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Speaker 4: the seventeenth of February that a neighbor came over and
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Speaker 4: was conversing with Steve at the front door. And you
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Speaker 4: can hear the audio and they're clearly having a conversation
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Speaker 4: and you hear Miranda's name, and then she turns and
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Speaker 4: walks away. It's later learned after that what the neighbor
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Speaker 4: saw was Miranda in the corner, curled.
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Speaker 5: Up in a ball, crying.
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Speaker 4: And it's believed to be in the photos that I
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Speaker 4: sent you from inside the crime scene, where the mop
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Speaker 4: is leaning against the wall, is where the neighbor potentially
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Speaker 4: saw Miranda curled up in a ball crying while standing
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Speaker 4: at the front door. And that's a shot that's just
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Speaker 4: filled up to the front door. Police believed, according to
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Speaker 4: sources out here, that Miranda was killed on a bed
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Speaker 4: that was inside that main room, just inside that front
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Speaker 4: door to the left. Hence why you see all that
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Speaker 4: latent fingerprint dust all over inside that crime scene, all
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Speaker 4: those black marks that's all laden fingerprint dust.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen and see if we can hear
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Speaker 2: on the audio what Robert Crispin is describing. Crispin I
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Speaker 2: think I hear what you're describing.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: The neighbor of the across the street, Caddy corner neighbor
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Speaker 2: comes over, according to what we're learning, is conversing with
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Speaker 2: Steve Griss, aged thirty seven, that police believe lure this
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Speaker 2: teen girl possibly starting at age fifteen online, along with
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Speaker 2: his live in Michelle Brandis, aged thirty five.
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Speaker 1: They're a pair straight out of hell, we learned. The
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Speaker 1: neighbor walks over and it is talking to them.
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Speaker 2: Here's the girl crying, not realizing what's going on, and
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Speaker 2: turns around and goes back home.
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Speaker 1: Is that your understanding, Crispin, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: That's my understanding. I think the video speaks for herself.
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Speaker 4: You know, it's what we learned after this horrific event
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Speaker 4: of what she actually saw on that video that day.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I want to go through again the photos that
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Speaker 2: we saw inside the home. You heard Crispin describing the
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Speaker 2: fingerprint dust. Look carefully at the walls, around the door entry,
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Speaker 2: around the light switches.
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Speaker 1: Let's see the pictures.
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Speaker 2: Crispin describe the fingerprint dust all over the walls.
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Speaker 1: Explain what that is.
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Speaker 4: So that's a latent fingerprint dust that's going to pick
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Speaker 4: up the oils on your skin.
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Speaker 5: It's kind of like any crime scene that you go to.
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Speaker 4: The perpetrator either takes something i e. Something he steals,
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Speaker 4: or he leaves something i e. His fingerprints or the
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Speaker 4: oil on his fingerprints that stays on the wall. And
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Speaker 4: this latent print dust allows a technician to go in
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Speaker 4: and dust it.
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Speaker 5: Finally with a.
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Speaker 2: With a little cart pull the camp there we're saying,
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Speaker 2: the mop against the wall.
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Speaker 1: What is the significance of that? Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 4: So, according to my sources out here, this is where
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Speaker 4: we believe the neighbor actually, while standing at the front door,
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Speaker 4: saw Miranda girled in a ball crying in that corner
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Speaker 4: before she walked back over to her house.
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Speaker 2: You know, when I look at it, unless you know
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Speaker 2: what you're seeing, you don't realize the significance of it.
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Speaker 2: And it's overwhelming that this little girl just turned sixteen,
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Speaker 2: just sixteen, spent her last hours, according to police, in
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Speaker 2: this hell hole, being held against her will by suspect
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Speaker 2: Stephen Griss, aged thirty seven, and his hinch person his
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Speaker 2: builds abub.
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Speaker 1: Straight out of hell.
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Speaker 2: Michelle brandis, of course, they're innocent until proven guilty. These
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Speaker 2: are just allegations. If you don't mind, Robert, I'd like
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Speaker 2: to look at the video with you one more time,
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Speaker 2: not of the neighbor, but of the suspect carrying out
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Speaker 2: what we believe to be this little girl's body. Miranda
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Speaker 2: Corsette just turned sixteen years old.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's some pretty compelling video right there.
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Speaker 4: Allegedly that's Miranda, and she's going in the trunk of
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Speaker 4: that car, and that kind of fits with the story
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Speaker 4: of where Miranda was then transported over to another location
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Speaker 4: where she was dismembered and then put into a dumpster
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Speaker 4: close by in a town called Largo, Florida.
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Speaker 2: Robert, what do police believe was her mode of death?
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Speaker 5: The cause of death, from what we're learning from law enforcement.
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Speaker 6: Is asphyxiation.
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Speaker 4: Exphyxiation how by wrapping Miranda's face in cellophane tape and
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Speaker 4: cellophane wrap, thus not allowing her to breathe life into
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Speaker 4: her little body anymore.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Griss, nearly forty years old, after having allegedly lured
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Speaker 2: a teen girl online, asphyxiating her in the cruelest way,
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Speaker 2: taking her lifeless body to his vehicle and putting it
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Speaker 2: in his trunk. You don't think this is going to
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Speaker 2: be State's Exhibit number one. Where was his lover, Michelle
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Speaker 2: brandis what looking out the window cleaning up the scene.
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Speaker 2: We don't know yet. Both of these are allegations. All
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Speaker 2: of this allegations. These are just suspects right now. But
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Speaker 2: I tell you what if NASA can do it, soak
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Speaker 2: in the Sainte PD blowing this up and lightening it
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Speaker 2: up to get a look at the face on this guy.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is States Exhibit number one.
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Speaker 1: Now. Isn't it true, Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 2: That this girl allegedly died not just by asphyxiation, but
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Speaker 2: by having a pool ball, a cue ball, a billiard
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Speaker 2: ball forced into her mouth, forced into her mouth. Think
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Speaker 2: about that, a pool ball, an eight ball in her mouth,
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Speaker 2: all the way in her mouth, then her face wrapped
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Speaker 2: with cellophane.
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Speaker 1: And she gagged and died that way. Isn't that the allegation, Crispin?
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Speaker 5: That is the allegation.
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Speaker 4: That is what has been purported by law enforcement. And
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Speaker 4: what a horrible, horrible way to die for a sixteen
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Speaker 4: year old.
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Speaker 5: Beautiful little girl.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Breaking tonight in the disappearance and we believe the murder
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Speaker 2: of a little girl just turned sixteen, Miranda Corset. We
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Speaker 2: have just obtained as we go to air, stunning video evidence.
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Speaker 2: Here we believe the defendant, the suspect, Stephen Cress, aged
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Speaker 2: thirty seven, carrying the body wrapped in material of a
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Speaker 2: sixteen year old little girl, Miranda Corset, to his vehicle,
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Speaker 2: placing her in the trunk, slamming the trunk. I guarantee
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Speaker 2: you that Canine's cadaver dogs are being brought out for
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Speaker 2: hits on the trunk as we go to air to
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Speaker 2: determine if in fact what we see in this video
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Speaker 2: is a human body. In a few moments, we'll show
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Speaker 2: you video we have obtained of the co defendant Gress's
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Speaker 2: live in Michelle Brandis h thirty five, hopping in the
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Speaker 2: car like they're going to McDonald's and off they go
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Speaker 2: with a body in the trunk, a body of a
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Speaker 2: teen girl. I've got a teen girl and a teen boy.
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Speaker 2: When I look at this, I feel sick. I'm going
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Speaker 2: to reach into this camera bah and grab him by
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Speaker 2: the neck and his girlfriend too. All of these are
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Speaker 2: allegations at this juncture. They are innocent until proven guilty.
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Speaker 2: In a court of law by a jury of their peers.
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Speaker 2: But if this allegation is true, I don't know where
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Speaker 2: you're going to find a jury of their peers unless
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Speaker 2: you go straight to Hell to get them. Joining me
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Speaker 2: an All Star panel in addition to Robert Crispin joining
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Speaker 2: us at the scene. Who is canvas in the neighborhood?
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Speaker 2: Gone inside the home and found where we believe this
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Speaker 2: little girl spent her last hours curled.
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Speaker 1: Up in a ball, crying in the corner.
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Speaker 2: Now the inside of that home covered in black, It
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Speaker 2: looks like soot, Its fingerprint, powder to pick up every
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Speaker 2: trace of the victim. Overwhelming again, joining me in addition
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Speaker 2: to Robert Crispin at the scene with Crispin Special Eventstigations
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Speaker 2: an All Star panel.
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Speaker 1: First of all, this is where it all starts. Listen.
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Speaker 7: Miranda Corsett is known to her family as a spunky tomboy,
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Speaker 7: taking karate to keep up with her older brother David.
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Speaker 7: When Miranda tragically loses both of her parents, she moves
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Speaker 7: in with her grandmother in Gulfport, Florida.
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Speaker 3: Miranda's grandmother is happy to see the team getting ready
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Speaker 3: for a Valentine's date. Miranda is excited to go out
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Speaker 3: after the date, drops Miranda off her mood, leaves her
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Speaker 3: grandmother to believe Miranda had a great time.
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Speaker 2: Just imagine what this child has already gone through. Joining
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Speaker 2: me an all star panel, but for a straight out
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Speaker 2: to high profile psychoanalyst, doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from La,
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Speaker 2: author of deal Breakers, and you can see her now
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Speaker 2: on peacock. She's at doctor Bethanymarshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Bethany.
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Speaker 2: This is exactly the kind of child that predators prey upon.
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Speaker 2: She suddenly, as a girl, loses both her parents at once,
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Speaker 2: moves in with Grandma.
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Speaker 1: Looking for love, looking for.
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Speaker 2: Acceptance, and she finds it online, not really understanding at
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Speaker 2: first that she's communicating with a thirty seven year old
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Speaker 2: man living with the witch from Hell. She had no
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Speaker 2: idea when she first started communicating online and.
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Speaker 1: Was lured Nancy.
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Speaker 8: She is the perfect victim for somebody like this. And
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Speaker 8: if this alleged crime is true, I think what happened
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Speaker 8: is there's this lovely grandmother. She's taking care of the grandchild.
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Speaker 8: That's true of so many grandparents in the United States
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Speaker 8: when their grandchildren lose the parents, and so she's taking
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Speaker 8: care of this grandchild, and she's thrilled that the grandchild
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Speaker 8: is going out on a date. And what that tells
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Speaker 8: me is that the perpetrator was grooming her. That this
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Speaker 8: little girl was thrilled to be going out and getting
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Speaker 8: the height of attention that she was about to get,
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Speaker 8: which tells me too that he was probably showering her
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Speaker 8: with attention online and maybe even pretending he was somebody
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Speaker 8: that he wasn't.
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Speaker 2: When I hear doctor Bethany talking about this child seeking
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Speaker 2: acceptance online and finding it, we believe with thirty seven
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Speaker 2: year old Stephen, gress is very upsetting.
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Speaker 1: And she's right.
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Speaker 2: She's right, to Tanya Jordan, chief Parent Officer bart Parental Controls,
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Speaker 2: author of Parenting in a Tech World, this child probably
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Speaker 2: had no idea at first who she's communicating with.
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Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, and that's why we mean him so
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Speaker 9: hard to helping parents to get a word when predators
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Speaker 9: are contacting their children.
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Speaker 1: No idea at the get go.
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Speaker 2: And we hear to Susan Hendricks, joining US journalist author
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Speaker 2: of Down the Hill, my descended to the double murder
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Speaker 2: in Delphi, Susan Hendricks, the reality is that when the
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Speaker 2: child first starts communicating online and our children on their
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Speaker 2: phones on social media all the time. We don't know
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Speaker 2: who they're communicating with. And it breaks my heart for
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Speaker 2: the grandmama to say that she was happy that Miranda
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Speaker 2: had a little date for Valentine's unbeknown to her.
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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to her, it was with this freak.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and they're so good at it, Nancy luring these
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Speaker 10: girls in. I have a fifteen year old daughter as well.
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Speaker 10: It's terrifying, the Chief of Police Saint Petersburg said in
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Speaker 10: a press conference when he said, let's take a pause here. Parents,
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Speaker 10: try to know what your kids are doing online. This
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Speaker 10: is a warning. This guy, if it's him, Stephen, was
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Speaker 10: good at it and look at the results. Absolutely terrifying.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at this and I just can't
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Speaker 2: help but think of my children and the callous way
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Speaker 2: this child is being loaded into a trunk.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now she is going by.
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Speaker 2: Adrian lived next door to the suspects, Stephen Gress and
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Speaker 2: Michelle brandis Adrian.
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Speaker 1: This has got to.
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Speaker 2: Send chills down your spine because Adrian, it's my understanding
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Speaker 2: that on more than one occasion he harassed you as well.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, yep, so I wasn't there for very long.
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Speaker 12: I was warned about him when I moved in by
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Speaker 12: my lovely neighbor who lived upstairs from him, not the
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Speaker 12: current one, but the previous one. So I was warned,
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Speaker 12: and you know, I kind of minded my own business,
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Speaker 12: kept my wits about me.
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Speaker 2: What was the warning, I'm curious, Adrian, what was the
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Speaker 2: warning about him?
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Speaker 1: What were you told?
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Speaker 4: So?
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Speaker 12: I was told that he had a very in depth
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Speaker 12: criminal past, he had been in jail, and he was
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Speaker 12: just not not a good person. So yeah, that kind of,
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Speaker 12: you know, set off some alarms with me, and you know,
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Speaker 12: he was respectful towards me.
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Speaker 11: Until he wasn't. What happened, So I had accidentally backed
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Speaker 11: into a car when I first moved in, and so
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Speaker 11: I left my name and my number on the car, saying, hey,
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Speaker 11: I live right here, give me a call. We can
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Speaker 11: figure it out. I hit your car.
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Speaker 12: So instead of the driver of the vehicle reaching out
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Speaker 12: to me, Steve took my number off of the vehicle
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Speaker 12: and proceeded to text me with very explicit, unsolicited sexual advances.
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Speaker 11: And that was, you know, the beginning of everything.
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Speaker 12: And when I declined those advances and told him to
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Speaker 12: leave me alone and never contact me again.
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Speaker 11: He did not listen, and he continued to come to.
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Speaker 12: My house at midnight to deliver mail to me that
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Speaker 12: was in his box, and instead of just putting it
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Speaker 12: into my box, he would knock on my door and
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Speaker 12: kind of you know, look around and wanted to talk
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Speaker 12: to me. So he did that a couple of times
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Speaker 12: before I even you know, had the issue with the car.
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Speaker 12: So he continued to harass me and come to my
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Speaker 12: property when I had asked him not to, and I
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Speaker 12: told him if you know, if he did it again,
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Speaker 12: if he didn't stay away from me, that I'd be
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Speaker 12: getting the police involved. And he didn't like that very much,
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Speaker 12: responded with a pretty nasty text message back to me,
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Speaker 12: and I decided it was time to call the police,
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Speaker 12: and they had responded very well to my call.
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Speaker 2: Do you understand, Adrian, I don't know if you let
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Speaker 2: yourself think about this, that could be you wrapped in
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Speaker 2: that blank I know, in that.
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Speaker 12: Trunk absolutely, And we had gotten in multiple altercations after
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Speaker 12: I had called the police as well, so that was
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Speaker 12: not an isolated event.
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Speaker 11: He had actually you know, after the police came.
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Speaker 12: And they went over and kind of put the fear
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Speaker 12: of God in him and told him to leave me alone.
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Speaker 12: And you know, so we had some beef after that,
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Speaker 12: and he actually I was helping his neighbor move out
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Speaker 12: one day while he was not home, and they shared
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Speaker 12: a driveway, so I was helping her move out because
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Speaker 12: of him.
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Speaker 11: She also had to move out because of him.
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Speaker 12: I was helping her move and he pulled back into
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Speaker 12: the driveway and started screaming at me, screaming obscenities, you know,
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Speaker 12: kind of getting in my face, and I had to
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Speaker 12: remove myself from that.
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Speaker 11: So, yeah, I think about that all the time. It
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Speaker 11: could have absolutely been me, for sure.
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Speaker 2: Adrian, you actually asked the question, quote, do I have
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Speaker 2: to either be physically assaulted or die in order for
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Speaker 2: this guy to have a single consequence for his actions?
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Speaker 1: That's correct? Is that how you felt at the time.
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Speaker 12: Yes, yes, because when I had called the police, they
23:48
Speaker 12: were wonderful by the way they really listened to me,
23:52
Speaker 12: and they urged me to get down to the police
23:55
Speaker 12: station to file an emergency restraining order against him because
23:59
Speaker 12: they knew how dangerous he was.
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Speaker 11: So I did that.
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Speaker 12: I filed all the appropriate paperwork, and shortly after that
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Speaker 12: I was denied the restraining order and That is when
24:10
Speaker 12: I was getting very fearful for my life because of
24:15
Speaker 12: that denial.
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Speaker 2: Why were you denied a restraining order on this guy?
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Speaker 12: The reason was that the courts decided that they could
24:24
Speaker 12: not get neighbors to get along with each other.
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Speaker 11: It was not the responsibility to make us get along.
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the judge that did that?
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Speaker 6: I do?
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Speaker 1: Whoo what judge?
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Speaker 11: I won't be sharing any names.
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Speaker 1: You're gonna make me go look it up in the
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Speaker 1: court records. I'm happy to the public record.
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Speaker 11: You can find it.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry, I'll find it.
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Speaker 2: Adrian, when you learned about the current allegations against your
24:50
Speaker 2: former neighbor, Stephen Griss, what went through your mind?
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Speaker 12: I was sick to my stomach because I knew how
24:56
Speaker 12: dangerous this man was, and I tried my to.
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Speaker 11: Get him out of that house.
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Speaker 12: You know, And I'm not the first woman who has
25:07
Speaker 12: broken their lease to get away from that man, but
25:11
Speaker 12: apparently I am the first woman who called and reported
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Speaker 12: him for it. So you know, I really wanted to
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Speaker 12: come on the show today to just My purpose is
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Speaker 12: to encourage women who are going through something like this,
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Speaker 12: if they're being harassed, if they're being assaulted, anything like that.
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Speaker 12: I know that we just want to get out of
25:31
Speaker 12: a situation as quickly as possible and not worry about it.
25:34
Speaker 12: But it's so important to look after one another, and
25:36
Speaker 12: it's so important to report it, because not only are
25:40
Speaker 12: you looking after yourself, but you're looking after the women
25:43
Speaker 12: who will be victims after you, because there will be
25:45
Speaker 12: victims after you.
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Speaker 2: In addition to the video of who we believe is
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Speaker 2: the defendant, Stephen gris h thirty seven, carrying the lifeless
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Speaker 2: body of this team girl too is tront we now
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Speaker 2: have video of the little girl just before her death,
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Speaker 2: walking around. That's Miranda on the right, walking around in
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Speaker 2: the front yard of the home.
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Speaker 1: Unbeknownst to her what is going to come.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, let's stay on the video because at some
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Speaker 2: juncture we see her really well. By blowing it up,
26:28
Speaker 2: here we go and I guarantee you prosecutors will have
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Speaker 2: this blown up and refined.
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Speaker 1: Little does she know what will befall her.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, explain what we're seeing and where did it
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Speaker 2: come from?
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Speaker 4: So again comes from that same ring camera right up
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Speaker 4: there on the second floor, from the resident who was upstairs.
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Speaker 4: These are images of Miranda walking around days before she's
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Speaker 4: brutally kidnapped.
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Speaker 5: And murdered by her captors.
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Speaker 4: These are some of the last images that anyone will
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Speaker 4: ever see of her alive.
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Speaker 5: Ever again.
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Speaker 2: You know what's disturbing to me to Sidney Sumner join
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Speaker 2: us Crime Stories investigative reporter, is that somehow this child
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Speaker 2: who we believe was dismembered, and we have reason to
27:21
Speaker 2: say that and either thrown in a dump or possibly
27:27
Speaker 2: even incinerated somehow, Sidney Sumner, much is being made of
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Speaker 2: this child, just turned sixteen, going to meet with a
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Speaker 2: Valentine date. She had no idea what was about to
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Speaker 2: befall her. Have you noticed that, Sidney.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, absolutely this teenage girl never thought that she would
27:51
Speaker 8: end up dead and dismembered just by going on a date.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, why do we believe that this child wants dismembered?
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Speaker 4: So it's beam purported by police that this is a
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Speaker 4: confession from the defendant that this happened, who then implemented
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Speaker 4: his girlfriend Michelle. So this allegedly is coming from the
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Speaker 4: horse's mouth.
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Speaker 2: Video of Miranda in her last hours before her death.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 7: March sixth less than twenty four hours after Stephen Gress's arrest,
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Speaker 7: an acquaintance gets the courage to call Saint Petersburg PD.
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Speaker 7: The tipster says, February twentieth, Michelle Brandis could not locate
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Speaker 7: her ring and accused Miranda of stealing it. Miranda denied
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Speaker 7: the accusation and told Branda's pew would help her look
28:38
Speaker 7: for it. The couple tied Miranda to a chair and
28:41
Speaker 7: beat her senseless. After several days of beatings, the couple
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Speaker 7: forces a billiard's ball into Miranda's mouth and then secures
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Speaker 7: it with plastic wrap around her face.
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Speaker 5: On the twenty at.
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Speaker 11: The house, there was some time of the spewed over
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Speaker 11: from this jewelry.
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Speaker 4: So fromentia to twenty four she port not fives in secured.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing from the police chief at Saint Petersburg BD.
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Speaker 2: There now let me understand to Susan Hendricks, joining us investigative,
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Speaker 2: a journalist and author, the suspect actually pointed a harpoon
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Speaker 2: gun at the live in. Police were called for that.
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Speaker 2: He was arrested on a domestic violence. Once he is
29:29
Speaker 2: arrested on domestic violence and the neighbors realize he's not
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Speaker 2: there a tip comes in about Miranda. How did that happen, Susan, Yes.
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Speaker 10: That's an excellent point to bring up the timeline he
29:42
Speaker 10: was arrested. They realized that and say, wait a minute,
29:45
Speaker 10: he's already in jail right now because of pointing a
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Speaker 10: harpoon at Michelle. The tip came in on the eighth,
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Speaker 10: two days later, was that there, of course, not saying
29:53
Speaker 10: who it was. Was it Michelle's mother? Whose home it
29:56
Speaker 10: was where the body was allegedly dismembered to the mother's home.
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Speaker 10: Did the tip come in from the mother? Did it
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Speaker 10: come from Michelle? And then when he was in court,
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Speaker 10: he was in court and he said, where all, why
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Speaker 10: isn't she arrested? I could see him pinning this on her.
30:10
Speaker 10: But yes, that tip came in two days after he
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Speaker 10: was arrested.
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Speaker 2: So the neighbors get the courage with him behind mars
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Speaker 2: on a domrail domestic relations to actually call about Miranda.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see those photos again. According to police,
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Speaker 2: this is the last thing that a teen girl just
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Speaker 2: turned sixteen sees before her death, him and hiss hnch
30:35
Speaker 2: person from hell. According to police, her Michelle brandis the
30:42
Speaker 2: psychopathy to doctor Bethony Marshall, renowned psychoanalyst. A woman going
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Speaker 2: along with the man and torturing, raping, murdering a little
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Speaker 2: girl in a few moments.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to show you the.
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Speaker 2: Video of her just running along like a little lap
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Speaker 2: dog and jumping in the car like they're going to
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Speaker 2: burger king and driving off with the little girl's body
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Speaker 2: and the trout for Pete's sake.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't get it.
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Speaker 2: How can you stand by and let that happen and
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Speaker 2: become part of it?
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, because she was interested in the crime.
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Speaker 8: They did not beat and torture her allegedly to death
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Speaker 8: because of a ring. Psychopaths do this because they get
31:26
Speaker 8: sexual pleasure from causing suffering, humiliation, and pain. This is
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Speaker 8: the emo for the crime. So I see that, I
31:36
Speaker 8: see him care allegedly carrying the body out right now,
31:39
Speaker 8: you know, Nancy, how he's carrying it is like somebody
31:42
Speaker 8: would carry dirty laundry that they're about to take to
31:44
Speaker 8: the laundromat. And this is very typical for these kinds
31:47
Speaker 8: of crimes that the victim is incredibly sexually interesting to
31:52
Speaker 8: the perpetrators until the victim is dead, and unless they're
31:56
Speaker 8: going to commit necrophilia or use the corpse in some way.
31:59
Speaker 8: All the energy has gone out. There's no interest there anymore.
32:02
Speaker 8: So all they want to do is just dismember and
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Speaker 8: get rid of this corps so they can go on
32:07
Speaker 8: to their next victim.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining me, renowned chief medical examiner Terran County.
32:13
Speaker 2: That's fort Worth. He is an esteemed lecturer at the
32:17
Speaker 2: Vernet School of Medicine at TCU and just launching a
32:21
Speaker 2: brand new podcast April seven, Mayhem in the Morgue. Here's
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Speaker 2: my concern, doctor Kendall Crowns. It's not your duty to
32:29
Speaker 2: know the law. Is your duty to perform autopsies as
32:33
Speaker 2: you do thousands of them. But doctor Kendall Crowns, a
32:37
Speaker 2: confession alone, under our jurisprudence is not enough for the
32:41
Speaker 2: state to move forward. A case cannot be made on
32:45
Speaker 2: only a confession. If this body has been dismembered and
32:51
Speaker 2: possibly even incinerated.
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Speaker 1: How can we prove the case.
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Speaker 2: And doesn't it require a great deal a physical effort
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Speaker 2: to execute a dismemberment.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's correct, Nancy. If they have actually succeeded in
33:11
Speaker 6: dismembering and incinerating the body, there may be no evidence
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Speaker 6: left to collect or to be able to determine and
33:18
Speaker 6: cause and manner of death. And without a body, you
33:21
Speaker 6: could just have someone that's mentally unstable confessing to a
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Speaker 6: crime they didn't commit. And it does take a great
33:28
Speaker 6: deal of physical effort to dismember a body, unless you're
33:31
Speaker 6: using like an electric saw, like a saws all or
33:34
Speaker 6: something of that nature to help you. If you're just
33:37
Speaker 6: using hand saws, it can take quite a bit of
33:40
Speaker 6: effort and quite a bit of time. So usually with
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Speaker 6: dismemberments we see electric tools used to help expediate the process.
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Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace, welcome back.
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Speaker 2: We are now showing you video we have just obtained
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Speaker 2: of this duo from Hell going out to the car
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Speaker 2: with the child's body and the trunk, apparently Robert Crispin.
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Speaker 2: They're loading up the car like they're going on a picnic.
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Speaker 2: I can only imagine what that is that the co defendant,
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Speaker 2: thirty five year old Michelle Brandis is taking into the car.
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Speaker 1: What am I seeing on the video? Robert?
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Speaker 4: So what you're seeing this particular part of the video
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Speaker 4: is several minutes after that.
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Speaker 5: We believe that Miranda.
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Speaker 4: Was put in the trunk by Steven and they both
34:39
Speaker 4: went back in the house. But then they both come
34:41
Speaker 4: back out and they're loading other things.
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Speaker 5: I don't know what they are, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: Are they fruits of the crime, are they more evidence
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Speaker 4: to conceal?
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: But that's Crystal Clare video of both Steve and Michelle
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Speaker 4: getting in that car, backing up and driving away.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer now joining us, Andrea
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Speaker 2: Lewis partner Sircey Law Firm in the Florida jurisdiction, former
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Speaker 2: felony prosecutor in Palm Beach. Andrea, thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 2: I wanted you to see all the video and hear
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Speaker 2: the discussion. I mean, this is a treasure trove of evidence.
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Speaker 2: Where will the state go first? My main concern right
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Speaker 2: now is finding any bit of DNA, any bit of
35:26
Speaker 2: tissue to prove that this child was dismembered. Of course,
35:30
Speaker 2: a case can't go forward with just a confession.
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Speaker 13: That's an excellent point, Nancy. And so fortunately here it
35:38
Speaker 13: sounds like from what investigators are saying, they may in
35:41
Speaker 13: fact have that. So this is truly a house of
35:45
Speaker 13: horrors where this young innocent child spent her last days.
35:50
Speaker 13: But what we know is that after they transported her
35:54
Speaker 13: body to Michelle's mother's home, that is where they allegedly
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Speaker 13: dismembered this poor young child. And what investigators have reported
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Speaker 13: is that there was quote unquote body matter that was
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Speaker 13: found in that home along with DNA, and that one
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Speaker 13: of Michelle's relatives was actually present during the dismemberment, although
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Speaker 13: they do note that she has disabled herself, so she
36:26
Speaker 13: may not have witnessed what occurred, but nevertheless, she may
36:30
Speaker 13: have some information to provide investigators.
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Speaker 2: Andrea Lewis, are you ever shocked in all the cases
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Speaker 2: you've seen, because it.
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Speaker 1: Never fails to throw me for a loop?
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Speaker 2: I mean here, I mean, do you see them, Andrea,
36:45
Speaker 2: You've prosecuted many, many major felonies before you went with Circe.
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Speaker 2: The way they're getting into this car, it's like they're
36:54
Speaker 2: running out to a picnic. Maybe they're gonna stop at
36:56
Speaker 2: KFC on the way for Pete's sake. They're casual, it'says
37:00
Speaker 2: if they are not worried about getting caught at all.
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Speaker 2: Chrispan agrees with that. They're loading up the car with
37:07
Speaker 2: all sorts of paraphernalia. I don't know what it is yet,
37:12
Speaker 2: but I will find out.
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Speaker 1: It's very commonplace. They're not worried at all.
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Speaker 2: They're not trying to conceal their faces. The right at
37:18
Speaker 2: the front walkway, for Pete's sake, there's a body in
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Speaker 2: the trunk.
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Speaker 9: Nancy, you know just as well as I do for
37:25
Speaker 9: many years as a prosecutor, that the defendant's demeanor while
37:31
Speaker 9: they're committing a crime speaks volumes about the person who's
37:35
Speaker 9: committing the crime and how comfortable they are in this
37:40
Speaker 9: criminal arena. With violent acts, you can often tell by
37:45
Speaker 9: analyzing a perpetrator while they're carrying out these horrific acts,
37:51
Speaker 9: whether they've done this before, whether they're comfortable with violence.
37:55
Speaker 9: In this man's case, what his overall feelings are just
37:59
Speaker 9: about women in general. He appears to, as we heard
38:02
Speaker 9: from Adrian, and then we see from this case, he
38:05
Speaker 9: appears to really look at them almost as a possession,
38:07
Speaker 9: something that's there for him, not another human, and that
38:11
Speaker 9: really speaks volumes about the type of person that he is,
38:14
Speaker 9: about what type of a potential psychopath here that he
38:19
Speaker 9: may in fact be it certainly seems like he is,
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Speaker 9: and what he's capable of.
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Speaker 2: To see these two minions from hell again.
38:29
Speaker 1: They look like they're going on a picnic.
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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, You see her, the co defendant who went
38:36
Speaker 2: on the run by the way, had to get her
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Speaker 2: in loading up as if they're going on a picnic.
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Speaker 1: Like I said, I mean, they have things slung over
38:47
Speaker 1: their shoulders. They're not in a hurry.
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Speaker 2: There is a child dead in the trunk and they
38:55
Speaker 2: know they are headed to a location to dismember her.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think we've all talked about this. The
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Speaker 4: mind of a criminal is not a mind. It's like
39:06
Speaker 4: we don't even understand what they're thinking and what they're
39:09
Speaker 4: going through. They're so far john, they're so far out
39:12
Speaker 4: in left field.
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Speaker 5: I don't even think.
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Speaker 4: They know what they're thinking at that point. And to
39:17
Speaker 4: try to reason with a murderer, try to reason with
39:20
Speaker 4: someone who's a criminal, it's so hard.
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Speaker 5: And that's why we have our psychologists.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of a psychoanalyst joining us from LA doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, it just you and I have covered so
39:32
Speaker 2: many cases for after a murder, the defense go for
39:36
Speaker 2: drive through, they go to waffle house, they go to
39:39
Speaker 2: ihop like nothing has happened, and that's how these two
39:43
Speaker 2: are acting. I mean, Bethany, my children have just turned seventeen.
39:49
Speaker 2: That's the age of this little girl. She just turned sixteen.
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Speaker 2: She is dead heading to dismemberment in the back of
39:58
Speaker 2: their car. I don't get their las a fear, their
40:02
Speaker 2: casual attitude.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, I do, because if you think of this
40:06
Speaker 8: type of alleged rape homicide as a compulsion, what we
40:10
Speaker 8: see with compulsions is that there's a buildup of anxiety, agitation,
40:16
Speaker 8: urgency to complete the compulsion, and then after that all
40:21
Speaker 8: the urgency dissipates until it builds back up again. So
40:24
Speaker 8: we see this with binging and purging or compulsive masturbating.
40:28
Speaker 8: We'll think about compulsive homicide. This guy, allegedly, if he
40:33
Speaker 8: committed the crime, has this urgency to torture.
40:37
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's hitting.
40:38
Speaker 8: Up all the women in the neighborhood. He's harassing, he's stalking,
40:42
Speaker 8: he's being misogynistic, he's compulsive.
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Speaker 11: When he finally finds.
40:46
Speaker 8: The victim, who, by the way, is the youngest one
40:49
Speaker 8: who cannot advocate for herself, who's being raised by a
40:53
Speaker 8: grandmother who bless her little heart is wearing a mid
40:56
Speaker 8: drift to what she believes is a date when you
40:59
Speaker 8: finally find that and he can unleash his fury and
41:03
Speaker 8: his sexual desire on her for days, then that the
41:07
Speaker 8: compulsion diminishes again until it builds back up again. So
41:11
Speaker 8: of course they're going to go through a drive through.
41:13
Speaker 1: They're going to go get a meal there.
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Speaker 8: That's why there's sauntering, Nancy. It's after the act and
41:20
Speaker 8: all that intensity of wanting to commit the crime has
41:24
Speaker 8: dissipated for a while.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything. As the
41:30
Speaker 2: state continues to build this case about the luring, the murder,
41:35
Speaker 2: and the dismemberment of this little girl, please dial seven
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Speaker 2: two seven eight nine three seven seven eight zero repeat
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Speaker 2: seven two seven eight nine three seven seven eight zero.
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Speaker 1: We remember an American.
41:54
Speaker 2: Hero police Officer, Gregory Maloney, Plymouth PD, passed away in
41:58
Speaker 2: the line of duty seven teen years of service. Survived
42:02
Speaker 2: by wife turned widow, Susan sons Gregory and Michael. American
42:08
Speaker 2: hero police officer Gregory Maloney. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,