Latest / The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke / 133: Terra Martin - Stop the Trauma Loop: Hypnosis, Sunlight & Subconscious Healing
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- 5:00Meredith Oke: Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is
- 5:03going to be fun.
- 5:05Terra Martin: Happy to see you, Meredith.
- 5:07Meredith Oke: Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,
- 5:12because you studied music and you were on the
- 5:15path to. Towards music composition and being a
- 5:18professional musician, and then you moved over
- 5:23into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about
- 5:27that transition and, like, what. What, if any,
- 5:30overlap there is in those areas?
- 5:32Terra Martin: Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to
- 5:36spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps
- 5:40getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra
- 5:42and then living on peanut butter and crackers the
- 5:45rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a
- 5:49passion for music. You love it, and do you want
- 5:53to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you
- 5:57a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,
- 5:59no, you're right. So then I moved to taking
- 6:03courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was
- 6:10going to choose that because to me, when I first
- 6:12heard those things and I listened to people
- 6:15speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's
- 6:19like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices
- 6:22as they say certain words and certain sentences.
- 6:26And I do this all the time when I'm listening to
- 6:28music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an
- 6:32easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I
- 6:35have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different
- 6:37way. So I did that, and then I came back to
- 6:40music, and now I own about six instruments. I
- 6:43haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have
- 6:46to be careful when I go on ebay.
- 6:51Meredith Oke: That's amazing. So your life is filled with music
- 6:53and in the traditional sense, but also you see
- 6:58your patients through the lens of a trained
- 7:04musician's ear.
- 7:05Terra Martin: Correct.
- 7:06Meredith Oke: So you were saying, like, you hear in their
- 7:08voices when they speak.
- 7:10Terra Martin: Well, for example, if they come into the office
- 7:13and one lady came in and she stood at the door
- 7:16and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right
- 7:20away it was grief, because I could hear. There's
- 7:24physical words you speak, but then there's an
- 7:27intonation. That's the music. And I heard that
- 7:30she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can
- 7:32cry. And then she burst into tears and came and
- 7:35did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my
- 7:38ear that told me what it was.
- 7:42Meredith Oke: So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,
- 7:47picks up emotions as though they're music under
- 7:50inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.
- 7:55Terra Martin: Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it
- 8:00became more honed because more clients, more
- 8:02time. Of course, you get really good at it. And
- 8:05even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without
- 8:08wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.
- 8:11I'm trying to work or anything, but it just
- 8:13became so overused that it's automatic.
- 8:20Meredith Oke: Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an
- 8:23incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As
- 8:26someone who sees clients or patients, how do you
- 8:28refer to them? Clients or patients?
- 8:30Terra Martin: I call them clients.
- 8:32Meredith Oke: Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of
- 8:37your job to understand where they are
- 8:39emotionally. You can just hear it.
- 8:42Terra Martin: I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money
- 8:45because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker
- 8:48they can go through a. Reckon, you know,
- 8:51recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,
- 8:55therapists don't change people. People change
- 8:57themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm
- 9:01a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the
- 9:05changer. They are.
- 9:09Meredith Oke: Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my
- 9:12coaching members used to say, you know, you can
- 9:16coach anybody on anything as long as they're
- 9:18coachable.
- 9:21Terra Martin: That's right.
- 9:22Meredith Oke: Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the
- 9:24contract.
- 9:25Terra Martin: That's right.
- 9:29Meredith Oke: So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the
- 9:33emotions as music are there certain. Because I
- 9:39know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you
- 9:42can tell when somebody is using words to say one
- 9:46thing, but the body language or the energy, or
- 9:49you can just tell, you feel that cognitive
- 9:51dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with
- 9:54how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,
- 9:58oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.
- 10:01Or even just telling a story as though it's no
- 10:03big deal. But you can feel like a gap between
- 10:07what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,
- 10:12in many different ways.
- 10:14Terra Martin: It takes about a paragraph because people have
- 10:17learned to hone their intonation like, you know,
- 10:21how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice
- 10:25package of sound bite for that. But going on with
- 10:30a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our
- 10:33natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,
- 10:36then there's a whole wealth of information. If
- 10:38you're listening to people not only for context,
- 10:42but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a
- 10:45whole wealth of information of, you know, if
- 10:47someone says, I really like my mother, well,
- 10:51guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally
- 10:57yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But
- 10:59intonation, there's something, Something there.
- 11:03There's some information there that can be
- 11:06unpacked.
- 11:08Meredith Oke: So have you noticed that there are different
- 11:12intonations for different types of emotions?
- 11:16Terra Martin: Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.
- 11:19There's a global intonation for anger, fear,
- 11:24guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because
- 11:27nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,
- 11:30nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's
- 11:33where it gets really interesting because it's
- 11:35like a different piece of music. It's
- 11:39combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound
- 11:43feel.
- 11:46Meredith Oke: Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're
- 11:49hearing them speak.
- 11:52Terra Martin: Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying
- 11:56something that's all of a sudden they speak very
- 11:59slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.
- 12:04The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're
- 12:08playing at one end of the piano versus the other
- 12:10end of the piano. They're trying to slow down
- 12:12something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or
- 12:15they're trying to speed it up to get past it.
- 12:17Because there's memories happening while they're
- 12:19speaking.
- 12:23Meredith Oke: Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as
- 12:27you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds
- 12:31like a music teacher or a voice teacher when
- 12:34you're having the singer find the emotion in the
- 12:39song. But that's just what we're naturally doing
- 12:43as we speak all the time.
- 12:45Terra Martin: Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But
- 12:48we never kind of scientifically observe it. We
- 12:52never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I
- 12:55mean, even with myself, I know there's certain
- 12:58people that my intonation changes right away and
- 13:01I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling
- 13:05yourself something. Or there's other people that
- 13:08I don't really mind however it comes out or
- 13:11however I, however I say it. Like you're one of
- 13:14those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like
- 13:17her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever
- 13:19comes to mind.
- 13:21Meredith Oke: Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.
- 13:26Because I have to say it's a little, you know,
- 13:28like when I talk to people and they're like,
- 13:29yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can
- 13:32see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not
- 13:36gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a
- 13:38podcast. But I always do wonder what they're
- 13:41seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my
- 13:44favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say
- 13:46anything, because you probably can. I've heard a
- 13:49lot of things over the years. Sometimes people
- 13:53will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or
- 13:56scared to say something, and they'll just tell it
- 14:00to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to
- 14:02tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.
- 14:07I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised
- 14:13at how we hold ourselves back from showing up
- 14:17authentically because, you know, I mean, there
- 14:20are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,
- 14:23true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just
- 14:26say the truth sometimes, aren't we?
- 14:28Terra Martin: We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where
- 14:31people mask their intonation. They kind of
- 14:34squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,
- 14:37very British, and her mother used to say to her
- 14:41all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise
- 14:43your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then
- 14:45she learned to shut down her intonation and,
- 14:48like, squeeze it so she would always sound
- 14:53practical, logical. And she took out all the
- 14:58adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So
- 15:01there was no. It was almost like there was no
- 15:03emotional content in her intonation. And when she
- 15:07came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people
- 15:10don't, you know, find me empathetic or
- 15:13communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,
- 15:16I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and
- 15:19say something. And it came out in best British,
- 15:22and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.
- 15:23And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was
- 15:28the training of her mother saying, don't raise
- 15:31your voice. So what she did internally was not
- 15:34raise her intonation and not let it flow with her
- 15:38content or sentences. So it's like she didn't
- 15:41have any of her emotions showing through, shining
- 15:45and showing through in her words to making them,
- 15:48you know, human.
- 15:51Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those
- 15:55people where it's like almost a monotone, right?
- 15:59Terra Martin: And that's their guarding what they feel. So it
- 16:03doesn't shine and shine through their words. But
- 16:06then you don't know. You don't touch the person.
- 16:08You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,
- 16:11because somebody or something at an event has
- 16:15occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit
- 16:18on their intonation.
- 16:23Meredith Oke: Because then there are people where it's like
- 16:26they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.
- 16:30Terra Martin: That's the people the other end, because they
- 16:33don't want to believe that they're so logical,
- 16:35practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So
- 16:41they exaggerate it the other way. Like all
- 16:44extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,
- 16:46you know, any absolute. There's something missing
- 16:48in the piece. There's something missing in the
- 16:50puzzle piece, right?
- 16:54Meredith Oke: Yeah. There are no absolutes.
- 16:57Terra Martin: No. Especially in quantum.
- 17:00Meredith Oke: Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We
- 17:07could talk the whole time about the voices. So
- 17:11tell me a little bit more about how you work. So
- 17:14your first clue with a client is auditory and
- 17:20then what unfolds?
- 17:22Terra Martin: Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but
- 17:25I don't know. You must know this. People hate
- 17:27writing down questions. It takes them forever. So
- 17:30then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,
- 17:33come to my office. Write five questions on
- 17:36anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning
- 17:39is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a
- 17:42student position? That's all it's about. I don't
- 17:45care what the question is. And then I need to
- 17:47know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where
- 17:51mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way
- 17:54I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have
- 17:56to give them the method. If they're when, I have
- 17:58to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have
- 18:01to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I
- 18:05want to get the quickest way in to. So that
- 18:08they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,
- 18:11and where as the. As the template.
- 18:14Meredith Oke: That is so interesting. I love that because
- 18:17something that comes up a lot in my coaching is
- 18:23how much information to give a client, how much
- 18:26to explain to them. And a lot of people who are
- 18:29drawn to study applied quantum biology love the
- 18:32information, and they love sharing the
- 18:35information. And their clients don't always love
- 18:40to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need
- 18:43to know, I need a certain amount of how in order
- 18:45to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.
- 18:50I've not heard this distinction before. So that's
- 18:52super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and
- 18:55a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess
- 18:58the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it
- 19:00works.
- 19:01Terra Martin: Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal
- 19:05with their future. They want to clear future
- 19:07hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,
- 19:10but might happen according to their logic. So
- 19:13then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep
- 19:17repeating the same behavior going forward, it's
- 19:20going to look like this. So that would be when.
- 19:22If you stop the behavior, the future can look
- 19:25like this. And I kind of open it as
- 19:29possibilities, different possibilities for that
- 19:33type of person. And they're very much on time.
- 19:38You know, they want to save time. So I'll use
- 19:40that motivation for them to go. To go there and
- 19:43do it. But you see, the reason I just divided
- 19:47everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding
- 19:50there was a pattern. People came that wanted,
- 19:53method only. People came that wanted, well, where
- 19:56will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I
- 19:59get? That's how I divided it into the four
- 20:03categories. Now it's general and some people are
- 20:07crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves
- 20:10quite a bit of time for them, right?
- 20:13Meredith Oke: Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct
- 20:16route, what will be most motivating or
- 20:20persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about
- 20:23the.
- 20:23Terra Martin: About the where in the where. It's events that
- 20:28have happened to people. The locations become the
- 20:30problem. So when someone has to know where's the
- 20:34exit and where is the bathroom and where is the
- 20:38front door, where's the. I know that there's kind
- 20:41of triggers around there. So I'll go in a
- 20:44different way. I won't go right for the exit or
- 20:47the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or
- 20:49something and say, what. Tell me about the middle
- 20:52of the room, what was there? And then I'll work
- 20:54my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a
- 20:58direction to work with them. If they've had, you
- 21:02know, different traumas or different. Just events
- 21:05that have happened that have caused them stress.
- 21:08Meredith Oke: Okay.
- 21:09Terra Martin: So the where gives me that. So it's just
- 21:12isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of
- 21:17instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing
- 21:19it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that
- 21:21area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the
- 21:26most for their hour or two.
- 21:28Meredith Oke: Right, right. So they. They fill out the
- 21:32questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And
- 21:37you go from there using that sort of as a bit of
- 21:39a blueprint or guiding post.
- 21:42Terra Martin: And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,
- 21:46then I count the hows, I count the where's, I
- 21:48count the whens that are in it. And if there
- 21:51isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of
- 21:55person who's very general. So I know it could be
- 21:57a long haul unless I get them into using how,
- 22:01when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson
- 22:03for, for one week and then start. Right.
- 22:06Meredith Oke: Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.
- 22:09I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But
- 22:12the where, I'm like, I don't even know what
- 22:14you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to
- 22:16me. What do you mean, the exit?
- 22:19Terra Martin: I think you're pretty open to the world, so where
- 22:23wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.
- 22:26Meredith Oke: Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that
- 22:31because it was not always the case. All right,
- 22:37so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture
- 22:42for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,
- 22:45psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye
- 22:48movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral
- 22:53therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?
- 22:56Over two decades.
- 22:57Terra Martin: Over two decades, yes.
- 22:58Meredith Oke: Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your
- 23:05impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it
- 23:10and where. I kind of want to go because this has
- 23:13been coming up a lot. I talked about it with
- 23:16Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,
- 23:19moved into an understanding of the deep, deep
- 23:23implications of trauma on a person and a person's
- 23:26behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and
- 23:31feel like it's like, oh, your child got
- 23:34traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?
- 23:36Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in
- 23:42my, but my experience personally and in many,
- 23:45many people over, that I've seen over the years
- 23:47in different situations has been that trauma is
- 23:50resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.
- 23:52But I want to start with how do you see trauma?
- 23:56Like, how do you explain it to people?
- 23:59Terra Martin: Basically, it's an event that happens, say when
- 24:02someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10
- 24:05years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.
- 24:09The subconscious does not let go and give the
- 24:13information to the conscious, doesn't feed it
- 24:17forward, because it wants to protect your logical
- 24:19mind so that you can go about your day to day
- 24:21activity. So it withholds the information and it
- 24:25doesn't pass that information forward. So it
- 24:28keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like
- 24:32you're on a train or you're like a mouse running
- 24:34around that little treadmill thing. And that
- 24:37trauma is continually playing in the back of your
- 24:39head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on
- 24:44the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps
- 24:47replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks
- 24:51because you haven't been given the information to
- 24:55your external. So it doesn't limit you, but
- 24:58actually it does limit you. So our subconscious
- 25:02mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually
- 25:04makes a bit of a mess.
- 25:07Meredith Oke: Right. So we have these traumas, these little
- 25:11treadmills, running memories.
- 25:14Terra Martin: Yeah.
- 25:14Meredith Oke: Running in the background, so to speak.
- 25:17Terra Martin: Right.
- 25:18Meredith Oke: And that is, for lack of a better word, the
- 25:22energy of that is running through our bodies and
- 25:25our fields and our.
- 25:27Terra Martin: Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or
- 25:30flight response all the time.
- 25:32Meredith Oke: Okay.
- 25:33Terra Martin: Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our
- 25:36mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're
- 25:40copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep
- 25:42this. This is important information. We haven't
- 25:44processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever
- 25:48you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy
- 25:53it, they can copy anything.
- 25:57Meredith Oke: So interesting.
- 25:59Terra Martin: What you feed them is what you get is basically
- 26:01what I'm saying.
- 26:03Meredith Oke: So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons
- 26:07and does that. Then when we talk about creating
- 26:10our reality, are we then subconsciously
- 26:14recreating little versions of that? Because
- 26:16that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.
- 26:18Terra Martin: Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.
- 26:22Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a
- 26:26day, it could be a season, and that will be
- 26:29repeated. And when that season comes up again,
- 26:32the trauma will activate stronger because it's
- 26:35going. It's happening again. It's now. So the
- 26:38past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And
- 26:42that replays when the triggers set up in place or
- 26:46line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.
- 26:49We're doing this again. This is happening again.
- 26:51So the same fight or flight response kicks in.
- 26:57Meredith Oke: Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess
- 27:05we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if
- 27:09life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,
- 27:13painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely
- 27:16some. Some background?
- 27:18Terra Martin: There is.
- 27:18Meredith Oke: If we keep making choices and we're like, why is
- 27:21this why Again.
- 27:24Terra Martin: That goes back to how well people want to get to
- 27:28know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.
- 27:31Not. Not something wrong, not something right.
- 27:34But they want to get educated and go, why am I
- 27:37afraid when I go out the front door and I have to
- 27:40touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to
- 27:43the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.
- 27:46Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,
- 27:49where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or
- 27:54find out. But people have gotten used to the
- 27:58workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's
- 28:03still in the closet, but you don't have to think
- 28:05about it. So not thinking about it is an
- 28:08instruction to the self. When someone says, I
- 28:12want to know, I want to know, and you tell
- 28:14yourself that you want to know. Interesting
- 28:16things pop up out of the body parts and up to
- 28:19your conscious.
- 28:22Meredith Oke: Interesting because I had an experience once. I
- 28:27was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing
- 28:31modality. And, you know, the person asked me to
- 28:35think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't
- 28:39something. I can't remember what it was at the
- 28:41moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It
- 28:44was just something that happened. And I didn't
- 28:47understand until we did the process that I had
- 28:50attached this certain meaning to that event.
- 28:53Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I
- 28:55don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of
- 28:58my parents said something to me or something
- 29:00happened or I have witnessed something, and I
- 29:04made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event
- 29:07that I would have described that could be
- 29:09described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,
- 29:15a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as
- 29:17if it was a law.
- 29:19Terra Martin: Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.
- 29:22It's not about the size of it, the size of the
- 29:25trauma. It's the individual, unique person,
- 29:28whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with
- 29:33a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,
- 29:36what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,
- 29:41something is very important. To someone else,
- 29:43it's not, you know, to some people, they like
- 29:47peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is
- 29:49unique. But the fear is universal and the fight
- 29:54flight is universal. But what the event is
- 29:58actually not the important part. What the
- 30:01important part is bringing that to your conscious
- 30:03and then processing it. Because your logical mind
- 30:06processes, your subconscious just holds on to
- 30:09things and says, well, we'll get to it another
- 30:11day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,
- 30:15but one has the ability to process. And when they
- 30:18mix up their jobs, then things get kind of
- 30:22cluttered.
- 30:25Meredith Oke: Right. So that's why it would be important to
- 30:30have some kind of regular practice of cleaning
- 30:34this up.
- 30:35Terra Martin: Yes.
- 30:36Meredith Oke: So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum
- 30:38circuits don't get overloaded.
- 30:40Terra Martin: Absolutely.
- 30:41Meredith Oke: Okay.
- 30:42Terra Martin: Because you guys are dealing with the extra field
- 30:45like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's
- 30:48happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like
- 30:51an extra sense or something, you know, I don't
- 30:53know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.
- 30:56Meredith Oke: Right.
- 30:57Terra Martin: And as a coach, you have that too. You would be
- 31:00very empathetic with your Your clients. And
- 31:04there's a lot being transferred to you that might
- 31:06be their issues that you take home without
- 31:11realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.
- 31:14Meredith Oke: Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach
- 31:19people for, like, maintenance, trauma
- 31:22maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this
- 31:26kind of clearing that we're talking about?
- 31:29Terra Martin: Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.
- 31:31Meredith Oke: Okay.
- 31:32Terra Martin: Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm
- 31:40back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
- 31:43Meredith Oke: No problem.
- 31:45Terra Martin: Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is
- 31:52put their hands on their heart and say heart
- 31:55throughout the night, let me know what I need to
- 31:59know about the past. And then over the next few
- 32:04days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I
- 32:07remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're
- 32:10not looking for big events, whatever the heart
- 32:13brings to you, because the heart will talk to the
- 32:15head. Then it's events that just need to be
- 32:19processed by thinking about them. It's not that
- 32:23you have to do much, but you have to think about
- 32:24them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big
- 32:26thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self
- 32:29discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach
- 32:33them that they're educating themselves on
- 32:35themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because
- 32:39they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's
- 32:41something wrong. It means they don't know
- 32:43themselves well enough to figure out how to get
- 32:46into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and
- 32:48process the trauma. But that doesn't. That
- 32:51doesn't make something wrong.
- 32:54Meredith Oke: Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a
- 32:59big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.
- 33:02It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.
- 33:04Terra Martin: You're just covered in mud.
- 33:06Meredith Oke: Went for a walk.
- 33:07Terra Martin: It'll wash off.
- 33:08Meredith Oke: Yes.
- 33:11Terra Martin: Yeah, exactly.
- 33:14Meredith Oke: So tell me about, in your experience, the
- 33:18resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff
- 33:23or the small stuff, and how you see that works.
- 33:27Terra Martin: Basically, the resolution is if you visualize
- 33:30your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump
- 33:34it in front of your senses. And then you start
- 33:37looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.
- 33:40I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that
- 33:43was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the
- 33:45picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you
- 33:47know, you put the details of the crime, so to
- 33:51speak, in front of your senses. Then you can
- 33:54update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30
- 33:58or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time
- 34:02zone. So you don't go back on that past train.
- 34:07You're not back on the treadmill, because you're
- 34:10taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating
- 34:15the details, the physical details, the facts, the
- 34:18room, the year, the summertime, winter, the
- 34:23season. So it allows the information to become.
- 34:31It allows the information to come forward and you
- 34:35process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed
- 34:39to your logic of 10. So we have different
- 34:43traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us
- 34:46locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're
- 34:49locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks
- 34:55keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our
- 35:00now and go back to the past and visit it when
- 35:02there's triggers.
- 35:04Meredith Oke: Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm
- 35:10remembering a time I was a member of a committee.
- 35:15We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,
- 35:17maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was
- 35:23through an organization where we'd all been
- 35:25through some stuff. Everyone probably had a
- 35:29certain level of trauma in their background. But
- 35:32we were all just having a meeting, being grown
- 35:34ups, talking about boring things like budgets or
- 35:37whatever. And someone came in late and he was
- 35:41really angry about a decision that had been made
- 35:43at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved
- 35:46in. And he came and started. He came into the
- 35:49room and started shouting. And I watched all the
- 35:52faces of these adults freeze and they became
- 35:58children right in front of my eyes. And I was
- 36:01like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.
- 36:03Every single one of them. It was like a little. A
- 36:05frightened little child. And I just had this
- 36:08moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?
- 36:12Because it was so many people all at the same
- 36:14time, all experience like an angry authority, you
- 36:17know, it was a big man and he was standing up and
- 36:19we were all sitting down. It was just like that,
- 36:21the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how
- 36:26it happens.
- 36:27Terra Martin: That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.
- 36:31Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside
- 36:35of it, you must be clearer from yelling than
- 36:37somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses
- 36:40and you'll observe what's going on instead of be
- 36:43part of it.
- 36:46Meredith Oke: Right.
- 36:47Terra Martin: That's kind of like being in your senses means
- 36:50you have the ability to observe rather than react.
- 36:57Meredith Oke: So if we do find ourselves right, something does
- 37:02trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get
- 37:05triggered when people honk at me while I'm
- 37:07driving. Like it's just for like a full minute
- 37:11after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So
- 37:16what, how do we, how do we manage that?
- 37:19Terra Martin: The first thing I do Is I start counting
- 37:21backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my
- 37:24breathing down because I want to make sure that
- 37:27my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.
- 37:32And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs
- 37:34goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into
- 37:37me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.
- 37:43And so I make sure that they actually 747 over
- 37:46me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such
- 37:50a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a
- 37:56lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.
- 38:02Meredith Oke: Right, that makes sense.
- 38:05Terra Martin: Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your
- 38:07first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.
- 38:11Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because
- 38:14when you're dealing with emotions and emotional
- 38:16energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's
- 38:19like quantum.
- 38:19Meredith Oke: It's.
- 38:21Terra Martin: Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through
- 38:24the Looking Glass.
- 38:25Meredith Oke: Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting
- 38:34caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,
- 38:37is that the person who came in and yelled, he
- 38:41came back at the next meeting and he was like.
- 38:45And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off
- 38:47really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.
- 38:52Terra Martin: So that tells me two things. He's not an ear
- 38:56person. And he doesn't listen to his own
- 38:59intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't
- 39:03hear it.
- 39:04Meredith Oke: Right.
- 39:06Terra Martin: You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he
- 39:08can yell.
- 39:11Meredith Oke: He has no idea the effect that he's having.
- 39:14Terra Martin: No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says
- 39:18and the intonation, but that's the one that he's
- 39:21tone deaf on.
- 39:25Meredith Oke: Interesting. That explains so much too. When you
- 39:28have like disconnect between people and someone's
- 39:31feeling super, like, victimized and the other
- 39:34person's like, I don't understand what your
- 39:35problem is. I'm not.
- 39:38Terra Martin: Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the
- 39:41wife said, he never listens to me. And the
- 39:43husband said, she never talks to me, she never
- 39:47looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at
- 39:50her because he was an ear person. He was really
- 39:52ear. So she never talked to him because she
- 39:55wanted to be looked at. And then she would have
- 39:58talked to him. So it was just the fights were
- 40:01about who's the ear and who's the eye in the
- 40:03relationship. And it was funny because that's
- 40:07external communication that was creating kind of
- 40:09a bit of war.
- 40:11Meredith Oke: Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I
- 40:14actually have that all the time. He'll be like,
- 40:17on his phone And I'll be telling him something.
- 40:19And if it's just something, you know, like
- 40:21logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want
- 40:24to tell him something.
- 40:25Terra Martin: Yes.
- 40:26Meredith Oke: And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just
- 40:28stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and
- 40:30be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to
- 40:33look at me. I need you to look at my face while I
- 40:36say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I
- 40:40can still hear you.
- 40:44Terra Martin: It's funny because we're all trained as kids to
- 40:47use one sense more than another. And so say
- 40:52musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,
- 40:55they use their eyes, but it's not going to be
- 40:57their goat.
- 40:58Meredith Oke: That makes sense because he was a musician too,
- 41:01in school. Okay.
- 41:03Terra Martin: You'd be trained. That's your go to that you
- 41:05would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,
- 41:09as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we
- 41:14had some training that we had to learn to use our
- 41:18unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We
- 41:21had to. I would blindfold them if they were
- 41:23visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they
- 41:26had a hard time talking because it wasn't
- 41:28familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they
- 41:31were not so visual, I had them cover their ears
- 41:34and they had to look around the room. So it was
- 41:37just to show that everybody has a preferred sense
- 41:40that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.
- 41:46Meredith Oke: So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk
- 41:51about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then
- 41:55how the hypnosis brought you into like the
- 41:57applied quantum biology.
- 41:59Terra Martin: It plays into it because when people are
- 42:03entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone
- 42:08thinks that you go deep and you act like a
- 42:11chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.
- 42:13Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes
- 42:15expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other
- 42:18side of the room. And what happens is you open
- 42:21the doorway between your subconscious and
- 42:23conscious. So the information that's needed can
- 42:26get through right to your external. So when
- 42:30people are in a light trance, you know, a trance
- 42:33like if you're reading a book and you're not
- 42:34aware of your environment, that's a light trance.
- 42:38So in that state, they can process a lot of
- 42:41information from their subconscious, which
- 42:43without the pain of it. But if they go really
- 42:46deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so
- 42:50that's not as useful because they've already had
- 42:52the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they
- 42:55need to open the doorway for the information to
- 43:00pass through. And that's how it's used. But also
- 43:03they need to open the doorway to see who they are
- 43:05on their external rather than who they think they
- 43:09are.
- 43:11Meredith Oke: So it's like opening the portal between the
- 43:16conscious and the subconscious to free that
- 43:18little piece of ourselves. That's on that
- 43:20treadmill.
- 43:21Terra Martin: Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The
- 43:23information can flow forward easier.
- 43:28Meredith Oke: And what's your experience like in terms of
- 43:32people getting over things?
- 43:35Terra Martin: Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How
- 43:42they get there is very different. There was one
- 43:44lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30
- 43:48years she had been on Valium. And she came to the
- 43:50office, and it was a new office I just rented.
- 43:54And she came in and she goes, I want to clear
- 43:56this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I
- 43:58said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it
- 44:01in the body? And she went into it. And all of a
- 44:04sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?
- 44:08And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my
- 44:10lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the
- 44:12building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did
- 44:17this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I
- 44:20don't want to stop her because I know I don't
- 44:23want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find
- 44:25another office. Okay. And so then what happened
- 44:31is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel
- 44:33so much better. The next day she called me. She
- 44:36goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.
- 44:38She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on
- 44:40Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down
- 44:43my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I
- 44:46think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,
- 44:49right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you
- 44:53still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.
- 44:59But it was just, you know, that was how she chose
- 45:02to deal with it.
- 45:04Meredith Oke: Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,
- 45:06there was no prompting on your part. You just
- 45:08opened the portal and she started to scream. That
- 45:11was what her body wanted to do.
- 45:13Terra Martin: Right. And that's just. It's about the body,
- 45:16actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's
- 45:18what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the
- 45:22body to do what it needs to do, but it won't
- 45:24always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a
- 45:28therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going
- 45:30for a ride here. And then just let it happen.
- 45:35Because it's not my direction that guides it.
- 45:39It's her body's direction or their bodies,
- 45:41Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.
- 45:44The body knows.
- 45:46Meredith Oke: Right, Right.
- 45:47Terra Martin: Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been
- 45:50touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin
- 45:54has recorded every single touch that's happened.
- 45:58And so it's replaying the information all the
- 46:02time on the cellular level. And when you clear it
- 46:08out, which is what quantum seems to do, because
- 46:11that was another piece that I was missing. You
- 46:14know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,
- 46:16then everything that I've done comes into a
- 46:19greater play. And physically, they get clearer on
- 46:22their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.
- 46:27Meredith Oke: Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to
- 46:32me. But I'm curious about to hear your
- 46:34observations on that.
- 46:35Terra Martin: Well, my observation is once they are clear of,
- 46:40say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he
- 46:43grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of
- 46:46the dark. And once we worked on clearing light
- 46:49and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave
- 46:52him just the simple rules of quantum that I found
- 46:55in January when I was, you know, January winter
- 46:58cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to
- 47:01know why or how. He just followed what I gave him
- 47:03and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he
- 47:08became a whole different person. It just brought
- 47:10it more physical and more physical. So now he's.
- 47:14He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking
- 47:16glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got
- 47:19grounding sheets. And he is like a different
- 47:22person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.
- 47:25Even though he was clear, there was still
- 47:27triggers to take him back. But the quantum
- 47:30grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed
- 47:34there. He didn't go back and forth in time.
- 47:37Meredith Oke: Right. Because the trauma is held in that
- 47:43structured water and optimizing our circadian
- 47:46rhythms and grounding.
- 47:48Terra Martin: Right, right. So he could realize where he was,
- 47:53that he was clear, but he could also ground more
- 47:57that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,
- 48:02you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but
- 48:04you always think, am I going to go back there? Am
- 48:06I going to feel that again? And this grounding
- 48:09process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm
- 48:13really changed that for him. It made him trust
- 48:16his body and say, you got this. You're not going
- 48:19to go back there. And so he became just mellow,
- 48:23like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I
- 48:27was taking the course at the time, so this was
- 48:28just new stuff for me. In January and over the
- 48:32four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.
- 48:36And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.
- 48:42Meredith Oke: Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as
- 48:45you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The
- 48:48hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all
- 48:52of it. But it's these connecting that to our
- 48:57physical environment and the kind of light that
- 49:00we are exposed to and the quality of darkness
- 49:03that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted
- 49:09your clients.
- 49:11Terra Martin: Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can
- 49:14clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but
- 49:18it still has to come to the senses and has to
- 49:21come to the body. And when they do reset their
- 49:25circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the
- 49:29change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.
- 49:34It's not just under the surface anymore. It
- 49:36becomes part of their external. So their neural
- 49:41pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to
- 49:44the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go
- 49:47to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue
- 49:52blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to
- 49:56reevaluate people that cause me stress. It
- 49:59grounds them here and then they stay there. And
- 50:04once they're in there now, then the past gets
- 50:08weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a
- 50:12text message or as an email. It gets dissipated
- 50:20the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.
- 50:25Meredith Oke: That's really profound and makes sense because
- 50:27one of, like, my personal experience, you know,
- 50:32regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt
- 50:36better. I had more energy. My sleep completely
- 50:39changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed
- 50:43an awareness of myself and time and space.
- 50:48Terra Martin: Right.
- 50:48Meredith Oke: That I did not have before, and an awareness of
- 50:51my, you know, connection to the earth and the
- 50:58cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now
- 51:01am always aware where the east and the west is
- 51:04because I pay attention to the sun and there.
- 51:08Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional
- 51:12and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,
- 51:16which really just started out as, like, my sleep
- 51:18is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.
- 51:21Terra Martin: Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back
- 51:26to, you know, it takes them back to their
- 51:29authentic body, and then the body voice becomes
- 51:35stronger than the voice of their trauma.
- 51:40Meredith Oke: The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of
- 51:43the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the
- 51:52trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.
- 51:58Terra Martin: Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old
- 52:01thing.
- 52:03Meredith Oke: Right.
- 52:04Terra Martin: Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not
- 52:08attached to the now. And you're so involved with
- 52:11your body by doing the protocols, that these
- 52:14protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in
- 52:19the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes
- 52:21precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect
- 52:24for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.
- 52:27Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you
- 52:31know, the miracle that the body is takes
- 52:35precedence.
- 52:38Meredith Oke: Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of
- 52:43looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is
- 52:47there anything else you want to say on that? The
- 52:50sunlight and the darkness.
- 52:54Terra Martin: I did it with several people. And sometimes cold
- 52:58therapy works for depression better than, you
- 53:02know, there were certain applications, and I
- 53:04don't know enough yet because I haven't done
- 53:05enough clients with this modality. But I find for
- 53:12people that are afraid of light, it's a little
- 53:14bit longer process. You got to clear them of
- 53:16light and then desensitize them to morning light.
- 53:21So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost
- 53:23go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the
- 53:26protocol you guys have given, and they will do it
- 53:29now, a lot of them don't want to know what it
- 53:31means, how it means, and they just want to do it.
- 53:34And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And
- 53:36then they report back to me the changes that have
- 53:39occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how
- 53:42they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives
- 53:45and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder
- 53:49and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed
- 53:53the more light they got. And you can't explain
- 53:57it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.
- 54:01It's body talking to nature, body talking to
- 54:03circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world
- 54:06there, which you call quantum, that heals the
- 54:09body and brings it back to its true setting, how
- 54:14it's supposed to function. But is it totally
- 54:18explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there
- 54:21results? Yes, the results are there. I think the
- 54:25science has to catch up with it. But I believe in
- 54:28the results. I don't care, you know, if there's
- 54:31results, then it counts to me.
- 54:35Meredith Oke: Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that
- 54:39that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a
- 54:43double blind study or not. It's that person has a
- 54:46changed life.
- 54:48Terra Martin: But there hasn't been one client that I've given
- 54:52them the information that they haven't benefited
- 54:54to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large
- 54:57degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And
- 55:03plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could
- 55:13talk for hours on that one, too.
- 55:15Meredith Oke: We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,
- 55:27approach to working with people, sort of. It's a
- 55:32combination of hypnosis plus other modalities
- 55:37you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,
- 55:40grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love
- 55:45this. And I'm just curious, when people come to
- 55:47you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people
- 55:53when they're trying to, you know, write copy for
- 55:57potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's
- 55:59like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're
- 56:03experiencing. So do people come in with, like,
- 56:06what are the most common things? Right, Like, I
- 56:08want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at
- 56:10my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they
- 56:13come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that
- 56:15happened to me?
- 56:17Terra Martin: They're never that direct. Generally, they come
- 56:21in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So
- 56:24then I know it's generally the father. They say,
- 56:27I am never afraid of anything, which means
- 56:30they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain
- 56:33common things that are stress. Like lately, you
- 56:36know, in the last five years, it's a lot of
- 56:38stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,
- 56:43people are still afraid of COVID and the
- 56:46aftermath of not having friends for two years. A
- 56:49whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far
- 56:51as emotional problems. But the average person now
- 56:56is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty
- 57:01cases, but I've tapered it down to more
- 57:03educational stuff. Now people who want to get
- 57:06educated on their stress and want to, you know,
- 57:09live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.
- 57:12It's a different kind of clientele I've had from
- 57:15the early days where I was kind of in a. In a
- 57:18medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,
- 57:21and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you
- 57:23know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.
- 57:25And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.
- 57:30Meredith Oke: What medical clinic? Like, what was that?
- 57:32Terra Martin: It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.
- 57:36Meredith Oke: Mm.
- 57:37Terra Martin: Yeah.
- 57:37Meredith Oke: So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it
- 57:40the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?
- 57:43Terra Martin: And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at
- 57:47the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the
- 57:50clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,
- 57:54and we would see what they gave us. And it was
- 57:58about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and
- 58:00we got everything that kind of they didn't want
- 58:03or they were done with. And so at the time, this
- 58:07was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,
- 58:11it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that
- 58:15time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,
- 58:17woo, woo.
- 58:18Meredith Oke: Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.
- 58:22Terra Martin: So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front
- 58:27office, which was all glass, and we would.
- 58:29Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the
- 58:31curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,
- 58:34in the closet, so to speak. And then we would
- 58:39work with them. And one lady came and she had a
- 58:42lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her
- 58:46husband had been a pain in the neck for many
- 58:48years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked
- 58:51with, you know, her breathing and her techniques
- 58:53and. And then after four weeks, the lump went
- 58:56flat because she was no longer angry. She went
- 58:59back to school, she made something of herself,
- 59:02and he fell back in love with her and was happy
- 59:05ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the
- 59:09scientific. How did that happen and what did we
- 59:14do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because
- 59:17she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we
- 59:21were left there going, you know, we said to her,
- 59:23if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're
- 59:26gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was
- 59:30a, A different time in a different place in the
- 59:3380s to do that sort of thing and get results and
- 59:36still be working in the medical profession. So we
- 59:39did it only for about a year because then we went
- 59:42into private practice. But it was a tough year
- 59:46because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it
- 59:50wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized
- 59:52as more just fluke or last resort.
- 59:55Meredith Oke: Right, right.
- 59:57Terra Martin: But it was a fabulous training ground to push us
- 1:00:00right into private practice, which is what we
- 1:00:02did. Right.
- 1:00:03Meredith Oke: Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm
- 1:00:06trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how
- 1:00:10did you do that?
- 1:00:11Terra Martin: Well, exactly.
- 1:00:15Meredith Oke: And you know, the thing that I find interesting
- 1:00:17is that the science is catching up. I think there
- 1:00:19probably is enough science to explain these types
- 1:00:22of things, but they still don't care. It's like,
- 1:00:26Right. We could show them a mountain of work on
- 1:00:32Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water
- 1:00:35and frequency and vibration and the energy
- 1:00:37bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,
- 1:00:41well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you
- 1:00:44didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a
- 1:00:47Reason, because their minds are just not going to
- 1:00:51accept.
- 1:00:52Terra Martin: Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I
- 1:00:55know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.
- 1:00:59Meredith Oke: Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,
- 1:01:02especially, you know, people from, from a more
- 1:01:05medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're
- 1:01:08a naturopath field, they're, they're very
- 1:01:13intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But
- 1:01:16people from your world are like, oh, of course,
- 1:01:21you're just putting words to it. There's just
- 1:01:23language to explain what's happening.
- 1:01:27Terra Martin: Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days
- 1:01:29wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we
- 1:01:33really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't
- 1:01:37have a peer group really because neither group
- 1:01:40wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure
- 1:01:42because we were getting results and the hooka
- 1:01:45boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka
- 1:01:47booga enough. We were more.
- 1:01:49Meredith Oke: You're not woo woo enough.
- 1:01:52Terra Martin: So we didn't make the grade either way.
- 1:01:56Meredith Oke: Well, I think it worked out because you seems to
- 1:01:59have developed just an incredible approach and
- 1:02:03techniques combining like a very. So many unique
- 1:02:08aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is
- 1:02:12the. The part where I ask you to share how people
- 1:02:16can find you. But.
- 1:02:20Terra Martin: I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.
- 1:02:22Meredith Oke: Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there
- 1:02:25is, there are no socials, there is no website.
- 1:02:29Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what
- 1:02:39to say. Is there any way you want, anything you
- 1:02:42want to say for people? If they want to work with
- 1:02:44you.
- 1:02:46Terra Martin: They can contact me and I can do it online. Like
- 1:02:49I can. Do you.
- 1:02:50Meredith Oke: Do you work virtually?
- 1:02:52Terra Martin: I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.
- 1:02:55They'd have to. I can give them an email.
- 1:02:57Meredith Oke: They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You
- 1:03:00can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a
- 1:03:02profile in the QVC free community.
- 1:03:05Terra Martin: Yep.
- 1:03:06Meredith Oke: So if you go to the QVC free community, which you
- 1:03:09can join through qbcpod.com just click free
- 1:03:13community and people listening. If you don't have
- 1:03:16an account, set one up. It's free and it's a
- 1:03:18great way to find people like Tara and all the
- 1:03:22other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if
- 1:03:24you go in there and you click in and you type in
- 1:03:27Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that
- 1:03:32will put your private. Your contact information
- 1:03:34in there.
- 1:03:35Terra Martin: Oh, I passed my boards.
- 1:03:37Meredith Oke: Oh, congratulations.
- 1:03:42Terra Martin: Yeah.
- 1:03:43Meredith Oke: Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology
- 1:03:46practitioner.
- 1:03:46Terra Martin: Absolutely. Yeah.
- 1:03:48Meredith Oke: This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to
- 1:03:51doing another interview with you down the road to
- 1:03:53hear hear how it's all coming together and what
- 1:03:56new insights you've had. Thank you so much.
- 1:03:59Terra Martin: Thank you.
- 1:04:00Meredith Oke: This was super fun.
- 1:04:01Terra Martin: Been a pleasure. Thank you.