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133: Terra Martin - Stop the Trauma Loop: Hypnosis, Sunlight & Subconscious Healing · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is
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going to be fun.
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Terra Martin: Happy to see you, Meredith.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,
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because you studied music and you were on the
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path to. Towards music composition and being a
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professional musician, and then you moved over
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into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about
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that transition and, like, what. What, if any,
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overlap there is in those areas?
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Terra Martin: Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to
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spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps
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getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra
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and then living on peanut butter and crackers the
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rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a
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passion for music. You love it, and do you want
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to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you
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a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,
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no, you're right. So then I moved to taking
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courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was
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going to choose that because to me, when I first
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heard those things and I listened to people
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speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's
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like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices
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as they say certain words and certain sentences.
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And I do this all the time when I'm listening to
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music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an
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easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I
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have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different
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way. So I did that, and then I came back to
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music, and now I own about six instruments. I
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haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have
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to be careful when I go on ebay.
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Meredith Oke: That's amazing. So your life is filled with music
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and in the traditional sense, but also you see
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your patients through the lens of a trained
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musician's ear.
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Terra Martin: Correct.
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Meredith Oke: So you were saying, like, you hear in their
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voices when they speak.
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Terra Martin: Well, for example, if they come into the office
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and one lady came in and she stood at the door
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and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right
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away it was grief, because I could hear. There's
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physical words you speak, but then there's an
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intonation. That's the music. And I heard that
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she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can
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cry. And then she burst into tears and came and
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did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my
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ear that told me what it was.
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Meredith Oke: So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,
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picks up emotions as though they're music under
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inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.
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Terra Martin: Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it
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became more honed because more clients, more
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time. Of course, you get really good at it. And
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even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without
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wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.
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I'm trying to work or anything, but it just
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became so overused that it's automatic.
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Meredith Oke: Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an
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incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As
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someone who sees clients or patients, how do you
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refer to them? Clients or patients?
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Terra Martin: I call them clients.
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Meredith Oke: Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of
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your job to understand where they are
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emotionally. You can just hear it.
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Terra Martin: I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money
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because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker
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they can go through a. Reckon, you know,
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recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,
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therapists don't change people. People change
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themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm
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a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the
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changer. They are.
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Meredith Oke: Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my
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coaching members used to say, you know, you can
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coach anybody on anything as long as they're
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coachable.
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Terra Martin: That's right.
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Meredith Oke: Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the
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contract.
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Terra Martin: That's right.
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Meredith Oke: So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the
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emotions as music are there certain. Because I
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know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you
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can tell when somebody is using words to say one
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thing, but the body language or the energy, or
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you can just tell, you feel that cognitive
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dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with
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how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,
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oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.
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Or even just telling a story as though it's no
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big deal. But you can feel like a gap between
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what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,
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in many different ways.
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Terra Martin: It takes about a paragraph because people have
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learned to hone their intonation like, you know,
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how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice
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package of sound bite for that. But going on with
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a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our
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natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,
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then there's a whole wealth of information. If
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you're listening to people not only for context,
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but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a
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whole wealth of information of, you know, if
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someone says, I really like my mother, well,
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guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally
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yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But
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intonation, there's something, Something there.
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There's some information there that can be
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unpacked.
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Meredith Oke: So have you noticed that there are different
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intonations for different types of emotions?
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Terra Martin: Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.
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There's a global intonation for anger, fear,
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guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because
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nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,
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nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's
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where it gets really interesting because it's
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like a different piece of music. It's
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combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound
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feel.
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Meredith Oke: Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're
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hearing them speak.
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Terra Martin: Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying
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something that's all of a sudden they speak very
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slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.
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The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're
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playing at one end of the piano versus the other
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end of the piano. They're trying to slow down
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something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or
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they're trying to speed it up to get past it.
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Because there's memories happening while they're
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speaking.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as
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you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds
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like a music teacher or a voice teacher when
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you're having the singer find the emotion in the
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song. But that's just what we're naturally doing
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as we speak all the time.
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Terra Martin: Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But
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we never kind of scientifically observe it. We
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never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I
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mean, even with myself, I know there's certain
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people that my intonation changes right away and
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I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling
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yourself something. Or there's other people that
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I don't really mind however it comes out or
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however I, however I say it. Like you're one of
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those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like
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her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever
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comes to mind.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.
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Because I have to say it's a little, you know,
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like when I talk to people and they're like,
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yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can
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see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not
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gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a
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podcast. But I always do wonder what they're
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seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my
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favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say
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anything, because you probably can. I've heard a
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lot of things over the years. Sometimes people
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will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or
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scared to say something, and they'll just tell it
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to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to
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tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.
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I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised
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at how we hold ourselves back from showing up
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authentically because, you know, I mean, there
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are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,
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true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just
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say the truth sometimes, aren't we?
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Terra Martin: We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where
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people mask their intonation. They kind of
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squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,
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very British, and her mother used to say to her
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all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise
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your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then
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she learned to shut down her intonation and,
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like, squeeze it so she would always sound
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practical, logical. And she took out all the
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adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So
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there was no. It was almost like there was no
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emotional content in her intonation. And when she
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came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people
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don't, you know, find me empathetic or
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communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,
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I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and
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say something. And it came out in best British,
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and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.
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And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was
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the training of her mother saying, don't raise
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your voice. So what she did internally was not
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raise her intonation and not let it flow with her
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content or sentences. So it's like she didn't
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have any of her emotions showing through, shining
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and showing through in her words to making them,
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you know, human.
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Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those
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people where it's like almost a monotone, right?
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Terra Martin: And that's their guarding what they feel. So it
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doesn't shine and shine through their words. But
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then you don't know. You don't touch the person.
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You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,
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because somebody or something at an event has
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occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit
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on their intonation.
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Meredith Oke: Because then there are people where it's like
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they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.
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Terra Martin: That's the people the other end, because they
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don't want to believe that they're so logical,
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practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So
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they exaggerate it the other way. Like all
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extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,
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you know, any absolute. There's something missing
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in the piece. There's something missing in the
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puzzle piece, right?
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Meredith Oke: Yeah. There are no absolutes.
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Terra Martin: No. Especially in quantum.
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Meredith Oke: Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We
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could talk the whole time about the voices. So
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tell me a little bit more about how you work. So
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your first clue with a client is auditory and
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then what unfolds?
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Terra Martin: Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but
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I don't know. You must know this. People hate
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writing down questions. It takes them forever. So
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then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,
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come to my office. Write five questions on
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anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning
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is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a
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student position? That's all it's about. I don't
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care what the question is. And then I need to
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know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where
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mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way
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I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have
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to give them the method. If they're when, I have
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to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have
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to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I
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want to get the quickest way in to. So that
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they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,
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and where as the. As the template.
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Meredith Oke: That is so interesting. I love that because
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something that comes up a lot in my coaching is
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how much information to give a client, how much
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to explain to them. And a lot of people who are
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drawn to study applied quantum biology love the
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information, and they love sharing the
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information. And their clients don't always love
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to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need
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to know, I need a certain amount of how in order
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to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.
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I've not heard this distinction before. So that's
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super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and
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a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess
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the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it
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works.
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Terra Martin: Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal
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with their future. They want to clear future
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hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,
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but might happen according to their logic. So
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then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep
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repeating the same behavior going forward, it's
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going to look like this. So that would be when.
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If you stop the behavior, the future can look
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like this. And I kind of open it as
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possibilities, different possibilities for that
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type of person. And they're very much on time.
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You know, they want to save time. So I'll use
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that motivation for them to go. To go there and
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do it. But you see, the reason I just divided
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everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding
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there was a pattern. People came that wanted,
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method only. People came that wanted, well, where
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will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I
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get? That's how I divided it into the four
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categories. Now it's general and some people are
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crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves
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quite a bit of time for them, right?
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Meredith Oke: Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct
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route, what will be most motivating or
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persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about
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the.
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Terra Martin: About the where in the where. It's events that
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have happened to people. The locations become the
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problem. So when someone has to know where's the
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exit and where is the bathroom and where is the
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front door, where's the. I know that there's kind
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of triggers around there. So I'll go in a
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different way. I won't go right for the exit or
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the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or
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something and say, what. Tell me about the middle
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of the room, what was there? And then I'll work
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my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a
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direction to work with them. If they've had, you
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know, different traumas or different. Just events
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that have happened that have caused them stress.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Terra Martin: So the where gives me that. So it's just
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isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of
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instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing
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it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that
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area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the
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most for their hour or two.
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Meredith Oke: Right, right. So they. They fill out the
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questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And
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you go from there using that sort of as a bit of
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a blueprint or guiding post.
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Terra Martin: And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,
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then I count the hows, I count the where's, I
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count the whens that are in it. And if there
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isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of
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person who's very general. So I know it could be
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a long haul unless I get them into using how,
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when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson
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for, for one week and then start. Right.
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Meredith Oke: Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.
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I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But
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the where, I'm like, I don't even know what
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you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to
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me. What do you mean, the exit?
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Terra Martin: I think you're pretty open to the world, so where
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wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.
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Meredith Oke: Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that
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because it was not always the case. All right,
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so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture
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for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,
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psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye
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movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral
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therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?
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Over two decades.
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Terra Martin: Over two decades, yes.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your
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impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it
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and where. I kind of want to go because this has
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been coming up a lot. I talked about it with
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Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,
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moved into an understanding of the deep, deep
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implications of trauma on a person and a person's
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behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and
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feel like it's like, oh, your child got
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traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?
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Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in
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my, but my experience personally and in many,
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many people over, that I've seen over the years
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in different situations has been that trauma is
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resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.
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But I want to start with how do you see trauma?
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Like, how do you explain it to people?
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Terra Martin: Basically, it's an event that happens, say when
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someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10
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years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.
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The subconscious does not let go and give the
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information to the conscious, doesn't feed it
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forward, because it wants to protect your logical
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mind so that you can go about your day to day
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activity. So it withholds the information and it
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doesn't pass that information forward. So it
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keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like
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you're on a train or you're like a mouse running
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around that little treadmill thing. And that
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trauma is continually playing in the back of your
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head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on
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the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps
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replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks
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because you haven't been given the information to
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your external. So it doesn't limit you, but
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actually it does limit you. So our subconscious
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mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually
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makes a bit of a mess.
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Meredith Oke: Right. So we have these traumas, these little
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treadmills, running memories.
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Terra Martin: Yeah.
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Meredith Oke: Running in the background, so to speak.
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Terra Martin: Right.
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Meredith Oke: And that is, for lack of a better word, the
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energy of that is running through our bodies and
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our fields and our.
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Terra Martin: Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or
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flight response all the time.
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Meredith Oke: Okay.
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Terra Martin: Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our
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mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're
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copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep
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this. This is important information. We haven't
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processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever
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you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy
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it, they can copy anything.
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Meredith Oke: So interesting.
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Terra Martin: What you feed them is what you get is basically
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what I'm saying.
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Meredith Oke: So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons
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and does that. Then when we talk about creating
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our reality, are we then subconsciously
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recreating little versions of that? Because
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that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.
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Terra Martin: Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.
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Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a
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day, it could be a season, and that will be
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repeated. And when that season comes up again,
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the trauma will activate stronger because it's
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going. It's happening again. It's now. So the
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past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And
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that replays when the triggers set up in place or
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line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.
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We're doing this again. This is happening again.
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So the same fight or flight response kicks in.
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Meredith Oke: Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess
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we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if
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life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,
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painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely
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some. Some background?
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Terra Martin: There is.
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Meredith Oke: If we keep making choices and we're like, why is
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this why Again.
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Terra Martin: That goes back to how well people want to get to
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know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.
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Not. Not something wrong, not something right.
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But they want to get educated and go, why am I
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afraid when I go out the front door and I have to
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touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to
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the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.
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Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,
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where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or
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find out. But people have gotten used to the
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workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's
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still in the closet, but you don't have to think
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about it. So not thinking about it is an
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instruction to the self. When someone says, I
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want to know, I want to know, and you tell
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yourself that you want to know. Interesting
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things pop up out of the body parts and up to
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your conscious.
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Meredith Oke: Interesting because I had an experience once. I
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was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing
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modality. And, you know, the person asked me to
28:35
think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't
28:39
something. I can't remember what it was at the
28:41
moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It
28:44
was just something that happened. And I didn't
28:47
understand until we did the process that I had
28:50
attached this certain meaning to that event.
28:53
Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I
28:55
don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of
28:58
my parents said something to me or something
29:00
happened or I have witnessed something, and I
29:04
made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event
29:07
that I would have described that could be
29:09
described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,
29:15
a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as
29:17
if it was a law.
29:19
Terra Martin: Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.
29:22
It's not about the size of it, the size of the
29:25
trauma. It's the individual, unique person,
29:28
whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with
29:33
a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,
29:36
what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,
29:41
something is very important. To someone else,
29:43
it's not, you know, to some people, they like
29:47
peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is
29:49
unique. But the fear is universal and the fight
29:54
flight is universal. But what the event is
29:58
actually not the important part. What the
30:01
important part is bringing that to your conscious
30:03
and then processing it. Because your logical mind
30:06
processes, your subconscious just holds on to
30:09
things and says, well, we'll get to it another
30:11
day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,
30:15
but one has the ability to process. And when they
30:18
mix up their jobs, then things get kind of
30:22
cluttered.
30:25
Meredith Oke: Right. So that's why it would be important to
30:30
have some kind of regular practice of cleaning
30:34
this up.
30:35
Terra Martin: Yes.
30:36
Meredith Oke: So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum
30:38
circuits don't get overloaded.
30:40
Terra Martin: Absolutely.
30:41
Meredith Oke: Okay.
30:42
Terra Martin: Because you guys are dealing with the extra field
30:45
like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's
30:48
happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like
30:51
an extra sense or something, you know, I don't
30:53
know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.
30:56
Meredith Oke: Right.
30:57
Terra Martin: And as a coach, you have that too. You would be
31:00
very empathetic with your Your clients. And
31:04
there's a lot being transferred to you that might
31:06
be their issues that you take home without
31:11
realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.
31:14
Meredith Oke: Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach
31:19
people for, like, maintenance, trauma
31:22
maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this
31:26
kind of clearing that we're talking about?
31:29
Terra Martin: Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.
31:31
Meredith Oke: Okay.
31:32
Terra Martin: Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm
31:40
back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
31:43
Meredith Oke: No problem.
31:45
Terra Martin: Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is
31:52
put their hands on their heart and say heart
31:55
throughout the night, let me know what I need to
31:59
know about the past. And then over the next few
32:04
days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I
32:07
remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're
32:10
not looking for big events, whatever the heart
32:13
brings to you, because the heart will talk to the
32:15
head. Then it's events that just need to be
32:19
processed by thinking about them. It's not that
32:23
you have to do much, but you have to think about
32:24
them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big
32:26
thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self
32:29
discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach
32:33
them that they're educating themselves on
32:35
themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because
32:39
they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's
32:41
something wrong. It means they don't know
32:43
themselves well enough to figure out how to get
32:46
into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and
32:48
process the trauma. But that doesn't. That
32:51
doesn't make something wrong.
32:54
Meredith Oke: Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a
32:59
big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.
33:02
It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.
33:04
Terra Martin: You're just covered in mud.
33:06
Meredith Oke: Went for a walk.
33:07
Terra Martin: It'll wash off.
33:08
Meredith Oke: Yes.
33:11
Terra Martin: Yeah, exactly.
33:14
Meredith Oke: So tell me about, in your experience, the
33:18
resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff
33:23
or the small stuff, and how you see that works.
33:27
Terra Martin: Basically, the resolution is if you visualize
33:30
your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump
33:34
it in front of your senses. And then you start
33:37
looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.
33:40
I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that
33:43
was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the
33:45
picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you
33:47
know, you put the details of the crime, so to
33:51
speak, in front of your senses. Then you can
33:54
update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30
33:58
or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time
34:02
zone. So you don't go back on that past train.
34:07
You're not back on the treadmill, because you're
34:10
taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating
34:15
the details, the physical details, the facts, the
34:18
room, the year, the summertime, winter, the
34:23
season. So it allows the information to become.
34:31
It allows the information to come forward and you
34:35
process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed
34:39
to your logic of 10. So we have different
34:43
traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us
34:46
locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're
34:49
locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks
34:55
keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our
35:00
now and go back to the past and visit it when
35:02
there's triggers.
35:04
Meredith Oke: Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm
35:10
remembering a time I was a member of a committee.
35:15
We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,
35:17
maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was
35:23
through an organization where we'd all been
35:25
through some stuff. Everyone probably had a
35:29
certain level of trauma in their background. But
35:32
we were all just having a meeting, being grown
35:34
ups, talking about boring things like budgets or
35:37
whatever. And someone came in late and he was
35:41
really angry about a decision that had been made
35:43
at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved
35:46
in. And he came and started. He came into the
35:49
room and started shouting. And I watched all the
35:52
faces of these adults freeze and they became
35:58
children right in front of my eyes. And I was
36:01
like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.
36:03
Every single one of them. It was like a little. A
36:05
frightened little child. And I just had this
36:08
moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?
36:12
Because it was so many people all at the same
36:14
time, all experience like an angry authority, you
36:17
know, it was a big man and he was standing up and
36:19
we were all sitting down. It was just like that,
36:21
the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how
36:26
it happens.
36:27
Terra Martin: That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.
36:31
Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside
36:35
of it, you must be clearer from yelling than
36:37
somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses
36:40
and you'll observe what's going on instead of be
36:43
part of it.
36:46
Meredith Oke: Right.
36:47
Terra Martin: That's kind of like being in your senses means
36:50
you have the ability to observe rather than react.
36:57
Meredith Oke: So if we do find ourselves right, something does
37:02
trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get
37:05
triggered when people honk at me while I'm
37:07
driving. Like it's just for like a full minute
37:11
after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So
37:16
what, how do we, how do we manage that?
37:19
Terra Martin: The first thing I do Is I start counting
37:21
backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my
37:24
breathing down because I want to make sure that
37:27
my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.
37:32
And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs
37:34
goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into
37:37
me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.
37:43
And so I make sure that they actually 747 over
37:46
me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such
37:50
a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a
37:56
lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.
38:02
Meredith Oke: Right, that makes sense.
38:05
Terra Martin: Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your
38:07
first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.
38:11
Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because
38:14
when you're dealing with emotions and emotional
38:16
energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's
38:19
like quantum.
38:19
Meredith Oke: It's.
38:21
Terra Martin: Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through
38:24
the Looking Glass.
38:25
Meredith Oke: Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting
38:34
caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,
38:37
is that the person who came in and yelled, he
38:41
came back at the next meeting and he was like.
38:45
And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off
38:47
really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.
38:52
Terra Martin: So that tells me two things. He's not an ear
38:56
person. And he doesn't listen to his own
38:59
intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't
39:03
hear it.
39:04
Meredith Oke: Right.
39:06
Terra Martin: You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he
39:08
can yell.
39:11
Meredith Oke: He has no idea the effect that he's having.
39:14
Terra Martin: No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says
39:18
and the intonation, but that's the one that he's
39:21
tone deaf on.
39:25
Meredith Oke: Interesting. That explains so much too. When you
39:28
have like disconnect between people and someone's
39:31
feeling super, like, victimized and the other
39:34
person's like, I don't understand what your
39:35
problem is. I'm not.
39:38
Terra Martin: Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the
39:41
wife said, he never listens to me. And the
39:43
husband said, she never talks to me, she never
39:47
looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at
39:50
her because he was an ear person. He was really
39:52
ear. So she never talked to him because she
39:55
wanted to be looked at. And then she would have
39:58
talked to him. So it was just the fights were
40:01
about who's the ear and who's the eye in the
40:03
relationship. And it was funny because that's
40:07
external communication that was creating kind of
40:09
a bit of war.
40:11
Meredith Oke: Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I
40:14
actually have that all the time. He'll be like,
40:17
on his phone And I'll be telling him something.
40:19
And if it's just something, you know, like
40:21
logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want
40:24
to tell him something.
40:25
Terra Martin: Yes.
40:26
Meredith Oke: And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just
40:28
stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and
40:30
be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to
40:33
look at me. I need you to look at my face while I
40:36
say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I
40:40
can still hear you.
40:44
Terra Martin: It's funny because we're all trained as kids to
40:47
use one sense more than another. And so say
40:52
musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,
40:55
they use their eyes, but it's not going to be
40:57
their goat.
40:58
Meredith Oke: That makes sense because he was a musician too,
41:01
in school. Okay.
41:03
Terra Martin: You'd be trained. That's your go to that you
41:05
would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,
41:09
as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we
41:14
had some training that we had to learn to use our
41:18
unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We
41:21
had to. I would blindfold them if they were
41:23
visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they
41:26
had a hard time talking because it wasn't
41:28
familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they
41:31
were not so visual, I had them cover their ears
41:34
and they had to look around the room. So it was
41:37
just to show that everybody has a preferred sense
41:40
that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.
41:46
Meredith Oke: So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk
41:51
about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then
41:55
how the hypnosis brought you into like the
41:57
applied quantum biology.
41:59
Terra Martin: It plays into it because when people are
42:03
entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone
42:08
thinks that you go deep and you act like a
42:11
chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.
42:13
Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes
42:15
expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other
42:18
side of the room. And what happens is you open
42:21
the doorway between your subconscious and
42:23
conscious. So the information that's needed can
42:26
get through right to your external. So when
42:30
people are in a light trance, you know, a trance
42:33
like if you're reading a book and you're not
42:34
aware of your environment, that's a light trance.
42:38
So in that state, they can process a lot of
42:41
information from their subconscious, which
42:43
without the pain of it. But if they go really
42:46
deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so
42:50
that's not as useful because they've already had
42:52
the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they
42:55
need to open the doorway for the information to
43:00
pass through. And that's how it's used. But also
43:03
they need to open the doorway to see who they are
43:05
on their external rather than who they think they
43:09
are.
43:11
Meredith Oke: So it's like opening the portal between the
43:16
conscious and the subconscious to free that
43:18
little piece of ourselves. That's on that
43:20
treadmill.
43:21
Terra Martin: Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The
43:23
information can flow forward easier.
43:28
Meredith Oke: And what's your experience like in terms of
43:32
people getting over things?
43:35
Terra Martin: Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How
43:42
they get there is very different. There was one
43:44
lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30
43:48
years she had been on Valium. And she came to the
43:50
office, and it was a new office I just rented.
43:54
And she came in and she goes, I want to clear
43:56
this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I
43:58
said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it
44:01
in the body? And she went into it. And all of a
44:04
sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?
44:08
And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my
44:10
lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the
44:12
building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did
44:17
this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I
44:20
don't want to stop her because I know I don't
44:23
want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find
44:25
another office. Okay. And so then what happened
44:31
is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel
44:33
so much better. The next day she called me. She
44:36
goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.
44:38
She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on
44:40
Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down
44:43
my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I
44:46
think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,
44:49
right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you
44:53
still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.
44:59
But it was just, you know, that was how she chose
45:02
to deal with it.
45:04
Meredith Oke: Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,
45:06
there was no prompting on your part. You just
45:08
opened the portal and she started to scream. That
45:11
was what her body wanted to do.
45:13
Terra Martin: Right. And that's just. It's about the body,
45:16
actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's
45:18
what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the
45:22
body to do what it needs to do, but it won't
45:24
always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a
45:28
therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going
45:30
for a ride here. And then just let it happen.
45:35
Because it's not my direction that guides it.
45:39
It's her body's direction or their bodies,
45:41
Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.
45:44
The body knows.
45:46
Meredith Oke: Right, Right.
45:47
Terra Martin: Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been
45:50
touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin
45:54
has recorded every single touch that's happened.
45:58
And so it's replaying the information all the
46:02
time on the cellular level. And when you clear it
46:08
out, which is what quantum seems to do, because
46:11
that was another piece that I was missing. You
46:14
know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,
46:16
then everything that I've done comes into a
46:19
greater play. And physically, they get clearer on
46:22
their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.
46:27
Meredith Oke: Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to
46:32
me. But I'm curious about to hear your
46:34
observations on that.
46:35
Terra Martin: Well, my observation is once they are clear of,
46:40
say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he
46:43
grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of
46:46
the dark. And once we worked on clearing light
46:49
and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave
46:52
him just the simple rules of quantum that I found
46:55
in January when I was, you know, January winter
46:58
cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to
47:01
know why or how. He just followed what I gave him
47:03
and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he
47:08
became a whole different person. It just brought
47:10
it more physical and more physical. So now he's.
47:14
He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking
47:16
glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got
47:19
grounding sheets. And he is like a different
47:22
person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.
47:25
Even though he was clear, there was still
47:27
triggers to take him back. But the quantum
47:30
grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed
47:34
there. He didn't go back and forth in time.
47:37
Meredith Oke: Right. Because the trauma is held in that
47:43
structured water and optimizing our circadian
47:46
rhythms and grounding.
47:48
Terra Martin: Right, right. So he could realize where he was,
47:53
that he was clear, but he could also ground more
47:57
that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,
48:02
you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but
48:04
you always think, am I going to go back there? Am
48:06
I going to feel that again? And this grounding
48:09
process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm
48:13
really changed that for him. It made him trust
48:16
his body and say, you got this. You're not going
48:19
to go back there. And so he became just mellow,
48:23
like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I
48:27
was taking the course at the time, so this was
48:28
just new stuff for me. In January and over the
48:32
four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.
48:36
And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.
48:42
Meredith Oke: Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as
48:45
you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The
48:48
hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all
48:52
of it. But it's these connecting that to our
48:57
physical environment and the kind of light that
49:00
we are exposed to and the quality of darkness
49:03
that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted
49:09
your clients.
49:11
Terra Martin: Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can
49:14
clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but
49:18
it still has to come to the senses and has to
49:21
come to the body. And when they do reset their
49:25
circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the
49:29
change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.
49:34
It's not just under the surface anymore. It
49:36
becomes part of their external. So their neural
49:41
pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to
49:44
the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go
49:47
to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue
49:52
blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to
49:56
reevaluate people that cause me stress. It
49:59
grounds them here and then they stay there. And
50:04
once they're in there now, then the past gets
50:08
weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a
50:12
text message or as an email. It gets dissipated
50:20
the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.
50:25
Meredith Oke: That's really profound and makes sense because
50:27
one of, like, my personal experience, you know,
50:32
regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt
50:36
better. I had more energy. My sleep completely
50:39
changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed
50:43
an awareness of myself and time and space.
50:48
Terra Martin: Right.
50:48
Meredith Oke: That I did not have before, and an awareness of
50:51
my, you know, connection to the earth and the
50:58
cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now
51:01
am always aware where the east and the west is
51:04
because I pay attention to the sun and there.
51:08
Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional
51:12
and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,
51:16
which really just started out as, like, my sleep
51:18
is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.
51:21
Terra Martin: Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back
51:26
to, you know, it takes them back to their
51:29
authentic body, and then the body voice becomes
51:35
stronger than the voice of their trauma.
51:40
Meredith Oke: The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of
51:43
the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the
51:52
trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.
51:58
Terra Martin: Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old
52:01
thing.
52:03
Meredith Oke: Right.
52:04
Terra Martin: Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not
52:08
attached to the now. And you're so involved with
52:11
your body by doing the protocols, that these
52:14
protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in
52:19
the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes
52:21
precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect
52:24
for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.
52:27
Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you
52:31
know, the miracle that the body is takes
52:35
precedence.
52:38
Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of
52:43
looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is
52:47
there anything else you want to say on that? The
52:50
sunlight and the darkness.
52:54
Terra Martin: I did it with several people. And sometimes cold
52:58
therapy works for depression better than, you
53:02
know, there were certain applications, and I
53:04
don't know enough yet because I haven't done
53:05
enough clients with this modality. But I find for
53:12
people that are afraid of light, it's a little
53:14
bit longer process. You got to clear them of
53:16
light and then desensitize them to morning light.
53:21
So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost
53:23
go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the
53:26
protocol you guys have given, and they will do it
53:29
now, a lot of them don't want to know what it
53:31
means, how it means, and they just want to do it.
53:34
And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And
53:36
then they report back to me the changes that have
53:39
occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how
53:42
they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives
53:45
and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder
53:49
and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed
53:53
the more light they got. And you can't explain
53:57
it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.
54:01
It's body talking to nature, body talking to
54:03
circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world
54:06
there, which you call quantum, that heals the
54:09
body and brings it back to its true setting, how
54:14
it's supposed to function. But is it totally
54:18
explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there
54:21
results? Yes, the results are there. I think the
54:25
science has to catch up with it. But I believe in
54:28
the results. I don't care, you know, if there's
54:31
results, then it counts to me.
54:35
Meredith Oke: Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that
54:39
that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a
54:43
double blind study or not. It's that person has a
54:46
changed life.
54:48
Terra Martin: But there hasn't been one client that I've given
54:52
them the information that they haven't benefited
54:54
to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large
54:57
degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And
55:03
plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could
55:13
talk for hours on that one, too.
55:15
Meredith Oke: We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,
55:27
approach to working with people, sort of. It's a
55:32
combination of hypnosis plus other modalities
55:37
you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,
55:40
grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love
55:45
this. And I'm just curious, when people come to
55:47
you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people
55:53
when they're trying to, you know, write copy for
55:57
potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's
55:59
like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're
56:03
experiencing. So do people come in with, like,
56:06
what are the most common things? Right, Like, I
56:08
want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at
56:10
my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they
56:13
come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that
56:15
happened to me?
56:17
Terra Martin: They're never that direct. Generally, they come
56:21
in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So
56:24
then I know it's generally the father. They say,
56:27
I am never afraid of anything, which means
56:30
they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain
56:33
common things that are stress. Like lately, you
56:36
know, in the last five years, it's a lot of
56:38
stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,
56:43
people are still afraid of COVID and the
56:46
aftermath of not having friends for two years. A
56:49
whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far
56:51
as emotional problems. But the average person now
56:56
is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty
57:01
cases, but I've tapered it down to more
57:03
educational stuff. Now people who want to get
57:06
educated on their stress and want to, you know,
57:09
live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.
57:12
It's a different kind of clientele I've had from
57:15
the early days where I was kind of in a. In a
57:18
medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,
57:21
and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you
57:23
know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.
57:25
And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.
57:30
Meredith Oke: What medical clinic? Like, what was that?
57:32
Terra Martin: It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.
57:36
Meredith Oke: Mm.
57:37
Terra Martin: Yeah.
57:37
Meredith Oke: So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it
57:40
the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?
57:43
Terra Martin: And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at
57:47
the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the
57:50
clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,
57:54
and we would see what they gave us. And it was
57:58
about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and
58:00
we got everything that kind of they didn't want
58:03
or they were done with. And so at the time, this
58:07
was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,
58:11
it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that
58:15
time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,
58:17
woo, woo.
58:18
Meredith Oke: Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.
58:22
Terra Martin: So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front
58:27
office, which was all glass, and we would.
58:29
Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the
58:31
curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,
58:34
in the closet, so to speak. And then we would
58:39
work with them. And one lady came and she had a
58:42
lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her
58:46
husband had been a pain in the neck for many
58:48
years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked
58:51
with, you know, her breathing and her techniques
58:53
and. And then after four weeks, the lump went
58:56
flat because she was no longer angry. She went
58:59
back to school, she made something of herself,
59:02
and he fell back in love with her and was happy
59:05
ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the
59:09
scientific. How did that happen and what did we
59:14
do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because
59:17
she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we
59:21
were left there going, you know, we said to her,
59:23
if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're
59:26
gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was
59:30
a, A different time in a different place in the
59:33
80s to do that sort of thing and get results and
59:36
still be working in the medical profession. So we
59:39
did it only for about a year because then we went
59:42
into private practice. But it was a tough year
59:46
because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it
59:50
wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized
59:52
as more just fluke or last resort.
59:55
Meredith Oke: Right, right.
59:57
Terra Martin: But it was a fabulous training ground to push us
1:00:00
right into private practice, which is what we
1:00:02
did. Right.
1:00:03
Meredith Oke: Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm
1:00:06
trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how
1:00:10
did you do that?
1:00:11
Terra Martin: Well, exactly.
1:00:15
Meredith Oke: And you know, the thing that I find interesting
1:00:17
is that the science is catching up. I think there
1:00:19
probably is enough science to explain these types
1:00:22
of things, but they still don't care. It's like,
1:00:26
Right. We could show them a mountain of work on
1:00:32
Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water
1:00:35
and frequency and vibration and the energy
1:00:37
bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,
1:00:41
well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you
1:00:44
didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a
1:00:47
Reason, because their minds are just not going to
1:00:51
accept.
1:00:52
Terra Martin: Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I
1:00:55
know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.
1:00:59
Meredith Oke: Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,
1:01:02
especially, you know, people from, from a more
1:01:05
medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're
1:01:08
a naturopath field, they're, they're very
1:01:13
intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But
1:01:16
people from your world are like, oh, of course,
1:01:21
you're just putting words to it. There's just
1:01:23
language to explain what's happening.
1:01:27
Terra Martin: Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days
1:01:29
wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we
1:01:33
really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't
1:01:37
have a peer group really because neither group
1:01:40
wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure
1:01:42
because we were getting results and the hooka
1:01:45
boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka
1:01:47
booga enough. We were more.
1:01:49
Meredith Oke: You're not woo woo enough.
1:01:52
Terra Martin: So we didn't make the grade either way.
1:01:56
Meredith Oke: Well, I think it worked out because you seems to
1:01:59
have developed just an incredible approach and
1:02:03
techniques combining like a very. So many unique
1:02:08
aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is
1:02:12
the. The part where I ask you to share how people
1:02:16
can find you. But.
1:02:20
Terra Martin: I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.
1:02:22
Meredith Oke: Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there
1:02:25
is, there are no socials, there is no website.
1:02:29
Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what
1:02:39
to say. Is there any way you want, anything you
1:02:42
want to say for people? If they want to work with
1:02:44
you.
1:02:46
Terra Martin: They can contact me and I can do it online. Like
1:02:49
I can. Do you.
1:02:50
Meredith Oke: Do you work virtually?
1:02:52
Terra Martin: I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.
1:02:55
They'd have to. I can give them an email.
1:02:57
Meredith Oke: They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You
1:03:00
can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a
1:03:02
profile in the QVC free community.
1:03:05
Terra Martin: Yep.
1:03:06
Meredith Oke: So if you go to the QVC free community, which you
1:03:09
can join through qbcpod.com just click free
1:03:13
community and people listening. If you don't have
1:03:16
an account, set one up. It's free and it's a
1:03:18
great way to find people like Tara and all the
1:03:22
other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if
1:03:24
you go in there and you click in and you type in
1:03:27
Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that
1:03:32
will put your private. Your contact information
1:03:34
in there.
1:03:35
Terra Martin: Oh, I passed my boards.
1:03:37
Meredith Oke: Oh, congratulations.
1:03:42
Terra Martin: Yeah.
1:03:43
Meredith Oke: Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology
1:03:46
practitioner.
1:03:46
Terra Martin: Absolutely. Yeah.
1:03:48
Meredith Oke: This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to
1:03:51
doing another interview with you down the road to
1:03:53
hear hear how it's all coming together and what
1:03:56
new insights you've had. Thank you so much.
1:03:59
Terra Martin: Thank you.
1:04:00
Meredith Oke: This was super fun.
1:04:01
Terra Martin: Been a pleasure. Thank you.